 I want to also indulge you on something that's very, you know, that was very tropical and it's very sensitive because we saw this, you know, have an upward trajectory among us, you know, the politicians, you, that one in the political field, not all of you but some of you, but the UPND on national unity. It was the UPND's promise to unite the nation that was getting divided on tribal lines. Are we as a nation on the right path towards fighting tribalism and uniting the nation under this new administration? After the 2016 elections, Mr. Longo appointed a commission of inquiry to look into region of voting and issues of tribalism, electroviolence and so on. That commission produced a report that said indeed there was region of voting in this country or tribal voting. Indeed there was violence in our elections. Mr. Longo did nothing with that report. It was a waste of money. But it gave us something. It gave us an indication of a problem that was building up. We went into these elections on the same basis and the result that the last elections produced are not very different from that report. Yes, some parties gained a bit more in areas where they didn't do well, but the pattern still remained the same. We were promised by this government that they will work to unify the country, meaning to overcome these challenges. They complained about certain regions, southern province, western province and northwestern province in particular. Having been victimized, having been marginalized or segregated by the previous regime in some respects correctly so. They promised us a government that included all our people and inclusive government of all the ethnicities, the regions of our country. We were happy with that promise. What we have seen is different. For the first time in the history of our country, we have all the three arms of the state, the executive, the legislature and the judiciary under people from one region of the country. One region of the country. They have divided the country into two. This country, when Sesu Rodz colonized it, or this territory, he divided it into two. There was north eastern Rhodesia, which included what is now eastern province, northern Muchinga, Luapula and the northern parts of central province. There was north western Rhodesia, which included southern province, western, north western, southern parts of central province and the Kopa belt. He unified those two territories in 1911 to form northern Rhodesia. Even he had challenges to divide the territory of northern Rhodesia into two. But we have gone back to that division. What makes you say that? If you look at the key appointments of government today, first I've told you the three arms of the state are led by people from what used to be north western Rhodesia. The key ministries also are led by people from this half of the country. If you look at minister of finance, including Bank of Zambia, defense, home affairs, local government, justice, foreign affairs, education, health and so on. They are all under citizens from north western Rhodesia. You look at the defense and security. Your army commander, your air force commander, ZDNS commander, IG of the police, the chief of intelligence, they are all from north western Rhodesia. But aren't you being a little bit unfair by analyzing only the appointments of these heads? Why don't you look at the deputies as well to see the balance in that? Even that is not very much. Even that is not very much. I'm just telling you about the heads. That's what we are promised. If they had set another criteria, would you judge them by the criteria they set? They set a criteria to be judged upon. It's not me judging them on this criteria. They set this criteria for us to judge them on. This is the criteria they set. I'm also questioning it because if we're going to look at only the heads, it would sound, wouldn't it be a little bit unfair to say? It's like the other regions have been totally ousted out when the deputies that are serving in those positions from different regions. Take for instance the justice system in the country. Who is the minister of finance or the minister of legal affairs or minister of justice? The attorney general, the solista general, president of the county court. Of course they didn't appoint that but it's there. The chief justice, chairman of the judicial commision, chairman of the judicial complaint commission, commission of land. Even the legal advisor to the president, they are all from one region. The entire justice system under one region. Again if it was on merit, if they said they were just going to appoint people on merit regardless of where they come from, I wouldn't raise these issues but they told us it was going to be regionally balanced. This is what is there. You are talking about the deputies. You can also check. The pattern is not very much different. I'm not creating a criteria for judging them. This is what they promised you. Tell me if they didn't promise you this. Tell me if they didn't say so. So to get to the bottom of this, as far as you're concerned, we're not winning when it comes to uniting the nation. Our country has done better when we have all been united. You can't unite a country that is divided ethnically or regionally with more dozes of regionalism, with more dozes of ethnicity or tribalism. You can't. Definitely this is not the best way to unite the country. And very little you need to be achieved on this basis. You can't address injustices of the past with new injustices. You can't address imbalances of the past with more imbalances. I have the moral right to say this. I can say it freely because I come from all these regions. Even if you divided the country into two today, I still have one foot in the other and the other. I come from provinces in this country. I come from southern province, western province, northern and Michinga provinces. If you against people from southern province, you'll be against me even if I've done you no wrong. Because I'm Tuakareya. If you against people from western province, you'll be against me even if I've done you no wrong. I come from seven ethnicities in western province. If you against members or visas, you'll be against me because I'm a member visa. So I have no reason to side with one. My mother comes from the other half, my father comes from the other half. And I live in both. I've got villages in both sides of the divide. All what I'm saying is things can be done better. They can achieve their goals. This is the goal they set themselves. We did not set this goal for them. They set it for themselves. And we are saying the goal they set for themselves cannot be achieved this way. Can we look at governance? Because clearly you're not impressed with the appointments and uniting on the issues to do with uniting the country. Let me just also correct one thing. This does not mean all appointments made under this are of bad people. There are some outstanding appointments. And I'm on record saying the appointment of the chief justice was the best appointment. I think I also need to... Even the appointment of the chairman of the judicial service commission is a good appointment. But when you started to make appointments piecemeal or with other considerations you don't see, you may not achieve the pattern that you wanted to achieve. And I think they have run themselves into a lot of problems. Some of them may not be intentional. Some of them were intentional. But they have definitely run into a problem. I want to get you very clearly, Dr. Mende. And I'm going to ask you directly a question. Do you think these appointments were made on tribal grounds or political grounds? I don't know the basis. I can't get into their heads. Or what I'm giving you is what is there and match it with what they said they would do. I can't get into their minds. I was not privy to their thinking, to their considerations. Or what I can see is the result of what they have decided. And we are simply weighing that result, that outcome against the goals they set themselves, against what they told us they would do. You said when you started asking this question that is sensitive. I don't see anything sensitive about it. We have to be able to discuss all these issues openly. And I can discuss them openly because I don't have the inhibitions of tribal, this and that. I'm not inhibited in any way. I can talk about the losses freely. And in the past, I've challenged certain things in western province that have been done. I've challenged BEMBA hegemoni when it is there. And I can do so freely because nobody accused me of being against the BEMBA. Part of the BEMBA royal family. My family has produced 4 chitimukulus. The current chitimukulu is there as my cousin. Most of the chiefs in BEMBA today are my nephews and cousins. So nobody can accuse me of being anti-BEMBA. Nobody can say I'm not Losi. I belong to 4 royal families in western province. I'm a descendant of Mulambu. The 10th Ritunga of Balozeland. I belong to the Nkoya royal family of Mwenikahari. I belong to the Mbunda royal family of Mwenikandar and Mwenimundo. Nobody can accuse me of being anti-Losi. Nobody can accuse me of being anti-Sauden. I'm Tokalaya. And Tokalaya is very close to the Tongas.