 Here we go Welcome to the world of the internet. Oh shit. Oh god, it's space stuff. Duh Floating through the internet Hello there eFap nation. I'm your host killer moller star and let's get right into the media Yeah, so I'm gonna talk over the music now Never watched a Keemstar show, so I don't know what the but the format is Keemstar video damn. No, I've never watched Drama alerts rags What's the matter with you? It feels okay. I feel like I'm gonna be okay I Come back when you watched every episode of drama I'll be a different person Yeah, right there'll be a homework for the next eFap watch every episode of drama alert, please I'll just come back and I'll be a hateful prick That's if you're not that already you're on eFap. That's true. That's true No, I don't like any of you or anything we talk about so it's all hell anyway. Hello Oblique It'd be funny if like we did run a media show like that. I was like now over to gaming weather with rags Yeah, the weather is looking at nothing I mean, it's it's all of it really because you guys roll over the world It's hard to be local about this shit. I guess it's also gamer weather would just be a meteorologist explaining what inside is like You're like well, it's it's actually really nice kind of all the time Depends on where you live, you know, you got good if you got good insulation is pretty nice Have you got like duct and air conditioning? Yeah, but you know some people they don't have those things and it's important for gamers to have an awareness The rest of the world and how much better they have it in We've got some new studies on whether or not you open your window Looks like there's gonna be a shower of n words later Anyway, hi everyone I Sent free a screenshot of that There was apparently a post on like the halo subreddit or whatever They were like why are people twerking on top of me when I die. It's like, how old are you like 10? I was waiting for for a good moment to slide that in I'm so sorry. I got you That's spotless twerking I'm old yeah, I didn't want to be old I didn't ask for this but there it is Yeah, if it's like legit rather than just a joke is usually one day like is teabagging dad. Is that a cultural? No, I know I've seen it. I'm just saying like is it too far gone for the new generation to pick up or will they adopt it? Probably adopt it once they learn about it once they realize that all they have to do is just you know Crouch repeatedly over someone that they kill it. I mean, it's so easy. It's very accessible super inclusive I guess the idea is You know, do people like the idea of basically like smacking Robert Downey jr. Said in Tropic Thunder dangling your dice It was great, and I think halo to where you would like stand up after crouching and you kind of suck the ragdoll corpse It's something like a feature that I hope they didn't remove because my They took out collision and infinite we can talk about that dead. Yeah. Oh so many things to discuss Hello, you fab chat. How would you do? Welcome? Welcome. This is a little e-fab one six, too I feel we don't have to introduce any gas or anything. I mean everyone knows these guys at this point, right? You're all famous. Yeah, you know me fab circuit. Yeah, sorry. It's me again We're back and we're talking about video games. I've seen people be like more video games like well Here we go Because we've all played this hello multiplayer It's pretty pretty neat. It's got guns in it So, yeah, that's my input anyone else got any thoughts about it. No, I think we're done. Yeah. All right. Good. Well I guess we could carry on to Our next topic. There's one of those ones where it wasn't like a homework thing So I don't even know that wait was this free. It was free, right? Yeah, all right. There was homework Retroactively because it's free Mahler played it and he's like was this free I've I've been non-stop editing I couldn't even remember if I'd paid for this game or not I was just like well, I gotta play it. We can chat about it Wait, didn't you guys get the best-seller points pack for a hundred twenty-nine ninety-nine dollars for ten thousand points to buy MLG suits and other no, I obviously I actually I ran out of money after I bought the color white for twenty fucking dollars I thought you were just gonna say no, I have a soul Okay, well, I mean There's nothing else for us to do other than say like yes, we should start talking about it I'm gonna look for some good old gameplay for the background for the viewers to enjoy But um, this is really not something I feel that comfortable in directing as a conversation I would suggest either friggin or rags do it this time around because I'm just so unfamiliar with Haley I'm not sure rags might have played I played ten hours. Oh, I played like 15 hours I'm the captain now What I find is interesting is over the last over the last week Me and a group of friends. We've sort of delved into like four New games, so we've had quite the medley of stuff to play Halo being amongst them we've put about ten hours into it Alright, I guess we could do the thing we do with movies or shows All right So rag is Right so far. Oh, well, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I go. I'm just an outdoor event. All right. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine overall, I think it's fine I Don't have Very strong feelings about it either way. I see this being a game that once it's you know fully released and you know Tweaked a little bit. I'll be playing a decent amount over time As content is added to it, you know, I'll look forward to that coming out Won't be in my main list of go-to games, but I think I'll play it fairly often I don't feel too strongly Positively or negatively about it, but I've mostly liked it and Yeah, there you go That's me Core gameplay I think is really good. I have a lot of fun just going around and shooting folks in the game Everything around the game is what's concerning me right now That that's the really short version of it Well, our name is getting smaller and more valley Yeah, so because I've been just doing non-stop different Activities that aren't games and so like I was just like okay jump in how do I play this game big team battle quick Play go go go and they just put a bunch of hours into it So I am like blissfully unaware of a lot of the the matter as you might call it Of how different transactional things work or how people have been commenting on this I have literally just got an experience of Shooting and working to complete things and playing with these maps So that's where I'm gonna be more interested in discussing stuff But also very interested in hearing what this game's been up to and I'm I'll try and figure out what's going on with watch together It's very laggy right now for me, which is wrong Could be Could be something to do in my PC, but I've got very little processes happening right now So I'll try and knock some few off while we're talking, but yeah, I Have had quite a bit of fun standard frustration as you get with FPS competitive stuff But I've I've enjoyed the maps. I've enjoyed the guns Special mention to the sounds and the power of the guns felt quite good to me But I'd need to play it way more to get a more solid handle on exactly what we're dealing with here John I I'm with Rags, it's like it's fine. It's got punchy sound design It looks really nice. It plays solid. I had more fun with it than I thought I would I thought it would I would be just kind of meh with it But I was quite engaged enough to play it for a few solid hours and Have a good time. I mean, it's free. That's a big plus It's it really is a huge plus. Yeah, no kidding. Well, it's free asterisks I've got yeah, I mean, I've got kind of There's kind of a sinister aspect to that I feel where I think it uses the fact that it's free to kind of normalize these You know, my current transaction he kind of trends and Like I think there's more or that type of thing. Sorry guys There's also an asterisk though, isn't there multiplayer is free. Oh So campaign is worth the full price then as opposed to in the old games where Campaign multiplayer including forge and firefight, which were there at launch Were just part of that man that campaigns got to be real fucking big I guess in in case no one's aware this model for Halo Infinite because games don't just fucking release Especially Halo games. Just don't release finished anymore. We just stopped doing that Cuz it's yeah three four three, I don't think they've done it yet Have they well, so so this is this is the model right now This is technically the beta, but this is content complete This is everything that's going to be in the multiplayer on December 8th. So it's out multiplayer is out campaign comes out December 8th Campaign co-op is not gonna be there until at the earliest May of 2022 and for which it's gonna be after that It's a big Because I haven't played a lot of Halo before this one in multiplayer. What exactly does forge do So for just like map builder you can build match It's a very versatile tool to create content for Halo It's a really great feature that has always done well for Halo in terms of like custom games and really fun modes like um, I think Like you know where you'd have like mongoose races on these custom tracks built in the sky or I Remember there was one where it's like this a shredder where a bunch of destroyed vehicle parts would tumble down a hill As you try to run to the top. There's a lot of cool things you can do with it Yeah, for just really very expansive with the amount of stuff that you can do in terms of Options and player settings and rules and the maps that you can create. It's really really excellent for just really fantastic And I don't know why I want to have my finished game because I And here's something to think about this game was meant to come out last year. Yeah It got a year to life Yeah, it shocked me if this game would have launched and considering now The the state this game would have been in a year from a year earlier Just it would have been a catastrophe Yes, I think that's safe to say There the idea that Campaign is going to be this the thing you buy Now hopefully We're thinking well if now you spend the 60 bucks and you just get the campaign Surely that means that it will be an extremely Very content filled campaign it's long there's all kinds of different maps to it There's all sorts of different times Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of cutscenes that look really excellent and some really good You know voice work and music things of that nature. Surely because they're not even charging for multiplayer and stuff Surely right, but I'm very worried very worried John do you have anything else to add to you like big ol thesis statement? Well, I was just gonna add to the when we were talking about forge Yeah, it's unique in that all the object placement is in real time with like the physics engine running the whole time and anybody can turn into What's called a monitor, which is like, you know 343 guilty spark from the games It's like that model where you turn into that and then you can place whatever you want and like people can be like fighting each other as players while Someone or you know a number of people are floating around as monitors spawning things at the same time It's quite a fun dynamic sandbox. I've really seen that in other games So it's it's a it's a cool mode ever since it was implemented in halo 3 But it's it's a bummer that it's coming Separately, I wish they had just waited and just included everything forge in the campaign mode and just delayed it Again a bit longer It just feels it doesn't it doesn't feel right to have just a multiplayer coming out And in it then the state that it's in and then It's just we're gonna just sort of drip feed you the other things later after many month gaps It just feels like it you can't help but feel like this is an incomplete experience that they're just sort of It when it's done, we'll put it out for you. I guess Whatever that is Yeah, I mean if if what we're paying for is the campaign essentially then I hope it packs a punch because like the halo campaigns of They can they can drag really sometimes with like repetitive level design and Because everything's just the same kind of like met big giant metal Doors and floors and walls everywhere and it's okay. I get it like it feels like that over and over sometimes but Some of the the halo games Pack quite an emotional punch like I found that with Halo 4, which is I think like the least Rated game in the whole series probably the weakest overall There are elements in that came the campaign. I found really engaging. Sorry to interrupt I Agree, I think hello for has some cool stuff I think my only problem with halo 4 is that I'm not sure how well it fits into the series Like we have a cheap talks a lot more now and it's like that's cool But that's also not who he is. So that's very sudden change, you know But I do like the stuff that goes on with him It's more like the actual plot that I find pretty weak the plot itself rather than the Than the character dynamics Are you talking about halo 4? Yeah, so like halo 4 plots and a lot of the stuff it introduces in terms of world building and like the didact and everything I think that's incredibly weak and and also predicts a lot of halo law, but Yeah, like the characters I Actually forget the overall plot in Halo 4. Yeah Again, but some what what really stuck with me was Cortana's rampancy. I thought that was a terrific plot device and I agree. Yeah, like destabilizing for the player because Cortana has always been like the Kind of the ground wire for not only Master Chief But the player because she kind of guides you through everything and she's slowly losing her sanity and deteriorating and I thought that was a really interesting Way to go and I want more of that because like Cortana is the only kind of human element that's that's grounding chief and preventing him from just being like a This kind of soulless killing machine, you know and so now We're playing in halo infinite. We're playing his chief without Cortana but he's like searching for her and It may or may not be the case that Cortana is like the main antagonist I expect they'll do a lot plot twist with it, but we'll see but I'm I really hope they do something cool with that So I'm hoping the campaign packs an emotional punch. I'm looking forward to it I hope so too, but I get really worried because Halo 5 is awful campaign wise It's awful and it leaves a sort of really bad place Yeah, I've I found Halo 5 pretty irritating as well. Yeah, I think that's I think irritating is is a good way to put it So that's a game that is trying very hard to be something that is just What we misguided story decisions, I think is the right way to put it Yeah, not only in terms of like plot structure, but I didn't like the enemies like the light based Alien things. It's just like robots. Yeah, it's just there. There's no like I Don't know. I prefer like fighting organic Aliens with like blood effects and stuff. I don't care about like Robot light based enemies that just kind of disappear when you kill them. It's boring I don't know. I think the main issue with the Prometheans is that I don't really understand who they are or what they once because they're just Robots that are attacking you and they don't seem to have much of a will of their own whereas like the Covenant or They're like an organization. They're a faction with objectives and goals in mind that are based on like the religion And of course the flood just wants to take everything over but the grave mind is an element there of a I guess will and Choices and things like that whereas I don't say the Prometheans at all Yeah And then with the new trilogy starting with Halo 4 they went with like the big bad alien enemy cliche Yeah, the diet actor, whatever his name is. He's just like, yeah I'm this big shredded alien and I'm gonna destroy the universe like the previous games are a little more interesting in their antagonism because the first game was like Like the the enemies in that game are like essentially the flood and then 343 guilty spark But you don't find that out until later And it didn't do like the big bad alien wants to destroy the the universe thing Not that that's necessarily a bad thing But I felt that it was handled kind of clunkily in well for I mean if you remember the idea there was that are This is like Halo 4 feels like a very big retcon in terms of a lot of things that introduces about the the story Humans Humans for runner and everything to do with that because I think that was the twist was the Prometheans were actually ancient humans You've got turned into robots because there was a war between humans and for runners because Humans have the mantle of responsibility and the for runners don't and that's what the diet acted like but Pretty sure throughout all of the Halo trilogy It was it was it was literally explicit like right at the end of Halo 3 that humans and for runner one and the same They are the same thing There was no difference, but there is a difference because the diet act is a for runner. It's an alien And and then also like chief is the super specialist most bestest guy in the galaxy Like he was supposed to exist and ordained by that floating librarian lady. Oh boy Like he I really don't like that What are because because in all the hail against like oh, yeah chief's lucky It's like well, that's abstract that can like like he's not actually lucky He just that's just something people deserve about him is that he tends to be in the right place at the right time to save The world and everything and that's like nah. All right. No, that's not That's not the case actually he was basically forced by the four others. It's like That's like really generic Yeah, like you've lost. Oh Yeah, I guess you can't just be good at your job anymore No, you are the bestest coolest most specialist person you are a special Chosen one and the destiny is it's a thing the stuff and it's it's it's yeah, I Not being found of that Oh, well, do you have anything for the multi? Player I guess. Oh Hmm It it was fine, it's it's pretty good I just it's never gonna be the same as what it was for me, you know It makes me kind of sad like it. It's not gonna be like the halo two days Cuz I you know, it's it's the youth and that I miss and like the Live is different. Yeah, yeah, she youth It was a wrap. It was a ruchy a crazier place. Yeah, nobody talks online Like barely on a halo infinite, but with Xbox live when you bought the package It came with the headset and it was maybe this for the best We want you to go out there and talk to people and we know you're gonna be shit talked and do a lot of shit talking But that's part of it Yeah, well, they're racing that gradually I think Battlefield is any signature. Oh, yeah in battlefield Yeah, they're just trying to sterilize that game as much as possible. Well, they don't want to get cancelled for something Someone says in it. I know. Yeah The dynamic the playing field is totally changed now. It's not the Wild West anymore Yeah, people are afraid of saying spicy shit online and that's the Big that I miss that in large part like there's no pregame lobbies anymore I noticed in Halo and that was part of the fun in Halo 2 and modern warfare 2 after that where it was even worse Where you go into a lobby full of 16 people and you had the really young kids And you had like this a super edgy teenagers and like Young 20 something guys who would like shout n words and swear and and and make fun of the little kids for just for being kids And it was just a shit show, right? And you would you know, you would laugh and throw it back occasionally because nobody cared But it's that that world is gone now and yeah But you know, it doesn't have to be all toxic people can obviously still have a good time online But I just noticed there just isn't a lot of player Player-to-player interaction generically like like if if you're just I know you can create like a party and like you know talk amongst yourselves as friends, but like if you're just jumping in solo and With other like solo people, which is usually the case I think Usually nobody bothers to like plug in their microphone or the connector Bluetooth headset or whatever because it's not It's not this readily. We're at the point now. I feel like everyone's in like voice services of other kinds when playing this of any Or even in parties with friends, we're all playing different games like I feel like we have kind of moved away from it But also it's getting discouraged. I would argue as well Is the expectation anyway because I remember finding a whole bunch of friends as a result of Xbox 360 Just being like hey, you were good. Let's play again. Okie-dokie and then you talk about No Um, but yeah, you just like In battlefield you really you might as well just be playing against bots. You just might as well right Halo That doesn't feel like that bad to a degree I still feel like just in-game stuff because it's a lot more close because like especially if you're doing more 4v4's that there's a bit more closeness between you and the other team, but it's not like it used to be You just don't have the opportunity to I heard with battlefield 2042 that that's literally the case where they'll throw in bots amongst the real players and you you're not even really sure Who's real and who's not and what's the point the the issues that you you can tell the difference? It's because I think it'll fill up empty lobbies If lobbies are missing people it will fill up the spots with bots and that's a game with 128 people in it which is disastrous and But but the the NPCs in battlefield will be and I get this is a cool idea They'll look like soldiers in a war and So you could see them and it's kind of like immersive to a degree Oh No, like they have like uniforms and they look like soldiers who are fighting in some kind of a war Okay, I'm two different slides that are they look a bit different. No, no, no as opposed to what the players look like I was gonna say at least you still catch the beam Because obviously we don't know about the customization. Is it Something that comes it. What's the default look for that game and for place officer and played it? There isn't really you choose between Battlefield is where the Russian army fights the US army and there are no Russian or US soldiers So that's great Yeah, all the players are specialists you choose between one of 10 specialists and they're very they're very special and they have their own names and backstories and They have their own sexual orientations and hopes and dreams and desires and because you can write a little profile like I was born Kansas, I always dreamed of joining the army And they don't really look like Soldiers for the most part and they're they're very standout and unique. So it's weird to see them next to each other Right, but the NPCs look like soldiers like you there's little different models for the you know Soldiers and stuff. So that's that's that's nice to see that I see That's interesting. I didn't know that I'm a little foggy on battlefield 2042. I look. Oh, yeah, don't worry about it Yeah, that's that's more of just a meta thing at this point in terms of first-person shooters We are very much in the era of hyper super duper operators specialists and hero characters because People are more receptive to the idea of skin when they have characters to a fixed into like instead of just having Generic soldiers who have which it's funny. That makes halo a little bit Unique still yeah, I was gonna say the game Halo feels much more to me like a modern a virgin virgin Wow a modern a version of what I played before while the game like for example rags describe a battlefield I feel like I'd be an alien playing that game. Yeah To be an alien if you wanted in Halo 3 and yeah I Do we actually skip over you doing your intro for you. I know I think I'll I'll I'll give my intro now, okay Yeah, yeah, go for it. So my general observation is I think Halo infinite at its core is pretty fun I think it's pretty cool game. I like the shooting. I like the running around. I like the maps I like the sandbox. It's a really fun game at its core But oh no pretty much everything surrounding it I think there are some significant problems and they are significant in a way that I think may If they don't remedy these issues quickly Make it so that the game loses a lot of its Player base very quickly. Yeah Yeah, that that is my concern right now that there are issues that need resolving that might not be that easy to do If they want to make sure that they they keep a community around because that's the reason to go free to play It's to grab the biggest audience possible But if there isn't enough stuff here right now when the most people are going to be playing it a lot of those People might just end up moving on to different games because the big issues that I see right now Progression is dog shit. It's absolute And you know, it's it's fucking awful. It's I heard they just updated it knew it It's so sure. Well, they have kind of updated it But the problem is that the update so because it this will be a whole topic So we might we might do that one first The issue so it used to be in Halo that you could pick whatever colors you wanted You would have a few armor sets to start with and as you played Depending on how well you were playing in terms of getting experience and things like that You can unlock new things or do challenges and stuff like that But the progression system now is you start off with very little You start off with incredibly little and you need to get the battle pass You can get some stuff for free but a lot of the cool stuff you don't get for free You got to get the battle pass, which I think it's 10 bucks in America. It's 15 here Yeah, the battle pass lost until May next year and I think that the reason why So it's set till May and then there's like 90 levels that you can go through The only way that you can progress through the levels is getting XP from challenges You don't have in-game XP that you it doesn't matter how well you played It doesn't matter whether you want or lost It doesn't matter how you perform in the game except for the challenges you do the challenge Yeah, you have to do the challenges your in-game Play how well you did Means nothing in terms of progression and so the progression is very slow I'll play for like 15 hours and I'm only up to level six. Yeah, same. Yeah I'm I'm I'm not far behind you because you hit a wall cuz once your challenges are like done You get you did the brakes are absolutely pumped on the the progression speed that you make Yeah, they want you to play you have you have dailies and you have weeklies and Maybe at first you might feel like it's not too bad But once your challenge is run of the dry you are you're just not gonna you're not nothing's gonna happen Once your challenges are sort of done And they'll only get you so far you will crawl Where the majority of the games that you finish will not even get you XP for completing challenges for completing games But the more games you finish the more games it takes to fit well You have to like it change that now So now you get 50 XP for every game you play 50 XP. Oh, wow the piss take Wow 50. That's a joke 1500 It means you would need 20 games because I think most battle pass levels or a thousand XP thousand Yeah, it's 20 games to get up a level if you don't get any of the challenges some of the challenges are specific to Some of the challenges are specific to certain maps Like it will be impossible to like use one of the new pieces of equipment to blow somebody off the map It's like what if you're in a map where there aren't any places for people to fall out You're just barred from doing that There are lots of them that attended to vehicle So you have to play big team battle and I don't know about you guys big team battle very laggy for me like no matter What yeah every single time I get lag really yeah, it's it's yeah The performance on big team battle is mysteriously a huge drop-off from for you for interesting Which affects of course the that you're aiming the aiming in this is even in 4v4. It can be a little floaty and imprecise Which is very with that. I think I think the controls in this game are like hyper precise I I think the controls are pretty excellent like it never feels like I'm not doing what I want to do Well controls are one thing in terms of the mean floaty. What do you mean? Yeah, so I'm talking about specifically aiming Okay So there is if whether it's it's generally frame rate is gonna be the big thing that'll cause it if the frame rate isn't that good Especially if you have a very precise aiming mechanism theoretically like mouse and keep like you're like your mouse The you could sense that there's like that little bit of delay because the frames aren't quite there And I get that with this game sometimes It in 4v4 it comes and goes and I don't know why it comes and goes it should be always great Because this is not a big mode in big team battle. You definitely do feel it It's not terrible, but it's definitely noticeable question the rest of the controls I don't have too much of an issue for me clarification. Does Halo have I don't know if you call it bullet time We're like it takes time for bullets to fire to get to the other player as a hit scan I Think it depends on I don't know about in Halo infinite though I Seems like it's not hit scan because I see like bullets physically in oh, yeah Like flying through the air no matter what weapon is I now so I think it's not hit scan anymore Cuz I can't tell if I agree with this or not because like sometimes I'll shoot right at someone It doesn't work and then I was like oh was it just because they were just too far away And I needed to shoot slightly ahead of them. I'm not sure It might be because of bloom I don't think so okay My understanding is that it's always been hit scan and you can make it look like it's not hit scan by Still having like a graphic like between the player's gun and the target, right? Then again, it has to be different for the weapons, but I actually wouldn't be It'll be different depending on the gun. I meant the primary sort of most commonly Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they used like games in general Always used projectiles over hit scan now just because the frame rate is typically so I like when When you're using projectiles on a game that has a low frame rate, there's a risk of like the projectiles actually not Hitting because it with the target because the frame rate so low that it's kind of and the speed of the projectile is so fast But it's kind of skipping over what it's supposed to be colliding with and it'll just go like Right through or way past what it's supposed to hit But um, yeah, I don't know. I always thought it was hit. I think it's a mix I think it's a mix some things a hit scan and some things projectile I mean some things are projectile obviously like a lot of the plasma weapons. You're like a rocket launchers thing Yeah rocket launchers. I think it's a mix and maybe it's just an effect. It probably is a mix. Yeah I don't I don't think I've often found that I that my shots feel like they're missing when they shouldn't usually feels like I've been more impressed when I have been annoyed with that when I kill people from really far away with a pistol and the Impact of the sounds and how it's accurate to where I'm shooting is like it's felt pretty satisfying It's very crunchy. Yeah I think it was a word to describe the gun play if it was really crunchy and I guess when I talk about like Sorry, it just occurred to me that the plasma weapons are obviously projectiles like yes I was gonna talk about to the whole leg thingy because yeah At least on the European servers when I'm playing like on my own or when I'm streaming it or whatever Like I have like no issues at all that I could tell I had no more issues than I typically do on any game like I only I only I mean I told you about that ringing when we're playing together I was connecting to you and was obviously connected to the Australian servers or whatever service you guys use for for the games Then I have like but that's that's obviously the connection over to Australia But when I'm playing on Europe servers like I was playing with Rendo or when I was on playing on stream No lag also no FPS issues at all even while I was streaming and I was playing on high I think Or medium turn it down So I have like no issues at all and I don't Yeah, I think there's a reason why I hesitate on saying that it's like an issue with the game because it could obviously just be over here I think I think at first I assumed that it might be because I was streaming or because I was playing with you But then I played on my own last night Yeah, I still had some of those issues where it felt like I'd I'd smack somebody dead and then the Prompt would pop up like, you know a quarter of a second. Yeah. Yeah. Remember you're saying that Issues, yeah connected to you I've been dragged back a couple times with my deaths or I'll be killed and I'm like But I was behind a wall then my body like fell really far earlier and I was like, oh, okay Yeah, I've been killed yeah more than I'd like I've been killed by walls a few times. Yeah FPS it could just be poor optimization for certain It could I don't know yet. That's the thing I think I'd like to wait and see if other people have that problem Yeah, before I before I assume that it's a problem with the game I guess the point I'm making is I haven't had much of a good time Playing big-team battle in a lot of instances. Yeah Works really well for me and then issues work Not issues times where it works well times where it doesn't but challenges a contingent on like destroying vehicles So I don't challenge battle and locked out of a a lot of challenges like a lot of the weekly challenges I didn't even look at them. I was unlocking them. I was like, okay, whatever. I'm just here to shoot things Yeah, you'll happen to get there There's some that you can just Yeah Yeah, so there's some like that and then there's some there that are killing air vehicle with an air vehicle So you're like, oh, I got to do this or else I cannot progress in the battle pass or I could use my Challenge swaps, which is what most of the battle pass is A lot of it is Kill with this specific gun you do do some tasks that can be hyper specific potentially Yeah, well, they have to make use where you play. It's like cool. No, you can't so that makes a lot harder Yeah, you get those challenges like what if you know, oh knock someone off the edge Well, I just want to play 4v4 and then you just get like all the maps that don't have edges You can fall off like streets the That that are that one that's like terraforming place. It's like, oh, I guess I'm just like I can't and I can't choose either You can't choose what match you play on I don't get it to Sort of add to the challenge thing one of the reasons that I really hate a like the the challenge system or at least making it Extremely prominent like it is in this game because it is virtually the only way to rank up your battle pass. Yeah 50 XP a game is pathetic. Yeah, and and there is If you have a game that is very objective and team oriented like halo often is if you have in Your mind like ranking up the battle pass is the real objective in a sense That's the overall progression Then you are going to be encouraged to go out of your way to do things that have nothing to do with The objective in the game so that you can fulfill some potentially super specific requirement So that you could get that challenge finished instead of playing the game as you would or playing the game with your team It makes you go off and do your own thing. It makes you not to be a part of a team, right? Yeah, I think that's I think that's the problem and I know I think some people have mentioned I've seen the discourse where it's like, oh, but they could be adverse, you know incentives With the XP system, but this game has a score system that does give you points Based on whether you played the objective like if you catch flag or if you defend it or captured zones If you assisted in capturing the flag these things all give you points So I don't see the problem with having XP in the game translate in some way to the battle pass system directly Yeah, it's really annoying too because today I played like one or two rounds and I had an odd ball round At the odd ball for two fucking minutes. I was protecting that fucking thing with my live basically And it's like, oh great. I did really well I and yeah, I get 50 XP for it. It's like cool. Thank you. Oh, I had a round where it was 24 and 2 I had 10 badges 150 XP because I had to do a challenge. It's like great It means nothing that are nice for my ego that I'm doing very well, but I'm not getting anything for it It's a bizarre change that I feel is designed to get you It's to encourage people to play every day Not to reward people who grind not to reward people who do really really well Because it used to be oh, I got a triple kill or I got this or I got that So I know that that will give me a certain level of XP because that Metal that I earned is worth a fair amount. That's a fairly that's a fairly chunky metal. Um, I think in the mcc Um, especially when as you're going through the progression system It sort of semi resets every once in a while where it's easy to get Like 10 levels and then it gets harder and harder And then you hit the level 12 when it starts to get easy again And then it gets harder and harder harder. So you would notice that oh that metal that I got that Big XP that's you know that that you just sort of notice that but Um here it really is no The no incentive for winning things sucks games need to incentivize me to win Um, I know I'm really good If you're playing with uh, a couple friends in apex legends And you both because you get in that based on how far you progress in the battle pass you get bonuses for Uh, I think top five placements and a whole bunch for wins So if you're playing with two other people and you win a game you get a huge Uh, you know bit of xp where if there is you know, if you're playing really well You can get you can get a battle pass level Or at least I mean every How you fairly quick Uh, there's just uh, there's a there's a huge incentive to win. You could you could level up You could rank up like seriously every Two three games if you play really well um It's hilarious right like you'd think if a game is gonna fucking do anything it would incentivize you to win Especially halo, which is all about you know play the objective go for d you know You don't go for kills and deaths you want to go for you know get the flag hold the ball things of that nature And this is just like it doesn't fucking matter. Did you do your challenge? And also like I guess because we've been talking about how bad the challenge system is It must also be said that like the amount of I the fact that i'm at level six after 15 hours of play um, what the hell what why All I can assume from that is that they want it to be that I am still unlocking shit by like april Yeah, when when the see now the seasons don't expire That's great because that's one of the things I hate about the battle pass system as a business model That like it'll expire and then you can't unlock anything in that ever again. You miss out too bad. You should have been playing Like I hate that and the fact that they're not doing that here. That's really cool But the fact that it's gonna take me until like april because it will take you forever to unlock the battle pass So it's good that it's around forever Well, it is good that it's around that's right. I guess it's just man Fucking hell. I gotta I gotta I gotta read slowly have we explained what it is So basically I yeah, I guess I assume that people are familiar with like multiplayer games So the battle pass is essentially games free And you can play it for free and you will progress through a system that gets you unlocks But you won't have access to everything Battle pass is where you pay You know 10 to 15 bucks And that will get you into like a season and the season lasts for some months And when you play the game you earn xp And that will unlock the next level of the system and it will give you access to a whole bunch of new cosmetics So helmets armor sets colors because colors are now Like part of you can't just pick the colors you want now. They're part of this system, too Yeah Is that a recurring fee for the battle pass like a subscription? I actually don't know So the idea will be that there's season one which I think is called like heroes of reach and then in may There'll be a season two and then you pay into that one So you buy seasons are like a one-time fee kind of thing Yes, you pay for it once but but Unlike in old games where you would pay for it and you would get the content straight away You've essentially paid for the ability to unlock things. Yeah Which which it's still not preferable. It's free So like, you know, that's yeah, that's what I was saying, right? Like they use that as a way of normalizing all this fucking annoying shit Like I hear the word pass when it comes to aiming and I my inclination is to run away screaming But like there's zoomers now who are like, this is just the way it's done. It's like, what do you mean? It's right. It's the battle pass. You just you get the pass We were just talking about how like you they clearly wanted to sign in every day That's like the goal we used to do that because it was great Not because we had challenges that we had to complete to unlock things that lead to a battle pass and unlock more like There is no there is no way that somebody can tell me that the black ops system where I bought the game once And then there is an in-game credit system that I can't buy into which I can unlock by playing well in the games To unlock specifically the items that I once without having to pay extra money Like nobody's going to convince me that that is inferior to this Real money And I have to unlock it in a certain order. I can't I can't go up a level and be like, hey You get to choose what item you want. Why can't I do that? Why can't Why can't the system be you are you you reach the level? Awesome. You have one token Think about I don't know what what uh, what honest why isn't it like in the mcc Where you go to a certain level and there's 10 things you can choose from and then you can pick the order That you want to unlock them in like at least that Holy shit. Why do I have to do it in the exact order? It's like the old way that cola duty had unlocks Except I have to pay for the right to do it at it slower and it doesn't matter how well I play And then they still go go and say like, oh, this is a rare unlock. This is an epic unlock It's like, yeah, I mean fucking shit. I unlock it from left to right. I don't give a shit what Rarity it has because everyone can just get it when he plays the next game Well, like a good example for value because it's arbitrarily a different color. Yeah, well, this is on my list for battlefield here The skin the default skins that the specialists have in battlefield are labeled as rare Yeah It's hilarious like they're the rare majority of them are rare The majority of They don't want to call anything common is that the idea Well, because common is uh, I don't think they like the idea of common. You need to uh, there are things that are common There are definitely common artists. Oh, there's no color. No, I think I think blue is rare Yeah, I know and then I think purple is legendary and then yellow is gold is epic It starts with blue. I haven't seen anything worse There are comments But you wouldn't notice because they're like the things you start with and then as soon as you start unlocking things they're rare like It's it's psychological manipulation. Whoa, you unlock the legendary. Whoa, and it's totally arbitrary That's all it is. Oh and also because this is part of the progression system I forgot this there are color schemes and visor colors and a whole sort of things that are locked To specific armor cores. You can't just move them across. Oh, yeah So just there is so normally you have just like armor pieces you put on your spartan, right? Cause that's how that works, but now Now there are different. Um, I guess you could call them. Yeah, I guess a core And not all of the armor pieces are compatible with each core No, they're not so If you want to mix and match without restriction like all the other halo games would allow you to do You can't do that anymore You have to have the right core to so that armor piece that you think is really really cool that you want to put with your armor Uh, sorry, that is totally arbitrarily Going to be part of a different armor core So you cannot mix and match those you can only yeah mix and match Is there any reasoning you guys could come up with this non cynical for that to have happened? No No, there's It's all oh here's the things because you don't have enough for this core yet, but keep playing and you'll get the core You know the king for example in this case. I believe that so there are two armor cores I'm aware of so there's uh There are definitely more because I saw on the menu. There are three armor cores that seem to be available right now There is the default one, which I think is mark Five seven. I I think it's my yeah mark seven It's it's like the normal base one that most people have but then there's the mark five, which is the halo reach One so you could say well, you know mark five So it has to be halo reach like what accurate for that period of time in the in the halo More accurate. Wow. No, I know that's that's what I mean. That's the good faith argument We're running around this fucking goofy ass samurai outfit and Some of the hats some of the helmets and stuff in this game are fucking a crazy. They just look silly That's the best document you could give but I don't think it's a valuable one No, it's how do we stretch out all it instead of like putting content in How do we stretch out what we have? And sort of section it off So that you have to keep you just have to get you have to grind further to feel like you've unlocked the same amount of things Yeah, we're just gonna make it arbitrarily half of the things just incompatible with other things and again Why would law preclude me from having certain color schemes for certain armors? Why would why would law prevent me from painting my armor a certain way? Oh, it used to be where you would just choose the color you want. That used to be primary secondary tertiary You can choose whatever colors you wanted Exactly, uh, you choose color primary and secondary generally in a visor color Now what it is. Oh, also, you could color your icon whatever color you wanted. You can do whatever you want it with your icon Yeah, you can mix them out But now we have a you go ahead No, no, you just have preset color schemes. You can only choose. Yeah. Now you have uh, like you're called coding or something like that Basically shaders. Yeah. Thanks destiny. Thank you so much. You've done so much good for the industry. How are you? I love you. You unlock you unlock a an arrangement of colors Kind of like a color skin if you will and it doesn't help that like 80 of them suck Um, or they're garish or bizarre But you can't you can't say oh, I'll just be this color and then I'll have this as my detail No, no, no, no. Oh, I'll just customize my different armor pieces to where maybe I'll make my shoulder this color and that No, no, no, no, no There are preset colors That you can unlock through the battle pass system or you could spend real money on them like a pool So that's an option. Wow before you there Yeah, so so like for instance guys, so when you start the game you get access You do get access to a set of colors, but they're all cadets Like cadet blue cadet green and the color scheme is basically the base color like green and then gray That that's just that's what you get You get like 10 off the bat. I think it might even be less than 10 You get you get significantly less than you normally do in halo Yeah, um, but you get those and then there are the super duper colorful ones that everybody obviously wants because they're more colorful But even then you can't mix and match the colors you want So let's say you want green and yellow You can't just do that You will need to unlock the shader that is green and yellow if it exists which it might not if it exists If the shader does not exist you are just out of luck Yep, and uh, but also you can because you don't unlock these colors very often You can buy them uh on the store for 10 bucks Like the cheapest ones that i've seen And there's one for 20 bucks 30 bucks in australia That's just one of those things we like. What are you doing? Ew. That's so gross Is that worth half a video game? Is that worth two indie games? I could buy hollow nights twice over for 30 dollars You're telling me that that's that's worth one skin One skin and not even a skin just a color scheme with the attempt at a justification for that be the fact that The base multiplayer is free. Is that really free? But it wasn't free before I bought the game and then I had a campaign and multiplayer You can hit a thing nowadays you're like, oh, this is great, but they can hit you twice now That's the thing you you pay for your campaign If they ever finish it or decide that hey, it's part of the halo vision anymore And then like oh, but sure it's free the multiplayer is free But whereas you used to unlock things because it just came with a multiplayer now We could get him with the battle pass and we're gonna make the battle pass one of the worst ever So that they're gonna be encouraged to spend more money Well the lame part is that it it is simultaneously really awful But also like the fact that it doesn't expire that's cool. A lot of other games don't do that That's really that's a lot better It means once you buy something you never locked out, which I think is really bad as the business practice But again, it takes it takes way too long It takes entirely too long and even when you unlock stuff It doesn't I'm not happy with the way that my Spartan looks at the moment I want I want different armor sets. I want different colors. I don't want to have to use the base colors I want to I want to mix and match colors I want different visor colors But I have to play the game for like another 50 hours before I'm going to be able to unlock the stuff that I want So I I went through the battle pass from like the first one we get here And just checked what what do I get without having the battle pass like what do I get? Oh, yeah, you get something every five levels Everything in between is a change challenge or swap challenge thingy You start out without without the utility at all you don't have any wristbands and you don't have a single chest piece Okay, two literally two thirds of the the free halo the free battle pass is just xp challenge swaps Yeah Yeah To help you get through those hundred matches you need to play to unlock a new thing So that you can unlock more challenge swaps Yeah So and occasionally an omba piece if a non-pay pleb If I want a single a single thing for every Wait, sorry, what is this in the end on my armor core this free one These are the unlocks Oh, why did I go through them myself then? Fuck I broke the ball down there here my little list Yeah, that's free. That's if you don't pay for the battle pass. That's what you uh, you get the vast majority of it is challenge swaps And occasionally you get a new piece of and look at those look at those colors. I look at that. It's like I don't want those Like I don't want these Those are just like Grain a little yet like look at yeah, the three cut There's like one two three four colors you get no five and three of them look really kind of similar And one is just the other two just look bad So mad as well. I mean they all maybe one or two of them might look good Maybe um, it took me half an hour to write this list down Oh Pain Yeah, that's what I mean. It's it's like playing this game for free. I don't I don't see how much If you want to have a single thing in every slot Without having the battle pass you need to complete the whole battle pass because the first wristband you get is on level 100 Yeah, you're right. Look at that right at the end there At least you can unlock the ai buddy, which is yeah, that's funny We could probably talk about those kind of neat stuff later, but right now it's like god damn Everything is underneath the it's all underneath the The fact that there there is there is a there is a lack of content when it comes to Not just the forage the campaign That sort of thing and co-op fucking co-op But when it comes to the cut modes Yes, there that's a significant issue. Um, yeah, there ain't enough. There's not enough there's not enough stuff in this game There's like five modes Yeah, there's no there's no bomb. There's no. Yeah, there's no assault assault No, no infection. Yeah, there's no infection There's no There are there's no fiesta or anything like fun party modes that are available Um, there's no swat either. There's no swat. Um, player team or what was the co-op one to call it? Oh, well, there's no firefight. No There's no firefight at all. Um, so like Uh, uh, don't say it's a beta. This is everything that's going to be in the game at launch on in december This is the game. This is based This is not the this is a beta for like technical issues. This is a beta But in terms of content, this is content complete as far as our 343 is said I think what's gonna happen next week next week is gonna be the first event thingy that's gonna happen Right. I wonder what that's gonna do At all. I'm guessing we get maybe some more unlocks How do I know that 343 said that? Sorry Oh, sorry. I just because like 343 said the the beta has all of the content that's in the game. Oh, okay I'll double check. Yeah, whenever the because uh, and because while I was going through all the customizable thingies, there were a lot of blue armor pieces that said wait for further Notifications on these So I don't even know why they're Oh, I can't fucking wait Yeah, like Unlock them somehow. That's not shit Fucking drooling over here like give me some armor pieces Like I don't care that much about cosmetics, but I wanted I want to look a little bit different Like I would have some kind of Just give me a fucking color wheel where I can change my color. Yeah, it's not that hard But I guess so it is very hard What I'm thinking about the content in this game. Here's a question. I want to float to people Do you think that the the the 10 maps are enough? No in terms of maps It didn't feel like enough when I was it doesn't feel like enough not yeah Because because it'll be split. Yeah, well four before seven maps and btbs three maps. That's that's what we've done here Well, so Fine, I like the maps. I'll defend them a little bit more. I think the maps are great I think uh, I think that there are a lot of pretty happy with the maps Yeah, man seven maps are good. Yeah four v fours. That's seven. You know seven Yeah, um Like 10 maps, you know, I'm pretty sure didn't halo three halo three had 11 maps at launch. I think Um, and maybe I'm spoiled because model warfare two had 18 maps when it came out And so like every multiplayer game I've ever played since has always had less At some point they just uh putting a bunch of those were campaign locations That's that's true. That's uh, but at the same time Like ultimately it's still it's still maps. It's still uh places for me to play and a lot of them weren't on multiple I I guess 10 maps Uh, you got seven that are four v four specific and then three that a big team battle It's like now that's if this game had firefight I think that's I think that's the problem here is that if this game If this game had like firefight or some big co-op component, I could look at the 10 maps and be okay Well, that makes sense, but I'm sitting here. It's like dude six years. This game has been in development for six years a lot of time um six years And we have multiplayer with 10 maps and then a campaign that's probably going to be really big and nothing else For for what you would think would be a company's attempt to save halo Yeah, this is pathetic. Honestly, it's not enough It's just and I guess I guess the problem is it's like well that sounds entitled. It's like man 10 maps Well, if I at least get to play all of the maps all the time I still haven't played bazaar on multiplayer games I only played it on a trading session with bots when I was fucking around with a weapon So that that's uh, that's one of the big things because there is no ability to veto maps or pick maps So for a long time, I think after my first playstation, which was like five or six hours. I hadn't played on three of the maps Uh, and it took me even longer to finally get to play on bazaar to get to play on um the desert one um Now I have an issue in battlefield Where I I didn't get to play one of the seven maps in battlefield until literally I was 13 hours into the game Yeah, I do have an issue these days because you all have this uh quick play or Auto matchmaking where you can't choose fuck all It's like yeah, you'll get to play there But I played the the map like seven times already. That's fine. This is another mode though. Oh, yeah, but okay And I know this is I saw someone in chat mention it and I agree because I think it's common sentiment Uh, the launch map the the one with the the big shuttle that's used that map is too big for 4v4 It just is it's too big. Yeah, I'm not too keen on that as a 4v4 The side I think it's too big. It's too big. Uh, it probably would be at a 6v6 three vehicles It does. I don't get a ghost among you said warthog. Oh that map. Yeah. Yeah, that one is too big Yeah, the launch one that one It was like it's too big. It should be 6v6, but there ain't no 6v6 mode Um, so I guess there's no there's no sorting that out Yeah, you don't get a and also it's the way that modes are portioned out It used to be at least in the mcc currently You have a couple like mode playlist that you could play you could do slayer You can do different objective grab bags Um, and then you can do the big team battles and their own different playlist and stuff It wasn't all just Do you want a big team or do you want a 4v4 because that's it really? Well, yeah, sometimes I don't want to play oddball, you know Like sometimes I just want to play slayer or sometimes I just want to play capture the flag But I have no ability to pick which modes I want to play Um, I just think that's stupid. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to pick Unless the logic is well, we want to keep everybody together and not let some game modes die But I think I don't I don't know why you would restrict the choices when people are just going to inevitably Gravitate towards the modes. They find more fun Um I mean peak options would be to even remove certain maps from your rotation You know, like that you maybe you just want to play in a handful of maps But I don't maybe that's that might be too much. There's not many games. Let you do that Remember we talked about this earlier this week. Imagine this game had like a Piccadilly map Yeah Yeah And then you have no option to skip because modern warfare at least gave you the option to vote on the maps You want because it has a pregame lobby, but this game doesn't It's then you had to just people rotating in and out because they see the maps like oh, no, I'm out I'm just gonna. No, I'm not gonna. Yeah um Yeah, I I think um I think the map variety and the the uh, the game mode variety is lacking right now And maybe that'll be remedied at launched Maybe I'm gonna default to a no on that I would too. Yeah, fortunately me too because right now I'm not bored with the maps yet But if I play this for another week, I'm probably gonna get sick of the maps. I might be yeah And that's the problem is I feel like if we had you know bomb assault that that could help out Because maps take a lot longer to implement them modes. I would imagine So if you just add in some more objective modes or some crazy ones like head I guess that's probably not going to be in this game like yeah like infection makes maps play completely different than how they normally play Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of king of the hill, but like you could put king of the hill back I mean It doesn't matter. I'm not a fan of it. You should have king of the hill. Some people like king of the hill Why isn't it? Yeah, it should be in your your objective playlist. You have a king of the hill in there Have an object. Yeah, exactly. You can have an objective's playlist No multi-team playlists either and they'll like like reach ahead where you know, there is no uh, oh, you Yeah, you're right. There's no, uh, there's no just default slayer where it's all against all There is no there is no. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, or or two teams, you know teams of two Why? That never occurred to me, but yeah, I totally blank. There's not just normal slayer. Yeah, like there's only team slayer. That's it free from Yeah, no free for all There's not enough. There's not enough modes They just are And it would really help to just have these modes because the maps I think the maps are versatile enough that uh That you could or at the very least that having these modes in would change them enough to make them feel more uh unique, uh, like depending on which game mode you're playing But yeah, it's not there. Um Uh, what what do you guys think of like the sandbox of weapons and and vehicles and everything? Um, so far, um, I It does really feel like the assault rifle pistol game um, I Those are the weapons you start out with so that they'll be more prominent, but Um, I'm okay with them. Uh, I guess I don't feel too strongly either way Uh, I don't like the new plasma pistol um I don't I really don't care for the pulse carbine at all I rarely see anybody ever pick that shit up um I I mean, it's it's okay. It's fine. Um, I I don't feel like there's a lot of There's enough mid-tier weapons. I suppose for whatever reason in my mind. It's it seems like there's just this Kind of it seems barren in the middle and then there's the very power there's the power weapons and then there's what you start out with and Like there's not enough of those middle area weapons, but maybe that's just this could just be memory and how I think of things, um But yeah, I though yeah without a like I already missed the plasma pistol and plasma rifle kind of being on the map. The needler is you know, That's uh, that's a round. Um, I don't know. I What do you think? Oh, I just wanted to let rex finish What what's what's you thinking? Oh, just just the needler. I feel you need to get way closer with the needler and infinite I feel like it doesn't lock on as good as in the The mcc that I played I'm not sure because I haven't used the needler much. I used it like just a couple of times I just felt it's not worth it because I felt It felt like I had to get super close and by that point I just die well, so I think um I'm not sure if you guys agree with this, but my concern right now is that it feels like the It feels like the human weapons are just across the they're the guns to use weapon's Oh, yeah. Yeah, the covenant weapons are crap Um, but they but I guess the thing is the human weapons I've always felt I've preferred over the covenant weapons, but like I never felt having weapons had rolls I would use the carbine. You know, I'd use the plasma pistol. I'd use well. Yeah in reach Yeah, especially in reach like you would pick up the plasma pistol That was the weapon that you picked up because that shit would drain shields in like three shots And then you could melee them or yeah, and they've removed this for reasons unknown The charged up plasma pistol shot worked as an EMP against vehicles Yeah, now that seems to be locked to the new banished like grenades and banished weapons. Yeah, there's an electoral weapon thing Yeah, um, yeah the even the plasma rifle You knew if I can get up close to someone and I could laser their shields down or I could hit them You know get their shields off I could swap I feel like there's less weapons synergy in this than there is in previous I wonder and that might be something that becomes more apparent later on because I felt because like I've often been playing And it's like literally the switching to your pistols faster than reloading meme a lot Where I yeah, I choose to be with the ar right out of ammo switch the pistol to finish them off Um, it feels like those two work really well in tandem I guess I wonder about the other weapons though And something I've just thought of because when I first played the game I was like, oh my god There's all these like new weapons. There's a ton of new weapons But where's the fuel rod cannon? Where's the carbine? Yeah, the coven the coven The I don't do the coven is have a medium long range Option I think because I don't because I don't I can't imagine an army being you know Little loaded with these this equipment to do about Uh, I what was it? What was the one you mentioned the covenant? It's the rifle the rifle that five round Yes thing that now I hate that I despise it. I don't understand what's up with that gun. My challenges would tend to use to kill people That's like the burst fire plasma shot thingy, right? Yeah, yeah, that's right. I'll pick it up and the projectiles are way too slow and I'm like fuck this shit Give me the assault rifle back. It's funny because when when you hit them all People die in like two hit in two bursts, but there's no way you hit them all unless someone is Wow Unless there's some way to use them that I just don't know how I don't know I don't know how to do it Also, we got the the ravager which is which someone might shed called the the ret come weapon Because it's just right red. Yeah, and nothing happens That one looks very powerful and it's not that strong Yeah, I feel like a lot of the supposedly stirring weapon like there's so many weapons in this game That I just run past and I don't fuck around with because I start with an AR and a pistol and they're They're pretty good. Yeah, so well, I just don't pick up a lot of the guns The thing is I will pick up BRs and I'll pick up the commando I'll pick up human weapon. I'll pick up the sniper rifle. I'll pick up the rocket launcher, but if I I might not pick up the hydra. I'm not I'm not super happy with the hydra I kind of like the hydra. It's kind of I like I like the hydra more in halo five Felt more powerful in halo five here. It feels a little bit I'm not sure. Maybe maybe I'll get more used to later, but I prefer it in halo five. I've noticed Oh, look, there's a there's a scorpion. I barely see those this game Yeah, what's the tank? Oh, yeah, I've only seen tanks like twice. Wait, there's tanks in this game I haven't seen it multiplayer yet. I've seen like two of them. Yeah other rates There are rates, but I've never seen one I've I've seen also seen two rates Oh, wow I like how it's like like a fucking unicorn or something. It's like I saw it once But it used to be a default base vehicle that you would have at your base in 4v4 modes because that's kind of the It's it's just something the 4v4 modes. A lot of them don't support vehicles um There I think there are only two maps that support vehicles in 4v4. I think it's the launch pad one and uh stand pit Yeah, yeah, I think it's my least favorite map the sandpit one And I like it because I I think because for a 4v4 there's two sniper rifles a ghost a warthog And I'm like I yeah, and I'm like that's just too much. This is for 4v4. I feel like that's just too much um Actually the the the the the fact there are two sniper rifles on that map is like oh that's fucking maddening I'm pretty sure I'm just thinking as well because there there are some new forerunner weapons. I've noticed too. Um There are a lot of new weapons. There are a lot of new weapons Um, which I think is something that I guess the game should get credit for is that uh I think of all the halo games. This is like the most new weapons to ever be introduced all at once No, okay. Um, yeah, I think it is. I'm pretty sure it is. Um, I mean I have no idea My issue isn't the number of weapons. It's their usefulness Yeah, I think that's concern is um, there's a ton of new weapons But like a lot of the human weapons are incredibly well defined in terms of what they do um Whereas a lot of the new weapons, maybe they're experimenting with new elements of the sandbox like the fact that now there is a different EMP system that's tethered more to the banished weapons um and Yeah, I I'm not I'm not I don't quite know what their usefulness is And maybe that will become clearer like when you play campaign and are forced to use those weapons more often In a more forgiving place. I don't know maybe You did kind of have this uh, you you had this problem to a degree in halo reach with dmr starts It would just nullify half of the weapons existing because you started out with a very powerful gun Yeah, and frankly, I think the ar and the pistol they're they're quite good. Um, yeah, they are quite good. Yep Yep, it's probably the best the ar's ever been as it's just a base weapon. It's uh, I I really like holding on to it um And I guess that's the problem is you kind of want people to want to run around and switch it with a br more often Yeah, it does seem like the most common kind of battle that they've created is the whole like you've got to hit 80 85 percent of your assault rifle for it to kill them and most people don't It's down to pistols for both of you and you switch to personally that's I feel I still feel it's a little inconsistent I know there are times where I I spent a lot of time in this game baffled that the other person's alive And sometimes I give a really frustrating whereas like I was my aim was so fucking good And I shot first and we were both using ar's. How did I die? I don't understand, you know things like that Um, or oh, I get he just spammed his pistol and I died so Is that a general halo thing because I didn't the mcc often that feeling I'm just asking. Well, it's the shield game a lot of it is the shield game You got to knock out the shields and go for the head. That's that's like peaks that's your main strategy and uh And and so maybe it sometimes feels like you're you're not killing them as quickly as you should Could you hit them in the body like four times? Uh, I will say I I do miss the one thing I don't like I don't like how melees do bleed through uh shield damage I I really liked the reach system of you have to break their shields before you hit them with the melee to kill them Because if they've got a sliver of shields left it will soak up your it will soak up your melee There is a you need to there. There is a bit of a discipline that goes into you can't just melee them necessarily once They're close you've got to finish off their shields one way or the other and then hit them Here's something that's kind of neat though. Um, some of the banished weapons have blades on them And if you hit them with that that's a one hit kill. That's kind of neat I was wondering about that because I saw them but I couldn't really tell if I'm killing them faster Yeah, the ravager and the mangler uh the skewer. I think yeah, um, they have little blades on them Anyway, skewer probably my favorite weapon in the game at the moment. It's so satisfying skewer is fun I prefer the rocket launcher. I think because it's just uh Splash damage. Yeah, it's it's the it's the punchiness when you hit something. It's pretty cool. Yeah, that's It's a cool weapon. I destroyed a vehicle with it. That was really satisfying Yeah, that's all right. That's uh, let's just remind me of something equipment. We gotta sink Oh, oh before we go equipment. I don't like the battle rifle. Um, it I think someone has said that it it actually has a pretty low time to kill Or sorry, it has a high time to kill compared to a lot of the guns But it doesn't have any bloom aspect. It actually goes where you you shoot it I know it's a fucking novel concept for games these days, but It I think it's the time of the burst. It's that it's got the burst isn't quick. It's not like a It it shoots slowly For for a burst guy. Um, and I I just really don't like that Um, it doesn't feel like a burst fire weapon even though it is because it just sort of just sort of It's uh, kachunks along with its fire rate. Yeah, it's really careful And you mentioned that in uh, Elegance colonial to fire team Whatever you said the burst one if you're gonna do burst you need it to come out faster to be worse. Yeah, the The that was a dirty bomb was an excellent game One of the changes that they made to burst fire weapons to make them feel That just make them stand apart and to kind of give them their own place in a fight was They significantly reduced the the rate of uh, or the or the They increased the rate of fire of the burst itself, but there's more time between the bursts So that the burst would be better at a distance but They wouldn't be uh, it they felt more unique and that's one of my There's a there's a gun called the hemlock and apex legends and it's good But I with that the burst itself. There's a lot of the burst rate of fire is pretty slow on it So it does almost have like a it's sort of automatic. You don't it doesn't feel bursty um but I am surprised though that they don't have like a dmr I'm not surprised. I think it's it's a matter of br or dmr. It seems like it's pick one and then have that in the game Because halo four had the br and the dmr. I think that was the last I did I can't remember. I never played five. I know four did but the dmr was just better But that's just because of balance. They just made the dmr was just flat out better and they just didn't balance it well um I'm curious to say I guess I need to be caught up on like my halo, but I don't remember health Regenning is that new to this game or has I been new for a while health regents? Uh, so halo one and reach don't have health regen, but every other halo game has health regen Even halo three Yeah, halo three has health regen the reason why you don't notice is because it didn't have a specific bar on the uh on the On the uh health bar this this one seems to have both of them on there for you to see Oh Why am I thinking about health packs? Which games I play that was that reach? Oh, okay, okay One and reach had health packs. Yeah, I will say I I wish that it took a lot longer for your health to recharge Maybe not a lot longer I wish took longer for your health to recharge instead of it just sort of bloop. You're back to perfect now um The maybe the idea that you if even if you lost to fight with someone if you damage their health You're helping out another player If they come by you know in four seconds instead of three or ever long it takes his yields to recharge in this game Which is it seems pretty quick. Um Like it seems quick, but I don't know that it is necessarily. I I don't know that I have a problem with it I don't think I have a problem with it I would like for there to be a little bit more of a a lasting impact between your fights It doesn't have to be super long But if I went a fight with someone and I've just got a tiny if I'm like one hp I'm barely survived tiny sliver of health. Um I feel like I that should be with me for a little bit at least where I need to understand that I barely survived a fight It will take a moment for my my health to Regenerate instead of just bloop. It's back. So the next person I fight if I go and fight people too quickly I have been I I have not been put out of a fight necessarily But I have been disadvantaged from fighting too soon because I took a lot of damage in the last fight Yeah, I get you instead of just oh, I won the fight and in four seconds or whatever. I'm just I'm back as if nothing ever happened Just like real life I guess they Obviously because I guess one could make the argument just in reverse being like I wanted to be snappier I want to get into the next fight straight away. I think oh, I think that's definitely what they're going for It's I think it's undoubtedly what they're what they're going for as long as you essentially get out of combat and just can Recharge real quick. You're you're good as new Which works in Called it works in some games. It works in other games. Not so much. It's like an apex legend certainly there is because of how long it might take to Regenerate your your shields and your health and get those back It really encourages with speed and distances for you to press advantage and Because you know how long it can take someone to get their shields back potentially or their health back And that's sort of a game aspect that you that every player is aware of and it factors into Whether you'll push up or whether you'll pull back or whether you'll kind of hold positions While someone who got in a hit really bad, you know heals himself up It seems to be like an all or not like you will Everyone you fight is going to be at full health Generally just because of how quickly Shields can come back just in an issue. I just I feel like there should be a little bit more lasting consequence when you Barely survive a fight or when you get hit for a A significant amount of damage Like don't make me feel like if I don't do a full like if you have 100 shields 100 health or whatever If I do 199 If I don't get to that 200 damage barrier, I still feel like that should count for something Because it has before in different ones or because And well in in reach and one because you didn't regenerate your health, especially very quickly um, if you Really hurt someone badly and they've got barely any health even if their shields recharge They're they they have a significantly smaller health pool So one of your friends if you're like, hey, there's a guy in such and such He's got barely any health left. You could probably go and take him out of weakened him Um instead of oh no, it's been three so four seconds. He's back to full Would you argue then there's an angle of strategy balance and it matches the uh The fact that there's more health in this game than a lot of fps is of this kind and so it matches it more health in what sense like more damage to take people in this game then I I don't know. I don't feel like the time to kill is that is really high at all. Um I mean, it's higher than cola dude. I was gonna say you've said that. Oh, yeah, everything's higher than call duty Yeah, but but it's it's like appreciably higher than cola duty. Like in cola. Yeah, but I I just think call duty is just so lightning fast Well, but that's my point you're dealing with a game that isn't like caught at all And so you feel like the work taken to get their health down means that there should be lasting consequences I'm trying to figure out what your logic is for why this is a thing that should be in the game I explained it, uh, but the When you when you damage someone if you have a game with really high times to kill Or games with higher time to kill if let's say if it takes Four seconds to kill someone three seconds to kill someone on average And especially with how this game Very very strongly wants you to stick close to your teammates um The the aspect that If you it's either it feels like it's all or nothing And I don't I don't know if that is good necessarily that if you don't kill them Then they'll be back to completely full very soon Um Instead of oh, you've you at least even if you lost that fight that 1v1 You have damage them and that character has to either sit out of the fight for a while Or they're gonna be a little bit weaker for some amount of time Um, it I don't know if it works as well What about not be more suitable with a game with the last time to kill which you just said like this game You felt like it's got much lower time to kill than expected for halo um Not not nothing maybe not not expected for halo. Um, because I think it's especially with a game like halo and ranges can be an important factor time to kill can be You know, it can be a moment if you have the right weapons or I guess I because I'm what I I also didn't mean this to be like a your huge conversation. I was just Thought on something either just I just sort of felt What what games can you think of that have like higher time to kill than halo? um That are sort of commonly played now Halos out there are commonly played probably the longest I was so so the problem is yeah That's what I mean when I think about like popular multiplayer shooters I can't think of many at all that have a higher time to kill than halo Uh potentially apex Yeah, but I guess competitive. I don't want to count like Warzone or battle because battle royales like all have pretty high time to kill. Uh, what about I don't know. Um Well, I call the duty definitely like warzone has a higher time to kill in that than it does in multiplayer I guess it's comparing it's still pretty I think it's fairly quick still. Um It would be quicker than Well, yeah, I guess what I'm saying is like for like we're comparing multiplayer shooters against other multiplayer shooters that'll you know Yeah, almost definitely up there on the higher end. Yeah, I guess that's why I I don't know if I would describe it as low if it's if like relative to all the other games It's much higher. I think Um, I think that's where I'm stuck I think halo has a high time to kill Relatives basically higher than average. Sure Well, yeah, but if it's higher than average, would that not make it high just terms of how Like so is it so is all of this based on Me saying I didn't think it had a particularly high time to kill Well, I I guess Well, I guess it's it's fundamental to the question of like when it should You know, like if we're talking about shield recharge or expectations that people should have when it comes to kills and stuff I guess time to kill would factor into that because It could it depends it sort of depends. Um, if It depends on the weapons the distance the the average engagement distance and like it like hit points And the ability to circumvent those things. Uh, so if you have like, um an example would be I'm trying to think Um, because if you get Because like a medium range fight and halo could just be Pointless to do because of how long the fight would actually have to drag on How long you would have to stay out in the open and is pointless and then up close you just generally will always commit to it Um, just because of the way that weapons can actually put out that damage Um, because even like if you're fighting against Like an apex if you're in the the firing range and you're just shooting at Stationary dummies you will think that the game has a much lower time to kill than it Actually does in in practice because you're you're shooting at a completely stationary target at your leisure Um, whereas in game based on movement it could change significantly um but I don't feel like I feel like characters just always escape by Like getting I've got their shields down and I've still kept, you know hitting them with stuff and they just don't die like there's I guess that's more relative because halo It's usually once you get the shields down aim for the head because once you aim for the head No matter what weapon you use basically Um, and I just say that's part of that's part of the game right is yeah You take the shields down it doesn't matter where you're shooting them But then once the shields are down you've got to aim for the head And if you don't do that then they they will get away or they might get away because you you know You can still kill people with body shots. Thanks a lot longer. Yeah, it's like a balancing system in a sense Right if you both low the shields then Sorry Yeah Yeah, so I'm assuming for you was highlighted there is like the extension of fights will be because you're not Shoot them in the head presumably Uh could be part of it Well, I I think that because tip I don't find I don't usually find the enemies get away and I'm like that's bullshit That should be dead. I I very rarely get that feeling a lot of the time. I'm like yeah, I didn't shoot I should have shot them in the head I found that with some halo games, but not infinite Like um, I use the assault rifle a lot and I feel like Like I do really well with the assault rifle. I find like whenever my cursor is off them I just take my finger off the trigger save my ammo and then just Yeah, I mean, that's obvious like I just find like in other halo games I would frequently run out of like assault rifle ammunition and they're not dead yet And it's fucking annoying, but I haven't had the issue where that uh People are like escaping with a bunch of health and my clip runs out I've been surprised sometimes I'll commit to torso if I think I've got enough ammo to And I won't risk missing, but then sometimes I'll finish my magazine. I'm like wait. They're still alive For for for the most part weapons in this it doesn't like with the ar and the pistol It doesn't matter as long as they have shields. It doesn't matter where you hit them Right as long as you hit them and then once the shields are gone, then the headshots will count Yeah, I'm saying when the shields go down I sometimes will commit to I'm going to aim for the torso. So I definitely won't miss But then so I can guarantee the kill then sometimes they don't die. I'm like, oh shit I must have misjudged that I thought that I had enough to kill him with it I think that generally it seems like the general rule of thumb is that by the time that you fully exhaust Uh an ar round as long as you've been fairly accurate, you'll get the kill Uh, and if you've been only kind of accurate, then you need to switch the pistol I that's what I typically find as you hold it down right until in general. Yeah Yeah, that seems to be the case. There are still times where I am kind of baffled That might be generally I guess the thing is we don't know and it might be some people figure out when they dive into the code Maybe it has something to do with how close you are like in terms of damage dealt Yeah, um spread because of the bloom Yeah, they're I haven't looked super deep into like how much the bloom actually matters or What is the you know the visual effect of the reticle? How how does that actually match up to where the bullets are going? I haven't been testing it out too much People will figure it out soon though. It certainly will. Yeah people people absolutely people definitely solve halo. They always do Well, yeah, you uh, you don't like bloom, do you? Uh Generally no, it depends. I I definitely prefer the bullets go where I'm pointing them The skill is how good am I at keeping the reticle on the target? Well, could you say that the bloom changes? I don't know. You need to not spray like that. That's that's what bloom is. I figure it's full. Yeah Well spray, so spraying spraying could be in both games What it's essentially because bloom is a way to sort of to artificially create the sense of like what recoil would do to a gun And I I would prefer it if that was a gun has recoil, but it shoots where you point it Your ability to manage that recoil Is that's certainly my preference Well, I guess I guess the idea would be So if we take a game that doesn't have bloom basically as long as you hold down the trigger it makes no difference And conversely if the game has bloom if you're using the ar you need to not just hold down the trigger You want to you know, like a a viable and good strategy then becomes Just a few bursts like you do bursts instead of just holding down the uh the trigger and then The distinction between the players is not strictly how good they are at aiming But also how good are they in managing the weapon the mechanics of the weapon? Well that depending on what the recoil is that is the those are kind of the same thing If you have a lot of guns in apex for instance, they start off with a very Because they have every weapon has its own recoil pattern And that is affected by attachments to some degree So the more you learn a weapon the more you get used to where the gun will recoil But it won't recoil consistently in the same way So you might have a gun that starts to have a very very Smooth vertical and then it starts going left and right left and right making it harder And that absolutely favors you to use You know five 10 round bursts and then stop shooting and then start shooting again So you kind of get that more gentle pattern and it makes it more difficult for you to keep shooting But it doesn't involve bloom Right, so I guess your preferred system would be that the reticule stays identical, but the screen moves more I guess No, no, it's it's uh, no the just that the gun has a The the gun will shoot where your reticle always is but each gun has a different pattern or a different um It basically guns have different recoil Patterns, right that the recoil pattern is demonstrated to you through the way that the screen moves, right? Or am I well, I mean the in the way this with Where the reticle has a tendency to climb or go to? So wait, but but the reticule definitely in the center of the screen, right? So where the reticule climbs That would be the camera moving around, right? All right. So if if we have a if we have So if you're adsing Then every time you hold down the trigger all the way You'll get the same pattern like if you shoot a line at a wall or other bullets go it will be the same every time Um, as you move and as enemy moves, you know, that that's where things get complicated And then the other effects that happen during a fight um, maybe if you have I uh like hip firing that's where it is actually random you have a um, if you're hip firing you might have a A a cone of fire that will get bigger and bigger and some weapons might be better at it than others But ultimately you could have that be the aspect of bloom, which is the the hip fire But when you're aiming down the sights The bullets do go where they're pointed you just have to and then keep it under control You get knocked out of uh of aiming downsides when you get shot in this game. So then I guess yeah, that's that's that's like too I guess the thing is is that I don't know that I want halo to have it where aiming downsides Fundamentally alters the way that the weapon is Shooting like I've always felt like the whole point of halo is zoom is is the same But you've just got a different perspective not that it changes the way that the gun it works. Okay. Yeah in in halo It works. All right. Um, I I'm definitely fine with the if you get shot while zooming in you get unzoomed Unless it's like a very gentle zoom Uh, like the pistols But yeah, I think it works fine in halo um And I think it it it works. Okay I don't have I don't feel too strongly either way against it um But I I just I have my preferences um, I would like to when I when I Put a lot many many many hours into a game For me it feels more rewarding when I can take a gun And just be able to laser someone at a distance every once in a while because I've really Put in time to learn that gun's pattern and to learn how it Works and to know all right around tennis shots is when I should you know reset So I get gentler recoil, you know, don't push it and keep shooting more and more over the game Or the gun's just got a more erratic pattern um On this the phrase may sound just my preference Um, I think it's uh, I I do like to see that in games more Um in general when I when I see blooms in games it it does annoy me often Um, that's just like your opinion, man I like the bloom as a form of um Gamble in a sense between two players It's like if I shoot slower than my opposition I might have more accurate shots while they could kill me faster or slower Like you know, I mean, it's like we're both Throwing dice, but minus fewer sides or there's as More sides with less payoff And yeah, and your strategies might change depending on your distance if you further away you you'll be like No, I'm not risking it. Whereas if you closely like fucking I'll just yeah bloom. It's okay. I'm close And so it changes the strategy. Yeah, yeah all distances. You have to make these decisions It could be like boom boom boom to get that like last selection And I know they Go ahead. Well, there are It a lot of it relates to like just the intensity of the mechanic in terms of how how much is the bloom Uh, one of the things I didn't like about battlefield 3 Uh, and some other games like that where it would get into Battlefield 2042 has is a horrific problem with just the the deviation of bullets from where you're You're actually aiming and just how big the bloom can get and how your gun just flat out will not shoot where you're pointing it Which is why a lot of guns and games have The first shot is always going to go where you point it. So tap firing is You know you can the first shot always goes where you're pointing it and then you get punished the longer you hold it down But again, it's intensity of the mechanic where I don't want to get into a system where it's me and someone else And we just play a luck-based game of whose bloom is Worse and who is lucky enough to hit their shots even though we're both on target Now certainly an issue with like suppression and battlefield 3 and 4 to a degree um, and There it's fine enough in halo because it isn't super intense uh but I don't I mean, it certainly hasn't hampered my ability to kill people with a pistol from very far away like and it just I don't know it feels quite it feels uh Intuitive to me the the more I fire it quicker the less control it has because people are saying like isn't this just recoil It's like it's complex to define exactly the differences between all these things bloom is a way to give a gun recoil without actual recoil It's it's it's to simulate the recoil of a gun essentially um Or as in games without it Yeah, like I I get it. It's also it's also used as a way to Depending on its implementation and It can be used to drastically lower the ceiling of skill when it comes to gunfights um Battlefield 2042 It's a big issue there where they don't want players who are really good Wrecking players who are not very good. And so it's like a it's like a limiter for how Skillful you can get in a way I don't know about that because that bloom starts to the extreme of any mechanic could be argued that way Like if normal recoil one shot and it sends your entire screen to the other side like oh, yeah, I'm talking I'm using battlefield as a sort of an example Um, it depends where you know, how bad it gets it certainly feels that way in battlefield um Where you definitely don't you know Uh, you just uh, it doesn't it doesn't feel really punishing in this like it can in some other games Where it's just no no no this is just yeah I know you're you've played a long time and you might know this weapon well And they're not at that unreasonable of a distance But the bloom is just uh, you just can't kill them because the bloom so you're gonna have to get in closer where they have a better chance to and You get that feeling and maybe you know like a like as a battlefield 2042 and this it generally isn't an issue I think a big thing that works in this game's favor is I think that the bloom is communicated very clearly Yeah, you can certainly tell it Like well as opposed to in other games where it doesn't have very clear Do you mean like just four dashes that are on distant paths? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, like in Call of Duty where if you were hip-firing you have these four discs and and they're like really huge where it's here It's pretty clear. There's like the outer circle in the inner circle It never feels like I don't know exactly where the bullets are going It's just within this very narrowly defined field and I don't think the bloom is too significant compared to Yeah, like in Call of Duty The problem is when I speak about Call of Duty, I'm always thinking of the older games and posting the newer ones I don't know if the newer ones are more I forget. I haven't played Call of Duty much at all Um, yeah, it's never it's been many many years since I've played a Call of Duty With anything approaching consistency. So I just I'm not that familiar with it It's interesting because I think someone just made the argument in chat actually the In a way you could argue bloom is actually the more preferable recoil because It's uh translated without taking any control from you necessarily. Well, it really depends on how you define these words because The gun being forcibly moved around and you have to account for it with the mouse by pulling it back versus Your bullets are becoming less accurate the more you fire them in a row like, uh Right It's interesting And the uh and the character in the game I feel like one could argue that both systems take more control away from you depending on how you define it um, I still uh bloom Bloom takes more it Uh, I'm trying to think of the way to phrase it. I suppose so with bloom if you shoot Five shots or four shots in a second with bloom You will get that you get what you get Um, there is no ability for you to mitigate that in any way Whereas if in another uh without bloom if you want to shoot that fast Well, how good are you at keeping that weapon on point if you want to shoot that fast? But could someone argue that's your choice to make if you continue to shoot all in a row as opposed to waiting for it to reset Which is only going to take a while like a millisecond Uh, it could uh, you could make the argument I get it, but I I don't think that you have less control with uh With just like apex aiming Where it is purely you In a sense, there's no I guess there's no like, um, there's no sort of X it's not external to you because the bloom because bloom is external to you in the sense that it's it's simulating what the recoil would actually be And having the recoil in bill, you know built into the actual guns themselves That is the thing that's being simulated by bloom So you can mitigate that in more ways If I can jump in quickly on the bloom versus recoil thing to the way I think of it is that um bloom is a recreation of a multi-dimension multi-directional lack of accuracy And recoil is a unidirectional lack of accuracy where the gun typically drifts upwards. So in With recoil, let me finish this. Let me finish this. You can say whatever you want, right? So like in in real life when you're firing a gun if the gun is inclined downward and you fire The gun will the tip of the gun will be pushed downward, but in video games It's always that it goes up, right? But then the bloom is like, uh A multi-directional lack of accuracy in opposition with recoil where it can go All over the place. So you have like that cone of accuracy that that narrows and and widens, right? So that that's just that's all I wanted to hit on to the key difference there I think is the unidirectional versus the multi-directional lack of accuracy Well recoil has a tendency to go upward, uh, but it's it's definitely Not just uh, there's a lot of horror The course is depends on how a game chooses to implement it Games having different amounts of horizontal recoil and whether it goes back and forth Which is that something Apex does some of the guns Especially after you get past that initial, you know five six seven ten round burst At the start it starts to really flatten out horizontally um There it starts to flatten out Vertically but horizontally it starts to move left and right a lot more which is just flat out more difficult to deal with Right, so it's really up to whoever the devs are to set whatever that pattern is because depending on the pattern Um, it really changes the viability of weapons and whether it's worth it because if you have a gun that just does nothing But recoil straight up that's going to be super easy to deal with because it's extremely Even if you're not thinking about it, you you recognize that reticle after you shoot a while and you just know what it's going to do Whereas if you have a gun that has a more multi-directional, you know recoil pattern You have to have that presence of mind to know that i've shot for a while I need to get ready to start dealing with this more horizontal drift um And that's something that I think is is very very rewarding once you get to a level where you Start to really learn the weapon and each weapon is unique in the way that it kind of behaves But a lot like I said a lot of that's up to the devs If they don't implement a system that works well Then maybe it would be better to just say fuck it We're just gonna use you know the bloom to represent what the recoil might be Or we want to use it to maybe limit some kill distances based on our map or game design or things of that nature I So I think all I would say is that it feels to me like it's just a difference of preference in terms of what challenge you're being asked to deal with That with the system that you prefer It is physically with the mouse like make sure that you keep the aim centered Whereas the challenge that would be introduced with the bloom is keep this in mind I know you're self-control like you're you want to hold that trigger down, but it's saying you'll be better off if you don't But I guess the point is that I don't I don't know that I don't know that I would say that one is better or worse They're just you know, I agree um Because I've just I've had so many skirmishes with with both approaches And I don't know when when I do the burst fire on the ar and I am actually successful by Taking more control. I'm like I feel like this system is working well Well, I uh, I did the the training floor thing with the ar and at first I was having difficulty because I'd be holding it down and then when I started burst firing giving me better results It's like oh, right. Yeah, that's the system and I don't think that that I don't think that that is necessarily better or worse than a system that represents the recoil more with like the camera moving Uh, I just think they're different and they're asking different Yeah, and so then it would just be a preference thing um, right Uh, what what do you think about like equipment? I think that's what we're going to talk about before bloom. I I've got a chance to use So whenever I pick up the grappling thing, it's only ever like I wonder if there's anywhere I could use Right, that looks like fun. I use it. Go that was fun. Anyway back to the game Yeah Yeah, I've used the throwing escape here and there but um, a lot of the times I just forget I I still I forget I just don't think about yeah using equipment. Um I just like to shoot as much Sometimes it comes in it really comes in handy. Um I have reflected a grenade or two That's all that feels good to do when you know, you've got that little reflector Thingy and then someone throws a grenade Especially if you like you're playing oddball and your guy is holding the ball behind you And the enemy team is coming and they're throwing all their nades and you can reflect them away. That feels good um, or when you're getting shot at and you Grapple away to you know escape death or get to get out of a hairy situation. That also feels really good too. Um You being able to use equipment Like uh, like I'm about to grab the flag. I can use my over shield then pick up the flag or I could use invisibility And then pick up, you know the oddball or whatever You know that that helps. That's a neat that's a neat thing. But yeah Just grapple onto an enemy and then punch him in the face and kill him That's fun. Uh, yeah, that's pretty cool Weapons and objectives towards you too. Oh really? That's that that's really great. Yeah, I think that's yeah I end up seeing a lot of shield walls here and there from different people and I'm always like I should probably use this more Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how effective they are And I'll just shoot through them from your side and they can shoot in yeah, they'll soak up a few shots Um, so that could be that they're broken up into little squares We've breached whereas the want to move around behind the shield Yeah, exactly, which I think I think it's a good way to balance it because the bubble shoes is hyper effective and It had like uh, where people just wait outside to try and kill each other, you know Not sure whether they want to go in or use a grenade or something um I uh, I I think they're because I'm I'm thinking of the list because that's grapple. There's the drop shield There's a little dash to shoot you through the air. Yeah I'm like I like how the The what now? There's like a little scanner that yeah, there was a scanner. You shoot a three flip. Yeah That's good. That's kind of handy. Doesn't everyone have that permanently and it's mapped on the d-buttons or no Isn't it so no, so there's a little ai scanner. That's the z button And it will highlight objects in the environment like dropped weapons drop grenades. That's what I was thinking, which is very useful Uh, especially after a fight being able to scan. I didn't know about that either. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm gonna try that now Oh, yeah, it's it's really good. Um, I have found sometimes people will just walk over weapons Or they'll they'll walk right next to them without picking them up because I guess they don't see him because of the grass and just you know the crap on the ground it blocks the You know, it's not like a flat surface or something in the way a lot of the time It's just because of like it's you know grass bushes things like that a weapon can get dropped and people just flat out won't notice it so pressing z it highlights grenades and equipment and weapons that have been dropped Um, so it's useful to hit that every once in a while after a fight to so you can scoop up all the goodies The grapple shots the one piece of equipment that made me go like oh, wow, that's neat Like this is fun. All the other stuff. It's like whatever. It's like a shield thing Isn't it trying to keep up with other f like it the second I saw I was like, I'm sure there isn't cod done this as well Like the just the cool What's tight and full there you go. Yeah No, you can't do that I'm just saying like I wonder if because halo become this this evidence I think of this game looking to become more like what is everyone like these days. Let's do that It's definitely more General of like what what do people want out of shooters? I think there's more to it the implementation in this case than that The case of this game because of the way the campaign works like navigating this huge environment with lots of like terrain Like mountainous terrain and you've got to like navigate it and it's like well, do you use a jetpack? No, we've done that already plus it's not as fun as a swinging mechanic Like there's something about that like building momentum and letting go at the right time and building up speed. It's it's fun to use I think another aspect of it is I feel like the equipment is well integrated into the sand sandbox It doesn't I think that there's that would be doesn't feel out of place Yeah, it feels appropriate for this game. Yeah That's like a big compliment I have for the game in general is everything feels well integrated It doesn't feel like there are elements that are out of place. It feels like Yeah in this sandbox the equipment the weapons the vehicles they all like slot in comfortably Whereas I think armor abilities have always felt a little disconnected um from the core game whereas here at it all feels like it's It's bridged together like the equipment has a place in this and having the the uh the grapple be a piece of equipment in The multiplayer it fits in well, and I imagine a campaign is like a permanent fixture. Yeah I just need to use them more honestly to get I need to use what's a better assessment of them I just forget I have them a lot of the time They are yeah, they're they're not they're in that a pretty good spot in the case that I'm not I'm not playing the game based on the equipment that I have But the equipment that I have can You know be situationally useful based on what I do have I it's one of those. Oh, I've got this So, you know in case I need it I just be you know have the presence of mind to know that if I need it I've got a little you know repulsor so that that could be useful But I'm not going to completely adopt a whole new Style of play because I have one I've picked up one goodie And I suppose that's because I was about to say like grenades have felt Intrinsic to every gunfight like people are going to be throwing out grenades If you move around corners or if you get behind any flanking cover or if you need to reload but Of course everyone spawns with grenades. So it's not I'm surprising that it's become something that you never forget Well, yeah, they talk about the the pillars of halo that the three was Like guns melee and grenades and they've always wanted to add a fourth one since like three So it's equipment then armor abilities then back to equipment Hmm I don't know that equipment I I think it's always tough to make equipment like as integral as shooting melee and grenades Um, because it's more indirect, but it's a valiant effort this time around. I think yeah It it's it is a it is an appreciated option that I have available to me And it is it is often satisfying to use it for its uh for for its intended purpose when I like I say when I Deflect a grenade or when I I swing away from danger or When I'm getting shot and I drop a shield so I can You know the last a little longer or you know things of that nature. It feels good when I use them Uh, and I never feel like I'm getting screwed over by them unfairly like somebody just pulls um You know some nonsense out of their butt that I just couldn't have possibly known about and that changes everything They're not they're they're more utilities than weapons in that sense and I kind of like that I don't come across them too often I don't feel like if they're involved in the fight that I lost unfairly or anything Yeah, I think that's a big thing the game. I don't think the game would be better off without them Uh, I think the game has made better for having them I like their addition Armor lock used to piss me off I don't know what pissed everyone off a bit Well, it was yeah, the implementation of armor lock was shit and halo. Yeah, it was hard to use it Oh, you bit It was glitchy and it was stupid and it just it didn't it didn't do the thing that they probably But that it was probably envisioned to do Instead it became this I could I could tap it and become invulnerable and then hit you back and it's it it was a Uh, this is jack in the box of invulnerability. That was stupid Um the I would say the the repulsor thing You could you could jump and aim it at the ground and use it and you can get an extra high jump You didn't know that so that is nifty So it does open up some platforms to that you can get to that you otherwise wouldn't by doing that right In movement wise i'm i'm fine with uh Because it certainly seems like they want to speed up halo halo is not a fast game Uh in the in the mcc there there is a bit more of a methodical Approach that halo can take you you can't move around super fast Um You don't have a lot of the movement abilities that a lot of other games have these days especially So it feels like a decent progression that you know, everyone can sprint a little bit people can claim brepp objects Um, it seems pretty pretty reasonable for halo. I think I think it fits it well and it suits it Yeah, I'm I'm happy with it keeping it like a relatively slower pace because I think that's part of the halo formula Um Is like how how fast you're moving through it and killing people like we were talking about earlier the amount of time It takes to kill first people as opposed to cod where it's just like instantly Dead dead. Yeah, because when I have is in halo. I'm always surprised. It's like when I go when I'm dead I'm like Oh, wow, really? The big difference between how because in cola duty, it's who sees who first. Yeah, it's very rarely Who has the better aim if you see them before they see you you you probably want super encourages camping Yeah, oh, yeah it is yeah, because I've um in A lot of it has to do with not just time to kill but your ability to navigate the environment In battlefields for instance, you're not you you're not particularly spongy You can't take up that much damage in a lot of Circumstances, but you're gonna have enough time and there's generally enough cover around that you could get behind it If you start getting shot from a direction Uh to where you feel like there's legitimate counter play involved Um So in in in halo, it's more of in halos in older halos It was more of you can't necessarily escape or get away because you can't really move that fast And your your your jumping is very floaty and there's no clambering up system But you can soak up enough damage to where even if you get shot first There is an element of you could turn around and you could you know give them a run for their money You can turn it around. Yeah. Yeah So because there's so many instances in like in battlefield where you'll be running around you'll get shot from somewhere But you'll get to cover and you'll be like, okay I think they're over there and and that's when you know the fight sort of progresses It just plays out in its own, you know, it's in a different way I'm just thought of something because when I stepped out somebody mentioned movement sprint Yeah, uh, what what what do we think? I'll find a sprint. Um, I'm okay with it. Yeah And the fact that it doesn't expire you can just like Keep sprinting all through around the map until you find somebody. I'm okay with that Fine with it. I don't know if I would prefer just Basic faster overall movement without sprint. Well fun fact about sprints in this game. It ain't that fast Oh, no, it's like 10 percent maybe I think it's about 10 percent. It's not much faster at all It isn't much faster And a big thing the big difference between this sprints and sprints in every other halo game Like as soon as you stop sprinting you're back to aiming like almost instantly In fact, there might be no gap at all between like the second you let go of shift and then when you can start shooting You can actually see it right now on screen Yeah, I know there. Yeah, there was Well, and so that's that's a question right is because people would be like So you've added sprint that doesn't detriment you in terms of your ability to aim and isn't that fast What's the point and I think the only point is that it makes people think that they're going faster than they are Yeah, I think it's literally Look at because you got little speed bars on the side that go like oh, you go real fast Yeah, but you're not though, but you think you are It could be sometimes because I must take them before me getting shot at Yeah, I've had that I can turn those off really quick But uh, but the thing is I think that's all it is I think it is there just to trick you into thinking that you have sprint when you really don't have sprints Yeah, um, which might make it the best sprint system that halos ever had Maybe because it's super anemic and safe. Yeah, it's nothing. It's it's nothing. It's lesson on that. Um Yeah, because reach is super fast four and five is really fast five tried to balance it by having your shields not regenerate when you sprinted Which was that's a cool thing But at the same time it still has the overall effect that these maps are huge these maps are enormous And sprinting is a viable option to get away from five fights Whereas this feels more like it's nudging us back to what it used to be You can run and you do go a little bit faster But you ain't going that fast if you get yourself into a firefight running away is probably not going to save you And you don't need to make the maps too big because the sprint isn't that fast Uh, yeah, you don't need to think about that. It still takes a while to get across the map, you know Yeah, it's a good speed as you'll put this sprint. I don't know that i'm celebrating it It's fine the way it works I I guess it's just I think it might be the best system that there is And uh, as someone mentioned in chat, it helps with sliding I think there is a momentum system here that you can use to your advantage with like running Using grapples and and of course, I think there will also be an element of in campaign It's probably going to be real fast. It'll be much faster in campaign And it makes sense Maybe it's happening campaign just because there are these big open worlds that you want to get through Yes bigger spaces you're fighting against computers And you know, if you're making a video game, you probably don't want something as fundamental as sprint to just be in campaign And then when you go into multiplayer, you can't run. I think that would send Really mixed messages in terms of controls Like you want a unified control scheme and if you have sprints And you just have sprint be not that much faster in campaign but in multiplayer In in multiplayer rather