 staff liaison Murray or is staff ready to start? I don't see the names as I can't see the planners if they've checked in yet on my screen. Yeah, if you can check the staff table teams. Mr. Maloney, it looks like we're good to go. Sounds good. All right, board members, if you can please start to turn on your videos and chair Musa, we can start the meeting at your discretion. Okay, I guess we'll get this get our meeting started. So the Santa Rosa meeting of the Cultural Heritage Board, if we could, Mr. Maloney, if we could have a roll call and call the order. Yes, let the record reflect that all board members are present except board members Gail and Huy. Thank you. Due to our restrictions with COVID-19, I have a statement that I'd like to read. Due to the provision of the governor's executive order in 25-20 and in 29-20, which suspend certain requirements of the Brown Act and the order of the health officer of the County of Sonoma to shelter in place to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Cultural Heritage Board is conducting today's meeting in a virtual setting using Zoom webinar. Board members and staff are participating from remote locations and or practicing appropriate social distancing. Members of the public may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website and as noted on the agenda. Members of the public wishing to speak during item three, public comment or during public hearing items will be able to do so by raising their hand and will be given the ability to address the board. Okay, moving on to approval of minutes. Do we have any changes or amendments to last meeting's minutes? Seeing none, I'd like to have the last meeting's minutes approved. I have submitted. Okay, at this point we're going to move into public comment period time and this is a time when members of the public who may be logged on via Zoom or their phone can make any general comment if there's comments that they would like to make regarding the items that we'll be addressing today. They'll have an opportunity to do that that time as well. So we are now open for public comment of any item intended in this meeting's agenda. If you wish to make a comment via Zoom, please select the raise hand button. If you are dialed in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. Each speaker has three minutes. A countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so. Your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown. Thank you, Chairman Neeser. It looks like no one's raising their hands at this time. Okay, we'll just give it just a few more seconds in case somebody comes in. Sounds good. I'll let you know right now we have three members of the public potentially they are part of the applicant teams and so many people are logged in right now. But not raising their hand. Correct. Correct. Okay, we'll move on to board business. And I will read the cultural heritage board statement of purpose. The cultural heritage board shall consider the following matters, standards, guidelines, and criteria to the extent applicable in determining whether to grant or deny a permit, whether the proposed change is consistent or incompatible with the architectural period of the building, whether the proposed change is compatible with any adjacent or nearby landmark structures or preservation district structures, whether the color, textures, materials, demonstrations, decorative features, and details proposed are consistent with the period and or are compatible with adjacent structures, whether the proposed change destroys or adversely affects the important architectural feature or features. The secretary of the interior standards for rehabilitation and guidelines for rehabilitating historic buildings. Such other matters, criteria, and standards as may be adopted by resolution of the cultural heritage board. And with that, we'll move on to department work. Karen Muser? Yes. Can I interject real quick? You sure can. Can you officially close the public comment period? Oh, yes. Thank you. Thank you. We will officially now close the public comment period. I'll make a note. Okay. And so with that, then our staff liaison, Murray, do you have a department report for us? My department report, I may be duplicating some of the comments that I made at our last meeting. I wanted to let y'all know that pretty much what we've got coming up is a whole bunch of training sessions. The meeting of the 16th, we should have a staff member in to talk about the general plan update and explain some of the outreach that we've been doing there and just give you a full scope review. I think he's also looking for comments, so hoping that y'all can be there. We also have tentatively it'll either be the 16th or the following July 7th meeting with the city clerk's office coming in to train everybody on the Brown Act. Sometimes can be a dry topic, but a very necessary topic. So that's coming. And then at the also at the meeting of the 16th, hopefully I will be giving just a, or we as a group will be going over the rules and regulations for the Cultural Heritage Board, which I think is also a can be a dry topic, but we can make it interesting. Anyway, so that's what's coming up. And that is it for my department reports. Thank you, staff. We're shy of board member right now and I know he's logging in. I've just received a text from him. I'm wondering if at this point we may want to reorder the agenda and do our concept item first and move the public hearing switch places with the public hearing so that we don't have to continue the the pine street project yet again. If that would be okay with you, Chair Muser. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. And so we will reorder. We will move item 7.1 to the last item and we will move up item 7.2. And if our board member hasn't logged in by that time, I might even suggest that we take a short recess if if if we're sure that he's going to be coming. We really want to be able to hear the pine street project today. Well, some of us may be able to hear it. Anyway, I agree. Okay, so I'm also then and and help me out with that. The staff lays on Murray. We're going to then skip over. Should we still do statement of extensions now or should we do that? I guess we should we're going to need to hear from a chair or a board member long. So I think the first why don't we do statement of abstentions for each item as they come up. So we'll we'll do that process twice. Okay, that sounds good. Okay, so what we're going to do now, fellow board members is we're going to do statement of extensions for item 7.2. At this time, does anybody have a need to abstain from item 7.2? Which the concept review for a remodel at 212 Pearl Street. Board members, if you can please use the raise hand feature so that we can capture it for the minutes if you need. Mr. Maloney, do we have any abstentions that you see? It does not appear so. Thank you. Okay, so with that then we're going to go ahead and move to item 7.2, which is concept review for a remodel at 212 Pearl Street. And since I'm probably for my own sake and also for the new board member's sake, I'm probably explaining things a little bit more than I normally or probably should. But first thing we need to do is to if any of the board members have any ex parte disclosures. So this would be the time that you would disclose things like if you talked to the property owner or if you've seen the site or if you have any kind of relationship with this particular property. So I'll just ask the board members to raise their hands for any ex parte disclosures that they may have for this project. And seeing none, I guess I will disclose. I did personally go and visit the site. I did not talk to any property owners, but I did walk around the building and view it from both, I think, all of Street and Earl Street. Chair Muser, I raised my hand, but somehow it didn't show. I also visited the property and walked around it. Thank you, Board Member Garrett. Chair Muser, I am also having trouble. I also visited the property to not speak to anyone. Thank you, Vice Chair Pennell. Yes. Yes, I did visit the property. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Chair Pennell. I also visited the property and looked on Earl and all of Street. Thank you, Board Member Bourne. Okay, with that, we have a Central City Planner, Christina Tomas, who is going to give us a presentation on this project. Thank you, Chair Muser and members of the Cultural Heritage Board. I'm Christina Tumians, Senior Planner. And we are reviewing a concept, a landmark concept review for 212 Earl Street. And the reason why this is coming to you as a concept review is it's part of a plan development for the Rosalind area. And it is part of a, not a historic district, but a historic neighborhood. There aren't any formal historic districts in the Rosalind area yet, but it is acknowledged that there are historic neighborhoods and the policy statement requires that projects within this plan development area be reviewed by the Cultural Heritage Board. And there was a determination made by the director that a review by the Cultural Heritage Board would include concept review prior to them obtaining or applying for a building permit. So the project today, the property owner is proposing to remodel the bathroom and laundry room in the southeast corner of the existing dwelling. The exterior changes will include eliminating one window in the laundry room and replacing two existing windows in a bedroom. This is an aerial of the project site, as you can see it's at the corner of Earl and Olive Street. The work that is being done is on the interior side of the property, not the street corner side. So it wouldn't be readily visible from the public right of way. Here is a site plan showing where the location of the proposed remodeling would take place. You can see all of all the street noted towards the bottom of the screen. This is a floor plan showing the what they planted demolished. And so it shows the removal of some windows at the top there. And some changes to some interior fixtures and doorways. This is a close up of the demolition plan. And the exterior changes are really what we're focusing on today. Here's the proposed floor plan showing how one window would be filled in with siding. There would be some new double hung windows in bedroom number three. And various other interior changes to the residence. There is a east elevation of property. And you can see the showing the two new windows proposed. And the existing laundry room that would be removed and replaced with siding. And the applicant is proposing on salvaging as much of the siding as possible and replacing what can't be salvaged with like for like materials. This is the rear or south elevation of the property showing that existing windows are to remain and existing siding is to remain and nothing's really being done to the rear of the property. Here are some photos of the existing site conditions. So this is the side of the house where those windows, one window that window closest to us on the screen would be filled in and replaced with siding. And the other windows would be replaced. The one that's kind of set higher up from the ground. Here's another photo of existing site conditions. The property owner and applicant, one in the same, are on the Zoom call this afternoon and can answer any additional questions you might have on their proposed remodeling project. And staff is also available for questions if you have any. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Tomasi. Did the applicant want to have anything to say or have any comments or any presentation? Hi, this is Becky Gershawn. I own the property with my husband, Ryan, who is also on the line, I think. No, you did a great job explaining it. I'm happy to answer any questions that you all might have, but I think you gave a great overview. I'm glad that the pictures were included as well just to give some context. Thank you, Ms. Gershawn. At this time, do any board members have any questions they'd like to direct to staff? We'll start with that, and then we'll give you a chance to direct questions to the applicant as well. Do you have any questions just for staff at this time? Not seeing any hands raised. Okay, any questions for the applicant? Board member Garrett? Notice that there is an auxiliary building already in the back east corner, but what is the building on the east side in the front of the building? There was that small building there. Yeah, I think that you're probably referring to our tiny house. We have been building a tiny house on a trailer for the last number of years. Nobody's living in it, and it's not quite done yet, but I think that's the building that you're referring to. It's not actually a structure that's fixed to the ground on a foundation. And will that stay there or will that move? It'll be here for a while. So is that permitted for being there more than a few days? No, we don't have a permit for it. It's on an RV, or sorry, excuse me, trailer. So it's not a building structure and nobody is living in it. And so our understanding is that since nobody's living in it, and it's just in our driveway, that we don't actually need a permit to have an RV type structure. Okay, thank you. Yep. And Vice-Chair Fennell? I would have a question as to this, let's see on the photos, it is the southeast back corner. Why you have chosen to have T-111 remain the T-111 siding, which is so absolutely opposite the rest of the siding on the remaining part of the house? Why that's there? And why that's going to stay? You're talking about on the south side of the building? Yeah, the southeast back corner near where the work is being done. Why would you keep the, why are you keeping the T-111 siding, which is so much more of a modern siding than the rest, the remainder of the house? Yes, excellent question. And I also am curious about why previous owners did it that way. Mostly we're keeping it because we're not changing those two windows that you see there. And it would be potentially pretty significant extra cost to replace all of that siding. And so it's just not within our budget and current project scope to tackle that. But maybe some day. I would love to see it someday. Yeah, that's the only question I have. Chair Muser, can I interject for just one second? Absolutely. Member Huang has joined us and I'd like to update the folks in attendance right now. Mike, can you? Yes, I'd like to reflect that now all commissioners are present, except I'm sorry board members are present, except board member Gail. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments or questions for the applicant or staff? I've got just very briefly. And now my comments are kind of in context with the whole neighborhood. And I just want to compliment the property owner, the croissants on the work they've been doing on their structure. It's obvious that they're putting some love into their building, maybe kind of piece by piece. And that's kind of how we do things. But it definitely shows they're on the corner. Hopefully your energies and your efforts will spread in the neighborhood. That often does happen. I don't have any issues with what you're doing. The one window that you're taking out is I'm not sure what that window is, but it's not of the original building. So I don't see it being any loss being removed. You're making an effort to put single hung windows of the same size back in where you're taking the other windows out. And as Vice Chair Fennell said, maybe someday you'll be able to wrap around the backside and take care of that back end. So unless there are, and I want to make sure the board member Wong, coming in late, if you have an opportunity, if you have anything you want to say about this project, as well, we'll kind of end with any final comments that any of the board members might have. And you're on mute. I said I have no other comments. Thank you. Okay. Chair Musur, I have a comment if we're closing. Are we closing? No, not quite yet. Go ahead. Well, first I would like to say to Planner, how do you pronounce your name, Jimanas? It's Jimuans. Thank you. It is really nice to see a project from the Roseland District. Even though it's not yet an historic district, I think it's exciting that we're beginning to see movement in that area. And I would like to commend the Gershawns for what appears to be a really nice job for a really sweet little home. And commend you also for salvaging the original materials, which I'm assuming are Redwood, TNG. And since the back of the house doesn't show, and we don't have to look at the T111, I'm not particularly bothered by that at this point. But sorry, I hate T111. So anytime you eventually get rid of it, it will be great. But congratulations on what appears to be a really nice project. Thank you. Thank you, Board Member Garrett. At this time, I would like to open up for public comment. If there's anybody who is logged in watching, who would like to make any public comment, this would be a time that you could make comment on this project. Thank you, Chair Muser. It doesn't appear anyone's raising their hands at this time. Okay, we'll close the public comment. And there is no action, but just a quick summary for the applicant. What I heard was more pertain to the backside of the building if there's opportunity to eliminate the T111 siding and the windows in the back at some future time. And there was comment regarding the accessory structure