 Is there public comment for items not on the agenda? Additions or changes to the agenda? It's snowing. That's not on the agenda. It's going to be pouring rain on Friday at 50 degrees. Are the roads slick? Yes. The salt shakers should hit the county road. I think they use that other stuff, don't they? They should have salt shaker. The magic salt shaker. Magic salt shaker. Don't say that. They don't think they can have salt shaker. All right. So let's get started. We'll skip over updates and reports unless somebody has something significant to report. All right. Get started with the fire department. Thanks for coming back, guys. I'm glad to see you're recovering from your surgery. I'm recovering. Good for you. I'll come better than expected. Is that a break? What is that? No, I tore a tendon in the back and then they had to relocate my biceps tendon. So I got the four holes. Sounds painful. So I don't have to have the great big one that you're in for four months before you can do anything. And it's your left hand or unless you're left handed? No, I'm good. Hopefully it's going to shorten that recovery window by a minimum of many months. Good for you. All right. So trying to figure out where is going to be the best place to start off with this. When you were here before, you had a capital, you went, yeah, why don't you come up? I had a capital equipment plan that you were putting forward. And is that? I don't have it in itself, but I can put it up here. This is it. Is that what I presented before? Or is that now? The one that was presented. No, that's not even us. That's highway. Yep. Yeah. Bring it back here. I'm seeing them. Let's see. They're called here. They're called WV. Yep. Those are the copies. Those are the copies. I've got this version of it. That's all right. I've got four of these that I can give you guys, which doesn't have that wonderful PDF complete thing on it. That's good. I have one that says PDF complete. I'm so glad you figured out how to get rid of that. Yeah. You had to transcribe the whole thing all over again, didn't you? No, because I had the original online, but when I updated the computers, the software hadn't updated, so now it's all fixed. All right, so now you're looking at where is your plan that you had brought to us before we were wanting us to contribute $40,000 to a replacement fund. Yep. No, that was the last time I came here. You asked me to sharpen a pencil, so what I did was I went back, I reduced the fleet by one, like we had mentioned we were talking about reducing the fleet, which we knew would bring down the cost. Okay, where is that on here? On here, the fourth line down. There's those two empty spots. Okay, yep. The 1999. Correct. That's a truck. We wouldn't be replacing an engine one, which is the very top one with a rescue pumper. So that would be a combination truck to replace both of them at the same time. So what's the bottom line then of what you're asking us to contribute over? 62. 62,000? Well yours would be 31. Before it was 80 and 40. Was your share? So now it would be 31,000 for Calis? 31,000 for each town. That's reducing the fleet by one and assuming we can get the resale that we're hoping to get. It's kind of a hard thing to estimate, but... And that would be 31,000 dollars a year for 20 years? That would be 31,000 a year going forward. Right, but it says averaged over 20 years. The average over 20 years... Where are you? That's very bottom. The 20 years is because that's the replacement plan for a vehicle. It's 20 years in the fire service. So that $1,390,000 divided out by 20 years is 69.5. And then we subtracted the other resale value from it, which is what brought it down to the 62. So 62 minus the resale and minus the reduction in fleet. So the other price of that other truck is what brings it down to the 62,000. In 20 years we'd basically be doing the same thing again, replacing the same trucks. You have to replace the trucks every 20 years regardless. And you're also looking at what in the next couple of years you're going to ask us for a bond for a fire station? We're not sure where that's going to go yet, to be honest. We had asked to get one of you to come sit on a panel for us. And we're going to be asking the Woodbury select board to provide a member to sit on the panel as well. Right now it's in infancy. We have been given a piece of property. We've done some water testing. We've had a guy digging, trying to do up a site plan for us to see what is possible on that land and what we'd be looking at. And then from there going forward we'd want a select board member from each town and a couple members from the community to kind of work on a, not so much the site plan, but moving forward and seeing what it is and what we can do. If we can do anything. Maybe we can't do anything. I don't know. In a bond amount you would be looking at at least a million maybe more? I hope not, but we don't know. That's what is to be figured out is the what. Okay, so just to put this right out there on the table, we currently support two fire departments, Eastmont Piliar and Woodbury, and you know that our budget, I have to say $31,000. I don't know what everybody else thinks, but that's a lot of money for us to come up with all at once in one year. I don't know how we're going to do that. And I don't know how Woodbury select board feels about it either. Have you presented this to them yet? We don't actually get their permission. We show it to them, but we have to take this to the voters in Woodbury. Well, that's what we would do here too as well. Last year you just put it in your budget. We did, but this is a huge increase. That's fine. And we would have to put it on the warning. I've already got something somewhat drafted, but. I'm fully aware. Anybody else want to chime in? So this is 62,000 total. A year. A year. And so our share would be 31 and Woodbury share would be 31. And this is capital fund. Yes, that's to replace trucks. That's not the operating budget. No, this is an addition to the operating budget. And so we used to do like the Woodbury truck replacement fund for like 6,000 for so many years, we did that. And then it went to. Now it's like, now it's 17. And then that's a huge increase. Yep. And that's why we have a 28 year old truck, a 21 year old truck, a 20 year old truck and an 18 year old truck. Right. Because $6,000 wasn't enough to replace trucks. No. And that's why it's had to go up. I'm fortunate that, you know, you're, I mean, it's good that you're doing a capital plan now. It should have been done. It should have been done eons ago. And I know that's not your fault. But at the same time, it's really hard to swallow. Will the 31,000 go on and the 17,000 come off? Or does, is it cumulative? So it's the operating expenses, the 17,000 that we're currently spending on the truck. Right. Plus another 31,000. That's my understanding. That's yours. Because the 17 has already allocated to two loans. Okay. One for engine four and one for the rescue two. And then that will go away? That's not what it is. Exactly. Those are stopping six years or done paying on those loans. Except in six years the cost, the replacement cost of all those other trucks is going to go up by some percentage, which will skew your projection. Of course. Yeah. I can't tell you what a fire truck is going to cost for years from now. I don't imagine you guys don't know what a dump truck is in 20 years or so. John? Well, we've been kind of quietly discussing this over the last few years. It's like we're dead. We are supporting two fire companies and I think we're the only town in the state that does that. So we're paying a huge amount of money for fire coverage, fire and rescue. And at some level is it redundant when we have mutual aid, you know, if there's a house fire, a neighboring town show. And I appreciate your situation. I appreciate our long history. But when the Woodbury Fire Department started, there was a different time. You can get away with more things. I was talking about last week about Battschelder and Grady and those guys putting an oil tanker into service and welding a pump on there. Going around the corner almost flipping it. Oh yeah, both of them are gone. Yeah, I know that. You used to be on the Woodbury Fire Department. I was for just a few years until we had kids. But it's very different and I think it's a proportion of the budget. I know things inflate and things time change as a proportion of the budget. I would guess maybe I'm wrong and maybe you can prove me wrong, which would be helpful. But as a proportion of the budget, our fire service has just become huge from both companies and I think we need to reevaluate this two-town situation we find ourselves in. I think in 1960 and 64 and 68, even 20 years ago it made a lot of sense because it wasn't that much money and we get good service from you guys and we get good service from you some time earlier. But now it's gotten to a point where we're going to be seeing if the state has its way to 2.5 million dollars worth of school debt transferred from other schools because they're forcing our consolidation. So Calis is taking on 2.5 million dollars of other towns debt as part of the consolidation. We are getting hammered and as you all know, we were talking about this over the years, this dispatch thing, the dispatch was just incidental. That's gone now because we're paying all of that now. But what we have with these smart pillars, it's all built in and it's just become so, everything's gotten so expensive. And at the same time, people in our town like the people out in the state are getting older and they're retiring and if they're lucky their incomes are halved. Those are the lucky ones. But I would dare say many more when they retire or can't work anymore because they're physically unable to do so. They're in a crisis situation financially and, you know, so this is what's staring us down. And I don't know what the answer is quite frankly, but we're getting crushed up. I mean our fight right now with the current budget, Fire Emergency Services is 11% maybe more of our budget. And you add on what East Montpelier Fire Department asked for and what you guys are asking for. We held the line with East Montpelier Fire Department. And we're paying a bond for East Montpelier on top of that. That's included in that 11%. But it's a lot to ask the voters to swallow. It doesn't sound like much if you say it's so much per household or whatever but when you add on the increases in other areas that everybody's experiencing in every town they start to add up and people are just already saying they can't afford to live here. It's really, really, I don't really know what to tell you. I don't know if you have any other way to reduce this more. The cost of the truck is the cost of the truck. Right. I know. The only way to reduce this is not replace trucks which means we can't provide fire service properly. No, I get that. I know. I'm not over 30th. We had a fire call. We were the first truck there. We had four people with us. We had that fire knocked down in 11 minutes. But wasn't that right across the street from? No. That was up on the back road. Up on this road. Yeah. 11 minutes. That's due to good trucks, good training and great personnel. I know. You guys are awesome. We take the trucks out of the equation. We got great personnel sitting in the station. Right. I mean, and this is not because we don't respect and appreciate what you do but we have to think about the bottom line and the taxpayers. And this is kind of the same discussion we had with East Montpelier. Select board about the East Montpelier fire department. The same. It wasn't the same. It's really hard. That's fine. So you're suggesting put it on the budget the way it is and off to come to your town meeting? That's what you're saying? I guess we have to decide that if we're willing to put it on at that number. And that's what you're asking. Have we put refresh my memory, but we used to put the truck replacement fund as a separate article. Right. Right. And then eventually we just put it into the budget. Yeah. But now this is an exponential increase. Right. And for a completely different purpose. I mean, if you guys want to do the normal budget and what we normally submit the way you've done it and have me come and talk to the townspeople on town meeting time for the 31, we can do