 Good morning, Abdelahi Mohamed, thank you for joining us on the show. Well, we set off a second conversation. No, thanks for having me. Alright, then we head straight to it. The Nadir's Accountant General of the Federation was accused of stealing 80 million Naira and was suspended and the Acting Accountant General was also appointed shortly afterwards. Right now, the Acting Accountant General has been sacked over fraud charges and corruption. Abdelahi Mohamed, what do you make of this back and forth with the Accountant General's office? Thank you, it's very unfortunate. But I think to some extent we also say we lose to the investigating agencies, the ICPT and the HDT, for carrying out their job. It doesn't matter if they recently start acting Acting Accountant General in office. What's important is that if people are found working, whether it's in a day or two hours, they spend in the office and they should be held accountable. But what I would say, even before the appointment of the Interviewee Act Acting Accountant General, it was clear that since he was part of the process, part of the case of spending Accountant General, and then since investigations were going on, there was supposed to be a process. I mean in terms of even appointing the Acting Accountant General. So it's a kind of system that appoints one Interviewee and then that person is back from related problems. So I think we need to do more due diligence. We need to allow, I think using what allowed, I think you quoted me earlier. We need to demand for accountability. We need to ensure that our process is sustainable and accountability. And then whenever we are making public appointments, there is a whole lot of resistance and then characters are subjected to proper investigation. So we keep making the mockery of our system just to be less upbeat. It was, I think last month before his suspension, the Acting Accountant General of the Federation, we're talking about Chuku Yere Anna Mekwe. He made a controversial statement. He said that the federal government was borrowing to pay salaries. I was going to quote him. He said, quote, we have to borrow to augment the payment of salaries and wages. This shows that we are in very difficult time. Government income is highly challenged is what he said. And there were some rumors that the government was said to be unsettled by his comments. Do you think that this may have contributed to his suspension? It's undoubtedly from the healers and what we read in the media. Government is not pulling that we are everywhere. We don't really want to be exposed. So I think his comment angered the authorities that be. His comment probably was seen as very professional, particularly as a public office worker and civil service. So yeah, in some extent, I can't complain. But in some podcasts and what we read in the media, it is believed that it is part of what the Acting Accountant General asked from the office. But if you ask for my opinion, I think yeah, that might contraven civil service law. That might also contraven the public service rule in Nigeria, except what the government wants out there. As a civil servant or public servant, you are not authorized to do it out to the public. I think when it's time, the government probably wants that to be known publicly, they will use the right time and appointed persons to do so. So you are right. It's possible that the confessions of the Acting Accountant General was part of the reason it was asked from the office. You look at the reasons given for the suspension of the Accountant General Federation and even the Acting Accountant General who replaced him. And we only hope that the new Acting Accountant General, the Acting Accountant General will not also have the same fate. Of course, you've said it shows that the corruption and anti-corruption agencies are on top of their game, in this case the EFCC, which is an arm of the federal government. So some could say, okay, in another respect, the federal government is also on top of its game as far as the fight against corruption is concerned. But some Nigerians are not divorcing the link between the federal government itself, led by President Muhammad Buhari and its appointees, this time the Office of the Accountant General of the Federation. Can the federal government absolve itself of ineptitude of inconsistencies in its affairs, despite the fact that the anti-corruption agencies are doing a good job with these scandals? I'm sorry, I'm struggling to get your question. Alright, so I'm saying in one breath you're praising the anti-corruption agencies for doing a good job and that's still the federal government. But some Nigerians are saying that this whole thing shows that the federal government is inconsistent in its approach and it's not on top of its game. So can the federal government divorce itself from what its agencies are doing, all the heads of its paracetals, ministries, departments and agencies are doing? That's why the fact that you're giving it praise in its fight against corruption. I think there are two ways if you want to look at it critically. One is the fact that we think after more than seven years of President Muhammad Buhari's administration, particularly the fact that the administration would want to power with the promise to fight corruption and still to ensure that people who are corrupt or people who are stealing the bonds are brought to justice. If you look at it from that angle, you say after seven years or more than seven years now of this administration, you want to feel that such one-ton corrupt activities, corruption to the tune of 80 billion, should be something that would not have occurred at this point in time. Because if you're fighting and ensuring that people who are corrupt face the music, face justice as it were, then that would be definitely, that should have been a kind of deterrence for people by now after several long years. That should have been a kind of deterrence for public service holders and even private enterprise who wants to have a meeting not to engage in corruption. So that is one... So if you look at it from that angle, you say the government has not really tried, have not really done well because like I mentioned, after seven years and people are still engaging in this kind of one-ton corrupt practices. It doesn't show that the government has actually succeeded like it promised Nigerians. So that is one angle. But another angle is that irrespective of the time, I mean even after seven years, the good thing is that even where people are corrupt, government is trying so hard to apprehend these so-called allegedly corrupt people. So if you look at it from that angle, you want to give kudos to the government because it doesn't matter whether it's spent seven years or more. It's ensuring that at least people who are found wanting are accountable and they're just supposedly done. So from these two angles, you want to choose which one you want to... So let me quickly put you on the spot. Yes, Mohammed, let me quickly put you on the spot very quickly. And so what you've said now, is the glass half full or is it half empty? Yes, I'm just giving you the two options. I want you to take one. Is it half full or half empty? For me, seriously, I would get both. It's half full and it's still very empty. Well, thank you so much, Mohammed Abdulahi, for being part of the show this morning. We appreciate your time. Have a great day. Thank you so much. Mohammed Abdulahi is a public affairs analyst. We have been looking at the event surrounding the appointment of the new accountant general of the Federation, following the sack of the previous accountant general. That's the size of it. If you missed that on any part of our conversation, follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Subscribe to our YouTube channel at Plus TV Africa, Plus TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Messi Bukbul. My name is Kofi Bartel, so we return tomorrow. Good morning.