 I'd like to start with some simple title associations. Just tell me the first word that pops into your head. For example, I might say, Never Say Never Again. And you might say, Rip Off. Doctor Nell. First. Goldfinger. Classic. Casino Royale. Brilliant. On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Emotional. Golden Eye. Parade. Plum of Solace. Baffling. Licensed to Kill. Masterpiece. Die Another Day. Ludacris. Diamonds Are Forever. Terrible. The Spy Who Loved Me. Epic. No Time to Die. No Time to Die. No Time to Die. No Time to Die. It's ridiculous. Dead Ending. It Eclipse Everything. Why on earth did they kill him off? Own People Killed Him Off. The guy only just got over Vesper. He found a new love. Only to leave her behind with a child. A child, John. I can't deal with this. That's another thing. What you seen in Casino Royale? Even possible. And now he's gone. The embodiment of survival. That was more than one word. Hey guys, this is Jeroen. Better known as Dutch Bond fan. And I'm once again rejoined by my biggest inspiration. My fellow YouTuber John from App Hazard Stuff. How you doing John? Very good. Thank you. I'm glad to be talking about this movie with you. Finally. Again, for what feels like the first time finally after seeing this. So this time we're going to actually talk about it. Having seen The Stinkin' Thing. Instead of doing all our predicting and speculating and all that jazz. Exactly. We're now doing multiple episodes again. Probably another six parters. And this is episode one. We're going to be discussing the beginning of No Time to Die. You guys may have seen we did a little six part series before which was called the forecasting No Time to Die series. Which we did a lot of predicting on No Time to Die in six parts. This time we're going to go back to the predictions and talk a lot more about No Time to Die after finally seeing it in another six parts coming up. And like has been the construction and tradition between me and John. The odd numbered episodes go on my channel and you will find the even numbered episodes on this. So before we actually dive into all the stuff of No Time to Die. I just want to hear your initial first impressions after seeing this movie. What did you think John? I think like when we were discussing this movie and predicting and all that stuff I'd always I had expected that it would be middle of the road it would be a decent movie I wouldn't like it as much as like my favorite Bond movies it's not going to be one of the worst ones and that's pretty much how it fell. For the first half of the film I was enjoying and then towards the middle it felt very dry. It's a long movie I don't know if it really needed to be that long but I was enjoying it that first half for the most part and then that second half it started to get a little bit too convoluted confusing to me a lot of the because we know it's like Bond and Madeline and all that stuff and that did not work for me and that's kind of the main focus around the story so like when I didn't buy into their little romance and stuff a lot of the emotional hits that I guess they were expecting to get fell flat for me. It didn't really affect me too much and then we get to that ending and it was pretty unsatisfying unsatisfying way for him to go out so like I would say it's sort of a mixed bag it's not terrible but that ending really eclipses a lot of the good stuff that came before it's like I almost forget about all the good stuff when I think about no time to die and I just keep on going back to that ending and I think we could talk about it more in detail later but I think they could have come up with a better way even if they wanted to kill him which was we kind of talked about that because our thing was they already exhausted the two extreme endings they could have done with Craig him coming back to the service in Skyfall him leaving the service in Spectre so they had to find something different and significant enough to end this movie on and one of them was killing him off which is what they did because they can't just end the movie like the first 20 with him just leaving with a girl that's great fine it would feel like a come down it has to be like this big epic conclusion so it's a tradition these days but I think they could have done it in a more satisfying way even if you wanted to kill him off a more satisfying and heroic way where I would have felt like applauding and it's like okay yeah I could see it had to be that way the way they did it is just kind of confusing why they did it that way I agree and we'll get into more detail on this when we probably in the final part of this series when we get to the ending I want to know like what was your overall impressions of it when you were sitting there watching us you know I can agree to a large part of the ending it's such a polarizing thing it even divided me in where do I stand with this it really needed to sink the first days after seeing this I agree that it overshadows a lot of the good but I have to say I am pretty positive about this movie a lot of our predictions were spot on but also I was happily surprised by some of it mainly a lot of the action the cinematography the music as well which I really liked some callbacks I didn't expect that I was pleasantly surprised by I actually know me that's another thing we really were thinking a lot like is she gonna be 007 and is this gonna be the new Jinx that's gonna be even more terrible I wasn't as annoyed by her as I was initially thinking we would be you know I was thinking it's just gonna be her one uping bond the whole time and you know it's gonna be a lot of you