that. And that leaves it up to the townsfolk. If they don't want to do it, they're not going to do it. But if they're not going to do it, then I understand the pressure you guys are under. Oh, of course. We get it too. Hurry up. We have to bring this on the floor in Woodbury too. So we're not familiar with what we're doing. And it's no reflection. No. We don't take it that way. We don't take it that way. It's just, it is what it is. The trucks cost money. Yeah. Into the story. I mean, there's no state subsidy or federal subsidy. No, it's horrible. What is? No, that's the problem. It's ridiculous. They subsidize. Right after 9-11. Right after 9-11. It was all kinds of money for fire at least. And it's trickled off. I'm on hard-to-crescue. We had to buy a new ambulance. And the new ambulance has to come with a $45,000 stretcher. When I got the price tag, I was like, Stretcher has to have it. $45,000. Exactly automatically. Yeah, the one that goes up and down is like it's just passed out. But it's like, state EMS says you have to do it. So that raises a point for me. Has there been any thought or any discussion? I know. Registration. Concert, you know, kind of maybe partnering more with Hardwick for fire to get kind of a, so it's three instead of two towns. I mean, I don't know. I know like East Montpelier, for instance, it's a different district because I've asked this question over the years. Well, you're going to have EMS districts. But the fire district thing. We talked about East Montpelier about merging with you guys. Right. And you can't because it's different districts. Well, you can do anything. Yeah. You can do it. It's whether or not you can do it and have your fire stations within a reasonable amount of time, which is five miles from your properties. If what you're suggesting, if we went and joined Hardwick and said, you know what, we're going to be one. Hardwick would vary fire station down in Hardwick. That's great. My house is 5.2 miles. But no, but you would keep. It doesn't change the station. We still have the cost of the station, the cost of the trucks. We still have all the same cost. Right. There would be no difference. That's true. So you're saying you could merge with East Montpelier. There's no reason you could. It would be a long conversation, but there's no, there's no law that says you couldn't do it. We've been told over the years that you can't. Oh, in person told us. Because it's different districts or something. Well, I know in EMS districts, Woodbury's technically in district six, but because we have a Hardwick ambulance is our ambulance, we're in district four. And that's just an arbitrary line that state EMS drew. And I don't know who made that decision, but that's how it is. So we do EMS in Woodbury in district four, minimal amount of stuff in Calis, and we get to car accidents and things. But I don't think that that's not an insurmountable issue. As an issue is what I would think, you know. The same thing comes back into the equation with East Montpelier. How do you merge East Montpelier and Woodbury and not have the same fire stations, the same trucks, same cost? Because we can't put our fire station in East Montpelier with no trucks in Woodbury. So we still have to have all the same stuff. Well, yeah, but you might be able to share. Well, maybe East Montpelier gets rid of the old station. Well, there's a conversation that could be had in another station is the Woodbury station. Right. Yeah, I mean, over the years we've been led to believe that it's an impossible thing because it's two different districts. No one's ever approached us. I don't think it would be impossible, district-wise. I think the impossibility is you have to have the station within five miles of the properties. You're not within five miles of my house. But we are a lot of people's houses. We are a lot of people in Calis' house. But you would still be within five miles. It's not going to change. People's houses aren't going to move. No, I get what you're saying. Yeah, it's an interesting conversation. I've been involved in the whole Central Montpublic Safety Authority thing, which has been a real sticky wicket. But the same conversations being had is just that the execution looks really difficult. Yeah. Really, you have to think about it. I don't really see what would the cost savings be. And what you might have the equipment spread out so that... You still have to have two engines. You still have to have the rescue. What we do now in mutual aid benefits is because we have ice water rescue and you pick something someone else doesn't have. Hardwick has a ladder truck, so Woodbury doesn't. We've called the ladder truck to Calis' a few times. That's a ladder truck to town. So we all sit at the end of the line. I don't know. I just want to think of ways to go forward to make things working. If it was easy, we'd all do it. And we would have done it already or we would have known it already. For us, it's not an impossibility. It's a conversation I would entertain. You would entertain. It's being involved in that Barry Montpillier that's a real sticky wicket. If you've been keeping track of it. Dispatch is all entwangled in that. Like I said, it's not that we don't appreciate it. I don't read that from you at all. We knew this was a tough sell. It is a tough sell. We're all taxpayers too. I pay taxes too. And in Woodbury, it's twice the increase that it is for Calis. This as the $40,000 would represent about 1.2 cents for you guys. It actually does 2.5 for us. Because you have 700 less. That's valuable property. I guess that's the best. I don't know if that's the right words, but grand list size. It's a double hit for our town. Not my expertise. I'll be curious to see if it passes in Woodbury or Calis. We're in crisis mode. It's tough. Everywhere. We got hit with the force merger too. Yeah. We're in uncharted territory in Woodbury school ourselves. And who are you up to merge with? We have to merge with Hardwick, Standard, Greensboro, Crasperies and Limbo. Wilkets going towards Stowe. So we're all in like mode too. The exact same property we have. So town meeting will be interesting. It's all I'm going to say. We're all in uncharted territory. We are. Because we got who owns the property questions and what's going to happen. Lee. Yeah. All right. Anything else folks? So this is the budget. So the budget and the regular truck fund you're okay with. So you'll resend this without the I don't know. That's out of my... So it's a 2.3% Yeah we kept it down as low as we could keep it. Oh you got copies. No stickers on it. I got copies of this. I haven't got copies of this yet. But the bottom line... It's not much difference. How did you do that in October? Oh because he knows how to do this stuff. Isn't it disgusting? Oh you didn't just do that now. You did this a while. They did the Excel a little while ago and I took a guess at what the numbers would be and fortunately they were confirmed. So the biggest increase is the computer software. Thanks love. 112%. So this fundraising thing that's how much you hope to raise or that's how much it costs you to do a fundraising. Nope that's how much we try to raise every year and we usually use that for something like a gear dryer. Last year we bought a gear dryer. This year we raised just over 10,000 to put towards rescue 2 which is why we only asked for 7,000 for rescue 2 because we were going to focus our fundraising for that 10,000 on that. It was 10,006. That was the same. It's not completely done yet. So yeah, we try to raise 10,000 every year on that fundraiser. Sometimes we get close but most years we do... How much does it cost to have them do a fundraiser? 10,000. That's very effective for us. A lot of people I get a call if they don't get their letter. They're like where's my letter? Let's see the first year we did an E2 upgrade for our wildland fire truck and then last year we did the gear dryer so now we have... It takes a couple days to dry your gear once you get it clean which you have to do after every fire. So you've got that aesthetic gear sitting around wet for two days. It takes four hours. You hose your gear down now? We have a washing machine. We have a special one. I got a special watch back in mid-2000s. I got a grant for a washer extractor because of cancer. So as soon as it gets done a fire, our gear is treated like a hazard and it goes right in the... Especially that big fire we had on the 30th. We had two fires. We had lots of people. Double homicide. So everybody's gear when the wash. So let me ask this. There's a line item 131 one time equipment purchase of $10,000. That's where we spend that. That's where we spend the money for the equipment. That's the actual expenditure. So where does it... Because you've got the SCBA is on here. Where is that on here? When do you have to replace that? That's in our airpacks. So we have to do a cylinder replacement this year in 2019? The SCBA is on this. That's what I'm saying. Right now we don't have a program to replace our SCBA which is 15 years old now. So where is... So what are you asking us for for this? Is this the $4,500? I don't see anywhere on here that I can understand. The miscellaneous equipment is $90,000 replaces all 14 airpacks and the 14 additional bottles. But where is that on here? It's not on here. That's what I keep telling you. There's never been a capital replacement fund in the budget. They've never done this. This is something completely new. And we have to replace them. So part of the $31,000 is to replace the SCBA stuff as well. It's not this truck that's also our equipment. That's why we put that in there as a heavy duty price tag. I don't really figure that should go to the capital replacement as well. Yeah, they're expensive. They're absolutely necessary. I can't even go in a carbon dioxide detector. I locked out. I... When did we do the fit testing? July? August. The salesman was up to do our fit testing and make sure our masks fit properly and he was actually there. The new mask that Scott makes and it has a heat camera in it, an infrared camera and he wanted to get the new one which he has to pay $400 for all his demo models. So he sold me his demo model for $400 so he could get the brand new one. So I got the infrared camera in my mask which cost me $400 but... It saved your life. Because one of our struggles this year is our cylinders because the Department of Transportation will not let us test them anymore. They just arbitrarily said at 15 years you've got to throw it away. They're at $600 per cylinder times 24 cylinders so we have to figure out how we're going to pay for that. Is that on here now? Well we're going to have to pay for it either raise the money or dig it out of something. That's all in this. In this, whether we get the other money we have to buy these new cylinders next year and it's how much? They're around $600 per cylinder times 26 actually 25 sorry $600 $12,600 So we've got to raise that money $14,400 That's one of our half dues this year in 2019 because DOT won't let us... And they're called the air cylinders? Yeah, the SCBA air cylinders because DOT just arbitrarily said they've got 15 years even if they pass the test. You have 26 members, that's nice. No wait, it's tanks. Those tanks only give you if you're a really good breather 30 minutes and I got one, maybe two people that can get 30 minutes Most people get about 20 Any physical work? I'm about 21 on a tank But 15 to 12 Every member has one tank that they have on and they have a spare So that people can go back in So that's our challenge with our existing budget No, we got it So we understand So thank you for coming back Sure, so how would you like us to proceed Do you want me to actually send an article for the capital replacement fund to put in your book or how would you like to handle that? Or members? Do you want to put this on the warning? It's a separate budget item Yeah, it would be a separate warned item You need to go to that Yeah Ultimately I see this as it's a hard decision but it does impact lives and the people whose lives are involved are the ones who need to be empowered to make that decision And hopefully we get a good turnout so we can have a good discussion about it and you'll be coming Yeah, I'll come Tim, if you guys put it in the budget that way you'd have somebody to respond to any questions but if you're