 Yeah, let's actually start off exactly where we initially began before we started recording because I feel like that's such a perfect entry point, which is that you called it a paradigm less natural state that most recently you felt. And will you elaborate on that for us. Yeah, up until August of 2021. I had some sort of like, okay I was enlightened right. I considered myself enlightened and I knew that the self that I considered enlightened was not real you know that it's just a thing you say you're describing this experience by saying you know I'm enlightened. This experience is an enlightened experience. It's expensive. It's perceived as all one, you know pure oneness emptiness, you know nothingness awareness. So I followed the awareness route to that realization to enlightenment basically what I considered enlightenment at the time, which is what gave me this expensive view and the view of oneness, because everything was made of awareness very clearly. All people, all things, and I was one in the same as this awareness, I was both the thing are wearing and the objects of that awareness itself. So I considered okay. That's done to me this is non duality, you know awareness aware of awareness. So that's where I was, and no self in the sense of no collect character, the collect character been completely seen through. All of its thoughts its memories. Everything was like oh that's just a story. It was never real. But I started to watch Frank gang's YouTube videos and I was like, there's a difference between his experience and mine. Mine isn't trippy it's not. Of course I have blissful states right I have blissful kind of psychedelic states but it's not anything to write home about. Of course this is spectacular. Perceiving no separation beautiful, but there's this thing that my experience doesn't match everything that he says. And that was the first time I'd encountered someone's teachings that I couldn't relate to. I was thinking about what if what I'm in is a construct. Nice. I use different things I started to think about deep sleep. You know, whatever deep sleep is doesn't matter, but it was like my gateway into thinking. What is this awareness that I think is my continual baseline state. Am I truly always aware. What is my experience of deep sleep. Then I started to think about flow. You know when you're in an activity and you just lose yourself in that activity. After that activity I'm like yeah I was aware because I can remember. So I was aware there wasn't an absence of awareness. Then I realized that's an afterthought. In the moment when I was in the flow I was not aware in the literal sense. So that started to crack this awareness paradigm and whether or not you know you're aware or not doesn't even matter. You know whether you're wearing deep sleep when flow state doesn't matter that's just the train that I took to get to, you know this place of oh my goodness what. So, after that, taking into account the fact that I didn't match Frank's experience. I thought about the nature of awareness. And I thought, what is awareness without something to be aware of. And that was my main final sort of inquiry. And I know that theoretically true non reality is awareness aware awareness which is technically one thing right. But then I started thinking, that's like saying, I'm eating, but there's no food. Right. I'm eating and eating. Quite makes sense. There are two things here. Awareness implies something to be aware of, whether it's awareness aware of itself, or when it's aware of multiplicity, that's still the subtlest of dualities. And so, last year, I sat down and I found myself meditating and I was doing what Frank spoke about in his videos which is vipassana. I was thinking for the source of this awareness, because for something to be in the subtle duality that has to be a subject and object. A subject must be present perceiving something. So I realized, hey, there's this pool in my head, there's a sensation in my head that believes it is aware, bear in mind I had popped the locality bubble in a way as well I no longer felt I was in my head. It's a perfect paradigm ideal enlightenment. But this thing was taking credit for awareness, somehow subtly. And in a moment that I objectified that thing. It was like a desolate wasteland immediately. It was like gravity was acting on the body for the first time I remember sinking back into the couch I was sitting on with this crazy inertia. And before you know you've got the center in the body and you feel like you are sort of holding it together. And then as soon as the center falls out. Oh my goodness, the body is being acted on by gravity in the same way as like this pen or whatever. The center fell away completely. And I realized that awareness, and any other paradigm, God, non duality, spirituality, anything, all of that fell away, all of it and that's why I haven't said anything on social media for six months. This is the first time I say anything publicly, because it took me this long to be able to understand what had happened because I can no longer use any concepts or any words. I could say, oh, I've now recognized awareness of awareness. I have now recognized myself as God consciousness, the pure I, but in that moment, all of that fell away. Every single thing. And so I simply do not know anymore. You know, I did not know. Now I don't know I knew I knew you know you say you don't know but in a way you've got the safety of knowing like I'm awareness. I'm all powerful infinite awareness. But you're something so much bigger. Actually, you're, you are beyond even the highest of non dual paradigms. So that's what happened. And for the last six months, there's sensations in the body and like wind and sounds are all like doing this they're overlapping. And the body has no place in the center so the body feels like it's been as if it were like a puppet. And then the strings were cut on the puppet, or like I told Frank where the body was normally like the center. Now the universe feels like a hand and the body's like one of the fingers. The body is like one of the things floating around in a snow globe. It has no anchor anymore. And since then, true, no suffering, true no self and true no suffering, no self in God, no self in awareness. No self in any paradigm whatsoever completely groundless. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like an honor to be a that you felt an energetic draw to be able to share here with me on this channel for the first time in in six months. And it also feels really divine with the way that where we're both at because I feel very similarly to what you describe, which is the inability to really speak about it the last half a year. Also, and although there have been, although there have been shifts happening where you what you just described and how I feel it. It's really like destructive of any paradigms and ideas and concepts. And I like how you called it the train of awareness because that is kind of like what it is is like a train that we take back in words to source if you will or to knowing what we truly are. And even that exploding into the mystery, infinite mystery. And, and then yeah it becomes very groundless. And also the like I like how also shunyata emptiness can be also translated to hollowness. And that's another great. Yeah, like recent feeling because and then like the hollowness can sort of like the intelligent energy or infinity, if you will, can sort of just most effortlessly just flow the body mind to where it needs to be. And even to serve the rest of creation, like waking up. And without a sense of self that is constantly needing to tie everything to its worth or image and things like that. Yeah, you're completely free floating you know by the will of whatever you want to call it. You are no longer resisting anything and so you're following your literal divine path. You know if you if we were to call it anything, the true freedom of no longer resisting some sort of, you know, given way for the character. And yeah just not not being locked into anything that the free flow of not being locked in is insane, you know as long as you're locked into something, whether you know a hobby, a job, a non dual paradigm, enlightenment. You are limiting yourself. You are setting up boundaries in which the character can only move like you know this within this paradigm. And as soon as you shared the paradigm and you, you're a free agent. You'd be surprised, you know you just get done whatever to and with. You're just a puppet for whatever this is. I love how you also described it like a being the hand and then of the universe and then the body being a finger. Great one. I've also used the the towel as an analogy because you know the towel has all of the little little pokey. Yeah, bits for that are strings that then are what like absorbs the water from our body when we rub it. And so then we're, that's the towel Ness, if you will is like the universal Ness and then all those little body minds are the little strings. And I, and it's just how the mystery expresses itself in this dimension we could say. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, it's a seeming multiplicity but not really, you know, and it's not even wholeness. It is not even oneness. You know, so if you're stuck in oneness, just drop it and see what happens. It is something far beyond that total mystery. The first time you can say nothing about something that's that's such a big deal, because we always have something to say. You know, we always we can always talk about stuff and even this we're talking about but we, you know, we can't really but what a feat to actually be experiencing something for ones that I cannot describe. Yeah. And, you know, the, it's interesting what you said about the like mission awakening mission. Before I was thinking, you know, people are sort of caught up in different, you know, things. Some people are like spiritual. Some people believe in spreading the message of awakening. And I was like, unknowingly negating those roles I was thinking, you know, that's not the point. The point is to, the point is to just get yourself enlightened and then whatever happens happens, you know, so there was like this kind of bias to like, you could say spirituality and like spreading of the message because what does it matter because source doesn't care if anyone wakes up to it. And then, when the center fell away, I found myself immensely involved in spirituality for the first time started reading the law of one, got into the raw channeling, all of the stuff that I'd previously thought is ridiculous, you know, mass awakening. You know, these goals that I thought were futile or egoic have now just started flourishing without a center so there's now this like mission, mission to help people see what's seen here but with no internal egoic need to do so. It seems to truly just be the way that things are, you know, it's not because someone needs to feel fulfilled by teaching and making someone else enlightened. It's not that it's even when the center falls away, you're still, you still find yourself helping others whether you like it or not. Because that's just the way things go it's like this thing wants to spread itself. And if you're not spreading it you're in a way caught in a bit of a paradigm I have read. What's it, perfect brilliant stillness by David cause and he said he's just, you know he woke up. And no matter how many people begged him to teach this thing he just refused because he doesn't want to lose it he doesn't want to make it into a concept. You know that's kind of like fear based. You'll find yourself loose completely you'll find yourself naturally spreading this thing. So whether, whether it's via spirituality law of one Dharma missions. You know, it's great. It's great and it's the way this thing moves. This thing moves by spreading itself it's, it's definitely. It's not entirely true, but it's pretty true to say that it's the way things should go. It is the evolution of humankind toward you know the foreseeable future. So it's great you know what you're doing with the team and just getting out there and having fun while doing it. It's fantastic. And before I would have negated that you know I would have thought it doesn't matter I don't know why they care, you know why do they care and here I am caring so much like these people need to wake up. So yeah, you just get you get totally destroyed everything all your all the stuff you thought, you know, I was like crystals don't work. No, apparently you know everything else relative truth. The rule of one was just relative, but that's the thing. The relative is the absolute. There is no absolute truth absolute is the relative they're intertwined and one and the same. And enlightenment is not a goal. It's a, it's the journey. It's this entire thing happening with a spiritual not spiritual you want to renounce all your stuff you want to go live in ashram you want to, I don't know party it up in the Bahamas, who cares. It's the way it's thing moves. Yeah, we could even say that there's a. There are a couple different thresholds and at like these different thresholds of deconstruction, we could say, of the sense of, let's say four things primarily that I've noticed it's self others. World and stories. Those four things, and the deconstruction of those through inquiry vipassana concentration meditation realization integration that that typically takes us to thresholds and we could say that if we get locked into one of those paradigms or thresholds or thresholds that there's typically still a non deconstructed remnant left, because we're still locked into a conceptual paradigm. And then, as we sort of blow through those because there's still something that feels unholy or it still feels like the seeking impulses still there. We, we recognize that it becomes more and more non conceptual paradigm less and when that fully hollows out. Then it's an organic feeling without a sense of self that the only thing that's left is for this body mind to be a vessel or a channel for the universe knowing itself and waking up to itself and there's nothing else for it to do for it to be for it to express. And it's that's that's also liberation. Like you said earlier there's, you're following the divine blueprint. And there's just such a, like there's a warmth. It's like a, it becomes like a musical instrument that's just yet being played in the symphony. Yeah, yeah. You know, like you said, if you're locked into something, no matter how enlightened and do experiences. There's an anchor somewhere that's keeping you locked in, whether that's a story or a sensation or a self. You know, as long as you have a self in something, you will be locked into something and that's just that. And it can be as simple as like three questions. One, are you suffering? Yes or no? Two, is there a self? Is there any self? Do you identify as anything? And then third one, is there a subject to your experience? If something is happening to something else. There's a subtle self. There's a paradigm, because this is subjectless. There is no subject here whatsoever. There's literally no one, no one experiencing. There's no thing experiencing, not even awareness is experiencing, because that makes awareness a subject, not even God is experiencing itself because then God is a subject. This is completely subjectless. You can say it's pure object, but even object has to exist with reference to a subject. So, you know, when people come to me, it's like, hey, are you suffering? Because they think they're done. Are you suffering? Yeah, you know, it's sometimes they're kind of uncomfortable moments, but the awareness is there and I'm aware of it and I'm like, okay, you know, that's that. You're just you're stuck. You're stuck, because you're still suffering. You're just rationalizing you're saying I'm aware of it. You know, good, or whatever, or you're combating your suffering with like a God consciousness mentality, which is like, I don't need to suffer. I am super strong, infinite God, infinite awareness. Still not. Still not. And there's a subject that is something taking agency. What's doing that? What's doing that? What's deciding like, oh, I'm taking witness position. Oh, I am awareness. Because when this whole thing is flattened out and you see that there's zero subject, the so-called subject from before is like happening, but it's happening as like simultaneous like firework events. When I decide like I want to watch Netflix or something, I can feel the sensation of wanting to watch Netflix, a pool across my chest, which before was like, oh, I either subject want to go watch Netflix. Now I feel the sensation arise the thought of Netflix simultaneously, but there's no one underneath that. There's no, there's literally no agency, no subject, total emptiness. It's desolate, desolate, desolate. And another thing that I realized with the, that recent shift was that this entire thing, perceivably now takes up no space, no space. And that was one of the most frightening aspects of this realization, because I knew theoretically, okay, we're a dream in God's mind, you know, we're thought, we're the original thought, but practically in my experience, things kind of had shape. I could see the ephemeral, I could see the transparency of the awareness that things were made up of, but it didn't do this, you know, it didn't, nothing collapsed on itself. And when I look around, even though there's a parent space in the room I'm in, I can see that this is not even an atom's size of space. We barely exist. We barely exist. And you can say we don't, we don't exist in a literal sense, none of this is real in the sense, you know, of taking up space and happening in time. It's just, you know, in the exact same way as a dream you have at night, very common analogy that non-deal teachers use, you know, in what space did that room that you dreamt of take place. And I knew that theoretically, and because I'd heard it, but I never saw it. So in that moment when that dropped away, I was like, because the walls just closed in the body just disappeared. And now, no matter how far I look, it's like smushed. Yeah, it just takes up no volume, which is insane. And if that's not your experience, like carry on. You know, don't, don't, people mustn't be discouraged. Because I see so many people making like rationalizations, like I said, I'm aware of it. So it's fine. It's hurting the character, but it's not hurting me. All of those are justifications. They're all paradigms. They're all your mind trying to keep you in this box that you don't see the reality that we're talking about. You know, very, very clever, very smart mind. Let's use the most subtle non-deal trap. The last one. Let's hope they stay here and if they see through it, damn it. And you don't even teachers. There are so many teachers that at least perceivably from their teachings are teaching from a paradigm, which I understand in one way, because if we didn't, we'd have nothing to talk about. And we just sit there like this. But it's a hint to really investigate your experience and be honest. What am I sticking to? What do I believe myself to be? Do I believe myself to be God? Is that my experience? Is life happening to me no matter who that me is? Life happening to awareness? Life happening to God? If that's the case, it should be investigated. Yep. I love the three that you brought up. It's a really great way to have an access point or an entry point. And of course, suffering is, and just being honest with these two, suffering. If there is still suffering, if there is still a sense of self. And then how do you differentiate the second and the third, the sense of self and the subject. I would say the subject is like a perceivable thing. And the sense of self is an identification, a mental identification. The sense of self is like I rest my sense of self in awareness. I know intellectually, and it's my experience that I am God. I am awareness. And then the third one would be is experience happening to something because you see some people stop on the second and they say, No, I'm none of these things. I don't have any identification. Because their mind is smart enough to say, No, I don't identify as anything. I identify as what is whatever I don't have any identifications, but then there's still a sense of separation in the third step is this thing that you're not identifying with happening to someone. Yeah. And I mean, we could add a fourth one actually, are you seeking? Nice. Yeah. Cool. I like that. Because if there's no suffering, there's no seeking, no self and no subject or no duality, then the natural state seems to be operating the show. And if any of those things are in place, then there's further, let's say investigation. Yeah. There's further freedom to feel. