 Good morning, good afternoon and good evening everybody. It's a real pleasure to see all of you. Some of you, it's the first time I'm meeting of course and I think everybody else I know. We've almost come to the end of our journey here and it's been quite an exciting one. Some of you have been in other sessions and I really look forward to hear your additional feedback this time. As you know, what we have been talking about all along is about unlocking digital ecosystem potential. By promoting entrepreneurship driven innovation. And without this we are not gonna have countries have the right digital innovation in unlocking communities opportunity. This session is about bringing together problem owners, solution owners and resource owners. I think you are all problem owners, solution owners and resource owners in your own right. One of the key issues that keep coming up during the whole session or the whole week was that you have a problem of collaboration, you have a problem of trust and you have a problem of action. So even if people understand they don't necessarily take the right action to be able to bring the whole ecosystem together. So our session format will be more of a rapid fire discussion. We tried this before it was more of a fireside chat. So Nicola be ready. It's gonna be more of a rapid fire this time. So I will be asking you three questions and then there will be a closing remark for each question you have about two minutes and hopefully you can do it in one minute and we can go on to the next speaker. The first one will be about what's your organization, who you are and what your organization does or contribute to the ecosystem. The second one is about what do you want from other stakeholders in this ecosystem because there is always a problem of understanding the other stakeholders and having enough empathy to actually be able to contribute to the right value. And the last question is will be about how can others access the resources that you have that may cost you nothing but that's really super valuable to other stakeholders in the ecosystem. And last but not least, I will ask for a 30 style Twitter. With that, I'd like to introduce our speakers, Norman Schruppel from GIZ, Dr. Bienvenue Soglot from Intel, Nicola Spirere from Digital Switzerland, Lorenzo Nyola from Haskell Lab, which is in Geneva, Kadija Hamucci from Jolly Hink and Sean Melville from Epsom Technology and Eric Dehir from AY and Kiru from the government of South Africa. Now I'd like to ask Norman for the first question I call Norman on the floor. Could you tell us a bit who you are and what your organization gave to this ecosystem? Norman, the floor is yours. Thank you. So I'm trying in a minute, but maybe two. Norman Schruppel, I'm director of digital transformation with GIZ. You can read the rest in my bio, but I can say I love my job because I have two mandates and this is basically support existing ecosystems and build new ones if necessary. That's a bit in my tact. At the moment, I'm doing this in Tunisia, but we do this kind of also with GIZ in the 120 offices we have all over the world. Now when I'm saying we support ecosystems, it's very much trying to find out the meteors in the startup ecosystem, but certainly in the tech ecosystem in general and try to find out what they need. And going away from the narratives and the stories that they often are taken up by donors and then implementing agencies and going to what's more impactful or certainly impactful. And very often it's not a tech question that we actually need to deal with. It's more like how tech becomes suitable to the clients, be it in the public sector but also in the private sector. Now the second is building ecosystems and this is more when there is none. And that might be surprising, sound surprising to some, but it's not so much if you actually look into the very particular field. So in Tunisia, if you want to example, we have a program that supports in particular industries, manufacturing industries. Now manufacturing industries are not having their own innovation program. So our role is actually try to connect tech providers with those that can be potentially clients. A company that is doing galvanization of parts in the automobile is a very particular client. So in this case, we're trying to connect and build new ecosystem and industry for concern. And I'm elaborating this in my other question, thanks. Thank you, Norman. And I really appreciate the work you're doing in Tunisia and other parts of the world. I think this is why we really wanted you on this panel. I'd like to turn to Dr. Bienvenu Soglo from Intel and I'm biased towards Intel because I worked for Intel for 12 years. So Dr. Soglo, the floor is yours. Thank you very much. Same question, thank you. Thank you very much, Moderita, please can you hear me? Yes, we can. Great, good afternoon, good morning, good evening wherever you are. My name is Bienvenu Soglo and I am the government and policy director for Africa at Intel Corporation. It's a great pleasure for me to be part of this distinguished panel. But first of all, I would like to talk about Intel's purpose. So at Intel, our purpose is to create word-changing technology that enriches the lives of every person on Earth. And so our aspirations comes from more slow and that allows us to continuously work to advance the design and manufacturing of semiconductors to help address our customers' challenge. Now, when we look towards the coming 10 years and we also look at the opportunities that are there for us to use our technology to unleash the power of data but also to drive increased value creation and social impact. Intel have launched what we call our new rise strategy and 2030 goals. So what is it about? Through this strategy, Intel is looking at first, revolutionizing how technology will improve, for example, healthcare and safety. The second aspect is we're looking at is that we're looking at making technology fully inclusive and expand digital readiness. And thirdly, we're also looking at sustainability, which is looking at how we could achieve carbon neutral computing to address climate change. All of these three aspects actually enable through our technology and the expertise and