 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Suri Suri and say la Suri Suri, it's because I think the thing is I've never thought of the French are as something difficult. No, because you've been sick in all your life. Yeah, no, but I mean, even when I, when I consider, even when I consider, you know, other languages and stuff that are difficult, and even in French, I know that there are some words, some letters, some things that are difficult, but the R for some reason, it never really seemed like, you know, occurred to me that I don't think it's necessarily hard. It's just different. It's difficult to get your mouth to say that when you're thinking are right. Like every time you're like, oh, the right way, it would be like someone saying that instead of that, you know, like, they know how to do it. It's just, it just doesn't feel natural because the R the French are is just a kind of a right. Well, like if my name in French is like, so yeah, so it's like it's a completely different name. Well, in Spanish, you roll the R's. That's a whole different take. Nobody does the R's the same. Right. We need standardization. Right. We're standardization. We're standardization. You know, we should really have one language that would make things so much easier. That's the big announcement today that we've been leading up to all future episodes of Daily Tech News Show will be in Esperanto. That was a failure. Finally, we can all, what do you mean? Don't give up on it yet, Patrick. It's Esperanto. It was a good, super, super failure. Tell that to Esperanto fanatics out there. I don't think there are any left. Are there still people who, if they're out there, we'll hear from them. Okay. I want to see Esperanto meetup searching for that. It just felt like it was something that was discussed in the 80s or 90s, and that we didn't, I didn't hear about it all that much since. I want there to be Esperanto ethnic food, which is just the average of all food. No, that's not how it should work. We should have the best of everything. Esperanto aisle. We can't talk to you about Esperanto food if I'm not going to go get Esperanto food ready for the show. It just makes you so hungry to go to that Esperanto restaurant. According to Wikipedia, there's an estimated 2 million level 2 second language. C. Oh, a million. C. That's not even a drop. That's less than a drop of a 7 billion. We should probably do this show. Oh, okay. In English then. In English. Okay. Do you mind reading the first line, please? Not at all. All right. Here we go. Three, two. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, November 14th, 2017 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Arrett. And from Studio Fieldline at the beach, I'm Sarah Lane. And from the Helsinki offices, I'm Patrick Bejo. And with us, of course, is our producer, Roger Chang, deep below northern Los Angeles. I don't know where I was going with that. Hi, Roger. Hello. I wanted to make it sound like you were at a Batcave or something, but I wish I just fell apart. We are going to talk about why EA has the most downvoted comment ever on Reddit. And the answer is not just because people are angry, although that's part of it. We're going to talk about why they're angry. Let's start, however, with a few tech things you should know. Google is introducing support for the broadcast feature to Google Home users. That's the one that lets you broadcast a message over all your Google Home devices using it like an intercom. Something the Amazon Echo can also do. Broadcast is rolling out this week in English, in the UK, Australia, Canada, and the United States. Guys, we have a death to announce, death of sorts, anyway. Verizon's Oath, which is the combined AOL Yahoo company that put together earlier this year, announced that the last messages of CompuServe forums will be shut down December 15th. CompuServe was launched in the 1980s and acquired by AOL back in, remember, 1998. To CompuServe. Pour a little out. Pour out a little kombucha. Yeah. Pour out a little whatever they drank in 1998. It wasn't kombucha. According to an adage report that Amazon was considering launching a free ad-supported version of Amazon Prime Video, an Amazon spokesperson told the Verge, we have no plans to create a free ad-supported version of Prime Video. Wait, let's parse this. What do you think he means? How do we put together a non-negative statement in a way that's very vague? That means they've already launched it. That means we're doing it now. Yeah. So there you go. No plans. That's not going to happen. Sorry, folks. Let's move on into the rest of the top stories. Firefox 57 and I are in love. Oh, Tom, I'm so happy to hear that. I call it Quantums. That's my little pet name for it. Firefox 57, a.k.a. Firefox Quantum is out for all users Tuesday, features the Slick Minimalist Proton UI, a new CSS engine written in Rust that works in parallel across cores for faster browsing, and Google also replaces Yahoo as the default search engine. Mozilla says it should be about twice as fast as Firefox was a year ago. Now we all have varying experiences on this, depending on what machines we're using, but I definitely found it snappier, faster, and easier to use. Well, earlier today, Tom, you were the one who was like, this is a good browser. And it's funny because I've been having so much trouble with Chrome lately