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like work, you know, as long as you're looking at it like, Oh, there's more seeking to do. I've got more. I need to do more inquiry. Damn it. You might as well just, just stop right there and go do something else and come back when you actually feel like finding out what you are, you know, sincerely, because you're already right off on the wrong foot. If you're thinking of it as like a job or like, Oh, it's so much effort to like loosen the center and just sit you have a partner for eight hours. Just stop, you know, that in itself is a paradigm. Just release that and then you're already more free than you would have been eight hours into the parcel. Yeah. What is a bumblebee in my room? Yeah. You know, it really takes honesty. It takes, I've heard idea referred to honesty as something really important. And before this, I was like, Oh yeah, he's just being idea. You know, I just very, what's like subjective level he's very homie very sweet with people's problems and I thought that honesty was one of those things. To be honest, obviously be a good person or whatever. But no, it's pointing to a radical honesty within yourself about where you are. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And you can't, you can't deny your experience. You know, it takes honesty to look at your experience and say, I am still seeking. Or I am still suffering. I've just been putting a mental overlay on my suffering, but I am still suffering. That is really strong to be able to do that to be able to open yourself to the idea that you have inquiry to do or that you have further exploring. Like you said, further freedom. That is incredible. And that's why it's so rare. Because it's comfortable, you know, is awakening comfortable for you. If it's, if it's comfortable, it's not it. You know, if you're comfortable in your paradigm, if you're comfortable. Oh yes, I'm done. This is, yeah, this I'm done. I'm happy as awareness. That comfort is illusory. That's the comfort of the mind. I don't think I'm ever comfortable anymore. You know, in terms of concepts, I have no idea what to do or say. And that's the beauty of it. It's like, you, the next moment, you have no idea. Yeah, it's so fresh. You don't know what you are. Yeah, it's so fresh. It's, it's stale to think you're something. It gets old. Yeah, thinking yourself. You are your true nature is the absence of being a thing. That's what you are the absence of being something. Yeah. Yeah. And you can feel the freedom and tune into that. You feel the liberation. Yeah, it's just the absence, the absence of something, absence of resistance, the absence of a plan. It's just creating itself on the spot, moment to moment. And that's also, you know, why we can be so casual about this, you know, we know we're not trying to be anything anymore. Imagine you're trying to be something, imagine that imagine caring. Imagine. And this is just so freeing, you know, for the first time you don't need to be anything because you already it. So just suspend all of that. You're done. You're done. Yeah. The freedom of not being a thing. Yeah, that, that came to me. And I thought, yeah, is that because it took six months. It took six months, you know, for, for that to, to come, because for six months I had no clue. And then I was like, oh, you are not nothing, you are not emptiness, you are not awareness, all of these things are like, it's not it's not it. Oh, you're the absence of being something. That's what you are. That's why we can't catch it. That's why none of the labels fit. That's, that's why if you're caught in the label, it's a paradigm and you can move out of it, because you're not a thing. And we've heard that, but we still somehow make that into a thing where like, oh, I'm not a thing. That's the thing I am. I'm nothing, I'm nothing. But no, you're the absence of being anything. That's going to be the thumbnail with your picture. That's the absence of being a thing. I really like it. I really like it. It's, it's my only true wisdom from this. It's like, the one thing that I'm like, okay, cool, we'll go with that. Everything else just gets discarded. It's like, no, you are lying. You're lying. Yeah, I love how clearly that. Resonates with the word freedom, the absence of being a thing, freedom. And I love how you brought up audio and honesty. And before we started recording, when you, and when you shared about the paradigmlessness, and then immediately what came through. Because there's no self image that wants to be seen a specific way. So then there's the ability for the intelligence to just channel through and so the way that I responded, the way that it responded to itself was that simultaneously right now here, the feeling of paradigmlessness. And yet at the same time, there's the, the occasional mental proliferation, we could say, in the Pali Buddhism, it's called Papanka. It's like mental conceptualization and mental proliferation around a sense of self self image, the world, others stories. And so then there's a weaving right that's what the nibbana nirvana is the unweaving or the unfabricating and so when you weave and when you fabricate and you can create a sense of contrast between those two, and just relax more and more in the unweaved in the unfabricated in the empty in the hollow. And then, over time, though, the weeviness, the webbiness that that dependent arising Ness of self others world stories relaxes more and more dissolves more and more. And then, so that's this honesty, right that's just this honesty, it doesn't the Atlas character or finger of the universal hand doesn't need to appear any specific way to the other fingers to be valid, right to be worthy. And so that's freedom, right, that's freedom to. You're trying to be anything other than what you always resisting what is anything, whether you're trying to, I don't know, you're trying to become something. I mean go for it, but you're resisting what you are. Let the becoming be what you are when you're becoming it. Don't think I need to be this way. I need to be seen in, I don't know, like I need to be seen as a teacher or whatever my goodness. I imagine I, I would have thought like I can't open for the, the wasp I was there because I need to see more like spiritual I need to sit still, but there's a wasp being so like hey, I don't need to pretend anymore, just go open for the thing. He said it free whatever they were both free. You know, just, yeah, don't resist, don't resist what you are. We just have these problems whether they're like superficial on like the level of the person, I need to look different. I need to be more intelligent. I need to have better abilities at hobbies, all the way to, you know, I need to become even more solidified in my awareness identity I need to become even more integrated and enlightened. Bro, you are, you are it, you are the perfect manifestation of what is, and okay within reason, because sometimes we need to believe that we need to improve to get to see this. Right, we all, we all were seekers believing we need to really get somewhere I really need to abide as awareness, starting now, and I'm gonna do it the whole day. We had to do that we had to for a certain amount of time believe we need to be something else. We had to believe we need to become it. Until we saw oh damn. No, I guess I've always been perfect. Yes, I've always been loved. Damn, I've always been the perfect program. There's never been a problem with me now what now now and I have so much free time. There's never been a problem with me. And believing that was resisting the fact that I'm perfect, that everyone is perfect and unique believing that I had to change was just a mask over that so that I didn't see it. In the absence of the belief I need to be something different. What am I, I'm perfect, because it's only the belief I need to be something else that creates that reality. It's, you know, your thoughts and your belief systems. So much of manifest is created just from that. If you're believing something in a moment that is your experience in that moment guaranteed if you believe I'm insecure. Wow, you feel insecure. Wow, what a surprise. Throw away that thought then what are you secure, safe, protected, loved, perfect divine. That's exactly where you're supposed to be. Because everyone thinks I need to be something better. I need to be somewhere else I need to be doing better in my job, my relationship. Sure holds relative truth in some cases, but normally know you don't just stop thinking that stop thinking that and see the perfection underneath your ridiculous belief. It's, it's like you, you now get to know your perfection for the first time. The person never existed so the person never disappears. And so therefore this illusory person can finally know it's perfection. It can finally stop trying to lose weight. It can finally stop trying to work harder than it wants to or can pushing itself to the limit. Even this illusory person now sees, oh damn, I truly am a divine creation. And I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be at this point in time and it could not be any other way. And that's the case for everyone is just that some people are not seeing it yet and they need to believe they need to become for a bit until you see a while. No, I don't. Oh, man. One of the things that Bentinio Massaro and the no limit society team as well as community are really focused on as a, as a paradigm for liberation, let's say is the three or four body system. So we have the physical, the subtle, the causal, and then if you will the great causal or the I am body, the awareness, love and light. And it's what you're describing right now is so beautiful because at the