passion of our employees. So what I want to talk about here is about, the importance of the digital infrastructure, especially in the COVID environment that we are here now. Now talking about a concrete example as we're looking at how to make technology fully inclusive and expand digital readiness, we have what we call our Intel AI for Youth program. And with this program, we're looking at partnering with 30 governments and 30,000 institutions worldwide to empower more than 30 million people, including entrepreneurs with AI skills training for current and future jobs. So I'll stop here for now and then continue later on. Thank you very much. Thank you, Access Logo. I think when I left Intel, if your job was there, I would probably love to have been in that position to actually drive these sort of things on the continent. And we'll look forward to hear from this AI for you, especially within the context of the project we're doing in South Africa and other parts of the world. I'll now turn to Nicholas from Digital Switzerland. Digital Switzerland is an organization we have been following and actually trying to promote in other countries. Nicholas, the floor is yours. Thank you, Mohan Ben-Hais, everyone. You know, Switzerland is a tiny place, we're just a small country, but at the end of the day, we are hub. And we believe innovation in the futures, of course will happen worldwide, but will happen hub-wise. So you will have some small ecosystems, hubs defining strong competences in some topics, et cetera. This is what we believe with Digital Switzerland. We want to develop the country as one place and not several places, but only one place developing some skills. For example, in decentralized technologies, in robotic, in tech for good, et cetera. And we do that while we take all the many stakeholders together, we mobilize forces, if I may say like that, from the government, the administrations, the startup world, the corporations, the NPOs, the NGOs, et cetera. And by bringing all these people together, we create ecosystems and we really try to develop it. In order at the end of the day, it's about having jobs. In the country, it's about having a prosperous economy and innovating, in order to have a happier society, if I must say, and last but not least, always doing it for good. Thank you very much. Thank you, Nicolas. And then we do really like the fact that you talk about focusing on the problems and actually gathering the stakeholders to really come together around specific problems to get your ecosystem going. I would like to turn to Lorenzo. Lorenzo, you're a next door neighbor to me. What can you tell us about HatchCo Live and what you do? Sure, hi everyone. It's a pleasure to be here. So at HatchCo Live, we empower entrepreneurs to build impact-checked ventures that can solve the most challenging problem of the world and drive social change. We are driven by our desire to be a positive force in the world. And we truly believe in a future where impact ventures are considered essential to foster a quality, better humanity, and a sustainable world. We have a program for entrepreneurs. We have a global reach with ventures that are really using technology for good coming from more than four continents. We are the third program that just started this month. And we have a lot of partners working with more than 200 partners worldwide including different stakeholders to really connect the dots within the entrepreneurial ecosystem. So different partners such as UN agencies and foundations and the corporations and impact investors. So we're also part of the Geneva 2030 ecosystem. That is so important to really catalyze and foster more equality, inclusion, and sustainable change in several ecosystems. Thank you, Lorenzo. I do look forward to working with you in the future. Now for our only panel, that is a woman. And Khadija, I know you're gonna light them up. So I turn the floor to you. Khadija is a remarkable entrepreneur and ecosystem builder and everything you actually want in the community. Khadija, the floor is yours. Thank you so much for putting so much pressure on me right now. I'm glad that I'm the only female voice in here. But I'm sure a lot of you are feminists in the panel. My name is Khadija. I was born and I grew up in Belgium. I am originally from Morocco. Today, I work as an entrepreneur but also an international consultant. What I actually like to do beyond building products is to actually share experiences vulnerably because I think in the ecosystem, we really lack sharing each other's challenges in a vulnerable way, in a very honest way, in a way that is not glossy and that is so far from magazines or what entrepreneur.com is teaching you about entrepreneurship and innovation. So today, the way I do it is basically by, so leading by example, and I am someone who does not, who shares oftentimes how I feel, but also how I succeeded and the lessons that I have learned. Today, what do I need from the ecosystem is definitely on that personal level, other people to do the same because first of all, it feels less lonely. That's number one. And then number two, you feel like, okay, you just feel less like a fool sometimes of yourself. And today, how I'd like my contributions to the ecosystem to be done. So I work as an international consultant and I'm usually, I do write a lot of research and I like when other people actually read it and give me feedback and share it with their own ecosystems. But I think as an entrepreneur, I would like those, the stories that I tell about myself and the lessons that I tell that I have learned to be used by other entrepreneurs as a way to less sabotage themselves, to feel less guilty of whatever things that they have done out of sometimes just lack of experience. Voila, voila. Well, thank you. We'll come back to you. I think you started answering the second question but we'll come back to you with another question which is gonna be more specific about the current work you're doing and what you're finding out in countries. Sean, Flo is yours. Hi everyone. My name is Sean Melville and I'm from Trinidad, Tobago. I'm the managing director of Ipsum Technologies and the work that we're doing is really focused on helping