 Oh my god, I'm falling. Ah, oh no. You're like a little picture on a screen. Oh, oh, I guess I'm fine. No dramatic metal. I just need to get the crowd going, you know. Yeah, they're all excited now. Ooh, someone's falling. And it's metal, fuck yeah. It wouldn't be any fun though if you just died. They were going to get back up and then fall again. Yeah, yeah. You continue laughing. I don't want to suffer anymore. You can be E-fap's very own Sisyphus. You're my Sisyphus. The worst kind of Sys? Oh, maybe. I don't know. Very cool. Who would you rather be, Sisyphus or Prometheus? I don't want that to be that movie. I heard it's bad. I didn't say it'd be a movie. I think it's Sisyphus, right? You'd rather push a boulder than have your guts eating out every day. Yeah, yeah. I think that's... It would suck either way. Maybe the one pushing the boulder eventually would be like, you know, I could go forget my guts ripped out today. I mean, I want to start working out more again, so maybe I'll do some Sisyphus stuff. Oh, well, see, that's actually a benefit. There's no benefit getting your guts pulled out every day or your guts don't get stronger, you know. You don't have to walk anywhere, I guess. It's like, oh, I'm chilling here. I'll get annoying eventually. You'd rather be able to walk. I'll get annoying eventually. You'd rather be able to walk than not be able to walk at all, right? Yeah. You can lie on a bed, I guess. Even with that, Prometheus wasn't lying on the bed. He was, like, tied up. He could call it a draw, I guess. When are they going to put Prometheus and Sisyphus into the MCU? They should. I need to answer that question now. Uh, the 2025. Oh, sweet. Was that on one of those phase board things? No, they told me specifically, because, like, hey, this season's like a cool guy, that metal guy, like, hey, we're going to do Sisyphus in 2025, so I don't care, but thank you. Hmm. Well, oh, look, chats here. Everyone say hi. Wait, chat was invited? They sneaked in. I couldn't stop them. Chat, I didn't recall giving permission for your presence. I'm sorry, you're going to have to go. Well, I was not part of the contract. Um, some people are saying, where be Dogo? Alright, I'm going to explain this this time, and then I'm going to explain it every probably hour, because of new people. So, Rags is on a holiday of sorts, I believe, so he's unavailable. However, I'm sure he'll be back, because next week there's a thing happening. Are you guys aware of that? There's some kind of celebration on my end, I don't know. I'm just here on my way. I found it. Like this whole thing. Oh, and that's not even including the potential for a, I said on Twitter I'm expecting to release the video in a week's time, as of yesterday. Geez, I got six days to fucking finish that shit. That's all on you. That's all on you. I've done my part. Mews, it's all on you. Oh, well, that's the same for all of you guys. I'm very thankful for it. It is kind of funny. Everyone's given in their pieces of the Voltron and I'm the guy who's got to put the little plug in the power socket and flip the switch and I'm like, oh, geez, I'm slipping over the floor. There's several plugs, some of them don't work. I'm just like, ah. I haven't done shit. Though I should first and foremost introduce our guest, Aruni. We have managed to talk once before, but to help chat confusion as well as possibly some of the other memes, I believe this was the crew we had when checking out a certain video on Spider-Man No Way Home, except Rags was here, but he's not going to be here this time, unfortunately. The video was about how No Way Home is not very good, which, like I said, we agree with. We just had different we consider it a mixed bag, right? Yeah. And the video posited among several things that it's kind of like Spider-Man has reverse of the expectation of the sort of rule and we had backs and forths with the video about it. This is the creator of said video, but now I don't want to get this wrong, so I'm going to ask, I think I asked you first time when I met you, but is it Nutsa or Nutsa? Well, it doesn't really matter. I would say Nutsa, but it's weird to pronounce, so, yeah. You can call me Nutsa, or Nutsa. I don't know. There are a lot of jokes people make which is really hard to avoid, but We'll not make any of those. We're civilized. We don't do that sort of thing, right, Mattle? Shut up. He's my go-to for civilized people. Yeah, I don't know why. He's crying to show that he means you know harm. Yeah. I think that's what it means in his culture. Anyway, nice to meet you. Thank you. I did meet you before. We had a little chat with my friend who was in the call, but may as well catch everybody up, I guess. The first thing I like to talk about when I have somebody on who we've covered is just like, well, what's up? Anything going through your head? What do you think of our coverage, I guess? Well, first of all, I got unexpected because I got like sudden comments on that particular video which I, you know, I tried to avoid comments, but that particular day, I decided to check it out and everybody was talking about it and I was like, what is going on and I checked it and oh, I saw the video and my first instinct was to basically go for a wine and I got drunk and that's how I watched the video. It was really fun. So, I mean, it's never fun to hear people criticize you, but I didn't really take it too personally. I actually liked it pretty much. Oh, that's a really good result of all the results there could be. Yeah. I was actually quite kind of like shocked by how scared people were like in the comments how people were like impressed that you guys in drug me through the mud throughout all of it and they were expecting me to be like, oh my god, like riot and everything which definitely was not my first instinct not before checking the video and even after. We have a stab in the dark here but I think for you might be able to think about it as well but like of all the people we have covered of those who have seen that we've covered them and said something in response I think we get more positive than negative, right? It seems that way. We have plenty of negative, of course. It does pop up here and there but like it was two e-faps ago I think that we had the guy we were covering come on during the coverage and you were really chill. You just talked to him about stuff as well. Pretty original. Funnily enough we've had that throughout I don't even know who the first person to do that was but I feel like I was back in year one the original, I feel like it goes to Jay, right? Jay's got the crown on the whole coverage and then having a chat but during coverage, yeah that's not that often but we have, everyone's saying it was Jay that wasn't, Jay didn't come on during coverage guys you're all two streams later. See, Memes got a way better memory and he has to because he makes memes you can't have effective memes without effective memory See, Thunders, Jay came on after gosh I think everybody who just who just said the reverse should be banned for misinformation gotta have a clean stream, you know, but yeah Well, it's good to hear that Do you have a preference of wine out of curiosity? I tend to have spirits I don't like wine I don't either Oh Is it like you grab a box of wine and just go for it whatever it is We have that lying around in our house everywhere Oh sweet Got a couple of casks, that's what they called right the big barrels I know that from League of Legends I didn't know what cask was before that any of you guys know what cask is? Is that a familiar word for you guys? I think I know I think I know it, yeah There you go, education So Where should we I guess one of the things I told you and I stand by is that you could tell even from our coverage that we liked your editing which rarely comes up A lot of the time we cover people they have the exact same editing style because they're all from like the same school of video essayist where they put the word on the screen Interesting thing I noticed that too actually the first time I started when I decided to make a video essay my thought process was like okay there are just like tons of people out there like I need to first of all I need to stand out somehow and I worked as an editor like from a very young age for some reason I don't know I was not really good at it but I got better at it and I was like okay I need to stand out and secondly I need something that like if people really hate what I say and if they hate my opinions and like hate whatever I have to say in the video itself they cannot like fully say that it's complete trash They have to admit it was effort put in there at the very least I mean I personally looking back I'm not really like that big of a fan of all the shaky stuff I did in that particular video but yeah I mean when I was making video essays it was like I will put so much effort into my presentation that people won't be able to like write me off as trash right away like they will be like okay well made video opinions sucked but you know they won't be able to completely trash me I think that was a very correct conclusion to come too because I think that a lot of the time like visuals can help