 Let's say you win your primary. You're elected to Congress and you are able to craft legislation That's perfect that will get passed. What would that look like in your opinion because I think that people are branching out Liberals at least some liberals are trying to run away from that instinct to just opt for incremental reform That's clearly failed incrementalism. I think isn't going to suffice this time So we're talking about defund the police. We're even entertaining abolitionist arguments But for you legislatively speaking, how do you root out racism from the institutions that it's embedded in? Is it is it able to be reformed like what do you what do we do in terms of like a policy approach to this because it's such a huge Thing I don't know where to begin Okay, so let's unpack a few things that you said there. So we talk about individuals and being racist I don't think individuals can be racist and I'll tell you why Everybody has a prejudice we prejudice just means to pre-judge You have a prejudice when you walk into a buffet and you look to see which food you're gonna get because it looks good Or that looks bad. That's a pre-judge racism is a system and Racism is like I said when I say when I say it's a system. I mean it controls masses So when we talk about racism in America, I'm not talking about, you know The the the Kathy that calls the police or the Karen that doesn't want the black person to barbecue That's them being prejudiced and ignorant But the racism comes in through the fact that she can call a police system that she knows will do something or have Adverse effect on a black person. That's the system that we need to deal with Everybody has prejudice people can be taught and learn to get rid of prejudice But racism as a system has to be dismantled. You can't reform racism because police have body cameras now They're still beating people. They're still killing people that they're gassing protesters peaceful protesters on the damn news So a camera is not the way you can't retrain them because the system is set up Policing in this country literally stemmed out of slave catchers who would go and capture escape slaves and bring them back So the entire system is corrupt if I could craft a perfect piece of legislation I don't think there is such thing as a perfect piece of legislation because Legislation has to evolve with the times of the day, but if I could craft some legislation right now We need to demilitarize our police, you know Police officers are using the same exact equipment that I use when I was in Afghanistan in Iraq Like literally this I could get inside one of those big-ass Upharmored vehicles flip all the switches turn it on and move it because I've driven it a million times They're using the same vehicles in Iraq. Not only that they have qualified immunity which allows them Just imagine this my wife is a teacher. She in New York City You get a teaching certificate a license to teach Do you think she would be able to be on the job if she had 10 complaints of? Misconduct or 10 complaints of abusing a child no lawyer could have you know 20 years worth of Contempt citations against them they would be disbarred she would lose her license to teach no police officer Who is a public servant what should be able to allow to commit acts of violence against people and be showed it because of this? Silly-ass law on the book. So we need to end qualified immunity. We need to demilitarize that police We need we need to end broken windows policing and communities of color a lot of folks like to say well Communities have more crimes. They have more crime because they have more police if all you have is a hammer Everything looks like a nail the police officers have to be justified some way so they arrest people to justify their existence It's a never-ending cycle that Reformation is not going to change. It has to be Dismantled so there's not one perfect piece of legislation But there are things that we can craft and put into bills We need to tackle this stuff now like right now New York City just passed an anti-chokehold bill That's the problem that you have to pass a bill to tell an institution not to choke people to death That's that's a summation of the problems in the fact that you have to pass an anti-chokehold bill How about we we reduce the number of police so we don't so and that money can go to mental health services That money can go to the diversionary programs that money can go to the outpatient programs That money can go to mental health services so we're not using our police officers and police force as you know a End-all to all these other social things that we should be doing we're not using our jails in lieu of mental health facilities We're not using police officers as immigration officers all these other things and we talk about police We don't just have to think about you know 9-1-1 NYPD. We have to also talk about the Department of Homeland Security We have to talk about ice and immigration's customs and customs enforcement We have to talk about all these other Pseudo quasi police agencies that the state the government has to police people in all forms and fashions So we don't just need to look at NYPD We look at all of this damn stuff with the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act and all these things Yeah, and I'm glad that you said that because I feel like if you just try to reform the existing police as It is you're not really getting to the root of the problem because it doesn't Address the underlying issue that our response as a society has collectively been just to throw more police at whatever the situation is So rather than addressing the homeless crisis with housing. We just throw more police on it We you know criminalized homelessness. So it's like we've had this one default setting to where oh, there's crime There's these issues x y and z well that just means we increase our police budgets even further We throw more police at it and I think that people are starting to wake up and realize This isn't like it's not acceptable to have a one-size-fits-all solution to all of a city's problems. That doesn't make sense Right, like we we have to be nuanced We have to acknowledge the fact that mental health care requires or mental health crises require mental health care You know, um, it doesn't require police officers domestic violence isn't something that you can solve with policing These are these are issues that are complex And so I'm glad that we're actually talking about going beyond reform It is a little bit frustrating that you know, you see democrats such as joe biden jim clyburn Try to co-op the language say, you know, I don't support to fund the police But I want to reimagine the police that can mean anything and it's not necessarily I mean it might be reimagined to even what maybe his reimagination has given them more money and more power Joe Biden did give us the crack though. So I don't trust Joe Biden on policing