persons with disabilities get access to technology. In the world that we live in, a lot of it is becoming more digital and there's a large segment of the population, in fact, one billion people that are quickly gonna be left behind. And so what we're doing is we're looking at what technologies are available and then making an assessment as to how we can help to make these technologies accessible to them. So for instance, the websites, the mobile apps and of course the assistive technologies that these persons use. How can we ensure that there's access to all of these things? So that's the main essence of what we do. The ecosystem in Trinidad, Tobago is quite challenging, I must say. And so one of the things that we look for is really partnership. If it is that we're able to get access to resources or go to market partners, we are able to better reach to persons that we are looking to serve. And so we've done it in such a way where we have small businesses that we provide support to in terms of website building, mobile applications. But we also do work with the community of persons with disabilities, true workshops, specifically focusing on learning assistive technologies for those who don't or do not have access to it as well as in terms of upskilling. So for instance, there's a group of persons who may have disabilities and they want to be able to create their own technologies. How can you train them to learn how to build an application? Or how can you ensure that they are using the technologies that are available to everyone else to be able to do the same thing and to be able to access those type of job opportunities? So that's the main aspect of what we do. And then in terms of the final thing I would say is accessing resources is key, right? Access to resources, access to partnerships would be some of the main things that we can really utilize if it is that we have to be able to expand our reach and our focus has been mainly on Trinidad and Tobago but we've been able to get access to support internationally. So what we really need now is to be able to take these systems that we've tested, these different products and services that we've developed and scale them to reach a larger audience. Thank you, Sean. It's remarkable that you are both an entrepreneur but you're also an ecosystem builder and I think what most entrepreneurs miss is that they don't know how to do partnership in the ecosystem and in the process actually to be ecosystem builders because you will have to build an ecosystem around your innovation or your product and services to be sustainable. I'll come back to you. I think you started touching on what type of resources you want which is resources and partnership, very specific in your case. I'd like now to turn to Eric. Eric, the floor is yours. Yes, hi everyone. I hope you can hear me and a big thank you for having me on this panel in such a great international entrepreneurial audience. I'm a partner at EY based in Amsterdam, the Netherlands very shitty weather if I may say so at the moment and my focus is on entrepreneurs and helping them grow and helping them realize their innovations which is mostly impact driven innovations and we do this with a network of startup ecosystems across the globe where EY is present. We are a global firm to have a lot of reach and my ambition is to help Dutch based and Dutch born innovations to reach their potential through the international network we can offer and help international great ideas and innovations to be launched into Europe through the network we have. So ecosystem is very important in both these ambitions. Thank you Eric. I think it's interesting you brought out this aspect of network and actually connecting your network to other network because this is how we still a lot of the time if you don't have the resources you can get access through other resources or other networks. I'll come back to you on this and probably when we start thinking about how could people tap into your network or how do we connect them, right? Because that's one of the objectives we have is to help build them, connect them and make sure that they're getting beneficial interest on both sides. I'd like now to turn to our last panelist of the day, Kiru. Kiru Pillai is from the government of South Africa and we've actually started a project in South Africa. Nicholas, you'll be happy to know which is similar to trying to replicate some similar elements of digital South Africa into something we'll call a digital acceleration transformation center. Very long complex but it's going to be pushing something called brand digital South Africa. Kiru, the floor is yours. Thanks, Mo. Hello, everybody. So my name is Kiru Pillai. I'm a chief director at the South African department of communications and digital technologies. The department itself has a fairly broad mandate. It includes the mandate but it also includes the mandate for four-hour emerging technologies and digitization across government. Mandate must be seen in conjunction with other initiatives that we run in within the department and one is trying to define the digital economy by what we call the digital economy master plan and the DTC, the digital transformation center that Mo is referring to is actually a legacy project that emerged from Africa's hosting of ITU or South Africa's hosting of ITU in 2018 and it is seen very much as an operational arm of these digitization projects across government. So what we are talking about, we are talking about interrogating the various innovation ecosystems, the technology ecosystem, the entrepreneurial ecosystem which on their own are robust, mature, well-funded, often legislated but that's when you consider them in isolation but when you consider them holistically then you see the structural and systemic issues that make them operate in silos rather than holistically and that's what the digital transformation center is trying to mitigate that kind of side of approach to innovation and entrepreneurship. Thank you Kiru, I think we will hopefully learn a lot from these panels that we can apply to your DTC. I would like now to go back to Norman and I mean you're doing all these things Norman and I really like the work GISA is doing