 What are the April 13th meeting of the Arlington Redevelopment Board? First on the agenda this evening is the town meeting presentation with members of the Master Plan Advisory Committee, several of whom are with us this evening. Carol, I'll defer to you to get things off with that. I drafted a PowerPoint of some slides for the boards and the committee's consideration for the presentation of article 46, town meeting morning article 46, the endorsement of the Master Plan. The board, the committee rather, saw a version of this and at their last meeting made some suggestions and I made a couple minor changes. So you have a copy, if you don't have a copy actually. I got one. Anyone in the room need a copy of the slides to work from? Sure. Sure. And so a second version went out. And this is, I can start with this. So any ideas, thoughts, changes, anything that you'd like to see less of or more of, we can do that. I did get some comments from a member of the committee who saw the revised version. So what I'd like to do is to go through those and see how the board deals about those. Thank you, Anne the Royer, for giving these to me. So on slide three, and these are numbered, slide three is the town disc, the Picker Town Disc. She suggested that we mention that the ARB has already adopted the plan. Someone else thought that we might want to save that for the end, but it does seem like an important point, because otherwise town meeting might infer that we're asking them to adopt the plan. And it's already been adopted. So I think I will make that change to the slide unless there's an answer. So I think a good place for it might be right before that last line where you could say, I don't know, something in effect of, given the redevelopment board's adoption of the plan already, or something someone like that. It just has more of a perfunctory given that we have knowledge. Or something like that. And then later on, you can kind of explain it a little bit more. So right before that last sentence on slide three where it says, we asked for your endorsement of the adopted master plan, my thought is maybe we could put a sentence in before that. And say, you know, pursuant to MGL 41, Section 81D, the ARB adopted the master plan on February 14th. Actually, that's a spot point. And then that sort of flows into that concluding, concluding sentence that we're asking for your endorsement of the adopted master plan. Okay. Well, but if you say that, should you then also say, and I'm paraphrasing, which means that it is the master plan of the town, of the town of this town. It says that later on. It does. Okay. So I think there it does say later on, but it's important to say it. No, I don't think so. Yeah, you're right. Don't rub their nose. I think it's another point to be made later on when you're talking about implementation. So for this one, because it's more of an introduction that we've adopted it, maybe you don't cite the actual statute. Yeah. You just say adopted master plan. Yeah. So he has adopted the master plan. Yeah, he has adopted the master plan. In February, you don't make an eye to it. So in February. Yeah, but you can skip the chapter and verse because that sounds clunky. Especially up here where you're just trying to get it all over. And these notes are what you're saying or whoever's planning is saying. Right. That's not going to be up on the slide. Correct. It's not going to be up on the slide. It will be spoken. Yeah, which is a matter of way. There are a couple text-type of slides for us to begin that we'll have to do the surgery on because it's too much text to my threshold. Across the timeline. Yeah. I think it's rude to ask people to read a slide while someone's fighting. So that's what we'll do with slide three. Okay. And also observe that we now don't have anything on the first slide except on the master plan. Which I think. Isn't that just an introduction by the person? It is. That will be up while we're kind of getting to. Getting up to the podium and introducing. We could add something like, you know, article 46 or yes, both endorse article 46. Or we could leave it. I might put the article 46. Yeah, just putting that on top of it. Arlington 46, Arlington master plan endorsing. Or endorse Arlington master plan. Yeah. So article 46 and then the next slide would say endorse Arlington master plan. Any concerns about that? Okay. On slide five, there's a suggestion that we add. Arlington master plan addresses seven different but interrelated elements and then go into the list. And because I thought this type was going to be there where it says land use, transportation housing. And then that picture on the upper left. I don't know why, but I just said, well, I'm not developing public park. Yeah. Just hit me. I don't know why. So just to the comment that we put in before that, though, there's more than seven that I kind of. The two other elements. One is one of the elements of master plan are the goals and vision. And the other is the implementation. Okay. Land use, transportation, unless housing, economic development. I mean, I'm up to eight at least. One, two, four on that. Five, six. Oh, okay. So historical. Okay. Sorry. That's a single natural resources in open spaces. One. Okay. Sorry. Got it. Got it. Okay. Seven. It is seven. Okay. Seven. Addresses seven. Yeah, that's different. But I agree with Andy's point. I don't know why I jumped out. It appears as though we're developing open space by having that picture. I don't know. It's weird because that hit me because I saw the word land use and I looked right at that. Yeah. I don't know why you wouldn't put one of the. So I wanted to switch it out with something else that's. Yeah. Do you have something? Even though it is appropriate. I mean, it's not that logical because obviously you're addressing. We can. Preservation. Yeah. Something that I call. What we'll do is move. Because it does say open space. Yeah. That's under natural resources. But land use doesn't necessarily mean parks or. Forest or. It doesn't necessarily. But I think I can see other people saying what Andy. Yeah. Happens here where they're saying land use. Space. Right. Just changing that. Putting one of the historic resources there like the Indian sculpture. Yeah. Uncle Sam. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, actually that's good. Uncle Sam. Switch it out. Well, yeah, because that's big on the economic development side. So if we put this. Circus down. Sculpture and people won't think we're going to be developing. Right. Yeah, exactly. This is Cook's model, but no one can really tell. Right. Uncle Sam. Yeah. The next page. You do have a nice. Prescape. Which is. And also. Uncle Sam isn't the land use. So I don't really want to use. Something that isn't a land use. Put the other ones on. But it's. The sculpture of the garden twice. I'm sure we can. I can fix that. And get that. Cook's hollow picture out of there. Put something else in that suit. Or get Cook's hollow. Somewhere else. There was a sense that we needed more green. So I don't want to lose it completely. We'll find a place for it. Next page. So. On page. Slide 11. And said implementing. Many aspects of the early. The action. And then she. Like. Which makes sense. As is the case now for issues such as zoning. Budgeting. Capital planning. And many other. Commitments. Endorsement of this master plan of this plan. Signals. Town meetings. Support of the overriding vision. And countless efforts to which. That would be placed. So instead of saying the early to master plan is not. Not only by law change is not a capital. Program. It's more. I would leave that. It just. It just kind of elaborate on the first couple of lines of that. Okay. So this would be an addition. Okay. So with that follow at the end of the paragraph on page 11. It's right after. I'll just replace the first couple of sentences. The first couple of lines. It's just a somewhat change of wording. A little stronger. Okay. Before you do that. So. So I had a similar thought with respect to these two lines. And that is to implement much of the Arlington master plan will require returning regularly to town meeting. And. Because it says will require returning regularly to town meeting. It doesn't say and will require, you know, town meetings, approval of all budgetary and zoning items. I mean, I think we need to specifically call out that every item that's going to cost us money or that's, you know, going to