going to do a separate article then yeah, I'll come myself that way we can have a discussion with whoever wants to talk about it And Woodbury is putting it on there It will be, yeah Alright, so when do you need that? A page for the town report I'll be sending, yeah what's the date by the and I need the email address that I'll get my chief report and the calls The date was the 7-10 Why didn't you get that? Judy, you can send it to me Okay, when? Because I won't be able to close the numbers out until January 1st Is that going to be okay? I'll have it to you the first week in January We'll probably be sending it to the graphic artists and maybe she can Because I won't have the final numbers But I'll This is reflecting on 2018 Right, because I can write my chief's report I've just been not able to do it for a couple of weeks here The chief's report that doesn't have to have numbers though, right? No, I can do that without the call number As soon as you can get that Yeah, I usually like to close out the year and then give you here's what we did last year Because I don't agree, they don't have to send it in the middle of January for printing You need it sooner We either with everything and have a graphic artist I'll get to the article for this I'll get it to you in the next week and a half Is that going to be okay? Whoever you send it to Whoever you send anything to, we share If I get it by the middle of next week, is that going to be okay? I'm just trying to set a realistic goal for me 100% yeah Okay, thank you I didn't realize it needed it already Okay I've been a little I've been a little It's online Perfect Thank you Thank you very much Wait to see this doctor Wait to see that doctor I'm moving right along Thank you, y'all have a good Christmas Thank you Thank you You've got stuff to do Thank you very much Can I clarify Will the capital replacement be the only part that goes as a form of And not their operating budget Not the current operating That will continue to be in your budget Right It's the new request to Establish a capital Equipment replacement fund Alright Alright, so The warrants are there Waiting for anybody to start If you can nose up Anybody who wants to Just one of those Katie brought cookies If you want to pass the land on Oh boy Did you make them all Yeah No, they're from the post office cafe It was one of our favorite places What is post office cafe I mean downtown Worcester Beautiful downtown Worcester Downtown Worcester Everyday 7-11 It's lovely Isn't that nice, I can't remember When I was in Worcester You don't get out much Call us to the hospital Call us to the hospital That's how we talk about insurance Ladies, would you like to join us Sandra has put together Spreadsheets about the insurance I already have one Look at all those yelling things Alright It's right behind the post office In the Worcester village Let's put together A very time intensive But it's on it The top sheet is the current And then She did some investigating And came up with some other Options Sandra, why don't I let you Explain The top sheet Of the medical insurance Comparison package Is what our Current medical Insurance benefit is for The six full-time employees It is a Blue Cross Blue Shield Gold Plant Stacked deductible Plan The Current division Of Premium 95% town And 5% Employee And you can see The breakdown of the premium For Single to person and family That's what we Have Here At this time in Call us Take a note Of the total healthcare premium That's the number we're really Looking at That's kind of on the left That 100,000 610,04 So that's the cost Of the plan For calendar year 18 Keep in mind That Blue Cross Blue Shield Is on a calendar year And we are on a fiscal year So we do the best we can To The year I researched Your budget construction Last year and I would Remind the select board That The budget line For health insurance Reflects only premiums Not HRA contributions That town Offers Which for $1,000 for Employee So the Topic For the comparison To make our comparisons Apples to apples we're really Going to be talking about premiums And then we'll talk a little About the HRA contribution So if you flip Your first sheet over The equivalent 2019 plan Cost premium wise Roughly 3% More than what we What the equivalent plan For 2018 cost One thing to keep in mind This is a These are plans with $850 deductibles It's a 70-40 plan So the first $850 Of Covered medical expenses Are deductible And thereafter The covered Percent pays 30% Of covered expenses And the plan pays 70% So on the Toward the right hand side You're going to see employee Out-of-pocket liability The liabilities Were the out-of-pocket maximum Yearly out-of-pocket maximum Per employees Is $12,100 So the liability For all employees Except for our single employee Is $8100 annually That's per person That is per employee And is that If somebody has two person or family coverage Does each person have to meet that $8100? Well under a Stacked deductible plan The Person one must meet the $4,700 deductible And then that Next $4,700 deductible Has to be met by any combination Of the rest Of the members Covered in that family So that Before the plan will pay 100% Of the Covered medical expenses So what that means is Out-of-pocket Is But if you Would you say $4,700 per person? Well it's $4,700 It's $4,700 plus The prescription That comes to $9,400 not $8,100 No The $12,100 includes The medical deductible plus A prescription deductible So I've lumped that In together There are two out-of-pocket Maximums One is for medical Benefits and one is for Prescription benefits So that $12,000 is a combination Of both On your Top sheet You're going to read stacked deductible Out-of-pocket maximum of $12,100 I thought we were on the other page But it's the same These plans are The second page is The 2019 equivalent of what we have Of what we currently offer Correct So Of what we currently offer The increase is a 3% Increase The page 3 Is the same plan again With an aggregate deductible The Out-of-pocket liability For the employee Goes up However Any combination Of family members May meet the medical Description deductible But anybody can meet it Or any combination They're not holding anybody's Speed to the fire Stacked deductible is harsh It's a little bit cheaper So this plan Is for the most part And we're only talking about premiums It's level-funded It's $40 or $50 More per year Well Like $50 $75 It's a little bit more $75 more For the whole workforce So it's essentially A level-funded It's level-funded But the employee's Out-of-pocket expenses Is higher It's not my favorite plan Which one? The next In the last sheet Page 4 It's in green Is a gold-planned CDHP When I spoke with Blue Cross Blue Shield Because the town Is contributing To the HRA deductible This was their recommended plan Based on What the town has done historically So This is a little more complicated Because I wanted to One, this is a plan That I favor But two, I Wanted to give a couple of options If we're looking at A 95% split The total health premiums Are $95,700 Which is a $5,000 Reduction to What we have budgeted For 2018 The reason, one of the reasons But it's almost $8,000 Different from what we've seen Well, you know Is that what you want? Three, six Well, I'm just looking to compare What is budgeted this year So we can see A difference An increase or a decrease Over one year's budget To the next So we would Save roughly $5,000 And the reason I favor this I have a couple of reasons for favoring this plan One of the reasons is That because we did not For the select board last year We did not budget for any HRA contributions They strictly budgeted you All strictly budgeted for premiums We are going to go over budget In FY19 Because that money Is not in the budget Is that an error? I don't know But I can tell you that is what it is Because I think it was Based on Whatever figures Were we told that There was already enough money In the HRA that was untouched There was money in there You didn't need to make a contribution to the HRA It already has $4,000 in it or something $4,000 seems to be my memory And it hadn't been being used much So it was enough So we didn't Require anything I wanted to go back To see What you are saying is Currently there is no money In the HRA? No Currently there is $202 In the HRA Over the last six years The average Based on the notes That I have seen Is what is the average HRA use So the average HRA use Was $10,000 With this year's use It has popped up to $11,166 That's your average Per year So How much was in this years? You opened your year With about $5,200 FY19 opened with $5,200 In it But I have already deposited Another $6,000 Into The HRA Since July To cover Our claims experience During this last six months So the trick is Or the Thought you might have Is your population of employees Has probably changed Over the last six years With singles, families Your choice of policies Has probably changed So deductibles Are different With regard to your policies And even what policies cover now As opposed to what they covered then It's a very difficult It is not really It's a very difficult apples to apples Comparison Your premiums are Is a standard comparison Your usage of The claims usage Your claims history Those are tricky Because you don't have the same number You have the same number Of employees But you don't necessarily have the same number Of dependents per employees Over the last six years Which again affects The HRA usage Family is anything more than two persons? Yes So you can have five people Yes, same premiums, same deductible So This Gold plan CDHP Does give us $5,000 In immediate reduction Of your monthly premiums So that is A possible Way to control the cost Going through the end of FY19 You're going to have usage We're seeing usage Of these premiums But I think it would help Mitigate The budget Overage By dropping that premium If you didn't change the Employee share Still 5% I did a scenario At 90 At 9010 The town's premiums Are $90,000 So we say We're 10% down Over or under Last year Again, that gives An additional little pad Toward our FY19 budget To help us not go Over budget So those are the premiums What I like about this plan Is if the town does A contribution of $6,000 per employee And $3,000 for this Single plan The employee's liability Goes down to zero They have no out-of-pocket liability Which I think, frankly, Given our Wages Nobody's making $100,000 A year here With an $8100 possible Out-of-pocket liability Your salaries are what we are In a town So I Simply state that for you As part of your consideration What I see Is that The increases And what I Would say the comparison now Would be To the blue page The weekly employee portion On the blue page If we stay with the equivalent plan That we have now If you take a look At The weekly employee portion And we'll use me, we'll use I have a family plan It's $21.86 per week At a 10% contribution I'm kicking in Right, because the town is Putting up more HRA money It does go up It's $20 more For so a week But For my Contribution to my premium But from my standpoint And may I speak for you From Judy's standpoint Well, we've talked about this That $20 extra A week Saves us $8100 In liability And it is A good investment I have taken up the conversation I don't know that it is Exactly in my Job description, but I have Taken up this conversation Very superficially with the highway I can't say There was an enthusiastic response But there was an invitation To see the numbers And if the Select board thinks that's a good idea I think we should Bring a representative From the highway If we're going to talk about it We should invite all the highway I think The information might get filtered And each one Might have their own I'm happy to As part of that I'm happy to talk Through this spreadsheet And I would say This to the select board Again I'm wearing a treasurer's hat And obviously I'm wearing an employee's hat So And that's That And I'm trying to keep the lines As separate As possible Who wouldn't want to not have any liability Who wouldn't want to not have any liability And I would Make sense to me So what I see is I feel I can save the town $10,000 if we go within $90,000 I only come up with a savings of $48,000 Are you on the green page? Yeah, I'm on the annual town portion $95,000 Look at the 90% Down at the bottom $90,000 That's 