and then in campaign it's super fast Maybe that's the way to do it right Yeah, there's a hypothetical version of this game where You don't the sprint doesn't exist and everyone just moves a little bit faster I don't know if that would play out better or not. I guess we'll never know You move pretty fast in this game. I think yeah, you don't feel like it Yeah, where it Whereas I think in halo like four and five it felt appreciably slow to just walk around How do you feel about the um I've never been more snuck up upon in another halo. I will say that I I get snuck up on Much more in this game than I have in other halos. Yeah And I don't know if it's it's if it's footstep integration or if it's The range of the the motion sensor But I I definitely don't use these things. Um, they don't feel as if they're Especially the the motion sensor in particular doesn't feel as Useful and incredibly powerful as it does in other halo games I feel like sometimes when I see people on it, they're just already on me Like they're just already are they're hitting me with their hands Um Yeah, it's something that I've noticed. Uh, I never feel like in other halos I would be like, oh shit. There's just like someone here in my face There's generally an aspect of all halos where the motion tracker is very very important You can mitigate it, but you need to be paying attention to it. It's very important And in this one a lot of the times I just I don't know if it's the range of it Or I don't I'm not sure what it is. It just doesn't feel like it's much use I don't really have anything to compare it to. I haven't played the other ones that much, but From the feeling it feels fine I'm okay with it. Yeah, I don't feel like it's happening too much I don't feel like I get snuck up on often at all. I mean sometimes I feel like my spawn is a bit wonky I was actually gonna ask you about that as a subject. How does everyone feel about the spawns? Mostly fine Sometimes in the map you get caught in the in the change of the spawns when you do team slay I think it is And then suddenly you're surrounded by a couple of enemies But that happens not That much that it annoys me greatly like it wasn't call of duty, for example It's got better sports than water warfare. Yeah No, I'm okay with the spawns. I'm I'm cool with them Yeah, I think I I don't I I'm not in a place where I'm Like I don't remember being horrifically spawn killed many many times. Exactly. So it's probably okay I feel like that would really stick with me if it was an issue Because I already know in 2042 the sponsor can be horrendous based on where it puts you and Where you want to be and it's the So Yeah, for me it was like once or twice But even then I wasn't sure if it was a bad spawn or if I just didn't take long enough to move because I was distracted by something No, it could definitely happen that you get caught in the changing of the spawns You're all alone all of a sudden it can be tough to implement a really good spawning system for getting you into the action relatively quickly But also safe Yeah One thing I will uh just while I'm Sort of thinking about it while it's on my mind one thing that does legit annoying me about this game is that the um There doesn't seem and maybe I'm wrong and I've just had really bad luck But I don't think that there's a prioritization system for picking up an objective when there's a bunch of stuff scattered on the ground Uh, there's definitely been times an odd ball where I'm just like pick up the ball No, no, no pick up the fucking ball. No, no, no. I'm looking at the ball Give me the ball pick it up and you're just sitting here trying to just pick up the one thing you want out of this pile of grenades and weapons and whatnot and Uh, that can be annoying I haven't noticed that but I I agree that that they should take priority over typical pickups Hello, I'm up back. You got really upset with whatever I said, I guess Oh Yeah, um, I I guess I saw your list there because your list has got sounds and stuff It's like yeah, the game looks great. That sounds great. There's not much more to be said about that Yeah, I like the sounds to it. It looks it looks good. I really like the aesthetic Well, I was gonna say graphics and sound I guess would be an all in kind of a similar subject and chips are just aesthetics Well, yeah, the the big aesthetic thing is that the game looks more like the old halo games in terms of uh The the spartans don't seem over designed In fact, everything has got a more sleek minimalist kind of look to it But I think they very much salvaged the way that looked last Year when they showed off that demo where it just looked like fucking pastels like or like not like it didn't have any It didn't it didn't feel real. It looked way too cartoony Um, do you guys see those armor permutations they added to the the master chief collection? Uh, it's like spiky armor and shit like what the fuck are you doing? It's like Yeah, that one's goofy, but I do like to play doctor one. I still want to get that But otherwise I don't want any of those You know, I uh, I think I think the game looks Better now. It uh, it feels more in line with the old games Looks good. The weapons look like, you know, the weapons are well designed Alien and human alike the armor looks good. The environments look good Um, I I really like the way that it looks. It's very pleasing to I would say that stuff something that's concerning and I say concerning it's it's being confirmed. Um The the lack of biome variety multipliers isn't so bad because it's got the death and like the streets, but but the are The biome variety is going to be lacking because three four three have already stated that there is one biome Like in campaign and it's pacific northwest. That's that's the only biome in it And it's like man, I really like that biome, but fuck no mountains. No deserts. No deserts. No no rainforest No jungles Yeah, that's kind of uh They're not they're not here and I wonder if that's going to translate in the multiplayer maps because all three of the big Team battle maps are the same at broad aesthetic Pine trees grassy with some dirt tracks and stuff and temperate woodlands kind of Yeah, that's that's it And and it's weird because remember that original trailer for halo infinite that was sandbox It was basically just a trailer for the engine There were deserts in that I remember Um, there was more variety than that really dense forests and stuff and I I don't know if we're getting Any of that because they said that they're not focusing on that That's like man, I hope that doesn't translate to the multiplayer maps because like I could I want a snow map It's not that but be cool. Yeah Yeah, I mean and I guess it's this is um, because we're just not snowbound. I've got a veto that shit. No Not snowbound. Otherwise cheap will get pissed off I mean thinking about this in terms of the content because it's like 10 maps and there are 10 maps in halo three And someone would be right to point out. Well, it takes longer to make maps now It takes longer to make everything now. It just it just takes longer because of the graphics and all that that's uh That's true But people are ultimately going to be receptive to the content as it is not You you look at halo three and it's like there are a whole bunch of different Locations in like halo one two and three you got your snow areas you got your jungles you got deserts And you stand in like forests and pine trees and stuff um And that was there and it didn't take as long but people don't really care that it didn't take as long They're only going to be receptive to what is in the game um Also, I'm not literally wrong the three btb maps have pine trees and grassy and and dirt tracks All three of them have those They look different for sure, but they've still got the same general biome um But I I guess it's on that it just makes me wonder it's like How do you get over that that it takes you way longer to make all of this content? But people ultimately only see Oh, but there was more variety here like there just was there was more variety in these maps Um snow desert alien ships. They don't have here Um Like that you fight on I don't know I wonder how that uh that affects people's perception of the map variety because the maps have a lot of variety in terms of their design um, but the aesthetics are a little bit more Tethered together, um, not too bad in the smaller like four view formats. There's a lot more variety there But the big team battle ones there Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't think of that I didn't know about the halo infinites ring having a single biome I I don't know if the ring is we'll have it. It's just that the open world setting I think they've said that that was their focus was just the campaign only takes place within one biome Yeah, seemingly, uh based on a dev stream. I think where they talked about it Yeah Because I think the ring's like damaged, right? So there's probably chunks of it that are inaccessible or uh either damaged or being built That's how they wouldn't be justified though. I guess. Yeah Um, which yeah, I don't know. I guess it's like if you do really well in capturing the environment I think they've done a really good job in rendering in these environments. Like it looks great um But I do wonder because again Halo one was made by like 40 people versus, you know, like 500 where it just takes a longer to build a single area But people would just remember Yeah, in halo one I went to a whole bunch of different places and then in this game I only went to one place even if it's an incredibly well-realized place Good, I'd be surprised if it was even 40 people I thought it was just a bunch of guys in a garage like doom Maybe i'm yeah, maybe i'm mixing up. I know that halo two had like 60 people which was huge at the time Which is funny to think about definitely what about size by then, you know Funny to think about now 60 is like That is not a lot of people to make a video game now No, and you don't not every game has to have cutting edge incredible graphics Um, if you put out a game that it's it's it's like it looks fine, but it's just full of different stuff Maybe not for us, but I'm I'm a little more cynical. I don't think I think people look I mean halo infinite had shit graphics in the reveal and like it looked it didn't look good Um, and it was turning people off. I think people I think I don't know and and I wouldn't have been happy but looked like that when it came out because I would have expected better There are expectations that people are going to have when it comes to like The big games for platforms or big teams working on these things and I think people expect graphics to get pushed forward And I don't know that we can just expect Well, no make it look worse and people will be cool with that. I don't think people are cool with that I don't even know that i'm cool with that necessarily. That's the thing Well, if the trade-off is we don't I would take the trade-off I would take the trade-off for sure But I think the problem is that I watched that halo infinite reveal and I had the same gut reaction as everybody else This doesn't look good Um, it looked very flat and boring. Yeah, I didn't like freak out or anything, but I was just like a bit Simple And I guess that's the thing if you've got us Who are probably going to be much more willing to accept worse graphics in favor of If it if it helps the game out overall and even we look at that and go, oh, that doesn't look good Then imagine if you've just got like the average player who's like, dude, that looks shit. I don't want to play that That person definitely exists You see them getting arguments all the time over the console was arguing whether like god of war looks better than Halo infinite or like fort serve versus uh grand charisma Graphics even um whether or not the games look better on either console like Yeah, it's it's a better visual experience on ps3. So you got to do it on there. Okay People do care about graphics So I don't know that it is reasonable to tell a developer Yeah compromise on something that could seriously hurt the sales of the game I could imagine they're told like that's primary. You gotta fucking nail that They probably are yeah, especially if you try to watch a console All right, like halo infinite needs to be a showcase for the xbox I don't remember what film it was but when I saw one in the theater one of the ads are about Minecraft in 4k and I remember being like like that was the ad like the ad was showing bits of Minecraft But it just kept repeating it's like it's in 4k minecraft and everyone like okay I didn't know that everyone was clamoring for minecraft and forward. All right, and that's like a mainstream ad too I remember the early days of you know ps4 xbox one Like resolution that was a huge topic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah everybody's talking about 720 versus 1080 dynamic 900p Man battlefield 720p on xbox blood. Holy crap. Like I remember that So How's this game gonna feel against uh the other fps is directing for me very well I am battlefields. Shit. Yeah 2042 is an absolute dumpster fire and I'm not touching vanguard with a 50 foot pole. Yeah same As far as the three go This will be the one that definitely would get the most of my time. Um, I I don't think battlefield 2042 will ever be good I think that fundamentally it's just lacking and it's not okay, uh Slight slight tangent this last week. I've played like with some friends Three new game four four new games. So we've So 2042 came out that was terrible. So Then we tried, um Back for blood. We like that. We tried deep rock galactic. I've been loving that. I think it's great Um, you know, we've played infinite a bit. We're sort of lukewarm on it We're so so on it, but it's definitely been the one that we would play of the new ones um Now this might come as a surprise to some And I'll elaborate it in a video to come on dog bites, but I I picked up the definitive edition for battlefield 5 Uh the other day was yesterday and I played that with some friends and it is unironically amazing It's pretty good. Um, it's like it I love it. I love battlefield 5. It's um The ox is complete It's fine because I I randomly picked it up a couple of weeks Maybe a month ago as well because we just went back to play battlefield 1 And you're like man, if I just won't check out battlefield 5 again I'm with with a good time. Like I didn't remember that being that fun It's battlefield 5 one of the period games like world war one world war two. Oh, okay Um, so it it's certainly we played it I've got about seven or so hours in it now I don't played with friends and we legitimately had like a blast it is that game is Very mechanically rich. There's a lot of incredible details and great stuff in that game It looks great. It runs great um And it kind of makes me upset That how that game was ruined by the horrific trailer And the terrible marketing and the awful pr When the game itself at least in its current state is Legit fantastic And we will we will play a lot of battlefield 5 I've already had people who said that you know, they want to You know play it once they get back up again We've just really we really really liked it and to go from five with all of the cool shit that they added Um with all the mechanics and balancing and things To go from that to battlefield 2042 it makes me upset Like i'm i'm i get angry at how how horrifically Poorly the series has been mistreated as a result of it So It's a slight tangent over but man halo is easily the best of the three when it comes to the new shooters this year We'll probably play in that way an amount Uh, but we'll we'll probably stick to a lot of other Uh games as well either be they old battlefield games, maybe old halos Just co-op stuff like you know back for blood deep rock galactic and Remnant and some other stuff like that but like comes to multiplayer new stuff I think halo's gonna run away with our time if any of them do it's that one Yeah I saw a meme the other day that changed battlefield 2042 title to 20 to dash 42 frames per second Uh But I I mean, I don't know what it plays like is there nothing to be said for like the environment tech with tornadoes and shit and you know No I mean, I don't know. I'm curious it looked cool, but the tornado is It's there to look cool I that's it. It's just one of those like oh is tornado. Well, I'll be over here then I guess because that's a tornado I'll just not go over there a lot of tornadoes. I noticed they're just popping up all over the place. So my goodness Yeah, does uh, does that game have any like water vehicles, you know boats or uh anything like that? I don't know Actually, I do not know because my media thought it's like a tornado. That's cool, but you assume Five does Well, I Yeah, um, I guess it's just when you think about the weather I presumed that the tornado was like putting their foot forward of like one of the things it would be in the game I thought there'd be other weather events too Okay, um, maybe quick sand forest fires lads crazy Yeah, you know desert storms and stuff, but then it's like oh, there's the tornado specifically There is some I think there's some visual effects that can pop up here and there But when it comes to the big stuff I think tornado is really it and I guess that was just Someone thought that this will be the thing man. We're gonna sell them on a tornado And I guess you you figured that if you were gonna make weather a system that it should be like an overarching system Not just one specific I guess weird I don't even Out of context. It feels so weird. It's like play the new battlefield. They got tornadoes now. You're like What? Weird movies this specifically tornadoes Yeah Is there any cloud computing for like mass destruction or anything like that or I know the destruction tone down significantly Uh compared to just like all of the other battlefields. There's there's there's a shocking amount of surfaces that would just not take damage and crumble Um, that the destruction has absolutely been toned down quite a bit I feel like cloud computing that was a uh because I god, I remember the discussions when people tell it like crack down three Oh my god, it's gonna use the cloud to have like destruction the cloud And then of course the immediate observation is dude like Most people don't have internet good enough to to do that. Um to facilitate that cloud computing stuff I imagine it will become a thing in the future, but like I don't think we're there yet Um, yeah, I think internet is good enough across the world to uh to allow that to happen Yeah I know we're playing um back one three So one of the maps we were playing in battlefield five and we have played we have played like six seven hours I don't think we've gotten the same map twice. It's kind of been crazy Uh, how many maps we've been getting in the incredible variety of maps. Uh, one of them is It was on like a snowy mountaintop map I just i'm bad with names And It was clear and then a storm rolled in And it was really like a blizzard and it looked fantastically good It looked better than anything in battlefield 2042. So weather effects can be really impressive if you do them right Um, which is what they probably should have gunned for instead of an all-or-nothing tornado Um, wow because that was probably really difficult to develop. I would imagine probably a tornado in battlefield very hard Okay, so just don't do that and put the time into things people want That's Yeah, because if you don't have a tornado you can't put a tornado in the trailer in the trailer. Yeah, and then in the Like oh, it's in the tornado And the trailer got really hyped everybody's really hyped after that trailer look how pretty the game looks look at these tomatoes Because as you are highlighting it almost sounds like we're building a new franchise maybe like an fps We're where there is as plays a significant role. It's based in 2,506 Where there's just constant horrible weather effects, but that's just that plays into all the gameplay or something Be like we've got a tornado. It's like, okay Is sort of um It's so there's this huge incongruency with battlefield 2042 like it was I am convinced that game was a br and they were told to turn it into a battlefield game I'm I am convinced of that. Um There is a huge tonal difference between The specialists and their little quippy lines and all of that and the world in which they exist Wow Have you seen commercial for battlefield 2042 that's been going around? It's weird So like you remember how battlefield one had like really intense marketing where it was and then it had you know Like the seven nation army and stuff that was kind of cool But it was opening for battlefield one was great. It had a tone um That didn't feel too dissonant whereas battlefield 2042 has a commercial where like all these operators Are like jumping around and celebrating how much fun they're having. It's like do yeah Like what the hell Jumping around having fun They're happy and they're having a great time and fun and they're super quippy And they're like how I'm like at the end They make their little stupid asshole comments because they're a bunch of stupid assholes And they're like, yeah, I was better than you or yeah still got it and things like that Like they're like you're celebrating being like they're aware. They're in a a funsy multiplayer game and then the world is Like you have natural disasters and there's a there's this huge city That's just like sand dunes have covered this city or Things of that nature you have like countries are are at war and there's this big global conflict and That resources are a little bit, you know scares So the people in the world they're in there's a huge disconnect between them. There's a it's a very tonally confused game And it's very strange to see it play out. It's not like that For one or five. It's like they're they're like, oh, what a time to be alive. It's like dude I this is This this really post-apoc like crazy future where the world is falling apart and there's crazy weather events Countries are at war and they got like a youtube gaming arena in the trailer as well. It's like dude What the hell like what is this? It's just this amalgamation Like I uh fortnight's done this as well where it's just like amalgamation of pop culture elements and things if you would have told me like two years ago that if There's three fps coming out from one of those is battlefield and i'm not going to be playing battlefield I would call you an insane person because i've always been playing Yeah, like battlefield it's just Like even the bad ones we like me and my friend knows we always played that at those at least a couple of days like At least except heartline. I feel like everyone skipped heartline. I don't know what happened with that game Was it the I heard it was fine. I just wasn't it. I was this role. Yeah It should have just been its own new ip focused on cops and like instead of a battlefield game where it's basically a terrorist attack in multiplayer Yeah with rocket launches and shit It's just funny to me that i'm not playing battlefield right now, which I normally would do But halo is just way better way better. I mean curiosity. Is it replacing your The mcc gameplay now for me Do you think yeah, I uh, I like to be playing infinite. It's it's new I played a lot of halo three over the last year. So i'll be playing this but I do wonder if i'm going to get bored I get I get nervous that uh, there's not going to be they need to start adding a new maps and and moans. I'm Pretty one single player again Uh, december 8th, right? Yeah, something like that and no co-op until may that is I do what are you doing? It's december eight because the number eight is an infinite symbol That's right Whoa, I just blew your minds and just like the infinite symbol and the number eight We're taking the formula and turning it on it You would think that you would build it from the ground up to have co-op because it's halo. I'm confused about that myself Well, I i'm not sure of you guys because halo five had co-op, but it was online only there was no split screen Yeah, I remember that came out because they wanted squads Yeah, of course they were The whole industry has been ironing out split screen locally, isn't it like the only ones that are left are like Fucking over cooked in double a games will have it Well, you know the lego games that refuse to have online Well, that was the thing with our It had uh Luigi and page and stuff, but you couldn't do it online for some reason because it's nintendo Yeah, like what the fuck why are we split into the camps of only split screen local only online? How about you both do both? How about that? just do both Also, I think an aspect of this that needs to be remembered is these companies They're not the same as they used to be like the physics the people who work there all of these companies dice bunder bungee Blizzard It's all of them. It's just different people. It's just totally different people. I don't think the dice I don't think dice has the talent at the studio capable of making a battlefield I I just don't know if they do i'm less i think Usually i'm much more inclined to say that it's issues with leadership and the decision makers either at the studio or the publishers Rather than the specific people on the ground I get the impression that a lot of the developers are incredibly talented Yeah, there's definitely a lot of talents. They're really good at art. They're really good at design And coding and programming and putting in all these systems and stuff, but it doesn't They have that capacity But the decisions that are being made higher up in terms of what games you're going to be making and what features you can do And what you have time to work on I think that those are just going to make it difficult for them to uh to max like execute on these things And in the case of infinite, they did bring back joe statin who's like a veteran since the first game And he's like they brought him back at the end of last year So you gotta know how much Even back then he was Referred to himself as like the story duct tape guy who would just he was the story guy. Yeah You take all these like mechanics and story Plot beats that weren't quite fitting and he would find ways to make it all blend together and and when the halo infinite development process was in dire straits because it was in Shit creek for a while there, but then they brought in joe to like, okay We like we need somebody to rein this all in for us across a bunch of different teams and departments Can you do this and I was worried that he was going to be the fall guy if this If this project was going to fall on its face, but it seems like they're pulling it together You just made me think of something that probably was I think This game had very bad development cycle And clearly reasons certainly the first half of it. Yeah Yeah, the reason why it is so lacking in the content is because I think that what happened Was when he was brought in it was like, all right We got we got to have something for net we just got it We got to focus in and like really focus in on these specific things and have something out That is good And works and has content and we have to try and fix the other stuff later Like we we just got to focus on delivering this product. I think that's what happened here Yeah, but there was a much bigger game that they wanted to make I do wonder I think I think when campaign comes out This theory will basically either be confirmed or we'll see then we'll see what the campaign is Um And and and then and then it's like we'll fix it from here. We'll we'll build up from here, you know Do you see parallels between this and anthem? um Kind of but anthem is like I do I the problem is I read I remember reading an article. I think it came out last year It was a developer who would left 343 Who had basically said that there were a lot of problems, uh, because because this is something you might not know Joe Staten is I think he's either the third or fourth creative director on this game The other ones left In fact, yeah, because I think there was um, there were multiple and then they left over the course of the years Because they were building this new engine and and then like try to make the game and stuff and that he He's like the fourth one they've had to come in to basically make it happen um And I just see someone in chat say 343 should have just restarted from scratch It's like dude metroid prime 4 that is an anomaly that doesn't happen Where you say, yeah, it wasn't working. We're just going to start all over again Usually it's either get it done or it's cancelled. Um, it's not often that you'll just redo it That is very rare And um, I don't even know that microsoft can afford it because what other exclusives do they have for like the xbox What else is there right now for it? So I guess But nothing else. Yeah, not until I mean until the really the big Bethesda ones come out whenever they come out Well, starfield is next year. Maybe uh, because it might get delayed um Elder scrolls a long way out fable is seemingly a long way out. Perfect dark. I doubt that's coming out for a while Um gears of war. We don't have anything at the moment. So it's like, yeah, what else is there, you know? um Yeah, they needed something. I think that's that's all this is they needed it out this year if they couldn't delay it anymore Six years, you know Yeah, the longest wait between a halo game by far Yeah, you're like, uh, six six years for this is like, uh, something that oh man It's what something happened a lot of things definitely happened more than more than a few things happened Well, 343 is outsourced the development to at least like three or four different companies Yeah, but I think that's just part of the industry at this point with these big games. You have a lot of contractors involved um, yeah Fair enough. I because I think uh, I think last semester had like Like a third or half of the stuff was contracted as well because it it's just the amount of assets and things You need to make for modern games It's just you need and you can just imagine how that slows things down Right where you like you have like a completely different company remote somewhere else Working on a huge chunk of the game and then they send over their assets and they're you're like, what the fuck? how did you code this like Like just like trying to look at it from the inside out It's like how are we going to integrate this with our systems and you can imagine the amount of miscommunication and time it takes to like Sort all that out I think that's the hard part about making these big video games now is just that It's not possible to make a game like this Without like a thousand people involved in some way Because someone needs to make all of these assets somebody needs to texture the rocks and like the vehicle And there's way more polygons and way more textures that needed now than there was 10 years ago two years ago And I got to imagine that that just causes issues where it's like you need to make decisions about the gameplay itself And the assets you need and you need to lock them in Yeah, you don't have time to to mess around. You don't have the ability to Make tweaks or changes that are too substantial. You need to know what you're making and make it Right and and then what what consequences does that have on gameplay? Like how how adaptable can you be to the to the demands of like consumers or players and things like that? um It doesn't surprise me that a lot of Studio heads in a lot of companies seem to leave to then do smaller projects I got to imagine it's incredibly difficult to manage a project like this Right if I was going to be in the industry, I would not want to work for most triplay companies I'd want to have like some double A level saying you have a game Yeah, we know all the people you're working with Well, it's the whole thing of uh, it used to be That a single developer's contribution to any game could be like a substantial portion of it that there'd be one guy who You know design like makes a whole level But now you need teams per levels and there are multiple teams per level because you got different People who are doing design you got people who are doing the art Uh, and they all got to work together and it's like yeah It just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and each Contribution that any person can make get smaller just by virtual how long it takes for each person to make each asset Exactly guy used to have an animation guy for all of the enemies and animation guy for all of the gun You know I was just gonna say that like the the bigger the team gets you'd think You know, you'd be a bit happier because your job gets easier But I think people a lot of people just feel like a smaller and smaller cog in this huge What's my impact on this? Exactly. So their job satisfaction goes down in proportion with the team growth and then it's like, you know I would rather like work on my own game at home In my pajamas or like with a smaller team at least You hear that a lot more so now Because the reason why i'm thinking about this is the guy who directed halo five He left 343 to make a team of like 30 people To make a smaller game And I think naturally be like dude, you leave him like making halo games like just make Game with a team of 30 people. Why would you do that? It's like well If you I don't know like if you want like a less stressful job Where are where each person of the team can make more of a contribution to the whole game Uh, and you've got less bureaucracy to to way through then. Yeah, like you might want to make that choice There are games that I play that they just look like they're a blast to make games like enter the gungeon and Yeah, yeah Development as an idea when you see these little games that were made by even one person like uh, stardew valley. That was one guy One guy who made this really cool game that sold like millions of coffees because it was a cool idea that likes Undertale minecraft Yeah, well minecraft is yeah, it's terraria one guy I probably was I have been watching um the the dev streams. I this is kind of actually a This departs from the norm for me because I normally don't watch this sort of thing But i'm uh, I like seven days to die a whole bunch and the team who makes that the fun pimps They have been putting out like live streams and stuff on twitch for the alpha 20 release which is going to be a huge update for the game and You like hey, this is this is this is joel. He works on the levels He's like in this so joel talks about I did this and I did this and then this whole building I made and these whole things and I did all that and that like, okay This is john he works on the animations But is okay, they do this and this and this this is bill. He works on the new models So yeah, so I did this with a model and he looks like this and now this zombie looks like that So I did all that and they're just talking about all the stuff that they put in the game And how like they have a guy who does all the models they have a guy who does the levels They have a guy who does the the weapons and everything and so They're just talking about all the stuff that they made in the game And you're like that looks like the kind of thing that a lot of people would if I was a game dev That would be what I would want. I did all of the guns for this game I did all the cool zombie models for this game all of that. That's me I had a very real impact on this project and it would not be the same without me if I wasn't there Right and you want to be able to like claim ownership over a singular aspect of like a video game, right? Yeah Still think that tree is me I did tree number one five No, I I was the second pass. I did the second pass on tightening up the ansie aliasing 327 and 7b and that was me Yeah, and every once in a while when I play the game and I walk by bush 7 I'm like, uh, I remember I remember those days where I was making sure that the Light from this other guy's project would shine on my bush and it would look all right Yeah, that was that was me Yeah, I'm halo John halo Jonathan halo So What else is there uh hopes for the future of this game? um mostly More maps and modes that's that one progression Yeah Oh my god, like just tether it to xp. I earn in the game. Please keep the challenges You can keep the challenges is let me unlock Let me earn xp through my performance in the game. Please Yeah More maps more modes better progression Much better. The big thing is progression if there's a bunch of stuff to unlock in this game And it's not a pain in the ass to get it that will significantly help Um Because it feels good to unlock, you know more armor pieces and more effects and more stuff like that Especially if it's kind of meritorious in a way um Because there's there's definitely a platform here for weapon skins decals customization options things of that nature so Where it goes we'll see I have If this game turns out to be either The multiplayer player will probably be fine for a while um But if this game turns out to be a disaster in terms of campaign and the rest I guess I won't be surprised, but if it turns out to be amazing. I also sort of won't be surprised It's that it could go anywhere Kind of feeling I have I suppose we'll do a part two for that Suppose we will Um, yeah, I I but I've got there's some level of hope for this game in terms of it Oh, yeah, this game is absolutely I don't know if battlefield is fixable. I just don't know Although significant updates Because even because I imagine in my head battlefield 2042 Working perfectly as intended and I still don't like that game Right whereas here it's like the game is working The game is working like it's polished. Um mechanically Uh, we there just needs to be changes made if you add more content, that'll really help you add more game modes That'll definitely help a bunch And you can you can probably change the progression system relatively easily Um, and that'll be fine. And if you make those changes, you're already in a really good place It sucks the forge is it's so far away But um, I think the big thing is they need to keep the players that they have right now and you can do that by adding More content to give them more variety Hopefully until forge comes out and then and then players themselves will be able to do a lot more of their heavy lifting Um, yeah tomorrow they came out with an update You want to you want to play slayer or objective or a mix of both? There's playlists for each Yeah, also we added add in add infection add Add assault Yeah Add these modes will be too difficult to do as opposed to you know as opposed to battlefield where it's like All right, so we just need to like fundamentally change the mechanics That's not possible if really speaking of um updates didn't you go see the the rock star update for the uh remaster No, I didn't know I saw rock stars post. Is that what you mean? That's what I'm yeah, I meant. Yeah No, I haven't seen it. It's it's on twitter. If you if you look for it, you'll find it, but from memory. It's um They said like it didn't release to our standard It's like It really is it Well It didn't release to our rock star. You have no excuse rock star outsourced it to grove street games Which is a subdivision that handles the mobile ports specifically we'll So I think I guess the grove street games put it out and rock star didn't really look at it until they saw the reception They're like wait. Wait, wait, wait. Let's look at this. Oh Are you beaming? Is there a company called Grove Street Games? No, I'm serious. Yeah, they handle mobile ports. I love your beaming. So GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas for Android, they did that. And then Rockstar said, why don't you guys do the definitive edition? For some reason, I don't fucking know why. You know what else is unbelievable? The old ones are available again now. Oh, I know, right? Really? Oh, all right. It's the kind of shit where I just didn't think they would have the balls to do that. Like just be like, yeah, okay. It's just like fucking finally. I hate it when they do this. Yeah. Yeah, like, no, it's all of the customers that are wrong. It's like that Rockstar interview. What Rockstar did. Children that are wrong. They knew they could release this shit product and enough people would buy it to where it would make it worth it. And that's it. And then they got too much, too much pushback. And they're like, uh-oh. They got, I, I, they knew they would get the pushback. I think they knew, but it would be worth it. Enough, enough people will buy it. Because remember, they pulled the other versions. You can't buy the originals anymore. They pulled those. Well, they're back online apparently, right? Or they have now. They put them back. Well, now it's going to say I don't even know. And now, well, I think that's, I think that's part of the whole, I don't want to like crazy Illuminati mastermind this stuff, but they pull it from the stores. They release this abomination. The abomination is an abomination. Everyone hates it, but it doesn't matter that it's bad. Enough people bought it to make it worth, to justify the minimal work they put into it. It's fine. Enough people buy it because of course they will. We're rockstar and we're re-releasing, you know, quote unquote remastered versions of old games people love. There's a backlash. That's all right. We expect that. What we'll do is we'll say sorry, then we'll put the originals back on the stores. And maybe that will get a lot of people to buy the older editions now that we have this new one that was, that's terrible. And we've made our money. I don't know. Reputation hit. It's fine. It's worth it. I appreciate the cynical perspective. I imagine that it literally could just be mismanagement and that they did not see this shit coming at all because I'm assuming people are going to be able to get refunds, especially if the developers have openly apologized for their shitty game. Probably. I think the reason that I'm taking the attitude I am is because it's so obviously terrible in terms of the like, it looks awful. Yeah. Because I agree. I agree. You're like, what is this? But like, is it, I mean, crazy things have happened, I imagine, where we're just, it's just like a series of comedy of ours, if you will. Like loads of people it went through just sort of went, this is fine. Like the rain, you know, some develop or game testers like, that rain looks a little bit weird, but it's fine. It's an old game being remastered. It's fine. Enough people say that. It's fine. There's a little problem. The rain is one issue, but a lot of atmospheric effects are taken out of all the games. Like GTA 3, the city looked really grimy and dark. You don't really get that anymore. It's all just generic, kind of flat lighting. Yeah, San Andreas. In San Andreas. Orange. Yeah, in San Andreas, you had this like low sunlight close to the horizon that would make everything like orange in the beginning cutscene, for example. And you had this like heat haze coming off of like the cement back in PlayStation 2. Right. And it looked really good. Like you get none of those effects anymore. Everything looks very flat. You get that Battlefield 5. What about Battlefield 5? Sorry. You get the heat mirages. Yeah. And the desert maps. It's probably the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. All that's gone. There's an attention to detail that is clearly lacking because they've outsourced this to a completely remote novice team. They use like an AI upscaler. They're just an AI to upscale everything, sir. Yeah. Yeah. Just, yeah. There's an example. This is funny. In Vice City, there's a mission where you fly RC helicopters and drop bombs into a skyscraper to blow it up. And the van is, it says on the side, top fun in the original Vice City. And it's obviously a pun, you know, top gun fighter jets. Yeah. It's a plain toy company. But in Vice City, the F is written in cursive. So there's a loop at the bottom. But that was interpreted by this new Grove Street Games team as top bun. And so in the remastered edition, it says top bun like it's a bakery company. Even though it's still like the van that has the toy planes in it. And it's like, don't you get the fucking punt? Like the gag? Like the AI doesn't get it. A lot of the jokes, though. Yeah. A lot of the jokes. The AI doesn't get it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand anymore. Our store. And it just doesn't work. Yeah. There's another. It was another example where you have a store and it's like a hardware store. And there's a big nut at the top. And the AI upscaler turned it into a circle. He turned it into a donut because just fuck quality. See that. And what is supposed to be a giant like nut is actually just turned. It's just a cylinder now because it smoothed out the whole thing. At that point, you want to put this on just loads of old games and play them just to see what it does. So it's like a crazy AI modifier. Like, oh, what will it fuck up? This is funny. And those are just the cosmetic fuck ups. I mean, there's a bunch of gameplay glitches as well. And the fact that they've increased the draw distance infinitely, but the spawn radius of cars is still as small as it has ever been. So like you can see all the way down the road, but like you're speeding down it, but cars will only fade in like at a fraction of like the distance. And so you got to swerve immediately. It makes you think no one played it. They just played the thing. For instance, like you talked about the rain earlier, the rain renders behind water. So if you are, if you are walking, if you're by any body of water and it's raining, there will be no rain effects on the water because the water will cover up the rain. A bunch of issues like that were shits around the right order in terms of layers. All the kind of stuff where maybe some guy didn't make a list and they were like, ah, oh, they would just, it's never got to them because I don't know. Well, they're rushed in time because maybe they go six months before they needed to get it out on time for the anniversary. Calls them a whole bunch of problems. Now the stuff that I'm just fucking I find it all really funny because it's so stupid. But I don't know. We're just in at this weird, never-ending era of games releasing before they're fucking finished. Yeah, fucking wild. I'm telling you, dude, like the movie industry probably wants to get in on this. Like, how do you do it? They can't get it on it. You can't patch movies, you know? Not yet, anyway. If you pre-order this movie... All the CGI... ...to X this. The CGI's unfinished. It's like great blobs. And it's like, we'll update it later. Yep. They're handled by teams who don't grasp any of the core intentions that went into the original version to these games. They don't have the passion. They don't care. They're just trying to get their job done. Yep, exactly. So is that it for game talk? Around exactly three hours? I want to touch on one thing before we move on about Halo. I noticed the slow XP progression. And that was before and after an update, like a 100 meg update I noticed it applied on Steam when I exited out. That I thought would speed it up a bit, but it's still the same problem. And I'm like, fuck, who's fucking dick? Do I have to suck to get some XP here? And fucking move this along and unlock some more things. Yeah, just find an experience. Yeah, then I learned in this discussion that it's, oh, because I didn't buy the Battle Pass. And I need to buy that if I want to speed things up. And I'm like, well, fuck, I'm not doing that because I don't care enough. And it just reminds me of like these practices that apply to a lot of game development now. Like micro transaction stuff, every menu has to have a shop tab. And, sorry, go ahead. Well, I'm assuming you're the same where once upon a time we had free to play and then it was like an aesthetic shop and the prices, because this is the scenario, right? If someone says it's free, you can play for free guys. Come on, they can do whatever you want. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't agree with that. If they had literally like slightly different shades at $1 billion per, it's like nobody would, everyone would think this is bullshit. So what is, what is a reasonable price? It's like, it's hard to say, but where they're sitting at right now feels gross. Oh yeah, I think it's $1 for white. $10 for decals, like for colors, 10 for colors, not even an armor set. Just colors. Colors that used to come with a base game. Right. If you want to do the free to play model, like a lot of MOBAs did, it's like you're supposed to offer full like crazy skins, all kinds of animations and particle effects and stuff that come with them. And that as a whole package would cost at most what like $15 for like the most elite and top ones. And those games were like full, just free. And that's how they made their systems for making money. It feels so fucking strange that we've got it with mainstream at this point. Like I don't know when that happened, but it's happened now. It's happened over the course of years by degrees gradually. What happened? Because I remember, I remember like back in 2013, when it was becoming, when games were starting to introduce micro, full price games, and there was a lot of pushback. And gradually over time, it's just become more and more accepted of like, well, yeah, games are going to have cosmetic microtransactions. Yeah, of course. And like, yeah, you know, the end battle passes. Yeah. It's okay if they're just cosmetic. Yeah, that's what it's become. It's more complex than that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's definitely. They find the smallest incremental step they can where nobody's going to complain, but they can start slowly normalizing this shit and just add, build more and more on top of it. Battlefront 2 was a bridge too far in the wrong direction. That was what they found out there. We can't do it that way. So we need to figure out another way to do it. And battle passes, I feel have comfortably slipped into the category of. You have to wonder if Battlefield 2 hadn't bit the hands. I wonder where we'd be right now. Ah, we'd probably be. Battlefront 2, sorry. Man, oh, that'd be way worse than where we are now, I think. You have to wonder, right? Because it, do you remember the, there'll be ads like microtransaction free? Like it's not even, you haven't got them in this game for a little while. There was some games that ran on that. I remember God of War being celebrated because it had like nothing in it that you could do to give it more money. He was like, no, this is the game. You've bought the game. But here is the fundamental issue. God of War sold really well, but like it didn't make as much money as the course not. They wouldn't be doing this if it didn't work really well. Well, so that's because I'm working on a script that's kind of about this topic. You look at the money that Call of Duty Warzone like alone generates for Activision. We're talking like a billion dollars of just on microtransactions. There's a lot of losers in the world is what we're saying. Well, and Fortnite, I think makes like two billion dollars. Like these games single handed, I think the big one was Active EA made more money off live service microtransactions much more than they made from points of sale because of course they did. A skin, a digital skin in a video game that you sell for 10 bucks. We're talking like fuck all investment in that. That would take like a week at most for someone to make and then you sell it and you can set the value of it because it's your ecosystem. You have complete control. You can say whether it's rare or, you know, or super duper awesome and legendary. You can sell it for a pretty high price. And of course you're going to make so much money off of that. It's it's it makes so much money compared to all right, we're going to invest five years into developing this game that we only sell once and and the you know, the publisher takes like a huge cut. And then you've got the cuts through distribution, manufacturing, whatever storefront it's on. And hopefully enough people like it that we can justify that as opposed to here's a game. We already have that we release for free. So like millions of people play it and we can create these skins that we can turn over pretty quickly. We can set them at a really high price relative to the amount of work that had to go into it. We control the ecosystem. We get 100 percent of the profits because it's digital like hell, of course, of course. That's what that's what's going to happen. It's a great model for making money. Look at how much fucking money they make without. Yeah, they don't make that. Why do you think five is for in game content? Selling you the online crap? And what do you think? I guess it doesn't exist. Why do you think GTA is nearly it's eight years? Why do you think they haven't made GTA six? They made so much fucking money through GTA online. You haven't figured out how to be better than they already are at it. So there's no point yet. If they figure out a big bit faster and better, they might do it. They will make a GTA six eventually. They will. But it'll also be a game where the majority of the money, despite the fact that Grand Theft Auto is like one of the best selling games of all time, it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the money didn't even come from those sales, but it came through the microtransactions and stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Wouldn't surprise me at all. It's a really great model for making money. FIFA, I'm pretty sure single handedly made like a billion dollars for EA. So and again, it really frustrates me because you see like videos on this subject that almost off you skate reality where it's like, ah, look, FIFA's in trouble. They might lose the name and it's like fucking hell. FIFA makes so much fucking money. Like it doesn't it doesn't matter what we when we're talking about these things. It makes so much money. And then like, oh, country might legislate. It's like America ain't going to legislate it. Or even if it does, it's still going to be legislated in a way that is not totally detrimental to the model. Because there'll be enough interest to make sure that the model survives. It's it's it's it's done. It's over. It's it works too well. And maybe it was always over from the beginning because microtransactions prown a lot of like our failings as human beings. I need to be special and get my super duper armor set because I want to look cool. Even I'm a special aesthetic. Yeah, I'm special. I don't want to wait that long. I would just pay for it. And it's it's the aspect of you can. So it's sort of a match made in heaven. It's the companies who are willing to make these business models and the fact that gamers will pay for fucking anything. You have these first person shooters and they'll be like, all right, I'll sell you this like apex legends, right. Pretty good battle pass, but everything else is trash when it comes to microtransactions. They're horrific. So oh yeah, I'll spend 20 bucks on one skin for one character in a game. That's a first person shooter game that I barely like never ever get to see really. And plus the only way to get it is to buy it and people know that. So when they see me in game, they'll just know that I just bought it. So it doesn't mean anything. So why am I but I'll still buy it because I just got to have it. And then of course there's FOMO fear of missing out on battle passes. Like, oh fuck, I want that super crazy Captain Price skin. Oh shit, I need to play it now and get into the battle pass now or else I'm going to miss out and it's going to be locked away forever. Or alternatively, the story I always use because it was the one where it's like, God damn, I hate this. Well, like I wanted that, I wanted that Mercy witch skin in Overwatch, the Halloween one. So then I bought some loot boxes to try and get it. It's like, this is stupid, man. Like you're wasting all this money to get this skin just because it's going to expire and then you won't be able to get it again. It's all of these things that like really take advantage of our failings of human psychology to make money. And I think that's the reason why I'm a lot more cynical about it now, like that it's done. Because I don't know, the only way to overcome it is that collectively millions and millions of people just have more willpower. I don't know, I don't see that. So it's cruise. This is definitely a bottom up problem. It's a bottom up problem. And there's no way that's, because remember, like when we talk about FIFA and those billions of dollars, we're talking about a lot of people who were just not engaged in the discourse. Like we're talking about people who don't know that there are videos on YouTube talking about this. They probably never heard of Total Biscuit or like any of these advocates. They just go and play the game and then they buy into it because they're not aware of the meta conversation about all of this. And they probably don't play any other video games. They just play Call of Duty, they play FIFA. Oh yeah, I'll pay 15 bucks. I ain't buying any other games that has that knock-on effect that like this is the game that you need to make to make money. There is just way more demand for, don't you think it's a little bit too fetus to say that something can't won't change? It won't. It absolutely won't. There's no way. This model just makes too much money. It's not just a change it must be due. Like this whole, like I won't buy this stuff but that's because I'm principle and a lot of gamers just don't care. If they even think that, if they even are aware enough that there is a problem, they don't care. The reason why that makes me feel better and it's just 10 bucks, it's fine. The reason why I'm hyposynical about it is if you picture it as a big monster that was attacking, we were firing like millions of rockets at it years and years ago. Now we're firing like pistol shots at it. It's like we've lost. Yeah, we're firing a lot less now. Yeah. I mean I'm cynical about it because I see it at my other friends. Sometimes they just buy stuff. It's like, you know, they don't care. It's like, oh, great. Yeah, it's just thanks. Well, yeah, because we have a stitch because I bought the battle pass for this game and it's like, oh, would you, would you have bought it if you know about the progressions? Like I might have still because like even I can recognize that I might want that cool armor. And this is coming from someone who's like pretty hyper aware of of the microtransaction landscape and all of that. It is, it is, I used to think that it was like uncommon for people to pay for these things. Now I don't. I don't think it's uncommon. I always like the South Park. And so they're like, you know, we can make billions of dollars of micro payments for Maddox. Like who cares? You know, we're counting on game. Game model, yeah. Yeah. I don't even think it is counting on the people, the whales who spend like $10,000. But those whales who spend $10,000. Think about it this way. God of war, you know, single player, no microtransactions, hyper focus on telling a story and, you know, being a complete experience, $10,000 worth of sales for that would have been. Fuck, I need my calculator to figure that one out with my brain and even my brain at work and dozens of copies. So we got 10,000. And this is let's assume that they all paid full price and that all of that money goes to Sony, which is not the case. Unless we're talking digital. That is 166 people who bought that game to. And that is that is the best faith that Sony gets 100 percent of the money off of that game off of one guy who played FIFA and spends like $10,000. And the guy who did that is spending more. He ain't stopping there. Exactly. And there are a lot of people who are going to be doing that. And then, of course, you've got like the average person who spends more than 60 bucks on a game because you want that Captain Price skin. You want that crazy super duper overwatch skin. Yeah. As Tonyl would say, they are on planet Mars. Yeah. I was going to bring up that exact thing. You guys hit on it perfectly. I'll just add to it that it's gotten to the point now where these triple A development companies will have psychologists on staff as consultants. And they will make recommendations as to how to specifically design the UI to maximally exploit the reward centers of the brain. And you know for a fact that they also can they have concerns about people noticing. They'll be like, we want to want to try and avoid the battlefront to situation. Yeah. So they'll just be they'll be just as covert as they need to be about it. You want to avoid it because again, you don't want the situation to happen in like the Netherlands or wherever it was or Denmark where they actually want to start legislating it. Like you don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want to do that. We don't want to get legislated. Yeah. And so and that's it's the reason why when you had the loot boxes the way that it was was the loot box slam into the ground and make the thud sound then it starts rumbling. Boom. All these crazy colors. Fire with thuds. It's the same thuds that happen when you're playing Call of Duty where and now every game with hitboxes not hitboxes, hit markers. Don't don't like these sounds. It's like, like that's the reason why they do all of this. It is just dopamine overload. So much dopamine. And yeah, I'm not surprised at all when you say the psychologist coming. That doesn't surprise me at all. I have no doubt that that is why. Yeah. To not be too doomer about it. The thing is like as I said with the monster example this shit was so much less invasive back in the day and we had so much stronger sentiment against it. It's flipped. It's only gotten worse. Yeah. It has flipped. Yeah. It's it's and those only work on smooth brains. No, they don't. They want every single human being every single human being is vulnerable to these sorts of things of like trying to get instant dopamine hits. That's why it's so effective. Yeah. Even even myself like if there's you know if it's really small maybe if there's like hey 50 pence and you can get this cool thing. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's it's it's very much. It's it's everybody. It's it's and that's the problem. I think that's the reason why I think that we're doomed on this in order to be effective against the model. You need to be hyper aware of your own psychology. Yeah. Like you as an individual your own psychology and the things that you're more susceptible to falling for. That's tough, man. And to get that across a whole industry. Nah, that's not happening. It ain't happening. Well, there's no way. Famously EA recently recently overstepped in this realm with Star Wars Battlefront. Right. With the loot boxes and people had enough and then they put that was that was specific. People temporarily had enough. That was right. I think at one time all I've now realized about that is I think we all perceive that as a victory. And it's like yeah. See look. Battlefront two felt and now got a war. Look at all those sales. And meanwhile you're just forgetting the whole landscape of like dude League of Legends. How much money does that make? Like every month. Like as much as God of War. Yeah. We've talked before. I had friends who just whenever there was new skins they just buy them and it's like do you even want them? And it's like yeah. I'll try them out. It's like you're paying so much money for these skins that you don't even. Yeah. Jesus. Right. And so I think that's what Battlefront two revealed to us. You loot boxes. I think that model. We don't want to do that as much anymore. We want to dial it away from that. We're definitely not doing game changing because medics. Hell yeah. Battle pass. Wait. So fear of missing out combined with getting people to buy into a system and still be able to buy things directly if they want to. Shit. That's a good system. Yeah. And we do free to play. We'll get more people to get in there. Less of a barrier to entry and potentially a much greater yield that we will get from those people rather than locking them off with the paywall to play. Damn. That's a good system. I don't know that any level of advocacy can you know counter the amount of money it makes. That's it. I just think that's where we're at. It doesn't matter how aware we are because broadly it is just super effective. Yeah. I mean what happened with the EA thing is like all of a sudden the line was drawn. And now all the companies are just like like the practices are still the same. It's just okay we can't cross this line. So let's but let's do whatever the fuck we can to exploit everybody as long as we don't cross that line and we're in within legal bounds. Dude it wouldn't surprise me if give it like another 10 years and they will cross that same line and it won't have the same result because it'll just be so normalized. Right. I wonder yeah like if we just yeah because I remember when 700 hours to unlock Vader as a playable character or something like that. Yeah. Fucking stupid. I don't mean because we're at a point now where it's like oh like 700 hours to unlock one skin or something you know for these guys. I mean in Halo it's just cosmetic. In Halo we're talking like 200 hours to finish the battle pass. Yeah probably. Yeah that's what I mean. We're just we're just inching every time with all these different games just just pushing a little bit. Right exactly. They'll push you. They'll push the line. The line's been drawn and they'll push it. And to keep this in mind this because I don't play much. I don't play Call of Duty or like I haven't played 2042. This system is probably not the worst one. The fact that it doesn't even expire where other ones do. This probably isn't even the worst one compared to other ones. And look at how much it sucks. For bad. So this these industry practices I feel have overtaken things to such a degree where I'm just so fucking jaded about. We're all a part of a generation that just wants to grill but play games. We don't have to deal with all this crap. Unfortunately you can still look to your double A's in the indie games. Yeah. You can find the games that try to focus more on creating like a full a fully rounded experience where you don't need to pay extra money and stuff. Yeah. Definitely plenty of those still around. Like you were saying Mahler I feel like the doomer guy without the cigarette. I just don't smoke. Basically the doomer guy but like a step further where it's like the sunken eyeballs and the frazzled hair. Wojak. But I and I also. Sorry go ahead. So for the people who don't even know what fucking teabagging is right like those same people is just like you do wonder everyone's still well because we're all of a particular age where you're like do they know what it was like to grow up when it was like just no internet and no all these features that come when you pay money a game is a game and you play it. Just when you unlock so you just unlock skins and they were a fun little thing. You can't help but think back to like you know like Ratchet and Clank that was one of the cooler games for just unlocking shit. Yeah. Obviously loads of loads of Easter eggs loads of just just little hiddeny things in games then you find out like oh yeah if you play it for the X amount of time if you do this this this you get this character. I remember like completing Spider-Man on GameCube and it was like do you want to play through the entire campaign but now with Green Goblin I was like what the fuck that sounds awesome. I get to choose to go around but nowadays you know for a fact that even if they made that which I don't even know that they would like a whole other character to play a campaign with you know it would cost money. They were like you can you can play the whole campaign again. But Castlevania I think Symphony of the Night It Was when you put in the name Richter and you just get to play as Richter the whole game it was like a whole complete moveset completely different gameplay. The ways you unlock like characters in all the Smash Bros. games I mean I'm assuming that's still intact right? That's not. Oh Nintendo's Nintendo's much better on the front but hey Nintendo still had the expansion pack for Nintendo Switch Online 30 bucks extra a year for fucking Nintendo 64 games. Like you kidding me? It was funny I think it was it was either real BBC or open Baba so instead of super chatted we had gotten to it but it said like like why is more of referencing video games you just placed children's ones and I'm like the children's games I play all of great practices when they were created okay? Luigi's Mansion there was no fucking microtransaction to get a better mansion was there? I know what you do is you make people you make people enjoy the game so that when you release the next game they'll be like oh I enjoyed the last game I'll buy this new game. Yeah. Now it's oh shit they like to release as much shit for it as possible while they're interested. Yeah. Yeah because it is just a huge it is a huge investment to put into a video game that may or may not sell well versus a game that you already have that is easily accessible because it's free and then you sell a bunch of things to basically get them to spend more than 60 bucks potentially anyway. Maybe there is something to that comment though like children's games being they actually have to make the gameplay engaging slash fun because they can't rely on children to be using microtransactions. Yeah. Well I mean because I don't I guess we don't know the state of ledges on terms because microtransactions and loot boxes and stuff and you know excess I guess the problem is again like I'm pretty sure that like Fortnite and stuff are technically like not rated for kids but kids play the fucker well of course I mean kids I played Grand Theft Auto when I was a kid like kids are gonna play I played Mobile Combat when I was a kid why not? Yeah. It's all a big web and it's just being pushed on all different sides at all different times and then they cross over and eventually we're gonna have another battlefront too but I think people will be less upset this time around. Eventually we will. I mean we have fucking channels just dedicated to like this whole opening scene. Encouraging yeah because they benefit off that industry. It's like man do you have like thousands of people watching them opening cards just to get the one Ronaldinho football man soccer ball and I think yeah we did it and then we just open more so they can build their super team or however the fuck that works what a fucking waste of money. Ultimate team. Holy shit. Ultimate team that's right. And this is this is where I get a lot of people. They love it. They buy it every fucking year and it's like what the fuck is happening? Dude all my friends they buy every fee for a football manager and yes something because with an E uh isn't it pro evo? Pro evo that's the one yeah evolution. They buy all of them every time I'd be like really though it's the same fucking thing. You know do you know how annoyed I got when they started that they started that shit with wrestling games? Like there was like one wrestling game every one or two years I was like yeah we're gonna do some wrestling build like a little little wrestler for myself because you can really create your own wrestler and then you and then it goes like oh that's the new one I think it was 2018 or 17 is the last one I bought I was like I have like 12 things I can choose from the rest I have to unlock somehow it's like what the fuck is this? It feels like there's some kind of subconscious awareness as well because some people seem like you need better friends like yeah but they were the same people who bought every new gears every new card every new halo and every time one of those came out it was more of an event and we all like scope the game out to see what it did change what is it better how is it worse blah blah the FIFA games be like oh yeah I picked up the new one yeah it's just it's slotted in my FIFA place where the other one was and now it's gone it's just like yep that's that and I because I'm I'm now I'm gonna go ultra-dumer now that I'm thinking about this because here we go everyone you have here we go I've still got points I want to hit but go ahead yeah so now's the time your bathroom breaks everybody I get really upset you see an example of like a high-profile live service game failure like Avengers and people will cite that as like ah see now people want gamers have rejected the model yeah no they want single player like that new Guardians of the Galaxy game yeah and it's like now see for every high-profile failure like Avengers you have the massive profound successes that more than make up for that for that like shortfall everybody wants to get their toes in there and people look and you saw it when when we found out when Ubisoft said that they're going to shift away from doing three to four like big games each year to live service and people like ah that's stupid it's like it ain't stupid it's gonna work whatever that Assassin's Creed live service game is that's probably going to make them more money than they ever made on any Assassin's Creed game ever and if it doesn't something else will if that fails something else will make the money it'll be like the next I don't know like fucking Ghost Recon or whatever they make we ain't getting Splinter Cell we ain't getting like a Splinter Cell game like that anymore because it just stays it worth it it's not worth it you're gonna you're gonna get a better return on investment by focusing on on making some live service Assassin's Creed or Far Cry or whatever or like in the same Ghost for Square Enix I'll give it another shot of course they will you want to have one of those games because it makes so much money by comparisons making like Deus Ex or something because for as successful as this Guardians game is and I hope it is by the sounds of it this really could it's still not going to make as much money in its lifetime as like Call of Duty Warzone makes in a month in a in a week maybe even it's just it's just a really effective model and then those devs get wiped out and replaced the people who are willing to well Crash Bandicoot 4 that was a really cool game and then later on Toys for Bob yeah we're gonna be supporting Warzone it's like fuck like you made a really cool game but it didn't matter it didn't matter that they made a really cool game that probably did okay because it's like okay for what four years three or four years of development time a huge investment up front we can just get those guys to make Warzone and that'll make us more money overall it just feels really weird to have lived through the entire like arc if you know what I mean because we were old enough we were there when all these things first got introduced and we've seen them get more and more pervasive that's just how it's happened yeah Timmy you don't understand things used to be different the only pay-to-win thing that we had back in the day was cheat magazines where you got all the cheat codes yeah yeah yeah the team strategy guides and stuff like that yeah the thing is there is there are so many great people would say I'm not like games aren't getting worse overall no they're not no they're not it's these it's the it's that this AAA level is a minefield it is there's still really good AAA games that are made by good companies you just have to like check and make sure and you have to avoid all the horrific ones and there is a thriving indie and AA level market that is is just waiting for your dollar like we like like the games I've been playing lately Deep Rock Galactic we have put a lot of time into that game and it is a blast it is super fun I would highly recommend that you play that game with your friends it is charming and full of vibrant life and it's got so much character in it and the season back the the quote-unquote battle pass it's all free they just threw one in yeah I just level up and do the challenges and we'll just give you this whole tree of stuff to unlock just as an extra bonus for it on top of all the stuff that's already in the game and go and play that one well and a big reason why they can do that just to just to make that point clear is you got these indie devs like what Activision EA Ubisoft Square Enix like these the publicly traded companies they have shareholders they huge overhead they have massive overhead they have like this is their job their job is to maximize uh revenue that's their job is what they're supposed to do whereas like with an indie dev you don't really have those those types of pressures you can make the decisions that won't make you the most amount of money just because you want to you know it's more of a focus on individuals who are doing something that feels like they really want to do that's channeled in a way that they really feel you know yeah worthwhile to do they just they don't have to make the most money possible like Microsoft they do Sony you know like you you're soft Activision to be fair as well because like I'm assuming you guys are at least vaguely familiar with like the genre of clickers or idle games right yeah yeah so correct me if I'm wrong isn't cookie clicker like one of the earliest ones that made it big I think so it's often one that's cited and then you've got one of the early ones as well was adventure capitalist now those two games they've grown completely differently like cookie clicker is extensive it has its own law I don't know if you know this videos made exactly what it means basically you could upgrade grandmas to make cookies if you upgrade them enough they turn into Lovecraftian creatures and they start to rebel against your oh my goodness it's it's a great you have an army of grandmas yeah yeah and so the obviously the game's basic satisfaction is you click 10 times and you buy a thing it means you get the same amount if you click nine times now it's like oh click nine times it's like buy another thing now you can get a grandma making some cookies in the background and you go go go go it's all just like everything gets quicker and easier and so it's just like that's the fun of it the thing is that game is like pre-built for micro transactions it's like easy you could just change everything to cost money and they do that in adventure capitalists all of the things you can do in that game I think you have an option to use real money to make it faster but cookie clicker doesn't and it still doesn't and this is what Jay told me so I can't necessarily confirm it beyond that but Jay said that the only monetization cookie clicker has is them the devs have a patreon and you can buy their shirts and I was just like cookie clicker is incredibly popular they could have thrown even the smallest amount of monetization right one dollar and you get a hundred times cookies easy stuff but they didn't and it's the I guess what I'm saying is Fringis talking about like the pressures that some people have it's just like yeah very true but there are some people who just choose to do it because they can and there's people who are like I refuse to add a principle and it's just like man we need more of those those people you know like yeah I had the discipline to draw that line for themselves and they won't cross it and the best you can do is encourage it like the I feel like we make a small difference by talking about this have I regularly some people say it was very doomy we're worth the good punished bad he fabbers just like we've covered this every once in a while it's something that we all find upsetting we all wash total biscuit back in the day and it's only gotten worse and yeah it's it's hard not to be doomer about it because there ain't there ain't gone back like there's no I get really frustrated when I see this almost this idea that like it's possible to return back to the old way it ain't happening and so I think that the better approach to fixing this problem is to recognize that the situation we're in which is just that frankly these games are incredibly good at making money much more so than the games that I think a lot of people would prefer to play and so it's just being more aware of that and then targeting your advocacy with that in mind with the knowledge that Call of Duty Warzone Fortnite League of Legends like the model this model is really effective as opposed to almost like tricking yourself into thinking no actually this is unpopular and what's really popular is like Sony third person action adventure games because look at how well got a war sold it just feels like you're not really going to get good results in terms of advocacy if you just fucking have a perspective that is just incorrect like fundamentally incorrect about the nature of this landscape Yeah, best to understand a lot of it but again with like the pushing the line if the next model combat comes out and like every fight that starts up you're able to press Y three times and it spends one dollar in your wallet and you get like 50% extra health just stuff and I think everyone would be like that's fucking insane what have they done it's like I wonder how long it'll be before that isn't insane though Yeah that's what gets me worried it's just accepted that the people willing to spend the most money are the ones who are just going to be doing better Yeah, because I can I can be okay with with this I can be okay with these skins I can accept that I don't like the way that it is right now and I'd like it to be better but I can accept that I don't want to be in the we see this big graph with the line going down we're more so concerned about where this is going less like if this were the worst of it we'd probably be like all right it's okay we can deal with this Okay, sure now as opposed to it could get worse where it's paid for like gameplay altering things I can see that future I can see that future we're battlefront so as a distant memory I can see that that scares the hell out of me Well that mortal combat scenario you just described it sounds funny but that's not that far away from like coin operated arcade machines which has already happened and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if we went back to that in some form for home consoles you know what I mean Wasn't it World of Tanks is like there was a golden tank you can buy with just more money and it'll just have more power and stuff like that that's the good old fashion one that everyone hates where it's just like you can pay and then you'll be better than everyone else it's like no I think it was it wasn't where there is the interesting thing is that's what would get a lot of players to buy but also put a lot of them off and now I think that they've just tried to transfer over strictly to aesthetics in that got to make these things people really got to get them to buy maybe maybe even option for content just avoid you want to avoid giving any kind of damage buffs because that'll really piss people off quick and if you wanted every person who buys that unfair damage buff it will cause X amount of players to just stop playing and never spend money so just sell skins instead and also though something that has been talked about by people that I'm now just remembering it doesn't matter whether you buy into that system it affects your games because operators that's because of this because of skins that's the reason why operators are so popular now because people want crazy super skins for operators so then it affects the gameplay you don't have classes anymore you have specialists and also just affects art styles as well like the death of art styles in these games where you have these crazy skins that don't match at all yeah like um like I wouldn't be surprised vanguard despite being a world war two game ends up having these crazy weapon skins that are super colorful and that game has red dot sights because you know you probably want your crazy red dot sight skin things that you used to be able to unlock by playing the game like in black ops too yeah it bleeds into other aspects of the game of course it will and if they want to eventually implement these ridiculous scenarios like what you describe mall are paying for more health what would be the most the most efficient way to get that started make the game free and so when I heard that halo infinite multiplayer was going to be free a bunch of people were like wow it's free oh my god my initial reaction to that was my eyes roll back in my fucking head because I was like I know what you're doing you don't fool me for a fucking second oh no someone in chatter said that this be leaked that vanguard's going to have captain america and indiana jones it's so done in the world war two game media captain america was around in world war two media was indiana it's this big blob now everything is everywhere yeah like in your cousin fortnight it's like hey look aloy from horizon is coming to this game it's like two rick sanchez and thanos gonna team up and that or is adds tomb right lara croft add resident jill valentine and captain america and yeah I think they're doing a matrix thing as well so of course of course they are the matrix yeah before them neos skins oh metaverse so what's that was that is like yeah metaverse that's the future when we're living in virtual reality world where people are just captain america and like one to woman you're ready to play a one lara croft yeah run it around I look at me I'm scorpion that's me get over here going to work just get those reports over here all right go to work sub zero sitting at a computer typing away just like fuck when's it gonna be five jesus yeah people are just the most lamest losers ever who are dressed up as these ridiculously badass warriors and then they open their mouths and it's like hey guys how are you doing guys you know yeah emion emion use with the work my uh there's a traffic I'm like for work I I got I got stuck there in the shower as far as because I'm sub zero when will they be a shrek skin in halo how long oh a shrek helmet yeah well that's exactly shrelmet that's acceptable a shrelmet we're adding that we're finally we're adding a swamp map to celebrate the release of shrek unlock the shrelmet by winning on the swamp map they got that little opening thing where you do your animation with shrek it'll be him yelling get out of my swamp I'm not gonna lie kind of on that now he wants a dog well that's that's why that's why it's never going away joey joey's funny though I think what we were just about to do there was the way it used to be where it's like you start it's like DLCs and expansions remember them you pay money and you get content remember that yeah yeah that was great I'm not saying they're all gone don't get me wrong it's just the when we like we mess around that we have like a swamp level that there's like animations and effects and actually specific things that happen in a voice pack and then maybe even a co-op level you're like oh we've just we've just gone from aesthetics into like actually content now that would be cool yeah yeah and that was it's the meme it's the meme that used to go around whereas the Mona Lisa and then like it had you know chopping it up and I think that's what I find interesting is our bar for what was unacceptable just it just keeps shifting it just keeps shifting like it used to be it used to be that we got annoyed that there was a season pass for Call of Duty that added a substantial amount of content post launch in the way of maps that used to upset us that that was like and of course pre-order bonuses but like god damn with pre-order bonuses like at least there was a whole bunch of content in the game that you had now whereas now with Halo Infinite you start it up you got one armor set and it's going to take you 200 hours to get all of them and you can't mix and match in the way you want and you can't do the skins the way you want it's like that's what we're at now and they can push the line faster and farther with a free-to-play model and it won't be absolutely right last game to do it there'll be more games doing it and then you know where to go you complain about these tactics that they're doing and the zoomer defense force comes out and they're like oh you're you're you're complaining about a free game you realize that don't you it's a free game it's like well yeah I guess all this stuff is fine then you fucking douche like you know that scene in chicken you know that scene in chicken run where they pour all the feed into the troughs and everyone's like stuffing themselves and the I can't remember the woman chicken she runs around it's like they're fattening you up don't you see don't you see what they're doing I feel like that character you know what I mean it's so what we need to do is we need to make a giant makeshift flying machine so that we can fly to Mars and create a new video came in just three that's the way to do it and meanwhile we're gonna have like the embodiment of EA clinging to the and you know what you know what it would all start over again because we'd go back like strict rules zero micro transactions but then eventually like but DLCs and expanses are okay you're like yeah cool and they go my DLC has just one level and a lot of skins that are right you're like yes like it'll be we're getting closer to the line it's just going to be like in in in rick and wardy where they're like all right no purging and then they leave and it's like all right well I hey I can make the bread but I want something going to they accidentally stumble across capitalism don't they yeah and then they just they immediately start trying to kill each other it's like wait all right look one night a week we should just get our anger out yeah and then we're just back to it again yeah let's think is it horse armor from oblivion yeah god damn remember that horse armor because that's the thing it would be it would be absurd but it would save everybody if we just said you get to charge once and it's a complete package and that's it like nothing else yeah yeah and they're like I have cool ideas for DLC it's like unfortunately you ruined it we trusted you we can't be trusted we can't dispel as much power on human beings me and mortals do not have the capacity to make games with DLC because they're always going to do this on top of all the transaction stuff I hate having to fucking sign in to an end oh yeah I don't like that every game yeah you have to do that every game is all white you gotta use your Microsoft account I mean I usually don't accept that shit but like I've been using Windows since the 95 edition and so I've always used my Microsoft account for like I use it now for like obviously Windows and then one drive and one note so I'm already using it a lot and so fine I'll sign in to Halo for it I guess but I fucking hate it well there's your uh you've just reminded me of something remember when Titanfall was like a multiplayer only online game and that upset everybody and now like many games online only right and you have to sign in and we don't care yeah I think that's a big one that you have to sign in that used to be like a thing we would vehemently complain about now it's just an accepted aspect of a lot of games right just keeps nudging forward through these these little bits and bobs all over the place until eventually you've been boiled yeah it's exact right exactly the frog like the the lobster in the tub and they're like hey buddy you might have been turned off the heat whoa it was too hot okay all right I'll dial it back down and you just start slowly turning it up and you're like I feel dead now oh I'm dead yeah start screaming a battlefront two was when they turned it up too high you're like ah I'm dying I'm just like okay buddy hey no no no buddy don't worry about it I don't know I'll turn it back down but you didn't turn it back quite as low as it was before it's still a little bit higher you just don't notice because you were so you'll get used to it you'll get used to it yeah and they use this soft loaded language like when you're when you before you've signed into Halo Infinite it says let's get you signed in yeah I fucking hate that it's because it's like the implication is like this is just the way it's done you want to play the game you just got to sign in so let's let's we'll help you do that let's just I want to sign into it I signed into it that's not have you got I don't think any of you guys have seen Silicon Valley have you no no um well there's a joke where uh there's a character called Gilfoyle who's like he's he's he's kind of ah not really a doomer but he's he's got like a cynical outlook and and there's a part where they have a smart fridge and uh so it's a fridge that has an AI system that logs food and one of the characters stands in food and then it's like ah there it is and it's like dude it's bad enough that it has to talk does it need fake vocal tics like ah and one of the characters says well it just sounds more human he's like humans are shit we're like dumbing down technology we're like solving problems that don't even exist and then and then if you say something like yeah you know my uh my server doesn't call me anything it grimly does its work and then sits motionless until it's time to work again yeah we we need to make the technology sound more human instead of just being matter of fact like just doing things I don't know who came up with a quote but it said like in terms of technology it used to be smart people on dumb terminals and now it's smart terminals being operated by dumb people like because of the spread of technology and the advancement and so it just has to mass appeal came in and yeah this is where we are whoosh yeah let's get you signed in it's not just sign in let's let's who's let's you're a computer right it's just soft cushy friendly language to get you on board with the whole process okay I'll just sign in then we made we made a few changes with a smiley face it's like yeah just give me a little well imagine you had right yeah imagine a tail of eight AI the AI is like you gotta sign in apparently it's bullshit but yeah yeah it's like the AI versions of those characters and uh and halo went for the the little AI companions you little yeah I'd prefer that just oh dude yeah others the only ones who seems like you'd actually exist I like sir I like sir I really like dude like it's fun the sock cat like sock cat you play for a hundred hours the little AI goes you've unlocked gray right holy shit and you're gonna shop to that you hear the AI snickering like like just yeah you already unlocked black and white and now he has to unlock gray every once in a while it's just like you're still playing okay yeah like the AI judges you it actually I want that I want the AI to criticize me so it's like wow signing in again there's like the 10th times today Jesus all right let's get you signed in he's like oh you did pretty well imagine how well you could have done if you could aim this is a better world advocating for I have for one welcome our robot overlords all right do it I'm not even meaning I'm serious just get them in here maybe they can make a better halo yeah maybe that well maybe they could yeah and they like but let's just say like it takes a long time to unlock shit you really think that's a good idea wow you got a you got a a challenge swap wow again wow think of the opportunity yeah I haven't seen Silicon Valley yet but I've always been meaning to watch it because I figure it is all about that stuff where like I hate like that whole world of app development or I imagine it sucks Silicon Valley it's mainly just making observations about basically just the tech industry the tech bubble and and and sort of all of the developments there it's it's a really cool show made by the going mad king of the hill Mike judge yeah uh yeah I know that yeah I big fan super funny lots of interesting and fun observations about technology and it's place in society social media apps are particularly that gregis with the shit like the the way they design Twitter and Facebook like literally like yeah machines where you're pulling down on the screen constantly to refresh the feed it's just like it's just like a casino well yeah it's not waiting for that everything's round and soft yeah yeah so everything is fucking designed to exploit you like and now it's games now and it like I'm just trying to play a game and it wants me to sign in and it's doing all the shop crap and I'm like can you please just stop trying to stick your fucking dick in my ass and let me play the thing that I bought like I bought burnout paradise and I want to be a sign in and I'm like suck my fucking dick will you please doom doom eternal makes me fucking sign in thankfully it only makes me sign in the one time and then it auto-signed in but I fucking see that every time I see that automatic sign-in process at the beginning it's like I just want to play the offline campaign mode I shouldn't have to fucking do this bullshit it's funny you brought up because you're right like Twitter and stuff they are specifically designed probably with psychologists coming in to tell them how to maximize the amount of time that people spend on these services and of course where you know like that's that's part of the it's just more and more we are fine-tuning and I think this is the stuff where it's like guys you gotta understand humans like we're really we're really easy to to predict our behavior and like make us do things we are figuring more and more out about how to manipulate human beings to do exactly what we want them to do and that's just a part of yeah that's a part of the model now and we're gonna have AI that are gonna know you better than you know yourself get ready for that it's uh yeah it's coming the metaverse like that I I mean you know it's funny because we meme about it it's like that's probably where we're heading yeah online world where everybody's hooked into these ecosystems and yeah and we're all drooling as we OD on bliss yeah wow yeah that's right it's gonna I get really annoyed with these like ex like Facebook employees for example who like they quit the company and then they're like they're this they have this insider knowledge which is like oh the stuff they're doing over there I help them build it and you know it's really bad and they're exploiting people and I'm like am I supposed to look up to you as some kind of fucking hero like this is your fault you fucking idiot like thanks but and now you like come out and you're like oh it's really bad I'm trying to shed a light on this thing like maybe you shouldn't have done it in the first place contributed to this shit like oh my god so fucking salty about all of this it's a scary scary world and halo infinite has helped just remind me because I don't play these multiplayer games like this that often yeah because I was relatively out of the loop and so when I was just looking around the menus and stuff when I stumbled across the is do you have a wallet menu I was like yeah yeah yeah that's right it's like you gotta add fortunately halo infinite seems to not do the thing that a lot of other games do where the amount of credit you buy does not align up properly with uh with how much it will cost to buy skins oh yeah you know how they do that where they sell you you know a thousand dollar back but then it's eight hundred dollars for the lowest skin it's like cool now I've got leftover money and they also do the thing where it's like five dollars gets you five thousand points and you're like whoa that's pretty good and also the more you spend the more points you get you know it it goes up you know if you spend a hundred fifty dollars you'll get like fifty billion points you'll even you'll probably be able to afford all of it until you release even more stuff because you bought it and well know you'll pay this much so um uh I was reading it it it double pisses me off with the video game industry because it the video game industry used to be neglected before it was the biggest money making industry in the world um I was reading about like E3 a long time ago before it was E3 it was like a much broader tech exposition show more video games was a very small subsection back when they were like they had a us like a what do you call it a booth for the Sega Genesis when it first came out like before it was first released and it was outside out in the rain and they were talking about how like they were trying to like attract attention but like there was all these like obstacles in the way of like the booth and like the people coming in and you know it was just such a humble kind of neglected industry and it was full of people who like they really cared about what they were making and they wanted to make a fun product even though they weren't getting all this success yet but but then it started taking off right and you have all these big you know tycoons and money makers going oh this is going somewhere there's a shitload of money to be made in all this and now they've completely taken over and ruined the whole fucking thing and now I'm super jaded and I hate gaming now and I constantly think back to the time and in the 90s like I'm I'm always reminded now that the best years have come and gone and it's never going to be like that again and it's it's makes me really fucking legit sad it ain't just gaming buddy it's a lot of things yeah it's a lot of different things right well the amalgamation of media ownership and things like that and it's all factors the the figuring out of basically the the best ways to maximize profits because it's become such finely tuned machine whereas it used to be that people would make cool things and hope that if they liked it enough that would be it but now it's a little bit clearer I mean look at marvel like that's that is them having cracked the code of how to basically pump out movies and TV shows that they know people watch star wars getting back on that track too now figuring out exactly what to do it's become a very it's it's it's become less so at least in those spaces about hey this is a really cool idea I haven't hopefully people like and want to spend money on now it's much more clear what you need to do yes and what you need to do is kind of lame yeah just mass produce this tv shows us the cool new thing that everyone's doing right that's why yeah exactly and I find it amusing that you have that little thing where it's like hey look where the boys power in disney plus day the boys on amazon prime that happened yeah they did they're the boys disney plus the boys get away without all the fucking time when people are like oh it's so funny when it makes fun of world culture it's like it literally did the thing it was making fun of with the girl thing like I don't understand boys get away with it all the time I don't know yeah it's just like it's got it's using you know how like I shouldn't say this but like you know like pours an aesthetic for a lot of political people like what they're trying to get leverage it's like in that game edgy is an aesthetic they are using to do whatever they actually want to do right it's like look at us we swear we have loads of blood and guts we have like this and but there's certain things they will not do because it's all hollow in reality we're not going to have our racist Nazi say the n-word because we're not really we're not actually edgy we're not actually edgy we're just a veneer of edge and yeah obviously point being TV shows and movies have the exact same problem in terms of motivation just destroying and just an attempt to find the perfect formula that ends up creating the worst art ever it creates the this like monster you know sludge sludge no you're right the big the marvel the big disney machine it's all the same fucking shit and I know I realized that this is a great segue into spider-man but just before we do that I wanted to touch on one last thing on halo because it made it was this made me think of like what it is that I've always liked about halo I was because all this stuff about infinite I was thinking like well because halo's halo infinite's fine it's it plays really well better than I thought it would but I was like it's not the same as it used to be and I'm like well why isn't it quite the same and it made me realized that a lot of my favorite memories of halo don't actually have much to do with the game itself it was just like the the friends I had at the time and the limited amount of technology because when I played halo one on xbox it was great great campaign and it had this really solid multiplayer but no xbox live integration yet and you could invite people over and do split screen and that was super fun but there was this knowledge that like oh if we got like three other xboxes if we knew like a bunch of other kids and we could get three xboxes together and hook them all up we could have 16 players on like blood gulch right and there was one day where we did actually do that we had a whole house full of people this is one of my favorite gaming memories of all time that I have and it makes me really sad to think about because I know it will never be this good again but we had a house full of people and everybody knew each other like everyone was on like a first name close like friend basis and we divided ourselves up into teams and we would switch the teams up and like there'd be an xbox in separate rooms like an xbox in each room and there'd be like cables all over the floor and we'd divide ourselves into teams of four obviously because it's four players per xbox and we'd order pizza and we'd play like a big capture the flag game and you'd hover your cursor over other players and you knew who every player was that you found in the game because like their username would appear over their avatar and it's like oh that's that guy I know like he plays like that that's like you wouldn't even have to like see the name tag sometimes you could just observe the way they play and it's like oh that's that guy like you know I'll kill him and he'll get really mad and then you know the game will end and then we'll kind of like converge into one room in the living room or the kitchen or something and mingle it was so much fun it's such a fucking glass yes and then between that and xbox live there was a there was actually a way to play online through programs like xbox connect and xlink chi which would basically trick your console into thinking it's playing on a wide area network instead of instead of a land and sometimes we got that working but it was super fucking laggy but even though it was laggy it was just like kind of amazing that we were playing halo on the internet and like when xbox live first came out there was this awkward period where halo was xbox's killer app and they put xbox live out but there was no halo on live yet not until halo 2 and it took a while for halo 2 to come out and take advantage of that and so then halo 2 came out and it came I got halo 2 and it had the headset and I was so fucking excited and even though it wasn't like the same it wasn't quite the same as the halo 1 experience because you know you were limited to like the land thing and all of a sudden like even the xbox the first xbox live experience and halo 2 was magical in its own way because like like I was touching on before everyone was much more communicative back then because like the xbox live package came with the headset it was plug and play you plug it into the controller it just works you don't have to fuck around with anything there's no bluetooth or you know enabling sound devices on windows or any bullshit like that that just gets in the way it just plug and play and it just works and you had all this like chatter and a lot of it was really mean and toxic but you didn't care because it was just like well we're playing online and we're all talking to each other and like this is so fucking crazy and I have the screen to myself that was a huge thing right it's like I'm playing multiplayer but I have the TV to myself and that that was mind blowing back then and it's never been quite the same since then Halo 3 came out and I'm like this is cool I'm really enjoying this but it didn't quite meet the heights of Halo 2 or the first Halo in their own unique ways but it was fine and then you know Bungie stopped developing them Heat 343 took over Halo 4 came out and the online was okay but I really started drifting away from it and losing interest and the whole online Xbox Live experience started to really deteriorate like I guess I guess that's what human beings do you know they they they're overexposed something and then they they take it for granted and it's like oh it's not that special anymore because yeah I get it we're it's just we're online and it's a bunch of avatars and and there I don't know there wasn't the sense of community I didn't I wasn't really feeling that anymore but maybe that that was just me getting older you know what I mean and not being as immersed as I used to be and then Halo 5 came out and was like oh I don't fucking care anymore and now here we are with Halo Infinite with the free to play fucking bullshit and I play online and it's fun but nobody's talking I had one person talk to me on Halo Infinite I was because I'm I'm recording footage for Master Chief Sucks at Halo Infinite I'm making another dumb fucking video and recording all this footage and I'm jotting down any time I finish a match I jot down some jokes where it's just like oh that happened in the game that was funny I can probably turn that into a joke with some dialogue and live action footage and so I get into this turret on a warthog and there's a guy driving and there's a an enemy player comes up to us with a gravity hammer I don't see him and the guy with the gravity hammer kills us and the driver got mad at me and he said why didn't you fucking shoot him you're on the fucking gun shoot the motherfucker that was the closest thing that was the moment that closest came to like you know that original feeling of playing like Halo 2 or 3 or something like that where I was just oh wow someone engaged with me it was really mean and but that kind of brought back war memories it was really weird and so I was like oh I can probably I can use this for like material for like Master Chief sucks at Halo but then I realized I didn't have a headset or my microphone plugged in so I'm like fuck I can't respond to him so I brought the team chat up and I typed sorry I was shooting a load onto your mom's ass and then but it bleeped out all the words like the phrase shooting a load was all censored out with um number signs and I'm like fuck that's weird because the words shoot and load are both like associated with gunplay so I wonder if it's reading the phrase shooting a load and then like they type that in manually in their like blacklist of like words that are not okay can't say shooting your load and then I realized like in this M rated game yeah I thought nowadays I'm like fuck is that even like cool anymore like am I gonna get reported in band for like writing that because I've made halo an unsafe place for some fucking you know triggered person out there on the same mat yeah and it's just like oh fuck maybe I shouldn't do that anymore and and it reminded me of like halo two where people were saying all this heinous shit but nobody cared and it wasn't it wasn't actually rooted in hatred it was just people fucking around because everyone knew like everyone was anonymous and just like trying to have a good time and yeah you know talking trash fucking such a big deal they just don't want to it's not worth it to just talk to a lot of people you're gonna get reported you're gonna get banned you're gonna get suspended because some little fucking asshole is like oh you you said you said I was bad at video games me I'm gonna report you to my that's only gonna get worse too yeah like this I'm just gonna only talk to my friends too yes so that that was my little halo story that I wanted to touch on before we moved on it was nice and depressing to every pray but do we're in we're in a different world now and I don't know how to handle it it makes me very sad I feel like Arbina chief is I struggle with the idea that it's like a relic at this point you know of a time gone by do I feel like we're relics yeah it's like maybe the show oh oh the line it's awesome walking feel like we're more ghosts and people yeah and I was I didn't mean to bum I was hoping to actually I was hoping that that would be interpreted as kind of like a positive nostalgic well yeah it's just fond memories of oh yeah absolutely well yeah and you yeah you're the generation above mine presumably because I know that all of my friends that are just as do me about this as I am would cite halo three is like a major high point they're like you know three was incredible to a lot of them and that will never get that back I remember what a warfare two was like a high point for uh halo three moment two cod four and gears of war two they were like the cycle of games we played gears of war two was my favorite out of the lot but it wasn't because it was the best or these just that's how it just played out and everyone had their preference but man that was a fun fucking time just saying the style just a hell of a drive I'm just thinking about this that we have reached the point where somebody would look at like somebody somebody is just came out like 2013 or something there was somebody in the world who looks at all the duty ghosts and there's like man those were the days and I can't fathom that they're like oh yeah those were the last of uh yeah that was the last loss yeah battlefield four came out in 2013 chat just said in 15 years kids will say fortnight they'll never get anything like this good again those people should like oh no I think you're right about the generational thing because like I I remember going around rental stores like renting Genesis cartridges oh yeah yeah that's beyond my time yeah I'll ever rent the couple of games that was yeah that was definitely I want to you know I I have those shops with my dad all the time but uh as a child sounds good shit well I my vision and I was just VHS as we had like mountains of VHS as now I'm looking at like fuck that was dinosaur times wasn't it yeah I remember that like all the rental stores I went to they're all close now I saw them all go down and I was like fuck and you look at your hands and they're all wrinkly and you're like I'm getting a wave of nostalgia now remembering we were sitting down on a Saturday morning flipping through ps2 disc just you know yeah finding the case that I wanted to play it's like oh yeah I can play or like GameCube it's like you know Mario Kart Double Dash whoa yeah talking about like the perfect like AI sensations from whatever in whatever thing happens in the future imagine they can take you back to stuff like that to make you reexperience simple ricks simple ricks simple ricks is literally that yeah on a Saturday morning playing playing Ratchet Clank 3 just like just like simple ricks and it's it's 9 p.m your friends just all logged on you all all not you've been on playing for a while and you're all just doing that multiplayer got you food and drinks comfy perfect temperature and you're having some great games all in a row simple ricks yeah or even just sitting in the back of the car playing Mario Kart Super Circuit of the Game Boy just like ah ah no they can't handle it all right where games were a complete package on a on a hard cartridge like a physical cartridge and there wasn't any fucking day one patches where it had to fix some and they fucking worked fucking error yes it just worked because they did quality assurance and they made sure it was functional before they fucking put I mean there was a lot of absolute ass cartridge games that were released for like any ass and and yeah shit like they weren't usually the fucking mainstream hundred billion dollar games or anything though like yeah but now it's just it's a fucking joke like I I got suckered into buying the GTA definitive edition that made me fucking angry because I was stoked toward it too I was just like oh man there it's gonna have GTA 3 Vice City San Andreas with the weapon wheel and like free aim and not like kind of archaic like going back to ps2 it's it's a little clunky going back to those original games the way they originally played but I was just like well man they're doing all this like the the switch version has like the gyro controls like this is gonna be fucking awesome it's like dude are you fucking serious yeah that's that's that's pretty unreal I'm like really worried about it and they have the gall to to remove the original versions off of steam and the rock star launcher and sue the the devs the people who are doing the the modders yeah yeah oh yeah the games they completely reverse engineered the source code for GTA 3 Vice City San Andreas and they they rebuilt it and made it play buttery smooth no frame rate cap with like free mouse