change any zoning by law is going to come before town meeting. I think we have to be perfectly clear on that. I agree. I would even underline that. I bold it. Well, this text won't be seen by town meeting members. No, no, no. I'm saying that's what people, that's whoever the presenter is shouldn't stress that out. Read that. Right. But it won't be matter of what it involves. I was just saying so that the person shouts it. Yeah. So it's stressed because that will be the first objection. So like you said, and will require town meetings, approval of all budgetary. I think he has it maybe. It may be more elegantly than I do, but. It's just more than a little bit differently. But I think I'd make it, what I was saying is I think I'd punch it up even a little bit, a little bit more. So it's not using what and is. Think about what he said, just rephrase. Well, I just want to copy down. Sure. Just the last word was zoning, correct? I think so. I think you want to say any item that requires money or zoning changes will be coming before you. Either through. As it does now, that's the point. Nothing has changed about in that regard because that was the part of the point I thought was important that they understand that those things are going to continue to happen as they do now. Yeah. And I think you could say you could make the specific statement and say just as has to happen now or something like that. In other words, I have a question on, oh, I didn't see this anywhere. Any mention of a implementation. And the question is the implementation is definitely going to be formed. And should we allude to that? And would there be telling meeting members who would be appointed to the implementation? I'm recommending that there be town meeting members on the implementation committee. Right. Where is a good place for that? This slide? Yeah, it's implementation. I think you've got a lot of text right here already. So we may have to break it up and get another slide. Yeah. Maybe a deliberation of maybe a public committee. For next steps. Well, it's kind of on page 13, isn't it? Yeah. Because it talks about the implementation. It could be elaborated perhaps. Okay. Yeah. It seems to me that the slide that's on 11 really belongs with the text on page 10. So instead of having a slide just text, show the World Cafe and the vision and values workshop and any other slides that you have of the process going forward. And then on 11, you need something more like a town meeting type of slide. And that would show a picture of town meeting. I took one last year. I can't talk about that. The, you know, Yeah, this is a good idea. Or ACMI. Still. Go across the street and take a picture of John. Or even the outside of town hall. Yeah, actually. That's a good one. The empty chamber. The empty chamber. No, that's not a difference. So town hall photo would be on, for 11. For 11. And the current slide that's on 11 would go to 10. You don't have to have all that stuff on the milestone at all. Someone asked for a slide on milestone. I would just say, You got it. But also it's going to be very difficult to read to the audience because you've got a lot of text on there. So. Yeah, I mean, what you could do is you could put a little bit more on this slide. Like not put the words along with the pictures and simply kind of put dates or something, you know, in a more graphic way. And, you know, even say something like, you know, 25 impact meetings, you know, or something just more graphically. Ex zoning workshops or, you know, it just kind of just put pure numbers on there a little bit more graphically. No, no, no. And I'm saying don't do it that way. Just kind of like do bubbles with a few different things. Maybe like four or five. It's like a range of dates or something. Or numbers of meetings or, you know, something just kind of summarizing in a more graphical way. So the implementation discussion is going on slide 13 about the committee. Yeah. So, so who comes back to town meeting with requests for funding for, I guess it's a different player. It depends on who's the lead board or committee. Right, right. So, okay. In zoning it would be the development board. Yeah, okay. I was trying to think of whether you could put it in the implementation committee in the context of that a little bit, but I don't think that works. Like if the states would be tacked. Right. If Charlie's idea of including an additional slide in there to go into the implementation phase is an idea. Yeah. And I think it's going to show the buy-in that people have on the work that remains to be done to come back. The board can come back. Yeah. And isn't the implementation committee going to work with those different boards and commissions? So, I mean, maybe that's how you present it as well. And, you know, the implementation committee is working with the different boards and commission, the relevant board and commission will, you know, craft things to then bring back to town meeting. Okay. I think we can do an extra slide. This is 46, right? So, on page, on slide 12, we need to kind of deep up this, what happens at town meeting then towards the Arlington master plan. There's this word disappointed, which may not be the right word, you know, maybe we could say it may be unfortunate or it's the fact is that it's a missed opportunity if we don't get the endorsement. I think you say that then. Yeah. We believe that it's a missed opportunity. Yeah. That it would be more successful if we have yours. I think it's a kind of a red flag to say the plan would be implemented as intended. Yeah. That will raise their hackles. But that's true. It is true. But it doesn't mean that it won't get their hackles up. How can we say it? I guess we're going to need help letting them know what's going to happen because it will be implemented. Was that the place to put in pursuant to the law to say that this is the law? This is not something right. We're doing the law. We're going to put that right pursuant to what Vincent said before. That also might be a lead into the implementation committee to say as intended, you know, was the advice of these various people that will be. So, however the plan would be implemented consistent with state law? Yeah. Or, yeah, I mean, maybe you just torn it down a little bit by saying working with the implementation committee. Yeah, I need to think about that. I think you can sort of start a little bit from the implementation committee would do its work. I have a comment and or question. I don't know. I'm page 12 if any change has been made with the first two lines, but I think that's a little confusing. Town meeting members have asked whether a yes vote binds town meeting to future yes votes to implement the plan. First of all, they would be future yes votes to implement parts of the plan, elements of the plan. Or particular recommendations. Yeah. Specific or specific ones because however many are coming. Specific recommendations. Or something better because that kind of tells you you can choose. You can guess on one and you can say no on another one. Exactly. Part where it says the volunteers et cetera who created their own commas to plan would be disappointed. I think you would get rid of all of that and simply say that the plan would be implemented consistent with the date of the plan. I think actually, I think you get rid of that whole thing and what you say is is it would be a missed opportunity. And you can even say, because with town meeting support, we send the strongest message to the state grant makers. So I think what you do is you go get rid of that whole sentence with respect to it. So maybe you have started to interrupt you, but we skip, delete that second sentence there. You could then just pick up what the following sentence Arlington will still have the benefits of having adopted a master plan, but it would be a missed opportunity with town meeting support. We send this strike, however. We send the strongest message, et cetera. I think that's perfect. I think all you need to do is you need to lose that one sentence. So we go from the question to with town meeting support. No, you do keep in Arlington will still have the benefits of having adopted a master plan. With town meeting support, I would delete, however. But it would be a missed opportunity. However, it would be a missed opportunity because with town meeting support, we send the strongest message. You think we need to explain why we're defending our