causal level is where all of the assumptions and the beliefs are seated. And they propagate into the subtle into the mind and into the physical. So at that seed level, if you will use this beautiful visualization of the system that so perfectly, we could say mirrors, the way that trees also blossom from seeds out and to fruits. Similarly. And so if the right nourishment isn't there at that seed level of that you're I'm already whole, I'm already free. I'm already one with it all. If you're already empty and hollow of any need to try and get external validation and whatnot, then that will appear as the fruits in the physical appear in the space of your awareness and consciousness. And if there are these on whole unworthy lacking separate local into the body thoughts that are at the seed level constructs, if you will, then those will operate the show. And that's what we've been calling like the gremlin or the hitchhiker. And really feel that on your nervous system, like when not only for yourself but for when you're around your other selves you can really feel it when it's operating the show. And so the liberation is process of inquiry into where did I pick up the belief or the assumption. And then that could also be called what real shadow work actually is. Yeah. Yeah, very interesting. Again, you know, before this I negate to chatter work because I thought there's no person the person doesn't exist why don't need to deal with the person's problems. No, I'm not going to meditate and I'm going to negate this things existence. Then after the shift I was like oh wow what are these sensations what what is this like that feels like trauma. It's weird because that's just in the body it's been cut loose of any suffering. So it's a very unusual case where it's normally people do shadow work as part of like spirituality before awakening or they'll take the progressive part. I kind of jumped into awakening it was very fast. And then like a year and a half later, this the final shift happened. And so I didn't do any shadow work I didn't I left the character completely messed up, traumatized and all kinds of things feeling inadequate. And after the shift I was like what is this, like feeling of not good enough what what is going on because it doesn't make any sense. But I've now realized that this this this is an integral integral part of awakening. I would have thought that it's separate. You know my biased awareness mind would have thought no that shadow work that's for the person. What I'm doing is the real work I'm getting enlightened but no, that's not how it works. There are two sides of the same coin. So only now has this character started to investigate its thoughts and belief systems about regarding inadequacy and so on because they don't they don't click with the experience anymore. There's a very clear experience that everything is perfect but then there's a sensation in the throat of fear. And like a narrative passing through the head of like, I'm not good enough, and it's completely foreign. There's no longer this like thing that's believing it to be true it's not holding it together. But I was like this is so weird is this what I was thinking about myself. That's insane. So now you know shadow work. Great. And I'm starting to think like these are the beliefs that were governing my artwork behavior my whole life, and I didn't know. I only see it now. I see it now and you know I should have before but it is what it is but it's it's integral integral integral it's so important that the person gets aligned with its true nature, as well as like the perspective shift. Because you're just going to have be like a mess of a person within the natural state. Don't even don't do that, you want a holistic full aligned, like, create a ship experience. You don't want to feel inadequate within an enlightened framework, you don't want to that's not pleasant. Don't ignore the person. It doesn't exist anyways. Exactly like what you said these these seeds that are planted if you plant the inadequacy seed. What do you think is going to happen on the outside. Obviously, your, your entire circumstances are going to paint that picture for you because it's mirroring you. If I believe on the inside I'm not good enough, everything on the outside is going to tell me the same thing because reality is a mirror. If I am empty, reality is empty. That's another thing I realized with the recent shift that this is just like I've heard Bentino say, smoke and mirrors. Yes. It's, that's all it is. And so you can go right down to like your fundamental belief that's causing you some kind of friction or suffering or whatever. Whether that's like I lack something. I'm not good enough. I need to be something else. I need other people to validate me I need attention. All of those can be traced back to an often an event. Often years ago, you've been carrying this for 2030 years. And for some reason as soon as you see that. I was telling my boyfriend yesterday as soon as you see this event caused this reaction. It's no longer the current thing that's causing it to like, oh, this started way before this person pissed me off. This feeling started 20 years ago. It's not because this person said something to me. It's got nothing to do with this. The circumstances are just painting the picture from 20 years ago and that belief got put in my head somehow. And so as soon as you see that, it already starts to unearth itself. It's like, oh, so this doesn't tie to this, which means I'm not inadequate in this situation. And it starts to unravel. And then you become empty first, and then you become full. You know, so it's first like, yes, you're so caught up and you're so contracted and you feel like you're not good enough. And then you're like, okay, then there's emptiness. And it's just like this hollow back then what am I as a person. That's when like the fulfillment starts. What I am is perfect what I am is good enough. And you unearth those like initial seats or ideas or concepts, replace them with something way more aligned to what you actually are way more aligned to your goal and just your mission here. And it just flourishes. It's like, thank goodness now you're giving night now it's true. And because it's true, it just outpours you know these these contracted energy seems like stay stagnant it's just constant experience like victimizing you and you stay so small, and you feel like you're not enough and I need to get people to like me and as soon as you just let go of that. The truth of yourself that you are perfect just burst open and it takes over your entire experience, because it's true. If anything is true it'll resonate it'll flush and it'll feel good. It'll feel good if it feels bad. Question it. Yeah, it's not aligned you're believing something that's not true. Yeah. Yeah. And then using those feelings those emotions as guidance. We've been talking about it like a guidance system, like the feelings and the emotions the energetics are themselves a guidance system and so if there is a feeling of suffering or feeling bad that it's typically a contraction in the sense of identity, that there's an assumption of a sense of self a sense of others world and getting lost in stories or at the seed level, that there's an assumption or a belief of unworthiness, and then in the physical manifest level. Everything's like you said reflective and mirror like to that assumption or the belief. The dissolving or the dislodging or the transmuting of those beliefs and assumptions is exactly what enables freedom from the contracted sense of identity. Then, by doing that, we see in the physical in the manifest is reflected to us that beauty the perfection, the non locality also. And that's such a crucial piece to this is that the. It's a feeling that's sort of, it's so difficult to describe you, you mentioned how even space and time just seemed to be very dream like just happening as a singularity of sorts and no time and no space. And so there's this feeling of, in a sense, being the intelligence that is speaking and listening to itself at the same time right now, and this sort of happening. This manifestation. And that already being free and that already being perfect. And, and then yeah, and then there's a total like relaxation, because of that. And it's really important to feel again like the simultaneity of that everything already being perfect and free, and yet also recognizing that yes, there are, we could say other selves that don't have their basic needs being met or that still live in very violent areas. And that there is still a perfecting that this collective is undergoing in terms of meeting the basic needs of all, and having peace, true peace with no violence and no, the total abandonment of weapons of mass destruction, and things like that. That the simultaneity is beautiful there because then you can still really radiate out the bodhisattva vibe that it can radiate itself out into the collective. Because it's that's exactly what it's seeking if you're tuned into the collective you can feel that what it's seeking is its own liberation is its own awakening. This is the end of the assumptions and the beliefs that have been plaguing the collective for millennia of separation and lack, etc. Yeah. Yeah. To live on absolute level means to not negate any subjectivity. So, if you are truly and wholly integrated in your clarity, you will not deny the suffering of others. You will not deny that people are getting their needs met that they are calls to service in the world. If you're denying any of that. It's not clear because you're denying something. This is a whole acceptance on all levels. Like yes I accept things as they are in that people are suffering. There are people are not getting a need to met. However, acceptance does not imply indifference, and it doesn't imply nonchalance and it does not imply that there's no call to service. So, again, contradictory to my beliefs before. Because I was thinking there's no there's no one suffering. So it's fine. The kids in Africa. It's, it's fine because God allows it. Yeah, it's it's that's a denial. It's a denial of the humanity in you. If you see someone suffering that whether