especially across Africa that I know. But what do you need from this ecosystem because you have funding, sometimes you have some ideas but what do you need from other stakeholders in the ecosystem? Can you elaborate a bit more on this question? Certainly and it might sound a bit of a critique and it should certainly up to discussion. I like what Nicolas was saying earlier, we do all this because we want to achieve something and sometimes we forget what we want to achieve so GISA is certainly nobody who wants to invest in equity or doing business when they're supporting startup ecosystem but they want to support because they want to and that's the question actually, create jobs, produce local innovations, connect companies but also a different stakeholders like the public sector to do with each other and I think we cannot forget that this goal is basically first of all what we need to achieve and then everything else comes. What we need from the ecosystem to do that I might have three or four points on that one is kind of collaboration for some weird reasons and the donor community is part of it there's a lot of things that duplicate in the ecosystem and I think we don't want to have that we want to have more like working together even this sometimes means leaving your own stuff and certainly competitiveness itself is very important but not duplication when it doesn't make sense the second thing I think would be don't do the same thing like everybody else is doing so the narrative of ecosystem comes from very much the Silicon Valley so the idea is there's somebody in its garage and you know it's building its idea and then turns it into a business and becomes a billionaire very quickly and in African context it's not happening it's very very different there's different stakeholders you build your product differently so don't do that do it differently and this is where you have to engage maybe it was a totally different group like also your clients and I'm saying this because I see very often innovation for the health system it's not just copying something that elsewhere happened to work it is really knowing your client and knowing the health system and then trying to build your product for this and then my two minutes over but I have a third point very quickly and this would be ambitious in a sense but not from a narrative itself but from where you want to go and I think that you have a lot of stakeholders and the intermediaries in the ecosystem that build a beautiful story and this is very very quickly told but then in every business and in every project there is this period where you go down and where it's becoming very hard and it will always happen so it's actually going through that and not stopping where the narrative stops and I think it's ambitious or having the path to actually go where you need to go to build something meaningful is very very important so nothing will be built in a month or two or five or six thank you well thank you Norman I think in one of the previous panels somebody was talking about 40 years to build the Israeli ecosystem but you know we have Dr. Soglo here and I'm sure he can tell us if we can apply Moore's law to ecosystems ecosystems or not but that's actually a nice segue for you Dr. Soglo can you tell us how can what do you need from this ecosystem because you have a lot of programs are they finding their way what do you need from government from different stakeholders of the ecosystem and even from entrepreneurs themselves because we don't want to think of what you're doing as corporate social responsibility we want to really see them as corporate social opportunity which benefits both sides the floor is yours thank you very much moderator actually in fact the very fact that you are able to have this session today shows that access to digital infrastructure especially high speed and high quality broadband is crucial for example this could be true fiber this could be true 4G 5G this could be true Wi-Fi but also we have the challenge of connecting the unconnected in communities so all of these are crucial for the short and long term kind of progress of the small and medium enterprises but also for the startups as he told we work with many stakeholders including government worldwide including standard organizations including telecom operators enterprises and the ecosystem at large and therefore when we look from the policy perspective we believe that there's a need for policymakers and regulators number one to actually look at the existing nationalized city policy or strategy and review them in order to incorporate the need to address this challenge of access to high speed and high quality broadband to connect communities the second aspect is the regulations that are in place there's a need to modernize those regulations to adapt to new technology development that can help this access to broadband but also have some regulation that will facilitate the deployment of those technologies for example site acquisition for example write of ways such as technology neutrality etc that would allow stakeholders in the ecosystem to deploy new technologies now to do that you need access to spectrum access to diverse type of spectrum for example license spectrum in low-band, mid-band and high-band as well as license exam spectrum having said that it is important to integrate ICT in education for the innovation and skill of young generation and entrepreneurs for example Korea is a good example whereby the integration of ICT in education actually help the development of the country so I will stop there thank you very much I think those are all interesting points and we know that all these technologies are combining much faster than any policy maker can actually do anything about and in that sense we really need to think of new ways to do policy I'm gonna skip some of our speakers and I'll come back to them to go to Kiru who is from the government side and actually on the policy side Kiru I mean you heard what Dr. Soglo is saying and you also here on your side I know you're doing a lot to try to actually adapt to this fourth industrial revolution can you tell us what you need yourself from the ecosystem and how would you respond to what