neighborhoods from future change? I mean, I understand we're defending it from future change that would not be good for the town. But I don't know. Defend our neighborhoods. Defend kind of feels like we will have it. I think it's, I think we will. We need to have the last sentence, I guess, is the question. You, the second to last sentence? The second to last sentence. Yeah. Yeah, we can stretch it. Yeah. Instead of defending a second hand. More. More support. I think it's good to point out that this is a planned fodder community, not just something we're pushing forward because we spend all this time on it. Get right. But I'm not sure this sentence. With town meeting support, we made better support. With town meetings endorsement, we made better support our neighborhoods and business districts from the face of future change. I feel like in the face of future change. I don't like it either. It sounds like something really bad is coming. That's what it is. And what about something undesirable change? Because that's so loaded. What you think is undesirable isn't what I think is undesirable. Town meetings endorsement made better and sure that our neighborhoods and business districts are just having a nice strong ending, really stronger with the United Parliament. Better and sure. And there's a lot of words here, too. So you don't need to be sure if you don't need them. Because you know, they're going to get a little fatigued. The text slides, we said we were going to get rid of milestones, right? Yeah. So are we deleting that sentence? But you're going to move over the slide, which is now on page 11, page 10. And then you're going to put in a town hall type activity on page 11, which we talked through what that could be. But in this case, it could be a picture of the outside of town hall. It could be the bar mitzvah from Saturday night. Right. So this last slide of page 13, do you want that? Where's the additional one going? The implementation committee slide would have to go after slide 11. I think it would be part of the new slide 12. Right. Isn't that right? The implementation committee. Yes. OK. So you're saying it goes before this town eight members of the U.S. vote, or it was after that? It was before that, I think. Really? Yeah. Yes, because you talked through it. And then this one that we just went on, it becomes page 13. Yes. And then the last one's 14. So this yes vote town meeting slide that says endorses. Joe Currow advised that we make it really clear what town meeting is being asked to vote on. This slide's very awkward. I don't think there's a picture that's going to tell that story better, but. I think the worst is what you're voting on. Will the endorsement text be handed out to everybody as a handout? I mean, won't they have that text of the endorsement, all the therefores, and wherebyes, and all that stuff? That's what they're voting on, isn't it? It will be. It should be in all the handouts, because it was approved by the board of selectmen as the recommended vote. So that's basically what you're voting, isn't it? Yes. I don't think the title makes sense. I think you could punch it up by simply saying, endorses dash, you know, adoption of the mastermind, considers, or I don't know. You could make this a little bit more graphical and be over. I would go see for some reason. Participates. And just say yes in quotes to endorse the adoption of the master plan. And then you're going to read this text and tie in the specifics. Because I think it's one of those things where a couple words on a slide is really powerful. But I would go less here. So first you said vote yes in quotes. Vote yes in quotes to endorse the adoption of the master plan. Just simple. And then I totally agree. It's too complicated if they have to parse three sentences. And I think you can hit the continue the open process and public participation in that new implementation committee slide. So I think you can toss the last two things. The actively participates in considering future and future actions that continues the open process. Just in the text of the new implementation in that new slide 12 that you're talking about, or a slide. Yeah, slide 12. I think those two concepts, you can hit hard on the implementation committee. So have you changed that last slide? I wouldn't. Yeah, the last slide would just say vote yes in quotes. And then underneath it would say to endorse the adoption of the Arlington master plan. What about doing your yes or vote will, one, endorse the adoption, two, consider it a living document, three, participate in considering future action steps, and four, continue the open process. I think we're thinking about being a little bit more powerful than getting rid of some of the points. Which you're already talking about. Yeah. Quite a bit. The only thing is, vote yes. I think I would say your yes vote will. Your yes vote is much more positive. We're all joined together to vote yes. Your yes vote will endorse the adoption. We'll endorse the adoption of the master plan. And hopefully by then, we'll all understand what endorsing the adoption means. And what no means. At that point, you might want to refer them to look at the endorsement with the text, just to mention it's in your. Yeah, that should be actually, you know how we're saying what should be on the first slide. Yeah. That should be the text in the first slide. That's a good point. That's something that exists already, and that's what they're. It's very long. Oh no, I'm not saying you read it. You don't read it. You simply write them to it. You simply point that to it. An article comes up. I'm sure it can. The tumbling has the vote in front of it, correct? Yes. Yeah, they have the recommended vote. And it's then shown on the overhead, right? It's a resolution. But that will go away when this comes up. So they'll have to rely. Tumbling members will have to rely on the hard copy. Is this in the resolution, though? Was this approved, officially, part of the selections? Yes, the resolution. We're to select. They somewhat voted this as their recommended vote. Well, I think the other thing you could do, I was going to say, on that last slide, you could actually put the recommended vote out there. And you know what I do, though? I would just skip all the warehouses and just go, the recommended vote is, and then just do the three results. That's what this is. That's what that long, wordy slide is. But if you're going to do it then, just do it. Put the actual words up there. I think is what we're saying. Just so you know how you just said, you just said that it's not going to be up there, because our presentation will be up there. Well, maybe the last slide. It would be interesting to see what it looked like to put it that way. It's going to be illegible. Well, you can put the slide in the simplified slide. That goes through up. And then the last few lines in the presentation can be those results. As a second slide. Not as a second slide. Just the presenter will just read them off. That'll catch people. Well, yeah. So let's talk about it for a second. So I think that's right. So you go with the simple slide. And right here you've got that. Tell me, consider the Arlington Master plan to be a living dogman. You know, to guide future, I mean, you've got it all like here, I think it's fine. Being subject to regular review and updates this conditions point. And we ask the town mayor and the floor to act of participation in future, in the consideration of future actions. So what's a spoken? It's there in the screen. Yeah, there's no reason for it to be up above, too. OK. So we'll stick with your yes vote. OK. I think if we have any other suggestions on the slide, go on this slide. Any other slides. The only other suggestion I had was on the slide four, you've got a summary of the master plan was sent to all town meeting members and to candidates for town meeting. The adopted master plan, which is two. Because I read this, and it's like, well, why didn't you just provide it to us? Right? You've got it all in here. Someone reading this isn't going to know the length and breadth of what the master plan is. So where do you insert the end of the page? I think you just say, yeah, the second sentence, the adopted master plan with over x number of pages. More than? With more than, yeah, or whatever it is. It doesn't matter. I mean, 16 maps. 23 graphics. You know, just put some of the, put some of the, put a couple stats in there