and particularly because I use so many files within Google Drive and various Gmail accounts. It was like, you know, if anything Chrome should be good at, it's that stuff and it's been really sluggish and the new Firefox Quantum was pretty snappy, I have to say. I wanted to say that I'm using Quantum right now to stream the show, except Hangouts requires a plugin in Firefox that Firefox no longer supports. So all is not roses there. But I am reading my doc in Firefox 57 right now. Patrick, are you going to get on this train? I'm, you know, I'm very happy with Chrome. I don't think it's become sluggish. And the integration with Google Services is certainly appreciated. But I will give it a try. I mean, I'm certainly old enough to remember the browser wars and the fact that competition gave us better browsers. So I'm willing to to give it a chance, but I don't think I'm going to switch just because of convenience. You don't need to settle, Patrick. You know, it's the sunk cost fallacy. Chrome, I'll try it. I'll try it. You know, Chrome was such a great browser for me for so long. And even, you know, a few years ago, people would sort of complain, ah, it's a memory hog. And I'd be like, no, I don't really have that experience. Yeah. But I really have over the last, I would say three to four months. So I think the thing that helps me is that I rarely have more than a handful of tabs open. And I'm not one of those people that leaves, you know, 30 tabs open and that forgets about them for four days. So I think that might be why. Yeah, I only have 16 tabs open minimum at a time. Also, somebody in our Slack said a lot of their extensions were not working in Firefox 57. So depending on what extensions you use, that may or may not be an issue. Well, I have some good news for anybody following the VR game. HTC announced its standalone VR headset called the Vive Focus runs on a Snapdragon 835 processor uses inside out positional tracking to offer six degrees of movement. The company didn't announce screen resolution or price or release date, though it did say it would launch first in China. HTC has also canceled plans to bring a standalone Google Daydream based headset to the US. That's a big news for a couple of reasons. One is because HTC coming with a standalone headset is sort of leading the pack. Facebook has announced it for Oculus. Of course, that could all turn if HTC doesn't end up releasing this in a timely fashion. But I think even bigger news is that they're pulling out of that Daydream project and focusing on China for the release of this. That's that's a big shift in market focus. So I didn't get this, but is it do we know if it's going to be compatible with Vive applications, with the regular Vive applications in games? One would have to assume that. Yeah, I mean, it would you'd have to like put out a whole other release explaining why it didn't do that if it didn't. Right. But the I guess the thing is Vive is the Vive is famously associated with Valve and Steam and games. And that will be really interesting to see how well it performs with those applications, which I'm guessing it's not designed for. And they will say this is not for high, you know, computing intensive applications, which game usually or often fall into. But still, it would be interesting to see how it how well it works with them. I would not guess that every Vive compatible game will work with the Vive focus just because it's a different setup. But but that will be that's an interesting question to see how they handle it. Following the claims of spoofing Face ID with a mask by security security firm Kava, Wired reports several people have reported children being able to unlock their parents' phone using Face ID. Attaullah Malik and Sena Sherawani discovered that their son, Ammar, could unlock his his mom's phone and not his phone's mom. His mother re-registered her face in different lighting conditions. And Ammar could no longer unlock it. And then she re-registered it in different in the original lighting conditions, and he could unlock them again. So it's there. There are some things happening there. Yeah, it sounds it sounds like one of the things with Face ID is you're going to want to guard the face and get it trained over time. Because what happened with her is in a particular lighting, the signals that it used for her were close enough to her son that her son could unlock it, and it would start to learn if that was successful that, oh, and that's what that's what she looks like sometimes, right? And the AI will start to merge those. That happened with a couple of brothers they mentioned in this wired article as well, where they think that maybe what happened was the brothers kept switching off, unlocking it. And the phone started to merge the picture of the two brothers, even though they were quite a bit far apart in age, and it would work with both of them over time. They were close enough at the beginning that it just created a merged picture. So these are these are interesting permutations on on how this works. And it's also the one that was unlocked with a mask. They seem to indicate that the system focuses on some portions, some parts of the of the face, maybe the eyes, the nose, the mouth. So the fact that the son had a smaller face and maybe didn't really look all that much like his mom overall, the fact that some parts of