at the end of the driveway, but it sounds like that that's just a mobile type vehicle and probably not an issue for us here. And other than that, I think there was pretty much support from the Board. So any final comments before we close this item? Okay, thank you again, Gershawns, for coming to us. I know it's a process. We do appreciate your time and your effort. And with that, we'll close item 7.2. Oh, and thank you to staff too. I know how hard you guys work and how much time goes into these things. So thank you for your time. Okay, we're now going to go to statement of abstentions for item 7.1. So at this time, do we have any Board members who need to abstain from item 7.1? If so, and if you could also state your reason why you need to abstain. Chair Muser, I have to abstain from 7.1 due to conflict with close proximity to the subject property. Thank you, Chair Fennell. Chair Muser, I also need to abstain because of close proximity to my property. Thank you, Board Member Wong. And as Chair, I also need to abstain due to close proximity to my property. So with that, I'm going to ask staff liaison Murray to take us from Harris and give us direction of where we need to go. So this is a, we have a long-term illness on our board, a member that will be out for an indefinite time, a period of time. And because of that, we have two members that can act on this, or I'm sorry, three members that can act on this item and three members that have to abstain. And because there's an indefinite period of time, we wouldn't be able to act on this project. So the state allows us to do something, a straw pool procedure, which given the virtual environment these days, I will ask Patty and Mike in the council chamber to actually draw names from, I think a hat, but it will be a way where they have to draw names on camera and we won't be, they won't be able to see those names. There's Mike now. Hi, Mike. Patty. So, and once we'll pull one name out of the hat, and that name will include Chair Muser, those names include Chair Muser, Vice Chair Fennell, and Board Member Wong. One of those people and they have all studied up on the project. Thank you very much for doing that in the off chance that their name may be selected for this and we can achieve a quorum and get 659 Pine Street on its way to its property improvements, hopefully, today. So, anyways, Mike and Patty. Just to clarify, we're just pulling one name then. Yeah, we will be pulling one name today. Once we pull the names, that person will be asked to stay and the other two board members will be asked to sign off for the day. It's not necessary to come back for the adjournment. Henry, it looks like you had a question. Did you have a question? Your mute is on. I did not have a question. I'm sorry. Okay, that's fine. Okay, so are we ready? Patty, Mike? Yes, I'll be taking it over. We have our official CHB Strava within review date in the past. Spared no expense. I'm coming as you live from Council chambers with your names on pieces of paper. That's one going in. Admiral, please. So, Board Member Wong, you'll be remaining and I'm going to ask Chair and Vice Chair Fennell to leave and this leaves us, again, in a situation that we were not anticipating. So, I am going to ask a board member after Vice Chair Fennell and Chair Musor leave the meeting. I'm going to ask the one board member volunteer to run the meeting. So, by Chair Musor, by Vice Chair Fennell, thank you very much for being here today. Thank you, Liz. I'm sorry. So, actually, Board Member Garrett, you have been through more meetings than anybody else on this meeting and between the two of us, I think that we can go through here. I have a script in front of me that I can email to you now so that you can look at it as you go through or I can coach you through whatever works for you. You can email me or coach me through. First, I want to congratulate Board Member Wong for being a lucky winner. Thank you. Hard to working with you. Absolutely. Okay. So, I'm going to ask, maybe we could take just about a five-minute recess here so that I can work with Board Member Garrett and just make sure this goes smooth as grease lightening through here. Okay? All righty. Thank you. So, if all board members can please turn off their cameras and we will let you know when you can come back. Thank you. We can hear you. Mike and Patty, I think we are ready to go. Sounds good. If all the board members can please turn their cameras back on and Board Member Garrett will start at your discretion. Board Member Garrett, you're on mute. I guess I have to repeat myself. I'm sorry. Item 7.1, public hearing. This is a portion foundation repair at 659 Pine Street. The project planner is Adam. I need to move. I'm sorry. I'm a little behind here. So, it's a foundation repair to the Rodriguez porch funding and exterior modifications to restore the residential unit similar to its original materials and appearance including sliding and window replacement. Project planner is Adam Ross. Hi, Adam. Go ahead. Question before we start this. What does exempt project mean? It says at the top, in this intro, it says public hearing, portion foundation repair, exempt project. I can answer that. The exempt is in relation to the California Environmental Quality Act. So, it's exempt, which I will get into and go over in the presentation for you. Okay. Excellent. So, I'm going to go ahead and start the PowerPoint presentation. There's just one from staff. The applicant is here and we'll use my PowerPoint presentation for reference should we need it for whatever Paul Larson needs to specify for you. Okay. Do you see the presentation? Okay. So, this is the Rodriguez. Sorry. Thank you. Board Member Garrett acting as the chair now and members of the cultural heritage board. I'm Adam Ross in terms senior planner in the