just to kind of show people why you summarized it, why it's only available at the library. That's a good idea. Why we didn't give it to them. Yeah, exactly. Well, they are getting a phone book. Oh, town meeting members are getting a phone book. Oh, they are. Yes. What do you mean? They're getting a copy of the plan. The whole master plan. Oh, OK. Then I switch what I'm saying, and I would say, instead of saying copies are on reserve at the Robbins Library, and say, in addition to the copies that you received this evening, or that you received during town meeting, copies are also on reserve for the public at, I thought you were telling them where they had to go for it. That was a plan at one time, but we managed to get the price better. Wow. You just flip that sentence about, it says available for town meeting members here in town hall, or here at the meeting. Actually, that's the, oh, I see, an available for town meeting members here in the town hall, or here at the meeting. Oh, I'm sorry. They were probably going to distribute it before. Right, and were distributed. Have been made available for distribution. Yeah, I guess I would just, yeah, I think you're right. Flip it around, and just say, in copies for the public are on reserve. Now, if you have 250 copies of it on the table. You're better off putting it on the table. Put it on the table. Yeah, they will, and you've got to put it on the chair. Because for some reason, you only take what's on your chair. You feel guilty if you take the notes. Other people in there that don't go on, and yeah, take them out of the room. They disappear for today, yes. They're okay. I have a question regarding a five-year revisit. We didn't mention it here. Is there anything that the Redevelopment Board said about revisiting a plan on a five-year basis, or is that something? I don't know that we did, and I think that's a nuance that will be, you know, confusing that, anything else. It's implied, it's at least implied in the language of the vote because it's a living document subject to updates. But nothing about five years, okay. No, I think that could come up as a crime. I think that actually would be scarier. Yeah. Does that make sense? Wait, I've got to wait a little bit, you know. The first time you were coming back is then? Which is in proof as well, you know. I mean, we'll be coming back well before five years, and I think if you mention the five years, that's what we'll be fixated on. So, these are some good changes. Anything else? Any images to substitute? Any, besides what we already discussed? No, I thought it seemed like the right length. It's so nice that we did that. Yeah, I think it's a good one. Yeah? Okay. I think it's good to have some short slides just so you can cruise through. Make progress if you just have long slides. I think that's good. So, we should talk a little bit about the choreography of the presentation as well. The co-chairs of the National Plan Advisory Committee will be available. Andrew is chairman. He's probably the right person to represent this to be, to tell meeting. So, the three people at the podium, plus myself? Is that what you're talking about? This is the time, I think this is the last opportunity. I don't think we have, we have a school vacation week. Next week? I think. Next week? Well, no, this is article 46 though. So. Right, but the board is going to meet necessarily before ten years starts. This might be your last meeting. So, this is the occasion for, I think, slotting the presentation? No, except that I think we will have a meeting before article 46, because it's probably not going to come for about four or five. So, we might have that, yeah. Four or five kind of meetings, that's interesting. We could have the first meeting. I don't think it's going to go that long. Cody, is it a good one? I haven't looked at the article. The box thing, he thinks it's going to go three. There are only six articles that were brought by citizens. All the others are, that doesn't mean somebody won't fix it on wooden bark, but you're not a journalist. Budget things like us often are most common, but I don't know. Yeah, yeah, so it might end up being. I just worry that somebody will ask to move it. I think we should, so. You should be ready. She was the person who communicated the most with a telemoderator. And we have seven minutes, correct? I haven't timed this out. We can ask, I believe, I wish I had thought to bring the notes. I believe we can ask for 15, up to 15, with the body's permission. I think if you can handle the seven, I would do it in the seven and not ask for the extra time, because that in and of itself can put people in the wrong frame of mind. Well, then you have to actually rehearse it, obviously, and know that it comes in well under the seven. But I think, well, I think one recommendation I'd have is I'm often, when I listen to things that come up, introductions can take two minutes. I would actually say, don't do any introductions. Just, you know, or do the weird cursory introductions, move right in here. And if you end up with time at the end, say, I actually have some time left, let me, I want to make sure that I, you know, thank these people or committees or whatever else is how I would do it. But I'd get right in there and just get going. I would say the pure, pure people. I think so too. Well, there'll be time for, will it then open up to questions? Yeah, sure. Even though it's a resolution. Yes, because it's an article. It's article 46, so it's... Do you remember the discussion about this on the committee? If we had done it as a report, or as a resolution under article three, I guess, right? Right, a report of committees and commissions. Yeah, there will, there's that. And then... Well, anyway, there's an opportunity for 10 meeting members to ask questions. Oh, yes. So that's why it was done as an article. I'd like to get a sense of the board on who you expect to read the slides. Should we trade it off? I would keep it to one person. He's got a great voice. Okay. Then three people. Andrew, you, and a member of the committee. I mean, that's just, I'm just throwing that out there as a start. I don't know if you want an army up there. No, no, it's two. I think one. Yeah, maybe just one person. I think one person, and then... Well, someone's clicking. Maybe Andrew could start and Charlie could do part of it or something like that. But then Carol would be available for answering questions, you know? But rather than... I think Carol should do it. Yeah, or does Carol do it just from the perspective of... Well, that would be the other... Familiar. I would like... That would be my vote. Isn't it an A of D? I think Carol reads the whole thing. Well, it's the board's order. That was my first guess. I feel that way, too. And I don't mean to put it on you, but I think your delivery and your tone and the gracefulness, I just think it should come... Checks in the mail, Sharon. I'm not saying what's not true. I mean, and I've sat in town for 18 years listening, and I think... Well, that's the put it out policy. I'm not being a son. Yeah, I hope not. Sorry, but you realize it's town staff. So, I think one for say again, sort of... My opinion is just it should be a member of the board that presents it and coming from volunteers and not town staff. I think that's important to sell it that way to town meeting. I think that town meeting would receive that well because they're volunteers. I'd be happy to speak to anything. I think having you update it to questions is here to that board. But I think the delivery of the presentation should come from the board. I think that's probably the way to do it. And then at the end, as I said, you could say we have, you know, Carol Kowalski, Charlie, and everybody else or whoever the right people are. I'm sorry, I'm not sure exactly who's... But, you know, here to answer questions as well as members of the board, whatever. Then you get your introductions and, you know, kind of... And then you get your introductions at the end and your thanks at the end. And then there's time for questions and the right people to answer those questions out there but not taking on time of the presentation. So, what I'll do is make these changes. Then I can get these back out to board and the committee and then maybe we can meet to kind of time out. I think that's what we need to do. It's really hard to time out something when you're doing it by yourself. So, we have to