the face might be resemble hers might be a factor here. And and also, you know, Apple did say Touch ID worked, you know, it might be fooled one once every 50,000 people and face ID should be much safer because it's one in a million. But still, over the entire planet, it might happen that once in a million, the system is, you know, just makes a mistake. And it might be what we're seeing here. Certainly, we need to learn more about this, but it does seem like for most people, it's still not going to be the most, you know, it's not like everyone should worry that their child will unlock their face. Although, you know, when when the, you know, a couple of stories first came out where it was like, hey, if you're identical twins, face ID might get nervous and confused. You know, I sort of chuckled like, OK, who's that really going to apply to? But if you think of, you know, some kids really do look a lot like their parents. And if, you know, a kid is trying to get into their parents' phone to buy a bunch of stuff or, you know, other things that kids like doing, I can see where this could be a little bit more problematic than just, you know, sort of a novel error here and there. Yes, because the accidental unlock in a fingerprint is someone whose fingerprint just happens to be close to yours, which isn't usually genetically related. You don't have similar fingerprints to your mother, but your face definitely is genetically linked to your mother or your father. Right. So. Yes. So it's like if it's one in a million for a random person, but one in one thousand for for related people or children and parents, one in one thousand is going to happen a lot. That becomes all of a sudden more of a problem. So at the American Heart Association meetings in Anaheim, the University of California, San Francisco and Health Startup Cardiogram released details of a study showing that Apple Watch data, although they say we use the Apple Watch in this in the study, this is the same kind of heart rate monitoring data you could get from other wearables as well. Anyway, watch data could be used to detect sleep apnea with 90 percent accuracy and hypertension, high blood pressure with 82 percent accuracy. The study used data from more than 6,000 Apple Watch users, enrolled in a study on mobile health, a deep learning algorithm called Deep Heart was trained on data from 70 percent of the participants and then tested on the remaining 30 percent. So they they helped it get used to what hypertension or sleep apnea looked like in 70 percent of the study's participants. And then we're able to do a pretty good prediction on the rest of them. This it feels like it's something fairly impactful. For Apple's business or for any such device's business. But of course, Apple is at the center of this. If they manage to get this integrated somehow with an opt-in, with the right authorization and everything integrated into their watch product, all of a sudden the watch becomes not just use it for this or that, but just keep it on you just in case. And it will tell you in those instances if something is wrong. And I think that's a compelling argument to to have it on. Yeah, I actually when I went to the doctor last week, as I was wrapping up my appointment, I was like, hey, I don't know if this makes any difference to you, but I got this Apple Watch now. I mean, is that anything that you could look at? Kind of half expecting her to say, you know, that's great. It'll help you motivate you for your health and just sort of, you know, pass it along. She was like, oh, yeah, let me look as like pulled up my activity is looking through my report. She's like, OK, so you you really do have 30 minutes of activity. Like, you know, let me see your heart rate. It's like she was way into it. So I think that's pretty cool. I mean, it's this is this is just an Apple Watch being able to say, you probably have sleep apnea. You might want to check it out. There's a 90 percent chance you have sleep apnea. Yeah, right. It's like, I could tell you that if I lay next to you, I know what it sounds like. Well, maybe, you know, not all of us are lucky enough, right? Certainly, certainly not. Hey, you guys want to talk about some some new rumors for iPhones for next year since the new iPhones for this year just came out. No, it's about time. OK, so it's still Bloomberg that Apple is readying a rear facing 3D sensor system for the iPhone for the 2019 models, which would be different than the true depth sensor system on the front of the iPhone 10, which currently relies on a structured light technique that projects a pattern of 30,000 laser dots onto a user's face and then measures the distortion to create an accurate 3D image. Just talked about that. This would not be that, though, it would be a time of flight approach that calculates the time it takes for a laser to bounce off surrounding objects to create a three dimensional picture of the environment. Yeah, so the AR kit is really good at flat surfaces, you know, I can I could pop that tiger down in the middle of my living room and boy, it looks like there's a tiger in the middle of my living room or on my coffee table. So as I try to put it on the on the wall, though, first of all, the tiger is like, I don't belong in a wall. That's gravitationally incorrect. But no, anything like they try to put on vertical services just doesn't work