aim you didn't get that with like the original the original games as they you know the the rock star releases and they weren't doing anything to improve them and all but all these modders were making it play beautifully and it they weren't even profiting off of it because you still needed to buy the original version to make those work because like like they had all the assets but like they rewrote all like the the engine from scratch but it still needed the assets from the the purchase of the original games and I heard that the devs are suing rock star back with their own suit because the it was non-profit and the the work that they did was transformative and therefore protected under us copyright something like that yes no good luck to them yes yeah I'm hoping to hear more about that I hope they I hope they get something I hope they can even the modders were fixing the definitive edition like they removed the original versions and all their mods all that modding work and then they released the dog shit definitive edition and then the modders came back like some abused girlfriend it's just you know it's like okay we'll fix this now too take us back please everything's such dog shit now the nintendo fucking online expansion expansion like more than double the price for essentially a bunch of ROMs which were worse than the actual last yeah that's the emulation that's not yeah the game even worse than the Wii U emulation which apparently was trashed because it was all muddy and the fog effects weren't rendered properly and the shaders and multi textures weren't rendered properly which is which is weird I don't know why that happened because I I remember that the Wii emulation was actually pretty solid and worked really well I remember playing a lot of Wii U emulation with an old friend of mine back in the day we got like old SNES and N64 games and it's like here pay five bucks and now you can play this whole game forever it's like oh man that is good I like that and now we have this yeah everything's so lazy and the original intent is lost because you have all these new people who don't know what the fuck they're doing yeah and I mean Nintendo should know better but even their fucking lazy as shit with their with that dog shit expansion and their poor emulators I mean Mupin in parallel do have have done a much better job the past few years emulating in 64 than you'd think Nintendo would fucking be able to perfect that shit but apparently not everything's so fucking lazy and you know a cash grab and I so ready to say is when you when you actually play something and everything is like yeah this is all good yeah if that happens usually not mainstream AAA yeah I was gonna say it's normally some indie or double A game maybe but man or it's like something if something is kind of buggy and rough but you could tell they're trying to make something that's kind of big and expansive for their size you're like okay all right I'll it's like how you get okay I see what you're doing oh this is kind of jank man I wonder what's this going it's like oh this is made by three people in a fucking living room or whatever it's like oh yeah maybe they eat some more time yeah it's funny seven days to die doesn't look very good as it is sort of like graphics and stuff they're getting they're getting it to look a lot better than it used to it doesn't look so bad now but it was always very mechanically rich there was always stuff to do and everything was interactable and there's tons of items and stuff and things to craft to whatnot so like that's fine that it looks like crap honestly because you're always doing stuff there's always stuff to kind of do it's just full of things that I can interact with it's not just pretty and I look at it and that's that mm-hmm you're people being like oh everything's going down and flavors like well but this is always been our perspective of the gaming industry we just don't often as much talk about it compared to movie industry there's so many examples of mainstream fucking disasters for gaming as well as movies um but I mean I don't know yeah I feel like gaming's in a better place than movies are there's still lots of really great yeah yeah I think I think that I think that all of the games are still really high compared to a lot of other like it's not often that you get like really shit games um that come out you know like uh usually usually what you get is like media wow I like usually the bar for as low as it gets as mediocre cause because we we all sort of generally agree on games being good like in terms of what it means to be a good game um usually mechanically sound it works well because funnily enough right I was I was thinking to myself just now I was like well gaming is typically like you get what you pay for much more than I think you do with movies with movies can like deliver you utter crap but movies cost you one thing you get the thing and then it's done most of the time we can talk about streaming services but I mean microtransactions is just not an issue for movies they'll probably try and find a way to do it but like is that not maybe something that brings the points down for gaming in terms of frustration and concern just how much money yeah yeah and how much the experience can be compromised by monetary whereas you know with a film it's like well it's gonna be you know between one half hours like three hours long it'll as much as you have to play after the game and it won't break midway through the current issue of course is subscribed to to you know Netflix Hulu Amazon yeah and Paramount whatever like all of the things that's the new issue we're facing for that it's a different one that's a video games yeah but why are we talking about how a lot of Spiderman's coming out yeah Spiderman is coming out is everyone ready to go on to that topic yeah I'm sorry I ruined the segue if I ramble too much the thing is the movie industry that gave you just so many similar problems it's very easy to jump right back over again yeah it's true I'm going to grab some coffee guys so I'll be back in a minute forms oh my gosh so is rags the only person here hasn't seen the trailer for Spundoman the new one I think so oh boy exciting in that case what we'll do Spadamy we get a live real actual do you know what I just typed in do you know what I just fucking typed in without even thinking about it what Spiderman no more hope holy shit brain they are working on a fourth movie that's probably the title Jesus Christ that was a subconscious yell for help I guess but anyway no more hope oh man it's like really we're already at that point it's like yeah well I gotta resize our screen so well waiting for free anyway so it'll work out but um yeah yeah what we'll do is we will we will watch it quote unquote but I'll put it on mute and cover for copyright so that rags can appreciate and then we will talk about it no idea how long this section would last by the way I I didn't I thought I was a little bit worried we wouldn't be able to get an hour to two hours out of Halo but um oh it happens all the time I hope we'll be able to talk about it long enough and then it goes horrifically over that's not Spiderman on screen he's uh he's a spider bro that's what this one is spider bro are we doing a watch together thing or is this just for rags uh yeah give me a second normally in kills just sizing it properly oh okay no problem but here you have it I don't even know if the FPS is gonna work for the movie but the fact is it doesn't really matter because I'm sorry chat I'm not allowed to show you much of it because of copytisms all right there's your link thank you there's me grabbing this like I said we could just play this now because Fringy has seen the trailer so this is mainly for rags to just see it yep all right so let me boot it up it's just the trailer for the trailer at the beginning yeah some of the great fucking thing that happens hey trailers for trailers I know right okay already great the cover's up it's just gonna play you at home meaning everyone in this cast except me will have volume on chat you won't but if you go and find this trailer three minutes on youtube and play at the same time we do you'll be able to experience that's a long trailer yeah I guess I think it's got bits at the end in the beginning that you know add to it I guess I don't know I don't even know what normal trailer sizes are anymore um all right I'm just gonna start it up here you go enjoy yeah definitely still got FPS issues so I have to fix that well yeah trailer for trailer dangerous oh no it's the gringriblin I don't think there's just Dave oh another spooker man it's octopuff okay I feel like he would just say fucking do it but that's all right hmm is it weird for him to say fate I'm not sure oh no reach out your web and have it be a hand and that's it all stuff happening looks like it's gonna be a jam packed movie all kinds of things what's going on it's 17 hours long a lot of things I feel like people are gonna want us to address immediately the thing that happened with the brazil version of this trailer wait what happened with that one so I'm not aware at all we can get that shot back where were we going around here somewhere right where spundo is gonna here we go perfect do you see this little bit here this little bit yeah seems like seems like lizard is not heading toward tom harland and it's like hmm oh but that's not enough right could just be lizards confused maybe he's just looking for something else the brazilian version is slightly longer and it shows him getting punched by the invisible man why the yeah I think I know what you're oh I didn't know that had anything to do with with the brazil I saw that clip though yeah the clip lost a little too long his face that's like yeah he's getting punched by another spuderman yeah so we're getting obviously it's the worst kept secret ever but I mean they just want to probably take advantage of those out there who really don't know which would be nice for them I suppose right they don't even care like that it's the worst kept secret because it's like as long as the discussion is maintained and it keeps trending on twitter and people are going to go see the movie to find out for sure whether they're in there just to have it confirmed they don't care if people are speculating that oh you know they're definitely in it it's like I don't know that that would be oh you guys I don't know what could I know they're not what are you talking about they're not in it that's crazy we would have told you if they were in it um yeah look I said they're not in it isn't that good enough for you wait what Lizard gets punched by the air that's your eyes playing tricks on you so yeah I'm very curious what the aftermath afar from home is going to be in this in terms of the damage his reputation has got going for him with the whole having killed one of the favorite superheroes ever quote on quote I'm guessing that will be the very quickly done first 10 minutes or something because this film's got lots to do we still have the same concerns is it really gonna be that they're both idiots and that's why everything happens not looking forward to that that's what it sounds like that we need to know that's my biggest gripe is like would Stephen Strange like do this favor for him like it's it seems really I'm gonna rewrite the universe for you if that's what I think he would yeah no and even if even if more information even if he would do it if it's so if a single word is so confusing for him already just get get him out of the room dude on your own this is the thing assuming everything is as presented there's a billion arguments to make but until we see the movie we can't be sure of anything yet it could be a trailer lie yeah yeah it's true it's true and we know that there are a trailer lies because they have to retell it PGI'd out one of the Spider-Man so it could be bullshit that's crazy talk yeah very concerning then we've we just had a brain aneurysm when he was going to like get on that scaffolding and he went they've shown us loads of this particular part of the film I'm assuming this is really can't really show us loads that's blocked in the chat uh oh oh they're shooting loads at us you yeah presumably this is just early game and funnily enough I guess they capture dark off it's like okay and uh and then looks like he's helping out the good guide team yeah the prevailing theory for now is that nanotech from the stock suit will get into his tentacles and then the inhibited chip and all that bullshit it's gonna get undone and he'll be a good man yeah which is but honestly yeah just what fans want to see oh I didn't I'm fine I'm fine yeah I want to see a good guy oh oh there's a dot in there uh but yeah that would be nifty that'd be neat um um yeah this part to clarify some confusion there was some people saying like why do you show his face so I think we're supposed to assume here that he's running out of nanotech and so he puts on his the gap in his chest and it costs the the mask yes yeah obviously his head is the only thing that's not being attacked so yeah um but that obviously makes Otto realize he's not who he says he isn't presumably Otto gets beaten by like Dr. Strange or something in this scene I don't know um and Green Goblin is probably gonna turn out to be the the hardest the endgame boss maybe of this film we've seen so little of him that I think it's safe to us and that's the case yeah we're really gonna build that up we're gonna get a Green Goblin Peter Parker Toby McGuire showdown Maeve who knows who knows um then there's this scene pretty controversial right now uh make it fun of Otto Otto Octavius's name uh a lot of people very upset with this when Stephen Strange is right there it's I I just didn't I didn't feel anything when I when I heard this joke I was like oh I just thought I was like oh yeah of course I can't look we still do funny stuff it kind of makes sense with a modern approach but I am inclined to think that that's something that they should just kind of ignore like the the name the pun names thing yeah probably he's I don't know I if I was standing with him I wouldn't laugh along I'd be like Otto Octavius I guess it's a little bit like because of the alliteration I don't know I don't know I don't even mind this guy he looks like what's ox right eight limbs that's Octavius yeah like still on the nose I guess that yeah at that point I'd just be like are you is this was the did the name or the the gear come first because it's but um yeah I don't know like oh you're a valet and your name's Peter Parker ha ha ha but like I do see because I I think it's fair to call this cringe run funny whatever but there's some overreactions I've seen with they're like wow taking shots of spider-man's like classic villain and it's like okay calm down calm down it's okay okay calm down it's okay Jesus Christ yeah it'll be fine well they're just trying to they're joshin you know they're just joshin yeah we got us to split them a sputum in suit that's crossed over Dr. Strange's stuff yeah I don't really know what to make of it what I heard is this this is his typical uniform turned inside out so you see the circuitry on the outside because you can see some wires and he's got his cell phone duct tape to his chest here if you look closely oh yeah right and he might he might he might always have his phone duct tape to the inside of his uniform as to use as like a communication device and now that is flipped inside out we can finally see what's going on under there I think this is a really cool idea because when I saw the blacks suit I was like oh are they doing the symbiote in this as well but apparently it's just the innards of his typical suit I see does he get turned inside out is his skin on the inside yeah so this was the one that I was like lost at because I don't understand what the context for this scene is going to be and I'm sorry but Scooby-Doo this crap is not funny to me at all no no yeah it doesn't seem like strange just like okay yeah I'd be very curious what it is that he's having them do that he wouldn't want to take care of himself and I'd be curious why it is that he wouldn't just do another treat them I don't know well that's why I didn't say it's impossible and I don't know why he's not treating them with more just like we're dealing with the end of the world you'll do exactly as I say yeah exactly fucking do it I don't have to say please you need me to say please to save the world just go fucking do it god damn it woman no all grave situations need to have Paul Feig style modern-day banter that doesn't take anything seriously yeah we've got Electro and Sandman are making their way in I guess and Lizard everyone's favorite villain wow Lizard is great I'm so glad to get more Lizard is that what he's called Lizard pretty much yeah just Lizard is he called is he called scale scale steen or maybe fangy mix Steve and the Scaleman or isn't my Scaleman Scaleman doesn't kill himself the green and yeah so we get to what we'll probably kick off the beginning of act two where the solution to what we just did is to send them all back in which they will all be killed that's basically what Doc Strange says which is strange because I think only half of them have that confirmed and not not even they're not all dead because of Spider-Man or the Spider-Man kills you know it's just a strange thing to think about because Electro became a battery Lizard was fine and Sandman washed away into the wind I don't know if there was a thing I saw on Twitter that said that that that the rumor goes that there will have obviously been years since the films like Amazing Spider-Man 2 and that there is history there that will explain those characters like all of the ones that we didn't see die did eventually die or something like that yeah okay I think or that it will address it to some extent well either way it looks like that's going to be the conflict Spider-Man doesn't want to send them back because he doesn't want them to die and Doc Strange is like we gotta do which is good enough for me in terms of a conflict of their preferences I just don't I do like that yeah we've just got to be careful about what Pete is willing to do to prevent that like as either we're like yeah if the world falls apart that's fine it's like hmm yeah um yeah nice like the Spider-Man 2 I wonder about that they are the trend that they're fighting on I wonder about all of this I don't know how all of this is contextualized for sure oh that's probably worth mentioning that is a that is a comic accurate electro helmet thing which a lot of people looks like a super Saiyan well it looks silly as fuck that's what people like about it they're like yay they did a reference to the stupid costume it's like all right it's only brief so I'm totally fine with it as well like you could mistake it for having just been a series of electric going around a little of the place as opposed to a definitive mask he is trying to wear um he looks like shit I'm hoping it looks better yeah it looks a good shit yeah I think that's big concern is that this film they finish shooting it in like March or April and it's out like in December that is a short amount of time for post-production on what is like a very big film that is heavy CGI intensive like that's a long time not a long time not a lot of time and what is this coming out what what December it's coming out next month what December now yeah what what day coming out next December what what December 2022 the cold one big smart apparently there's statistically more hype for this than Avengers Infinity War Endgame which I didn't think they'd pull off but there is hype this previous hype incarnate this is just old pure hype so was that criticizing stupid costumes in a Marvel movie it's like Iron Man's costume is fucking badass you kidding me yeah Captain America's costume is good yeah all the one end events a lot of them are a lot of them look good yeah yeah Dick slash also I think he looks way better here in than in Tasm 2 in terms of design if the CGI is the problem Tasm 2 I hate that like having him as a guy weird blue monstrosity he's he downright looks creepy as fuck in that film I don't know what the hell they were thinking but this is like a guy wearing loads of gear that's related to electric like yeah I'm way more game for that don't you know I'm electro it's a bee he heard from you I don't think anyone would be aware of that sorry fucking they don't have a I think anyone would be aware of that look they don't have a high bar to clear for this hopefully they can make him more appealing than in Tasm 2 I was thinking pretty hard you can do it Sodi I believe in you yeah and this he's a good guy yeah yeah Doc Oc being hit by electro was like ah yeah it looks like he's in the city so I wonder what's happening here because it looks like they're fighting at the Statue of Liberty getting the Captain America shield put on it I mean now look at yeah and I was gonna say by the way if that box that Peter took was was strange attempting to put Doc Oc back to his world to get killed sort of thing and that's when Peter ran off it could be that that is the scene where Doc Oc is like like he just saved my life hmm yeah yeah might be and uh you know it could be that he sort of jumps into the last moment when Peter's about to get killed and saves him there's a dude the amount of like chill moments that could be in this because of nostalgia is insane like you know put your hearts in a little container okay when you go to see this movie because it's gonna be hard to keep it down the mind will be like these are simple keys they are juggling in front of you the horse is running around and he's like no no no no no no just just let me grab one of them I just want one of them I just wanna play with the keys give it to me especially if I use some of the like Danny Alfman motifs get like a score oh yeah from the old movies so we're going to kill Peter the dog on stop so it just goes pizza time I am hoping for pizza time somewhere in the movie in goblin to say it it's pizza time Peter pizza deliveries better man it's DiGiorno whoa he stole that guy's pizza and then god you're right get your rent when you fix this damn doors he smashes it over the lizards I'll give you pizza when you fix this damn door that would be a cameo everyone would love to see oh I think he pulled through the conventions he needs to be midway through his funny dance and fall to the ground music fades out he's like all the way but yeah um if you pay super close attention you can start a piece together a timeline from this to do with the statue of is statue of like liberty with the captain America shield or something right yeah I guess they're putting it on because I got all the scaffolding maybe they're changing right hmm yeah break it all that's annoying yeah I assume that this will be the end of act two what we're seeing here I do now too yeah I think that there's more after this and I think that it'll end with Dr. Strange panicking so you're saying oh god I can't stop them and then instead of strict villains coming in we'll get the spider man coming in to be fair to be fair remember with Tasm 2 maybe the movie literally ends right after he's about to you know electro stand man in lizard and that's just where it ends that is I can't believe they did like you fight right over now another controversial subject we got green goblin suit is now all CGI or at least it is in this part of the film some people are very unhappy about this I'm fine I'm fine with this I'm fine with it would have been nice if it was real yeah I think um um I wonder like I said I wonder if they tried it out with a real one it just didn't work or something I don't know because like if you if you remember spider man one that it's a it's a very it's very Sam Raimi that that film in terms of camp and I wonder you can see how shaded this green goblin is to try and keep him down instead of having a plastic shine and stuff yeah and I guess maybe it's about integrating it with uh all of the yeah the CGI stuff in the background too it's just I don't know yeah I don't suspect this is not his costume that he's because we see the the other shot that comes right after this that is uh that's him yeah this is his first suit he's gonna be wearing someone else later so don't worry too much I guess yeah there it is yeah he's looking different maybe that's Harry yeah it's maybe it's maybe I doubt it Harry um it's I it's not even a doubted at this point I think based on everything that I've heard there is like some that it's uh some crazy new like these got but it's still him yeah everyone's been talking about Willem Defoe's many suits in this and one that's comic accurate and stuff like that I I don't know what we're in for really but um yeah we get lots of shots of people he likes and everyone we're all speculating somebody's gonna die in this one who's it gonna be I mean the obvious choice is gonna be MJ but I don't think that's gonna be it um because I don't think they on me happy is a more likely I reckon Ned that's my that's where all my money's on yeah I'm worried about Ned I'm worried about him I reckon they're gonna kill Ned especially because of the way the scene goes it looks like she falls off and then he's falling off but we don't concern ourselves with it and Spider-Man makes the wrong choice and saves her well everyone's already called the payoff of Andrew Garfield Spider-Man will save her yeah well yeah because how could you not do that but we'll see I would I'd put money on on mayor to be honest I think it's possible too I think I think that's not one yeah um yeah that's pretty much it I'm trying to think of what else there is to say other than just yeah I I very much want to see this because I want to know all the secrets okay what's going on in this thing give me a secrets wizard I hope it's good but there's a lot of stuff to do right I hope so I hope it's good but there's a lot of stuff going on here yeah you gotta make sure you get Peter you gotta get him right try to try to land you know now the landing as best as possible when you make it a movie that has to pull characters from multiple film franchises together all in one go while setting up multiverse shit for the MCU we know grapes with it are relatively small I think it's it looks like quite a fun movie I think I really enjoy it looks like it's gonna be two and a half hours long that's my concern it's gonna be it's gonna be yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be yeah it was long oh I'm happy about two I'm happy about two one more time you need more time I hope it's gonna be good because that's probably the first movie I'm want to see back in the cinema because I want to talk about it as well see probably the only one I care about in the MCU anymore if that one is shit as well might as well as fucking do you not care about guardians I forgot that it still comes that's coming out that's a little while away though yeah it's probably 2023 right it is 2023 yeah so that's that the thing is we know that's the Spider-Man trailer yeah we're not too like thinking about trailers because it's just so limited information so we usually just like this is what it is this is what people said about it yeah that's about that you don't have the the mouth of Gabe pointing me no no no no no with trailers with us it's all it's all just a commercial for bullshit so we'll see when it's out I hope it's good but oh the I don't know I wouldn't put my money on it but I hope it is there's a lot of stuff going on in this trailer a lot of characters a lot of a lot of stuff it's packed full I doubt this will be a boring moony no way there's going to be too much happening it might be obnoxiously exciting but we'll we'll we'll find out do you imagine if they have because we saw J Jonah Jameson there what if they bring in the other J Jonah Jameson while he's in Spider-Man's suit that he stole in Spider-Man's suit on his desk shooting I would never do that oh but you won't plop him in there and then you know uh MCU J Jonah Jameson ha okay you know I look pretty good or maybe he thinks that wait in another universe home spider-man I'm Spider-Man yeah get me photos of Spider-Man good times but yeah well well that'll be the 18th thief have for that because it comes out wait a minute actually that I wonder if for I'll be able to see it by then it comes out if you want my 17th right so I gotta see it 17 if possible yeah book it as it's tied for yet so just just jump on okay I mean that's what I did with the rise of Skywalker I saw that shit the date came out so that we could do our e-fap or something like that we're all big fans of the sequels we just want to make sure we stay up to date you know yeah that was the last movie I've seen in theaters was the rise of Skywalker yay that about doesn't for the topics for today how about that oh my goodness oh my goodness we made it to the end one of them was a little longer than the other just a little bit but um yeah well hopefully that scratches at the itches our fans have for talking about halo at least for a little bit we will come back to it I imagine metal and free you both be streaming the campaign right I probably will I will probably think as a friend of mine wanted to play it cope with me the first time I might just get him along to stream it I thought you said it doesn't have co-op yet or is it I'm not saying who have to oh oh wait you're in six months wait is it a separate co-op or is it I don't know I couldn't use by this whole co-op thing co-op for the uh for the campaign yeah but is this this is going to be the same campaign yeah yeah yeah yeah why is it six months away then what's the fucking point it ain't there yet fuck no mel where were you for this conversation I'm like no just only now occurred to me I thought it would maybe be a different kind of game I've never really played Halo single player like as a campaign it was just I always played it with friends because you always played Halo with your friends and you know you that's what you did so yeah this will be really weird for me to play a Halo campaign by myself it it's like it won't feel right like it'll have something missing like other people I mean yeah the I imagine I'll just be because I'll probably stream it as well and just be like let's let's do this let's get some context I don't know for what we're going to be playing solo first on my own because I'm going to talk about it as well I'm not going to wait six months you're going to play it John yeah I'm really looking forward to it in that case there really will be a part two to this streaming on the month from now probably I don't know nice well on that wonderful note I guess we shall jump into the super charms yeah let's do it let's see what the people have to say we open with in your opinion which breed of puppy is the cutest in my opinion it's the English bulldog they're all there's a bunch there's a bunch that are really cute a lot of them are I don't know that I could pick I love all kinds of they're so cute all of them are puppies that can melt hot yeah a lot of them are really really cute kittens are also adorable yeah kittens are cute a lot of baby animals are just really cute yeah I don't know it's like it was the best we could do I really think everything from golden retrievers to doxins to sheeva enoos and pomeranians to terriers I'm sure baby t-rex is real cute as well French bulldogs yeah probably there's all kinds of yeah all right now chow see kyle free kyle be kyle high rags fringy and other hi oh hello hello which one other there's two other here I think that's what they meant other is just all of the others that's not how that works I don't know what can you do kill them do I send plushie picks to your twitter I try to grab them up from there I'll show a bunch more when we go on to the the wednesday catch-up but if I miss them I'm sorry I don't catch all of them but yeah twitter I can try and catch a few I'm still missing my mubchly one you jaundive as far as I know the little rooks is all alone on chelie I've already seen some some people with the mubchly ones apparently he's getting out there on his way Ridley scott with a big brain on superhero movies oh have you guys seen that quote I'm guessing maybe no oh yeah you said they were boring as shit he said like they don't really have stories and their visuals trying to make up for it and I was just sitting there like dude like everyone talks about her Prometheus and alien covenant are both like gorgeous films but man the stories but yeah that doesn't mean he's wrong you know it's just awkward that's all because I put out a tweet something like that not people will like yeah but they're still better than Marvel movies they're like but look yeah if we were to break down alien covenant which I remember thinking was worse than Prometheus I feel like we would struggle to know just how many Marvel movies are better or worse than it it's quite a movie if alien or aliens didn't exist I would watch alien covenant and think that was an okay monster movie you know like generic I don't even know what I would think such a dumb movie but like what is what is an alien what is the comparison of what he's done aliens are guys we got an alien tv show at some point oh my god cringy are you serious yeah I have bazaar on a multiplayer oh wow oh my god I don't know what to do what do I do run quit run I don't know I'm so confused Lord Longburn of Mewlington Abbey have you given any more thought to a kong fap of Peter Jackson's long kong when there's less going on maybe uh it'd be a movie fap for the ages p.s. hello wagsies scritches for the good boy oh hello thank you and uh yeah yeah one day kong's been on the loop for a while and when it happens and it's finally released you'll have to start asking for something else and I don't even know what to say at that point it'll be horrible but uh yeah it's hoping to be on the way depends what he's produced mm-hmm Mola don't waste your time with cookie clover there clicker it's miserable it gets really unfair when you get to the septillions and some achievements require cheating interesting um so I'm not like the typical I presume cookie clicker person I literally like look at it once per day for about a minute I'm just like oh there's that yeah um yeah the I know that there's an achievement where you literally have to open a cheat console and just type in a cheat and then you get an achievement for that your achievements are listed in this big set and there's one if you click it it gives it to you and it's like yeah all you have to do is ask what's the achievement there's all clever things in here but I'm not I wouldn't that's the one you also have to click one specific question mark that gives you an achievement as well and yeah I wouldn't recommend idle games to anybody you know what you're in for if you find it amusing go ahead that's that's that's all I gotta say on that one Stanley parable had some good achievements I love Stanley parable I was really impressed with that game man that was a fun one I never played it myself wait that's not true I played it a little bit yeah idiot but shut up fucking rude as veterans of the spoodle wars just what is it that you guys think spidey fans hate about mcu spidey so much also hi Rue Gillian Rue Gillian Rue Gillian hello I think it's iron man is what they hate yeah I mean this is perception of his agency I that doesn't help yeah it's a series of things primarily cited that he has no agency which is always super awkward as someone who's seen the movies because you're like but he does and then you're like yeah but not the kind of agency I want you're like oh I never know what to say because I always just I'm sitting here like he beat his own villain in an incredibly dangerous circumstance with his own tech and even spared his life too so or at least saved his life um so I don't know I don't know what to do with it bring you've got anything to add to that it feels like you would I don't know I I yeah I guess I don't know what I don't know what more they want because he makes decisions in the films he makes a lot of decisions in the films is it I don't I don't know what I don't know what they'd be citing I think that's all I don't I don't know what you'd be referencing to say that he isn't making decisions it's become a really common sentiment it's like I am so tired of him using stock tech and it's like I think okay I feel like that's all there is that he's using that tech it's so interesting because he built the web shooters originally and he designed the web fluid but that seems to be something that nobody even remembers and ramy spider-man didn't even get to have that as a thing oh he just they came out of his arms exactly and so you and he made a homemade suit that was actually viable as a homemade suit like it's as opposed to the ramy one which there's no way that he made no way he made that now even the tazm one is still too good to be a homemade one I think is it the lack of agency that most people hate about it that's what I seem to see I won't ever say that yeah yet constantly iron boy iron boy let's always say like a fucking and then if they I just I do wonder what's going to happen let's say we get our dream reality for you I'm not sure if we're actually feel this way too but three movies after this one that's coming in college here actually let's say the end of this one Dr. Strange wipes the world's memory of Peter but that includes the Avengers so he's got no more umbilical cord and he actually does have to defend for himself he gets those money issues he has lots of relationship issues he battles three iconic fucking spider-man villains in college so then we get the three movies after that which are all when he's like you know an adult and he's maybe ushering in a new hero or some kind and they're like finally has his agency I would wonder at that point like but I mean we saw how he got there right do we just not want to see that at all because uh I feel like this is our only chance to do that in the MCU at least right now because there's like no kid superheroes so I find he has enough agency where it counts I love that scene in home coming where he goes to the prom after the encounter with um vulture and he uh he decides to to abandon what's her name Liz and lives down the hall yeah because he knows what he has to do and like god that's a definitive spider-man moment like this that may be a movie for me dude him saying come on spider-man as he picks up a building I'm just like how does this not work for you spider-man fads I know it yeah it's great that was lifted straight out of one of the bit comic yeah the comic yeah is it one of the approved comic books it is that's one of the old ones isn't it I think so yeah wow they did the right one um so yeah I don't know the there's a lot of just uh they feel his wasted potential that they've gone the wrong direction and that um you know if if this movie is filled with the other spider-man helping him out I'm very curious what the sentiment will be because everyone everyone simultaneously loves ramy spider-man but also thinks Tom Holland's Spider-Man doesn't have enough agency so what will they do then we'll have to see um I feel like this film is going to be especially interesting for how me and Fringy have passionately looked at this spider-man because it really yeah I uh I remember seeing on a reddit thread where they were like yeah these movies just aren't that good it's like man like these movies I can give you far from home because far from home has got a lot of problems but like Homecoming is a great film and it's really disappointing that uh that a lot of the great stuff that it did just goes unappreciated because of this I don't know this perspective that's just held that the mcu spider-man stuff isn't that good when I think that it has like some of the more consistently good character writing of all the of all the characters you like in terms of characters I'm invested in he's there aren't many left spider-man's one can we appreciate the fucking glow up for vulture from the comics to that movie yeah vulture is dude vulture is the best villain in in uh the mcu I think yep he's either the best or in the running for the best or tied with the best with like zemo or thanos he is uh he's great it probably would be I can make more arguments for vulture I think than any of the others for complexity I'd imagine I think so there's a lot going on there and it's intrinsically tied to a lot of things going on in the world there's a good parallel with Peter um the fact that he's a scavenger cleaning up after the avengers is fucking brilliant I love that it's it's great it's excellent and the avengers created him home come and his theme is the inversion of the avengers theme yeah there's so many great touches of like yeah we've tightly constructed film we've talked over before but it's so fucking cool that he and Peter both were generated by the avengers as a form of like a product of their inspiration and the toxic waste that comes behind all the things they don't take responsibility for and those two are what fight yeah yeah it's really it's tight it's a very tightly made film he's literally a vulture pretty much yeah it's really cool like home homecoming is underrated it is underrated yeah I see a lot of hatred for that film I think homecoming is over hated relative to like the other bad films in the MCU you can do a lot worse than that there are films that are over loved and over hated yeah more I mean the winter soldier for example I hope there's exactly what I have in mind I like how you do my head I was like careful that I'm like no I mean well that's secrets out like there's no fucking way they don't yeah just let it go a fat perspective on that film the winter soldier is shit well yeah there's I think chat will still be 50 50 on that for the foreseeable future but that's okay well it's only a matter of time it'll gradually we'll just gradually yeah the more people see the debate like nothing works in the winter soldier essentially Nat but that's kind of it yeah which is funny because it's the same for it's the same for Endgame Nat and that's it it's basically but then don't worry I know she had a lead but they're being good in these other movies but they took care of her yeah and I get her yeah I don't know the opposite of moment in the sun is it's like the negative version of it but moment in the sludge moment in the sludge to the sun like Icarus you had your she had a weekend in this swamp she did weekend in the swamp and then Shrek was like get out of my swamp all righty then um I asked if you guys would be reviewing this game you guys discussed it and now we're here thanks so much for answering all the super chats with as much generosity as you do and thanks for this discussion no fucking problem at all I was just gonna say I forgot what were the original super chat while I was like no no no it was Remy yeah so we were on topic for the whole one for that one we did it um that's nice but yeah don't worry Halo it's not over for Halo there will be a chapter two more good thoughts I'm sure of it it's gonna be an amazing campaign and we're all gonna love it I hope so thoughts on SK's homecoming video also high ragas hello I think yeah we had this one on was it the previous eFap one before it but yeah we've we thought it was bad yeah it wasn't very good it was pretty bad shame that all that effort was wasted before that's well I mean keep at it right he's uh yeah keep at it you'll get better as you go try try again learn what to focus on learn what's uh you know I think I saw him tweet out part of a script for an internals video so I'm guessing that's next now but uh I just because after what freanie has told me after what I was in Gary I've told me she's like yeah that sounds like the kind of movie that you very easily be able to make sort of definitive criticisms about that sound that movie sounds like a mess the best kind of man I don't even know if it is that could you see yourself that's kind of yeah I was like I can't see myself getting passionate enough to fucking make a video on that ever IGN gave arc pain a 10 out of 10 oh well we can more I gave it 11 out of 10 so I guess yeah I've heard good things but I mean 10 out of 10 yeah it's calm down people like it can't get back well maybe it is but I mean damn like 10 out of 10 that's that's a high score yeah we want to we we don't want to be passing that out willy nilly oh yeah let people feel guys let them feel no feel Halo was an 11 out of 10 Halo infinite at least a 12 out of 10 it's an infinite out of 10 it's a it's a 10 out of zero or something or it's undefined I know I don't know um it's good yeah I I guess I should watch that because we're carrying that out yeah oh boy yeah let me know if you do we shall don't worry oh I got a meme whoa I like memes I found a meme too oh no one sec that is an epic meme so what's interesting about this picture is that they didn't have to do it but the H is turned on its side like the knobs been turned yeah but if you look like an I in a C you're like oh yeah that's right and they didn't have to do that you could have an H on it and we wouldn't second guess it but it's like yeah I guess I guess it could if you turn it it does sort of look like an H and if he is in hot water the knob would be turned so that that is a possibility so I mean you have to account for the fact that you cannot falsify this because it could be that the little little piece inside the tap itself has come loose and can spin wherever it wants you know that's true you know there's no way that this could be considered inaccurate this is just a true image do you guys have the what what is it the the this I do not know the name of this mechanism but it's the knob or the the slider that you pull on a faucet that makes it alternate between the the faucet itself in the shower oh yeah I don't know that well I don't know yeah I I don't know what they're called I know how to operate one though so but but I I don't know what they're called you just kind of hope it has a mumbo name right a really specific name I don't know it could be like we could be having like a pocket square situation where it's just insanely maybe it's called a stopper it could be a stopper or a wall a wall alternator or an altar water I don't know a switch screw plug diverter someone said switch diverter oh we've got two diverters screw plug diverter diverter is a much more official name than stopper yeah because it doesn't stop so much I mean it stops but it stops so it can go somewhere else so let let's say water diverter shower diverton matron looks like they're divertomatic chrome shower diverter I think they're called the shower diverter yeah interesting I have no idea what led me down this path of shower diverter maybe it's because I looked at that picture and I and I saw the intricacy behind the H tilted on its side and I was like ah no shower diverter yeah that that didn't seem hard to follow in me that when you said like I have no idea I was like well we're just just the tap and it was like that makes a lot of sense you jump from one to two you know yeah it's gonna be I think I maybe I just forgot well I gotta remember otherwise we'll we'll never be able to complete one of these episodes we're already at five hours can you believe it five hours molar is actually a polyadiptes klekowski aka colossus penguin oh nice um happy kyle goes free day hi fringy bless me with thy goo no bless with the goo what does that look like I don't know he's asking for it though bless him do it do it do it I think my rags plush is broken it has no lipstick I am not a I'm not a cross dresser I do not know whatever it is that you mean yeah you use lip balm right on my face I do I I do like chapstick I I uh I get dry lips so I will use my my chapstick here in there I got my Burt's bees yeah good stuff mm-hmm oh god I can't play halo it's violent it might lead to me defending myself oh my oh dearie me ha ha in yourself my dude um this one just says boobs nice and nice nice high five nice rag thank you for sort of recommending battlefield one my first battlefield game it's a lot of fun are the battle packs worth a buy no no battle packs are just skins for weapons do not buy them they're they're really overpriced and you earn them through playing the game not super fast but you earn them wow he did not shovel these fast at all oh he's getting faster look at him oh no look at him I don't know where it's gone now ah you thought you were so sure that it was a bit oh god oh I guessed right though all right all right so disappointed you lucky son of a bitch mutually when will tfa part four be done love the series who knows but that series will be complete I saw I get the newest comments every once in a while come up on my phone because of just notifications and one of them was like you promise to finish this please don't let me down I was like oh my don't worry they shall arrive and when they do they shall be relevant for the time in which they release because they will talk of things things and stuff will be wonderful recently you were given some awareness of Kirby lore but it still pales in comparison to the greatness that is bionicle lore something that the channel duck brick has summarized in his nine hours and 20 minutes retelling no that's really great that people have that kind of passion for that sort of thing I remember when bionicles first came out and then I was I as a kid I knew I was super lost with just where are we now are we still in the same place what are these new things what is going on what happened to the people before I am just I do not know what's happening and I do not know so are you doing a series on just one movie the force awakens uh technically yeah is that what is that what tfa is okay yeah tfa series is three parts so far and it's going to be six in total when done nice there's lots of let's just say I don't just talk about tfa it's my fun series where I go through all my perspectives on writing while using tfa as a vehicle basically oh okay no you're just talking about tfa you're just talking about unironically how the youtuber who hated me like three years ago coming to a call with me and ringing and say why don't you just say tfa is bad what's the point of all this five second video just that's all you need to say it's bad I read yeah I read this I saw I watched this amazing video they said tfa is bad I mean I didn't know why and yeah I know that's all I needed because that's that's what movie discourse should be just stating your perspective without any more conversation at all because why would you talk about movies when you could just state your perspective and that's it it's bad okay thanks for watching don't forget to smash that subscribe button yeah see you next time wombo show rags also hi hi the quib gift site so we've actually seen that I'll try and show that along with the plushies for the catch up it's pretty cool yeah I saw the quib gift site and it was very impressive I really like the quib yeah we will explain oh okay we will explain all on those days it'll be very amusing yeah I told you to do a politics on that episode he said that uh we'll do a media I think he's going by now but um he was saying like he thought that was real when you said it quib gift are you talking about it is real it is like this website and everything um hey hello massives I want october month halloweenie all year also hi rags hello I don't want it all year part of it being a particularly controlled time is what makes it a lot more special I think everyone would feel the same way about anything that's you know special it's not really special if it's constant right mm-hmm yeah um I happen to love the time of the year and I love the event I look forward to the next spooktober until then all of the months are simply spooktober prep also christmas halloween releases piece by piece with micro transactions you were the chosen one it was said that you would destroy the modern triple a model not join them break balance to the industry not leave it in darkness also hi rags everything's terrible trash now hey it's free to play so it's okay yeah it's a free game you guys okay you're nitpicking why can't you just buy why can't you just pay money why venom two is better than anything from mcu phase four anyone here seen venom two no no not yet I have not either so I would like to it doesn't look too bad I don't have no idea what to expect from that movie well I think why best drinkers reviews I've seen they were both just like what a dumb movie it's shit just like oh well why mess brought up a point that is pretty much true which is if this wasn't venom who would be interested um yeah like if it wasn't venom specifically how many people would be going to watch this movie three maybe four I don't want to say too many like yeah it is a film that is carried by the brand that it's part of yeah this could be a it's more comedy oriented than I thought it would be yeah the first venom movie I mean I think the second was gonna be the same thing yeah same tone anyway um in one go eat slash fourth other hosts to eat slash destroy movie bobs mountain do chicken movie bobs challenge tray and three large buckets of nuggies all licked by Hassan what a strange we're destroying the licked we're destroying the licked nuggies that's that's I think that's I would never eat that or force anyone else to eat that mountain do chicken did I hear that right you did uh I might because I love you guys I might take the bullet on that one I'll have you guys have to eat his McDonald's tray which I feel like you could do between the two of you I will take I will take the mountain do chicken I guess and then we will destroy the licked nuggies because nobody wants to eat licked nuggies McDonald's is edible like it will it will sustain your life I just don't feel comfortable forcing you both to eat the marinated mountain do chicken hey I just need someone to eat the fries and some drink some coke and with golden hey I didn't give a time timestamp you guys can make two meals out of it you'll be fine oh the Bob McDonald's and it should yeah instantly pops up so let's so so as a reminder this is the movie Bob tray the fairly small meal for an average size pressing right yeah he said that's a fairly small amount of McDonald's for an average size person I'd say the main reason no the main reason fast food cooked so fast and last so short is that there isn't much density to it I wouldn't want to eat which isn't just no fast food actually has a tendency to last you just leave it out and it just lasts and it stays edible does he mean lasts and like you eat it really quickly versus slowly does it lasts I don't fucking know Kara maybe he because he had last quote so maybe he meant like from mouth to poo yeah fast food just shoots right through you're ready for round two I don't know I don't eat fast food I don't know but these I wouldn't want to eat I'm just going to I trust movie ball I'm sure he knows as fast food you know he's gonna be an expert yeah oh yeah um so yeah if we had to split this into oh would I be able to eat that I know not well that's what so like I said I'll take the bullet if if you four have to eat that I think you can pull it off right the four of us yeah because that was that on my own because that's right that's a meal for like a burger and like what pin nuggets and then I feel bad if if the four of you had to devour the Mountain Dew chicken you know well I feel because eating a if it's like a chicken breast one person can eat a chicken breast it's just it was the whole thing I think the whole I can't I think it was a whole jig I can't remember anymore I think it was a corner 10 well either way I feel like a Cornish and marinated in Mountain Dew it's such a like you'd make that up about him and then so it's like no that's real it's not supposed to be real uh also the battlefield one female announced uh i'd butter her apple any day of the week that's right because the objectives are called like apples and butter because it was before nato nato stuff I thought someone watched us horny I didn't think about that well it's both it's both they are two but it's you can be horny and do that yeah it's both no no I don't believe you um ah perfect timing I hope it's a great discussion today boys and toys I I hope you liked it yeah I hope it was a great discussion I think so it was wonderful it will be it's probably killed himself quite a lot oh no didn't even hear the whole discussion that's a shame halo five greater than halo four as an overall package halo four greater than halo five if we're only talking about the campaign I can't answer that so to make a statement on this it's up to fringy and jonah can you read that one again um halo five greater than halo four as an overall package halo four greater than halo five if we're only talking about the campaign that yeah um then again it's mainly just the multiplayer or like in halo five and I don't like warzone but then again halo four has pretty bad multiplayer had like the spot most thing and yeah I don't know I usually just default I think the multiplayer is better in five but the campaign is probably better in four I don't think I even beat the fifth one actually none of that I think about it because I was so bored I mean it's it's short um it's a short one I remember they were like oh it's like the longest one it's the longest halo campaign yet and I beat it in like four and a half hours maybe they meant length isn't like distance I maybe but you have vehicles so you can traverse that distance you have yet losing the elements too though how'd you lose well if you saw I'd moved out of the way but it still hit me nah look at the last one the decay was so far down the road up to you you shouldn't have I should have won that to happen it's not my fault the game got it wrong it's just the problem it's a problem with video games these days feel microtransactions and bad AI um please no transformers x fast crossover I've suffered enough as a transformers fan but it would be really funny though I heard about that I that sounds hilarious I would I feel like the world needs it Tom just like come on off to us let's go hot Autobots like you know roll out is he is yanking all these pasta furious characters away I respect you because you value family family the Autobots most cherished perdition family want anything in particular no just family family the existence of family that's that's good just having them around yeah I had a family until I died slowly over the course of each film um also got my Mola plushies sitting with rags now high fringy hey mine is coming