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And that's happening against them. It's happening against them, which is keeping them from food and all the sustenance they need. So we're trying to work with the Eparkey here in the United States. I've been talking to friends in Israel. And so we're trying to get that for Friday, the 25th of August, I think is the date. So keep your eye out on that. If you're Armenian in particular, or if your heart breaks like mine does, I'm Jewish, you know, by birth and by faith, and I'm a Hebrew Catholic. And just what the Armenians have gone through has got some parallels to the Holocaust historically. They went through and almost, you know, they were, it's just million-plus, just horrifying stuff before the Second World War. But anyway, and there's just this constant hatred. So we're going to try to let you know about what we will let you know. But go out to spiritualdirection.com and subscribe there because we're not ready to like send you to a link yet. We're working this out really quickly. And we'll have Simone Rascala with us. She's from McDowell and she's an Armenian American. She's an Egyptian Armenian. Egyptian Armenian, awesome woman, good friends with Stephanie. So we'll have her on part of it. So anyway, we're just trying to organize it just, I believe in prayer. And I think we could, I think, I think you're all going to think I'm crazy. I think we can pray and all those trucks could blow up. Or run out of gas. There's nobody in them. They're just sitting on the roads blocking the road. So I just, I believe they could all disintegrate. I mean, I really do. I have no doubt if the people of God who really believe come together and pray, we can move mountains. So we're going to do it. And we're going to help those women and children in particular who are suffering with, again, with grave evil coming against them. Okay, the other, there's just two other things I know you want me to get onto the show. Sorry. But this summit, or no, which one do you want to do first? Divine intimacy or the summit? Summits come in first. Okay. Why don't you do that? So the amazing summit. I'm so excited about this summit. Yeah, one of, pardon me, one of Father Jesse's brother priests, a very good close friend, Father Ignatius, will be one of the speakers at the summit. It is October 13th through the 15th, the Marian mystery and the triumph of the Immaculate Heart. So I love Mary today's her feast day. I love this day because it's the assumption of Mary. It's a holy day of obligation. Please go to mass. And not only that present yourself for communion on Sunday. Not only that. One of the other days that I, that I love this day is because it's a day that the Lord made me a man, a mother for the, for the third time. And so our son Marcus was born on August 15th. So it's special day for Mary today. So anyway, on this day, I'm announcing, reminding you, if you don't know about it, to go out and sign up for the Avalos Summit 2023, October 13th through the 15th at the shrine of the most blessed sacrament in Hansville. It's an amazing venue, second largest monstrance in the world, which ties into our topic today. And amazing speakers. So you don't want to miss that. You can find that at spiritualdirection.com forward slash events. Why don't we leave the last one for the break? Let's do that. Okay, you can find all of our events. Yeah, at spiritualdirection.com. So if, and if you want to stay touched in touch with us, that's where you, like you get emails about everything you do from, from spiritualdirection.com. So go sign up there and let's go ahead and start the show in your market set. Go. This is Dan Stephanie Burke. Welcome to Divine Intimacy Radio, your radio haven of rest. Your hermitage of the heart. Your monastery of the mind where we lift our hearts and minds to heaven to draw upon the wisdom of the saints so that we can navigate the incredible storm that we're in. God be praised. Why praise the Lord for a storm? Because the storm denotes that he's at work. The storm shows us that he's here. The storm is the opera is the context within which saints are born. Right. It's the context, the difficulties and the struggles that we face on the highest level. If you look through church history, look at the look at the incredible saints that emerged out of the Protestant revolts, you know, Teresa of Avila, Ignatius of Loyola, Saint John of Avila, you know, Saint Peter of Alcantara. I mean, I could just go on, on and on. That's really beautiful. Say that again. The storm. The storm is the place out of which saints emerge. That's really beautiful. Yeah. We should really think about that. Well, you know, it's interesting. My book's coming out, Finding Peace in the Storm. And the reason those saints emerged out of it is because our hearts were just deeply oriented to God and they were able to provide a unique light and perspective. They were not swept away by their times because they're staring at Jesus, not at the waves. They're staring at Jesus, not at the waves. So Finding Peace through the Storm, you can already pre-order it out at spiritualdirection.com. It's not the subject of our talk today. However, it is true, though. If we're facing Jesus, we're facing the Eucharist. We're facing the Eucharist. We're not being overcome by the storm. And that's why Father Jesse Meng goes with us today. Welcome back, Father Jesse. Great to be back here with you guys. It's awesome to be with you. Before we kind of get into what we wanted to talk about today, I wanted to ask, so you're a Dominican priest of the Irish province. You're from Trinidad, Tobago. Like, tell me a little bit about your priestly call and then I