90% So you're saving, again, getting back You're saving more than $10,000 For next year because it was going to go up $3,000 You're saving $13,000 Over what we would be spending But we also have to put some money in the budget For FY20 for the HRA So what I'm suggesting is this We don't want sticker shots To any one of your budget items We're not getting used to sticker shots Well, I'm not Getting used to sticker shots at all I still... Some things still take my breath away I would not cancel us Trying to Fund our HRA account All in one shot That is not what is sensible At this point in time What I would suggest is We get a $10,000 To hull a respite Or $5,000 Or $7500 For the next six months Right off of our FY19 budget Because our premiums go down Immediately So that helps us save Our FY19 budget For, no, for not having any HRA money You don't have any time on this This is like now I was supposed to come last week I was pretty ill And also There were so many other things on the agenda I asked to come tonight So I'm sorry that this feels pressure What's the Too late date? December 31st So we need to move on this We're meeting on December 27th We can have a... You're going to be on FaceTime Or Facebook or whatever My face will be on there His face will be on there Facewhite Facewhite What I Would recommend that the select Would think about is this I would recommend that we Go forward and we Budget for FY20 The same as we budgeted For FY19 Plus an extra $5,000 or $6,000 And that Will help To bring our HRA Account more in line And what I would suggest we do Since we're on the fiscal year And Blue Cross Blue Shield is on a calendar year It's really not all that tricky In July You move half of your HRA money Into your account and in January You move the other half of your HRA money into your account It may not work because we're not fully funded But at least we're trying To get there And so that's what I would recommend I don't recommend showing A decrease in premiums At all. Everybody knows These premiums are not going down It's just a silliness To show that we're able to Do a premium savings But then we're just shooting ourselves In the foot by going over budget Without an HRA piece of this At this point in time So that's what I would throw out To you guys. So health and dental In FY19 we budgeted 45 362 So this year If you take a look at your Select board worksheet It says pending But the dental is Pretty much identified It's not going up by much I just added 3% They don't have their budget Filled together for FY They're on a fiscal year too So they're not They don't have anything for them yet So dental would be With general government It's 890 plus the health And for highway So you still have Staff meetings on Wednesdays? Yes So you can meet with the staff Next Wednesday And then in preparation For the select board meeting I think we just tell them how It's fear of change So it sounds like This is in their interest Overwhelming interest Continue this meeting to Wednesday morning If you're available to join Cliff and I Because Cliff and I generally meet with The office staff and then we have the town hall Before that I don't know what the weather report is for Wednesday At the end of the day I think This is a support decision And we just do it But I think doing it without Talking to them first I know But at the end of the day we're Jammed up here I think we just Pretty much decided to do it I mean I like this Green one I mean sometimes people can't See it until they See it and it's like in their face That they got this $8100 Bill that they got to pay Because of this, that and the other thing That could really devastate Some people You know financially Or fear of using the plan Well that's the deal Because of the plan Any kind of works across purposes If you get less and less healthy So you're suggesting that we Because the highway Health piece The total Is what you have on these sheets But it's divided between the office And highway, right? The total town portion 90% In the mid part of that column You see highway 90% It's 52, 769 Yeah And then down at the Going down that same column You see a total GG 90% It's 37, 972 58 Pardon me? General government So your total 90% is 90,742 742, 36 And I bring that to your attention That's one of our largest budget Items so it's important That I think we really Look at it as carefully as we can And try and balance The interest of the town The interest of the employees Since I've been on it I remember Has always tried to do the best we can By the employees with good coverage Because it's a benefit That, you know If you need it, you need it And we don't want people to not Have, I mean other towns have done Other things they don't Necessarily give us good Health and benefit and that's been really hard I know the office staff understands it The highway department Has a harder time I think understanding and appreciating What this really means for them But we do have different people on there now So that maybe We'll see the benefit Everybody uses this insurance For what it's worth I get a breakout every Month And I'm able to Break out the usage, not per person But for highway And for general government And we're all on there What Is this what it's widely used then? Is that what you're saying? Yes So everyone's staying healthy And taking care of themselves and their family And that's when that's what we want Right What the Current policy we have The thing about it is If you go to a Doctor or specialist It's a $30 for a specialist And $15 for a doctor's appointment And the contribution That the town makes of that $4,000 To the HRA It was more than generous It's more than enough We wouldn't even need that much But it's the hospitalization The ER And all of the tests Whether they are done in the hospital Or on an outpatient basis That's what get you And the reason I started Of course it's part of the job But this summer my daughter had a Pretty terrible gastrointestinal event And There was one little Vile Of a substance That had to have various tests It was $2,400 For these various tests Of which the insurance The HRA contribution Paid I believe it was $1,700 And it made me Kind of look at what The coverage really was Because that one event My family of four Chewed up Almost half Of what my Out-of-pocket expenses would be So it really Made me look very hard At our various options And I feel Very strong that this is For us For who we are And what our income levels Are That this is a good plan for us Plus Your largest portion of this The premium Is one of the lowest Is a low premium What you're gambling on Or should I say What you're guesstimating on Is the HRA usage Obviously we haven't done it Well you've done That one that Really does change With many, many variables Across time That's a tough one With the highway crew I think we don't even do this Purple one I think we lay out The proposed change Educate them I think it should be I really think To come to the meeting That this is an educational Presentation We are going We are moving forward with this This is not a negotiation session We can just start But this is about educating you You actually come out better And they're not getting any younger I think there are people out there That might appreciate it In terms of that Well we can present this The plan we're going with And here Are the changes We have enough Not that they Not that an employee cares But the general budget overall You have your budget worksheet You can see each individual Component Of your budget has a total And for the most part Every total is up In FY20 FY19 There is just not that many places Where we have savings This is one place Where we can have savings And I will tell you As an employee I had to say Why does the But At the 95 The employee gets all the benefit The town really gets The town gets nothing You're putting up the $33,000 You have the HRA Contribution The employee's premium cost Per week goes down Over this year But it won't If we go to 9010 But it just seems that Because you're not covering All of our exposure But now you are And it just seems A fair meeting As a fair trade off So it makes sense to me I know On the GG side We're in support We're in support of the 9010 Do you have anything to say about this? I'm just very grateful for Sandra Doing this research Because I think I was Not aware of my Exposure I think that's huge For me that would be huge As an employee With me so bad enough You have to worry about the financial piece On top of it That really can affect people Negatively health wise To be worried about that Well I think I will say this This is a very generous package And whether it is acknowledged On all fronts is irrelevant I can tell you just by Speaking with our accountants And speaking with our numeric Consultant that this is a fair More than fair Generous package And I don't know What the response will be But I think honestly It is in everyone's Best interest I think this is a good deal All the way around Even though it costs a little bit more So the kickback you're going to get Is the raises aren't necessarily Going to cover the increased costs In the Contribution to the benefit And VMware's is going up Not only on the employer side But on the employee side as well So I need to At least introduce to you Whether there's Enough Sophisticated analysis That's going to happen On the highway side Or the general government side There are Mandatory increases in deductions And pay is just Not simply going to That's how we go All these people that come to us and want All this extra money Where would you want to say something Holy mackerel That's what you wanted to say Did you get that? H-O-L-Y Fesh Mackerel I appreciate your work This is very helpful I think you did a great job And I'm in favor of the green page Yeah We'll call it the green page I just think everybody wins I think everybody Gives a little like everybody gets a little I really think we should Decide on this tonight So that you're not put in this situation Of negotiating And we can move forward with this Next week And I know that You might think it's softening the globe I think if you start with This is what's on the table And it's still in flux I think you set them up For getting hangrier at us And I don't disagree with you I think we're going to end up here anyway I mean it was on the agenda It was on the agenda And this is fully within our court That's what we do And we have always been The most generous town of any town I know And I've been beating the drum To keep these guys funded at the level Both on their beamers And gals On their healthcare I didn't like the cost shifting Of healthcare Other people's salaries But every once in a while We get to play catch up I think so And you guys think so Or better than they are now Even Isma player doesn't offer As good of a healthcare package Is what we do I think if the employees were all Maybe single And in their 20s They would have reason to Maybe object but I think Given the state of the age The agedness of our Employee workforce They're older by the minute They're all over 30 That's a nice way to put it They are In the 40s When you really start to circle the drain Growing up 40s is when It really starts to kick in Like oh I can't do that anymore Right Well there's old sports That's because you're out of your room Kids playing hockey And then people getting old In the same family There's a lot of risk in there Old people playing hockey That's even worse I don't know What do you guys think About picking something tonight I would be in favor of You know Supporting this green page This I guess we should call it what it's supposed to be It's the I do not know what it says On those words that's how they C-D-H-E Abrogate That's the official name That is the official On their Enrollment sheet Plan name When would this be effective January 1 So we would I would need to coordinate both with Blue Cross Blue Shield And then the Health equity Outfit administers the H-R-A We would also need to update Our contract with them So we don't have I just have one more question Before we do this We don't have a line item In our budget For H-R-A is that Because I just assumed at some point It was tucked into that Particular line item And then I was I know how I did it when I was We were on a calendar year And of course this is on a calendar year But we tucked in our