planning and economic development department. The item before you is the Rodriguez renovation and porch and foundation repair. It's a landmark alteration permit. A major landmark alteration permit required to come before you, before the board for review and decision on it. It's located at 659 Pine Street in the city. So, the project includes exterior modifications. It's removing metal fascist siding to expose the original three lap round face, drop wood siding and restoring what they can or replacing in kind. That's for the whole house. Replacing the front porch with like materials and adding and at the same time adding a craftsman type front gable to the porch and replacing the stone veneer with similar stone veneer as well. Replacing street facing vinyl windows with single hung fiber glass windows and removal of the shed in the back to construct an accessory dwelling unit with reduced setbacks. For that portion, the board's purview is just the reduced setbacks in within the Burbank Gardens preservation district. The AU itself is ministerial and not subject to the board's review. So, here's a overall image. It shows that it is a contributor to the Burbank Gardens subdivision in the Burbank Gardens plan development district, which is PD0-225 in the age combining district. That just means that it's the zoning code for the historic district and as specified for the Burbank Gardens preservation district is adhered to for this property. The general plan land use designation is low density residential. It's currently a single family home and it matches that density as well. So, just another just a bit of a clear image as you can see it's near the intersection of Brown Street and Pine Street. Here's the proposed site plan. So, here's the driveway coming up, new concrete paving as required for the project. Here's the porch that is to be repaired and replaced in and I'll go over that a little bit. Existing residents, there's no expansion of the size of the structure and the siding obviously goes around the two front windows face the street and this is the proposed accessory dwelling unit to replace the shed. It currently is not really big enough to fit a car and there's no foundation there or anything like that and I'll let the applicant go over that a little bit more if necessary. So, here's some site photos of the porch to be replaced. As you can see there's some foundation problems it's sinking into the kind of into the ground so part of this project came from having to just replace that just so that it is safe and usable. These are the windows, these are the windows that are to be replaced with single hung windows. These wood columns are to be preserved if possible and if not then replaced in kind. The front gable will go here and here and the stone veneer will be similar. You can't quite get the same in kind here although that according to the district compatibility report that stone veneer is of unknown vintage so as far as it's historic historic value goes for the project or for the property. So here's just some more images of just the needed repair which then turned into a little bit more of kind of enhancing the porch. So here's the project plans. As you can see the stone veneer won't be quite the same but it's it's there where it is these are the the pillars that are replaced in kind if not able to keep restore and keep. These are those single hung fiberglass windows that would replace those vinyl ones that are non-historic. Here's that front gable sorry if my mouse is a little squiggly my cursor. Here's that front gable to be added to the to the property and these this is what the representation of the of the three lap bottom rounded wood siding would be. The and then as you can see it goes around the whole property that siding. So here's some images of the existing shed to be removed and replaced with a new adu. So you see off that this is it from I believe the alley behind the is that it this side yard I should say from the neighbor's property here and then there's no foundation I think it's just dirt floor and this is the current setback that would be retained with the new adu. So here's just for reference the adu they keep it relatively the same to met of kind of the style that it is now and it matches the existing housing the siding the same style of the of the existing home and then this door faces the internal internal to the property site so this this door here faces the driveway out to the street and this is another door that faces internal to the backyard. So the historic analysis of the city documents included the processing review procedures for owners of historic properties the general plan the zoning code and design guidelines for historic properties some of the observations that was made and highlighted in the staff report is the report replacement is in kind when able the metal siding is not historic and the original three lap round rounded face drop wood siding is more appropriate while the fiberglass window is not wood it is still more similar than the existing vinyl windows to to the historic nature of the of the property. The proposed adu structure is in is generally the same location as the previous structures and the reduced setback is similar to others in this preservation district so that kind of layout is is pretty common within the Burbank gardens preservation district and all findings including the secretary of interior standards are supported by the district compatibility study by john h murphy and it was dated February 8th 2021 it was attachment for as part of this the agenda packet. The environmental review for this project in as required by the California Environment Equality Act CEQA which is it's an exempt it was found to be exempt or staff finds it to be exempt the board would be the one making the decision on this exemption as