want to, but I want to kind of shape it around why your life really is oriented to Eucharistic revival. What's happening in the church right now, your heart is oriented to that reality. So give us a little background and tell us a little bit about yourself. Yeah, so I'll try and pitch that in terms of Eucharistic adoration and revival. I grew up in a very catholic, faithful home, certainly with lots of witnesses of people who were really living their faith in profound ways. I'm actually on my dad's side with his parents and cousins and even on my mom's side, my uncle and his wife had a profound kind of conversion in a Marianne apparition shrine in Venezuela where my aunt was healed from not being able to have children after 10 years. And so we started to gather to pray the rosary as a family every week. Also the instigation of my grandmother after a profound experience she had in Medjugorje. So there was a lot of witness of prayer and my grandparents were very involved in and a lot of charity, which always stood out to me. But one of the things they would do is that after they would pick me up from school, they would bring me to an adoration chapel called the Center for Peace in Trinidad, which was started by a lay couple after they had been converted in Medjugorje. They came back to Trinidad and realized that they wanted to create a sanctuary, a place of prayer so that people could come and drink deeply from the Eucharistic Lord. And also they did great work to support priests, etc. So as a kid, I would go there and I could still remember the peace of that chapel. And maybe because there was air condition as well and hot Trinidad. But it was a peace then my grandmother's sister would often be doing some hours and we'd be picking her up and going back home. So that kind of stands out. I drifted away from my faith. I won't go into a conversion story full blown, but I drifted away from my faith, became agnostic. And then for a while for maybe a year, two years, I would describe myself as an atheist in the sense that I had come to this point where I didn't believe in God at all. But of course, the Lord starts to pull through I think the prayers of my mother in a very particular way and prayers of so many in the family to pull my heart back to the Lord. And so then I had a conversion, a kind of reversion back to the faith in a church, which which turns out to be called the Church of Corpus Christi, the Church of the Body of the Lord. And it was at communion time. So I often reflect on this now because as my life after coming back into Christ and to follow the Catholic faith after this devotion to the Eucharist, really developing more and more through series of encounters with really wonderful books that set my heart on fire. And in particular with one priest who had profound, his life was completely ordered to the Eucharist. And he seemed to be truly what the church means by source and summit. So he had a profound impact on my life. And it was the devotion and the desire for the Eucharist was already there. So it just deepened. And so it made more sense why the Lord had come to meet me at I'm a Holy Communion. When I had went up to Holy Communion, I didn't receive actually something had stopped me from receiving. And I think that was the Lord protecting me because I wasn't in a state of grace. I hadn't been to confession in the years. And something I just I kind of felt like a hypocrite for receiving. And and so I just went up for a blessing. Nevertheless, it was very powerful life changing moment and experience. And I guess it has marked my life to be converted in a church called Church of Corpus Christi at communion time. So since then, I've like tried to devote my prayer time principally to adoring the Lord in the tabernacle and when possible to have exposition. And I could safely say that it has just transformed my life. And the more that I've tried to give myself more to that over the years, I've seen just interior freedom. And I'm convinced, you know, that's the Calus of Coutis, the great Eucharistic saint of most recent kind of Beatified Italian saints, said the Eucharist is the shortcut to heaven. And it's true because when we are before Jesus in Eucharist, we're before Jesus Christ himself, who is the source of all grace. He's in John tells us he is full of grace and truth. And so when we sit before Jesus in the Eucharist, he's truly and utterly there. Then we are the source of what sanctifies our mind and our heart and our will. And so I believe that spending as much time with him is the greatest deliverance from evil we could experience. The greatest, it's he is the deliverer. And the time before him is silent. It can seem ineffective and it can seem like a waste of time because not much is happening. In your perception. In my perception. But that's why faith, you know, because faith. And I believe for me personally, I feel that because we clearly see from the quotes and the statistics that so many Catholics have fallen away from true faith in the Eucharist, which means that they've cut themselves off, which explains why Catholics don't look like what Catholics are supposed to look like. You know, which looks like, which looks like she has a power outage. It's not true because she has the source of the Lord himself, but it looks at times we're suffering a power outage. But that's because people are not disposed to the Eucharist. They're not preparing well before mass. You know, we're not, and I include myself in that in my journey over the years. I've had to learn and I still struggle to make sure I'm preparing well for the mass that I linger enough in Thanksgiving after mass. And so the, these are just some ideas. I