Dr. Ben-Bernie is saying here so thanks I think I mentioned earlier when I spoke that these ecosystems there's a structural deficit in them to the extent that a regularity and a policy intervention is sometimes required so the mere fact of being able to operationalize innovation across these ecosystems may not be enough they may just be outliers what you actually may need to do is some kind of policy intervention because the challenges are historical the developmental challenges that we have and what we're trying to do we're trying to foster innovation at scale in order to address these challenges and we want to strengthen the coordination between these ecosystems we want to build synergies between them we want to leverage relationships and agreements with regional and international partners and we want to develop a meaningful framework for development of bankable projects so that's what I think is my response would be to the good doctor Thank you Kiri and I think I just add to this that in the DTC for example there is going to be a policy agility component which will be provided and offered to the ecosystem as a place where there will be like a sandbox where we can have those policy discussions and now I want to go back to Nicholas Nicholas I think you're doing a lot of policy advocacy you have stakeholders from both public and private from city leaders into this digital Switzerland what do you need from this ecosystem and that you may not be getting or even if you're getting it like what do you need right now maybe even better maybe it's connecting digital Switzerland with our ecosystem maybe your focus is just digital Switzerland today Nicholas the floor is Thanks for the question No I believe we should not be nets on the list somewhere it's not the solution the world is big enough and one of the solution is definitely we've heard already very good points so you need a political framework which is rather liberal between investments that's one of them we need lots of patience I believe it takes one to two generations up to 40 years to develop a very strong ecosystem it's not we all want to do it in two three years it's impossible it takes a lot of time it needs it is public and private sector really working together maybe after the last question I bring one anecdote about it and we need alliances in the world totally agree it's not about doing it on your own you will fail against the two big ones we need alliances in the world I totally agree on this one and maybe the last one each ecosystem you know like a point we say here can it be digital everything it's impossible we won't be silicon valley tomorrow and even silicon valley is not digital everything so rather fine one two three topics you really want to own and be one of the leader in the world this is our opinion about what we expect and what we want to give to the ecosystem well I'm very happy to see perhaps we can find ways to bring you to South Africa so you can bring some best practices in South Africa and other projects as well I want to turn back to Lorenzo how do you see this topic what do you need to actually become this ecosystem so you you're putting up all this framework you're trying to foster all of this innovation what do you need that you don't have today as an ecosystem builder yes so thanks for the question I think that the main thing that we give to entrepreneurs what they need for scaling is two folds or is access to market or is access to capital very clear in this way what we're doing is to really build up meaningful relationships within different ecosystem to support entrepreneurs that are growing this may be through partnerships through procurement through investment so different activities that that can enable entrepreneurs to really move forward and reach new milestones so what we need from the ecosystem is really open doors opportunities for entrepreneurs that are tackling different challenges from climate change health education social inclusion so these are not the classic entrepreneurs that are coming that are using technology for profit they have a strong purpose beyond profit so these mission driven companies are totally different and that's why it's important to build meaningful relationship that can support and enable enable also fair relationship and meaningful opportunities thank you Lorenzo I think those are interesting point because you really need the partnership now if you're talking about doing this global you need them in different countries and I like to turn to Eric because he said they're building a network and this network could be perhaps a connection for you or perhaps we can understand from Eric how they do this and then what does Eric need from the ecosystem Eric the floor is yours yeah thank you and Lorenzo I fully underline what you're saying is many of the social environmental and other main issues in the world will be challenged solved by entrepreneurs and it's these mission driven entrepreneurs that I see coming up more and more and that need a launchpad into reaching maturity reaching their goals, reaching full impact and I think what they need is to be elevated above their own local birthplace and region where they start testing their product or mission driven services and this elevation can be done digitally and it should be globally and this is I think both what UI and our startup and tech ecosystem tries to offer which is our global reach but also what we see as a challenge that how do you elevate really good innovative impactful ideas to global level or to the places where they can thrive and take the next step so this is both still the ask I think we need to all think of how we can connect more on a digital level and more on a global level both an offering to you and to the people in your networks that if you feel there might be a way UI can help them with our reach please let me know thank you Eric I think it goes back to the point that was made earlier from Norman all these duplications all these things I mean can we find a way to really create a longer network and bond between all these different ecosystem and all these players like yourself you did raise an interesting point and you actually had a lot of empathy for our entrepreneurs right will