as well. So I assume that using time of flight, which is able to more accurately map a room, would help with that. Hmm. And they're working on that AR headset as well. So yeah, maybe that would be helpful there, too. Yeah, so you can map your room and then go into it in your headset and be like, whoa, I'm virtually in the room I'm in. Well, I. Yes, that would be awesome. But also I'm guessing they would put that sensor on the headset itself so it can map stuff and put stuff on the stuff. Probably makes more sense. I'm just I'm just excited for everyone to get over an emojis. Because that's a thing, you know, I get a lot of things. And every time someone sends it to me, it's like, this is going to be so funny. And I'm like, it's a thing for people. Every time they get their new iPhone 10. Oh, so people are still getting their iPhone 10. So you're still getting it. That's right. Right of passage. Right of passage. You'll be getting an emojis later today to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes. Be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech headlines dot com. You can get it as a podcast on the Amazon Echo or in the anchor app as well as from Google Home. And that's a look at the top stories. Star Wars Battlefront 2 from EA had some downloadable content you could unlock with in-game credits that you could either accumulate by playing the game, which is what it's meant to be done, or by a somewhat tortured route of buying crystals that allow you to buy loot boxes, which have star cards that when you have a duplicate of them, you can turn those into credits. So through a little bit of a convoluted process, you could sort of buy credits and buy these things. People didn't like that to the point that an EA post about it on Reddit became the most downvoted comment in Reddit history. Patrick, why everybody's so mad? This is a very complicated issue, but I'll try to boil it down to its essential parts. The first one is, you know, gamers can be a rowdy bunch and the internet is also happy to complain about stuff. So when there is something that is worthy of complaints, certainly people get excited. The issue comes first and foremost from the mechanic or the business model of loot boxes, which have been very prevalent in mobile games for a long time. And real gamer, I'm using air quotes here, basically console and PC gamers are very wary of seeing that business model become a general, become used more widely on console games. So this is not just an EA thing. People are mad about loot boxes already. Right. This is the core of the problem, loot boxes. And the reason is, you know, there is an element of randomness, the fact that you cannot actually go in and purchase the item you want. You have to buy a lot of loot boxes and then hope that you get the thing or then convert convert them into credits and then buy the thing. But it might take a lot more money, actually, than if you could purchase the item for five bucks, then you might have to spend, you know, 15 or 20 bucks in loot boxes to get that item. The other issue is that in that game specifically in many games, but the loot boxes give you gameplay advantages. So loot boxes that give you items that allow you to dress up your character don't affect the actual skill you have to put into the game. And so that is more accepted than things that change the way you play. So, for example, it will allow you to aim more precisely or things like that. And that is something gamers really don't like because it becomes pay to win kind of. So in Battlefront, I could spend a lot of time playing to earn that more powerful lightsaber, but then Joe Schmoe down the street just paid $50 in loot boxes and got one without having to grind. But isn't that like such a, like, standard part of gaming these days? It isn't. That's that's the surprising thing in mobile. Or like a mobile game thing, because all the mobile games that I play, you know, I'm I'm always incentivized to, like, buy little packages to make myself better at playing the game. And that is part of the reason why people are so wary about it. Mobile games have been making so much money that we kind of know that there's a real danger of seeing this happen in console and PC games. And people have been fearing the moment that it would happen. And a lot of developers have been playing with this idea and implementing some forms of loot boxes, especially on the Activision Blizzard side, where the loot boxes have been more acceptable usually because either the game was free to play to begin with or it was more cosmetic items that you could get that wouldn't affect the gameplay. The cardinal sin of Star Wars Battlefront 2 is that not only is there are three things basically you pay for the game initially full price. The loot boxes affect the gameplay and not just cosmetic items and it's a multiplayer game. So not only are you are you going to get better to get through the solo campaign, but also you're going to get better when you play against other people. And the last part of it is truly even I, when I try to be a little bit reserved, find it a little bit outrageous. There were special characters that you can play at some points of the matches. And the most powerful ones are Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker, of course. And the prices in credits for those characters were incredibly high