part of the resolution whether it's adopted or continued or denied so that in that resolution and in the staff report it goes over these but section 15301 is for exempt projects which are repairs for existing structures it's kind of written so that single family homes can are not really subject to a big environmental analysis because it's pretty straightforward you're talking about minor repairs to the structure and that also goes into 15303 which is construction of a small structure and conversion of an existing structure there these are similar or and not completely limited to but it is it is the construction of a new small ad structure and the porch would be the convert the new structure as well and section 15331 which is restoration of a historic resource in a manner consistent with the secretary of interior standards that is supported by the district compatibility study authored by a written by an authorized architectural historian and those findings have been met no public comments have been received about this project whether that was in the notice of application or the notice of the project coming before the before the cultural heritage board with that the recommendation by the planning and economic development department is that the cultural heritage board approve a landmark alteration permit for the property located at 659 pine street and again i'm adam ross with planning and economic development department i'm here for any questions i know the applicant is here he may want to go over some some additional information for you and and be prepared to answer any questions the board may have as well as myself being able to answer any questions i that i can for you as well and that concludes staff's presentation board member gary you're on mute thank you adam very much for the presentation and before we move to the applicant's comments i'd like to ask for exparte disclosures so if anyone has met the owners or the project or what you know has gone to see the project now would be the time to say something and i actually um want to disclose that i went past the project and spent time looking at it and board member boran you're on mute board member boran you're new i got um and i also went by and spent some time observing what needed to be done and what the plan was so thank you okay if no one else has it oh i'm sorry board member hong i also can you hear me yes okay i also drove by the property and spent some time looking at the project thank you okay if there are no further disclosures then um now would be the time for the applicant um do you have any comments um does the applicant have any comments the the applicant's raising his hand and and i'm sure the support staff will give him some permission to unmute himself shortly great okay can you hear me now yes okay uh and paul arson the applicant and resident um on the property at 659 paul pine street and uh i think adam covered it pretty well um my wife and i've been in the house for about 10 years and the outside has gone through um after uh visiting with the historian who visited the property john murphy apparently the house was built in 1922 but it's gone through a lot of changes in the the 60s and 70s including the uh the dropped aluminum siding the the stone veneer that was put on the porch there's a concrete slab that was poured over the original porch framing so we've got a lot of settlement in the porch so the the project is really just to kind of stabilize and clean up the house and try to get it back to what it was before without any major modifications to it so that's that's kind of what we're attempting to do so we'd like your input on it and appreciate your time on the project and i can ask answer any questions that you might have thank you thank you mr larson um are there any board members who have clarifying questions of staff not seeing any um are there any for the applicant i i have questions for you mr larson um generally we prefer wood windows um is it a matter of budget that that you're not putting them in or is there some other reason am i unmuted still yes you are thank you okay yeah no um it is primarily budget but also the fact that the entire house has been somewhere i don't know prior to r i can see somebody came in and replaced all the windows with old ladies vinyl windows so you know realistically what we're trying to do is just improve it um looking at fiberless windows they have a profile that's within about a half inch of the of the wood so from the street it's pretty pretty close in and they are you know about half the cost of the wood windows so um you know other facet is if we do wood windows we're probably going to end up painting them on the inside because all the rest of windows are white on the inside so you know it's something we we really didn't want to you know put the funds towards that where we're just going to try to cover that and these would be inset so they'd have a sill like a like a real wood window yeah the the fiberglass windows are actually their profiles different the um the vinyls got like an inch and three quarter profile on the sash because we went and looked at um you know the marvin windows marvin that makes the wood windows they actually make a clad window that's um wood with a clad it's very similar to their fiberglass windows about a half inch difference like i say from the street it pretty much appears like a wood window yeah no they're a big improvement thank you um i just had to ask that question and um for the stone veneer in the front do you have an idea of what you'd be using there uh yeah actually there was a submittal on it i don't know if it made it into your package or not but uh what we're figuring to do is use what's there is a cast concrete stone veneer that they bought out in the probably the late six and early seventies oh that's good