know everybody was so concerned it's gonna be so woke which I feel there were moments which definitely felt like that but not to my you know it didn't go in my annoying zone as much I was happy when she reinstated that 007 number for some reason it sounds childish but I felt kind of relieved by that and we'll get into all of that stuff later overall I'm pretty positive about it but I'm still very divided on the ending and I'm more I'm leaning more towards the camp of this is not the ending I wanted and it's not necessarily something that moved me that much and I wish that they ended it differently but the rest there's so much to enjoy in this as well so I can't wait to dive into more detail about this with you and go over all of these when you went to see it you went to see it with that Friday night the first the first night it came out right first day yeah for me it was a first day Thursday what was it two weeks ago actually as as a point in this um did you have to go to the bathroom at any point you stayed in that seat right I stayed in the seat yeah I made sure to go and sometimes I have a weak bladder actually this film was long I remember I had one large beer which the waiter brought because we had VIP seats and in the beginning I was chucking it away and I was like wait a minute this movie is gone I better do it a little bit slower because I don't want the bladder to get going and we had no break too in this screening so it was one sitting no breaks so but I had no problems with the bladder luckily so that was good so towards the end you weren't like you know straining saying I don't want to I'll just hold it in did you have that problem no ironically I didn't I knew it was going to be long so like I took it easy on the soda like beforehand and like during the movie like I was just sipping it and at the end when it finished I know you had to have stayed through all the credits yep I did I actually I said to because it was about to get out I was like no no no we need to we need to see if the James Palmer return will be there I need to know and I had a hunch that it would be because I think Fugunaga said so in an interview that it was there I was totally expecting it but there was a fun moment there when it did pop up and because a lot of the people got up and were walking towards my little stand I had like a private balcony and they were walking towards the exit and at one point you know the James Palmer return pops on and I literally went a little bit exaggerated but I went like yes I told you to my girlfriend and then a guy was walking and he would like oh yeah how about that he didn't care so he was like a casual casual movie a guy in a suit and I'm in a suit and everything yeah that was fun what was the reaction in your theater like at the end did you notice anything a lot of people seemed sad about it and you could hear some mumbling and definitely you could hear the casuals like oh I guess that was it then they have no idea about the whole rebooting concept and you could definitely feel it needed the land in the audience I noticed like at the end in my theater I heard one guy say that it was like a girlfriend or wife or something see like they're not going to make anymore James Bond movies now it's just going to be movies with the black girl yeah that's I think the confusion like the general audience is going to have a lot of this stuff because that's what they keep reading in the press so can't blame it Eon's going to have to do a lot of clearing up the confusion for the next batch of movies how can you bring it back you killed them yeah are they going to do the same thing as with Kingsman like the alpha general that brings them back maybe they'll just do prequels it's going to be oh yeah that's another thing let's start talking about the movie from the beginning the gun barrel now I heard our gun barrels were different I read it somewhere the gun barrel was the same but in Europe the universal logo dissolves into the white dots and I heard that wasn't the case in the US so like we got the more traditional like the MGM that cartoon lion that they're using now it's not even a real lion anymore that they use in those logos it's always a cartoon looking but yeah it was like the MGM with the lion and that faded out and that's when we started getting the gun barrel I like that better that's how it's supposed to be did you see our version I did see that I wasn't really a fan it's kind of a neat I see like universal they tried to incorporate their own logo into the dots but it just seemed kind of awkward yeah there was no real point to do that I have to say though I did like because I was saying I hope there's a gun barrel I did the video the significance of the gun barrel I was pretty sure it was going to start with a gun barrel because I heard the music that seemed to like they're gonna start this up with a gun barrel but I had like two concerns is it gonna be Bond walking in there and is it gonna start with one then it did it was Bond it was a gun barrel now again we didn't get a traditional one this was like a silvery ice colored gun barrel but I was overall pretty excited because the music was good Craig was in the gun barrel those were already one open but there was no blood and then it just fades far away and I was like again Craig did not get a traditional gun barrel he never got one and he's the only guy to have a unique gun barrel for every movie which none of the other actors had totally different and never a traditional one he opens the iris and stuff but I was excited about it I liked it enough what about you? I thought he kind of walked a little fast in that