mean, there's so many ways, you know, I mean, one of my favorite quotes about the Eucharist comes from Pope Benedict, quoting St. Edith Stein, very simple quote. And he says that, and he quotes her saying, anybody with a normal brain basically, anybody with normal feelings and a healthy heart, believing Jesus is in the Eucharist, would want to go and visit him as much as possible and whenever possible. And it's as simple as that. And because when we look at the Eucharist, we look at a person. It's not a thing. It's not a container. We're looking at the divine person, Jesus Christ himself, who mysteriously is in heaven at the right side of the Father, we are brought to him. It's not so much that Jesus leaves heaven to come to us rather than when we're in adoration, we're actually being brought to his presence at the right side of the Father. That's the true movement. And he's allowing us to enter that atmosphere of heaven in adoration in a very special way. We, I think it's the closest place on earth that we get to be like our brothers and sisters, saints in heaven, where they look upon the Lamb directly with their eyes. We look upon him directly, but with faith, but he is really there. Can I ask you a question? I think it's a perception breaking question or a reality. I've spent a lot of time meditating on the person of Jesus in the first century, and we've been blessed in our time with a lot of good art, like the Passion of the Christ, the Chosen series, that really helps to give us holy imagination. What's the difference between a Christian in the first century walking beside Jesus? I always liked this idea of Jesus walking with me to Jericho, or me walking with Jesus to Jericho and having this conversation where he's revealing my heart to me, he's healing me, he's loving me, or we're just being together in silence and just, you know, I know who, I know he's the Messiah in all of that. What's the difference between that walk, between Jerusalem and Jericho, and being in the presence of the Eucharist? So I will say that there's a difference, and there is not a difference. So there's not a difference in the sense that the same Jesus Christ, who were with the disciples in the Holy Land, in Galilee, is present utterly and completely, as the Church teaches us, body, blood, soul and divinity in the Eucharist. It's him, you know. Sometimes people get caught up on the word sacrament in Eucharist as if it can almost be a barrier, just think it's him. He's there as a person in the room and close your eyes and go, wow, you know, that's my prayer time, wow, go on wonder, this is Jesus Christ, the same Jesus Christ in heaven adored by angels and saints, is in front of me, it's incredible. And that is how my prayer began as a novice. Or even before I came to the Dominican Order, but in the novice, I was a loud time, saying many distractions were taken from me and I needed the help of that to settle into a deep life of prayer and just go, wow, Jesus, your hair, and believe like a child. And it's that faith that scatters the darkness. It's this is Jesus. Now, so there is a difference in the sense that he's just sacramentally present. So he's not present in the same way that he was with them, but that shouldn't be a barrier. It just means that it's a new way of him being present, but he's still being fully present as a person. He can, it's a way he can be present in a sense. While being in heaven. With every single living being wants to be present with him, where they can find the Eucharist. So we're coming to a break when we get back from the break, I want to just keep breaking these barriers and digging into these mysteries, because when you go on pilgrim, well, when you read the New Testament, you read how an apostle who is who is traveling through an area touches something, and then another person touches it and they get healed. Yes, there's this, there's this impregnation of matter and time and space. However, this great grace and mystery that happens with people who are not God and man. I want to talk, I want to dig into this people. I don't think we understand well, and I'm sure I don't as well, how it is that even just being in silence, that graces are flowing. There's something supernatural happening here that can only happen here in this context of us in Eucharist. And so we'll be right back. Let's go to the next one. Okay. You can do that from all. Gentlemen, I hope you're listening. I have a suggestion for you. And it's a very impassioned suggestion, because I know you love your wives, and I know you want to learn how to love them better. And I know that you want to be the best husband possible to your spouse, and you want to honor God, and you want to honor your household. And so I want to invite you to come to a marriage retreat, Divine Intimacy and Marriage Retreat, that Dan and I are leading. And why would I be speaking to the man? Because I think you're the key to the transformation of your marriage and your household more than anybody else. We know the data shows that. The data shows that just amazingly spiritual principles are clear about that. It's amazing. And I think my husband's amazing. And I think you would be so blessed listening to my husband speak about what it means to be a husband and what it means to be the husband that God is calling him to be in our household. And you can certainly see the fruit of his spiritual headship in our home. You can see it through this radio program. You can see it through spiritualdirection.com, through the Avala Institute, through Apostoli Via, through everything that you and I have invested the entirety of our lives to. Yeah, it comes in part because you're a man of prayer and because