to the point that one person who made the calculations for the amount of time you would have to play to be able to purchase them with the credits in game currency would probably be around 40 hours, 40 hours of game time to be able to purchase one special character. And maybe some people don't know much about games, but this is a really long time for a game that you've paid full price. So yesterday, the game is not out yet, even it's coming out in a couple of days. Yesterday, seeing the outrage because people have had early access to the game, seeing the outrage. EA went in and cut down the prices of those characters by 75 percent. Again, only in game money, the credits can allow you to purchase them. So making them cheaper for the people buying loot boxes. Good for EA. Well, I mean, making it more accessible, even if you're playing, because when you're playing, you can earn some credits. And then it comes down to a little bit less, you know, more manageable. But the fact that they went in and made those characters because everything is calculated, of course, you know, more or less, how long it's going to take. If you only played a game as opposed to if you buy loot boxes, making it about 40 hours to get those characters is ludicrous. Like one of those characters was 40 hours. That's what really set people off to get on that Reddit thread and downvote that comment even more than I mean, speaking of Reddit, I mean, isn't it a little crazy that this is the most downvoted thing on Reddit in Reddit's history? I mean, Reddit is known for all sorts of inflammatory comments, good and bad, that like spawn internet memes. And I guess it sort of speaks to the fact that a lot of people who care about video games are on Reddit. It does. And it's also something that I think the entire gaming community is rallying behind, which is kind of rare. Oftentimes, you see these controversies and you have people foreign against. I think you'll be hard pressed finding people that are saying, yes, this is a great thing. Some of the arguments that do make sense are things like games haven't. You know, the prices of games have remained the same for the past 30 years, you know, 30 years ago, a game cost 60 bucks. That's still the price today and games are a lot more expensive to. I know that people like to play with that as a justification. But frankly, companies are going to charge as much as they can and they should. They should be able to make as much money on the thing as they can. They should only be able to charge for the things that people are willing to pay for. And I think that gets to the crux of what's going on here is people saying, well, hold on. You're you're charging me to play the game, essentially by saying, well, if you pay for this thing and do this other thing, you'll be able to get to that character a whole lot faster. And by the way, you're going to have to play the game against people who've done that. So you kind of have to play. They feel like they don't have a choice of whether they can buy it or not if they want to play the game. And I think that's where companies like Blizzard have avoided this controversy because they only sell items that don't affect gameplay. As soon as it doesn't affect gameplay, you still may get people rub the wrong way by this or that and jealous because someone can afford to buy an outfit that they would like to have. But you can still win at the game without having to spend extra money. I mean, it honestly just reminds me of like outfits in eighth grade, right? Like the cooler outfit, like, you know, sort of like maybe would get you to, you know, a place that the less cool outfit wouldn't. I mean, it's of course a company would would want it to affect gameplay. That means you're going to buy it more often. Yeah, but in this case, I really don't think this is maybe that's what it looks like from the outside. But there's really this confluence of all of the three things. It's almost like, you know, if Apple sold you an iPhone 10 and then charged you for the ability to make phone calls, you know, it's like you can you it's like to give an equivalent. That's not what this is cosmetic stuff, wouldn't you say? Oh, no, no, no, not in the case of battlefront, that's the problem. With EA, they're charging for things that make it easier for you to play the game. And hey, all right. So if my iPhone was like, hey, you know, here's a $1,100 phone. Thank you for buying it. Now, if you want to make calls that were called the time, it's going to be another if you want high if you want good call quality, you can either make 50 calls a day and we'll give you better call quality or you can pay us and we'll give you back. And also just to finish up, EA has a reputation for slimy practices. You know, some companies are more consumer friendly than others. That's even in the world of business. It sometimes happens. EA has a long history of not having their consumers best interest at heart. And this also feels more dirty because it's Star Wars, which is a license that a lot of people are very attached to. So they kind of make a calculation that people are going to buy it and pay for these things anyway, which I understand plays into. It's a little bit predatory, I guess, is what I'm trying to get to. The long and the short of it is when you pay people to do better in a game and when you make people pay to do better in a game than their competitors after you've already charged them, it's not going to go down low. And it's like the steroids of video gaming. Yeah. Yeah. And especially in this very overt way, loot boxes are kind of here to stay. It feels like, but the balance still has to be struck. And this is an instance of where they went way overboard. So the reaction is hopefully going to bring them back closer to the balance. Uh, yeah, or just make it more straightforward. Like, you know, don't make me buy jars to buy cards to buy, you know, if you're going to make it pay to play, put it right there on the front street. Then you understand how it works and you don't pay much. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and in our Facebook group, facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news show. Let's check in to see what's in the mail bags, Sarah. TG Steller, who says, isn't suddenly freezing North Jersey. I've heard it's very cold on the East Coast this week says, hello, Tom, Sarah, Patrick, Roger and the gang. The economist ran a story this week about a randomized scientific study of the impact of news stories published on Twitter on the topics and opinions discussed on Twitter. Here's the summary, a story published by a newspaper and then tweeted is followed by a 10% increase in discussion of that topic during the following week or about 13,000 more tweets. The study involved pretty small newspapers. It wasn't like the New York Times or the Washington Post. It was more kind of smaller regional stuff. Also, the proportion of tweets agreeing with the opinionated perspective of the article increased by 2% more than we usually see during presidential debates, for example. I bring this to your attention because it's the first example, at least one that I'm aware of, of scientists trying to determine the impact of one source of content on a broad social media network. The kind of study would have a lot to say about the impact of, say, ads purchased by the Russian sources for the 2016 election. An impact, you rightly say, has not really been measured, not effectively. Anyway, even though politicians assume it's a big it's a big deal and Silicon Valley assumes that it doesn't matter. Well, obviously there are some nuances to that argument. But interesting points to follow one source of news and see really how things get inflated. This is the first step in actually coming up with a reasonable question of what happened, which is to say, what effect is there? Is there an effect worth examining of small sources? So I love this. I love that they're saying, yeah, there's definitely more discussion of it. So the next step in a well-designed study is to say, OK, let's try to come up with a double blind study or as close of approximation as we can to say, does the discussion of these points in these sources cause a higher index of discussion or belief in them? Like, this is great. Thank you, TG Steller, for sending that. By the way, now through November 20th, $20 of any purchase of Len's custom holiday greeting cards goes directly to his family. Michael and Laura Schmidt, Mike is Len's brother-in-law. I was recently diagnosed with leukemia. He's the sole breadwinner for their family. And so Len's trying to help him out a little by donating a portion of the commission of Len's holiday greeting cards and every little bit helps. So consider getting drawn by Len for the holidays. I have done it before. He makes great cards. I've had him draw my dogs and send him out his greeting cards. I've had him send out his Christmas cards. So if you if you want to do that anyway, you're helping out Len. 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I believe it's Patrick Norton and Scott Johnson tomorrow. Talk to you that this show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club, I hope you have enjoyed this program. Sorry, space done filling out the. I'm going to try to do it ahead of time. But it's always better when you do it ahead of time, but I got you. No worries. What should we call this episode? Compusers still has forums. The biggest story of the show. Wait, hold what? DTNS comes to me. I have to. I must admit, when I when I read the article, I was like, Compusers, huh? I figured vestiges of Compuserve were still around, but it was pretty fascinating to go to the Compuserve forums. Yeah, it wasn't like I was like, definitively, Compuserve had already died. I was like, I don't really know. But yeah, well, AOL. Chip off the old face ID, DTNS quantum, not only with 16 tabs open. Your phone's mom. Apple says you're sleeping wrong. Tom's virtual virtuality. Tom, when you said 16 tabs, is that because like anytime you close your browser and you know you need 16 minimum tabs to have open one time? Oh, no, I just counted them. Oh, OK. I thought maybe it was like that was just your workflow. Like, no, this is the I was like, these are all the tabs I always have open. How many of them are there? They're 16. Well, yeah. OK, so kind of the same thing. I would say, let's say one, two, three. I wouldn't need 16. I have eight. But they're like, I would say 10 tabs that if they're not all open and in a particular order, I'm like, I'm not. EA as evil as a service. EA is going down on Reddit. EA to Reddit, you mad, bro. You've been comp, you served. You old enough to remember the browser wars, bait and switch