turn to our entrepreneurs soon when you say they need to be elevated beyond their birthplace so they can test their ideas etc I want to go back to Khadija Khadija how do you respond to this and what do you really need you got to say do you want more Khadija's right everybody to think like Khadija actually I think this is your slogan and that's a great slogan right so how can we have more Khadija's in the world perhaps Khadija the floor is yours so first of all Marie I did not say we needed more Khadija I think you said it so let's start with well I hacked it space here when you when you said we need to go beyond our birthplace I myself as an entrepreneur I'm actually someone who went beyond her birthplace because I was born and I grew up in Belgium the Arabic speaking world where today I am leading Joula Joula is a content management software for right to left languages it allows bloggers independent journalists and writers to publish on the web in Arabic Urdu, Farsi and Hebrew which are all languages that are starting from right to left and that also allow those to provide a great reading experience for audiences that are I would say non-Latin scripted and so for me coming to the Arab world a world where I did not grow up that I do not know of course of which I understand the language was an opportunity for me to both locally understand the culture and to come up with my I'd say western education now entrepreneurs like me what they need from the ecosystem is definitely more money spent on ideas there is a there is a belief in entrepreneurship that you do not need much to be able to create a product interestingly enough in our team we are three women and we each have a component of our startup so basically there is one on UX one on coding and one on business but even then we need money to pay for certain services and so far okay as a team we managed to raise 60,000 from the google news initiative but to fundraise a further bit such as 25,000 that we need now it is very very difficult to find those seeds and pre-seed funding even for such little amount of money because of the the loss that was caused in the past because of the money that was thrown out because of COVID-19 because the money has now shifted people want to find solutions to vaccination and to whatever digital health basically it is a health tech but not other problems that is number one. Number two there is also the language component that we do not speak as much of which is once we want to grow products globally we sometimes forget that those products reaches audiences of whose language is completely different and also whose culture is completely different in either using a software or even subscribing to a software there are so many challenges falling along the line of financial technologies for example today we want to sell our product and we are thinking which payment gateway are we going to put that is going to accept the payments from Tunisia Morocco Iraq where many of those young people do not have access to online banking let alone a bank account so what I love about all of the topics that you have been mentioning here is how much they are all very general but how much they actually speak of very little topics and I can speak about public policies of young people in the Arab world actually taking place and deciding for those public policies youth led initiatives in the Arab world are not taken seriously and they are not included in public policies so I suppose what I need is more courageous conversations on the details of those bigger topics okay I think you did unpack a lot for us starting from the topic of it's a shame we're all speaking English now not another language and that we don't have translation for this so this we can arrange for that it's not an issue but you did mention monetary component which is real hard seed money that needs to come but also a lot about non-monetary which was brought out by other people on this panel from EY to Intel because those are all really valuable non-monetary resources that you need policy we touch on a little bit so we'll come back to this but Sean I mean you you've been trying this you actually need a lot as well I recall you said you needed simple things as you need a lawyer can you tell us more about what you need Sean excellent and could other people help you with this and I'm just speaking to the other stakeholders here because it's not just about giving money it's about finding other resources right and and I will come back to Eric later to say if they're doing anything along those lines in his network go ahead Sean so what I would say is the greatest need in my ecosystem is a shared vision for the future we have a lot of stakeholders involved in providing incubation and providing policies et cetera but there's no shared vision as to what exactly we want to accomplish and in the absence of that what you find is that you may have different initiatives but they all diffuse each other and so it just leads to no particular outcome which you really need to have a clear and coordinated strategy and vision if it is that you're going to actually accomplish a specific objective and so I say that that is a key thing now the other thing I believe and Khadija touched on it is that of I would call it inclusion you need to get different perspectives different voices contributing to what the shared vision is right and these visions then translate into policy it translates into allocating finance it translates into who supports what particular initiative or what particular idea that an entrepreneur or group of entrepreneurs will be working on so if we are to succeed together and in order for me being part of this ecosystem whether it's in Trinidad, Tobago or the Caribbean or I would say the world we need to have a shared vision we need to have initiatives that collaborate and coordinate with each other and we need to be able to test these different ideas and tap into support that we wouldn't necessarily get if everyone is you know and I learn to their own self right where everyone is just saying okay I'm doing this and I don't have to talk to anybody else because I am I can succeed on my own and I think we really need to change that narrative that an