do that so that I can change the slides and it would be more like it. Would you stand up there? Yeah. I've got three people. Charlie, you... I can change the slides. Actually, it might be that... I think it should just be one person, and that's one person. Just go up there. Okay. I'm sorry, so you'll get something on it. If you don't make minor edits and something, get them back and take them and leave on what you want to do. Yeah, so get them back to me. This is where it gets messy. So people might have conflicting edits, but we can't edit reply all the time. No, no, no. My point is more... I mean, it's in the end, it's Andrew's. So, I think the way I would look at it is I would offer suggestions. Feel free to take them, don't take them, whatever else. That's how I would recognize things. Very good. Could we just have a clarification again in terms of understanding? Andrew's going to make the presentation be about six to seven minutes. And then, who do you want staying there to help answer questions? Questions go through the redevelopment board. I think we'll ask that... Usually there's a row of seats on the right front. You'll take the first row right by us. We'll get you some seats. You know where the redevelopment board usually has their table? There's a row of the front row. We'll ask for Carol, Spence, and Charlie Coloskis too. And I can be in that... Well, I'll be at the table. So, and Judy Barrett, if she's available, she said she would come. So we can be there ready to address any questions that come up. Is that a good idea for Judy? It's a good question. It's in the contract. It's in the contract. I think there's a lot of people out there who think that she pushed this. She pushed a lot of the answers in there, not necessarily the people on the committee and the people on the board. And I wonder if not having her there would be a benefit. The committee certainly can answer any questions that have come in through the work that they've done. You can answer any questions. The members of this board can. I'm certainly not trying to say that she shouldn't be there, but I'm wondering if it would be a better show to have her not there. Her value is providing answers to technical questions and answers to questions about the state of the art of master planning in Massachusetts. If a question arises, like, what communities do about X, Y and Z, she's ready with the answer. So that's value. I could easily see her coming and those questions are not arising. Yeah, I wouldn't have her. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I think we should make every effort for the chair, Carol and Charlie, in yourself, Carol, to answer one of us, to answer all the questions. Yeah, only some of those more technical questions come up. I agree. I think that should be our first reflex. I think somebody is... Well, first of all, I guess my question is how many questions? What will the time period be? Will they come up in a row, you know, standing at the mic, or is that logistic? It's just regular debate. So it'll be us regularly calling on people. It'll be a regular article. I can foresee somebody saying, well, have you ever seen this in another town? How has it worked? Have you ever seen it five years down the road, kind of thing? And she was able to tell us about things like that. So I think for that reason, she could be sitting there but not have a role in it until it's needed. Right, exactly. She would be there to support with any technical information that somebody isn't prepared to answer if she's even available. It can look like a good thing. I mean, she's helped us with this or she wants to see the conclusion. But with you, I wouldn't introduce her just if you needed to. She happens to be here wondering. Yeah, I think that's the way to go. Okay. Two weeks from tonight. Sounds doable. What happened? Thank you so much. I want to start from the discussion about the guidelines. The design guidelines. Of course, the community's welcome just there. But you're not obligated either. Right. Next on our agenda is a design standards meeting plan with David Gamble. David Gamble. David Gamble. David Gamble. Good to see you. David Gamble. Good to see you. How is your business going? Did you want to go take damage before the launch? Oh no, okay. Turn your earlier comment when someone has something to greet you? Exactly. The position of you. The question of you. So, As David Gamble. I'm a clock and tech plan furniture planner and vibo. CEB in Cambridge focusing on urban design work. of working with Carol and Laura and her team to get started on the design standards. We were also a sub-consultant of 3D Meredith on the master plan. And as part of that scope, that actually three roles. One, we did some development studies on some key redevelopment parcels along Mass Ave, which I believe most people haven't seen other than the master planning committee. So we were essentially testing out what the capacity of those sites would be. But some important urban design considerations would be relative to the feedback on the comprehensive plan and develop the sort of sense of what it might look like. The second thing we did was participate in the public meetings that we had. And then the third thing was a visual preference survey. So over the last couple years, we've been in constant conversation with Judy and the team. And I think it's really important that the outset just underscore the fact that these design standards are coming out of that process, that people understand that it's a natural extension of the comprehensive plan and that it's also not necessary to have as much public input as was invested over the last couple years. So planning assignments often necessarily have to be fairly long in duration. This, by contrast, is actually pretty compressed. And I think it's a good thing. There's been a lot of feedback to date. I think we recognize that. We can summarize that. And the goal of the design standards should be to try to identify what the physical manifestation of those aspirations are and how they would relate to primarily the commercial corridors. So that's out in Millbrook and the Minahin. So our role in the next really couple months is to work with the town staff and to try to come up with a series of design standards that are legible to property owners, to the layman, to the development community, obviously to anyone who's interested in what can happen, to try to convey through graphics primarily what are otherwise fairly difficult phraseology to interpret. Zoning is itself very complex. And one of the things that the design standards can do is to make that just more accessible. And we focus a lot on that. And also, as part of this scope, to look at a couple sites, which may include one of the earlier ones, to talk about the implications of the design standards. And we were on the bus tour on Saturday and had a very good turnout again on the most beautiful day of the year. And many of the people here were on that tour. And visited, for me, the Walgreen site near Spipon. Phenomenal redevelopment opportunity touches two of those three corridors, really transformative potential if it were done right. So I feel that what we can do in the next couple months is reinforce those considerations in the master plan, show how they come down to ground in a very physical way. And if I may so, I think educate the public about what are otherwise fairly difficult things to understand in terms of urban design. And by example, height is a very contentious issue. People are very concerned about it, but it's actually a very blunt tool to determine whether or not a development is actually fits in or not. There's lots of things you can do in height to make it better, more integrated. And that's one of the things that design standards would do would be to try to illuminate the complexity surrounding building height as it relates to relationship to a street, as it relates to topography, as it relates to adjoining the butters and properties. And that's just one example. And so when we look at design standards, we look at very fundamental things, massing, building height, the interface with the public realm, the relationship between the building and the street edge, issues of materiality, issues of sustainability, which obviously should run through all of the aspects of the design standards. And try to, I guess, make these things a little bit more digestible. So we feel, I think, well-prepared