tremendously because I would imagine for whatever reason that putting text on screen like works I don't know why it appeals to something yeah it seems to work so yeah visual seems to matter I wonder about that theory though because there's a graveyard of channels that do that and it goes nowhere you know that is so what is it that makes somebody is it just getting the one that hitches right on the algorithm or they didn't put the right word in the sentence on screen there it's a different one well because there is probably a rule set so choosing the correct word to put on screen you know you don't want to put in the second word of the sentence you got to put in the third word of the sentence if I'm being generous like the usual I would have thought the idea is say your video is about identity and it relates to some film you're reviewing like it's a casual word in the middle of a sentence you had to explain the summary of the plot or something you put it on screen as a sort of way of saying like this is going to be relevant for many of the things we're going to be talking about that particular way like there's something to that but it just became this thing as we covered it with it was just put random words in the middle of the screen it's like why are you doing this it's like an incomplete transcript oh I remember I'll go for it oh no say whatever yeah I'll continue for it well I remembered about like no way home I think after like first video I started really concentrating when it comes to editing about like making whatever the concept was of the video whatever the theme was I was trying to make it like person like stylized like the editing and graphics would be stylized to that concept like in no way home video for example the transitions like the title screens and the beginning were like stylized around the ending of homecoming like the ending sequence when the director's name comes up and I actually used those sequences and I added them as layers like I sort of yeah I did that so I think those types of like small thought processes just really help it help most people don't notice it but I think it helps with algorithms for some reason I don't know oh I mean it makes for a much more entertaining video right because it's funny how a style can evolve to the point of becoming boring when it was first seen it was really interesting that's what I feel like the standard video essay approach is while yours felt like it was your own thing as opposed to one we'd seen before yeah and I was really scared about that when I was starting out I was like how do I not like blend in I mean of course like you blend in of course your video essays like there are thousands of them and there are much better editors and stuff but still like I was scared about that I was glad that it turned out and people praised me for my editing because it was like the biggest praise because I actually pay attention to that type of stuff I think when you're not just looping trailer footage like you're already just such a cut above the rest because I just tune out whenever I can tell that it's just like yep it's the same thing being looped over and over again it's like my brain turns a little bit too much mush with those visuals a lot of the time because it might as well just be like audio podcast sort of yeah they find ways around making the visual like they'll try and make it seem because one of the things we noticed early on in EFAB was like sometimes people take so little care with their visuals there'll be a point they make and they're using a visual that either like they'll mention Hulk or something and then there'll just be Iron Man shooting someone that's like oh they didn't care about that at all did they? Or worse than that it'll actively contradict what they're saying Oh yes, that's like We had a recent example of that on a video I mean for you were testing out for a future EFAB so enjoy that when that comes around it was a really great moment actually I baited it a little bit I was talking about it on real BBC but it's just someone's talking about how there's nothing to cap except him being strong in Avengers meanwhile like the visual is him saving a whole bunch of civilians from being killed it's just like I don't I don't see That's a very unfortunate opinion First of all yes and like when I'm when I'm actually writing scripts a lot of the time sometimes happens that I realize while I'm editing or recording my voice that I forgot to like mention something that was like very integral to this video working out so I just if you realize that with sort of videos you can just add that information without actually speaking it it's like really important to pay attention to those type of stuff and I always do I always try to So much they can go into it to appreciate about a process unfortunately like whenever there's a trend or particularly popular I still blame I think it's I want to say nude soup or someone someone started this where the video essay obsession on YouTube and made it go stagnant really quick the point where some of them the whole point of gadelb was like a it's like a reference to how a lot of videos have become gadelb without as being as obvious where they chew up an idea and then they spit out some stuff with the format in mind and they don't even know what their point is I think that's kind of what happened with the guy that we covered out the second video we covered you know the one that said the reason phase four is considered bad is because they're doing stories that are individual to the heroes rather than big ensemble ones the case of a thought that like emerged but wasn't irrigated like you have the thought and then you just went straight into justifying that position and you never threw the argument against that position at it the way that's a bit of advice I suppose it's like you need to have positions that are falsifiable so what would it take to falsify the position that phase four was only bad because it focused on individual stories like well one of the components should be that they shouldn't be willed ending events right that's got to be one of the things that gets in the way of solo small steak stories we have willed ending events constantly in phase four oh yeah you should know what the counter arguments are for a point you're making so that you can not only to like bake them into your into your points anyway but just you might be wrong like it's good to figure that out before you make the video and yeah there's those other theories right there was no story that binds a lot of the stories together and it's like okay but the binding of the previous phases wasn't exactly extensive it was relatively thin like you know it just doesn't sound like that's the that's the answer either but I don't know if you guys have noticed it it's been popular by my recommended there's loads of videos now popping up saying like this is the true problem with phase four this is the actual why phase four is but and it's just like it's just badly written most of it like it's the grim reality lacks internal consistency there are now it's become a very popular thing to shit on Marvel which I'm not against at the moment it's bizarre as chat will be able to understand as well like our adventure shitting on all these projects as they come out for the most part watching all these other people celebrate them and then these same people like phase four has been bad hasn't it it's like wait what no you guys love that one I remember all of the things you said about moon night and multibus I haven't forgotten we never forget well even Shang-Chi I remember when I came out everyone was like Shang-Chi great but and I started by this nobody can tell me what happened in that movie anymore it's been completely forgotten nobody can tell you anything that happens in like any of the films I would be surprised if people could even tell you what the plot of moon night was like what it was about that's actually one I would kind of struggle I can picture the beginning and then there's a gap and then he's in Egypt and then there's the mental hospital yeah I remember Kaiju I had a funny experience with like multiverse of madness like the moment I went out of the theater I was like wait what did I just watch I had no idea what was that and everybody wanted to talk about the plot I was like maybe I just blacked out I feel like nobody wanted to talk about the plot with that so nobody wanted to talk about the plot the visuals one of my friends the only thing she talked about was like oh she had lesbian mothers and I was like oh yeah I suppose that's the only yeah okay I was too distracted by the bee to think about any of that well the memory store her parents are dead because they caused an incursion in whatever universe they ended up in there's no fucking way Michael thought about that there's no way even though that's no that was his job and that's not even he made so many rules that just like a restrictive of all the characters who could cause incursions right even the ones in no way home you can at least argue all of these examples haven't been here very long yet but the parents they're so dead they've been gone for a while like a decade they're dead and