entrepreneur is someone who is able to just just do it just get out there you know grind until it gets done that's not going to happen for the majority of entrepreneurs and so if we really going to build a system an ecosystem that works for the majority we need to understand what works for entrepreneurs how to support them in terms of with the market strategies partnerships access to knowledge and information sharing is critical right but again it all starts with that shared vision well I think that's quite interesting because this is going to bring us full circle to collaboration to how do we unlock it seems like it's a chicken and egg game right it's a you have to put something before so if we have to put anything you need to have that bigger vision from what I understand well first you need to have that vision that everybody agrees to because I agree with you with many of the studies that we do in countries we see that there is a lot of resources often if you ask entrepreneurs they will say it's about money but in reality there is enough money to get the ecosystem going it's just that all resources not money but resources come in different form that needs to have all the stakeholders coming up with some kind of shared vision and that vision needs to be big because honestly when I look at many countries what we hear is when they say what's your digital transformation strategy they only talk about the government but in reality it has to include everything you know because that's how the starting point Norman I want to go back to you on the response to this in your digital transformation strategy at GIZ are you looking into fostering this sort of shared vision across the board because that seems to be a real unlocking block and if you could respond to this in less than one minute because we're running out of time the short answer might be yes okay one is good to know let me quickly say how we try to do that so we build so called digital transformation centers in different African countries the biggest one is in Tunisia but there is one in Rwanda already it's trying to concentrate a little bit kind of different part of the ecosystem to unpack exactly this the policy dimension but also the tech dimension and others and way quickly how do we access your resources that would be one right exactly this is where we try to build programs actually that are very direct with funding or finances directly be available or we actually have identified a gap as I said earlier the public sector of this for example startup ecosystems it doesn't need really money in itself it needs intelligence so there we build rather than a program that brings that together so yeah we'll be trying to understand what it's needed and sometimes I'm more kind of in the if directly approach but sometimes it's also not a matter of money but more kind of unpacking the different dimension that brings something into life okay well thank you very much for that now Dr. Bienvenu can you tell us how we can actually utilize this or access some of the resources great resources that Intel is providing today ecosystem 30 seconds if possible thank you very much 30 seconds pretty short but I would like to say that from our technology from a digital perspective we powered the digital infrastructure worldwide from the edge to the data center and the cloud and globally we support different global and regional initiatives and share our technical and global policy expertise now we are also an active contributor to the development of digital economy policy worldwide whereby we advocate for for example for imaging technologies if I will give that example one other thing I would like to mention is our Intel AI for youth program that I talk about which has the goal to empower the youth and entrepreneurs with AI skills in an inclusive way so I will stop there since it's 30 seconds I think we all will fail the test of our storytellers from earlier in the week but that's okay Nicholas do we work with you and access the resources or the knowledge you have on digital Switzerland to build and connect this global community Mr. Mohamed do I have 30 or 20 seconds you have 30 seconds 30 cool it's not every time a bit less no no just kidding I will make it short at the end of the day it's all about alliances you know so let's look for strategic topics I repeat myself a bit let's look for some topics where we can join forces public private together to establish ecosystem with one focus it doesn't matter which one but with one focus that's the first one and the second one I believe and it will be amplifying the next years a lot it should be all for sustainability we should not forget this one thank you I do look forward to seeing you in South Africa so just whenever COVID is happening or not happening but thank you again I think those are very important points Lorenzo how can we access and work with Hatch CoLab so our contribution is totally observable thanks to the positive impact that our impact entrepreneurs are having on the planet and the society this means helping kids students protecting and giving loans to more small-haul farmers so there are several ways where we see concrete and positive impact and it's observable over there closing the financial inclusion gap social inclusion one a lot of education and climate change so for example great solution that are supporting so there are several ways but again similar to what Norman Nicolas and I have been sharing before also from DotaBnB it's about connecting the dots within the ecosystem with players that can really make a difference okay so we do look forward for you to let us know how we connect those dots and hopefully on your 30 second Twitter style you will tell us that Eric you are doing a lot for the ecosystem in various ecosystem how can we work with EY to scale and amplify this work yeah what I and my team in the Netherlands try to do is help individual companies, entrepreneurs with the network we have and the knowledge we have and the understanding we have of how to grow their idea something that makes impact and I know a lot of the colleagues around the globe that are tied to young entrepreneurs to ecosystem do the same so I'd like to be the bridge for this network I