having gone through the master planning process and working with the committee. We have done some initial studies and we'll build on those moving forward. I think people will be actually very interested in seeing what the implications of the standards are because as much as we can try to visualize them unless you actually choose a property, it still becomes a little bit arbitrary or abstract. And so these studies, I think, will be really useful to test people's tolerance for, well, let's take that site between the Walgreens site. It's obviously functioning business. There's a desire to keep commercial activity in town that's perfectly understandable. But if there's a desire to enhance connectivity to the town's natural assets, to have maybe some open space, to have a more active street frontage as opposed to suburban prototype, there are trade-offs there. You create open space corridors that might require a certain greater density in certain locations of the site. There is actually a great change there that's very specific and that could be capitalized upon to address issues of parking. There is a connection to the bikeway. There's obviously a desire to, particularly on that site, think about the relationship between East Armitin and Arlington Center. That's a great development site. So we're really excited. This is really what we do, we tend to work. But I like to say it's in the space of conflict. We feel comfortable negotiating positions like this where there's gonna be strong opinions about development from a butters and from the residents surrounding the site. There's obviously aspirations that the town has for redevelopment and redevelopment board. So we enjoy working in this space. I think it's perfect timing. And I feel that not having this, being a six-month process can actually be beneficial. There's a certain amount of planning fatigue that can set in in general. And particularly as you go to town meeting in a couple of weeks, I think it'd be really great to say one of the first major implementation steps is to get these standards out there so people know what to expect. And we're really excited about that. So we did do some initial national research in terms of design standards and guidelines. And that's what that packet represents. So I guess we can, I don't know if you have any questions. I don't really expect you to read it, but or answer any questions immediately but we're happy to do so. What we try to do is to canvas what's out there now of what are the aspects of the design standards that are maybe applicable to Arlington. And we don't expect you to read things on the right-hand side. Those are actually excerpts from the individual city or town guidelines. We think that they can be translated to what the town needs here. And the other thing I guess I would say, we don't want you to feel like what we're producing will just be an amalgamation of everything else out there. We feel like it's really important that people recognize in this visual preference survey we really want to show local examples of issues of height or signage or relationship to street. And so we'll try to tailor it more specifically to the towns, institutions and buildings. We hope that the product of this will provide this board and possibly the zone board appeals with design guidelines, even before the zoning by-law is updated. Ideally, these would be graphic concepts that would be incorporated into a zoning update so that we won't have to use words. We won't have to use words to describe these concepts or just sit back and height. We can use graphics, which are easier and preferable. There's a three sites that we looked at as part of the master plan. It's the Mirac site, the Miami case site, what I call it, the Gateway of the United States. And a site along Broadway. You find out about Leone Park, you know. Yeah, it's like right now. Yeah. By time, let's see. Yeah, school is cool. So we took a look at, assuming a certain density, you know, land use mix, what the development could occur there in ways that foster relationships, connections to neighborhoods included open space. It was interesting when you mentioned about the photograph of the park fearing that people would interpret that we're suggesting new parks and you know, that may not be the right feeding, but one of the aspects of the site guideline should be to ensure that the park, the open space that is built as part of any development actually is meaningful, is activated, has a good relationship to the street, et cetera. Yeah, I think Yanyi was saying the opposite, which is that we're gonna commercialize park parks. Yeah. Not that we only have more parks. No parks would, I think, people would like, but there's no question. Any questions? David, what are the next steps, I mean? So we're sort of drawing out some of the models that you've found across the country and then is it, tell me what happens next. Yeah, so we're going to try to summarize the comments that came out of the tour. There were two walking tours on one on Mass Ave, on the Broadway and then the bus tour. There's about three dozen people, which I think for our beautiful Saturday afternoon was, I was impressed and they stayed the whole day, you know, 10 to two, or 10 to noon and then two to four. So we're gonna summarize that, we're gonna cross-reference it with the zoning inventory that Judy did as part of her analysis under the master plan and then also cross-reference it with all the feedback we got from the three public meetings and try to distill a framework for the standards, something that people can use to navigate through what the design standards represent. And we don't yet know what that means, but we do like the idea that Milbrook, Mass Ave and the bikeway have different characters, might have different scales, have different relationships to the streets. So we're thinking, again, we haven't really gotten into it, but we're thinking that might be an interesting way to try to structure how one anticipates redevelopment and what those goals might be. So just food for thought and again, we're very open to different structures, but that's kind of an interesting way to make a very place specific. I don't think we're gonna expect David to rewrite the zoning, but to talk about how it integrates with the zoning. Maybe we'll help us get launched on the rewriting of the zoning. Yeah, yeah. It should inform. Yeah, for example. And prioritize it, you know, which are the most important things that we need to do first. We just did some for Watertown and we basically feathered in the standards which are different than the guidelines, the standards, the rule of law, the guidelines, the recommendations, or the aspirations. We feathered it into the zoning by law in a way that was color coded to the different topics that we established. So you guys are actually right where you should be, which is to say a lot of communities are moving away from use-based zoning to more form-based zoning. We think that these standards and guidelines could be a stepping stone to a more ambitious and maybe in some ways more painful effort to go through of rewriting the zoning. And this is a very good, I think, first step towards that. So potentially what comes out of this would be illustrations that go into the zoning by-law. This show, okay. Yeah. So a developer comes for her and she wants to know what can I do, you know, some docking and not the full thing, but there's some. We like to produce posters, something that's easily discernible. You can get the snapshot of what's being recommended and then there's a bigger document. So we imagine some type of product and we haven't spoken about what that exactly is, but something that can be synthesized into the basics. And then if you wanna know the details, you can go to those more specific points. What does it get, eventually it gets put, you said feathered in, it becomes part of the zoning as an interim step. We have yet to determine whether we're going to be doing a single massive overhaul of the zoning by-law or doing incremental steps. That would be a very imminent decision. I think once the implementation committee is formed, that's something that the implementation committee, the board and the staff really have to try to wrestle which is how do we approach the zoning update? But to be more direct in answering your question, these guidelines will be put to work right away, whether it's to assist the boards who are already