they've killed trillions of people with them because incursions and I'm sure that when the multiverse saga ends we will never see any other universes again I'm sure that they will close the door I'm not even sure we'll see an incursion again we will see her parents more than likely we'll definitely see incursions we didn't see one yet right so that's what we want to show it depends on what you mean by that Michael Waldron's incursions versus what we saw in no way home because I don't even know if no way home had incursions or if it was just stuff it was tearing which is very different from incursions you have to understand they might pull like a book of Vashanti and just like have it be like oh here's a couple of incursions and now incursions can't occur anymore because we realize we can't work around them they won't want them to occur anymore because again the rules are restrictive why would you have it that only why would you not have it that like Doctor Strange and other sorcerers can pretty freely move between different universes why would you put that limitation why would you bind it to only one character why would you then make it that if any character is in another universe for some arbitrary amount of time it destroys that universe do you not think it could be cool to have characters in another universe for an extended period like why would you make these rules why would you make the rules so restrictive and not only make them restrictive but then contradict those things within the same film and the sadness that comes with it that he's probably not got the passion level that he'll be writing the whole script and then someone who's writing the next MCU thing will be like oh by the way Michael what causes an incursion again he'd be like when you travel through universes in general I guess no I guess that's good he's like can't you just watch the movie it's in there he'd be like oh okay that's the problem Mike that's why I'm asking and then I watched Loki and I have more questions than answers remember there's a difference between universes dimensions and timelines they're not the same thing even though they're said interchangeably in Doctor Strange you're gonna list it you gotta include all of the realities is another one and I don't want anyone in chat telling me there is any level of consistency with how they use these labels there is not the one that really gets to me is when they explicitly talking about timelines and then the ancient one refers to it as a reality that gets created when you do that the reality is as a result of like just the timeline it's all so fucking confusing especially when you go quantum realm that's the only time we've ever used the word realm and you're like okay cool sweet fine it's a realm that's different than the rest of the words and then he goes what's a realm and he goes well a realm is a reality weird it's like no this really reminds me of like if you took all the like time travel movies with their own rules and put them in the same cinematic universe and was like yeah yeah that's what it took multiple time travel rules and then did it in one movie it thinks it didn't but it did it thinks it didn't and then Loki just decides to ignore all of that too to do its own bullshit oh oh and if you go by what if the doctor strange episodes adds even more rules where if you use the time stone you can go back and forth within your own timeline but you can't alter anything if it stops the present outcome unless you like do obscene levels of magic and then that breaks the universe and it melts the doctor strange undid destroying earth in the first one I was about to say did that yeah well I don't know come on guys, come on consults what if episode four or five with the time stone destroyed in their main reality shouldn't do mamu be like trying to get back in clears his daughter so I think maybe the I don't know how does that work do mamu's kid is okay stop asking questions stop it I'm sure there's a way it can work and they will not find out here's a thought if someone actually cared and they were like no incursions are definitely a thing and those mums would have died they'd be like okay wink wink and then she meets up with their mums again and they're like scientists in this room and they're like this is a gun that if you shoot it into the sky it'll fix the incursion that was happening at the time they're like no please no it was gonna happen in our universe but we saved it and we've been saving all incursion universes actually and you're like oh okay that is just you know doctor strange three of the multiverse of incursions that's the thing don't just forget no yeah the more likely well because I bring this up because of the fact that she Hulk which we'll talk about in a bit it just randomly introduces there's a device that could make it so that I don't have to be Hulk also my arm is completely fucked from the infinity stone snapping which is good consequence but now it's not because you have magic blood juice Jennifer that's the thing it's such a great like we've been saying this for ages and it's just the same thing it's I can't be asked to deal with the repercussions of the last story I'm making my own story fuck you I don't care about whatever this stuff is you could take the repercussions of the last story and then and held you could even take the flaws of prior stories and integrate them into yours yeah but they don't I mean that's again that implies that you do care about the continuity which it yeah it seems like nobody does imagine the kind of shit you can write with Hulk not having the use of one of his arms that's big but nope never mind throw that out cause we got single female lawyer fighting for her again wear it sexy daddy skirt and be itself reliant that would be our sex for me hearing that okay I was actually gonna say how many people will get the reference because I feel like it's old enough but there's gonna be plenty of whippersnappers being like I didn't watch cartoons from the 90s was the future on the late 90s yeah it came out early, early noughts most of I think maybe it premiered in 99 that was from one of the earliest seasons so it's probably 99 or at the latest 2000 yeah I did steal that joke from a couple of people so I'm not the only one making the connection dude everybody's making the connection no all the people who can make the connection are because there's plenty of whippersnappers in this audience some of them don't even know what like a cask is okay yeah so I figured that the the obvious question must arise eventually what did you think of the overall sort of counter argument from us about your perspective on the way home oh well if you want I can frame it back up to remind you because the criticism was yeah yeah well I do agree the aunt may stuff that's that's one thing I actually I could definitely admit that I did not think about your argument back when I made the video for some reason I don't know and I definitely like I definitely see your point there because yeah well because it's not really about a sense of winning or losing with this one it's more so just I find it really really meaningful and I'm curious if you do well or do you just find it acceptable can you just like summarize it yeah so like my understanding of Spider-Man at the core is that he has all of the potential to be able to do something with his abilities and the choice to in action leads to a lot of things that could have been stopped and a lot of those are suffering for other people it's like okay understood fully and I think the Raimi trilogy explores like three dimensions of that and it seems that there isn't really a Spider-Man story that doesn't cover that in some way or shape or form in fact I think the fans will be upset if it didn't and so seem to us that Homecoming was exploring like he's so ready to be a hero that he's getting into it for the prestige now instead of the core which is what he had instilled to some degree but he got caught up in wanting to be an Avenger because he was inspired by having grown up in a world run by the Avengers that he was like I want to be one of them and it starts causing damage here and there so it's almost like a yes you're acting with the power that you have but there are certain fights you're not supposed to just run into there's like a level of understanding and you're not supposed to be doing it for the reward of becoming an Avenger which is what the ending of that film is right he's like you can be an Avenger now and then he's like no I'm good I'm gonna be Neighborhood Spider-Man and I'm gonna take a tangent just for a second to defend Infinity War because everyone takes this opportunity to say Infinity War fuck this up by having him become an Avenger which was not the point that he doesn't need the label but if he's going to fight an alien to save Earth he is an Avenger there's nothing that's like 100% yeah Infinity War did fine and then we have Far From Home which did the whole he's still like the new thing now is how is he gonna be as good a hero as Iron Man which is a level of like a responsibility he's taking on that is unnecessary obviously the conclusion in that film is you're gonna be Spider-Man not Iron Man