gun barrel like it seemed like it went by a little bit faster than normal like I barely even got a chance to like oh okay here's the gun barrel and it was like over it seemed like pretty quick the sprinting pace that he had in Quantum he almost ran past and quantum had the really fast one in the ending if you remember I guess this one this was a new one he filmed this with a new gun barrel I'm guessing this wasn't a reuse this was the first one where he's actually wearing a tuxedo in the gun barrel too I didn't even register with me yeah I know that hadn't happened since the Brosnan days I think that too to have him in a tuxedo it's always a suit with a tie oh yeah but uh what did you think? did you notice if he like the blood wasn't there and oh yeah I noticed it because even I noticed the oh it's like the iris isn't opening up into the scene like in the old usual ways it seems like we're zooming into the iris and like it's kind of dissolving into this snow scene and Bob is dissolving as well which is also very what did you make of that? he just kind of disappears yeah you could watch that symbolically as like a foreshadowing of what happens in the ending some people said like you know normally he hits the target the gun barrel the blood goes down this time the target hits him and he dissolves like I don't know if it was even intended that way I even heard a guy say you know there was actually a tampon in this movie and that's that's why there were people that went down but yeah but like I said I was pretty excited about because I was just hyped to be in a theater again and hyped to hear the music pop on and on a big screen it always makes more of an impression on finally after all those years so I wasn't hating on it too much but I did feel like that wasn't a traditional thing but oh well let's get on with it then we move into the actual pre-title sequence there were actually you know how we were predicting in our forecasting series that I said like I think the Italy scene is going to be the pre-title sequence but it could also I also see people talk about the flashback if it's going to be a flashback and what turns out they use both as the pre-title sequence it seemed like at one point we were going back and forth which one would be the pre-titles the snow or the car chase both they crammed it both and it ends up being the longest pre-titles this was near a half an hour I think because I think the world doesn't have the longest one this is totally longer because I looked up the times so the world is not enough pre-titles was about 14 minutes no time to die pre-titles was 20 minutes oh it felt longer but 20 just 20 minutes yeah let's get into that first the snow scene I remember in our predictions that I told you like Madeline talks in the train inspector about a man once came to our house and I was like I guess that's going to be Saffin that whole thing was there and I did like this whole sequence in the snow I felt this was really different immediately it felt like we're not watching Sam Mendes doing God anymore this is different and then the part where Saffin all of a sudden is at the window with like the mask on that was almost like horror movie stuff like you were like oh this is different this is kind of creepy what do you think of that yeah I mean I don't really have any complaints with the pre-titles I thought we kind of because it was the most significant really the only significant thing with Madeline, inspector to me was her little story and so they used that as like stopping off point for her in this movie so it wasn't a surprise that they went there but I thought yeah it was kind of like a home invasion horror kind of thing I did like how they tried to set it into a time period with the little girl playing with one of those it was like a Tamagotchi like the little 90's toys but like it was well put together like you see the shot under the sink and then like you see it later, pull back and you see the gun is gone so you know like okay now the little girls got the gun and stuff but one of the things like later and we could get to it we pretty much knew that was going to be Malik under the mask it's just strange to me because and I think you were really pointing this out during one of our videos those two are not that far apart in age like they're only five years apart so like you know her being I'm going to do a flashback as Madeline as a child how is it going to match up they did that like it's strange it is weird like it doesn't seem like they aged Malik at all from that past to like you know the present day I don't know maybe it's his skin so Madeline and I mean Lea Seidu and Remy Malik but I imagine they're pretty close I think it was like they're only four or five years apart in actual age I think he's 40, she's about 36 it is believable enough though for the story but yeah it's fine like he's got his messed up skin so I guess that kind of can cover up like his aging but I did come up with a question during the cinema already because we see Madeline's mom being like an alcoholic on the couch and she doesn't even care like a strange man with a mask is standing in her living room but I was thinking like if this is Madeline's mom which by the way got murdered pretty brutally who was the wife that Mr. White was sitting in a theater with in Quantum of Solace oh I thought that was just like it was just like a rant it was just like wife just somebody like he was sitting next to probably like a random person who's going to see that opera to me it always seemed like that was his wife at that point I believe I thought it was at the time as well like oh what do you know