H-R-A Payment of amounts Right into the budget line And then when the budget here Which budget line item The health insurance line So you didn't have a separate line And then when the Again we did a journal Entry and transferred money From the Operating account Into the H-R-A account And that's how we managed that And theoretically, ideally That's the way you would want it to be And it was like that Your initial deposits Into your H-R-A Were $18,000 In 2012 And 2013 And that covered a lot For a long time It covered a lot We always had extra money And if we were doing our Anyway, what are you recommending For or what do we need to put in For FY20 into the H-R-A How much? I would say You just put $6,000 That's only to get us through To the end of June I would say we want to I'm not prepared with that number At the moment But I think I was focusing more On presenting the plan My thought was that One, we would level fund the premium Right? We'd carry forward the premium Understanding that these premiums Are lower And then I would say add an extra $5,000 So that there is Something there to draw So we would keep In FY20 proposed $45,000, $362,000 And add $5,000 to that amount Making it $50,000, $362,000 For a total In the proposed FY20 Well That is the theory Because For GG, right Part of that 45 Was Dental So I would want to Back out those numbers And give you that number specifically I'm sorry But I wasn't thinking of it I just wanted to have it straight in my mind How this was going to work I think that would be your best way Because your dental went up a little bit I just threw in a 10% increase You say 5,000 For GG Is it the same? 5,000 for highway and 5,000 for GG I just want to make sure I understood it In my brain And then you have a little something A little something When it gets deposited Does it all go into one Lump amount Or when there's usage Does it come out of This is highway, this is GG So that's a good question We have a separate HRA account That health equity draws from The vendors or to repay For costs that we have fronted So what they'll do On the 15th of the month They send me a Sheet that shows What they're going to take out on the 17th So for this month it was $1264 in some odd sense And it actually itemizes By employee What those amounts were So I'm able to So I'm able to segregate Highway money from GG money And what I will do Is I will post That HRA withdrawal To your budget Health insurance Line Whether it's GG or highway So now this month we had $500 Let's just round it up $500 in your account But they took out $1264 something So I needed to take $1,000 from our Operating fund Move it into the HRA account To cover that withdrawal That was going to happen by 12 o'clock tonight And then All of this is kind of done in the back door And then do the Book it between The general government and highway So that it's In that way So now we have $200 in that account So now we're going to have to put money in again We'll split it in half Yeah it's So you know that's where we find ourselves At this point and maybe we'll find Ourselves in a different place As we get to the end of FY20 but again it's Just simply We already see how difficult It is to catch up So we can't catch up all at once It's too painful We're going to try and do our best To catch up a little bit at a time And let's see if this strategy Well this is a recommended strategy You can have any strategy you want With regard to your HRA contributions But this seems Let's try this and see if this Is a little If this works in a Better And note to selves Just to be honest It's always Always learn as we go I did ask The Blue Cross Blue Shield representative Who I spoke with If this was a fly by night plan Because the premiums were Really attractive And she said no this plan has been around And as far as they know It's a plan that's going to stay in place Do we know other plans that are using this I don't Alright so John you were going to make a motion So I would move that The Board approve The town Moving its employees On to the Blue Cross Blue Shield Gold plan CDHP aggregate deductible With the Premium split Being now 80% Being a town's portion And 10% being The responsibility of the employees Effective Effective Well this is January We need to get this It's effective tonight because we need to The decision is affected tonight The plan goes into effect But the decision is effected right now I'll second that Is there any further discussion Comments Alright Please say hi Hi Thank you very much Thank you Did you find any other savings Fire department Federal grants Floating around that no one seems to want When you wish that were the case We've got ourselves And as they're Speaking A situation is not Really far off the mark From where they find themselves But You really just can't catch up all At one time And you have to strategize And try and figure out well let's try This and let's try that So I don't know That we'll save that line Item but I think You've gone a long way to Mitigate that Line Thank you Tomorrow Nice job Alright So let's look at The rest of the budget Judy Did you Stay first If there's any budget questions So here we go We're getting close I'm curious to get All these numbers filled in Are the bottom line from this year To last year And see what the percentage increase is Can I say something No When we take a look At our bottom lines Which on your Select board budget worksheet That's page 11 Let's make a note To ourselves That we're going to take out Of the GG budget For $1000 That we had originally tough To end for The Woodbury fire department And that's fine where that is Oh That's on page number 5 And we're going to Remove that So as you look at these So we don't put that in there Until it gets voted on Right that would not be It's an article So when you look at your bottom lines On page 11 You're going to want to Plus that $1,534,551 You're going to put in Plus $40,000 Minus Yes Minus Minus $40,000 From the 153 But the 153 doesn't include These health insurance amounts That's why I wanted to be sure If anybody's doing a quick Excel spreadsheet That you remind yourselves That $40,000 comes out That gives some room In the budget for what's coming The one Because we still don't have In the East Montpelier numbers And you know what? That's basically it That's really pretty much Where do you have the East Montpelier numbers? I thought they had to go back In their pencils on that Did I mistake Bruce Johnson Did a He was supposed to do a letter He was supposed to do a letter Which I haven't seen yet But he did redo that spreadsheet That sheet that showed I'll have to send it to you I'm sorry I didn't I thought I did I thought I had the first one And I thought it Let me see if I actually So that's the only Gap for me Oh and the Twinfield Senior Center has yet to Come in Virtually every group Is level funded One group asked for more So far You were going to go through that List and let me know Which ones to change on the morning Yeah and you have it In your budget Worksheet it's on pages Seven and And I am pretty sure they are going to ask To be level funded because they're late They don't have time to petition for Twin Valley So otherwise we have Everybody in Yeah So everybody That was on this list Is still on it for the same amount Except Home health and hospice is $400 up You mean they want $3,600 now? Yes There's only one group that went up That was the home health and hospice And then Circle actually went down Remember that was Moved up By discussion For $700 That's all they asked for They leveled The proposal to go up And the voters went up I'm grateful that they didn't ask for $4,000 This year I think they might have been surprised And so that also Just as Curiosity I tapped in and Oh wait community action Where's community action They decided not to ask for anything They're not asking for anything I tapped in A Hubbard library because They are level funding themselves And still isn't something That's always management Correct But you have it on your Warning as an article So for purposes of this Budget sheet it either needs to come Out of the budget so it sits In the warning or it comes Out of the yellow warning And sits in your budget So what do you guys think I mean they're not asking for more money Do we want to put it on as a warned item Who is Jessica Kelly Hubbard I mean typically we put it on as a Warning You had a comment Just that We've had two special meetings about it Every single year we have the same debate The debate is always In the same way I'm wondering if at this point It could be in the budget And then if someone wants to stand up And isolate it they can But once it's isolated it becomes A debate that we've had In this town And a good debate but With always the same conclusion It always the same players It gets people educated If we want to There's new people in town So that's kind of like The great fire department They're going to get educated on The big dollar items they're going The only benefit of Cooling it out of the budget Is it makes your budget more of an Apples to apples comparison Because it wasn't in your budget last year It was an article It's really your I don't It's whatever you want to do But at some point you shouldn't let me know Yeah and maybe people are used to that And maybe even the voters themselves Are tired of debating it That being said I think this whole Budget and the worn items Are all going to be looked at a lot harder This year What's going on with hack 46 I would strongly recommend We keep it as a worn die down Yeah I agree Yeah and the school meeting is going to be first So hopefully there will be Some discussion about hack 46 At the school People can bring it up They can bring anything up Under a new business right It's not on the agenda 10 p.m So for your budget now Now you have an extra $67,000 We do but we really know You do but you don't But when you're comparing To the next It is a closer comparison And It is a more real I think Comparison because then you can add Your articles Your social service numbers Are Warned as well But they just haven't Really changed But at least we see that We've pulled the long covered out On it used to be Listed as one of the social services Many many years ago we pulled it out And made it a separate item Because it created so much Conversation And people didn't really have a problem With some of these other numbers But it was always a covered library And I think they're prepared to always Come and talk about it Who knows with hack 46 you're right Maybe you're fresh looking at that How are we going to schedule The school meeting Well I don't even know what the school meeting Have you seen anything from them No we don't usually Get their warning till January I think we just It's sensible to allocate more time This year Or have them Afterward it's not like People aren't going to show up this year I think having the school meeting first This year is a good idea Because the hack 46 stuff Will come up Before we do our budget Or it could Or it could work the reverse way And anyways We usually meet With the school board people So I'm going to have to see So line by line I guess We talked about Wage increases And Judy had recommended 2.7 And added An extra 70 hours Per year Is that that right Judy Only because that reflects what I actually work Okay And so the new proposed FY 20 budget The town clerk Goes from 38, 377 What do you want 06 to correct Mathematically yes Yeah That's what Then there's reality And then we have An increase From 8,6500 To 19 For the assistant town clerk First page Page one That's the bottom Green Well that might be shocking to you If you look at FY 18 Your budget was $15,000 You didn't use it all And in FY 19 It was budgeted Even below Your usage Actual usage in FY 18 I don't know what the Thinking was behind that but We didn't have an assistant I don't have an assistant at the time So we save a little money there Yeah because we had the town administrator Oh right Okay So we're looking to Increase Barbara's hours To 16 hours per week Does that When you're talking about What does she work now 12 hours Now 16 So we're hoping to increase it to 20 as Assistant town clerk You're hoping You want to keep it at 16 plus Hours to cover your vacations So she's working at 16 hours A week right now The way you found the money for that Is when Jonathan resigned