you listen to God. So I just I just think you're comfortable. I think you're wonderful. And I think the guys should come and listen to you. Well, that's very kind. But I do want to say I was going to joke as you were talking, but I'm trying not to interrupt you as a discipline. But we're not perfect. And that's the only thing I love. Thank you for saying that. It's very moving to me. I'm just going to look under the table and see if there's any alcohol at the next break. But I do appreciate it. But the the the thing about it is we're not we are broken and we we've come we've come to, I don't know, a functional wholeness. So we're still, you know, we're still we still go to confession. You know, we're not levitating. I mean, we're not. I just want to be careful that, you know, paint a picture of my husband's perfect and he's going to come and tell you how to get it all right. Because the opposite is really true. Jesus is perfect. We're focused on him. That's what that's the secret. That bears fruit. Amazing fruit. But how do you do that in marriage is the question. Right. And that's the thing. That's the thing is that what through our the brokenness of our story and our journey and what the Lord has done through for us and in and through us. We want to help you to get there, too. We want to love you. We want to serve you. This is not about us. It's about the Holy Spirit. I do I am crazy about my husband, but the truth is it's about the Holy Spirit and his design for your marriage. And I just think it's phenomenal. I've seen the fruit of it. I'm watching marriages be transformed. And so come join us. And you will be blessed. Your marriage will be blessed. Your wife is just going to think you're the bee's knees for giving that huge, huge, huge. For the guys who know this, you know, there's the secret program of points inventory. And if you're like depleted, most guys are like borrowing from other guys inventory. I don't know how you do that. But like you'll get a warehouse full of points. Can I say one more thing? Yeah. And then as you're kind of thinking of that, I want to give like three or four examples. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. So one more thing is ladies. If you're the one that's listening and we have a lot of listeners all over the place, God be praised. You can just ask your husband, just say, Hey, you know, I want to save you shopping for Christmas and for my birthday. This would mean the world to me. Will you come away with me and come hang out with Dan and Stephanie and go to this divine intimacy and marriage thing? I'm hearing great things about it. It would make me really happy and try it. Yeah. You never know. So I saw just a few examples. A couple who hadn't been intimate for 20 years restored their intimacy to them. That's right. And we see them regularly and they're like glowing, which is awesome. A woman who had left the master bedroom came back. A woman who said, I'm leaving my husband and at the end of the weekend, decided not to leave. And then a man. I love this too. Because it's the full spectrum of premarades, difficult marriages, good marriages. A good marriage example, he said to his wife, I never knew there were so many ways that I could love you, which just kind of reignited. I don't know, reinforced, you know, an already very good marriage with and deepening their union together. So divine intimacy and marriage retreat. What's the date? November 3rd through the 5th in Hansville, Alabama. Amazing, amazing venue. We also have a second one if by chance you can't make the November 1, February 9th through the 11th. Same venue. Next year. Next year. So check it out. They're both at spiritualdirection.com forward slash events. You're not going to want to miss this. It'll sell out, so don't waste time. All right. We're on 12 and a half this second, this second segment. Welcome back to Divine Intimacy Radio. You're with Dan and Stephanie Burke and father Jesse Mango, not smelled, not spelled like mango fruit. That's mango if you're in Hispanic. Yeah, mango. I'm sorry, I'm fake. That's how we say it in Trinidad, mango. How do you say mango? Yeah, sorry. So it's not. So it's really this thing. Jesse mango. By the way, there's no mixing it up. If people want to find you, you also have something you do called heart reach. Do you want to tell them about that before we jump in? Yeah, so that's mainly on a WhatsApp group, but it gets those videos that I post nearly daily go up onto something called Dominican House of Prayer on YouTube. So just look up Dominican House of Prayer on YouTube. And you can see all the videos there for the last couple of years and also Father Ignatius Schweitzer, another Dominican from the eastern province. Who teaches for us? Who teaches for you guys. He's a friend. He's like omnipresent. He's everywhere. He's leading retreats all over the place and he does formation for a lot of different religious orders. And he puts up his retreats that he gives to the different monasteries throughout the states. And so if people want to do their own retreats, they can go and listen to one of the retreats on the Dominican House of Prayer. That's fantastic. So before the break, I set up this question to try to, I'm just trying to break through misperceptions or a lack of an build up faith. Why is it that someone could be in the incarnational reality of Jesus in the first century? Yes. In my view, one of the reasons why Mary is so extraordinary holy is because one, they share DNA. He was present. He was in her womb. But I have this belief that if I were in the first century and I was standing next to him, nothing transpiring that grace would be flowing in an extraordinary