he has a wife at the time obviously it doesn't link to anyone no I think that was just like a random specter gathering she might have been just in the concert go he makes like a random comment to her I bet the writers never thought about that woman they had to see to that oh the writers they didn't think about a lot of stuff I don't think no overall this was a good dream pre-title sequence I think but I have a question about that pre-titles yeah the little girl like she sees her mom dead like on the on the couch that was kind of a brutal kill even though we didn't really see him actually shoot her we got the sense like that was pretty hardcore that was a pretty harsh way to start a bottom movie I mean we haven't seen something as brutal like that since licensed to kill I guess where he rips out the heart and stuff yeah but the little girl she shoots the bad guy then like she starts dragging him out of the house into the snow and was like where is she taking him what what is she doing I didn't understand what she was trying to get done like just take the bad guy out of the house or put him in the lake to me it seemed like yeah exactly like she was going to try and dispose the body because she I guess she realized she committed a crime so she needed to dispose then it turns out of course in another moment which unfortunately we already saw in the last trailer but the moment where he goes you know he comes back to his breath and Malon didn't bring the gun this time and she's in trouble another good moment I think is this whole thing where she ends up under the ice in the lake yeah yeah I like you said it this wasn't and then you know she starts shooting at her from under the ice which falling into the ice scene did you like better because immediately when I saw this I was like alright this is similar to Skyfall when he fell into the ice I thought you were going to mention dying on a day maybe oh yeah they ripped that movie off huh I didn't even think about that connection I kind of blocked that movie out yeah but that wasn't really that was Bond swimming under the ice on purpose you know and that connected to Reservoir or something but here it's like to me like you said no complaints this was a really strong different fresh opening I felt and why do you think he was ready to kill a little girl before what flipped the switch he saved it he ends up saving I don't know and that's another thing we'll discuss later I guess when we get to Saffin but I was confused whether or not this was the big secret or that she got saved by him I don't know what the big secret was but we'll get back to we'll get back to that later I did like the transition where you see her underwater and then she comes above water as an adult in Jamaica and it's obvious to us we're now at the time shortly after Spectre ended I guess she's having a good time in Jamaica with Bond it didn't have 20 years later 30 years later thing did it they did do that after the pre-titles that was 5 years later so we don't know how much time went yeah and then this the first shot Bond comes on you see Craig again old muscular looking at her beautiful shot all that stuff again really good and then shortly after I think we get the moment where they're in the car together and she goes there's no hurry you see and it's like oh is he gonna say it we have all the time in the world that's pretty good it hasn't seen the Majesties yet so she didn't get that connection but I was like oh this is I like that moment I was curious about that because you hear the Majesties you know all the time in the world Louis Armstrong come on and we know what it is we know the meaning behind all this and the homage they're doing and everything but I wonder if all this stuff if it affected people who don't know Majesties and that line all the time in the world does that have any more is it working on them the way that I think they're lending it to outside just not Bond fans who know it but like just casual moviegoers well Lyra didn't didn't see any significance to it of course we're about to do the Majesties one next but she she didn't think anything of it so that's the reference I have but as a fan I could appreciate it did you like all those references and like the concepts there was a lot of Majesties in here wasn't there but I feel I was just so happy to be in the cinema again and watch a Bond movie in the first place that I could let it sink and I guess it's also the music combined with the beautiful cinematography as they drive into Madeira of Italy and you see them come up to this spot the music of Majesties I'm like wow I'm actually watching a new Bond movie to me it was all pretty impressive actually I wasn't annoyed by it at all I like the first use of it and the shot of them driving by the ocean it really hearkens back to that but then after that I think they start going back to that well too much all of a sudden they're using the line from Majesties utilizing that history too much and just I was hoping like that was all Majesties all the time in the world why don't you come up with your own bring something new to the table a new line, a new theme or something but I guess it was neat to see Majesties get like a shout out because it was kind of the bastard child in the series for the longest time but yeah all the time in the world it started and then the closing credits use the song again and I was like oh man they're really like diving into this yeah I think there's always a fine line between if you call back something to falling into parody or doing it right and here I felt like yeah to me this was subtle enough you know the casual fans won't know