That budget You took it out of that Select board administrator That plus your extra audit Plus The select board Assistance money All added up to that 35342 That's where you found that money So we're looking at 19 For FY 20 Land record Okay we don't Not to go down this path but After we're all done After January February We should revisit that health insurance incentive If we have Employee whose spouse is Also eligible for health insurance With their employer that Cafeteria plan Whatever but if we Provide an incentive for them to Go with the other We provide some level of reimbursement To incent Save us money We started that conversation And Jonathan was That was one of his work items And he left to kind of get a table So we should revisit that If there's anyone out there Employee that has that option You'll need to probably take a look At your employee Your personnel policy That might be You might need to address that in there And there seems to be some other legal Scaffolding around A cafeteria plan And I Did a bunch of lay work on it And did not get very far with trying To get a hold of people at the state level But it's not Alright so Index digitization Of index cards We received the proposal today From COT And they are willing to finance it over three years And I need to sit down with Sandra and just Over the phone he said there were three options But on paper it looked like there were two options And he basically said Ignore one option Because it didn't make any sense Are they just financing Or are they just out Invoicing us over three years What they really need to do Is they need to do the work up front The first year And then I invoice it over three years Is there an assessment for that five minutes It looks like There's an extra 900 I don't have the figures right in front of me They added a cost of 900 Per year And yet they reduced The monthly fee from 100 to 25 So there's sort of some Going around It didn't make sense Because it was reduced to 25 on both options And one option Had an extra $1,900 And one option had Was less $1,900 And then there was an initial OIV Which I did And there's a lot of alphabet soups I know what you put it on there What the differences are It's You know the index cards With all the land records It's best practice now To have that scanned And have it be searchable Online rather than just If anything ever happened to those We would have no way to Know how to find anything And also people Lawyers, researchers And this is one of the reasons Why last We approved a purchase From the technology fund For this computer Because what's happening is They would have to use Judy off the computer or Barbara Just today I had two people Requests like why don't you have this It's become just almost What they expect when walking to a town Is to have a searchable Laptop And this is My only question is Would it be cheaper To get a loan for $30,000 At a reduced Interest rate than to have them Finance it $30,000 Both of them I don't know why the schedule of payments Adds that $980 He sort of said well that's kind of like Interest But it's all this Why would we pick that option We pick The second option And there was an option where they actually did the work Three years out but that means Or they do it over a period of time Which would make no sense because I'd be adding I'd have to be making notations in those cards And it would change before they had a chance to scan it Is that what OIB means? What does OIB mean? See in your second option Where it's 10, 10, 25 a month and 10 OIB means online index books Oh So they're just describing what they're doing Thank you Would it that other $980 That's 18, 1960 That is Where are we On the first option That's 10, 9, 80 I didn't understand that Invoice out one year out Invoice two years out is the same amount So you pay When you sign the contract in June Of 2019 And then you pay the 10, 9 The next year So they're adding like $18, $1900 Interest For the favor Of paying it over three years But if you pick option two They don't add that in And it looks like it's the same thing We don't think they do it less It looks like it's the same thing So I can get back to him with these questions One is based upon Invoicing the year out from Go Live The other is based upon Invoicing The year out from Project Initiation So when they start working Versus when they flip the switch And say, okay, you've got Your records online now So that would be a year So it might not be until a year out That goes live Exactly So when they do the second option They get that a year from when they started So They don't flip the switch for a year And we pay $20,000 This is common in A lot of IT Archiving type projects And whatnot where they talk about Go Live versus Implementation Of the project So they start working on it but the Go Live Doesn't happen for like a year out The reason they want to charge you This $980 each time Is because they're having to put Some of their money up front All of their money up front So we have to calculate What that rate of interest is We'll see what that comes out to And it might make more sense too Is there any grants for any of this Or just that But I mean certainly I don't think that you'd want to contract with this company And give them $30,000 And wait for them to do the work You know So right That's what initially they wanted Was the $30,000 and then how long Would it take them to do the project To get it to go live A matter of months I mean just they'd have to Stamp things in sections Most of you get a half foot front And then half of the time they finish The state did have All up front The previous governor I think he lost how many millions $39 Something like that Well, okay so let's Proceed and see where we end up Unless we want to create a reserve fund Where we just kind of accumulate it And then we initiate it when we have enough money But I know you'd like to get some of it You want to do this while you're still working here It would be nice And there's always a risk factor If there was something I lost Something like that It's irreplaceable I think we keep putting everything Off and try to save money We don't save We just have to do it But we'll only be more money later Because there will be more records And more We're not going to be adding any index cards Our residents will only be older Unless they're able to afford it Let's do everything while they're working I'm serious It may just stick around Yeah So we're leaving the 10 in Mr. Maps R.J. Turner Okay, the treasurer wages The big increase on that is Pushing that up to 40 hours a week From 32 So The existing rate Your hourly rate is 2284 With the COLA 62 cents Brings it up to 2346 Times 52, right? You gotta put the The merit increase in first We haven't specifically Set on a merit increase But that was just something To throw in there Was the merit increase pre-cola Or post-cola Time of the year are we giving it I don't know Raises usually go into effect July 1st COLA's going in I think we still have to talk about The percentage of merit increase The merit increase is Post-cola Pre-cola We're going to get the merit increase in this fiscal year Okay What I was hearing There's not enough I guess either way How this budget starts July 1 Right? That's July 2019 Right, the proposed And we only budgeted 38,000 in FY19 We did I got 2392 2393 With the 2391 You budgeted 38,000 I think Again My best guess is Because you had a full-time Select Board Administrator That would do things like HR HR and Grants and HR Right Yeah, that was the plan So Donna was At that point Donna was working In FY18 40 hours a week That was what her wages were based on Because you didn't have a full-time Select Board Administrator And that person came on We only budgeted 36,000 in FY18 But we spent 54,000 54,000 So we want to make sure that we budget Accurately I guess we've got to Take Barbara's name off the town Honorier line They won't be on there anyway No, no, I know, but just for Anything else jumps out Anybody Well, I had a question about Yeah, that's right If you're working 40 hours Under the treasurer's Wages Wait a minute See, if I had a question If you're working 40 hours Under the treasurer's Umbrella What about the delinquent tax collector 10,000 Yeah, so that's an addition That's what I presented when I did I had no delinquent taxes to collect It was $2,500 left So, essentially, they were all on agreements The onboarding Of Nimrick was all but done We still have some Pieces to go So that left me Doing basically just treasurer's Work And what it was coming down to is Making me more than 32 hours a week To do the job that I was hired to do Plus the additional Work that I took on When Jonathan left It was no longer Which was HR and grants And a town report And all of that business So the job As described It's just bigger than It was when I was hired And there was no We did not Talk about that There was no way to really gauge that Until As it so happened The delinquent taxes were done And the Nimrick was onboarded So once those were out of the way I could see what my job Really took to do You're paying me for the extra time To do the delinquent taxes We have $175,000 Right now that have to be collected Or some rough number approaching that So that's Extra I can tell you what it takes to do the town Treasurer's work Because there was no other Extra projects to do That's when I came to the board to say This is what it really is And that makes sense It was really 40 hours And that makes sense Because Donna did not collect delinquent taxes And she worked a 40-hour week But she also Until Jonathan was starting to take on HR But she was also doing HR and grants At 40 hours a week That's exactly right So my job is more like Donna's job At the And I'm doing all your tax works Of work I am filing All of your tax returns Issuing your W-2s And I-D-9s Which you paid Accountants' World Or your father's home at Sakali So my Job Is Donna's job Plus the part time delinquent Taxpayer work Is it too much? No But right now I have to tell you I'm trying to confine myself as much as possible At 40 hours a week And still be honest With what you need of me To do And I try to stay to that Yes, that is true I just want to point out too that There was changes with Donna being Time clerk and treasurer And then she first one year I think she was just treasurer But all that time I was really acting as assistant treasurer I was doing a lot of the You know, more routine kinds of things She would do more of the research And projections and things like that And how many hours a week did you work then? As assistant time I worked 32 hours As assistant time clerk So I was really acting as both Assistant time clerk and assistant treasurer I was doing a lot of I inputted all the tax Virtually all the tax bills So right now we don't have anybody Assisting I know that my family later But when we're assessing how much work she's doing But I just wonder We're looking at maybe three to four hours A week of an assistant treasurer Is that realistic? If I'm working 40 hours a week And there's another four hours Of assistants to me that ought To cut it Would free you what to do You know, I wouldn't be cutting And pasting and stuffing envelopes Cut it from 40 to 32 Or just make it manageable As it is now So we should still be looking at 40 Plus the assistant treasurer I'm not reaching All of my job I do not have a current grant Spreadsheet In production I do not have all the OSHA Reporting Done online I cannot reach All of my job I I cannot reach All of my job Because you're having to do a lot of the mundane Right Here's the thing I'm trying to keep myself down at 32 hours a week I think it's only fair I have worked Consistently over 32 hours a week But I couldn't tell Until I came to the board Where that was Allocated And it wasn't fair to come to you To you or to me Until I could figure it out And once When the delinquent taxes were done You pay me extra for delinquent taxes If it's five or six hours a week extra It's irrelevant Because you're paying me for that But when they were done And when NEMRIC was done And I could not reach them And I'm an eight year experienced veteran Of this work I don't know Calis Absolutely not I'm learning Calis And I'm not putting myself in Donna's shoes That would be arrogant But Once I cleared away the special project And the delinquent taxes And