you have a self or not you're going to feel. Oh my goodness, you're going to feel that heaviness here. And you can't deny that. So that's what drives this call to service. Our humanity, our humanity acting simultaneously with our clarity and our awakening. And we just somehow intuitively know that we can't deny this that we have to help. It just feels like there's no other way to explain it because it can be negated so fast but like non radical non-dualists. If I say anything it can be negated if I say, no, but I really feel like I need to help. They'll say it's just a story, but it's felt it's felt as a deep sense of, I am almost obliged to help the end of suffering in any way that I can. I'm not denying that it's painful. It's, it's resisting and it's contracted. It's contracted so again, these stories that non dual paradigm and the non dual community tells itself. There's no self so everyone can suffer doesn't matter it's God's plan, you know, throw all of that away and you will go help that person on the street, throw away your story. So you will give $50 to the beggar. What are you doing. You're ignoring your humanity and your man, your humanity itself is divine. There is no separation. There's no separation between your humanity and your empathy and call to service and the absolute. It's the same just like through and through, you know, on almost like on levels. If the absolute is here, it's like funnels down kind of into the being and the access service and, and it just should not be negated by all these stories. The non dual people say hey, don't tell yourself a story but they're telling themselves the story. And I don't mean to come off like I'm, you know, contradicting on reality absolutely not because it's what brought me here but there's just so much that, like, you know, and you and the team are kind of ripping apart in terms of spirituality and on duality, because on the outside it's like, oh, they're following a story that people need to be helped. Come on, but there's a deep felt sense that that is true that humanity is moving toward a local awakening. You can't tell someone that who doesn't feel it because it sounds like a story. In the same way that enlightenment sounds like a story. Oh yeah you feel blissful at the time you're right. You can't explain it unless you feel it. And if you feel a call to service and to end suffering, then it's aligned, I believe. Yes, and, and not only the call to service to end suffering, but also what and the freedom for all of the, the blocked energy to just contraction those contractions to be liberated, but then also on this collective level, what actual paradise or heaven on earth truly feels like when all basic needs are met and when all are able to actualize whatever creative artistic expressions that they desire and true truth and where that we've been calling it Shambhala and to just to really feel into what would it be like to have millions and billions of people be in total freedom and sovereignty and artistic expression with all needs be met and just so abundant and prosperous. Why the fuck, would we not have that be the core of the North Star for this collective and yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If you say anything else you're in ignorance. I'm afraid. You know we all want to be in a circumstance that is embodied and aligned and everyone feels perfect, and no one feels lack and everyone feels safe. And of course, and absolutely true, absolutely true. And I just realized that, you know, a holistic integrated approach to that is while knowing that this is the goal. Right, you know and you tuned into the Shambhala frequency and you embodying that circumstance so that you know the circumstances can follow through. And that's part of you that has to know that everything as it is, it's perfect already otherwise you're already off on wrong foot again, you know, if you're thinking that there's lack here like oh people are suffering and I need to need to change this to get to Shambhala. That's not going to work because the basis of manifestation collective shifts is Shambhala is here now now. And, you know, yes, in a way you have to negate. And one of the responses that tell you that's not the case if you truly want a free community free society free earth. You have to know that this is exactly right. Yes. And so it's like a balance between it. You can't find lack now. You can't find like and that's kind of where the awakening thing comes in because if you awaken and then you act toward the skull of like a perfect society, you've already got that paradigm paradigm for the sake of the word that everything is perfect as it is it's your experience right now that despite the suffering, despite the contradictions to the fact that this is not ideal. Everything is perfect and that is what accelerates the manifestation. So that's why same. This is the reason why enlightened people tend to manifest the things that they want because it's not coming from a place of lack. So the more enlightened beings that say come together in this mentality of and in this experience of everything is perfect as it is, whilst envisioning embodying the ideal society in which everyone feels a certain way. It's the perfect accelerated vehicle to change up with circumstances and to really get this ideal state going. Yeah. Absolutely powerful. This is already heaven on earth or paradise on earth or Shambhala is already like the frequency or the state that we choose to occupy. And at the same time we recognize that there is a more and more basic needs being met the more and more of a vision of the Shambhala vision. And so because of that, we, we take, let's say 2035 or whatnot, and we have the feeling of what that feels like now. And then there's no lack. There's no lack in what is now and there's no lack and we're not there yet. And then that's what like you said it makes the blossoming of it exact precise without any lack or without any self. And then that's what makes it pure in its service also. And it makes us able to dance our way there to like playfully dance all the way. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Because yeah, it's it's complete embodiment of perfection. So there's no longer any resistance to it. Again, you know, even this, even the vision of a better society, a better earth, the one shouldn't negate it, you know, don't, don't negate it because I used to think there's in the dream and out of the dream. Now, now that vision for better societies in the dream, newsflash, it is only the dream buddy. So absolutely, absolutely. It's totally important. And, you know, if you say that that kind of thing is not important global awakening is not important. Okay, what is if we want to say that's not, then nothing is, you know, nothing is. So that's for the sake of this experience, if we have to call something important, I'd say it's this nice and being a vehicle for it. I love how we can follow ourselves to total mystery and freedom and like nothing being important. And then from there, what is important, the first thing, the only thing is global awakening. And so then there's that simultaneity of that. And so good. It's, it's, it's like a metaphor for everything that's happening here at the same time you know it's perfect but there's a pursuit of perfection. And at the same time, you know that source does not care whether people awaken to itself or not. Yet, you're teaching people so it's this play of absolute wisdom and this embodiment of humanity and service and it's beautiful, it's beautiful. It's true integration. It's, it's a crystalline experience. And it's, you know, you're simply not in denial of anything you're not in denial of any level. That's all basic. Yeah. Yeah, acceptance of all levels right from the person all the way to your utmost charity of no thing. Yes. And that's true simultaneity of all of those is what I would say is like the most super positioned or the most entangled recognition of the nature. And then that's what sort of enables a relaxation because when the absolute and the relative are seen to be entangled and and then the empty fullness is able to be entangled in one or the human and the God or however it wants to be portrayed or the perfection and perfecting that that entangled superposition, if you will. It is, it's so juicy. It's so it's liberating. It's liberating because you can feel that this is already freedom. And yet also you can truly feel the heart of the other self that feels contracted innocence of self that doesn't feel free and then to serve that freedom. So that entangledness, it prevents us from falling into a single dimension or a single construct or position. And to stay entangled or to stay superpositioned is highly advantageous it's very shapeshifter like it's very what I've noticed is some of the most awake and some of the most present to the natural state is like that. Yeah, you go from being contracted enlightened to organic and enlightened and you don't care what you are. When I when that shift happened the most one of the most. One of the things that I stood out the most was the organic biological flowing nature of this, because the awareness thing, although it's vast and expensive and beautiful is a rigid structure. And when a paradigm like that is that go off, you come into this organic shapeshifting nature, like if you turn your head you've you've shapeshifted into the entire room. Yeah, you know, and no matter what you do whether you're cooking teaching, you're literally shapeshifting into that activity. You are no longer something keeping its form while other things happen to or around. So it's, it's a complete surrender, and, and knowing that I don't ever need to be anything but very deeply, very, very deeply so that you can almost metaphysically take the shape of different things and different experiences. So that shapeshifting quality is, I've heard Frank mentioned it before as well. And again, that was something that I didn't feel before I was like, okay, I guess theoretically, I can see awareness is manifesting as all of this. And so therefore shapeshifting but that is a different thing to the actual experience of like we said turning one's