and then No Way Home does what I think is possibly the most interesting thing IMO out of the three possibilities of the three ways it challenges this idea with responsibility in the in the films being what if you do act for the right motivation with your power to save lives and it leads to a loss of life what does that mean does that mean you were wrong when the film is trying to say especially with the Aunt May's death no you made the right choice unfortunately it doesn't always result in the things you want because of course a lot of lives would theoretically have been saved with his choice he made the choice for the right reasons unfortunately it led to Aunt May's death but that doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do yeah I mean yeah that's definitely a counter-argument that I definitely can like literally just agree with you know it's just what I dislike about this movie the most is that it's like sometimes it can be so vague it's storytelling the character motivations I feel like the plan overall grand plan that it has of like okay we're gonna just try to incorporate this entire fan service actually trying to make this work is really like admirable but at the same time while they're trying to like use this as a plot device it's sort of like creates a lot of questions that the movie does not definitively answer and then a lot of people start to have a lot of theories a lot of opinions and because there's no single objective sort of answer that the movie gives you it leaves you with like every single opinion could be just as valid as the others and that's what I just dislike about it so much and I can definitely still see my point of view I think but I definitely can agree with yours too it's like this weird place middle place I am stuck in sounds like cause I would agree that the plot is not great but I think it would be that the character yeah I just think the rules yeah the clumsy writing really like it was just really clumsy I think I checked it and I think in the phase 4 No Way Home was delayed the least out of all the movies yeah it was supposed to come out in summer if I'm not wrong and it came out in December which is like very short delay considering it was like filmed and made during pandemic mostly and I think because this movie had like one of the biggest sort of like ambitions it was such a grand thing it was like biggest blockbuster after Endgame and I just don't think it had enough time to bake in the oven I really don't I agree yeah the script was definitely on the coast despite that though there's a level of men you managed to nobody else managed to get this right like so far with the characters you made it work except Strange except Strange he really was sacrificed yeah so other characters could learn and grow I guess it's just like it seems that John Watts is capable of working within the system that Marvel uses to make films which probably isn't the right way to do it and he somehow manages to like get character work in there that can shine through whereas a lot of other stories have crumbled under the weight of the expectations of them in terms of action scenes and mandates or how they're meant to slot into this broader timeline yeah yeah I mean back at this movie and it's just one word that comes up in my mind all the time is like flat the cinematography is flat everything is just feels so one dimensional when it's I don't know it just I'm sorry I'm not sure what do you think about the cinematography and homecoming I I don't hate it I like it I think it's definitely not my favorite out of MCU probably what would be your favorite wait well I think there's just so much over saturation with CGI it's really hard to like not confuse like colorfulness with like good cinematography well I guess homecoming uses a lot of pretty short news is a good amount of just like actual locations yeah I like homecoming cinematography actually even though like Infinity War uses quite a bit of ReFX and stuff I think it's like a pretty movie like no way home is so dark I actually skipped through it lately and it was just like the first half as if it's morning and suddenly it's night and everything happens darkness and I get it because to cover up the CGI but it's really dark everything I think I had a hard time like seeing the last action scene it was so dark out of curiosity do you think it's any worse, better or sort of neutral with phase four in general for cinematography I think it's bad it's just overall bad oh so like worse worse than the other stuff yeah like you're saying better or worse on neutral yeah compared to something like eternal Shang-Chi stuff like that well I think it's like in the middle somewhere I like Shang-Chi I think it used color well fair enough when you have something like Dune and Batman come out at the same time it's really hard to just like anything in this phase really visually it's definitely seems like there's less of an eye that can shine through for these films though in the same vein I was more than happy with it visually I guess because it was like a breath of fresh air for phase four as far as I'm concerned even looking back it still seems that way because she helped being the newest thing it's like one episode and I'm already like fuck sake back in that sort of quality meanwhile like they had so many characters in no way home that they could have destroyed so easily in the same way that they did in I guess Multiverse of Manus is the easy go to because you know on one hand you have smartest man in the universe makes a huge mistake guys been experienced this whole life not to say a word to himself by squealing Professor Axe is defeated in the only environment that he's the best at like wow these are all just opposites then you go to Spider-Man you know Sam Raimi Tobey Maguire fans were incredibly happy with basically every last line he had and every second of screen time what's the difference well to me I guess it's just the difference in John Watson Michael Waldron I guess yes there was a select you were just parking out of yeah and so you know it's like okay so which of those if we consider those two polar opposites like which one did we get first she helped and it's like from one episode I'm already sensing one rather than the other in terms of approaches which is unfortunate so yeah you know it's people went over this with prey it's like when you have something that is just not as terrible as the previous thing you were eating let's call it it comes across a lot more satisfying to consume definitely it's probably why it was so nice to prey when I covered it myself and then we talked about it more it's like oh that's not as good as I thought it was what did we sell on a four yeah I think it was four oh well maybe next time maybe next time you're right just like a blind man someone's making fun of a blind man no I'm on it so yeah well how are you with the MCU in general are you excited to see these installments come out are you also just interested from a storytelling perspective that was directed at that stuff by the way is she here wait sorry can you repeat it I had to like go away for a minute that's right I was curious what's your investment in the MCU are you more so here for the fact that you want to see how the story unfolds or are you here in like a reviewing capability I think both I mean I was like when like first Iron Man dropped I watched and like a lot I watched it all live go on you know like since the first Iron Man and then then Civil War came around and like during like 2015 somewhere 16 I sort of kind of lost interest when it was like starting to pick up for everybody else and then like Infinity War happened and I had no idea what was going on and I just like entered the chat and since then I was like oh my god they actually have a plan for this they are I was not expecting it from MCU really you know it was so unexpected suddenly like everything is tied together like what the hell happened during this few years that was gone and yeah that just really surprised me and like got me into it again so yeah since then I was just like hoping that it would continue this just great storylines and everything yeah I was definitely into the stories but now I just I'm not so sure yeah did you see Thor Love and Thunder? oh yeah I did unfortunately I wish I had never seen it I wish I had never seen it so the funny thing about that one right when I ask someone like what do you think of No Way Home they could say anything when I ask them what do you think of Multifices of Madness I think it's likely they'll say it was a bit of a mess who loved it I guess I have no expectation of anyone on planet earth saying to me oh Thor Love and Thunder loved it I don't think anyone's gonna say that nobody liked it I think it's like when I say like I don't have a hope for like at least I mean this phase already has ended but I don't really have a lot of hope for MCU moving forward at least not for the next few years and I think Love and Thunder did it for me it just traumatized me I guess what do you think is the problem that is likely to prevent the majority or all future productions from not being worthwhile like what do you think the issue would be I just