I could not reach all of my job In 32 hours And give you the kind of reports And memos that you're used to Write the policies Write the manuals Do an internal control There's more to my job than just cutting checks But I'm finding just cutting the checks And keeping up with my job I cannot get to the higher level work That actually I enjoy more And It just isn't A 32 hour a week job We get it Well I think We've discussed this A few Several times You haven't been watching the movies have you This has come up Oh I don't watch, no I don't watch them You got better things to do Jerome I just hate even the thought Of being so that explanation But that's why I came to you When I did I was able to see it And be able to Understand Even for myself Why was Donna at 40 I'm at 32 She did this I can only do that I see the reports she generated for you I know You like these I could do this for the town report You would like it once a month I don't have time to do an analysis Of your budget once a month With the memo I just don't Have a good spreadsheet That tells you something It takes Time And you deserve that But I can't reach that So that makes me feel bad I have to tell you I don't feel that You're feeling like You can work on the table And once you notify us If all of a sudden you see a huge red flag Like oh there's no money in the HRA Call us So those are really We don't need to know every line item Where we are You need to know Your flags So I did discuss with Denise You were by phone That day That I'm delaying doing an analysis Until we have our numbers for December 30 Because that's your halfway point And that I think Will give you far more information Than anything I've been able to But you've compared research From I mean you know Where we are, FY19 And what makes sense If we put in a figure that doesn't make sense For FY20 because you've seen Like the HRA Kind of thing So that, you know, we would appreciate That advice I'm happy to Way in On any of these topics I am, you can ask me At any time I won't insert myself, that's not my style But if you are asking me for An opinion I'm happy to share whatever thoughts I have Whether you take it or not We don't know What we don't know So We would appreciate your opinion And it's almost nine o'clock So how long do you folks want to Keep going at this? Up here That's part of my job description My original job description Was to attend a select board meeting So I am here, Judy might not Want to stay, but you might want to stay Is there anything more budget wise Judy that you want to enlighten us on I just noticed I think we put the key ones that have to do with me Directly Increase our line item If you look on page three The IT support We're kind of, we're working on that now We've talked about that Okay Was Barbara, did Barbara ever Catch up with Andy? Police I think he's still recuperating She was going to try to catch up tonight So We've increased telephone internet We talked about the health insurance Oh, did we have Wasn't that county Washington County Taxing Wasn't that Did we get a figure from them? No We don't have a figure yet from them I just, I threw in an extra two percent On that At their very steady Just as a place of water We don't tend to go all the way A lot Um, um, um Anything else? I'll get you the fire department figures You're going to take out The Call of Hovered And the library fire department On the next go round of this Yes What else, folks? We want to do all these Finally these are here Captain, Twin Valley What are we going to do About the digitization thing Are we going to leave 10,000 in? I think we should Of the next three years I think we just need to Just shore up what that contract Really means And if we need to run The contract by Jim We can do that too Just to make sure Because it was kind of Kind of funky, some of that stuff Um So I forgot you used to get us a number He, um, yes And he may have forgotten Right He and I talked about the magic salt number They bought the equipment To apply it And then they added this line item But he didn't Estimate what the magic salt would be And has he gotten back to you At all on that tractor mowing thing? No, I see that You have it as a warned item Right, so on my to-do list I'm going to send Alfred an email And let him know That we will be meeting with the road crew All the road crew On Wednesday morning At 9 o'clock To discuss the new health insurance plan And Ask him about the magic salt And are we going forward With this mower? If we don't have We put 70 On the warned item He was talking like 100 Yeah, well I don't think they need to spend that So I sent an example Of what a tractor costs Used by the almost brand new And a mower, you know Another like 25 grand So you think 70 is enough? 60, yeah Maybe it's 80 If we don't have a real figure East Montpelier spent They bought top, top, top Crazy, you know We're going from zero To top, top, top We run and see how it works And it's like anything This is not as critical as equipment I just want to update I just want to update the warning Yeah With however much Maybe 80 And I think we can do it Under that So we would take a loan out For not more than 80 Right Woodbury is going to send us The language Which we will Obviously review The cemetery budget Is going down by $10,000 From 49 to 39 And they confirmed it Sandra's asked them In every which way she can think of And are they sure What the amount is So that's what it is That's great And we have a popular Hill Cemetery Hill Cemetery Award And we've got the social services Things Done I know the only other question Do we have any of those five-year Taxation Properties this year The next vote will be In 2022 And 2023 So the Listers ran The list of Contracts off And We have Adamant Adamant Community Center Adamant Co-Op Aldridge Morrill Associates Robinson Cal's Community Recreation Center Cal's Recreation Now it's the East Calus So we give them a We don't charge them any taxes But they charge us to use the space East Calus Recreation Center They charge us to pay for that oil That's going to fly out the windows I think that's Crazy, ridiculous, cheap, that's not enough There's a column To the left Of the name of the entity And that column Indicates when the last vote spoke to a place. And then to the right of the entity name is when the next, when it expires because we have to be re-up to every five years. So we have that for this year. Comcast is on here, but the last time it was voted was 2005. Yeah, that's not on there anymore. John Sesse does not expect any other entity to come and ask for a tax exempt status. Okay, so we can take that off. We want to make sure we have, are there going to be, do you think any resolution is going to be on ours or on the schools? Rack 46. School. School warning. Okay, so I'll take care of what they do with that. Well, unless the school board votes to not do it, then we need to know soon because we have to get... Well, we need to get going here. I know. They do. I'm going to have to... There's a lot of new talk up in the walk, and this keeps happening. I know. I know. Just so you know, the five 10-thurks are meeting with Bill Kimball on Thursday to start planning the Act 46 consolidation process. Is it, when is that? Thursday at what time? It's at noon in Middlesex, and it's... Middlesex now, not... Right, it's at the Middlesex Town Office and it's to talk about the January 14th. District-wide meeting, like a town meeting that will involve all five towns at U32 on January 14th. It will be run just like a town meeting. I haven't done much publicity on that. And then... What's the date? January 14th. And then there'll be an election. If at that meeting they vote to go Australian ballot, then there'll be an Australian ballot. Special election, the week of January 18th. I'll get some of these details on Thursday. Because I think one of the questions is, if this is being run or advertised as a special town meeting of all five districts, they need to do the proper time for warning. They just changed it from January 9th to January 14th because they've calculated the number of days. So I think they're scrambling. So a lot of things are being shifted and I think maybe now they have their solid dates and they'll look forward to the PR. Because it's pretty short. On the 14th they're going to have a meeting to educate the public about what they've balanced about. It's a town meeting where the town clerks have to be there with checklists and little cards. That's my understanding. Right, but is there going to be an education meeting the night before like they do for like... I'll find out on Thursday what they're going to do. I mean, and if Kimball, my guess is, he won't suggest that. Right. But we're about including our public. And so they know what the heck they're voting on and they're educated to the best that we can on a very complicated set of issues. That's unnecessary. Bring that to them. That's what the board asked you to... Information. The information meeting beforehand. And it shouldn't be the night before. No. Why is it so... Why is he ramming this? I don't understand why. Why is this February? Why can't we have... I'm not going to answer for him on some of the statutory timelines. But the merger wouldn't even be an effect until July 1st. So I don't know what the big rush is for this vote. I guess it would be good maybe if he could give you some... He's voted on a transition team. The warning is posted right there. Oh, it is. Okay. Well, I don't want to hold you guys up. Let's talk about this. Anybody have anything else? Judy and Sandra are still here. I just want to say that for each and every one of you, there is a little treat over there, and an envelope, and you should take one before you leave, including you, Jerome. And Katie. And Katie. Oh, how sweet. Thank you. Thank you very much. And we very much appreciate all you do for that whopping paycheck that you get. We would, I would do it without a paycheck. Your service is incredible to the town. It's just absolutely admirable. And this is just a tiny token of appreciation. Oh, that's great. Thank you very much. Thank you. It's a really good team, I think, between the select board, the office staff. I think everybody has their heart in the right place and everybody's best interest. Yes. There are nuts in your bags, and you should know they are heart nuts, which is a nut tree that is hardy in zone four. And if you're careful when you crack them open, you will see a beautiful heart shape. Oh, cool. They grow, they, they didn't grow these, but they're growing the trees. So we are grateful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. They didn't grow these, but they're growing the trees. So we are grafting and producing these trees. Oh, isn't that cool? But they are, they are awesome. You know what? Somebody is really clever. And so this is. That's what she was saying. Yeah. So take, take, you know, take a look at the heart nut, lots of protein, and you know, omega. And then to offset that, there's lots of sugar in there. Oh, yeah. And that's right. Of course there is. Of course there is. A little bit in nuts. Well, thank you very much. It's really very, very nice. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate all of your attention. All right. So Wednesday morning, nine o'clock. Because town hall is not meeting. No, we're not meeting for the next two Wednesdays. Right. But town hall. We're meeting. I thought maybe we weren't going to have to meet on Wednesday, but I think we, I think we need to. Yep. We need to. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right. So everybody's on board. Meet on 27. John's going to be faced in or phased in whenever you want. Faced in. Faced in. Faced in. And would the board like to go into executive session at all tonight? I'd like to go to the, that go home session. Do you need to go? Do we need to, do you think we need to? Anybody? Okay. All right. Well done folks. Are we done for tonight? I think we're pretty much done. Any updates? Um, I don't think there's any updates. Now just that I've been, Oh, I know what we need to do. We need to approve minutes. And we need to look at the select board report for the town county court. What is this? Like you said, which one? I, how do you, there are so many, every time you call it up, is it makes it green? It's the same as another version. Yes. I didn't want to call it out. I just had it fully. How do we know which one to use? I looked at like three of them and I was like, your technology stuff wasn't in there. Any of the ones. So it will default to the one at 1155 a.m. that was created by me. Because I know the tech notes are in that one. The one I'm going to, let's see. So how do you, can you just like get rid of things? I'm going to be down like this. Which one, the one that you put the notes in? Because I put notes, comments in on one of the documents. And it's not the one that you used, right? The one I used was the one Katie had put in there. Right. And I made, well no, Katie put them all in. I don't put them in. But you had opened Katie's. Right. And every time you opened Katie's, it created another one. This is what I don't like about Google Docs. There's, we got to find a better way than that. Okay. So why don't you go ahead and open one. Let me just do this. Because I actually went in and it was after. There's five, 13, Denise went in, five, 16, Denise went in. Okay. I'll be right back. It's got completely a gentle glide. What is that block? That's supposed to be part of the draft. I tried to get rid of it. And it would go away. It's not word. Yeah. Well, it's because the conversion from word to Google Docs back to word. What I could try to do, Denise, is And I had taken out the extra spaces. Right. And then when it got converted to Google, the extra flying spaces were in there. What the heck? I spent a lot of time on that. Why don't we do this? Lay Rob, Richard, you got to come up. Get the thing and then format it in a word document that will be user-friendly to everybody. I'm just trying to figure out we need to. Thank you, Sandra. Thank you. Good night. Because time is of the essence because we need to have this hopefully done by the end of, how much time do we really try to get the board? Oh, you've got to hurry tonight. The select board report. Do we have a meeting? Yes. Yes. It's early in January. I just don't want to get blamed for the select board holding up the town report. No. I think that. Ideally, it would be in before the end of December. But the first week, I'm springing for Judy because that's kind of her section. But I really think the first week in January will be fine. Okay. Because we're meeting January 27th. No, December 26th. Right. But we're also meeting January 7th. Yeah. So what Jen said to us is if we, if they were going to do the graphic design, they would need it by the second or third week of January. But if we have the graphic design done. That's what Laura's doing. Right. They could take it later. Okay. So that I don't want to give you wiggle room. It's best you don't have it. And that we drive toward our earliest deadlines. Okay. But you do have some breathing space. I'm going to make the deadline for us to get this done in final form by January 7th. And I think that will be fine. I really do. I just don't want to have special privileges when we've told all the other committees and committees. Yeah. But. Oh. Peshaw. You don't want to get in that territory again. Well, good night folks. All right. Thank you guys. Thank you. I'm going to take 14. That's what I've been advised. Yes. That's better. Good night. All right. So I would really, really appreciate it if everybody could read it. And what's going to be the best way for people to comment. If every time you make a comment, it creates a new document. Well, that's what it's going to work. Well, it is in Word. And then it goes to Google. So what I want to do is I want to reformat it as a Word document. I'll look at those different editions that are in the folder. Make sure I get your comments in. Then I'll send it to you so you can have an opportunity to verify everything you want is in there. Yeah, because I had some more changes I wanted to make. I was like, I'm not doing it. Because I don't know which one. Once we're at that point, I will see if I can create a new Google Doc that will not do this auto-replication every time somebody opens it. Because if you went in right now into the folder and opened it, I exited it. Without making any changes, it would create a new document. And you never know which one is the most current. So I'm not going to do it until Cliff just gives us to go ahead. Yeah. I'll go ahead. I'll give you a little more time, John. Alright, so we do have some minutes to do. Alright, so let's do minutes. We have the joint. Thanks, guys. Good, Kelly. See you on the 27th. What are you leaving? Merry Christmas. Oh. Oh, I'm all right. You're around? Yeah. Okay. Say hi to your family. Okay. For you? Or Greg? Yeah, for me. Okay. Yeah, Greg doesn't talk. Yes, he does. Oh my, oh my. Have a good Christmas. Thank you, John. See you on FaceTime sometime. What's that? See you on FaceTime sometime. Did she give you the baddie bag there? Yep. I have stuff for everybody, but I don't have it already yet. Do you get a card, too? A card. Alright, can we do the minutes? Which one? Do you want to see 12-3 first? Yep, sure. John, that must be me. Is that you? I'm sure. That must be me. Jerome. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's part of the team. He's the sixth one for me. Are we muted? Are you Sharon's edits? I don't realize, did you look at minutes? I did, and I made changes in there, but I don't remember which set of minutes. I see yours. You see my name somewhere? Yeah, we'll see it when we pull it up. Yep. So this was Sharon's edits, and Denise said it was alright how that came out. Yeah. They're not this sad. Yeah, and then a different document. That's really a pain in the neck that this does this. They must have fixed this problem, because everybody else must have the same problem. Whoever uses Google. They fixed it by creating a new document anytime anybody opens the document. Yeah, it must be some sense. I wonder if one person puts the Word document in, opens it the first time as a Google doc and removes the Word document. Would that be easier, because there'd only be one thing to open? That might be a way to go. I wanted to check to see, though, if there's some other way to put it on the editing. Thank you. I'll talk about that. Alright, well... Alright, so I'll make a motion. Well, where are the rows at Rosemont? That's at a different meeting. Oh, a different meeting. No, I thought you meant it was the same meeting just a different set. Yeah, I'll make a motion that we approve the minutes of December 3rd as amended and as reviewed tonight. I'll second. Okay, all those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed, hearing none. Alright. Next ones. Well, six. So these are Rose's minutes, and I wasn't sure what to do about there's a few blank spaces under... Yeah, those were the ones I couldn't figure out what to do with this. And I haven't researched to fill in the blanks. Well, I think we can't do these until we fill in the blanks. Yeah, it looks good to me except for the blanks. Yeah. Are you... I could try... I could try to get the blanks filled in. Everybody got a... Yeah, I can ask... I can ask Ty. Okay. Okay. Next set. Okay. Yeah, you did and I had a question about what I should do there. I must have said it wrong. That first set's highlighted. It was clarified that the Capital Reserve Fund takes... Takes in as funded by the ambulance replies for truck purchases and other large cuts. That's missing the word, isn't it? It's got either got... I think it's got to either be in or is. The Capital Reserve Fund is... I think I changed that whole sentence. Is this not the addition that I edited? I wonder if I edited a different addition. No, you're down below here. I see your comments are coming up. Yeah. But it was clarified that the Capital Reserve Fund is funded by... I wanted to say because someone was saying that the way that Capital Reserve Fund gets money in it is by what the revenue is from the ambulance side and then it is utilized to pay for truck purchases. Yeah. And other large capital expenses. I got to say that was a tough meeting to do, to take notes on. You did a really good job. It's been a couple of hours. Yeah. Thank you. It was clarified that the Capital Reserve Fund... The Capital Reserve... Yeah. So can you see my comments? Because I thought I redid that whole sentence. Oh, you did? Yeah, I don't know. Can you scroll? I see Rosa's comments are coming up down below. And maybe you reworded the whole sentence. Or maybe... Oh, no, I guess that's where it changed you. Look at that picture of me and Greg. I know. Isn't that funny? I think it's concerning when my picture comes up. That's an old fiction. All right. Yeah. No, I guess, you know, I mean, basically every month when the ambulance revenue comes in, there are certain expenses that get paid off of it, like paramedics and ambulance billing and whatnot. And then there's the balance left of ambulance revenue. 25% goes to the contingency fund, and 75% goes to the Capital Reserve Fund. Oh, wow. So that's what happens every month with the capital. Okay. With the ambulance revenue. So let's have that... So that's what... Certification. That's what happens. There's certain... Yeah, there's certain expenses that are paid... So just read that now, Rose, and see if that makes sense. Not read what the yellow one is? Well, read the whole paragraph. We'll take out the yellow. How about that? Yeah. Okay. It was clarified that the Capital Reserve... What did you do? She took out the... Oh, you took the yellow? Okay. Every month when capital revenue... When you have an ambulance... ...annuals revenue comes in, there are certain expenses that are paid, and the balance of the revenue is allocated as follows, and then on... 25% to the Contingency Fund, and 75% to the Capital Reserve Fund. Thank you. And that's what happens. Did we ask Katie yet if she would be willing to come to the Department of Meetings in the future? Yeah. Would you be willing to come to the Department of Meetings? I would love to, because I was like, I got to watch a video of this ahead of time next time. It was all going so fast about what had been talked about. I was a bit out of the loop. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was the administrative assistant for six years. That's why she always needs to remember... I'd love to if you don't want to, but I'm not taking your position if you want to take those notes from us. Well, part of the reason that I had a few blanks on the minutes that I took is because I was writing or it was still on, and then he would go to the next topic, like when they did fire prevention at Cala School. I was still writing about the previous thing, so that's why I missed a few things. And then he ended up that they gave us some of that. Yeah. It wasn't like on their agenda. They didn't have the date, but I could fill in those blanks. Okay. And then... Now, why is this paragraph yellow? I don't... The board discussed the possibility of using an amount out of the ambulance reserve revenue to offset costs for this year and acknowledge that this would never really decrease the amount of funds. I don't remember the capital reserve. Should I add the word fund after capital reserve? Oh, no. That's what it was. Yeah. Capital reserve fund. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. Was there anything else, Katie, that we had? That rose? I've got rose changes. Yeah. That rose did, so those look... Yeah. Bruce Johnson explained what? The recent use of the reserve fund... Which original? Oh, yeah. Original fund. Right. The original fund. Yeah. Was that it? I think so. If you scroll down and you don't see my picture anymore. Or any other changes to the rest of our... Oh, there's my picture. Yeah. This is really... Oh, yeah. Yeah. You did some significant... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so if you would just put what I wrote instead of that. Yeah. That works. Oh, yeah. I remember reading this earlier today. Yeah. I changed it. I'm not sure why the update isn't going... Oh, there it goes. It's trying. Oh, there we go. It's probably tired. All right. Anything else? What do you think? Yeah. Okay. That's it. Very good. Thank you. Do you remember? Do you want to vote on that? Move to a three. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Here and none. All right. Is there a motion to adjourn? No, I think we should hang out first. I'll make a motion to adjourn.