oh yeah and as long as it's good because it looked good the music was good the callback is nice like I said if they do it all the time that would have annoyed me but yeah I was on board with it maybe it was just me then I was getting a little problem with them like the DB5 well speaking of the DB5 which was heavily present in the disbury title sequence later on I do feel this was one of the best Bond movies to show the DB5 one of the best action scenes to ever see it in I think which pops up a little bit later because there's a lot of stuff before we get to that but yeah what about we see them arrive in the little town and we see them laying in bed and it's the only sex that we see in this James Bond film what do you think yeah I was kind of expecting that you know all the brits is writing this there's not going to be a lot of sex in this well that was like one of our predictions no sex there was going to be barely any sex and it was just we were pretty caught on I guess like in a way like are we watching like his daughter's conception in that moment I guess it kind of works out that way I mean yeah maybe Madeline's secret was that she didn't use any bird control yeah so that was kind of expected I figured no sex and we saw that little moment then laying in bed so yeah but she was in board with a lot of this then there comes the moment where you know it's obvious Madeline needs to tell him a secret but she also wants to know the secrets about Bessper and he has to forgive her so he goes to her tomb which I felt was one of the best moments in the film actually to me that moment where he's standing in front of her grave pretty much her tomb and you see her picture and we get the Bessper music from Casino Real brought back to me it brought back so much because it's been what was it like 16 years 15 years 15 years since Casino Real yeah and to hear him say just simple words like I miss you to me that was I felt that more than the whole ending that was like oh wow he does miss me because you know inspector he throws away the tape for her interrogation oh yeah yeah the VHS tape Bessper forget about her and Quantum is I think this was something more heartfelt than the entirety of Quantum of Solace this was a moment that Quantum of Solace needed to be I think to see him in this position because he did find his solace which was supposed to be the whole point of Quantum but they never reached this this intense like they did here like one line I miss you very powerful so I felt that was more heartfelt than the entirety of Quantum of Solace and pretty much the ending because I don't know about you but I felt that like oh wow Madeline says to him you got to forgive Bessper it was sort of like reminding me of what it was almost like Quantum beats again because like Math is saying to him forgive her forgive yourself yeah it doesn't seem like as much as they said like oh he found his solace and everything I guess he really didn't he didn't really find any solace at the end of that movie he's still carrying this stuff around we what did he find in Quantum you know that Quantum was just a confusing mess even even being James Bond documentary to kind of confess like yeah you know Quantum wasn't you know there was the writer strike even they they're kind of like you know Quantum was regrettable yeah I stopped and seen that doc yeah they are being more honest about it now in retrospect like yeah it wasn't what it was supposed to be which is fair by the way the writer strike did have a huge impact on that I mean there were parts where Craig and Forster had to do a lot of the writing while filming as you know yeah they were making it up as they filmed yeah but this whole like you said the forgiving of Asper the the moment where he kind of tries to find his solace all of this was stuff was really would have benefited if this was in Quantum all of this stuff did he did so at the end of Quantum was solace he never really found his solace not to this extent I feel it's like I need you back I never left I missed you yeah that packs more of a wallop than him just chucking her necklace off to the side I guess it also works because it's been so long and to see him still to see Asper still looming over him after 15 years and to hear him finally say I miss you that that connection they have it's so much more than Bond and Madeline so much more it really is I said that I think I mistakenly attributed to you maybe but him standing at that grave and like burning like you know forgive me that has more of an emotional punch to me than anything that him and Madeline go through in this movie any kind of connection that supposedly they have you know it's funny even my girlfriend I said what did you think Bond and Madeline and she said it doesn't seem like they have any kind of like joy in their relationship there's no playfulness there's no real connection it's been like that since she got introduced to Spectre to me I don't see her as a worthwhile successor to Vest in any way and it's the same in Spectre there's this moment where Bond is getting tortured in the chair the drill comes into and you know she's quickly going to find out whether or not he forgot about her and then he's like I would recognize you anywhere like he's deeply in love with this woman where did you know how did it start you know what and now I do have to do have to say we'll get into Madeline more in the later episodes she was a lot more flashed out and she had some really good acting in this a lot better than Spectre I feel I was on board with her a lot more I still don't really buy the chemistry as much as Bond and Vest were had so yeah she was