I think they need some like person to take the rails I guess like somebody or a group of people who will just make at least like I think what saved the rest of the MCU really like during Infinity War and everything they just had to do a liner story that would just like follow all these like stones as long as like they followed that narrative it would just like almost was guaranteed that it would work out I think they need something like that or I don't know someone who will like like keep it in check now the problem now is that there's so many variables that they need to juggle once I mean when you talked about like all these multiverses it feels like every single writer has like their own take on the multiverse or whatever they need to like get in a room and just talk it out apparently that did happen at some point it doesn't seem like it there was a bunch of articles about how they it was after though that like Loki had been made at this point and I'm pretty sure it said like Kevin Feige has now ordered all the multiverse people to get into a room to talk and I guarantee you that conversation was as simple as like so there's lots of worlds and you can travel between them right and America Shove is the only one that can do it right and they're like yeah someone in the back who? it's fine just say yes Darkhold you can do it with that though I need that for my movie and someone else is like oh okay but can we do it with a sling ring so you know I'm destroying it I'm using the water I'm kicking it out I'm getting like more flashbacks to like the sequel trilogy basically it's just like all the writers all the directors are like in a completely different places it feels like they were never in the room together like what the hell is going on and yeah it's just like if they just everybody I think agrees that if like sequel trilogy writers simply got into it too or even someone like made a plan that okay you need to follow this and this or just got them together in a room I think if it wouldn't be great it would just you know at least it would be a story with a beginning and middle and the end which it wasn't it was just completely detached from one another and I think that's what's going on with phase 4 I think not like completely but I think it's almost the same part of the problem yeah I could believe that phase 5 will be more cohesive than 4 because 4 has been absolutely completely disjointed they cut the ending of 4 to what kind of forever when that was yeah almost as though they're like it's like you went off road and you're on this little dirt path and you're talking to your advisor like where is the next road and it's like it's all over there crossover, Thor, love of the thunder the multiverse of madness and no way home to get to it it's like alright fuck it blast through the ball and we'll get back to the road yeah because yeah it could be that they are actually setting down a pathway now that leads to something that makes sense but is it just me or is the only thing that connects phase 4 right now like that one line where he's like we had an incident with Spider-Man recently I think so yeah is that like the only thing that connects any of it or just a big connective tissue is just Wong showing up like in stories he's the connecting tissue yeah the only thing I remember from Shang-Chi is the karaoke scene with Wong because that took me off guard the thing with like phase 4 also is like it feels like MCU is just going through a middle life crisis I don't know it's like they're rushing through everything it's like that's made I don't know like how many movies how many shows they made in like past two or three years I've established a lot of new characters very quickly yeah and I don't know how many of them are very enduring it's just guaranteed to fail they're just like how can you do so much at the same time even if you had someone who would just like tie all these together they would just be like if I was that person my mind would explode basically like nobody is fit to do that job not so fast like everybody is like and also everything is being written at the same time and everything is overlapping like how can you make a coherent story out of this really well especially when we know that the writers there is compartmentalization in terms of how much people know because they're so concerned with preventing spoilers and links that nobody you can have a writer who just legitimately doesn't know like what year their film was set or how it slots in because they weren't told how can you write stories this way is um Simpsons reference to help make a point of criticism for phase four compared to other phases do you remember the episode with the beavers bringing the beavers I do unless it is simpsons right I'm not referencing something else I'm pretty sure it is because it's like an old man it's a bunch of stuff and I'm pretty sure Homer and Bart get into the thing where they're trying to destroy a beaver dam I think yeah that's unfamiliar yeah that does sound familiar I'm just trying to make sure I'm talking about Simpsons and not like American dad or some shit yeah there's a master log gotta get to the master log if you get out of the master log you can destroy the whole thing I think that's what Homer says they have to find like a big log and pull it I think that's Simpsons yeah there's no master log anymore the master log for those who couldn't tell one two three was illustrated quite well in the trailer for Endgame when they had Iron Man, Cap and Thor walking toward Thanos they are master log okay two of them are gone and the third one has just been annihilated like they haven't been Spider-Man is basically you know but Spider-Man isn't part of that he's kind of off on his own sort of world almost isn't he he's very volatile in the right situation that's true and so because of that Marvel hasn't really made him the master log in a sense it was like we need replacements for the master log we need a new master log and that's meant to come up with new characters loads of little logs loads of little logs at least amount of those logs are rotting they're not great replacements it's funny to think about that all these small logs basically all have survived like end of world end of universe scenarios now they already have yeah and there are like small logs in this where he goes like oh so who are we going to establish as the big log anyways then if it's like strange would be the only one to do right now I think it was meant to be strange yeah I think it's meant to be strange they've screwed it up yeah they've screwed it up part of screwing it up is making it so that he's diluted he's not really a he's not the kind of character when he shows up you go oh it's him and he's going to be doing and saying this and it's more so just there he is I don't know what he's going to do yeah because the fun and the cool aspect of Marvel originally was what does it look like when Tony meets Steve like what does that meeting look like they're very different people with different goals and different principles what does it look like when these two meet each other and come into conflict now it's like what does it mean when Shang-Chi meets Yelena what does that mean what is the interesting conflict there what does it mean when Maria meets I don't know like Cersei from Eternals like what does that meeting look like you have to say from it to it all because most people will be like do you mean Game of Thrones it's like no no yeah characteristically we're in serious trouble because think about when when Thor grabs Loki and just flies off of them and caps like they're opening the back door and Iron Man's about to leave and he's like whoa we need a plan of attack he just says I have a plan attack and he just leaves because it's just like that's the guy from Iron Man 1 and 2 at that point he ain't fucking around he's the boss around here okay like that sort of attitude and he's going for Thor the guy we just saw in that other movie who's pretty humble when it comes to leadership at this point but he ain't fucking around when it comes to Loki you know so there's going to be plenty of this going on now and then you have that conversation with Thor and Loki we're waiting for that to be interrupted by Iron Man he's on the way and then it does it's quite a good payoff so there's so much narrative juice being squeezed out but as was just said all these tiny little logs they're all going to what surround Doctor Strange he's going to be the one that binds them all together he's like I don't even see how that's happening he has no relationship with any of these people I'm listening to you guys I have flashbacks to the first MCU phases and I'm like wait I was masterful like how did we get here to me it kind of just feels like after Endgame made so much fucking money surely that's your that should be your ticket to go like okay we've done really well first three phases those were a big success five years to plan the next like three phases or whatever the hell and make sure it's really cohesive because you've earned it people will come back for this because we've established a viable brand here we have other things we've just absorbed from Fox we can