way. And I would only be able to touch you if you had faith. Yes. So again and again in the gospel, we see that people are close to him and he said, like the woman who touched me, power went out of me. Yeah. So you could be standing right in front of the tabernacle. You could be going to mass and your heart is closed and not disposed. And yes, it's still the best place to be because the grace is coming and trying to soften your heart and invite you. But unless you are prepared, unless you make that act of faith, you won't enter it more fully. Yeah. But if you go to adoration, you go to the holy mass with faith, hope and love, those are the main virtues of the spiritual life that open us up to God's transforming power. Faith first, the primacy of faith, but obviously love being the queen and the crown because its love is the actual union with God. Then God is transforming us as St. Paul says, in ways beyond our wildest imagination by this spirit, even this life in us that we cannot see, there's a divine life, a treasure and an earth and rare vessel that we will only fully appreciate when we go to heaven, what we've been carrying or who we've been on earth by baptism, by the life of grace. So, but Jesus is alive and active, you're right. He's alive and active in the holy Eucharist. And this analogy of gringing the sun, when you put yourself in the sun, you get a sun tan. You just put yourself there. You don't see it happening. But you dispose yourself. You make sure your skin is revealed and they took some work. But the sun and its adoration is like a spiritual radiation, sun tan, in the sense that Jesus is alive and active when we're present before him at an open heart. He's transforming us, again, as the scripture says, into glory, to glory. His face, you know. Now that takes great faith. But when it transforms me, it's transforming the whole church. We must remember the mystical body of Christ doctrine. That what happens to one happens to all. So we want to put the lights back on. We can do it for ourselves and others if we spend more time in adoration. Well, you're drawing grace into your heart, but into the hearts of all sorts of people. When you celebrate mass, or even the priests, you know, you don't know who is about to commit suicide. Yeah. And they're called back from that by light and grace. We don't know, like, there's so many scenes. Blessed Dina Belanger, great blessed from Canada. And who was at the time of Faustina both of them almost same revelations. They didn't even know each other. Faustina as well, Saint Faustina. They tell us what the Lord showed them, like all these souls on the precipice of losing their eternal life. And after an hour of adoration, where they were, how they were drawn back by the power of the pray. Now you could say, oh, this is nice pious talk. But these are great saints who have been given profound insight into the spiritual world. Yeah. So and one thing I would say, the advantage we have to those disciples in the early century is that blessed are those who have not seen. So there's a great blessing. Well, I would say so because think of it. Yeah. I mean, you said it. And Saint Thomas Aquinas says Jesus on the cross, it's hard to see his divinity on the cross, right? Yeah. He sees divinity when he was in Galilee doing all the miracles. But we don't even see his humanity. We look at something that looks like bread. Our senses betray us. But faith comes to see his faith. Faith, as Saint Thomas says, faith alone sees his faith. And so it's like, you're there. And because we believe that is highly meritorious for our soul. And that's why Saint Thomas Aquinas says that that's why the Lord has left us in his wisdom hidden. It's more meritorious to make an act of faith for the unseen Christ in the Eucharist. It's it's more meritorious. And actually it brings great glory. Yeah. So for the practical in me, you know, comes out, you know, I'm a teacher and everything. So God be praised and so for for the folks out there that, you know, because we've seen the data that's come out and we all know many, many people who have just lost hope. They've lost faith. They've lost the fervor that maybe they once had or they would have experienced. So for those that are listening that are going, you know, I don't know. This this sounds good, you know, and I'd like it to be true. But Father Jesse, how do I get faith when I have no faith? Because you were there. You went to a such a point where you say you would you would claim that you were an atheist. So how do you get there from where you are? First of all, faith is a gift. It's a grace from God. A grace God likes to give. And once again, I think that's key, right? Yeah. And that promises to give is the other key. And so if we are asking for the gift already, the Holy Spirit is birthing that designed my heart. So pay attention to that. If you pray for the gift of faith, you're already entering the realm of faith. And so first of all, pray. Ask God for faith. And if your life is in a state of, if you're not living a God day life, you're not living a state of sin, ask God to bring you out of it. Save me, God. Like Peter, Lord, save me. What did the Lord do immediately stretched out his hand? It's the same Lord who wants to do that for us. The next thing is pray. You know, some people say with Father Jesse, I don't experience much when I go to adoration. Well, then I say, well, how often do you go to adoration? Is it just once a week, just for 10 minutes? Is it, you know, the different stages to it and the life of prayer? We know that, right? There's a rarity. There's rhinitis. But I think that there's a special constellation that is given a neucristic adoration that