know for to see if there's any need in any country to have a connection to someone from EY that has a passion for helping this entrepreneurs with these ideas to see if we can help them out so yeah again I think that's what I can offer I think that's a great how for us moving forward Kiro what about you how can we work with you and the department so thanks most I think as the DTC the digital transformation center becomes operationalized and matures I reckon there'll be lessons learned on how we address issues which I think we very happy to then see if those lessons learned can be transported and translated into other countries that's for one and just to say that you know in spite of what I've said we have over 100 publicly funded innovation tech hubs and incubators in the country we have a university system that's very very mature so there's a lot of research going on we have national research councils a lot of vocational stuff and the DTC is just meant to bring all of that together and I reckon there will be lessons learned as we mature that we can we can then cooperate and coordinate with our colleagues yeah well I think that's a great great example hopefully but hopefully we can get other people to help you build this DTC as well or to contribute Khadija oh yeah okay I'm not muted how can we how can we think like Khadija you don't have to think like me please the world would be so boring well then tell us how can we think and help entrepreneurs and you know learn from all of these learnings you have in terms of the Arabic content the translation the problem of of actually this content problem which is real in many many countries not just the Arabic world I think in the French speaking world we can do that as well as you know so first start with how can you help entrepreneurs we entrepreneurs need sometimes a second brain and a brain that is able to look critically at our business model and ask us the questions that we should be asking ourselves that's number one and in all pieces I think it's not about not knowing it's about us keep continuing learning but it's also us saying okay I think that's the question that I should have asked myself is this the right question for me to ask myself right now does it need to be solved right now and what do I need to keep in mind now in terms of content access definitely Arabic is not the only language lacking content there's a huge digital divide between English and other languages French is one of them there's more than 100 million French speakers in the world and the web is only 14% in French it says a lot about Chinese it's the same as other Hebrew Arabic, Persian order it's about who has access to the internet who contributes to it and you can see through the language digital divide you can see who actually owns the web so if I may rephrase then what you ask or your sort of need would be that less mainstream more of the content of the internet to other languages localize everything localize everything okay we'll take that as your 10 second Twitter feed and we're going to go to Sean because now you're just going to give us your 10 second Twitter feed which we'll cover the previous question as well digital inclusion for better world inclusion is really important and so if we are to actually be able to build a strong ecosystem and to be put with all of these different key stakeholders especially entrepreneurs you need to include their voices if you don't then we're going to constantly be in this struggle and I would say always remember that you came you were all children at one point in time and now we have grown and to remember the past, remember the childhood remember us as entrepreneurs are going to inherit your voices in terms of what is in policy in business etc and there's going to be a generation that's going to follow so including our voices is key so I guess that's enough for our 10 seconds Norman 10 seconds your take away looking forward to collaborate I think we have so much more to talk about and connect to each other thank you Dr Bienvenu thank you very much moderator number one we have to look at accelerated access to digital infrastructure especially access to high speed and high quality broadband secondly important to integrate ICT in education for innovation and thirdly the need for policy makers and regulators to work with stakeholders to modernize the existing regulations thank you I love that this whole grassroots thinking about really getting things done is really super important that's what we're missing Nicholas 10 seconds it's all about the political framework allow what you say Dr Bienvenu it's all about talent, education collaborating together and don't forget digital is only the mean to purpose technology is only an enabler indeed Lorenzo 10 seconds yes again technology for good is what really can drive sustainable change and it's more needed now than ever excellent Eric well thank you all for really inspiring thoughts I would say let's find ways together to help great new ideas grow from local to global as fast as we can so we are going to apply Moore's law for that I'm a big fan of Moore's law I think if you had applied Moore's law to ecosystem development we're not going to wait 40 years right and so and I think we really need to do this I do understand the idea of waiting for 40 years because actually two generation is the limiting factor but I think we have to find a way to democratize access to innovation a bit faster than that Kiro you have the last 10 seconds more so I think my message would be let's innovate at scale to meet our developmental challenges and just look at structurally altering the system in order to do that excellent well I think that concludes our hopefully great debates and we can have great sound but I do really look forward to working all of you and to welcome you back in this community in the future with that I want to thank all of our panelists and of course the team working behind to make all of this happen I mean they've been working miracles and we will have our closing session I think at 3.20 if you guys want to follow that part but you're more than welcome but I do want to thank everybody and with that is call the session close thank you very much everybody