take our time to plan it out but that isn't what happened they just wanted to keep pumping out more content out of fear that people would lose interest and this is such a backwards way of working especially when you want to go so complex with this multiverse shit and especially now that it has to slot into the Disney plus model as well which is super important the way it just works you know you need look at this year like look at how everything's been structured moon moon night soon as that ends multiverse of madness is out and like a month later Miss Marvel comes out and then when that ends Love and Thunder is out and then like a month later she hulks out and by the time she hulks ends it's like few weeks until Black Panther comes out everything leads into the next thing you can never lose interest for too long you need to stay subscribed to the service because that's the that's the objective is to keep people consistently engaged even if those people disengage with those works like couple weeks month you know maybe two months after people stop giving a shit about those stories but they've already made the money it's I don't see I don't see somebody just on a whim saying I want to rewatch I want to rewatch multiverse of madness in the same way that they probably would have said that for Iron Man or Captain America 1 or you know I got into the galaxy one or two I just don't see it as much as the whole the more of a thing there is the less value it can accrue is true at the same time it feels like the individual components are just less valued by people but they've on both ends right like on the end of this selling these things without them being that special anymore but they're also not that special in terms of what a storytelling goes they're pretty bad examples like if an alien came down he's like how good are these you'd be like oh no no don't bother with those just ship them over to the you know predator or terminator or aliens I like that the alien would be like going so far back in time it's really look right you need to watch these to understand what comes after would kind of trust me do you guys remember when like Captain Marvel made a ton of money just because it was like right before Endgame that's how like rare Marvel projects were at the time you know like just you had to like give so much money to this movie just to get glimpse of another one and it was just like it was really like celebration it was just like a few years ago and now we're having this like it's really mind blowing where how fast things escalated for this like every month there's like something new and every month every like every single time it's like worse than the other well didn't they get hampered because of the pandemic too so this is like the slower version of what we would have gone like oh my god I didn't think about that you mentioned we're like phase 5 they're already like baiting phase 7 and 8 or something because that's the thing they're gonna want it they're probably gonna realize we should have called phase 1, 2, 3 just phase 1 at this point because when you get to like phase 10 people will just be like I don't fucking care whatever what does that even mean phase 10 what's the bad guy does like the the colosseum of Galactus and you're like oh this is about him fine fine whatever yeah this situation makes everything everywhere once feel like a slow burn like that that movie was a nice breath of fresh air it was, that was fun he had a couple of them every once in a while yeah yeah so the 7 I'm just it'll be easy for me to segue into this because it is MCU but uh She-Hulk came out for those who watched that them e-faps we did talk about the trailer last week was that last week was the week before last I think it was before that time is going way too fucking quick so you know there's a sense of like concern not just because of the position of being in phase 4 but the trailer wasn't looking great and then there was a couple quotes from the creators and it was like ooh okay still always willing to give it a shot and uh as you as you guys have heard before you know WandaVision's first episode we were very happy with it Moon Knight's first episode we were 50-50 uh Loki's Loki's first scene we were kind of already done oh my god I was gonna say man it was setting records with that over time but I think I said coverage of Moldivus and Madness I was done with the film after the first scene uh that opening action scene I was already like you can't be establishing freezy powers and then not use them at all that's very very frustrating uh stuff like that but anyway uh you know you still gotta give it a shot right? still gotta give it a chance so I guess what we'll do is everyone here seen episode one of She-Hulk I did and I even covered already you so so full disclosure um because I didn't know I was coming on until last night I have not actually seen it yet but everything I've heard about it has made me very deeply upset so I'm gonna be um I thought that might have happened because I gave you zero notice uh that you may not have seen it to be fair I give you zero notice not only that you're being on here although we were even covering that so don't worry about it um I find that sometimes it's fun having a person who hasn't seen the thing so that they can listen to the complaints and be like for real and you can be like yeah yeah well something I will say though is that I'm getting more upset about this the things I'm hearing than I thought I was because I'm starting to realize that I actually really like She-Hulk as a premise for a character which is this basically just what if Hulk but they're like um like this quirky fun uh lawyer that occasionally breaks the fourth wall and they specialize in like the my new show of superhero law like what does law look like in a superhero universe um and that just is very fun to me and um she just seems like a fun sort of character like I've always like I haven't got never got around to actually reading many comics but I just love that premise and when I heard they announced it I was just like oh so you could do like a a quirky like uh Andromeda where the lawyers green the whole time that could be fun, that could be fun and then everything I see is just this warped contorted just deformed version of what I imagined it would be and it's just really horrible to see unfold and every new piece of information makes me very upset very very upset What's funny to say that I was in that situation and then I watched the episode and I was like even more upset with the context I was like fuck this is worse than I thought it was going to be even from all the complaints and the clips I saw Yeah You know there's like one thing going into a movie or a show like expecting it to be good and then come out and just be disappointed and depressed for a day because it was not it didn't mean to your expectations and there's another thing to go into a project not expecting to like it at all and still be disappointed I just I don't understand it That was me with M.O.M. I thought it was going to be shit but I came out disappointed It's like This is where we at this is where we at right now it's like oh it don't expect anything it's like oh shit that was even worse Good It's phenomenal really I just I started laughing at the end and I was I told my sister I was like this was one of the greatest things I've ever seen and she was like seriously and I'm like yeah this was great just blew me away completely I was not expecting that We could talk a bit broadly for a bit before we if we want to go scene by scene but I was just going to say what an odd format for our first episode I had no idea this was the case like Yeah me too Opening scene for the sake of like chat and meme I guess Opening scene and then she sets up like oh I'm already Hulk I guess you guys should know why Play flashback until flashback is over one more scene and then that's the end It's pretty obvious that was like they changed their mind Yes that episode was going to slot in I'm pretty sure there was a quote from like the show runner or one of the directors that that like the her and Hulk like on you know in Mexico and training and stuff that was meant to be later and then they changed their mind and it's so obvious I imagine that this show is very different in terms of its format than what we saw in that first episode so weird introduction you know because as someone has just broken chat as well one of the things that came to mind when I was watching I was like oh didn't Deadpool do this it begins on the highway and it flashes back Deadpool it jumps back and forth so it starts on the highway then it jumps back then it goes back to what's happening on the highway then it jumps back Deadpool it was clearly more deliberate I was going to say it was built it was built that way this was so obviously not built this way like at all it seems like later on they realized not even realized just chose to put all of this information at the beginning as opposed to where it actually slotted in and so they had to like use the fourth wall to essentially explain alright we're doing the origin shut up here we go and then we'll get back to our they really did do it