head and, oh my God, I became the room from this angle. It's, and, and this shape shifting quality, although this is the basic example. It's just what you are throughout everything throughout service throughout fun or activities you're just like this organic mush with no border, no center that's just becoming whatever is happening. Yeah, it's stunning. Yes. And to not have something like calling the shots anymore you know there's no longer thing that it's like, I don't know trying to mold this thing trying to change the experience into some other shape. You are happy with whatever this experience appears to be. And there's no longer you can't even say you are the experience because there is no you to be the experience, and you can even say there is no experience, because there's no space, no time, what do you want to call this then, you know, so it's just like this totally organic thing and I remember comparing it to like a star almost or like something like a star burning or a star exploding or like a black hole. The organic nature of that feels very similar to this because that thing is something marvelous magnificent but that lacks agency. It doesn't have an individual thing that's orchestrating its magnificent show that it's putting on the burning. And that's how this feels. There's no longer this thing that's like, Oh, I need to burn bright tomorrow and less bright the day after that. You just this organic biological function flourishing flourishing like a star or a black hole. Yeah, it's a great way to tie the macrocosm to the microcosm because it's the natural state is the way that the black hole in the sun and the planets orbiting the different stars that that's how that operates. And as raw would say the law of one, that that's the logos that that's the very intentionality for the creator to know itself, and that we are that same organic biological function of the creator knowing itself on the microcosm in the mind body spirit expression. And it's just so clear that that that there's like that natural organic mushy blossoming unfoldment that that there's, there's nothing better than than to be totally free and to just be to like be that and to let the mystery move and also have a good idea at the same time of what you truly are. And to to just be a humble servant with no name and to just laugh, like laugh and play also so much like we love that as as our team. And there's like, of course, there's this like exciting Navy seals or Viking energy, and then there's also this very relaxed, like Buddhist meditative energy. And there's this like laughter and this dance and this play, also, this hilarity, and, and even we know it's so true but when you're laughing hysterically with close friends. I mean, there's no time. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, the experience of fun and experience of beauty and experience of love. And therefore friendship and things like that. You are completely immersed in your true self. There's nothing that wants anything to be different than it is. There's, there's no name that there's no character there that you completely immersed in the other or the experience to such an extent that there is no you. And that's why these experiences are so can say like significant to us why we want to have fun why we want to have love and friends and community, because these acts. They resemble ourselves. They are little manifestations or like a little examples that the like prototypes of true nature, little glimpses you could say. They're good to model after you know they're there because this this state this true final whatever it is, is very similar to, you know, a deep love, a deep intimacy. Yeah, you kind of feel like you're, you're constantly on the edge of, I don't know, sometimes it feels like you're being tickled in a way like ready to laugh at any point, you know, it's, it's just like exhilarating and you're on edge and it's spontaneous and those are all the things that you feel with friends, or when you see something you really like or when you're super excited. That's, I can't think of anything else that life is for in terms of the human experience. Now that you know all the things have been shattered all the ideas of you should be this type of way you should become an enlightened guru teacher and all of that. And as that dissolved it's like, oh no, this is actually just to have this experience of like fun. You know, this your higher self if you want to call it that is not invested in any of your petty issues any of your goals anything like that. It's, it's actually just, you know, embodying as this character for now to have fun. It's like, it's like summer camp for it in a way. You can enter yourself you feel that you embody that and you can feel, oh wow none of this is serious. I wish I'd learned this. None of this is serious. Again, well simultaneously knowing okay they are, they are serious issues that need my help. But inherently, I can just laugh, I can just have fun, because that's what this is for now. There's nothing else there's nothing else than being happy. There's nothing nothing nothing else. So, we just thought there was something else we thought there was something other than pure creative fun, but there isn't. And it's beautiful. Yeah. Yes. So good. I love how you called it the summer camp for higher self. It's so cute. It's so interesting like oh my god I need to do this. We're just lost in the you know the camp activities kind of it's like I really need to do this team building in a way that's going to be constructed, but we just will get why we're here we're here to have fun. And the more you're tuned into your high self, the more you know that and you embody it and the least you're into your high self the more problems you perceive the more you feel like this is not what I came for why am I here. The more you lose sight of the fun thing, you know. So, it's great. It's great. And all of this stuff happens simultaneously again like none of this is not enlightenment, like higher self and degrees of consciousness. It is, it is to say it's not it's to imply duality so yeah tune into your high self see let your high self give you clarity according to what you like as to what you are and become enlightened. Stop negating your tools. You have a higher self. That's not a belief. Just go see for yourself and you'll see. And these they all there are all these available things that can help you. But we all follow like this thing we're all like a Buddhist or a non dualist or a spiritualist, and we don't like mix them you know, before I was like I don't have a high self everything's empty. Not true. Not true. Nice for fun. Nice. We're here for fun so good. So good. Yeah because why create separation. So we talk about like one that most recently especially and like let's say the last half a year that was just so transformative was recognizing the similarity between no self and capital S self and realizing the similarity between that and the one and the infinite creator and just seeing how there is only that with itself and that is made of love it's made of fun of light and to to be able to draw these, these, these pointings together, and to find that that functionality. It creates the most you could say, like a wake surface area. So there's no like leaks or holes or wobbles that are possible, where we can get stuck in a specific paradigm or way, because we've in a sense developed we just want no map, or no concepts, and yet at the same time we do have a map, we do have concepts that we've referenced to, which is how we literally speak to each other. So then for that map to be as holistic as possible with the pinnacle pointings across these different mystic lineages as well as social memory complexes things like this. This is one of the best approaches. Yeah, it's it's a it's like a holistic embodiment of all of those that you mentioned, no self with a small s, and then self with the biggest which is the universal shared consciousness, and then you can add no self with the biggest. So it's while simultaneously knowing that you are not even big self you know you're not even that you are not even the collective shared awareness consciousness bliss. You're all knowing you are it, and you're also no small self or small self, you know as you play. So it's this play of like the simultaneity again of these three levels, knowing you are the absence of being a thing. Whilst knowing that you are awareness God consciousness, and then the absence of a person, and they together create this optimum functioning, you could say. It's like you're functioning your, your unit is functioning in like ideal specs. That way, it's what it feels like. And you can't just choose that you can't just, you can't just choose to like live as like no small self, because you're just going to feel like nothing then. You know you're you're missing something you're missing a degree of empowerment and clarity and power and so on. So that's why you're like, Oh, I'm big self, I'm God, I'm consciousness, I'm awareness, and that creates it replaces all your inadequacy beliefs, and it destroys whatever messed up thing you had going on before. And then you realize you're not even that and from they can play freely across this like spectrum as much as you like, because you're not, you don't claim to be anything anymore. Nice. Beautiful. Yeah, and then the, you can be moved. The body mind can be moved by the intelligence. So you as the intelligence can move the body mind, organically naturally effortlessly to exactly where it needs to be on this spectrum of the simultaneity of all levels. And yeah, it's so free. And this depending on the situation. So I care. She's like, I just loved how there wasn't like a stuckness because that's normally what would happen is there would be like a stuckness that would then at one of those like levels of shape shift to a level, then there'd be some sort of stuckness. And that's where usually the sense of like, oh, this paradigm or all my sense of self image or my I'm too deep in a story or I'm too deep listening to another self story and now I'm ruminating on it. And then there's a liberation from that back to this whole