if you if you could imagine i don't know that you want to but um you know we're looking at more of a lead stone in a real stone uh we're figuring to put the the rail back as opposed to wood which is you know there and brought it out right now we're going to use cmu and put stone veneer on both sides um so we'll get a thin cut stone lead stone veneer and the staff does have a copy of the uh the cutting on the stone oh okay i for some reason i i didn't see it maybe we got it in our packet and i didn't see it um so thank you um the i think the rest is definitely an improvement um for the project and i'm sorry it's taken so long to get this before us but hopefully we can we can get get this taken care of today thank you um so that so does anybody have any further questions not seeing any um this is a public hearing so i'm going to open that public hearing um and um thank you board member gary right now we have one member of the public attending and they are not raising their hand all right so then we will close the public hearing if no one else is um wanting to speak um so um are there any more does anybody have any questions of staff or of the applicant before we um vote okay would someone be willing to make a motion for the resolution i don't think i can do that can i um board member boran you are still you're mute but if you're willing to make them thank you so i move that the cultural if this is the way to word it since it's my first time i move that the cultural heritage board approve the project at 659 pine street and then you have to give the landmark alteration number okay board member boran if you have a copy of the resolution you can read the the very top bold section of that resolution and that will that will um summarize your uh your motion okay and i appreciate your willingness and enthusiasm to do this well i have all the attachments um a resolution i see a resolution of the cultural heritage board of the city of santa rosa approving a landmark alteration permit for rodriguez renovation and porch and foundation repair located at 659 pine street in the berbank garden preservation district assessors parcel number 009-263-024 file number lma-20012 and you can wave the text you can wave the reading of the the rest of the text if you wish okay and i will wave the reading of the rest of the text is there a second thank you second board member along thank you both for jumping into the fire with both feet on your first book so we have um a motion and a second um um so i will ask each board member to comment um or make a friendly amendment if they would like to um i think at this point uh board member garrett i think uh it's time to have discussion if if you'd like to discuss it among the the board members um now that you've got project clarification and then um at that point you know if anybody wants to add some conditions of approval which are done through the friendly amendment process i think it's semantics almost there um you can you uh the person who if there's a friendly amendment made board member boran would have to accept it as would board member huang and then um after all comments have been made and any friendly amendments have been accepted then uh mike will call for the vote you'll call you'll ask mike to call the vote okay thank you so do any board members have a comment or would they like to add any requests to the um to the resolution i don't see any and i don't have any either but it's nice to have a really easy project come before us that um is nicely done and easy to um to vote on and make happen so thank you very much and um adam would you would plan or ross be willing to um take over from here i actually i'm gonna take over i'm gonna interject again and i'm gonna use um i've uh board member gary if you can call on each one of the board members and ask them if they can make the findings and just go around the circle and after that you can you can ask staff to call for the vote okay so we do have to go to each person yeah just to make sure the findings can be made okay thank you um board member boran do you have any comments um i didn't quite understand what meet the findings so are you comfortable with um everything that we are going to vote on or do you have additional questions or things you'd like to add no i am uncomfortable with the with to vote on this yes board member long i can make all the findings and yes thank you board member pretzela yes i can make all the findings and i just wanted to add that i just wanted to to to thank um the applicants for their patients um as i know there were some delays in getting this um to us so thank you for hanging in there and for being patient and um and i'm with that too thank you very much um as you know some of us are new very new to the board and some of us have not been able to meet um on a regular basis so thank goodness we're here today thank you um all right now miss marina am i allowed to turn it over now i think you can you can ask staff to call the vote call for the vote okay i think they might be waiting for you to ask well i i'm sorry i'm this is very formal um so uh planner rask or staff can you please call for the vote thank you board member gary this is the recording secretary we're gonna start we usually go in alphabetical order followed by the chair in this case um board member garrett you are um chair for this meeting so for this item so we're gonna start with board member boran and that's a yay or nay yay thank you thanks board member won't yay board member pretzelis yay and board member gary yay so that item passes with four yes thank you so board member gary i think from here you have you have one more thing you can just call the adjournment of the meeting and thank you very much for doing this thank you thank you and um i call for dear german and the meeting thank you thank you