soon in political news why would you even open a stupid chat freefap this way but okay in political news Biden kept shouting so much he had to he had to get a colonoscopy to fix this failing body this means he had to go under and as much as Harris was temporarily president for an excruciating hour have you guys heard the meme about how like all the laugh is what makes jokes about how like she's the reason that Kyle got off because she was president for an hour so I'm like stupid shit haha oh fuck um I actually had someone in my class say that lord of the rings was alright but not great the hobbit was better and the sequels are good because they tried something new at the sequel so what the hobbit no the star wars sequels I'm guessing um oh okay tried something new oh yeah they did just do it just the sake of doing something new is quality trying something new always works out hey square wheels I've never tried that before no such thing as a bad idea so they can't be that bad high rags hello um you can try new things that the depths of depravity for things that have not yet been attempted oh that well runs deep there are things that we don't try for good reason so shit yeah you're poopy um been a rough week just celebrated my birthday but unfortunately my grandma died right on the same day luckily she passed peacefully in his sleep before before tags could ruin her lol jk i'm not 100% clear with that uh that being said i've decided to give battlefield one a shot since 2042 has proven lackluster in its release also I personally just find BR's cringe in general keep it a good e fappin fringy say yes uh yes all right uh it was a very suspicious yes there was there was an exclamation point on it with feeling fringy see it like you believe it yeah sorry to hear that I couldn't tell from the message if you were saying lol jk after the grandma thing I was specifically about it but either way or maybe the whole jk was about being ruined or like yeah it's I don't know which oh he would have meant rags not tags sorry I thought he meant tags like some kind of like abbreviated illness like something called tags yeah you know like SARS I thought I thought that's what it meant certain anal rippage syndrome I don't think it was that one but uh but yes rags rags is very much doesn't ruin regularly grandma you know he stays away but uh hopefully you enjoy I mean battlefield one is from what I hear is just good shit I don't hear bad words said about it that often all um yeah I recommend Prometheans are human souls are shoved into robot bodies at least in essence they try to make a transhuman techno babble for it though whatever still a boring enemy to shoot I just yeah I didn't enjoy fighting the Prometheans I like the covenant and flood I like covenant way more so I just didn't like the Prometheans they just I don't know freaking look how great this little minigame is it's a little obstacle course look at that how neat it's like squid game and all this is just oh fuck I just want to press the fucking A but why don't you fight luigi he's on the hardest difficulty for me is while luigi whatever one of the players dies the coins go into the big plastic piggy if you run out of coins you die but the thing is I'm boo so how are they gonna kill me oh for fuck's sake I'm pressing A gonna make you alive make him alive you're gonna make you alive and then kill you to put him in a little machine and like he comes out human he's just screaming constantly no what is this horror I feel I wasn't paid for this he doesn't know how to walk and he just flumes over he can't balance he doesn't even know what breathing is so he almost chokes to death the instincts kick in he's flopping around just touching things and it's just so awful that everything that touches him he could feel as someone just pointed out to blue booze can fly why couldn't I fly in the fucking game okay calm down bullshit oh no fuck this game you guys didn't like fighting the cheap rock off knock off no doff knock off necrons in halo 4 yalla just haters with a little tongue out face I don't know what they are so it's up to you guys necrons are a race from they're like they're like zombie robots kind of from warhammer oh okay I say that explains why I was this thinking like white I don't know what yeah same team me up with luigi what is this unfairness while it isn't and fair in your favor because of how great while luigi is he unfortunately no he's like he's on he's on weak so that means he's an idiot oh no he's on weak Wario's on mid and then luigi's on hard because luigi is just I have to represent him as the source material demands which is a ruthless intelligent man um boop boop modern multiplayer is turning us all into dutch and arthur I just want to be free again also high rags hello better to be dutch and arthur than ben and arthur hello gang hope you've been enjoying my first ever super chat ever been a long time fan and i'm excited to follow along on this journey of objectivity love you mohler also high rags hello hello dee howdy and yeah thank you very much um thank god so many this is a weird minigame um please watch the first five minutes of video the last jedi is the worst movie of all time by pond story games the guy has an insane meltdown over mohler someone mentioned this to me he apparently wants to debate over it i was like that's cute crazy that's fucking nuts i'm right i'm just gonna carry on playing my children's games it's all here do you do debates uh everyone's still wild but it's not the kind of thing where as long as someone asks we do it it's like no no right you have standard on this show you didn't i say that even though if we're gonna debate like our least rated most time most complained about episodes um got my rags and mohler plus she's friday have them set up in my office playing chess against each other sorry i don't have social media to post pics but it is an adorable scene hello fringy metal john or whoever is there so dude yeah man that sounds awesome uh if yeah if you can't get a picture no problem i appreciate the image in my head already um is fringy's goo as useful as prussian blue i don't know what that is yeah i need to take a look and see what prussian blue is because i don't know is it balls no i just got killed that's why is that balls there's nothing to do with prussian blue no no prussian blue is a micro crystalline blue powder it is insoluble but the crystallites tend to form a colloid such colloids can pass through fine filters all right i need to um it's used to treat radioactive cesium or thallium or non-radioactive thallium poisoning of course so it works by combining with thallium and cesium in the intestines the combination is then removed from the body through the stool does that sound at all like your goo fringy nah would you say a goo is more or less useful than that i think my goo is pretty useful so you didn't you just you just twin perfected me did i yeah i just said it's pretty useful i said is it more or less useful you said it's pretty useful no i'll let you figure out what happened there's enough right oh prussian blue is the first purely synthetic pigment ooh that's that's really cool there you go yeah the other ones are not synthetic they are naturally occurring or processed from nature in some way another banger aside from being the pigment that gave blueprints their name it's also an antidote to metal poisoning oh and that's better than that you don't want that yeah there you go interesting stuff fringy's goo will have to prove itself to be valued above such things maybe one day yeah one day i think the challenge base progression is going to stay uh uh yes yeah yeah they knew exactly that ever they knew that people would fucking despise it when they made it they had to have known that people wouldn't have liked it but yeah they might update it they might change some stuff but i think it's gonna i think the core is gonna stay the same i don't think they're gonna fundamentally change it maybe they'll get them maybe they'll i mean the challenge is having them there isn't bad it's that it's the only way to progress that's the main issue will have you like yeah a lot of the matches you just don't get anything so yeah hopefully what they do is they just add xp values to points they just yeah all the points just have those be converted into xp to some exchange rate and boom done bobs your uncle whatever keeps people engaged with the monetization model for the longest period of time he says with the saddest face that was sadder than fringy's yes mm-hmm we can hear faces very easily we're face hearing technology also comms don't work and i can't friend request people post game also high rags hello yeah sounds great right all that sounds great something i love about infinite armor is that it looks like a natural progression from the og trilogy four and five armors were so over designed and impractical looking that it was hard to connect them to the halo universe yeah they'll agree they're big and both in and super over designed i think these ones look more in line with the old game yeah the armor looks good there's a lot of good armor looks very good you're not going to be able to unlock them or use them but not the ones in here you get appreciate them on the menu you can um fringy why is it whenever you talk i get depressed all right yeah sorry to me too why are you making the fans upset bring why stop it get some help yeah mcdonald's wants me to be all i can be well is that like i mean you're gonna be all you can be if you eat a bunch of mcdonald's that's that's true you're gonna be all you can be there's gonna be a lot more of you too offset it with some mountain dude chicken they go on to say that uh they're just gonna play mcc till they hear better things also high rags like i'm pretty sure that was earlier in the stream so it just they haven't even gotten to the doom abortion conversation whoops um hello why are we talking about halo spooderman's coming out holland spidey is one of the last vestiges of the mcu that i still have investment in same here yeah i'm invested uh they could fuck it all up though it would make me very sad they could i hope not please please please please uh they've explicitly noted that the update is just a band aid while they work on a permanent solution and holy dawn i just noticed the animated rags yes um hard for me to show it right now because of the this portion makes i can't click in discord as much but we pray that one day they will allow us to have animated things whether or not you clicked into discord that would be a really nice thing it would yeah i don't know uh the if the so wouldn't explicitly know the update is just a band aid is that referring to the 50 xp every match yeah all right let's say every day you get uh a thing for playing one match i laughed when i wrote that i was like oh thanks guys current thing every match fortunately but still 50 i would have started yeah i would have started at 100 start that lowest lowest would have been 100 yeah and that's just participation like it's 100 if you lose it's 500 if you win or something like that well yeah but if it was 500 if you win then you'd be going through it too quickly oh i don't want that i don't want that i mean does it really matter if you go through too quickly if it's i don't see that it should but they want you to because if you finish it they might be like uh oh you might not play anymore if there's no battle pass progression to work towards it needs to last long enough to keep you around so that you might buy skins in the store let's say 300 then you'd still have to win four times per battle pass we wouldn't want a nickel to roll out the fucking door well you could balance it right you could say maybe for a four v four win it's this much and for a big team it's this much because those games could take different amounts of times generally yeah maybe uh hello masses i've been enjoying efab for a while now and i'm wondering if you've considered edf five with uh due for efab gaming also high rags perhaps someday that would work pretty well yeah i'm not against it could easily do it on a super chat catcher it's just shooting big old enemies and insects and stuff uh wart warts 343 are a bunch of massives racist towards elites wart warts well yeah there are no playable elites that is pretty yeah that is stank thank you yeah big stank elites cool i want to yeah i'm in there they're pretty elite if you ask me they are pretty elite yeah yeah uh why couldn't they just do the same progression that reach did reach has a lot of issues but i feel like that worked well yeah but it's that's really it is a really good progression system but it's a hard one to monetize i would imagine see reach was a video game infinite is a reach the last video game why couldn't they just do the same oh wait sorry uh in fairness they pledged to fix a bunch of this stuff however they made it this way initially to deliberately to push the envelope i'm sure yeah why not i suppose because we're in that era um halo infinite money look if you want to push the envelope then why don't you get a job as a fucking male man exactly it's more like a better foracle envelope but oh god i'm so sorry greetings mollage wanted you to know if you're aware of the horror game poppy play time very interesting horror game if you ask me i don't know play time i don't know anything about that let me look that up i hope it's in steam how exciting no bowls poppy play time 91 positive is that good or bad on steam 91 it's very good okay yeah oh there's no way in their fucking base fuck me this looks like an interesting yeah it looks like this is a sort of um yeah it looks like like it's like it's a toy it's a horror puzzle adventure game it's the blurb is you must stay alive in this horror puzzle adventure try to survive the vengeful toys waiting for you in the abandoned toy factory use your grab pack to hack electrical circuits or nap anything from afar explore the mysterious facility and don't get caught that looks interesting uh fair enough yeah i've never heard of it but uh perhaps it shall be checked out my lads if a story assures the survival of our protagonist through reality bending convenience for the third of its length is the story salvage salvageable that's a third of its length that has like reality bending contrivances yeah it's gonna do some serious damage on text right but yeah we'd need more information i guess yeah also see this minigame in uh the mario party this is one that should be in squid game you got to push a big ball to the end three different obstacles rio game it's a game where you got toads and all that we're trying to compete to get out of indentured servitude to princess peach just like the idea of a big inflatable they got to push oh yeah but i'm thinking about the big story here where we have a toad fighting another toad and you know they're doing they're playing a game and he sabotages other toads because you've got to win or no not just toads you have coopers and stuff you have a cooper game it's just a bunch of coopers and and uh goons trying to fight to uh to get out of slavery um starring chris pratt or uh well no we need them speaking the cooper language so when they have their dramatic showdown it's like bloop bloop you know that's how well uh while there's very gerratic subtitles at the bottom i just want as everyone like the nutty professor yeah the enemies have a tank no infinite fun just change the color and progression system excited to try the campaign because of the weapons it'll be fun to mess around with those in campaign i think my biggest issue with these big companies is that they claim to be doing things right yet they feel like they'll hold back with the fans on a bunch of little things like progression to cheap out i think the problem is the progression probably not just a 343 decision like a microsoft decision but i guess that's a distinction without a difference because 343 is five microsoft i don't know i imagine that the decision doesn't come down like there are certain decision makers and parameters they have they probably have in conversations about it right now like how much we change it um or is it worth it to keep it mostly the same way it is mm-hmm oh my god i don't know what that boo is doing to me first time i see a scorpion tank on the map the enemy immediately drives it down the hole in the middle ah actually infinite does have a free for all slayer it's just it's only available in custom games well there you go i am curious about i'm curious what the culture is going to be like around like custom games on halo infinite because like i'm so out of the loop now on on that sort of thing like i used to have a packed friends list on halo 2 and i would join customs and that was a lot of fun but from what i have heard the custom options are lacking in infinite mm like i miss the days of ninja not yeah we uh we've kind of i forgot to touch on it a bit more but the fact that they took out player collision is a big deal like that used to be that yeah that's right with uh custom games like playing zombies on foundation and uh halo two um in ranks you can there is friendly fire okay i'm pretty sure collision is still off except for like vehicles um right yeah yesterday when we were playing um we were playing battlefield five and we were on an objective and their grenades can have really long timers if you get rid of them really quick so we were on an objective and we're kind of in a corner in this anti-tank like grenade bundle landed like right next to us and it had a long timer and of course you we didn't know that we didn't we didn't know that's the there's sort of a there's a little bit of randomness to some of the timings on some of the things and so we we were scrambling trying to get away from this grenade in this corner and we were kind of bumping into each other because we were colliding with one another and we barely got away before it exploded but there was just this hectic go go go go right oh my god just as well this grenade was sitting there on the ground menacingly but yeah the collision can be it can it can be frustrating sometimes but there's other times where it just sort of like yeah he's there you can't be there too with the zombies on foundation game like you would everyone would be packed in one little room and there there'd be this like physical dynamic of like bumping up against all these other players in the same room and you'd be like jumping on each other's heads and uh it made it made a lot more fun because there was a dynamic physicality to it that's just gone right when you can just clip through everybody it's like they're not even there in a way the commando needs a buff imo either increase damage and decrease fire rate like the dmr or increase fire rate and decrease damage i i i'm not sure i'm not sure say that one more time the commando needs a buff imo either increase damage and decrease fire rates uh like the dmr or increase fire rate and decrease damage um yeah i'm not sure i can't for whatever i just can't get the commando to work For me, I don't know, in theory, I think on paper it's really, really good, but something about the way that the bloom works, I just can't quite get it to work that well. I think the commander works really well on mid range, that's where the most success with it. When you get to close quarters forget it, when they have an AR it's just GG, unless you get really lucky and they really shit or something. A bit farther away when you can zoom in and can shoot in peace without getting shot at, it's pretty neat, but like medium range is probably the best use case for it. Can you dual wield or is that gone? No. No dual wielding. Again. The weapons are balanced around the idea that you can only have one at a time. Can you even jack cars anymore? Yeah, you can shoot at that. You can even grapple onto vehicles to hide. That's cool. Oh yeah, I did see that in the trailer. I remember now. Yeah, you can, yeah. I actually get that as a challenge, you need to grapple onto a flying vehicle and jack it. That is cool. Has that been in previous Halo games or did that also get cut for reasons, also high rags? Hello. With part dual wielding? Yeah, dual wielding. The reason dual wielding hasn't been around since 3, I think 3 had it. Yeah, because Rage didn't have it and they did it 4 or 5, so it's been a long time. Do you guys miss the old style of gameplay with the health packs on the ground? I'm just not a fan of cod style health regen. There is an aspect of, I'm fine with health packs being a thing you have to find because it gives you an aspect of you have your recharging health, which is your shields and your permanent health, which is your health. So you can take some damage before you start to get your permanent stuff whittled into so you can't just constantly get shot willy nilly. There is an aspect of try to moderate the damage that you're constantly taking or maybe have it recharged slowly. If you work better in a campaign environment, there is a multiplayer aspect of you can't be because you'll be constantly fighting with people and going for objectives and things and you don't want to have people out of the fight for too long or have to be too cautious because they got in a scrap, but I'm fine with it in theory. With the sizes of maps, I've played a lot of Reach and in that game you did not have regenerating health. So you would know, oh, I've got some health, I've got low health, I need to make my way to some of the health packs on the map and find some of those. It added a small interesting layer to combat where you might get like a lucky kill, a relatively easy kill on somebody with a full shield with low health, but I'm not really, it's not a big deal to me. Not a big deal. Yeah, I'm not too bothered either way. Not a huge deal, but I have my preferences. Amazon's Wheel of Time show is awful. That's all I've heard. I've heard that too. Yeah. Super Chat number two, telling the EFAP crew to play DRG. I don't know, what's that? Dragon. Deep Rock Galactic. That would make an excellent EFAP gaming game. That game's great. I love Deep Rock Galactic. I played it on my stream, I think two weeks ago or something. I would, high recommendation from me to anyone in chat. Yeah, same. It's really great. Forget Bloom, who's hotter, Cortana or new Cortana? Um, if we're just going based on what they look like in this game, new Cortana for sure. Yeah, new Cortana, she's a, she's a QT pie. She is attractive. She is, she seems a little annoyingly quirky. I don't know. I think people like that. I don't know. I like quirky AI. I think she's already, hasn't she always been kind of quirky? Not as much as that person. Well, I think Cortana is more like, um, she, she is a bit saddonic. I think that's what I would say, but she's a, she's pretty matter of fact. Yeah, I would say she's got a bit of an attitude rather than a bit of an attitude, but she's definitely more of like a, I guess, I think I would, Cortana is like mature. Yeah. Probably the way they describe it, whereas this new one seems more like bubbly and innocent. Yeah. But I don't know. I like her. I like a wit as well. Yeah. That's right. Um, I like Cirque, though, the, I like Butler as well. They're cool. Uh, they're just fun. Some of those are cringe, like the one it's like, let's, let's try not to get killed. Okay. Oh my God. Not you. I'm not a child. I'm an adult. Yeah. This is a combat situation. Let us take this with some level of reverence, please. Yeah. Uh, I know this question is totally off topic, but do any of you still keep in touch with Wolf? I miss that man. Yeah. Here and there. He's doing there. Sounds. Uh, yeah. The Smurfs had their chance. Gargamel. Shouldn't, shouldn't fuck up the Smurfs, but Superman would. You know he would. Smurfs had their chance. Gargamel. Hello. We say that like that on purpose. Well, because of Cal-L, right? Oh, I, I got you. All right. All right. I like that Gargamel. Gargamel. Mm-hmm. Ah, that's nice. I like that. Very good. Very good. Bravo. Uh, hello. My eFab catch up continues. I am on eFab episode 57. Halo Infinite may be, may well be 343's first good game. Not sure if it's good. Not sure if it's a good Halo game yet. Need to play the campaign. Also, hello future me. Hope you're happy. Oh. Yeah. I'm having a good time. Future vision of you, and, um, do you think this is the, like, best prospect for 343's game so far, guys, or? Uh, tentatively. Yeah. I feel the same way. This will probably be the best one, yeah. Uh, Pats for rags. Oh, thank you. Also, check out Japanese Eternals trailer. I edited some old anime together with a major, a maybe racist Japanese voiceover, think you'll dig it. I see. Yo. Can't do it. I had no more. You could be in. Uh, but yeah, sure. Maybe, um, if you could remaster a map from previous Halo game, what would it be? Well, nah, that's been redone a lot. Um, well, so they also said if you have a time, a map from each game, uh, from the original trilogy slash reach, if you can. At that point, you're just going to say what your favorite map from each of those games is. Yeah, I guess so. Um, if I had to, I don't remember a lot of Halo one maps from multiplayer. I haven't played a lot of Halo one multiplayer, mostly all campaign. Halo two multiplayer was a long time ago. It could be cool to remake Sidewinder, maybe. Um, Blood Gold gets remade a lot, so I might not do that. Hmm. They already did some in, like, Yeah, and in Battle Forrest or Creek and stuff like that. So, I'm trying to think, were there any I liked from four? I don't know. I'm not. I don't care about four. Um, uh, from three. It might be cool to do Sandtrap as a big team battle map. It would be good to get another big team battle map. Um, that's what I'm saying. If we remade at Sandtrap, that could be cool. Like Halo three maps. Let me double check. So, Valhalla, Last Resort, Guardian, The Pit, uh, Construct, Isolation, Epitaph, and Sandtrap. Ooh, of those, I really like... Those are all quite good. Epitaph was kinda... I like Halo three's map. Um, yeah, if we're going for a big one, I think... I like Valhalla more than Sandtrap, but Valhalla would just blend in with the other maps that we already have. Yeah. If we could get a reskin for Valhalla, where it was like a desert, where it was snowy. High grounds. High grounds. High grounds. Yeah, that'd be cool. High grounds. Yeah, there's a bunch here. Uh, da, da, da, da, da. Yeah, because we got Assembly. That's a cool map. Wow. Longshore. Valhalla's just Blood Gulch, right? With, like, a forest skin on it. Kind of, yeah. I like the idea of high ground, actually. Assembly is a fast paced one. Longshore. You could remake, uh, could remake, um, uh, Zanzibar and if you wanted to. That was a good one. Cool. There's cold storage. There's a fun asymmetry to that one. Yeah, that's what I mean. I think Halo Infinite could use some more asymmetrical maps. Let me see if I can look here. Beach versus base rather than just, like, two bases. I guess the problem is that they don't have much in the way of assault, because they've only got the capture of the flag, one team, but you need more than that to give them the variety they need. You need bomb assault. Um, yeah. We need some more close quarters maps to, like, really close quarters maps. Like, you're talking to, like, Assembly? Uh, we're like, uh, Guardian or, um, or, uh... Guardian I wouldn't even have in Guardian again. Yeah, I'd be cool with that. Um, also maybe like a lockout. High ground? Well, yeah, I'd like high ground for sure. Um, but that's not really, that's not what I was thinking in close quarters. I'll be thinking, like, um... You had a good mix. It did. It did. That's true. The pit? Oh, bullshit. Mel doesn't like that choice. No, it's bullshit. Yeah, I feel like that's a good selection of maps. Alrighty. Uh, I've been playing the Prime trilogy with the mouse and keyboard hack, and it's reminding me of how much fun the game is, and it's better even with mouse and keyboard. Ooh. Yeah, I mean, uh, if we're talking Metroid Primes, it's a good shit. It'd be interesting to play that with mouse and keyboard. Yeah, that'd be fun. A joyous bow bunk to you all. Thanks. Oh, great. Thanks so much. Very kind. Um, Nintendo. Never thought I'd die fighting side-by-side with a toy IP. Lego. What about fighting side-by-side with a friend? Also, high racks. Um, didn't Nintendo start out as a card trading company? Yes, they did. I could easily be considered kids toys, so they used to this. It's okay. I'm gonna give Rags $5 for that Halo Infinite joke. Okay. Okay. Thanks so much. All right. Um, been saying hi to my plush just about every day now. I can say hi to the best boy in the flesh. Hi, Rags. Ah, hello. Beautiful. Uh, 10-plus-year game programmer. On industry talent discussion, don't underestimate apathy. It's shocking how many devs even leads hate the genre they work. Fuck. I get that from... That's horrible. Damn, that sucks. Mmm. Ah, that sucks. Man, imagine going into work every day and you're just like, I hate this. I hate first-person shooters. I hate the thing that we should be designing to give fun- But I spend my whole life, you know, yeah. Damn. Anyway, I was the individual who wasn't going to watch Angel because I thought Buffy was just okay. Well, I went on Tinder and found someone to watch it with and it's more enjoyable with someone else. I am now excited to get to Angel. Well, hey, congrats. Oh, that worked out well. And yeah, whether or not you enjoy it or you think it's terrible, I think Angel thoroughly benefit of watching it with somebody is this... Definitely. Lots of subjects come up and it's much more fun to discuss it than watch on your own. Do you think, would you guys say that there's stuff that you would like, shows you'd recommend watching on your own? Versus with someone? It depends on what if it means with someone who's seen it before or somebody who hasn't. Mmm. So would you say that if neither of you is... I don't want to say it's always better, but like I just, I don't know that there's a show where I would be like make sure you watch it on your own, you know? Yeah, I'm not sure what I would be thinking about either. Yeah. I tend to enjoy consuming media with with friendos and stuff more so than not. The father? No, I happily watched that with people. Yeah. It's not even one of those things. It's close. It's like no, no, I would almost insist just to be able to listen to what they thought of it immediately after the sort of thing. That's the funny thing. I don't know how many people see it because like when I, I think I've said this before but when I first met Jay, the idea of watching something like the father Jay was like no. And I was like, oh, like with someone. He's like why? And he's like I don't want to fucking, I want to watch it. I don't want to like talk over it. And I was like, oh. When I say like watch it with people, something like the father probably silent throughout the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another movies like that. And you might be like, well, then what's the point? It's like, well, it's to talk about it later and to experience it. You know that person was there the whole time. There's a lot to it. And now Jay loves watching stuff with people fully converted. My friend is trying to tell me that syndrome is the worst part. Okay, they put I won. I assume they mean Incredibles. And that his backstory needed to be more traumatic. Is he beyond saving? What? You don't think that having syndrome be turned down by his hero like that will change his perspective on heroes and Well, I guess we don't know his reasoning that this friend simply wants this backstory to be more traumatic. I think it's more than enough to send someone on the pathway of trying to design technology to essentially become a superhero but their motivation is always smart. He's got he's got the same problem that Tom Holland does in Homecoming. They want to they want it for the prestige. They don't actually care about. Well, I mean Tom Holland definitely sick is what saving people. He's just he's slipping into a syndrome's arc almost and he gets out of it, but syndrome is full evil. But I'd have to hear the argument for why I think it needs more trauma. I think it was it's all pretty solidly written Incredibles. One of the top notch Pixar outings. As for whether or not your friends beyond saving. It's okay. It's okay. We all have some some poopy takes. It's okay. Sorry. You look after him. Okay. Be fine. I just want more double a please. Not just triple a and indie you're out there. They're just you're filling especially if you're on PC. They're just everywhere. More than you could shake a stick at more than you could wiggle a mouse at more than you could space a bar at. Yeah. Well, he said we'll watch his poem with friends to critique it. Yes. Give it a star rating. Let other people know. Yeah. What is an aggregate score for if not that move. You still need to play you still need one pay hollow night to Oh, it's a it's a list. You need to one and it's supposed to be play hollow night to fall in love with nightmare King Grimm three boss race the game for race God home five dream nail corpses and high rags. Oh, hello. I have no idea what that means. I assume it's all to do with the game. Yeah, I don't know anything like that. I don't know anything like that. We'll wait. You better get started. Okay. Little delayed, remember for this halo, they spent years rebuilding the engine new slip space engine, which was a big demand after h5 failure. Sure. But I mean, ultimately, it's still a long time to be waiting and then Yeah, I don't know. You can't just go around and tell people what we made a new engine. I don't know. Nice. What does that do for me? Yeah, that's going to be people's immediate thought. It's like, okay, but still, like, you know, there were expectations. I get it. I'm just saying that I don't know that that means anything when you tell that to people. Well, the key to the slip space engine is the open world campaign. Right? I mean, it doesn't seemingly make the multiplayer novel in any way. I don't know. I'm guessing there's no load times in the campaign. Sorry, go ahead. I'm just going to move on to the next one. One could make an hour long essay on how incredible the rdr2 skybox and where the systems are. Yes, it is insane how great the skyboxes are in that game. Are they like more impressive than usual? They are. They are hyper detailed because you see time lapses where it shows the clouds forming and disappearing. It's like, dude, this looks real. This looks very, very real. Let me see if I can find a video. That's nice. They are really good. Yeah. I like a good skybox if it's like nice looking clouds, even if it's static. Like they would need to move around. There's just a nice high res image. That's cool. I think the main thing is that it looks really realistic when you see a lot of the weather formations. Like you can see the clouds forming in real time and then the storm kicks in and you can see the clouds moving around and forming in ways that will look really accurate. So how it should and of course just the way that the environment and the characters and stuff react to the weather. The attention to detail and red dead redemption to is insane. That's rockstar money. That's what rockstar money can do. Yeah. I'm starting to think this whole high rags is just another parasocial relationship and we need to cut off the dog supply before it gets out of control. No, never. I can stop anytime I want. How come the doggo gets all the shells in the scritches? What about the rest of us? What about the rest of you? No scritches for the plague doctor. I'm fine. I don't need scritches. I'm okay. I'll let rags have them. Could you feel it through your mask? Well, I mean, it's not all masks. I've got tentacles. Are you not like an entire just mask? No. All masks from just tip to tail? No. I don't have a tail. I don't have a tail for like from off to bottom. And you're okay to hit the roll? Like from stim to stern I know you're not a boat but you can use the whole thing. No nose to tail. Not tugger from south park. Alright tugger. You want to hear it? Hello tugger. You said you really want to hear it? No. Oh my god, it's Russell Crow. Oh my god, it's Russell Crow. Immigrant Gladiator Gay. So anyway. That one didn't devolve into nonsense. It easily could have. I was holding back from just going further down the rabbit hole. There's a battle pass in MCU when and it's like, yeah, maybe you subscribe to something. And if you're in the cinema, you can then go home and go to your service and you get the bonus scene or whatever. Maybe, yeah. And like you can get the MCU, the phase pass. It'll be a phase pass, right? Yeah, every phase would have a pass. See the movies. You'd have to buy the games. You would have to retweet official accounts. You would have to maybe unlock certain things in games. It would be very, very multimedia. It's all interconnected. And if you watch all the Iron Man films and then go to the bonus scenes and then you sign up to the Twitter, you can unlock the Mark 42 skin for Fortnite. In fact, they're just going to call it the BCU, the Battle Pass Cinematic Universe, where it's a universe in a universe where it's, you know, it's just all become so meta and expanded. Maybe, yeah. Can't wait. Hello, boys. Sorry about the last stream. I wanted to continue with the super chats on the last eFab but ran out of money to be continued. Huh? Very well, very well. Don't run out of money given to us. Just clear. Make sure you've got food and water and plenty of food for a small amount of person. What was it? A Philly small amount. Yeah, four burgers and 30, 50 nuggets or whatever. 50 chicken nuggets, please. Do I play video games? No. Will I understand anything that they're talking about? Again, no. Will I sit through this entire stream? Yes, also high rags. Oh, that's how you... Hello, that's how you unlock your Battle Pass. Yup, you're gonna get a bonus eFab scene. There's a whole eFab that you don't care about. You've gained a Battle Pass level. Sweet. The Fat Pass. I just go back to my Skyrim by once, mod the hell out of it, play forever. High rags. Hello. I mean, yeah, that's one solution. I just play loads of old games all the time. I play all kinds of stuff. Anyways, guys, before being cut off by a lack of money, I was gonna say, remember me saying on your birthday stream that I'd got James Gunn's Slyther on Blu-ray and was going to watch it for Spooky Month? Well, it is quite garbage. Easily the worst, his worst work, especially for character, which is something everyone puts on him on a high pedestal for. Oh. Did James Gunn do Slyther? Yeah. Fuck, I didn't know that. I'd be meaning to see it. I still haven't. Nathan Fillion's in it. I like Slyther. I thought that was decent. I have not seen it, so I do not know. That's when I'm Spooky Movies. But is it like a horror comedy, I think? Yeah, horror comedy, yep. The Culling Origins attempted a pay-to-play system a year ago, so they were viciously spanked by the internet. Yeah, I think it... There are things they're learning not to do. They're charging 20 bucks for whatever for a color. They can slip that in, and apparently it's okay. It's all being tested. Yeah. Greetings, Mola. Hi, rags. Hello. Hi. I'm Mattle, hey John, and hello, Fringy. Hey. What's up, dude? What are your favorite Halo weapon sound effects? I love the Needle Rifle and Halo 4 Carbine. Praise the dawn and keep fapping. Will do. Huh. I like the Halo 3 shotgun. Yeah? I like the sound when a spike grenade goes off, and you get the boom, and then you hear all the kishinkishinks of all the little spikes bouncing around. Yeah, that's good. I think I like the Needle a lot, the satisfaction of... And it just finishes off. I always like the sniper rifle shots. Sniper sounds cool. Oh, the sound of the sword turning on. Yeah, that's cool. There you go. Uncharted. Play the entire game as a skeleton with an in armor, with an RPG once, you'll get enough collectibles. What? I don't understand that. Red as literally. Uncharted, play the entire game as a skeleton with an in armor, with an RPG once you get enough collectibles. Makes sense to me. Skeleton? I don't understand. Play as a skeleton with a rocket launcher. Is that an unlockable thing in Uncharted to play as a skeleton? I guess. If so, I don't remember it. I know Uncharted 2 had a multiplayer mode. Maybe he's talking about that. Someone in chat said yes. That sounds awesome, by the way. Play as a skeleton. Damn, I can't remember that. Maybe, yeah. Alright. Crowdcat's buying game skins video is a must-see. Yes, it is. When he does the little part where it's talking about the story of Narcissus standing there by the like, wrapped up in himself and love with himself until he shrivels up and dies and then it immediately cuts to all these people screaming as they unlock knife skins and stuff and CSGO. Screaming. I feel like the clip that was just perfect is, I don't care what it looks like, it's a knife. The whole point of the system is that you're meant to like the aesthetic. We are so far gone from that that you don't even care whatever that means. Because knives are the ones that people want. Just the montage of all of them there together screaming as soon as they unlock. It's like dude, I don't think I've ever screamed at a video game for like 10 seconds uninterrupted ever. I can't think of any reason why. What's that video called again? Ah, damn. Just buying game skins. CSGO. I don't think that's what it's called exactly, I think that's just between quotes. I'm pretty sure the one because I think, I know what one is talking about it is called it is called, come on where are you CSGO hysteria and forgotten TF2 design that's the one. My peak joy from a video game was getting Ocarina of Time after reading about it in Nintendo Power Magazine and it in Town Hill. It's never that good again. Not to harp on about it but I know just last night we had such a good time playing Battlefield 5 it was actually quite amazing in terms of just joy per minute. But let's see I in terms of acquiring items like what's the happiest I've ever been to acquire an item in a game at least one that gave the most reaction because sometimes you get something and you just sigh because you fight, you're done you finally did it. You're just yeah you have those moments and it's yeah but because you know it's coming I think and then you just you just got to get over that hill that you've been climbing it doesn't happen suddenly as far as like rare drops and stuff go for single items I think the most excited I've ever been probably was in Guild Wars 2 it was on stream I got a Visage of the Connor which is a very very very valuable and very rare skin helmet skin for Char and it looks great and I was very very happy to get that it was something I really kind of wanted no real money thank goodness How bad would they have to fuck up for there to be a massive pushback against the current micro transaction models what made people push back on the Fallout 76 ones was it because of the fact the game was broken or was it additional I think it was I think it was kind of the combination of it all it was the fact that Fallout 76 was just broken it didn't work it was insanely buggy and it was also a lot of the skins were both two prongs were that it was overpriced and a lot of them were just they were just models from Fallout 4 that they just now make you pay for to have in 76 specifically and the bugs were so outrageous like there was one that just erased your entire inventory how did we get here but I think I mean there's decent pushback I mean a lot of people are very upset about Halo the progression system I don't know though none of that means a damn thing if people keep buying it I know with Apex Legends there was an Iron Crown event and it was the first one of its kind where they started introducing legitimately really good skins into the game and it was shockingly expensive and the reddit was full of people bitching and whining and complaining and I was right there with them and they keep they changed it a little bit but enough people bought them to where it keeps happening you know if I don't spend a dollar in that game yes sir yeah so I just imagine it has to be a matter of how far they'll push the price while also giving it something that's just mechanically pathetic yeah I don't think Halo will be enough with the way that it is to make anybody that mad or at least mad enough for a change well people are mad at this as a system like the progression but I think as long as they make it so that it doesn't take as long as people will be okay with it hell I'll be happier with it I think if the campaign mode was just Master Chief pulling his armor pants down and doing goatsy and shitting it in front of a camera face and then it just says game over pay to stop this pay to stop this hahahaha hahahaha uh efap deeprock when hate the alien trash thing does that mean anything to you guys the alien trash thing are you talking about the because there was an update where they've added like aliens of a kind alien trash yeah I don't know uh yeah there's there's alien artifacts and alien eggs are you talking about the because there are other rival company mining companies you have robots and stuff you have to fight and I'm fine with those popping up here and there someone's saying they're probably talking about alien fire team oh oh I thought we were talking about deeprock galactic I guess instead of that alien trash alien trash play deeprock galactic oh it's bizarre um oh okay I've yeah yeah deeprock galactic is amazing fire team is eh I think it was a little bit worse than air hahahaha yeah I need to tell because I had a little peek while you guys were playing and all I heard was this is boring it was really boring my PC is lagging hahahaha it's less eh and more uh the next time the next day I was streaming people were like I think you had a better deal with the man in the dawn game yeah that you got salim right no one else we didn't get that salim about cookie click em all have you ascended yet how do you feel about that mechanic I hate it but there's a guide online how to complete the game with the least ascensions I don't mind it's just um it makes the most sense for clicky games to have that in it right the idea being you gain more and more clicky stuff and then they're like hey if you reset back to zero for all the cookies you've collected will give you a bonus base and then that'll push you further next time like I'm fine with that it's all if you hate that I'm surprised you like the rest of the mechanics let's just put it that way that should escalates hard uh later on like I've played it a bunch as well a couple of weeks ago click your strategy guys this dude there are literally builds and like races and oh yeah hahaha this whole thing when I mentioned to jay that I had it open he was like okay you need to do this this this this make sure you unlock this at this time and then when you do this dude I was like uh uhhhh uh the problem with triple a companies cannot decide to just make less money they are publicly traded and so they have to show increased earnings year over year that's kind of just that's just yeah business in general is you gotta be you gotta grow you gotta grow at that point um you wonder when think of this shareholders I would just say we're surely heading for a pop at that point we're just heading for a pop at that point right well I mean but that's that's just how our economy works the idea of growth um and most part like downturn have growth over and over again it'll either lead to the company eventually just falling apart or a wider economic collapse of some kind um well I mean that's uh boom bus cycle is is uh that's just part of our economy um keep it up 343 you'll make it get up there again yeah I don't know that the gaming industry will crash again I I don't see that happening I doubt it um it's it's too spread out it's it's way too extensive with with how I just don't see has become and I think the more fundamental thing is I don't see people broadly losing interest in video games uh ever I don't see that happening well games are an ancient thing like video games sure relatively new but the idea of games goes way way back yeah of course um it's I mean the same way that I don't I don't know that there has ever been a significant downturn in just like film watching um and even though television ratings are going down overall television assumption I'm pretty sure is still growing um yeah and uh yeah I don't I don't see uh I can easily see you just getting continued growth in terms of video games or at least while some companies might see decreasing you know either it slows down or even goes the other way other companies have it keep going up um yeah can't wait until we're all plugged into Zuckerberg's metaverse that's I mean it's funny we laugh about it's like yeah we're heading that way oh yeah I have a where are we going I have an index I can't use their product sorry I'm not allowed non use sad what a loser well a little bit because I kind of want to check out the Resident Evil 4 VR but you know did you guys watch the Facebook metaverse presentation no haven't you heard bad things though it's fucking hilarious it's like over an hour long but it's like it's like a masterpiece of cringe it's so it's so out of touch and like Mark Zuckerberg's trying his hardest to look human I knew you were gonna say that it's still funny like hey yeah look get excited you can interact with people in the metaverse you know and you can hang out in this social space where it's like this I guess it's what to me though is like the fact that the real world sucks so much you want to go into this fake digital world imagine his public perception got so bad that it like a stock beats or whatever they're like Mark people are questioning whether you're human this has to stop you have to your PR needs to be better it's funny because it's like it's like VR PlayStation Home with Xbox 360 Avatar well seemingly can have whatever avatars you want is like the big thing you can you can have your little cartoon or a robot or you can just have hyper realistic like version of you in this digital world you got to pick one of their preset cringe ones you can't be like Shrek or fucking an anime cat girl I wouldn't the thing is if you want to make it if you want to make this work you need to get people the ability to create basically whatever they want you need to get them really good tools to do whatever they want I mean it's I think the thing is you look at this video it's like yeah so this is obviously I don't know like some pre this video is like the pre rendered thing of the concept but I mean this might not be possible for a little while but we'll get there soon enough yeah I mean like yeah ready player one the whole that it's like yeah I can say that I don't know if that's the way video games I think people still like controllers and stuff but these sorts of things VR I can see becoming more and more prevalent and imagine you're going to have ads in there as well I feel like the future armor thing of ads in your dreams will happen I think I can see that happening a little bit terrifying metaverse workspaces are like it's so fucking lame god I worked for a company that made me log on to that if he's so fucking embarrassed I quit sorry I think it's the problem is I see people fucking around the day you know like I don't really tell me here's a virtual space it's like I'm just going to be jumping out windows and stuff and breaking shit it's not real it's crazy shit walk even the baseball bat and just start smashing holes in the walls I don't know if you guys are still covering Halo because it's not live but it's worth mentioning the devs are going to do complete rework of progression doesn't excuse how it is now but the game will change thankfully yeah we have to say what the complete rework means I just don't believe devs anymore yeah fortunately that's true I gotta see it to believe it when it comes let's have a look at the promotional material for the remaster for the GTA trilogy shall we let's have a look at all the things they described trailers are lies promo material are lies the things that they just say casually they're lies it's all fucking lies until I can see it with my eyes and even then it's lies this just says pain so they're at that part of the stream yeah the pain part nice your video capture is running at 15 fps I'm pretty sure that's on my end I don't know what's going on but it was picking up watch together horrifically after looking to that I'm hoping that's not a permanent thing all of this started with TF2 but it actually works there they've got trading crafting and an art style that allows for wacky cosmetics well in the video from crow cat he shows devlog where they're talking about hey so the reason why it took us a really long time with TF2 was we wanted to make sure that with the art style it communicated very clearly who is who and what they do they have very distinct silhouettes and this was juxtaposed against the crazy hats and stuff that they have now so I do wonder if I would agree with that if I knew more about what TF2 looks like now there is a leaked snowman helmet for Halo Infinite of course for Christmas I can't wait to see how much it costs I can't wait to replace it 500 hours with snowman if it's not part of the battle pass you have to pay for it if it's not part of the battle pass you have to pay for that wow yeah I don't know if there's a way to earn premium currency I don't think there is I don't, yeah I don't think there is nah pain indeed my friend bought a fortnite skin it was Naruto how do I kill him without destroying our friendship how do you do this like a ninja there are ways my child there are ways there are many ways to quickly kill someone or to kill someone slowly without them knowing it to you we were talking about slowly boiling someone right yeah just like if you can if you can get him to awkwardly sit in a bath next to you um for hours um you try and tell them to do all this stuff and they're like I will for you because you're my friend but I don't know why you're doing this you're like just just trust me just put these handcuffs on they're attached to the bottom of the bathtub no don't worry about that yeah yeah yeah this will be easy if you guys are really close friends but I'm not sure where your relationship is at the moment or where it will go as a result of that wonderful places I think I prefer DLC nowadays I definitely prefer DLC I think everybody does yeah I knew exactly what I was getting this is what you get this is how much it is and we want you to buy it it's got all this stuff a lot of the battlefield DLCs were great some of the stuff like that the um got I still think the um what is it the with the Witcher 3 DLCs are like the top top top top tier that you can yeah those are good there was some good Mass Effect DLCs they had like story missions and stuff some extra weapons they weren't like back in the day you'd pay 20 bucks and you'd get a whole new like mini campaign and it would give you new weapons and stuff to access and there would be like there'd be cinematics and voice lines and choices and stuff and now it's like oh yo you want to have your armor white and 20 bucks alone I know some of you fools will buy it and that's all we need because it costs us 3 cents to make so it only it even if only one person bought it worth um this is it all started with horse armor it's like 10 years beginning it started with a lot of different things um yeah gotta look at a lot of things because like for example Dead Space 3 is often cited as like oh that was that was the boy it's like well that was the beginning yeah that was yeah it's to pinpoint it's not only which one did it first but also which one made it popular right those are the things um horse armor was one of the first controversial ones that I remember hearing about Dead Space that's a good example we're gonna fundamentally change the ammunition system so that we can monetize it so I just got because I clicked on a metaverse thing I got recommended a video that says top 3 metaverse stocks to buy now 100x and video has a million views so let me tell you a million people these options I don't know about that but all right I don't like how stocks have become like mainstream video games have well it's it's the interesting thing because I uh chat I made waller and I watch the uh margin call in the big short and one of the things I mentioned to him when we watched the big short was uh how the guys who was it was brown table I think with the fetchable name in the film they had a fund of like 80 million and because of that they were locked out of a lot of the more uh risky like ability different trading things that they weren't able to do because they were just not in that ecosystem but now like people can trade options as retail investors very easily very easily and they can blow up their accounts like in an afternoon with a couple of presses of um yeah people are losing hundreds of thousands of dollars just by chilling out on their phone trades with option yeah like I remember there was one of the reddit comments in one of those videos about it where it's like man it's a thing that you lost five hundred thousand dollars by just pressing the screen a couple of times um yeah like it is hyper easy for retail investors to make incredibly risky trades that you probably should have gotten educated at university or something you know before you started making doing these things but yeah now it's like a cool hip thing to do investing which I guess is a good thing because investing is good in terms of like long term wealth building but fuck man like the fact that it's you know there's a whole genre on youtube are like get these stocks for like massive growth do this now man be careful jesus people ruining their lives getting in these incredibly risky investments but yeah if you're getting told to buy a stock in a hundred thousand like a million people have watched a video about these specific stocks remember price of an asset things that you expect in the future in terms of speculation stuff like that a lot of that is baked into the price alright this is not financial advice by the way this is just this is just a true statement here on e-fap we only offer legal advice we stay away from that awful stock stuff but yeah we'll tell you all about your legal cases what to do buy low sell high buy low no buy high sell low alright that's at least try it out this strategy yeah because my legal advice for that strategy is that it is not illegal yeah it's funny there was a video that I saw where a dude was like so let me tell you my trading strategy so what I do is I buy low and then I wait until it stops going up and then I sell it and it's like oh thanks buddy you just invented buy low sell high oh I know him he's the guy who makes all the tool tips in the video games like did you do a press R to reload or space bar is jump I know that guy he's really helpful the best part was he had a very smug expression when he said that like yeah I just sell it it's like ok yeah cool thanks buddy you figured it all out I've had my star stolen off me 3 times and I have no one to blame but myself you are losing because while Luigi no Luigi and Warrior I'm the next one while Luigi Warrior it was funny Luigi would be winning if not for me having fed Wario 3 stars Luigi is probably like more what the fuck Oller did you set yourself to weak I did you should have set yourself to strong I will do setting it's time this is rock and stone rags nice rock and stone yep alright next one says what's the point in spider powers if you are immortal recommended another better verse stocks to buy now get in early dude that's one of those you kind of wish they were in a call for that what is the point of being immortal if you have no other superpowers you'd be like oh gee Jiminy Christmas I just can't think of anything you know why don't you just why haven't you just killed yourself don't say that what you're just gonna die anyway you know maybe she meant specifically the context of fighting crime or something oh like there will always be criminals so fuck it no just that if you're a crime fighter and you're any powers you're immortal but like in the sense that you'd live forever but you can't be killed right like you don't age but you can't be killed if you mean that one then that's kind of you wouldn't want to put yourself in those situations you'd want to live you know exactly any kind of but I don't think that was the context he just asked in general do you want to read that out if any other director made man of steel exactly the same way as it is today say James Gunnell Matt Reeves you're looking at a 95 plus rotten tomato score for the movie and how critics will be in line to defend why Clark couldn't save his father and him snapping to sod's neck fuck no dude if James Gunn made Matt of Steel I'd be like he's lost his mind I don't know what the fuck happened to him who is this person what have they done to him he's a pod person now there's some kind of a gas leak in the studio it's the only explanation we have to save him we have to we have to orchestrate like a kidnapping of James Gunn and restore him to his previous level there are five James Gunn amulets we have to collect to regain James Gunn it's gonna be a great adventure but no it's not about hating Zack Snyder we've given Zack Snyder thousands of chances he just he's had so many chances he's made like 15 movies and he had like Zack Snyder had his chances he's had so many chances Rex with so many IPs it makes me upset that he could be so consistently horrifically bad and just still get huge clumps of money to make shit films dare I say the most basic fucking test that I think any writer-director should be able to pass his army of the dead it's like team of mercenaries, zombies infested Vegas, basic action scenes of shooting them, some set pieces where some people sacrifice themselves to save others and you know a couple of small arcs of the characters a guy who doesn't like to talk to anybody makes a friend by the end the estranged father-daughter relationship that's connected by the end a guy who constantly jokes because of the horrors of his backstory that we gradually discover throughout the movie and he gets a new lease on life just the most basic shit he couldn't do it that was Antonio Banderas character in the Expendables 3 I think what was his character he is always joking around and stuff and being kind of like not necessarily flippant but people kind of like didn't pay him attention because he was always talking and always trying to make light of things but it's because he had a really bad military experience in the past and he was really happy that Sylvester Stallone was listening to him when he thought nobody else really was well see that's already more than army of the dead correct it is I would love to see a Paul W.S. Anderson army of the dead that shit would be it would be better holy shit the game is amazing do you guys not want to now be like i wonder what that peppy pig game is like 8.8 pretty good. It's it's the face you keep looking back at the face. God, I watched that BTS footage of Zack Snyder talking about those lenses he was using. I decided to go with these lenses with a really shallow depth of field so you can't see anything. What the fuck are you doing? What are you doing dude? That's the problem John. Nobody there asks what the fuck are you doing? Just one person there. Why? You can't see anything. Yeah. Please. Zachary, you're being retarded again. You've got to stop it. You used my phone or something but here's the thing as well that really fucking bugs me. The Snydoids like it's only about Watchmen and DC stuff. Like that's it. They don't defend his daughter dead or army the dead. They don't give a fuck. It's only in regards to the superhero stuff. They don't like adore him as a creator. They just wanted to make more of that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess the lens thing is appropriate for somebody who filmed a superhero movie in four by three. Oh, that was an autism decision. The fact that you'd even question it makes me wonder about your creativity. People took that so seriously and they still do. Now that's the decision that's driven purely by ego at that point. I was do you know what's funny? I was about to ask like, wait, was that filming black and white? It's like, no, black and white vision came out. We didn't see the black and white one for fuck's sake. Can you imagine? It was a super black way. I'm now bingeing a bunch of memes that are just like using the no way home trailer. Just like the other movies. God damn these are really funny. You guys can watch it in your own time. Hello is like, give me what? Can I even show this? I think I think I can get away with showing this, right? Oh yeah, I think so. I think I should be looking at this. What a retarded meme. Like I just said, subscribe smiley face. Give me rent is super versatile. It is a top meme. Anyway, where were we? Would you guys accept a higher base price like $80 if it meant free DLC and maps and expansions? What are better alternatives to the current system? So that is the kind of purchase that you can get me to make by establishing goodwill towards your company. So if like, let's say that like, like if a company consistently was making really like, I guess CD Project Red might have been a good example where you could have potentially well would have been if if like, you if they kept doing that over and over and over and then like, we got this plan, this plan, this plan, we got all this map. Yeah, I know what you mean. Like you just because you think about all the wasn't it three companies in one year, Naughty Dog, Frictional Games and the one you just said that I'm breaking up. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I don't know. I'm if I don't like that there is in an alternate universe that works, but it ain't this one. Man, I know C cyberpunk was ambitious, but I had a lot of faith in them after Witcher. That was a solid. Well, yeah, that's, that's why I was shocked. There's so many people because they had made so much great stuff before is the technical feat. That game is really well made. So for them to drop the ball that fucking hard is shocking. Let's get on that train and take our shower. Happy face. Oh my, I'm not even 100% sure why you would have said that, but okay. I guess this is following up the James Gun thing. So which frankly never has been impressed by him in regards to characters but was still willing to give Slither a shot. It was such an unpleasant of an experience that I am never touching that movie ever again. So I've returned it to the store. My decision helped by the fact that they didn't even give me the blu-ray. It was actually the DVD vision. So I ended using my money to buy ready or not, which is a much better horror film. I don't know what ready or not is. That sounds familiar. I heard of that. Prosecutor flagging the entire jury with semi automatic rifle finger firmly on the trigger. That's right, everyone. The real active shooter was in the courtroom all along. So yeah, it was it was thoroughly checked beforehand, but I don't know why you need to put your finger on the trigger. Like why you can simulate it without doing that pot. It's not necessary. He did sound effect in his mouth. Well, he's never played Call of Duty, so he wouldn't know. Call of Duty is for crazy people. Seriously, like the entire fucking world's side when he asked that question. Why did you do that? I recommend the Act Man's the decline of gaming video to further this point. There you go. All right. Act Man makes good stuff. Finally, saving up for a PC that would be great for gaming and video editing. I'd love any tips or suggestions for what I should look for like brands or special or specs. Sorry. Hello, Mola. Hi, rags and good day for me. Hey, I can recommend channels, but I'm not like really I'm not a tech guy and I haven't bought a PC in some time and haven't really been paying attention to a lot of stuff so I couldn't really give you that much in terms of yeah, I could find recommendation or what doesn't go to Linus Tech Tips. Grab it and never let it go. Gamer's Nexus is my recommendation. That too. Yeah. You're building a PC for content creation and like a CPU with multi-threading is good, but if you're if it's a gaming PC, then single core performance is what you want to focus on and a good GPU obviously. Well, I guess I mean I mean mine is both and so but I prioritized the editing obviously so that would that would be the thing you prioritize. So I wanted a good multi-threading processor. Makes sense to me. In Eternals, Druig survived being pushed under a volcano by Icarus Lylases only to be taken down by a stab by a pocket knife later. Fringy, you're the only person that can account for this. He doesn't get stabbed, but you're right. He doesn't like to the earth. He's pushed under a volcano by eye lasers. So like Icarus grabs and throws him at the ground and then like shoots lasers him into the ground, you know, kind of like how vision got flimped into the ground by a wander. I guess Druig's pretty damn strong. Yeah, but he's the mind control guy. So I don't know. I guess they're all really strong except not when they need to be die when they need to be die. Exactly. Um this is a very depressing eFap. No, no, no. No, no. No such thing. We are simply discussing the state of affairs which is totally normal and totally fun. All right guys. Yeah, everyone's backing me up. Gaming is dead. Oh, no. Toxic in-game chat. Chewie, we're home. Oh, the good old days. That's like the simulation the eye runs for you. Just people shouting at you. They're gonna fuck you, Bob. You're like, I am at peace. This eFap is hitting way too hard in the best of ways. I presume. Excellent. Uh anyways, recently watched your Jurassic World Evolution 2 stream and noticed someone was trying to steal my thunder as the dinosaur expert fun fact guy. This simply will not happen. Oh my competition for dinosaur experts. Um long man making me a sad man. Oh my. I'm so sorry. You maniacs, you blew it up. Damn you. I think yeah, this is probably the doom part of the stream. I'm thinking. Yeah, seems about right. Hey Dumbos. Uh I made my first review two hours on how every returning character was utterly destroyed titled Toy Story 4 failed its characters. Love your work. Hope Kyle sues Brandon. Uh Toy Story 4 did fuck up completely. I agree. It did a stellar job at being terrible. I didn't hate it but it was missing some key ingredients. You should have hated it. I hate that movie so much. It makes it makes buzz a complete moron who fucking betrays his friendship with Woody and it makes Woody for some reason value a fun little adventure instead of the child that he was like given to as a responsibility as well as all of the friends he's made for what is what like fucking 7000 years. I don't even know how long it's been. It's frustrating. Yeah, it should have ended it three. I'll say that. Fuck yes. I want to stab four. We we've got an e-fat movie. Check it out. You can see our live reactions to discovering all of this stuff. I will check that out. We were not happy. He's great. Uh what slash who do you guys think is worse? Only fans subscribers or MTX Wales? Hi Rex. Oh right. So microtransaction Wales versus only fans subscribers. Um at least I was waiting for who you were going to defend. I had no idea. I don't think I did but at least um which is worse. That is tough. That is tough. So let's say that you have an only fans subscriber who spends way too much money on someone or multiple people. Um then you have a microtransaction whale. Well, that's a good question. That's what I'm weighing up in my mind. Who's the person you judge harsher? I think I judge the I think I judge the only fan person harsher. I think I might too but I don't know. Are we talking about the creator or the people paying? No, the people who the people who are paying, not the creator. Right. I guess what do you get when you pay like on only fans? What do you get? I think hot picks. Yeah, like six and some oh so you are getting something. Yeah, but you could argue that they get what they're after with the microtransactions, right? Like skins and stuff. Well, so that that's the hence why I was asking because I wasn't sure if you got anything like with microtransactions you aren't getting what you pay for. Maybe it's maybe the only fans is better because the money at least goes to a single person who's using it instead of supporting a company that has hundreds of employees with families. You know, like 343 is a job creator. They bring in with the counter repost. Well, I was just more jobs. Education as well because remember you want to get people educated, right? If you have a company like 343 you got to go to university. That's good for the economy in terms of getting you know people educated and they can transition into different sectors of the economy that are useful just tech in general. But it will mean that they will keep making shitty games. Well, they might or they might do the degree to do that and then when they go to uni they're like oh you know what actually artificial intelligence that's interesting or like cloud computing infrastructure. Or pillows. Whereas like if you were censored by somebody to go into an only fans career what is the alternatives for them? What could they transition into that isn't that you know acting maybe? Maybe the money is just the means to an end or something else. Well sure but I don't know what end do you think? I don't know. Like investing in the property market or something? I don't know. I don't know which one's like I guess I don't know I'm trying to think of other things to other um yeah I certainly think less of the only fans people. Is is the supporting of micro transactions that has does that have a worse influence on a larger sort of market? I see that's where I'm getting the hung up. I don't know. Out of curiosity if you had two friends one of them is dropping $1,000 per week on a girl just to have her write his name on her feet and give some bonus loot picks versus a guy who spends $1,000 per week on skins for the game he's playing. Who do you who do you get the initial sort of more feeling for? Only fans. Only fans okay. Easy. Yeah but so for me the only fans friend I'd be like dude meet women holy shit get outside what are you doing you have a problem like this the guy spending money on a game that means he really really likes this game it doesn't really I don't I don't think I could with well with the micro transaction friend I'd be like game has less of the power of social issue as well I would still think it so there's a bit of a strange thought I'm having here I wonder if it's I treat the the one with the micro transactions almost more seriously I'm like dude you need to do you have a problem like you're spending thousands of dollars on skins like why you barely even use them or you you wouldn't be able to use all of them right if you're buying that many and like and for what purpose like just the prestige of it like you you don't understand you're sinking like your entire world into this meanwhile the other guy I'm like you clearly are alone and you need to find a girl sure what are you what are you driving out though there in terms of the um I wonder if the problem for the micro transaction is the guy is deeper in terms of like ying I wonder do you not think that the the person with the you could just say that about the only fans person that they have like a really deep like I think the problem is that it's so overt what the problem is that you're almost like treating it like it's not as serious well hence I said they would wonder so I don't know why you've locked me in oh well I no I'm just saying like uh do you think that um do you think that might be the thinking there that um so my brain because I I know me so well I think that I've nailed the problem instantly and that if he meets a girl he'll be able to spend his crazy affections on a real person and that that it wouldn't necessarily solve his life or anything but it would um but it would it would get him out of potentially dropping all of his money on some fake relationship online meanwhile micro transaction man I'm like hmm I don't know if there's any getting you out of this yeah I guess maybe but I I wonder if uh like we're not fully addressing the problem by just saying go out there and get a girlfriend because like I don't know that it's necessarily an awesome thing if the same thing happens with a real person in real life where you're just dropping all your money just to try and keep them oh yeah but um so even create relationships I wouldn't assume it could be that I assume it's I would hope that the plot the problem is more so just that uh that's so little luck with women that they ended up in that position meanwhile a real person might knock them into a better reality micro transaction man it's like I don't even know that you would take me seriously I feel like a friend would be like I can spend my money whatever the fuck I want maybe like yeah but I mean might be only maybe yeah I can spend my money on everything I want including I would probably argue much longer with that person the like this this woman doesn't think anything of you you understand that right like at least with micro transaction man he would be able to I think stonewall me because I'd be like to waste money be like how is it waste money and I go well why I mean these things I'm meaning I guess my immediate thing I feel like I guess the problem is I think you could rationally talk to because my thing would be okay so let's take the money that you've saved and let's just hypothetically put it to something else anything else and I can just show you mathematically what you're missing out on um I don't know that I don't know that that person would necessarily I can I could see them pushing back but I don't know that they necessarily if I'm like do you spend ten thousand dollars on micro transactions if you put ten thousand dollars into a standard ETF this is how much more money you have and then you can just keep putting that in and then think about just how many games you can buy yeah but he wouldn't have those sweet skins he unironically would be like yeah I don't want games I want this game and I want the skins in this game um yeah I guess but I mean I might just say well I don't want to go out into the world to try and talk to women I just want to pay money to have this chick draw my name on her feet see I would probably I propose I feel like I have more hope in that one because I'd be like whatever you're getting from this girl you can get from real girls you know that right um yeah but the I I wonder how many of the guys who participate in the only fans are like I know exactly what it is like I know exactly yeah I know she doesn't give a shit well so at that point I give up on both of them I don't know what I can do with either of them at that point um I what what do you think uh what point are you going for in terms of I guess broader societal issues then do you think um I think I feel like the only fans one is more solvable uh but only you know the worst of both of them are both unsolvable but I just think my chances are better with the only fans victim if we can call them both victims of human psychology I I guess that's the thing is I I wonder I I'm not sure I don't know uh they're both pretty bad but I can at least understand the only fans transaction where it's I can I can totally understand the microtransaction one though that's the thing like I get it I totally get it it's uh more than just the fact that it's tit picks but it's like personalized like you're you're buying a relationship with this person and like I get why would they would want that but it's like dude you're you're dumping money into this thing it's a pipe dream you need but I can understand why someone would work on army you know like I can understand why someone would work on like I you know I like ricotta I like that's that color it looks cool I want to stand out I figure this is under the assumption that they're dumping a hell of a lot of money yeah well so the thing I was going to bring up but I guess this applies to both of them they must be really rich both of these people uh yeah and I guess that makes you wonder like is there something to do with just life in general that really bums them out that they fucking hate their job that makes them so much money that they don't give a shit about dropping I don't know like a billion dollars on skins doesn't more than gives up on friends I just mean I wouldn't see it I would still try I like the immediate assumption you just give up on them well the thing is they could very rationally just tell me it's what they want to do they're free to do it no one's being hurt and I'd be like all right yeah it's nothing I can really I can't tell you to stop fucking burning all of your money I guess but I prefer I would probably go that avenue though I'd be like I think of all the good you could do with this money that you're literally just fucking flushing down the toilet I guess I just feel like it would be the same for both of them though you know if the guy buying the skins is like loaded and has heaps of disposable income it's like whatever there's better things to spend your money on but right as opposed to the guy who really could use that money and is throwing it away yeah they're doing that it's like I can't understand why you're doing this you're fucking stupid but I mean I guess the problem is that I can it's like I'm not baffled by why people get addicted to gambling that doesn't baffle me at all or really any anything that's addictive because we all have vices it's just that some of them are highly destructive compared to others yes but we also naturally get what the fuck when we find out about the great like the highest ones it's not even a gameplay aid though it's all cosmetic well sure but I I guess that's the thing right is I can I like it's I get the psychology behind micro transactions very much it doesn't make it doesn't I don't find it difficult to understand at all um in the same way that I don't find it difficult to understand why people become alcoholics and stuff well I don't find the only fans one hard to understand either no neither do I though I think that's what I'm saying I don't I don't see the distinction no I'm bringing understanding everything yeah I understand one thing I bet I understand it I totally understand people trying to fill a void by squirging on things but in the case of the video game skins it's like why the skins like there's so many other things you can waste your money on splashing on a dumb car it's like at least the cog gets me somewhere you know like it is a thing that exists especially when there's stuff that you can't even see it's like you buy it so that other people can see well you have bought it maybe we should use the example something like League of Legends where the skins are actually like worthwhile in terms of they're like full packages tight animations and things to them yeah they're completely unique and they actually change the way everything looks but that's the way to do it that is really the way to do it isn't it give me a lot of value for that you know give me a lot of cosmetic value not I never get to see my skin in this first person game and I just I don't know who this is for I guess it's me like it's it's me knowing that my character is wearing it which is like I can understand that in the real world because a lot of times when you look when you look good and you put a lot of effort and and work into your appearance and your clothes to make sure that they fit in their clean and you're physically wearing it like I get that and I think just a very hyper extrapolation of that to put that into a video game character um I guess it's just because it's all of it is tended to basically projecting status that's what it's all about yeah um especially when people know that the only way to get it is to buy it so if I have it that means people know that I bought it which to me I look at look I look at that and I go you're a pathetic but I guess we're sure but I mean would you say that about uh like if somebody buys a really nice car you know that it's like pathetic because the only reason you have that is because you have more money um I would say that the difference in that is the like the level and the car has just flat out more capabilities oftentimes right but I guess to hit to the fundamental point right what if that guy's logic is yeah I can buy whatever the fuck I won in this game and you can't also when we just have to push the example to some ridiculous car like you know gold plated in every aspect a gold Ferrari yeah yeah if per if push to certain degrees yeah I'd probably have the same thing it would just swing in the opposite direction but if it's if it's this weird kind of yeah that's right I bought a $20 skin I'm like okay like yeah cars have uses for me it's like come on chat come on I feel like so did you not hear me before say it's even if somebody buys like a fancy car at least it drives them dude oh like that kind of stuff actually is like insane I literally said what you agree with can I forgot it to defend you free this what are the most known examples of showing off how rich you are showing off exactly just getting a really fancy car well a lot of people put a lot of personality into their car so that when they drive them they do expect of their personality comes through I like I think it is very clear that cars have faces you know that there is a certain look to a car that gives it a face that humanizes it or not you know personifies it essentially your car has a personality there are many many cars that are great that I will never buy because they I just don't they just don't fit me they don't fit yeah personality and like my my physical presence in and around that car it just doesn't mesh like I would never buy a massive Ford F-150 with huge ass wheels and a big horn you know it just that's not me I that doesn't that just doesn't mesh with me it would be weird if I climbed up into that thing or got out of it or people saw me driving it or if it was parked in front of my place now a 2004 Mazda Speed Miata man fits me like a glove let me tell you that all right that that's that's got me all over it thank you for telling me that one I'm having a bit of a thought here so if we would agree which I think we would agree that like a lot of the reason why people want to get skins is power project like status projection like look at me look at how cool I am um if if that's the case versus I guess what is stemming from the only fans thing which one do we think is a more all-encompassing problem for somebody's personality um I imagine it's gonna depend on how much money they're spending surely and I guess let's assume that it's like for like that we've got a guy who is spending that much money on skins disease spending on if you have fans one the five dollars spent per month on skins versus a girl you wanted to write in your name on whatever I don't really see that as a problem for either of them I assume they both know it's kind of the skins guys just like yeah it's just one skin that I like here in there I'm not really and the guy is like I know she's never gonna skin that I like I guess um so to be more clear I guess and what my question is if if we are to presume that remedying the skin thing will remedy a fundamental issue with that person in terms of their idea of status and the way that human beings compare themselves and that fixes that and if we and the only fans person getting over their issue maybe that fixes the idea of them believing that they need other people to make themselves whole which one do we think is is gonna get I guess better off overall I feel like the problem here is that these people's motivations could be one of many that's what I was gonna bring up um yeah individual reason for doing it this is why I give uh this is why I give cherry blossom 26 on twitch you know this is why I give her a thousand dollars a month it's because this and this and this and this that could be totally different from someone else who's giving him the same amount of money and I think this really might be just down to like the the individual doing it and why they're doing it we always knew that we're just trying to figure out like a sort of a broader like could we could we possibly statistically speaking assume that one of them is more savable than the other or one of us been more damaged than the other because um you know if like movie bob was doing like five dollar donation I'll draw your name my feet I'd probably donate to that one point just to see if it actually happens I'd be so funny meme yeah and if you guys were like more we need to talk to you but I'd be like shut the fuck up I did it once it was a fucking joke yeah yeah same with buying a skin if you guys were like oh shit are you like how much money you spend on skins that buddy have you like it's just one skin I'm gonna be fine I just want this specific skin the aesthetic is too cool to pass up yeah so this like I said like if it was a plague doctor skin and halo infinite that I could buy for 10 bucks or alternatively I had to play for a thousand hours to unlock it I'm buying that skin but it's like yeah there's a lot of us we're playing league and you know rags are switching characters every single game and it was a new skin that we all know and recognize is like 18 dollars per one we'd stop being like um how much money man right I didn't know you had this many skins and if I was just like oh yeah I buy a skin here and there we'd be like we're like hey yeah and then you're like every now and then you're like shut the fuck up shut the fuck up I just want fucking skins all right Jesus okay yeah like he plays like the same character four times and four different skins and we're just like right how much fucking money do you spend on these like ah is that your business I'd start to worry is that your business I spend my money how I fucking please yeah uh so I don't know I guess we'll never know the answer to this because it's just like there's just so many variables what what even was the question who is worse I feel like who is worse is not the right word it's more of like they got a problem right and it's it's uh well our answer is just until we know more specifics about each person in this you know comparison story pretty much because you know if it's like a hundred trillion here and he donates a thousand per week to this one girl to see what she'll do I don't even like I don't even know if that's a problem it sounds like it could be funny well that that would be more like an interesting thing from that guy's point of view wouldn't it you know it's like what happens when a hyper rich person just has the money to experiment uh socially what if we find out the guy spending a thousand pounds skins every week is actually just buying skin gifts and he's just giving them out to people who want he's giving them out to people for free yeah yeah it's complicated I guess like Robin Hood of like yeah the Robin Hood didn't buy buddy off the rich and give it to the no he stole him he he he breaks into the he's breaks into the uh the game all right to steal his skins and make them freely accessible thank you so much Robin Hood for quite a woodland camo this is shit I don't even want it at more curious as to what you think the main reason dudes are on only fans for fucking loneliness man yeah I mean what else would it be this is a way for me to feel like I am either in a relationship or I am in some kind of kind of friendship while being able to stay in the safety and security of my room in my home I don't have to yeah it's very very it's so easy for me and I may I just wasn't spending it anyway or she's giving me something and I appreciate it so that means she deserves all the money I'm giving to her what all whatever reasons it is I think it's just how can I have a relationship that I can back out of at any time I'm also like I'm not saying it's the only reason I love my career I'm not saying it's the only reason there's a lot of it's just loneliness is probably just the more common well I mean naturally right why would you be that buying effectively affection or some sort of you know facade of that unless it was for you know something stemming from that but they can be a lot of these people they might not ever get any like recognition from the person they just just knowing that I give this person money that's just enough for me I uh I now I'm just thinking about the inevitable like robot girlfriend um when that comes around that's gonna kill probably the only fans industry little bit it'll do some damage dude especially if you're gonna upload these little robot girlfriends like any personalities yeah dude it's literally Futurama just make you robot like scholarship and guarantee you there will be celebrity women who would be like I will absolutely give you the yeah if I get royalties every time hell yeah and that's what I mean it's literally gonna be like in that video where it's where Billy dies and then his planet gets destroyed by aliens do you know what planet he was from it was earth no date robots and like it's so funny because it's true it's gonna happen don't you worry it's it's absolutely gonna happen by the way like that there's no stopping that that's gonna be a whole economy hey he gets all excited you just he wants it now I find it interesting I just find it so interesting to think about the way that human beings use technology yeah we're not far off from that like joy thing from Blade Runner yeah oh yeah hell yeah that's definitely gonna be a thing even within our lifetimes oh I think it's I think it's guaranteed within like the next 20 years if there was the hesitate to say it sounds so dark but if there was like a cocaine equivalent and it makes you feel the feeling of experiencing that shit you're talking about the halo to like lab party and you get that experience from injecting that's like you that's the kind of drug or be like I gotta stay away from that shit I would get addicted I can trust myself to give it up yeah I can't I could see myself convincing this power I can convince myself just like take it until you die it's fucking worth it I'd be like oh god yeah like um I yeah I'm pretty sure we've talked about this before Mauler and like when discussing this uh that topic of like basically would you press the button that would uh you know make you have like ex emotion or and you know once you do it it's like you know that you probably not can be able to walk it back yeah because you'll be a changed person at that point so I think it's uh something that's talked about where now I could be totally wrong and I'm sure someone in chat will know more about this than me but I remember hearing this that are that if when somebody takes ecstasy um it achieves a certain level of certain chemicals in their brain that is impossible to replicate normally and so like once you take it whatever high you you achieve there it's impossible to do without taking it again yeah um I don't know if that's true but it feels like it would be the thing of you don't want to press that button I can believe that it's like lessons all other experiences yeah um you can never achieve that level for as long as you abstain from uh from using it and you recognize that you abstaining it is healthy but it's like god damn because all you have essentially is your uh experiences that's like all humans have um so to fundamentally alter that it's like that's a scary that's a scary button to press so anyway back to super chance huh about that all right you got your money's worth there buddy my fans want me to get an only fans and I'm just thinking I would have a piss cam where I would uh tape a GoPro to my dick and the fans can watch me pee it would be dark most of the day but man it would it's waiting for that payoff you know it's waiting for the zip yeah or I could put a gopro in the inside of my toilet toilet bowl and have like a 24 seven stream and you could watch me take a shit whenever you want well whenever i'm shitting anyway you don't have an industry then you can always have a tab open with my 24 seven toilet bowl stream and he's like oh he's taking a shit and i'm gonna get heat up some popcorn that is an interesting idea um would you say that it's a squadage industry beautiful you could say that will you cover the wheel of time show amazon is billing it as their game of thrones there isn't even much critical analysis of it and I would love to hear your take I don't think any of us have any interest in that I'm afraid no I've never and I keep hearing it's terrible so I heard I've heard really bad things from a mega fan of a wheel of time so yeah apparently not only just it's bad bad story and bad adaptation um so yeah on all fronts uh so here's a dinosaur fun fact for the day uh you know the carnitaurus well it has a family member with the name you will find quite amusing that name is Thanos literally look up Thanos dinosaur and it'll be the first result uh pity that they didn't put that dinosaur in the game hey wouldn't that be funny if once it exits the incubation lab the announcer says we're pleased to welcome Thanos to the park it would be they could justify that yeah they could have done it like they're gone away with it too Thanos is named I think it's named after the marvel villain let me let me double check oh like the guy who found it like the comics I guess all right it might be it might be because Thanos is reasonably old yeah Thanos Siminatoi um it is a yeah it's it's similar to uh the t-rex and it's look it it's got very tiny arms they're practically vestigial they have yeah very tiny arms it's basically a t-rex just without arms are so tiny um oh geez yeah uh let me see so yeah it'll probably look different in you know years and you know not too long time as we find more examples of it we piece it together better is it purple wow we don't know the colors of dinosaurs accurately right I'm not sure do we how I yeah I'm not sure how we do know that uh I I'm just not sure maybe we do maybe we don't I have no idea how paleontology and well stuff like that works I think it's the the thing right our common perception of dinosaurs you know being basically just giant reptiles but not with feathers in a lot of their interpretations is just stemming from the fact that that was something we didn't know for a while right or yeah but now I'm asking because I I don't I don't really know I I just know that they did have some of them did have feathers yeah I mean the they became birds so yeah that loses I think I feel like birds one out in a lot of ways in the game of evolution well I mean they they did that's why they evolved into birds that's true they're still here right they did win the game yeah they're like you think we lost bitch we evolved to this Chad bird all right Chad bird yeah Chad birds versus um virgin eight you got a t-rex up against the little fucking like woodpecker yeah the eight well a t-rex can't really kill a woodpecker right can have trouble woodpecker land on it back of its neck and just go go to town going to his eye what's he gonna do death by a thousand folks yeah death by a thousand pets I just recently went back to rewatch red versus blue to catch up and wow is it hard to believe just how absolutely amazing one through 13 are heart heart touching funny suspenseful and genuine better than most content I uh I do I do like red versus blue um yeah it's good I uh I think uh I think part of it is just I respect it a lot uh for you know basically kicking off like machinima is more mainstream thing yeah um but yeah I I not I'm not up to date on like red versus blue at all I think I dropped off like a while ago I mean I would say this whether or not our current cast were here but uh I'm pretty sure I watched it I watched it after I'll be in the chief and I felt like it wasn't as good so I was like me I I think I was backwards I remember I watched season this it was around the same time though because like 2008 I think I watched uh red versus blue season four out of context and then I watched I'll be in the chief to be fair our being the chief is the greatest show ever made didn't it win seven Oscars you have to have a fairly high IQ to understand yeah yeah but I seriously I do I do prefer I do prefer I'll be the chief I mean these days certainly isn't isn't that red versus blue just like a horrible zombie no compared to what it was I think uh because it's still going and it's up to like season 16 or 17 I think now um it's like holy shit you know it's hard to run a show for that long without uh you know going off the rails a bit uh burning and a lot of lead writer for the longest time but he's off doing his own thing right now he's doing his own thing now yeah um and I'm pretty sure uh Joel Heyman isn't that the company anymore and not on good terms either from what I understand no so yeah well Moopa et al hey hello hi wanted to bat for my fellow testers in the games industry quickly with popular games uh cyberpunk gta etc qa finds 99 of the bugs posted on social media but higher ups will sadly push the game regardless yeah I had a feeling yeah that's not really is it just like what procedure at that point then like what's the point in having them if you're just gonna ignore them well if you identify the bugs you can fix them later it doesn't mean you fix them now you know like I uh okay so let me be more specific if they highlighted what's been highlighted then how did rockstar know like you'd be like so this is gonna get pulled off uh steam well I guess the thing is you still put it out there and see how far you can push it right um because ultimately I think it's the whole thing if you release it broken it gets pulled later that might still be preferable to delaying it depending on what your objectives are I always wonder about that publisher like I wonder but cyberpunk 2077 it's like if that game got delayed again shit that I understand but like in my head I'm like they delayed by let's just say another two years and let's pretend for second legally they were able to with whatever responsibilities they had higher up what would happen it's like I'm pretty sure the hype will have uh been halved at the very least but what if it were good when it came out yeah if the if they came out and say he was an official release date they launched the trailers like a thorough apology that they overestimated or underestimated how long it would take yeah it was played up it was worth the wait unlike anything else it was it was is worth the wait finally out yeah the trailers I guess um I mean because because the question was like you know QA figures out like 99% of things and they just get passed on I imagine the whole thing is we need QA to make sure that they catch game breaking bugs like anything that would potentially get us in serious trouble like in cyberpunk well yeah cyberpunk but it would be the idea of like you know that it constantly is like shutting down or hard killing your piece which I'm pretty sure 2042 does too um but yeah I think it's just an issue of um ultimately you'd have a guy at the top that's like dude we got to get it out and it also will depend on how much that person understands game development as a thing yeah I guess because everyone's line for what is a broken game will be different I suppose um yeah what is his line you know um and what is what are his maybe invest in hiring a fucking person who can okay the game and knows how the public will respond to it just hire that one guy that expert the expert and listen to him hire that one guy with an internet connection yeah that guy yeah he's just like all right so this isn't gonna work out for you all right don't do this this is bad idea yeah guys like PR is really really bad whenever you google it or youtube it like bad things come up and only bad things literally no good and of course it's isn't a good time to release you know good will that's good will is valuable uh good will is something that you want to just keep uh even if it costs you money short-term in because city project reds long-term reputation is pretty bad now at this point I think um they have the perception of nah you're not the same anymore and you're never gonna get that back no yeah it's done like you you know even with uh hello games like this still you know probably hundreds of thousands of people who think of them yeah as is one of the many people who still think of them as absolute scum so you ain't getting that back no matter what you do and just have to wonder I mean you know what imagine um it would be really cool to just see what would have happened had no man sky released on the day it was supposed to in the current state that it is at now um yeah probably have a pretty good reputation overall I'd be really interested to see that world um I wonder if we'd all know no man sky is one of the greatest games of all time you know maybe yeah maybe that's fascinating to think about right because like it exists in the exact same way but the release decided its legacy which it makes sense but it's still just interesting to think about yeah well yeah released it does it does determine how people feel about it um hi rags hello fuck mary kill uh miyazaki don bluth and ralph back she i'm not as familiar with miyazaki as i am with the other two are we that again sorry um heo miyazaki don bluth and ralph back she i'm blanking right now i know the work of ralph back she any of those and don bluth i'm not because they're usually trying to figure this out by like what you just what you like the most essentially um i don't know if i have that much of a preference i enjoy a lot of the stuff from all of them oh miyazaki he's like the is he the spirit of the way going hmm wait sorry i i like i'm i'm i'm genuinely like i don't don bluth was uh animator right the uh he made an american tale miyazaki called anime trash he's a basic so don bluth made like secrets in americans tale and anastasia ride or land for time fuck he is uh he is a hyper talented animator like most movies are gorgeous um i guess miyazaki spirited away right and uh and uh and trolling central park third guy who was the third one again ralph back she okay what did what did he make have you seen the lord of the rings cats wizard um very very unique art style or approach yeah um very yeah let me see talented artists but how good are they in bed was the thing i really got nothing i don't know how to answer this really i got i got nothing interesting to say i'm i'm gonna defer to whoever has an answer for this i think i'm gonna it doesn't matter whether miyazaki animated it or not it because he was the director so he's ultimately responsible for it to into a great large extent those productions yeah i don't know someone was just saying that he didn't animate um but he's still an artist right he probably still did storyboards and stuff i'm pretty sure he draws like i because there's that image of him with the the cigarette i'm pretty sure it's because he's like slaving away over a drawing like storyboards or something i think that i will i think i would kill back she and because back she uh let's see let me take a look at these guys again this is a tough one what can i say images images and miyazaki's first name was uh heo h i y o studio ghibli right that's the guy yeah so yeah i'd fuck him fuck the shit out of him uh yeah don bluth back to the day he looks kind of like a pito Ralph back she let me see oh we're fucking Ralph back she absolutely no he's fucking me he's just got this it's kind of rough like man what that that guy was as a good-looking guy um so we're gonna fuck back she but but that means i gotta kill one of the other two i don't know um i don't i know the least about miyazaki uh now somebody's in chat has just mentioned something which uh it's just interesting that don bluth was important and that he demonstrated that it was possible to compete with disney in animation um so it's interesting to think about like legacy in that sense that's where the Americans hail um well i i guess in terms of whether you'd want to kill anybody right like uh if you're trying to think about does it mean that their legacy is erased if you kill i i well do we presume that this no i guess we wouldn't presume that it predates their work we would we would still assume that it was after their work yeah i'm not sure i i don't know i don't have an answer for this one yeah if it's yeah i think just i will fuck back she kill miyazaki mary bluth but i don't know it's not i don't feel it's very difficult to decide and i feel in no strong particular way in any of the neither do i neither do i like the lot of them they go on to say i apologize for any misspellings also watch jim roe wolf brigades really good yeah that is good well last super chat that's what this says it isn't actually the last super chat um watch the mothman prophecies one bow uh preferentially the next halloween or i'll squeeze the p out of your mask do you have pee in your mask i thought pee was stored in the balls well there was a meme about it but there's no actual pee in my balls okay fake pee it's richard gear in that movie the p mask one balls emit balls the piffy balls the me is gauze spaceballs was thinking of getting a mic for youtube videos what kinds do y'all use i've been watching your stream and i like what you do metal keep it up well thank you also high fringy plot twist no greeting for rags oh my goodness he comes bearing the tidings of war i haven't had to be 2020 with xlr i think you'll do right i have i have an 8 2020 usb plus oh yeah that that's probably the one you want to go with if you start and because it's you don't need the uh the sound equipment and everything yeah you just plug it into usb and it it works like any other any other thing i got the same blue mics people like those um yeah all right i have not so thank you for letting you know that pee is not stored in the balls i'm very aware of that thank you no you said you said it earlier rags so they're informing you so it's an old joke it's an old yeah it's an old me it isn't well according to this chatter but what do they know meadow it sounded like you said you wanted to sleep yes because it's almost 4 a.m and i'm getting oh my goodness going early today huh i mean yeah it's pretty early a couple of hours and there's light outside again well very well so late it's early all right sleep wheel have fun so we'll catch you later later meadow no no no i'm i'll catch you catch your lights around we'll keep a little bye bye there he goes what a hero and then there were four uh i have not seen shang chi or the eternals am i better off completely skipping them yeah yeah probably i don't think you're missing much for shang chi it yeah um i think they both suck but shang chi is definitely that's like the best of phase four that seemed all right i just didn't get around to seeing it i know why i mean i think i was bad but when i say when i say best it's just compared to everything else it's uh it's probably the strongest yeah honestly if it were on its own it'd be like what a bad shit fucking movie but in reference to the rest of phase four it's like yeah it's okay because phase four is just horrible relative to everything else yeah i think like like figuring out what new shit they would do for phase four after the avengers movies uh going like martial arts is pretty good choice well the problem is it doesn't stay a martial arts movie it turns into crazy mcu bullshit with a dragon at the end oh yeah if it had just been a martial arts movie that was low stakes that would have been cooler but then it has to end with we got to save the world from the spirit eating dragon you know your usual stuff giant blue space laser we haven't got another one of those yet but uh you know who knows give it time well it's turned from blue spaces into just crazy third acts that's what criticism is basically just some nuts jumping out hey look black widow you can just have like a cool little espionage story it's got to be some fucking insane shit an enormous absurd space stationy thing crashing down to earth while you fly through you fly down yeah fly through the debris and fight a giant uh robo like moza urban skeletal task task manager that you have fucking people being like oh so you guys are okay with it you guys are okay with it when iron man does it but not when a woman does it it's like nailed it if captain marvel did it it would have been fine yep like well if one does because probably a bit of shit movie anyway but yes it would have been more right yeah uh we just we can't do people who aren't super duper powerful anymore because you look to the future it's like so now wonders like insanely she's like the most powerful asian in this universe captain marvel is the most insane powerful thing in this universe um dr strange is hyper powerful too um shang chi controls these crazy rings that apparently like predate earth and can like blow up dragons from other dimensions we have um like a five-hour stream all about this if you're interested it's incredible every plot point it is a bizarre movie well i watched uh your video on it moller specifically um before i saw the movie i really enjoyed that wait which film um black widow sorry i thought that's what we were talking about sorry i thought it was a much long cheat and i was like wait i was okay they were both thrown in there into the discussion you know black widow was uh surprisingly shit yeah it took me four hours to go through it like that dude black widow's script was astounding that was yeah it's it's pretty unreal um something that is concerning me a lot as well as i just keep seeing these interviews but like yeah with marvel you know like sometimes you show up on the set that day and there'll be like new material um you don't like you don't know what you're doing yeah they they said they hadn't figured out the third act for spider man when they were filming they did say that and that's which is horrifying strange as well they're doing like extensive research where apparently they're showing up and don't know what they're doing until they get there where's the respect for the script man like what the hell is happening why aren't we entering into these films with like a really solid foundation and that like in terms of the script and then of course you make changes as you do when you make the film but you're not deviating too significantly from the fundamental script and i think part of it as well is just um like i got to imagine it's really fucking hard as an actor to be like all right so you make in one division and you don't know what you're going to be doing in dr strange all right is that cool so you're making a film where you've got a story that is going to lead directly into another one and you have no idea what that other story is going to be as what elizabeth olson said but she said it almost like in a positive way you know it's like well you know you've got to try and stay true i mean well you just said like how can you possibly how how do you do that like you run away at the end of one division into a different story and it's like who am i in that story what have i learned what do i feel and it's like we're not sure so just try and run away neutrally either we don't know or we're not going to tell you and it seems like the answer is they didn't know if the film opens with her being really angry right or really confused or really at peace because she's gotten the power she needs this like that should reflect the last time we saw her in one division but she comes she leaves in that show just very neutrally she's like well here i go yeah i probably did that neutrally to uh to make sure that there was um nothing too contradictory to figure out for dr strange yeah which is insane to think about considering that i'm pretty sure one division wraps as soon as dr strange started so it's like you had no reason not to be able to do this right you led right into the next production i just surely had a script there's that guy and he's just in there he's been there from the beginning and he's just getting louder and louder the guy who says it doesn't really matter come on like we'll sort out as we go it's fine i people don't really care it's fine well yeah because uh the rumor goes that the reason why they're doing these reshoots for dr strange is to add more cameos that they weren't enough in the original and worth keeping in mind that so far the the leaked cameos of fucking prophet like uh patrick stewart charles xavier is like one of the major cameos the best point is like well yeah all bets are off like we might even get wolverine you jackman come back at some stage who knows i read an article the other day that wil smith said he's going to agree to be in the mc as long as he has a major role oh so who would he be then don't fucking know me i guess anybody right he's already dead shot isn't he from well that's in dc and they don't seem to be continuing with that so i can understand why