spectrumness. Yeah, for a while we seem to fluctuate like that a little bit, you know, for a while you feel like you're stuck in something, especially say now you get into an argument with someone that's very like intense and you feel, oh no, I'm, I'm in the other self ego and, and you feel like, oh, I need to, I need to shift back into alignment or whatever. But you know very soon if you let that happen you're like oh that that was also it, you know that argument was, it was fine. It was fine I didn't need to go anywhere. And it's a manifestation of this, this play across this like thing. You were just simply down there for a little while you're not stuck you're about to bounce back up relax. That's just the play of experience experience will always keep changing. You will never ever ever just be one thing like we said earlier you're the absence of being something so stop trying to stick to one thing stop trying to be aligned in every moment because you are resisting the experience of non alignment so called non alignment you just need to see that that's not non alignment. You know within reason, obviously, always room for improvement and so on becoming better and more holistic. The, yeah, there shouldn't be any stuff missing the experience. Eventually, at first it'll be like that will be, I'm not abiding, or I wish I could shift back into that expensive place that I was an earlier but now this argument has contracted me, but eventually just like you know this argument contracted me, and then very shortly after that you're expensive again, because that's just how we are again we shape shift. We will shape shift, and we will mirror an ego ego, and we'll contract to communicate with them, because that's the nature of our communication we communicate on their level and that's not something to be like condemned you're not hurting anyone and things like that. So yeah it's an embracing of this organic shapeshifting thing and a non resistance, not trying to say like I want to be in this shape, I want to be in the expensive share I want to be in the God shape. No you are in your absolute shape in all of those. Another facet to that that I find so perfect is that the team, we've been sharing that it can feel like one I is on the what's present what is organically being shape shifted to, and then one I, if you will is kind of clocked back on the entire spectrum and there is a there's a power to that because, even though it can feel like part of the energy is on whether it be a conversation or, or someone feeling contracted and then you're being asked to help provide a good question to help them feel liberated that at the same time there's part of your energy one I clocked back at I am already totally free and that as though there's one I that is aware of the dream, even while the other I is like balls deep in the dream. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good it's really good analogy. It feels like that, experientially. Yeah, yeah, you never lose yourself, you know, whatever happens you can't lose yourself because like you said that other eyes pointed toward the point of clarity. No matter what happens in the experience, what you eyes not an experience, and something knows that something, I don't know what it is, but something is pointed toward that at all times. So, experience can go wild. You can do whatever the heck you want man, because something knows itself. Something knows this framework in which experiences happening is not an experience. The framework can never ever change. It can never ever ever ever change and it can never get lost in anything. It can never lose itself any of these paradigms not really. And so we, once we see that we seem to maintain that space or framework, and no matter what happens no matter what shape this takes no matter if we get involved with another person or not contract or not it remains within this like lens of perfection and wholeness and infinite capacity and creation. And that's one hell of a solid framework for anything to happen. Nothing can take that down. Nothing. I think you like you got enlightenment and you lost it that's experience. You simply cannot lose enlightenment. You cannot lose to enlightenment you can't. Because once you see it, it's always going to be that framework that the one I points back to. And you always see that while you're involved in the play. And that's not even a duality it's not like there's a separation between, oh I'm playing this role but I'm also that is that's not how it's felt in the experience it's a simultaneous whole. Like again that mush, but yeah very good analogy, very good analogy there's always something pointing toward the true nature of things, no matter what happens in the foreground. Yeah, nice. I guess that one can talk about this now, you know, it's the perfect timing, even this. You know there's a reason that even this like a discussion didn't happen before because there was probably some kind of disconnect or something paradigm and paradigm, you know, it would have. There's, there's, there's an, like a mutual shared agreement that whatever the hell this is is. It is all there is. Yes. It is more freedom with itself, rather than what could have been maybe several months ago. When we were first exploring doing this what could have been a little bit more slight contractions showing up so it is, is really nice. Yeah, this is entirely free entirely entirely free perfect embodiment. Yeah, yeah, as long as you're stuck in anything, you will have a contracted space or contracted energy. And you can deny it feel like, but only for so long. Before you realize that damn I am contracted. There's a sense of something here that is not integrated. That's not ready that's not. That's fearful or lack based. The thing that wants to get something the thing that wants to be something different. Any little glimmer of that to just be looked at, because if you have a subject, all you need to do is turn it into an object. It's that simple, whether that be like psychologically like with an attachment. I believe that if I lose my, I don't know my favorite item, I'm going to fill a loss of myself. That's an attachment. You have a self in that item. You know just several the ties, see that that's an object. Same goes for anything else, the self that's claiming to be an adequate the self that's claiming to be anything. Look at it around look at it as soon as you look at it it can't say anything because it's now an object and who's the agency then. Then you're in agencylessness. And that's basically like I guess the idea of all of this. Yeah, like it comes back to those like three or four things that we said. If you're suffering, there's something there's an experiencer. There's a subject. There's a cell. If you're seeking. Just look, just turn it around just look at that thing that's pretending to get everything else. And then you level the playing field. And then you see it's only ever been objects of experience were all objects of experience. God knows how that works. But it's true. I wonder how infinite manifestation works. Yeah, for no one for no one and for nothing. You know, it's even a slight stretch to say that it's, it's manifesting for itself because it's not even doing that. It's even less caring than that it's like, I'm just doing what I'm doing for nobody not even for me. It's manifesting not even for any perceiver. I'm not even manifesting for someone to enjoy it on relative level yeah the people can enjoy the experience but on absolute level there's no one here to enjoy what's happening and that's what's so beautiful about it's like creating art for nobody to see. You know you know that the art has been created and you left it in a desert somewhere and it'll never ever be seen and but that's the beauty of it for nobody. It's just a creation. Just a spontaneity. No goal. It's just that in itself. Nope, doesn't serve a purpose. The purpose, if anything was the creating of thought for no one. Now in the law of one. There's the, the creator will know itself as the, you could say the explanation of the infinite manifestation. And I also love, like you shared the infinite manifestation being for no one and being like making an incredible universe with all of its epic dance, knowing itself expressing itself, but then that also being in a, in a painting in a desert. And to really be able to like feel that. It's just no better word than yeah than freedom and like I guess peace is another really good one for peace also. Causeless, causeless and goalless pure spontaneity. It's a human thing to believe that something exists for something else. You know we do one thing for another person or we do something so that we can feel better about ourselves. This cause and effect thing that's human. That's not how true nature operates. It's not operating for anything. And because of that can be said to be pure innocence. Like if a child is playing the child's not playing for anyone. The child's playing. There's nothing more to be said about it. The child isn't even really playing for itself. Because the child doesn't really have that sense of like gain reward. It's just impulses, pleasure in the body whatever. That's not, it's not directed toward anyone. And that's a manifestation of pure innocence and this is just that on a massive scale. Yeah, it's a massive, massive innocent creation. And seeing that is what really liberates because you can then embody that viewpoint on your level of the person. And you can see that what's happening now is the goal. This is it. Yes, you're not striving for anything in the same way that the infinite creator is not creating for anything, except for just the creation itself. You are existing here now purely for the fact that you're existing and that is what gives you inherent worth. That is what gives you inherent capacity to love to experience happiness and peace. Because it's not about a cause and effect. It's not about living for something or trying to become something in the end or anything like that. It's been this moment from the start. This moment has been the prize from the very beginning. Just for the sake of nothing. Who cares? Who knows what it's for? But that's