 So now we've heard from the academic perspective, but the academic turned policymaker and the topic of this session is very much turning what has been good and has been said and has been talked about and things and people know it's right, turning it into practice. So who better to talk about this than Thomas Vinnier who like myself is actually a Norwegian. He has a cottage up in Telemark, I understand, and this is where skiing was invented. So like the past speaker, you know, who likes sailing, this is a person who likes skiing.