you won't get in other forms of prayer because they're his body's present. And it's most appropriate relational for a way of him being present to us as us being human being, body to body. And so, as Theresa would say, or any of the great doctors on prayers, you want to learn about prayer? Pray and pray more and stick to it and get a friend who will hold you accountable and say, come, we're going to adoration because it's the perseverance that will bear fruit. And that's my experience. Maybe it's yours as well throughout the years. Jesus, there's a lot in the Eucharistic heart of Christ that he wants to reveal to us. Only fidelity. It's like the gospel, right? Jesus doesn't tell and reveal his intimacy to the disciples all at the beginning. The transfiguration came after many years of discipleship or many journeys. So the point is he will reveal himself in degrees to the Adora according to how generous they are to him and how much he will reveal the pearl of his own heart according to their fidelity. Key, key principle. I remember writing my first book. I read a book and there was a quote in it, Writers' Right. And so I started writing every single day and then I got good at it. And then I've written a ton of books since then. And it's like a dream to be able to serve the people this way. Prayers pray. People who pray pray. People who know how to pray pray. And that's a big thing. I would recommend Super Practical into the deep. I wrote a book on Lectio Divina. One of the things I think is not the greatest advice that it is. And I had a woman who I think is going to become a saint. I had a conversation with her named Michelle Dupont. And she was a focused missionary and she was, you know, they have a requirement where you spend an hour a day in adoration. She said she was extremely frustrated when we had this conversation. She's obviously passed away now. She said, I didn't know what to do. And so to get down to brass tacks of what to do, the first thing is just show up number one. And rest. Show up. Just sit and rest from the tumult of life. Right. Just show up and rest before Jesus. But sometimes people like me, your mind is like a monkey. I got a monkey mind. Yeah. And so you have to direct your thoughts in a particular way. So just take out the Gospel of John. You know, read into the deep. Take out the Gospel of John and read it and look up at the Lord. And you know, anything moves your heart of praise or or or forgiveness or anything. Say it or do it. But don't I think one big thing is don't go in going. I'm going to feel something. And and my success is whether or not I feel something right. That's that'll get you frustrated. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a great principle of this prayer life spiritual. Great principle of spiritual life for prayer is that we don't go to pray for us. We go there to for the sake of God for the sake of his love to give him glory and to adore him. And the fruit of that often would be just strength and peace. Like even if we walk away with no peace. I often quote this about Mother Teresa of Calcutta who experienced such darkness, yet she knew that time of adoration was absolutely indispensable to her and her sisters for their life. When they committed to daily adoration, their vocations went up and she would say that the moment they did that is when their ministry exploded too. So the Lord gives you something in adoration, whether you feel it or not. And often you won't experience it till later on in the day. And often as you become a regular adorer and being with Christ there, you will then start to see the difference. Even if you feel it or not. And often people will feel the sweetness of being with the Lord. And I would say most adorers would feel that. Some don't because God may have a different cross for them in their prayer line. So we're running out of time. One book recommendation. What is it to help them get? Well, I would recommend the Bishop of the Abandoned Tabernacle. The Bishop of the Abandoned Tabernacle. Translated by Victoria Schneider. Published by Scepter. Publishing. And it's on The Life of Sin Manuel Garcia and his writing. It's fantastic. Dominican House of Prayer. Father Jesse. Mango. Mango. Mango. Mango. Mango. You got it right the first time. I did. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for being with us, Father Jesse. It's been a real gift to have you on the show today. Steph, you want to take us out? No, I want to have a second show. So spiritualdirection.com. Yes. Head out to the spiritualdirection.com YouTube page and we'll get that there. Okay. So the editor, you can edit that out. So let's set it up for the editor the right way. So the good news is, Father is available for us to do a second show and we're going to do that out at spiritualdirection.com. So that's not good for the editor. Let's just end the show for the editor. Okay. But everybody's listening. They can do that. And then I'm a little tired today. So. Okay. So until next time, may the God of peace make you perfect in holiness. May he preserve you whole and entire spirit, soul, and body. You're approachable at the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Before you go off, Jordan, just to want to remind you all, spiritualdirection.com. Forward slides. Sign up events, pages there, shop pages there. I told you about my new book, Finding Peace in the Storm, what it'll be, which will be out next month. And Books a Million and Barnes and Noble are picking up. So pray for that, because it'll be a powerful witness to people who are struggling. And then, what's the other thing I want to tell everybody about? 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