reviewing development changes. But I'm hopeful that we will ultimately see this work into the zoning update. I'd like to hear how that could happen. That sounds really interesting. So you'll be recruited as opposed to having to do a form-based code, it's such a climb. It is, yes. But if there was a way to somehow knit it together somehow. Well, that is exactly the aspiration. It's a set of design guidelines that are more graphically oriented that represent the aspirations of the master plan and that have a relationship to the zoning ordinance. And I'd like to think of it as carteroscopic surgery versus open heart surgery. If you start with that, you try to align them in terms of the language mainly and figure out where the pieces fit and use that as a stepping stone to get something more base that is needed. Which it will be over time, but a form-based code would get two-year effort actually and I don't know if there's tolerance in the community to do something that I don't want to say drastic, but it is a heavy lift. I think a lot of communities are going that way, but it just, it takes time. It's good to get folks used to a certain language a little bit. Can I pick up on your question, Bruce? Yeah, please. Just keep going a little bit. So this is a great outline. Fantastic, I think, it has 14 points that summarize all those things that go into the actual physical fabric of what we might be saying. How will we have time to get into this in more detail with you? How does that happen? Does it happen with the implementation committee? What's the process of this board learning about this kind of stuff and be part of this? That's a better question for Carol. Our scope is basically for the next two and a half months to begin to take what we know, what we've learned, what the community has said, try to translate that into a series of graphics that relate to those aspirations and to Arlington specifically. At that point, that would be as a draft guidelines. I saw we see that as a milestone in four to six weeks essentially, maybe the end of May. And at that point, there'll be opportunities for feedback. I also see there's a lot of refinement with a fairly aggressive goal of trying to get something by the end of June. So the feedback's coming from the planning we've got right now. We're working on it. At the moment, yes. But we would welcome your participation. This is your field. You know more about it than we do. I'm just saying for the board to... Yeah, well, definitely I think you would come back to the board one more time. Yeah, that's written there. Yeah, but if you want to engage before that, let's talk about how we can do that. Well, any iterations of the work that we get from David could go with the board as well. Maybe that's the way we're going and we can have comment because we can have our own session on it. So if we understand this, do we have a question about that? And even this document would be interesting to talk through a little bit and understand how each case really relates to the subject. Yep. Yep. And then any questions we have? We could discuss here with Carol and what we always get related to you. In the absence of a really progressive public engagement process that deals specifically with the standards, I think having a direct discussion about the elements that it relates to the physical character of the time with you all is really important. I think the community can't feel like these are being foisted upon them. There has to be some general sense that this is a collective aspiration and it relates to what's going on in the town, so. Great. I think that sounds perfect. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. I'm excited. Thank you. Thank you. I look forward to reading this. Yeah. It's interesting. David, did you get that sun from Saturday? I did. I know. After six months of sub-zero weather, it wasn't prepared for the tour. Sorry, we did that to you. Oh, it's beautiful. So if anyone's been here for these two items, you're perfectly free to head out. Don't feel like you stick around, but there is no more to that item. Yes. Laura. That's good. So on the agenda, it says how do you protection plan, but it actually has a protection kind of difference. We applied for a grant for state funds about, I would say, for a program where they will pay for a consultant to help you work on a housing protection plan. A housing protection plan is kind of the state of art. It's something that the state has laid out. This is what it is. And it can help you get grants and it can help you with comprehensive permit applications and stuff like that. So we got, we found out on Friday that we got it $15,000 and we'll be hiring a consultant to help us, but obviously we will be wanting to guide them. And my thinking, our thinking was that you guys would oversee it, but have like a citizen review committee of some kind, and maybe one of you would sit on that review committee with like the housing corporation for Arlington, the housing authority, maybe the council on aging, maybe someone from the real estate community. Those were just my initial thoughts. Maybe we can spend some more ideas. So the town did its last housing plan in 2005, and it was at that time an affordable housing task force that oversaw it, but that body is not active anymore. Just to say what a housing production plan is, there's basically three parts. The first part is the housing needs assessment, which is based on existing demographics, projections of future demographics, identifying the development constraints, which I would say in this town is very built up. There's not a lot of vacant parcels, and there's not a lot of large parcels, very small parcels. And the town's capacity for infrastructure to support more development. Then you set your affordable housing goals, taking into consideration the demographics and the other things in the first part. And then the last part is implementation strategies, which might include modifying the zoning, adding mixed use, increased height or density, excess apartments would be some examples of strategies. And then they ask you finally to identify specific sites appropriate for new housing. So it's a kind of a formula. Everybody who does it answers those three or four questions. So it's pretty much laid out for you. I see the consultant being the most helpful in terms of looking at our demographics. I'm not a specialist in census data. And I think it's useful to really, and I think honestly, we haven't done a great job of that in the past. So that's one of the things I would look for in a consultant. So what do you get after you do the housing production plan? And then that is... Well, it will help us to figure out again, if it fits into the master plan in the sense that it's, it may lead to changes in zoning. In terms of the state of... To meet the demands that are set out because you've got the census. So it's about, okay. It's about looking at your demographics and the future demographics. I mean, we have more aging. So this is not affordable. It's not specifically that. I mean, that's part of it, but aging. Right, exactly. It's part of it, but it's not only that. Got it. Yeah. And I think that aging in place and all of that demographic shift has happened since we did our last plan. We didn't address that at all. And then we don't address that now in terms of our housing policies. And also the increasing number of young families and impact that's having on the schools. So things have changed in that 10 year period. It can help you with a comprehensive permit proposal to be able to say to the state, look, it's not that we don't support affordable housing, but this is what we want to see happen as opposed to what might be being proposed. It's not an ironclad thing that you can assume or get you out of anything, but it's something that the state wants us to do. So it's just kind of one more thing. Like it's the same thing that Carol was talking about before where it puts you in a stronger position for getting more grants or for anything you need from the state, which we need stuff from the state all the time. So is that, you know, you can say, we're addressing our housing needs. We're not pulling up the gates. So maybe you want to think about if who would like to work with us on that. Do you have a list here of possible consultants? Well, in this case, the state has already approved a large number of consultants. So we don't have to do a full