that way it was even jarring to me knowing that was going to happen I was like oh okay jeez fine it's very especially as well you know you don't have to do this but isn't it worthwhile to get to know it before the accident exactly yes don't have to well I don't know who she was I don't know who she was before it and I guess I never will because we never see it yeah it's shulking time yeah I thought we were talking vaguely by the way I wasn't sure oh well I guess yeah okay we'll start going through it the opening she's doing like a practicing a closing statement for yeah she was like actually quoting uncle at first I was like she's talking about I don't really remember directly but like there was something about responsibility and like power and greatness yeah I think she did like the most obvious stuff right like is it is there a duty to not misuse your power and obligation to help people and stuff and just like it was like the amazing spiral over again oh yeah because I'm pretty sure there's a good chance that that's gonna you know opening statement of a I'm pretty sure Falcon the Winter Soldier opened on like something to do with what the shield means like all these shows tend to let you know what they're gonna be about within their opening senses which isn't a problem with me at all I just I don't know how interesting she-hulks ever going to be I guess the unfortunate thing is that as I think about this you know this opening line for the show when you know when you kind of like can enter into something expecting it to be really strong it can be interesting to speculate on what this means when I think about this line all I can imagine is like well what do I think the writers are trying to go for what do I think their objective is here um narratively you know regardless of what I think is the most partner interesting um the impression I get with the speech of this is she already is at the point where she's not going to misuse it she's already figured that out and so the arc that I'd be proactive in helping people and that's gonna be it like that'll be all it is I don't know it's not usually interesting um and also I guess we can talk about you know we'll get there yeah I was gonna say that theory I think is most informed by there I call it the last last line there's something she says in the last scene that definitely makes you go oh that's gonna be proven wrong laugh my ass off yeah as she's giving a your argument here you can hear a guy in the background go more smile smile more really yeah that was like oh no it is immediately alright I'm out you know what I it just annoys me about this like I'm pretty sure the show is gonna like not do well people are not gonna like it and everything and because like I think director is a woman writer is a woman it's like a feminist icon show and everything and it's gonna like it's gonna happen like the same thing that happened with Elizabeth Banks and Charlie's Angels they're just gonna come out and say oh you're just like sexist y'all are misogynistic you just don't volume women there's that um there's that great meme about the Charlie's Angels movie where it says there's an article that says man this movie isn't for you like stay away for a second article okay why aren't men watching this movie yeah oh it didn't happen I actually made a feminist a feminist a video about feminist Hollywood and that's basically the point I touched upon and I talked about Elizabeth Banks and that whole situation and how like messed up it is oh well I literally just hold half of humanity to not watch my movie and nobody watching my movie and then she came out and said everybody's sexist that's just how it works and like it's funny because like literal contradiction are like the original Charlie's Angels a bunch of people watch that including men oh yeah I watched it I even watched the the Bill Murray one yeah I guess I said Cameron Diaz Lucy Lu one both of them those were strange movies I don't remember seeing them to be honest but yeah when I hit him say smile boy I was like oh jeez it begins here we go it's a two seconds movie you guys remember the famous heroic character of the MCU the Don he's yet to get his own movie I'm sure he will when he said how about a smile oh no don't do it Don that's like that's like attacking someone it's a trap oh my god yeah and that same guy says I feel like it comes off better coming from me I was like oh no I already know what the show thinks of this bad I don't even need I don't need any characteristics I know I'm supposed to not like him it's okay I got it I can't hide it we'll add this confirmed later in the episode remind me what even I'm sure it's not damage for spoiler anything what happens to him later in the episode well later she's about to go up to give her a closing statement and he says like don't screw this up and rolls her eyes it's like right so yeah so he's just a cunt that's what I'm saying it's like it's so obvious what you think of him show I know the show is this annoying guy sitting next to you on the sofa like I hate that character I know you don't stop talking about it I mean obviously we don't get much of an impression of a friend but like I don't know I get worried that she's not going to be much of a character that she's just going to be like the affirming best friend the validation person yeah who doesn't have much of a perspective on anything and can only exist to help prop up the main character which isn't great feels like you can do a lot who knows could be totally wrong but yeah I just realized well we're about to like give a sort of summary of Hulk sat and what's going on with him and like this is it just feels funny because we've speculated for a cup for a while since Endgame about where to take him next like you guys are about to find out what is canon and what happens to him next yeah where he's been taken and then good news on the on the subject of the sexism stuff it's kind of what's interesting about this is that just how transparent it's become that this is just deflection tactic to keep critical eyes away from the show because when you're saying that your bad CGI is a like people perceiving it as bad CGI is just a result of a sexist mindset something that most people can anyone with a pair of eyeballs can see that this CGI is not working but I think you kind of got to rethink what the hell you're saying to the press about this stuff because this is this is ridiculous at this point like this is there's no ambiguity like with the writing like you don't need to like actually really properly think about um you know stuff like internal consistency um and whether it just generally make sense like with the CGI most people can see yeah this is not tracking as something that looks real yet if you're still yeah people that yet they're still going um oh well you know if you think the CGI is bad it's clearly because you're not used to CGI being used to represent the face of a woman um no just bad just bad in fact you see standing right next to the Hulk who looks like a like a photo realistic man I'm just seeing a drastic shift in quality between the two in the same frame what the fuck is going on someone's a nitpicker and a sexist and a sexist damn straight well it's interesting like I was I hit me today like literally you have someone like Gamora in Guardians of the Galaxy like who's like practically painted green and she looks fantastic right you buy that she's a million she could they could have done like the same thing did the Natalie Portman thing like made her more muscly with CGI or something it could have worked and I think it would take less effort in time I think it was always going to be this way yeah but they could have done they could have gone that way I think it would have worked I think that they had no great options considering that this is a television show I think that all of your options weren't great you need to have a convincing CG character on screen for much longer than you would ever have in a film with less money and you also just have the problem of she looks a lot more human like than a lot of your CG characters like Rocket is easier task in that it's not a person and so just you as a human being are not as attuned to noticing how real or fake a raccoon that stands on two legs is talking you know what that looks like and then of course Thanos is like human like I think but a little bit different whereas this character is the most like a regular person it was probably doomed from the start to like be really inconsistent and somewhat uncanny effects I mean I couldn't look away from it screen every time she came on it is something that when I was watching it I've realized about myself that I've come to accept that whenever I spot her I'm just looking at it like the actual work that's been done and I'm like that's just not working like that's what I'm doing while I'm watching her scenes which is like when Thanos turned up I don't know if it was the first trailer that would have shown him that ever was just like whoa he looks like a real purple but there's a definitely a difference how they've done it but you know I just feel bad for CGI people it's so bad they're gonna get so much like hate for this