boxes. The game link aspect is loot. Gravit, gravitationally incorrect tiger. That's not bad. You're pretty good. CompuServeSauce forums is at the top. What do we like? I like those. All of those that he read. No, no, no, CompuServe. CompuServe, I was I was I was thinking plural forums. I like those. I like those forums. Good forums. And Bucha has forums. Bucha, well, Bucha probably does have forums. That's not a forum I need to belong to because it'll just be another rat hole. Serve. Well, the fact that there the the actual forum that I clicked into when I clicked through to the CompuServe forums from the story I read about it first this morning was about it was a book club gave me hope for sword and laser. I'm like, wow, if a book club can persist on CompuServe forums for all this time. Sword and laser will never die. That's right. Be the vampire book clubs. I do like gravitationally incorrect Tiger, too. But I really like it. I don't know, Roger. Uh, I mean, I kind of verb to our turn swerve toward CompuServeSauce forums. Ah, motion carried. OK, which one? Thanks, Raj. CompuServe lives. It lives, it lives. Stab it in the eye. Stab it in the eye. Oh, I like you as evil as a service. Evil, eh, that's funny. I feel like I use something like that during the whole SimCity thing. Hmm. CompuServe still has forums. Gravitational incorrect Tiger. See, it only makes me laugh. Well, that's not nothing. Right. Laugh like no one's watching. All right, I guess I'm going to run. I'm exhausted. Oh, run. See, you're not jet lagged anymore, I can tell, because you're actually tired at this time of night. Well, I might be exhausted because I haven't been sleeping because I'm dead. That too. Yeah. All right, thank you very much. Thanks, Patrick. Bye, Patrick. So, see you soon. Patrons, keep an eye out for that. Do you see those labs? Au revoir. Oh, au revoir. Bye, Patrick's not here to have. Au revoir. Au revoir, Rie. Horses. Hey, so we got a nice email. Where was that email? Got an email about the post show yesterday. Oh, about our reminiscing, like, people. Yeah. And I saw that, too. Can you guys? Oh, there it is. Childhood memories from North Phoenix Guy. Love Today Show. When you guys were talking about the love boat, are you being served three to one contact, the Bloodhound Gang and all the other kids shows you were talking about? I was singing along with you guys, and my friend who was with me at the time had no idea what I was talking about. Great conversation. Brought back lots of memories. Do you remember these memories? Do you remember you can't do that on television? Yes. I watched exactly one episode. Tell Roger that Newton's Apple host was Ira Flotto. Ira Flotto, Flato? I think it's Ira Flato. It's L-A-W-T. I just remember him wearing a lot of sweater vests and sweaters. By the way, it's great having Sarah on the show now. She's great. Oh, well, I knew. One more thing, and I know he wasn't on Today Show, but is it me? Or does Justin Robert Young sound like Brian Brushwood? What? I don't think they sound different. That's to me at all. Brian has a higher-pitched voice, kind of, to me. It's not high-pitched, but I know what you mean. Like Justin's voice is a little lower in the register slightly, which would put Brian's higher. Yeah, but one might hear what you just said and interpret it to mean you thought, Brian sounded like this, which is not what you meant. Ah, but that isn't my issue. That's just some of the things I mentioned. But then Brian will hear that and go, what did Roger say about me? And then you guys fight. If that happens, you should set up your webcam and record and make it a Patreon level. You see Patreon levels everywhere. Patreon per view. Well, for anyone who likes a little Feline post-show, this is the guy who makes Studio Feline run in the background. That's Sam. Yeah, say hi to the kids. There'd be no Studio Feline without the Feline. Why do you look so weird? Right, the Feline, it really puts the Feline in Studio Feline. Nice face. I don't think you'd like to have a attention call to him. He's like, no, I work in the background. Stop. He's like, I just want to... I call attention to segues. I just want to press buttons. See your TD. I just want to, you know, do speed tests. I'm working here. You know, regular cat stuff. Yeah, like most cats. Yeah. So, okay. I want to show you something and I absolutely can't do that. I want to tell you something. And I know Eileen doesn't watch these things. But I probably shouldn't know. How do you know that for sure? You just don't, do you? You don't really know. I bet she does. Pretty sure she doesn't. But today would be the day she did. You have to start dropping these little things where you're like, if she was listening and she would go... There was, okay. There was one day that I got suspicious because I mentioned microwaving fish and you and Roger were like, you microwaved fish. Like, doesn't that just stick up the whole house? I'm like, I don't know. Seems fine. And that evening, Eileen came home. And it's not the first time I microwaved fish, but it was the first time she said, did you microwave fish? I'm like... I've never mentioned it before. We used to... But I mean, she also might've just been like, smells like a microwave fish. Yeah, but not because you talked to her. There have been other days that I microwaved fish that she didn't remark on