procurement. So I do have a few people that I know, but I haven't talked to anybody yet. Okay. And is there anybody else you think should be on the committee besides the people that I... Could you review for the board who you suggested? HCA, Housing Corporation of Arlington, Arlington Housing Authority, Council on Aging, real estate community, and ARB. Yeah, I'd be a staff and a consultant, too. And I'm hoping that we can start maybe the beginning of the summer and be done by the winter. You know, I don't see this being a long time for women. Oh, are you found here? I'm so happy to have you. I could try. I could try. I could try. There's no volunteer, but Mike can have it. That's okay. We have so much in store for this board. That's right. And that implementation table. It'll be fun for everyone. Fun for everyone. I think housing is fun. That'd be great. Whichever you want to do. I'll do it. Okay. I'll do it. Great. Okay. Do they, and I guess the consultant, covers, or who covers the emerging young, young population of Arlington that are... You mean who would be on the committee to represent that community? Maybe we need someone from the schools or someone who... I was wondering about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. PTO? Yeah. Elementary? Like a parent? Yeah. That's a great idea. You always need so much to learn the PowerPoint. Yeah. That's good. I handle all the texts. You need a high school kid. Teenager. I just know where the odd off button is. I'm a 13-year-old consultant. Yeah. That's a good idea. So when do you think, do you have any sense yet for the board on the milestones or when this will really start, when we'll roll up our sleeves, when the board will really engage? Probably the fall. At the same time as everything else happens. I think we'll have to get the committee going and the consultant hired. Those are the first two steps. And I'm hoping we can do those things by say the June something, maybe the beginning or the end of June. And then the consultant can be working during the summer because it's always hard to have meetings during the summer. And so then maybe by the fall, we can start on the content, you know, the meet of it. Like have one meeting before the summer and then one at the beginning of the fall or the end of the summer. Get to writing it. I mean, if there are any recommendations that come out of it, it would be good to be able to get those in front of town meetings next year rather than wait another one year. There might not be a lot of things that would need to go to 10 a.m. I wouldn't think that for summer. It's just starting to think about this. I think the timeframe will work well with 10 a.m. Excellent. Great. Thank you. Excellent. And it's, I'm gonna yield my fun to my colleagues because I've just placed my purchase of the weekend. So I approve it. Oh, I reviewed them. I thought they looked good. I wouldn't have them. I reviewed them too. I had two changes. One on the second page, the third sentence down to Mr. West. Last, if the user property was amended at all. I would say it's section regarding the user property for all the amendments at all. And then, where it says Mr. Bernal said he appreciated the Clinton Park, it's a C, okay. Does anybody know what's sitting here? They still want to have this number. And that's an E instead of A. Oh, did you take the number? Yeah, that's completely misspelled, so we'll correct that. But other than that, I thought you were great. I had nothing else. You were too accepted. And it's at March 30th, 2015, putting the I-L-T redevelopment board. Second. All in favor? Aye. Abstain. I have a quick question. Can I return to the book charge for a second? To you, Carol. Can we, when you're ready? Okay. Because I got the lay of the land a little bit from Bruce's question and my question. Can the board see any kind of scope document that would help us understand? Sure. If they think they're doing. The RFP and the proposal. Mm-hmm, I don't like that point of view. And then we can get fit in a little bit better so we understand how it's working. It's so important, but I get the whole time frame and this will help us, I think, ask some questions. I'll get the RFP and the proposal to you. Does it work fairly well for you when I put things in Dropbox? That's fine. Just to me, yeah. Okay, good. All right. And then eventually we can have the same from Laura because she'll, you know, that'll help us figure out that it's down the line. I'll do the same for the housing production. That's all right. Yeah, yeah. And then strategizing my next few meetings. Mm-hmm. Because that comes out of timing. I'm eating four times a week. You know, we're doing the 27th of November, the over fours of the time we eat. Is that the first night? Yeah, yeah. So we eat here before? Yeah, and then head over. Yeah. Are we upset with the RFP? We've got no action. And the other one is the signs. The signs. Yeah, your vote went forward into the Sluffin's office and it went out, or will go out to town meeting members. And our report's done? Yes, that was given to the Sluffin's office and that ARB report will go into the packet that I'll tell you about this receipt. Do we see the vote? Or was there an explanation on the sign as well? I wasn't here for the hearing, so I probably wouldn't have commented regardless. And if we reflect it, was it Rio? The report compiled your vote on the three articles. So that went into the standard report. All right, we did see that. We did see that. We did see that. We did see that. So we have received a note from Christian Klein inquiring about that. Did he get in touch with you on the sign? He was wanting to say something about the sign for help us present. I saw Christian and Sarah and went to all of the talks. Yeah, because he's a sponsor. He's a sponsor. And I said, well, typically what would happen is we'd present and he'd be the first one whom the town moderator would typically recognize. And I said, you know, to check in with you, but my experience has been he should check in with John and let him know, check in with the moderator and let him know that he's the sponsor and would like to be first on the list, which is typically provided to the person's sponsors. I'll call Christian just to make sure. He had a CCG on it, so I just kind of gave him what I perceived as the label and but asked him to check in with you or the moderator. So maybe he checked in with John. So this is mostly in preparing for how to present, how to be prepared to present his article. So I hate to ask, but who's presenting that? You'll present that for us. I suppose. Because of the territory? Yeah, the territory. Especially since the next one's all the way to 46. Yeah. It's also, I mean, it's pretty straight. Our part of it's pretty straight forward too, right? I mean, we're just taking, we're dropping a little bit out of the zoning bylaw. Right. Because it's more theirs, right? It's really there. And so is there a, is it the same article or is it a different article for that piece of it? It must be a different article. It has to be two separate votes, I believe. I don't know. I don't know for sure how the board settled down. I don't know where they settled, but I was at the meeting with the board's weapons anyway considering whether to do it as two, two votes. Well, it has to be two votes. Yeah, it has to be two votes. The zoning bylaw amendment requires a two-thirds vote. And the public's article, it says it's a general bylaw with a required majority, which is two-thirds. I mean, that can't be the same line. Two votes. I've never seen that before. Except for maybe a budget. Yeah, it was at the same meeting, and I can't remember them splitting that into two. All right. Well, I don't know. It won't be in the end. It's going to be more on them than it is almost. I'm going to try to find out when. Especially if there's two votes, then maybe we should be coordinating. Because when the board's weapons report is ready, you can see how they're breaking down that article. So they can know to get that. You'll want that. That was the other piece I told them, too, is that I knew that the board of select men had been involved, and so that would be the other people that maybe you should. So when is that? Is that, you said the 27th? Yes. Two weeks. Wow. Yeah. Anything else? Oh, I feel qualified to make this motion. Go for it. I move that we adjourn. I'll second that motion. All in favor. Aye. Great. Thank you. Thanks.