such freedom because you no longer need to believe that anything else exists. Anything else is important other than what is happening. Hands of the wheel. Beautiful. Yeah. The microcosm of childlike innocence as the macrocosm of universal innocence of the infinite manifestation being totally innocent and Yeah, I love agencylessness. That's so good also. And I like how you also mentioned how it's like this from the very beginning less beginning this innocence and this fun. And that's why. Yeah, it's, that's why Frank also says this a lot that it's like natural state is very much like the childlike innocence, the grandparent like wisdom, the sage like purity, the monkey like natural spontaneousness. All merged together. Also an AI. All merged together. So perfect. It's, it's, it's everything. It's everything. And the spontaneity just comes from, again, like not believing that you should be doing something that you're not doing, because as long as we believe that we should be doing something else, your spontaneity is just like kept basically it's like no I can't, you constantly contracted you can't, you know act like this, because you believe that you're supposed to be some things like contracting. So as soon as you realize oh shit, this whole thing is just for the case of it. You just automatically embody the spontaneity. You, you know that you're operating risk free you can do. Okay within reason whatever you like. It's a party, no matter when you were suffering when you were like, that was a party to man. Sorry, your higher self is enjoying that it's enjoying the ability to suffer. You have such a unique, let's say gift as human. And, you know, on this planet to have this capacity to feel like shit. We don't realize that's a really great thing. You know, there are a lot of things that don't have that ability. So even suffering is a gift. Even suffering is in this play of absolute perfection, creativity and fun. It just doesn't feel like it but that's not how it's supposed to feel. Otherwise it wouldn't be suffering. So yeah that's just like also the perspective that's like good to remember just the capacity to suffer. Even that, even that, even that has been part of this innocence, because source, if you want to make it something will not have the capacity to feel or to suffer or to love. Like I said, it's like a star almost a star can't love it just creates. And so it's such a gift that it can create something with the ability to suffer. That's us. Yet when we're suffering we feel so not special but there's really something special about that suffering. There's something very unique and very human and very rare, if you think about on a cosmic level. You know how many other beings that are around that can suffer, especially if you refer to like the densities, according to the law of one suffering is definitely only a very small portion of that. And we just happen to be here at this point in time where we have this capacity so even that can be embraced along the way, while you're seeking while you're suffering. It's a gift man. Yeah, it's a gift and I assure you you're going to look back when you're like fully enlightened think wow that that was actually pretty cool, totally to cry and to feel like that. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Andrew Houston when he came on our show he described it as precious fuel, and that stuck with me I love it. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. It is because we just want to get rid of it right. We just want to feel this right now. We just somehow lack the perspective of home. This is delicious in its own way. It's delicious. Deep suffering deep feeling. If your consciousness progresses you're no longer going to be able to feel that you need to enjoy the journey because you truly do kind of become like a robot. It's bad. It's great. But you look back and you think wow there was such a flavor to that suffering I didn't see it at the time and now I no longer have a self I can't suffer anymore. But in hindsight wow that that was pretty, pretty good I can see now why high self would choose to embody or into incarnate or something that can have that experience. It's funny in hindsight while we're going through the suffering. It's like, but, you know, maybe it can help someone if they hear it. Next time they're suffering really badly just think of the flavors of the suffering you know when when do you feel the strong when when are the emotions so nuanced so consuming. There's nothing about it although painful that's just so like you said precious precious unique. Yeah. Yeah. And nobody ever will have the same exact expression of unique sufferings and unique ceilings. And so to fully enjoy fully the uniqueness of that thatness that suchness itself is it's so important. It's so important because this is it like this is it so may as well deeply enjoy all of that that precious fuel that suffering that seeking that realization that integration that service. Yeah, enlightenment is as much the thing you get to as it is what happens along the way. And it's completely literally the outcome does not weigh any more than the process. I remember when I was going through the initial stages of no self the small character than death of the character, you could say, I would wake up in the middle of the night and my head was the size of the universe and I, I couldn't find where my head started and where it ended and even that created immense disorientation and suffering. So, you know, like in those movie scenes or the characters like this over the bathroom sink like to clean the mirror, and they're like high on some kind of dry I felt like that I was like oh my God, what is happening to you you are. This is this is so scary. I can't find myself. I'm looking at my body but this isn't me. And I was so scared. I was fearful, and it was suffering but in hindsight now. There was something about it that I will never ever ever get back. Yes. And if everyone is going to have that same kind of experience with something is frightening or heartbreaking or when they're out of it. They're gonna look back and think, wow there was depth there that I've never felt again. The uniqueness of that experience was the flavors that made it could never come together again now. They could never make that particular feeling that particular feel like dread and existentialism and I didn't know where my body started and stop. I didn't know who I was and this is a dead of night and I felt like I was tripping. And I was so scared but guided by this grace, guided by this beautiful sense of everything's going to be fine you are shitting off for now but you're going to be okay. But at the time it's like I just want this to be over. But that should be wished less. You know, suffering should be embodied more a little. It shouldn't be resisted along the way. Because like you said everyone has this unique formulation, unique mind. Even if I tune into the mind of another it's it's nothing like mine. Everything in my paradigm gets shifted it's like it's rearranging. If you tune into the energies of someone else. I thought people were reasonably the same I thought we're all kind of have the same kind of patterns in our minds and same templates and stuff but it's not true. We're all formulated completely differently. And we all have completely unique experiences of suffering and completely unique experiences of just happiness and love and the diversity, the diversity. All powered by grace. Also, that was so beautiful. And I love how you talked about the synthesis of flavors coming together for the exact feeling. And I feel like on our next conversations that we can explore this like so much deeper. This is such a cool part to it. I love, even just tuning into that love feels different across all 8 billion in this collective that all the patterns of expression feel different for all the billion and that's that's such a beautiful thing to And yet it's all like comprehended by the same one. And that's also so beautiful at the same time. And so, and there's, and there's just no ground to stick on, and then that's so freeing and so liberating. We covered just so much goodness. Collette I'm so grateful. Yeah, me too. It was really it's a very good sharing especially after being quiet for so long. It was like, I don't know what I'm going to say. And I hope that I can say something. And we did, we did and I'm very, very grateful and very happy to have spoken with you. It's kind of like just been like, city like been marinating kind of and not, I haven't really allowed an outlet, because there's like, this is one to like, make sure that everything is stable first that I don't conceptualize something in a way that it's not. And these past six months, I'm probably going to be back on Instagram after you post this. But the past six months have just allowed us to like really settle and also for the teaching to be able to come forth in a way that is more understood and more holistic and yeah I really appreciate being able to speak here. So it's really giving me the opportunity to do that. And it's been such a great sharing. I really loved every minute. And yeah and our next ones we can definitely elaborate on some of the stuff we said. Yeah, very exciting. Thanks for your beautiful radiance. Love. Thank you likewise. So good. So cool. So cool. So, let's see what shall we say now we can say. Thanks, everyone for tuning in. Thank you. We would love to hear from you in the comments below. If you want to write a comment. We'd love to hear from you. Anything that really like stood out caught your attention helped you on your journey, where you're at in your journey, maybe either Collette or I can come in and write back to you. Also, you can subscribe to the channel if you haven't yet. 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And, yeah, I'm really excited we'll probably tune back into doing another one of these rounds soon, and just see how that keeps blossoming and our friendship super looking forward to it. I'll, I'll go ahead and I'll end the recording. And then you and I can just stay in the room for a little bit okay. Bye everyone. We love you. I thank you we love you.