it. You know, there are some lunch rooms in some offices that explicitly have signs like no fish in the microwave. No, yeah. That's what we talked about that day. Exactly. In fact, I've seen that at more than one office in the last couple of years where someone was just like, that's enough. There will be no microwaving a fish and then somebody prints out something. Which is too bad because people should eat more fish. Microwaving fish is perfectly acceptable on the eating end of it. It's just, there ought to be a better way. There has to be a better way. Who can at home bring it in? The thing is, if you're the person that's eating the fish after it's been microwaved, it's fine. Oh, yeah. No, no. It's not like it doesn't work. It's the... Odor. It's an odor without the yummy association that, yeah. If everyone in the office ate microwaved fish at lunch, it would become acceptable, right? People would get used to it. It'd be like, oh, let's just smell a microwaved fish. We all do it, but because it's so unusual, people are like, oh, I hate fish, gross. Don't want to smell that. It's not that unusual. I've always got leftover fish, but I don't microwave it in the public. Take a half a lemon and squeeze the juice on top of the fish. Doesn't help. Doesn't heat it up. Does not make it not smell like fish. Oh, it doesn't. You were saying that would help with the microwaving, Roger? No, no, after you microwave, just squeeze it right on right after. Oh, TVZGun says put the fish in a Ziploc bag and then boil water around the fish in the Ziploc bag. Isn't the plastic gonna leech into the water, though? Well, you're not eating the water. The water's just boiling the bag. Yeah, but you're boiling plastic. It's basically like, it's a poor man's sous vide. I mean, I don't know. If that's safe, go for it. It seems like, I always stay away from plastic things. I microwave everything in glass because I'm worried about eating plastic. Just get a poke bowl and have the fish raw. That's not the point. That's like, go order something else. I'm gonna have to have a poke bowl later. Go get that Esperanto poke bowl. That's my new business idea. Poke bowl, but an Esperanto. Do you know how to order? It has a whitefish that is common to all cultures. Can't have one. TVZGun says in the chat room, no, use the microwave to boil the water separately. Oh, then put the bag. So after the water boil and then put the bag in. I see. The bag would still melt in the hot water, wouldn't it? No, plastic wouldn't melt. A bag shouldn't melt if it does. You got other issues. Shouldn't melt that the temperature water boils. Oh, kind of cool. It's a cool little life hack. Yeah. Or just set up a sous vide unit in your break room. Yeah, just do that. Start the fish at, you know, six that morning. I want it to be great. A work in a restaurant that has a lot of seafood or something in it and you can hide the smell. Get another job. Again, not a practical solution. The solution, it's not an ideal solution. Eat something else for lunch. How about that? That'll solve your problem. That's not a solution. Isn't it though? You're gonna bring that fictional fish right into the office. Stop eating fish. That'll solve your problem. Are you ready? Eat fish, eat it at home. Or... You know, there's a really good sushi place down the street. Maybe I'll go over there for a little late lunch. Sorry, guys. Right around this time, I get so hungry. No, it's okay. Joe, who is the guy who helps me shoot the tech or public top five videos that I do, always sends me a song title themed text when he's on his way here. And we're gonna shoot as soon as we're done with the show. And they're getting better every week. This time he said, man, the Uber driver was really glad you don't live where the streets have no name. Yeah. You do too, song, where the streets have no name. No, I get that. Yeah. Oh, I see. Good story, huh? Okay. Yeah, good story. Good story. Made me laugh. Staunchly ambivalent. Sorry, speaking of tabs, I got tab crazy and shut myself right out of Hangouts. Oh, wow. I didn't have Hangouts forward. I was wondering why you went suddenly silent. That was my closing of the Hangouts tab. Yeah, I've done that before where I've been in a Skype call and I'm trying to like, you know, I don't want things to get in the way of the band with the Skype. I should close a bunch of things and close Skype. Yeah. I've done that at least once where like, oh, wait, that sort of defeats the purpose. I mean, the thing with the new Firefox is not being able to use Hangouts is like... Yeah, I know. I was all excited because I was gonna do the Hangout. Yeah. It's just kind of like, it's not really a good workflow. I want it to be all or nothing, especially if I make it my default browser. I know. Well, folks. Life is tough. Yeah. Life. Don't talk to me about life. Life gives you a bunch of chocolate. Don't talk to Tom about life. Tom knows a lot about life. Say, say everybody, we are going to leave now, but we'll be back tomorrow. So don't move, just stay where you are until tomorrow, about 22 hours from now. We'll be back, okay? And I'm gonna be on Night Attack tonight. So anybody who wants to watch 7 p.m. Pacific Time, we're gonna be on the front page of twitch.com, which is, you know, that's very cool for the Night Attack folks, so, yeah. Problem solvers, go check it out. All right. Goodbye. Bye.