better in this I would remember you anywhere like I don't even need a drill in my head to forget about this check but when she when she was off screen I have to think about it but like I think when she was off screen and not involved in any of the any of the goings on that's the parts of no time to die I enjoyed the most when she wasn't even involved in anything yeah but you know we'll get to her later so out of nowhere Vesper's tomb explodes that caught me off guard that caught me by a huge surprise and they were as well he grabbed my leg like she was she didn't expect this moment either I was very happy they did not show any of this in the trailer actually to have this be a genuine surprise because I was not expecting Vest to pop up like that in the first place and this whole moment there was so much that was spoiled to us to me this was a big surprise I mean in a way like I'd be it's shocking that he could survive that blast like he was standing right there yeah but it's okay that's okay you have to numb down music like you know that Zimmer uses where you can't hear anything for a moment yeah that ringing that yeah shell shocked but I was happy to see it it made an impact on me that the explosion wasn't in I was totally in this movie by this point by the way I loved every bit up to this point and all the bits coming as well where you know there's this scene coming up where the body drives to bond on the big stone bridge yeah that was one of the things that like the trailers it's a good scene like a good action scene with the DB5 and all the chase and everything the bike but the trailers like after all these trailers and stuff it was sort of and I think they showed the whole extended clip of them like you know being surrounded and stuff you can I could have pieced it together by what I saw from all those trailers it really is because Lira didn't see any of the trailers I don't know about your girlfriend while you were watching it I was kind of envious to her that part where the car comes up she was like and he jumps up she was so totally surprised saying with the bike jump oh wow what a stunt and I was like I've seen this a million times you know to me it's a shame because he wanted to be like her reaction yeah I don't it was a good action scene good action scene I like the DB5 I like seeing it all everything getting pulled out a little bomb coming out of the the back the smoke screen but I hope they're done with the DB5 and like I've said it I've complained to you enough about it and I don't want to go on about it but I think they pulled it out way too much it's become a nostalgic crutch I know they use it for promotion but it's enough I didn't even let myself start questioning why if he's retired why does he have this gadget full car he's not on duty anymore for that maybe he won in casino but it's still I didn't even think about it he's going to have guns in it yeah I agree but I didn't question it either it doesn't make sense especially in this continuity late in the era but I did like how when that sequence started because I didn't watch that they released the whole clip of him shooting at the car and her panicked inside and everything but I did like that little detail of the bells ringing sort of like drowning out like all the gunfire that's happening in this little town almost like all this mayhem that's happening to come back to that moment where he's kind of waiting in the car exactly like he said ready to be killed and Madeline as well Madeline's like come on James come on he's like all numbed out that's another shame that they showed that in the final trailer that was supposed to be fresh again we did know that was coming where he eventually goes okay and then does the donut because I was totally waiting for the donut to happen again I was envious because Leroyd had no idea like what was coming he was like do something you know he had no idea the guns were about to come out to me that's almost better to not see a lot of the trailers because it does spoil so much I do like the moment where he's like because he's not necessarily numbed out because he's afraid he can't win but he's just numbed out because his will to survive is gone for a little bit because he's just shocked that Madeline might be working she betrayed him what's the point anymore did this bitch betrayed me why should I fight then there's this one moment of doubt like maybe I should just try and see what happens and the gatling guns I do like that then you know that's a cool addition at least that's not a call that might have been like one of the reasons why they use that so much in the trailers was because one it was the DB5 everybody knows oh James Bond and his car and it's so early in the movie they didn't want to give away more of the stuff the secret stuff in the trailers from later in the movie so like it's not as important as the stuff towards the end so we'll just use all this to promote the film put it in the trailer show off the clips that was one of the things I had one of the problems I had with the movie was I think most of the best action is towards the front end of it with the yeah I guess so with the DB5 and the other stuff that we could talk about down the road which by the way is similar to the other movie that had the longest pre-titles because most of the good action is in the beginning yeah but yeah it was a cool opening and unlike that bit where he actually drops or off at the train near the end of the pre-titles it's just like it's another moment where I was already thinking alright Madeline's been framed there's no way she's all of a sudden the bad guy now I didn't buy for a