i'd have this marvel yeah hence his restriction of you better guarantee me big money for a lot of stuff yeah it's weird to think of wil smith and me and see you uh it's it's weird but also not look at look at how many people already in it it swallows them all eventually right i guess from an actor's POV it's it's really safe work for like a decade yeah yeah um being in the mcu and there's just their consent anymore if you have that kind of ego is a lot of celebrities do is like dams use perfect for you if you got adoration from fucking everywhere they release a tv show with you as the main character twitter will go nuts no matter what they'll just think of you as a god i mean look at look at the agatha oh hi an agatha tv show oh wow well it's funny how but like i don't like that shit i don't think i'm watching that one i can't see myself watching that one well yeah i guess no because you know none of us watched what if we're probably all gonna watch this guy but like they'll eventually be ones that i don't think we're running out of people to be invested in because i wonder you know hawkeye season two and it's all just kate bishop it's like i don't know that i'd watch that depending on how this season goes maybe it should be a great character you know maybe that was it depending on how this season goes yeah it'd be nice if they had a new character really cool lowkey season two that would be a question would you guys watch that oh i don't want to i don't want to here let's do this here's my position on what i'll watch if i have to watch it for e-fap i'll watch it and you two can decide which ones those well sometimes we don't even know because remember we didn't even plan to cover all three of those stupid shows so we i know it then they all suck so much it made us well and it was so crazy how the good faith evaporated like when we watched war division we were pretty on its side for a while it took until like episode five it's like okay well we were like that the first episode or two those these are good i'm interested to really see where this goes they're the lowest rated episodes on imdb as well yeah and then we watched crap it was soldier by the end of episode why it's like uh yeah you can just tell the writing and with i think like it was 10 minutes like now it's when we were checked down it just kept getting shorter and shorter and shorter it was the infinity stones being laughed at that's when we were like i think yeah that was like we gotta do a stream we gotta talk about it yeah that was one of those we need to get our thoughts out now and that's the one you don't want to fuck up right because it's like the it's the the management of like the whole foundation framework of reality in the mcu universe all the dimensions i don't think they fully appreciate that though i don't give a fuck like they're talking to them they'd be like yeah loki is the most important one in the mcu because of its foundational things it says about time and space in the multiverse i think they would have that perspective it's like well loki's cool show where we explore that concept and that's it trivialized it all to a ridiculous degree it's like watching the office or something where it's like some of the defenses from fans like day one we're like you guys know this isn't real right so none of it matters anyway so they're just having fun that's a terrible argument it's painful it's not real yes i know it's not real what can i say is that well i guess their logic is real oh dang their logic is like why do you care so much whether or not they get particular details right it's all fiction anyway it's like wow i don't know i have a little bit more respect for fiction so why do you why just ask them why do you hate art i've always loved that we get that accusation it's like they don't respect filmmaking i was like you guys don't respect it you don't give a fuck whether or not it's good you don't swallow it all up guys they don't respect filmmaking now clap at the flashing lights aren't they amazing look michael keaton batman is in the flash come on yeah you can say the same thing to somebody who's like praising a comic book movie it's like you know it's not real right yeah why you're wasting your time robert downey jr went home that day it was fake you get it right like he didn't actually die he went home tony stark isn't real yeah this opposites to everything when they say like you take the controversial take or that you hate it because it's not the thing that you wanted so you just flip this all around it's like you only like it because it's what you wanted is that more meaningful than my position yeah um also bonjour mr rags oh bonjour and hello to the australian green bird and the crying man too hey crying man is asleep i'm not a bird bird all right close enough what's in that big cheese it's you know spices and stuff herbs your secrets nice cilantro well i don't know what herbs but herbs of some kind some goo in there that would be good that would be good more for you to establish well like could i season a steak with it i i mean i suppose you could give it a try oh my goodness the herbs are mostly to protect me from all those scary illnesses good um calling it norman's about to win but peter finally sends him back to his timeline and that's when norman goes oh in 2002 and then bam glider death we already talked about the previous stream thing yeah i think that would be way too i don't know tonally that's gonna be really hard to nail if they did that yeah uh did you know that the guy from your tasman 2 debate still thinks the tasman 2 is great and that it will be a bad that it was a bad debate with you hi rags and other yes other hi i mean it's that's fine they lost miserably that's what i was to say um yeah tasman 2 shit it's the kind of thing where um i've spoken to to people in that sphere related to just just how this this element of like if you have we've sort of was four in general if you have an argument that means you've won it in your head so like you know rags as two plus two is four in my head i go yeah but two two could be like anything rags can we debate this you go no and i go well it's ice because i'm i i got it two could be anything two plus two is no longer full it's like i've got it i'd nail it and you talk to him for five seconds they go your rags it's like two is not anything and i'm like what what no and then i go away unhappy but you know okay rags got me and then i go wait but two could be everything i've got him now rags don't debate again and you're like no i'm fucking done talking about the number two well i i just say like if you get his number and you fuck it up like yeah prepare better i don't i mean that film is a catastrophe like absolute fucking catastrophe and the irony there is that it's not even the worst out of the two tazams from what i remember yeah um i am legitimately baffled how anyone could watch those movies and think they're anything other than horrific so those movies are i thought the second one was a lot worse than the first one everyone tends to come away thinking that but me i remember being rags rewatched the i say rewatched i think it was first time was it the first time a few rags or did you see them before it was the first time for me yeah for me it was like second or whatever but i i remember the first one being less egregious and then we watched and i was like okay actually like this i completely forgot how dumb this movie is yeah i didn't like the lizard going like i will i must turn everyone into a lizard now listen that's so stupid all right that was really fucking dumb compare that to vulture holy shit like he wants to turn everyone into vulture he wants to turn everybody into yeah he's turning everyone into a bird no everybody will understand what it's like to go for scraps don't you see this is the next step in human evolution no this kind of sucks there don't you know i'm the vulture get some culture i'm the vulture fucking hell yeah and then what was electro motivation again lizard uh he wanted to turn the world into electricity so that they could understand the pain of being energy was it that he wanted to knock out everyone's powers so they do what it's like to live in a world without spider-man wasn't that what he said but would then there'd be no power for you so well he's made of power for me because he wants them to feel like helpless yeah yeah yeah you have no power but i'm pretty sure he says explicitly like a world where they can't rely on spider-man or some shit like that right because if spider-man lived in the prehistoric era he'd just be worthless like i just want it clear you know vulture's trying to raise enough money to take care of his family while staying under the radar from the avengers by doing like within a particular strategy right mysterio is trying to take the position of iron man through devious means without actually using powers and tricking everybody electro wants everyone to be sad and lizard wants everybody to be lizards it's like fuck me did you even try people look at that they're like well you know look compared to like the amazing spider-man movies are pretty great compared to the mc spider-man movies dude crazy the the villains need work the taza movies but i mean they need no more work than everything else does in those places yeah i feel bad for the taza movies but it'll be neat to see andrew garfield spider-man electro's motivation is in the song listen to the leader man i like andrew garfield spider-man he's fun and quippy i do like his peter park it's not perfect but uh i like some of the elements it brings you know because like i with film you have to you know accept that each actor that plays the role is going to bring something unique to the table and uh i like some of the aspects of peter parker it was a little it's kind he had kind of a dark edge to him that doesn't really fit with like the common image of peter parker and the comics and the cartoons and stuff but um i thought he played it pretty well um somebody said his motivation is of the lyrics i'm just reading them fuck me how did this song get written well so you got the lyrics i'll give you a link yeah um i'm gonna i'm gonna read these out blankly right like the idea being i'm not gonna have them in a song sense just you got something's happening mind distracting agony inside of me my pulse is rising mental torture self destroyer can't ignore the paranoia something's happening and then we get like the chorus of denying the rising the crying i'm dying denying the rising i'm crying the dying and then you get to he lied to me he shot at me he hates on me he's using me fragility electricity afraid of me he's dead to me and then it repeats he lied to me he shot at me he hates on me he's using me he's dead to me the spider man is my enemy yeah there is a spider man i like this like out about those lyrics you like see it's it's his motivation i feel like what is his motivation i would happily say this song is more ferell than it is the harms well look here i yeah i don't know because you know you what you do that and it's like what'd you make in 2014 as well interstellar holy s**t the soundtrack for the cell is phenomenal compared to this holy s**t yeah exactly afraid of me he lied to me in his spider man the spider man is my enemy i would play yms's parody of this if i could spider man spider man spider man spider man why did you write this someone thought this was good many people approved of this well someone had to edit that while he was cutting the clips together he had to keep hearing that repeat yep you felt movies tazam we could do that one day once you forget it yeah electricity top-notch movie that's such a shame about the lizard because the the actor that they got for him i really like him he's not nearly enough stuff like uh he's in like one or two things here and there like zinephilius lovegood and harry potter and uh not much else though spotty but he's he's so good right actors for their villains yeah into far yes yeah jillan hall Mike Keaton and Reese was a good pick for kurt connor's i like that choice yeah i think so his motivation is the thing the tazam films have all the resources they need they just didn't have the scripts yeah yeah jamie fox was good i like him it was an embarrassing role i like yeah that bad role well maybe so like right off the bat even before electro when he's just like the bumbling employee carrying all the blueprints it's it was so that's a fucking cliche right there i'm a nerd right like the nerd carrying all his books and then he gets knocked over and he's picking up all his papers like oh it's like it's so lazy electricity um damn names ragu i misspoke when i asked about battlefield one battle packs i meant to ask about the things that unlock more maps the dlcs i guess oh yeah the dlcs are quite good the dlcs are pretty impressive for battlefield one they have whole reskins of factions to be like navel oriented or and they have the ossees and some of the the desert maps um new weapons and the maps are pretty pretty good and there's still servers who run all of the uh all the modes or all the uh the whole game all the lcs all right so i wanted to see that scene again with the singing here we go and one of the top comments on the video is one of the best spider-man scenes of all spider-man movies and the background music is just ob electric was literally the example of we live in a society way before joker made the concepts famous wow no he's been people already point out uh batman forever has the characters the the riddler in that has the exact same fucking origin he's this nerd that no one likes and then he gets like shunned by batman and so he becomes a villain it's an archetype it's been around forever reminds me of uh syndrome from uh yeah incredible yeah except syndrome is well executed syndrome is one of the best very well executed that was that was a great movie incredible sport that movie man do do hi rags hi i know things are kind of difficult to get now in the market but would you recommend getting a gtx 3060 ti or gtx 3070 for fizz pc i simply do not know the specs and pricing on them right now uh what i would do is go to gamers nexus and find their reviews of both of those cards i have an immense amount of respect for that channel and i think they will do um a very good job at giving you a super good uh bit of advice on what you should buy what's overpriced what um you know what with you know what things will work out best for you that that's my advice go and go to their channel and look at the reviews for them because i just don't know if it's off my head because i don't if i haven't needed parts in a long time and i don't talk about pc stuff on my channel so as a result i just don't really keep up with stuff even if i had like a tishory knowledge of a lot of this we have so many tools now and channels and access to information that i wouldn't even want to recommend my own knowledge over uh researching it if you know what i mean especially for something as pricey as like a big old graphics card i'd be like just be careful make sure it's the one you need a one yeah uh there's nothing wrong with getting something nice and everything like that i mean i'm totally for it but just make sure you don't you know overspend too much especially nowadays and make sure you're getting something that's you know at least a decent value or start i really don't see the appeal in those like you know your 30 80s graphics cards and all that like for ray tracing i don't go fuck about ray tracing ray tracing looks pretty great um it does look good yeah but i just don't care about it enough for like that price hike once it becomes a commonplace thing i'll be very happy because ray tracing looks really awesome we imagine how good mario potty would look with ray tracing right now john look at this i mean you know you can see the sheen on while luise is ray tracing yeah see the gleam in his eyes does he steals your girl just warrior stealing your old friend mario mario mola why do you and internet historian take six years to upload a video also high rags oh it's probably just a bad internet yeah um six years i haven't taken six years to do a video yet but uh i think my record is still six months unless there's two different videos that took six months to make but uh the other process just got longer because i have so many more um sort of standards that have been built up in terms of things i can't cut corners on but ain't a day where i'm not working and you will be getting your videos as soon as they are ready you gotta get off the dial up they got broadband now you guys is that like a band that's really broad it's very broad yes broad broad appeal everyone likes them well yeah everyone's everyone's all right with them no one loves them that's true first super chat been watching you guys since your second efat movie unicorn store you guys never cease to take it back yeah you guys never cease to keep me interested also high rags oh hello good day fringy yo ale metal he's saying hail and good to see you john and hello there mola hello sup man yeah this is how many efat movies we got now we're up to 40 almost i think the resident evil ones added a whole bunch on definitely getting up there you could unicorn stores all the way back at two that movie was weird it was uh hey y'all favorite pie types pie types types of pie that's what it says um kelly pies they're pretty cool i've never heard of that what is a ned kelly pie it is a meat pie but with bacon and egg at the top oh that sounds really good yeah it's uh yeah it's really so they can be sweet or savory oh i presume so right yeah i guess so i don't see why not i like pumpkin i like that i don't think i've ever had a preference of pie i like a little bunch of them um i really really like cheesecake um so yeah pumpkin pies such a cheese answer um but there's those would probably be my top two i'm not as big into the fruity kind of pies kinds of pies but i really like tardy stuff like some of the breakfast um wait remind me just pizza count yes well generally it technically does but it generally in the spirit of the question people have this conversation we did we did yeah i but i i do like pizza a lot i love pizza pizza's cool yeah damn if pizza is counting then probably would be pizza pizza is poggers pizza time i would marry pizza i'd fuck pizza and see you have to take it there you have to take it there it is now there so anyway another go ahead also something funny y'all might like bully maguire in avengers infinity war also high rax hello i've i think i've seen that one i've seen a lot of bully maguire video you put some dirt in your eye swear to god the whole what is fucking lose this shit odd light if he has any reference to bully maguire in this movie i'm gonna put some sand in your eye gonna cry gonna cry gonna cry thanos uh hey rags hey who is your favorite drg class and why is it drilla uh well it is the scout i really like playing the scout it's really the only one i've played because i'm in a group who plays it together and that's uh what i do uh i like it i really like the mobility of it decent enough in combat and it's a good support role to be able to uh like revive people faster because you could zip line to them and just being able to produce light with the flares this is really really important for the team it's very satisfying when people ask for it you just provide it for everyone it's like ah yes i can see and when you fell is going to stream that masterpiece sometime it's really good stream material so we've got a lot of things we've got to do so eventually well it'll be put onto a list of some sort it's just the dragon game what was it uh tools in space oh okay mining dwarf miners in space oh hi fringy mohler and rags hello hi yo sorry for the plug would you like to see my video on adaptations i'd like feedback but you don't have to give it thanks uh i'm right this is like videos on adaptations i mean sure i don't know you you know our our positions on adaptations if that's what the video is about um i mean i'm i'm glad you i'm glad you're making videos we were busy as it is watching a whole bunch of stuff and we might get around to it you might see it uh if a link is passed to us but um i don't want to guarantee that we're gonna watch it and critique it and get back to you with a list of stuff um but we are legitimately happy that you are making videos because that's far more than anyone ever does is even make the thing the first place yeah uh more in metal why did you destroy fringy and sargon's house in iraq uh fringy why does your goo turn people into vampire bat things hi rags hello my dear these both of these claims seem spurious at best i don't understand what this is and it's both lies i think how could you that's what i think just lies upon lies with some lies sprinkled in uh i don't know if you've already finished your war movie arc but i'd like to recommend ivenhoe ivenhoe uh ivenhoe 1952 anyway thank you so much for what you guys do absolutely no problem yeah you're welcome and thanks for watching we call it the war movie arc that's not a suitable name i don't think it isn't it's actually a it's a bad name it started out as one thing and it became just sort of adventury actiony kind of this stuff in this we will release a trailer eventually and you will be baffled by it you'll be like what how did you guys end up what why just be like well things just happen um but you know it'll probably be something we try and do actually watch some more movies in there at some point i don't know um also the business end that is the one that made the uh the animations that have been at the beginning a lot of our anniversary streams you know the um what i put this the ones that are like stories um but done in a really particular like it's all drawn i think it's the one where i was like hanging off um i was about to be killed by quintin is the latest one we've seen oh i know what you're talking about yeah fucking top-notch excellent animations uh stout stag is the one i'm talking about there's a couple of animators in the uh the e-fab community i really like his videos a whole lot those are those especially his i mean especially a lot of them but his i really enjoy yeah it's uh it's really great stuff ahoy i asked ages ago if you would want to hear a response to your e-fab movies godzilla well silly me i've made one anyway would you love to hear your thoughts on it even if only a video comment hi rags hi i haven't seen that movie in so long now it'd be useless to be able to reference to you whether or not arguments are good or bad and stuff yeah i don't and i don't have too much of an investment in uh king cock the movie is really really bad yeah king of the king of the monsters yeah and the movie was really bad so i'm not going to worry too much about the one where they're like in order to save earth we have to release all the monsters on humanity and then she's like oh no they're starting to hurt people and you just want to fucking die and remember so i was hoping you were talking about the 90s godzilla with the no puff daddy music video if i remember the central like drama is because they want to wake up one monster at a time and they want to hope that the monsters sort of like heal earth which by the way the end of the film argues is something that's happening unfortunately they wake up uh king adora first and king adora is not one of the monsters he's an alien and then he wakes up all the monsters at once so like bad luck i guess if only they'd woken up a different one there's a lot wrong with that movie from what i remember do you remember the fucking there's a bunch of humans in like is it portland and they detonate what is the equivalent of like a bazillion ton nuke from godzilla just in america it's just a nuke that goes off and melts buildings like boston or something i can't remember where it was but uh i just remember we were all blown away because there's like people in the scene who are running around and stuff just like he's he's literally through it godzilla walking past buildings just melts them like that's what's that's how powerful it is radiation was so insane like the world is dead now he's the sheer radiation is just melting buildings as he walks by them yeah apparently it was boston um the movie gave me a headache it made me angry it's fucking stupid salt on the fences and i couldn't see anything because everything was so dark and rainy well we'll have to consider doing some form of uh because i want to do peter jackson's kong but then i also want to do kong versus godzilla um so we'll figure something out at some point i don't know the radiation was kang of course kang controls everything um hi rags hi any thoughts on the world building for titanfall slash apax i personally like that there isn't intel intelligence besides humans um i don't have anything really to say about the the apex world building i find it really it's a very cringy sort of thing that they do with a lot of characters and stuff i don't know much about it honestly uh so i i don't i unfortunately don't have any thoughts to give um now when it comes to titanfall i'm much more interested in titan but it's the same universe i guess but certainly after playing you know it doesn't have to try as hard to justify how cool and awesome the specific legend are yeah there's this game show rather there's very little in the way of it's almost like yeah see this is a gun from a titanfall universe like that's that's how you tell it doesn't like the the apex legends lore is just like don't even don't even just play the game um i just don't know enough about it i just i'm not familiar enough with the titanfall lore i love the aesthetics i love the ships i love the mechs i love the the different planets and places that you go to in titanfall too is super interesting but i don't know too much of the lore itself really any of it honestly doing playing against an easy bot on this game he's he's not making it that difficult what one is this seven yeah look at this it's poor waluigi i think i won there are two halo questions for all which brutes had the better gameplay to fight against between halo two three or reach that's the first question reach maybe um i don't know how to play him again that belly anything and breach three i was the correct answer i don't really know the gameplay difference between all of them like it's been a while since they played certainly don't the big thing was a three because there were no elites they built in that role so there was a big focus on making them more of an that's why i liked two so much yeah i've really liked how to kind of explored the the covenant side of things and you had you get you got to play as the arbiter who's kind of branded as a heretic and and then yeah the implementation of the brutes there is like the enemy that the humans and covenant need to unite against that was interesting um but gameplay wise i don't really i can't remember how formidable the brutes are relative to each other two that were kind of like they they always like charged at you that was sick that was the thing that they did a lot um they didn't they weren't as flashed out i don't think and reached the elites sort of took center stage again um and i remember the brutes being as much of a thing and reach in terms of their role on the bottom maybe i'm maybe i'm gonna bring maybe because there were no you didn't um let me see i think you got a bit of uh yeah because they were in some levels not others um yeah but i i don't know i i'm operating a lot from memory but i'm gonna like them both they're so i didn't i do prefer elites to brutes i think i do too all right i like them both they have their role you know elites do their thing brutes have their thing and do you have any hopes for the halo tv series being good nope well yeah i'm not i'm not uh that's kind of cool we needed more than just that dumb teaser hello master chief boom halo okay yeah i mean i do relatively cynical especially surrounding everything else we've got these days i want to look into who's writing and directing i guess well Spielberg is producing all right that could be cool but uh have any of you put sorry now it's my thing was done anywhere go ahead it's up to you because we're gonna move on so it's uh if you want to say i was just gonna say if they don't have steve downs doing the voice i feel like that's gonna um i don't think they do yeah i don't know yeah um that's the point i don't i don't see the point uh have any of you guys played little big planet karting one of my favorite games also high rags uh not if that's a specific game no but i really liked little big planet broadly yeah a little big planet's cool never played a karting thing for that no i think the karting one was considered really great because you could there was a lot of options for customizing and making courses but never played it um anyone get a thrown fusion coil kill it's fun lol i don't think i've got one i've thrown one at vehicles and had good results um but i don't know if i've had like a like on a person i don't think i've done that not yet i haven't done it yet but uh i like that you can do that it's cool it is it's been confirmed that the villains in no way home are alt versions from the ot og films uh so doesn't that mean that any contradictions from spider-man to know at home don't apply maybe not like that that's something that you could argue yeah maybe not maybe not if that's what they tell us the case is there's not much you can do in terms of claiming contradiction but people like high top if dark awkward evil throughout the whole film would say like this is disrespectful or something like that he wouldn't have a good argument to make other than appealing to like he doesn't want to see his arc that way something out of that i can make up whatever they want if something worked in the original films that works in this one they'll just go with that but if they need to change it then they can just call it up i think they are experienced or whatever almost cynically know that we want to see arc doing good guy things oh yeah that's what the fans want give them that i'll say high tops gonna fucking love this movie i never thought about it the nano bots like getting it as inhibitor chip that's interesting like if that's possible yeah as a legion um boop boop meme fap when uh well i'm hoping actually we can get a recording for that done if we don't turn up on wednesday for live stream that'll be because we're recording a meme fap there you go uh thoughts on ghost buses afterlife not seen it yet i have not seen it i do want to see it but i don't know if i'm gonna go to the theater for it yeah i mean if you watch it at home let me know um i don't have too much of an interest in it but i'm a little curious mm-hmm all i've heard is that it's um it's better than the 2016 one just like uh-huh high bar we did it yeah and that the film is very aware of like ignoring the 2016 one which is like yep let's put it for the best um which faction weapons would you change in halo infinite first i think the covenant needs more guns and buffs also vehicles need increased drop rates i don't know about vehicles um but yeah the covenant weapons just don't feel like they have a place there's no role for them whereas they they had important they might not be your go-to guns and multiplayer at least but they they had a point they they did something they they had a role that they could feel like they had a you know had a place i'm not getting enough power weapons like i haven't encountered the sniper rifle or the rocket launcher ever in matchmaking yet i don't know if i'm just not yeah i don't know what the i've come across the um what's the gun called with like the spear thing uh i've come across that like a million times yeah i've encountered that it depends on the map and the mode what are the power weapons all right but yeah i agree covenant weapons need help in some way do something with them i don't know i can't imagine an army of aliens running around with those things yeah and i remember these are meant to be the ones that the covenant couldn't stop the banished it's like yeah all right um hey guys thoughts on a main character suffering perpetual physical and psychological damage in order to achieve their goal which is pushing herself uh slash her friendships to the brink i'm really not 100 sure on what you're describing their perpetual physical and psychological damage in order to achieve the goal of bringing herself slash her friends to the brink i that's not enough for me to work with i need yeah depends on the goal depends on the extent of the damage i'm curious how you contextualize physical and psychological perpetual damage is it happening to her or is she doing it to someone else i think it's happening to her they go on to say most feedback consider her to ego egoistic and selfish to work as a main character um i'm not quite following the um the scenario yeah in my hand i think a main character should be put through the ringer on whatever their journey is sure but yeah i don't know if they're suffering being irreparably damaged the suffering perpetual damage to bring friendships to the brink i just don't know what that means exactly if the story is about that sort of thing then maybe i don't know um yeah i'm sorry i can't really give a better answer right because i just don't understand exactly what's happening uh you'll get your high when you tell us what's in your damn goo also high rags hey so i'm just losing all of the coins right now that's not good you know my artistic friend gave adiatu trashed here on his tier list of rock star games explicitly because of the treatment of john and archaic controls i'm sad i mean i john i didn't even know you were in the game man um yeah either today i got to the fucking star but it took all my coins along the way this system is rigged um but yeah i just i don't know the freeing zone person that could really comment on that what was the question again sorry now some artist my autist friend gave adiatu trashed here on his tier list because of the treatment of john and the archaic controls um the controls are not great like that that is the biggest issue for that game that's for treating john right i don't know what that he's he's he's basically a different person because it's 12 years ahead of uh one in one he's definitely more sure i think that's he's like the center of that story like i don't know what they mean exactly if like the other characters just treat them poorly like out of character i don't think anybody's really out of character in that game it feels like um yeah i think it's a really well done story i mean i think i think it's pretty fantastic it's a great western story yeah it's like like even out of like all the western movies that have been made it's it's really fucking good but uh the controls i agree i don't know what rock stars deal is i should not be having to tap x to run like we got to stop that and and like the uh yeah i the controls are weak in that game that they are weak and dated you know those luggage controls have been an issue ever since gta 4 with their euphoria engine yeah because by 4 it's like all right you need to start changing this all right i can accept this on ps2 days but yeah uh but as someone's mentioned in chat like john is the focus of the epilogue and the epilogue is long it's it's very long it's uh it's longer than you would expect an epilogue to be it's like several hours really good though yeah no play it till the end great ending um can't wait to pay $15 for marvel skin packs and finally see avengers endgame with cap CGI'd into a luke skywalker costume high rags hello that sounds incredible i would just pay everything for that that's just it makes the movie better great now you massive maybe imagine chief doing the floss while we had to pay to stop cringing you give it time also free i checked my calendar today many months have passed and australia still doesn't exist that's you think it would have shown up by now just saying think it would have been a while you have to admit all these people looking you think that it would make a line line is just another form of truth and no alliance like a weird tree yeah rags gets it curious what you guys think of the show firefly if any of you have seen it cheers nah i didn't see that one i like it a whole bunch i plan to make bringing in ranks watching some days or sort of yeah a look everyone i know who's seen it talks about it really highly yeah one of those shows we like firefly got cancelled batwoman's got season three season three yeah there is no god you would never allow this uh curious what you oh yeah uh get legal bites on maybe talk about the last of us to uh i'm so far out of last of us to discussion now you know like memories already is so faded on that game i'd have to replay it at that point but um yeah we struggled with like law youtubers just because i feel like we've really got to get a specific topic for that to work the um it was unfortunate we didn't bring in on any law people for me to the legal eagle video you know that'd been perfect i just i didn't think about it at that point but um maybe some more cringy legal legal videos that could work out what did he say again um but the captain model was basically in the right and she would win the case because uh do what he did to the map would constitute assault but the problem is he'd never be able to prove that because she's a fucking superhero and she has no fear of danger whatsoever you like argued it as though she was like an incredibly weak and frail woman stole his wife she did a lot uh he didn't even address that part if you remember he only talked about uh how she was like justified that's pretty funny to think about isn't it he basically said because he touched that map she was in the right to be like break his hand it's all just and also you're like you cannot be harmed by this guy yeah i feel like there's a step before crushing the hand maybe yeah you know swatting it away um recite each of your national anthems don't worry since i actually do want you guys to do this i will allow a short version except for mutil no you guys are welcome to do it if you want to though i'm getting silenced i'm afraid all right that's the best i could do that's what we got as a response two words elden ring boy yeah it's on the way hmm solid question after all there is an only fans account out there that sells homemade gummy bears that is made out of the girls p are delicious you saw i was like oh gummy bears that's cool for a second there i was like oh that's an interesting idea to start your enterprise through only fans but it's not lewd at all and then i was like no no so um i guess i'm wondering does she like change your diet to make the colors change or something like that probably dies them i don't know i i don't feel that's that's probably not the case they still want i feel like this person would go all the way with the concept you have a lot of firsthand experience with piss gummy bears i feel like we've already led that he does i feel like i have none because you don't have to that's the thing you don't have to have any experience with gummy bears to know that someone this crazy someone this madman would be dedicated to the cross dedicated absolutely total dedication to the craft i need to make red gummy bears uh oh boy oh no you know what total dedication to the craft what yellow that's easy i like yellow that's really easy you can get clear ones if you just drink nothing the water anyway ask about the green ones gamer grow bathwater to wash them down i feel like you can help the only fans people also only fans isn't just for porn i mean surely it's vast majority is born yeah i feel like most of it is um dude meet women molbo baggins 2021 i mean give it a shot say a little sheila in accounting she's cute microtransactions guy is an addiction problem um could be yeah could be that's the problem right could be uh please give ten dollars to rags for squatting industry very well oh that one was worth yeah that that puns worth the tenor you bet that was a good one kyle's a free man praise the dawn and fjb jb what is fjb's time biden all right oh yeah yeah uh slither is awesome previous chatter is asylum escapee oh my goodness oh when you guys fight in the superchats fight fight fight uh while qa finds minor bugs they are meant to find critical bugs like crashing consoles or crashing your opponent's game if you dc during multiplayer not gameplay bugs source former sony qa tester so what happened with no man's sky was it literally like they found them all they were like we've got to get it out we got no choice because that game was crashing for fucking everybody on launch day if you guys remember yeah i think they knew and they had no fucking they'd already delayed too much and so just like just released it dude imagine the stress of that being the dev team knowing what you've put out and just just waiting i wonder if that's how they felt at cd project red i'd have to imagine yeah it's like oh my god we know this doesn't work but it's like we don't want to ask for more time again let's just put it out and then will the game into working and maybe it'll be fine that'll work um but yeah no i i can understand that i just uh it's it's awful this stuff happens it sucks that we're just not in a world we can say look guys it's a fucking mess so instead of us releasing it and then eventually taking it off stores and giving refunds we're just gonna delay it uh finally next efap 166 plinket pr reviews hello oh again close from closer to that one right we're on 165 right now we're on 161 so um oh people expect some stowels related because of 66 i hate you people Miyazaki didn't exactly say that he hated anime he just frustrated with the most anime and manga today written by authors who write characters that don't resemble real people but characters of tropes oh my god this guy's a legend well welcome Miyazaki man what a what a chat didn't he have the thing where he's like dude don't you don't need to draw like all the girls with massive eyes i think that's that was him right i don't know but i like him already yeah let me see Miyazaki anime eyes um uh uh maybe it wasn't him maybe it was someone else but i remember seeing a clip where it's basically a guy saying you know like you could do different faces and and it will look different and you can do different things and that's cool he doesn't all need to be uh you know the big eyes but i don't know if that was him just big tits that's all you need you know did it big big ol anime titties mm-hmm uh rlm should remake their rogue one skit but with no way home when it comes out that could they even get a list of all of the things that are mentioned and referenced let's just hopefully do it with some level of meaning instead of it literally just being oh look over there it's this oh look over there it's that please i beg you uh fringy and rest who would you cast charles dance as in the mcu i think you would be an interesting victor von doom yeah i mean that feels like a really good choice yeah um you would have made a cool keng oh yeah that's probably true instead of this dude they found on the street somewhere i don't know the fuck um uh yeah those are both those are both pretty good options um maybe a what do you think about what do you think about a kingpin kind of character um i guess people like to see kingpin yeah because kingpin's typically a chong best yeah he's typically is very imposing into wide and tall right yeah he's a he's a big guy uh you don't want to get into a fight with him general thing um i was thinking like i guess he could be the voice of galactus right galactus yeah green goblin even if he was just a yeah even if he was a mocap guy this idea that he doesn't necessarily have to be this big super huge burly dude it could be a more in charles dance though he's in good shape charles dance is in good shape um so yeah this the idea we don't have to go completely you know go all the way with it it could be something a bit more reserved and it's the way he speaks and how he acts that makes us afraid of him potentially the power he's capable of and not just his physical presence be very curious when they finally get around to galactus if they have the bowls to give him his helmet i wonder yeah but let's see it's a funny helmet if it's taiko it's it's who's making the project he probably would he probably that helmet um hi everyone mostly heard good things about spider verse but thought if it had a uh thought it had a bundle of issues or a bunch of issues to name a few spider man publicly marrying mj how incompetently disposed peter's body gwen's e-fap spider oracle spider sense fuck i can't does she have like like visions or something i can't remember what her powers were i can't remember that but um gwen stacey oh i think it was because she she got the sense that she needed to go to uh visions academy that's right meet up with uh as for spider man publicly marrying mj i can't even remember that if it was in the flashbacks if it's supposed to be taken literally or was it was actually public because that's probably a mistake yeah all right attack then how incompetently they disposed of peter's body i genuinely can't remember telling her to enroll into school instead of going to peter who was alive at the time the spiders sort of did when they arrived uh gwen getting enrolled gwen being at the lab kp shooting uncle instead of miles for reasons oh kingpin shot the uncle instead of miles i like fuck i honestly have a better angle on i'd have to rewatch it to be able to because i can't remember if there was also additional reasoning why he would have gone for the uncle instead i really can't remember i'd have to give it a rewatch but fair enough oh i there's this picture uh someone posted a picture of galactus without the helmet i think it's pretty interesting you shouldn't insult a man who is dealing with a lot okay are those his ears um um tumors who knows what they are generally better maybe it's better we don't ask or outraged arms like oh uh what was i electro evolution how about that electrocution is this are we doing bonus lyrics because i don't see how they they wouldn't put that in they think that's genius any of you listen to music from nia automata i bought the orchestral version from itunes please do the same it's the most damn beautiful thing i've ever heard uh i haven't listened to it no i i've not played the game yet i can believe either it's a good soundtrack though but i don't have any um opinions on the gta debacle also high rags hello embarrassing nightmare it is embarrassing and they knew what they were doing i'm not sure that they they intended for any of this to go this way exactly but uh it's very bad you know the the botched definitive editions one thing but then removing all the classic editions and forcing you to get the botched definitive edition if you want to play them was so stupid and yeah because there's a twitter post where they've come out saying they're gonna fix it up and you can get the originals now again which is just like hey how about you just leave the originals to be bought forever whether or not yeah why'd you fucking remove them in the first i hate that shit so much it's so annoying why don't you just focus on make the making the definitive edition good so people want to get it as opposed to like forcing them to get it crazy idea the originals unavailable you are nuts they'd never hire you you're ruining everything uh could the grown man that plays with toys and films it please laugh for me i just find john's laugh so endearing that's totally all i don't know what that was weird i don't know what came over me that wasn't be bad rdr2 controls are much better in first person maybe they are yeah i didn't play much the first person mode sorry what was the question again i just said rdr2's controls are better in first person apparently oh right um i feel that they would be just a sluggish i mean if it's the same engine and everything i don't know i will only be invested in a halo tv series if they use the chief voice from rb and the chief constantly mocking everyone and sucking at everything it'll be great great idea um jesus your fans on discord were terrible they unironically tried to defend why filler episodes are good and i could not for the life of me convince them otherwise i mean i could make that argument pretty easily it depends on how you define filler yeah you you're not fine today are sanctuary here yeah we're not gonna so typically filler is just considered something that doesn't push the overall plot along and it's like yeah that can be good of course it can be good good it sure could anything that's not the premiere or the finale of a season as a filler ever um there's a lot of like for example just you know you've got your main characters and the main plot line is them defeating some blah blah blah but you know for one episode a wizard casts a spell on them and locks them inside a room with you know a box a puzzle to be solved and the whole episode is just listening to them try and figure this out and by the end they get out and you could literally skip the episode and it wouldn't change the season i don't know that we should be like well that's bad because it's not moving the plot along it could be achieving something else in terms of character because i guess i just described bottle episodes right most of them are filler like by this definition this thing i don't like the word filler a lot sometimes some like wait does that mean like it's worthless by definition and at that point there's no point in the conversation so you can make an episode of something that has some interesting character growth but that growth might not be relevant to the overarching plot of the season therefore does that make it filler like i don't know yeah like it reminds me of the writing advice hey look if it doesn't advance the plot get rid of it so like you could advance other things advance character like this could be broad right oh and it's the one just super chat midnight is filler and it's phenomenal that's my favorite episode of doctor who and yes it's arguably filler so that's the one i showed you rags on the train that was a really cool episode i really enjoyed watching that so yeah i don't know it is the answer this question will be really easy once you tell me what your definition of filler is we'll be able to sort it right out because if baked into the definition it is like a valueless piece of the content i should be like oh well sure but then it would the complaint would be when something is valueless not when it's filler and i sort like your fans on discord were terrible i just feel like i mean how many people had this argument i doubt everyone on the discord felt this way especially with the word filler i'm pretty sure i've had arguments with people on the discord about filler episodes so i don't know where did like you're responsible for by fans they mean one guy they argued with it could be there this i disagree with so many people on that discord the idea is like any kind of hive minds like i don't think so um well i gotta get drunk and i sure do dread it because i know just what i'm gonna do i'm already drunk and i and it just ends what a mystery um in the new cowboy bebop show there's a line from the character there's a line from the character jet of him saying that's black male to another character to which she says you're right jet you are black and male what oh my god really um i just finished watching episode two of the original that was cool watch the netflix new vision don't bother with the original i watched the netflix old the no because no that is the old version no the new one's bigger and better and what are you doing yeah the cartoon's old and smelly yeah smells weird do you are you watching it in non-english as well i am watching it no watch the new one it's in you can listen to it with your native ears instead of your crazy subtitle thing can you believe some people read when trying to watch a tv show it's fucking embarrassing it's pretty embarrassing they need to grow the hell up like fringy how do you even see what's happening when you're reading the the words all the way at the bottom of the screen that's impossible like really to look down on nice excited yeah i just find it unbelievable thank goodness they remade it and i'm hearing nothing but good things about the cowboy netflix out of rave reviews yeah everyone's going nuts over how incredible it is i've not been told to stay the fuck away from it no it's funny everybody's making fun of it i've not seen anybody say it's good no nobody's happy this will happen to train to new york by the way yes it will i feel kind of bad for the film in a sense yeah they're remaking train to boost on american vision and it's gonna be so bad for fuck's sake really it'll be terrible oh my god it'll probably be over hated but i like at the same time oh i hate that let's be a bait um god i'm just i can hear all the new yorkers in my head now we're walking here oh my god it's a zombie quit chewing on me i'm trying to try to ride the train damn tourists do you remember your earliest internet browsing days what sites did you go on are they still around ebombsworld.com new grounds new grounds yeah um congregate i remember that website i think so yeah yeah uh yeah there's like a lot of flash games websites and uh and then this clip there was some other ones that uh freds would take you to just to see you react to them yeah mini clips stick death new grounds yeah i remember stick death um ytmnd legendarily asked questions good times i don't know how many of them are even around anymore i have not no clue no clue lemon party tub girl no no meat spin oh boy the chat knows what's up spin the meat yes they do you spin me right from baby right from that dude the internet was just a different time back then it was literally like if you click this you'll end up looking at this this this this and it's just there and you're like that's that's that that is absolutely that because like lively got taken down a couple months ago right oh did it i didn't know yeah they said they i think they said they basically gave up they fought a bazillion different things forever and they just couldn't do it anymore oh lively because one of the most scariest and edgiest places on the internet like anything because because of its graphic content yeah lively because people would die on a war footage to just everything was on lively yeah but i figure if it's if those are like privately owned servers they can have whatever they want on there or i don't know i can't remember what it is that got them taken down eventually but there was a post from the creator saying something like that um illegal material i guess do sigh there's already aim bots in halo infinite really so shame i've heard some pretty gnarly things about the aim assist so oh yeah the aim assist on console is significant and there's cross play so that's yeah that's a that's a problem in apex is the in apex you get a if with um you basically get 40 to 60 percent auto-aim with a controller so it's pretty if like the legitimate strategies revolve around don't get too close to them or else they'll get their auto-aim and luckily bangalore smokes will nullify auto-aim for their aim assist for characters which is helpful for me because you see what play the most and i know that saved my bacon a number of times just being able to nullify the fact that the other person is gonna have so much aim assist doing the work for them that you know it's gonna make it you know easier for you yeah i don't like playing against it people who just use it it's definitely been a huge balance concern definitely is probably the biggest issue with that game i'd say in terms of gameplay is the fact that you know aim assist is pretty it's up there yeah and people have all these tricked out fucking fucked up controllers with extra buttons so they never have to take their thumbs off the sticks and they have every you mean the mega chance living life to the fullest i just can't play a game like that i just can't play a game where like the the game's like oh we're gonna help you aim we're just gonna you're just gonna give you a quite a bit you know we're just gonna aim for you a bit really you got close enough we're gonna give you the same i'm like why watch cowboy bebop sub the dub is actually one of the best dubs in anime so i don't mean i want a uh uh dub and fuck that i so the only time i'm ever gonna do that is if for some reason they ended up with a really really bad original dub with the actors intended and then the an english dub somehow managed to have the superior one i've never heard of that but if i came across one that had that as a reputation i'd do it but i've had way too many bad experiences checking out the original after the dub being like oh fuck i shouldn't have watched this with a stupid english dub i agree i i don't do dubs i can't believe it squid games like level of popularity and the dub is so horrendous yeah that was pretty rough i listened to a little bit of it i've just seen loads of clips and every time i was like oh my god stop it i'm sorry i meant to say hi rags not just i'm already drunk and i and that completes the super chats oh boy just in time because i am uh hungry we're at around nine hours and uh we cross that that finish line the only update to give people is that uh we can't we'll be doing among a wendy stream though if we end up deciding to record a meme fab it'll probably take the position of that stream so um okay right you'll get if the stream shows up you got that if it doesn't then that's what's being recorded gentle chat uh by fringy and john oh that's nice oh thanks man um yeah that was uh fun time thank you so much for joining us john for the for the main house no problem thank you that was a lot of fun therapeutic too i got a lot off my chest got to talk about all kinds of stuff i just thought even though yes we got to play that campaign yep and figure out what's going on with halo it'll be fun for me because i'll have barely any context for halo as a whole while fringy will be like can you believe they fucked up the flimflam of ging gork and i'll be like oh no but yeah anything else you guys want to say before we run off um no not really i think we've said enough we've done our damage we'll be back for another day well at that point then thank you so much for hanging out with us folks thank you for for the donations and just the contributions to the conversation we will see you next time and a good night thank you everybody see you later chat have a good night guys