second like yeah I don't know she's gonna be secretly working for Spectre she didn't really betray him but it was pretty powerful again Bones just says goodbye to her he doesn't kill her he just doesn't want anything to do with her anymore he doesn't want to deal with Spectre and this is like it's kind of it is kind of weird like how he's so ready to believe that she's in on this and that she's not being framed he was really he fell for their trick a little too easy he didn't like question I agree but yeah which by the way I was surprised were you surprised that Blofeld all of a sudden was on the phone there yeah I thought about that later they give him phone privileges in prison or like how's he called I don't need to do that well done Madeline well done you're gonna make Spectre proud and then I like how he sees her phone and like the Spectre logo comes up you know that's the idea totally secret organization but as soon as they call you you know they make sure the logo pops up yeah yeah that's their little contact picture that's okay yeah I know but overall like I said really powerful pre-title sequence and I always say with the pre-title sequence in Bond movies you up and you know whet your appetite to see to get you ready for the movie I totally wasn't bored up until this point it did it did a good job it did a good job which I guess this is gonna be interesting to hear from me it moves us into the title sequence and you unlike seeing all the trailers and stuff you managed to never hear the Billy Eilish song up and say Simba because I heard it like more than a year ago I heard it so many times so to you what was it like to hear that song for the first time in theaters um you're gonna be disappointed uh yeah it was okay it is okay son it's okay yeah it was good it didn't like blow me away or anything it was better than Sam Smith oh oh yeah definitely it was definitely better than that it's not my favorite in like the credit like you know it's not like you know my name or Skyfall but I liked it better than what was the quantum one another way to die another way to die yeah it was it was fine I mean it will be on constant rotation for me probably not but I don't mean here but it's the lyrics are pretty powerful and it ties in well with the movie like you know I've fallen for a lie and you know let's see some of the version that's let's see that are you death or paradise or something like that fool me once fool me twice yeah it was good I don't think it's made me like a Billy Eilish fan or anything not on me but because I did actually listen to it on the first release that I was happily surprised back then and I was like oh this is a lot better than what I was thinking she would put out I still like it today it wouldn't be in my top 10 either but I really hope that they go back to less solemn bond less solemn bond song and give us something view to a kill and living daylights and something like you know I can get my toe tapping and like get a little bit excited about like the movie it was another do you ever think that you know a bottom movie is going to start again if you see like female body zipper opening boots popping out with 007 gone are those days yeah we're not going to see any like topless chicks wearing neon ribbons anymore but what do you think of the title sequence itself like was it Kleinman again who did this oh yeah I thought it was again it was like it was fine some of the stuff I it didn't register I guess it was like a lot of foreshadowing being done because I remember seeing a statue holding a trident oh yeah yeah like then it clicked to me is like oh that was like his little his little sign or whatever on the computer like on the island at the end jame bond he's this trident he's the blue trident oh yeah because I think that was also a reference to majesties I know the hourglass as soon as I saw the hourglass isn't the trident in there as well but at least the hourglass that's a big reference as well yeah do all the DNA with the guns and stuff DNA I didn't really get because you see the db5 go like land under water oh yeah that's the thing you know I wish I could just pop it up now and watch it again once again they showed Vesper, Madeleine, Bond in the images pictures of Madeleine I think yeah Blofeld was there yeah Blofeld again they didn't do the same thing as Spectre where they kept showing like other villains like oh yeah Spectre even had like Silva in there for no real reason oh yeah the exploding masks oh yeah but yeah no to me I was enjoying it up until this point good good good pre-title sequence fun titles powerful opening so overall pretty solid start I was kind of surprised because like we kept on saying like our predictions oh Spectre is going to ambush Bond and Madeleine in the db5 which is kind of what they did yeah but I didn't anticipate them trying to frame Madeleine like being in on it and turning Bond against her I was like an element I was like okay kind of because I did see I wasn't necessarily thinking it would go like this but there was the moment in the trailer why would I betray you oh yeah well and also the fact that in the trailer you see that he sees her again in the mi6 building and you can see like he hasn't seen her in a long time which is why I predicted they would do a time skip so I did know something is about to go wrong here but I wasn't expecting Blofeld to just call her like hey you know Madeleine good job Madeleine you're making Spectre proud baby you're making Spectre proud baby yes but yeah up to that point everything was everything's good it all started I was like okay I'm ready to see what they got going for this one