and not like from general public I think so but they couldn't do anything about this I think if we could see Marvel is feeding wolves the equivalent of charging up their resources they threw everything at their CG artists in terms of time and money but like in terms of like you guys fix everything the script writer Wolf he's just sitting there dying he's like bones it's just nothing there they haven't given them much time at all because I actually do think that as bad as the CG is or distracting as it is I don't think anybody would really ultimately care that much if the scripts were great like yeah cool nothing I guess CGI was bad but I would have accepted it I liked literally anything about this show this first episode I was like okay I mean I did see trailer I was like this looks out atrocious but whatever I'll accept it sure somehow I mean and this I mean for me what I hate it the most about the show was like this entire feminist thing was just so annoying I'm so over it I'd want to stop hearing about it I want these movies stop telling me that I'm oppressed I don't want to hear about it anymore these freaking people these people I don't know this is the same industry that supported and thanked Harvey Weinstein for years and then these women like Elizabeth Banks come out now and just make these movies and I'm like I don't care I don't care like I'm going to live my life now please this is just what aggravated I mean maybe we'll get there and I'm skipping through it but like that dialogue that meditation scene that she has with Hulk when she basically devolues and invalidates his entire just story by being like well I'm a woman I get cat called on the street you would never know what happens to me like you're just projecting like I can't control my emotions so well and it's just like his entire story is invalidated just because he's a man that annoyed me to no end you'll find that I think the whole panel here is ready to be furious at that scene oh yeah it's been there's a reason why that clip is going to shade our life I couldn't stop thinking about that ever since then I mean I don't really remember the rest of the plot it's the only thing I've been thinking about for the entire time yeah we've talked about it before in terms of the awkward nature of how they don't remember their history when they write their new projects they bring in people who don't give a fuck to even watch phase one two and three but this is not the man that you say this to and they didn't realize that when they wrote that scene obviously yeah I was just like thinking if this was like Tony Stark I mean this is never okay to say to anybody else everybody has their own stories despite their gender but like if this was someone like Tony Stark or anybody I would be like okay I'll let that slide but this is literally like Bruce Benner we were talking about like he is the most tragic character in the entire MCU debatably one of the most tragic he you know has sacrificed so much in his life and now we're just like validating everything because we need to hype women up it's impossible well you can call that a taster because the way we do it we'll try and give more and more context to chat for those who haven't seen the show so when she's had into this case her friends like just beat it with on the principle or you could always hulk out she's like only in a legal sense and I remember even me because I was caught off guard of this I didn't understand exactly what kind of format I was dealing with I was like wait does she just say hulk out as a phrase and then she's like yes I'm a hulk by the way she looks at the camera and does that I was like whoa I wasn't ready for this I wasn't prepared but okay yeah okay I remember she's a fourth wall character breaking person okay fine well known to talk to someone I would have combed my hair or something don't talk to me just like that legit I was like it felt a little bit I think it was just the nature of how I was watching it I did not expect someone to turn to the camera at that point and say something to me I was like what's up yeah and so she basically just says someone in the kitchen just makes some foods like oh yeah you it's like me what you with the noodles and you're like I don't have noodles oh I would have put pants on if I knew we were gonna have this conversation I could totally be strolling over to his pads they'd be like no no no you came into my house you deserve the full experience the meme household um so yeah this is this is one of the things that we were talking about they do like a few months earlier and like it's the I want to say the end the two thirds of an end of a sentence we get of them talking the first thing we hear is like yeah I made a device that puts me in human form it's like what okay why what what do we do hey please tell me more it's so unreal to me why as the MCU never been able to understand the difference between him and Hulk and everything to do with that is incredibly important but they keep fucking around with it between iterations they're just like I need this now it's like what my biggest problem with the end game was like oh wait Hulk is like I thought they would give him like this arc about like his psychological state and everything but no he's fine yeah he's fine don't worry about it even says his healing is on this this thing yeah I don't understand to me it's as blatant as um I understand what you were doing guys and your last thing I want to do this do you mind if I just just scoot around it and then like you don't you're not asking my permission you're gonna do it anyway no yep I'm gonna do it anyway I don't even I don't even understand why this word heal his arm anyway well it's like a nice no the way I understand if you have Hulk powers you already have accelerated regenerating powers don't you yeah so why does putting it in human form repairing prepared faster I was gonna it did seem like say for example you were stuck in human form and you had an injury that wasn't healing going to Hulk form and then back to human form I could see how that maybe could heal it but the reverse where you take an injury at Hulk form you have to go back to you but it could heal before you just like I don't understand yeah I don't get it being human heals the arms like I don't know or is it the machine itself well it doesn't matter because that's gonna become even less relevant soon enough um oh yeah this is just a question about the fourth war breaking now that I've been thinking about it do they do anything more clever than just turn to the camera because what I've seen a she-hulk right she will like tear open the pages of the comic sometimes to write and stuff like that and it gets very messy very quickly you know we don't count on that yet she does like twice actually only once because it's when we get back to the presence it's basically the same scene that we saw so that's the only thing we've seen so far can I just say by the way what a lame sci-fi device just look at my arm device it does yeah the things I needed to do you're like shut up it's an LED and also I'm wrong there was a second part but that's also just turning into the camera so yeah yeah hopefully we get a clever with it I don't know if we will though this is another clip that got around the Ben 10 Hulk talks about how Steve Rogers is a virgin lol I can't believe that's how they started the scene I thought this would be somewhere anywhere else than in the beginning of the fucking show it's like oh my god weird choice and it's just like for me the joke wasn't land or the observation didn't land because the requirement is like he was basically doing war stuff like constantly and I was like no he wasn't why would you think that why would anyone think that in years I don't yeah it makes as much sense as saying like yeah all of them didn't sleep around good with anybody because they were all doing Age of Ultron and Avengers and Infinity War all those things were like days apart it's just like why would you why it's funny right but no one laughs no one laughs the thing I checked out a lot of like clips from She-Hulk after I watched it or reviews or whatever on YouTube I didn't watch any of them I just went through a comment section and everybody was just like the only thing everybody was discussing was just like Captain America's virginity and I was like it's just the only thing people take away okay I mean makes sense this frame that you're on like because you weren't looking at the road yeah that is a stealthy ship oh dude I have so many so many questions that the more information we get about this Sicarian ship as the show goes on I wonder if this scene will get worse and worse the more they tell about it it may well because it's probably setting up a future movie for all we know it's someone looking for help right like it might not even be whatever twist they want to run with what I'm trying to say is that this will become even more insane unlikely and just hyper coincidental can you remind me who the Sicarians were whether it's the shape shifter guys oh no I think it's the Ragnarok people yeah this ship looks like the grandmasters type design oh okay okay so I wonder if the show will actually touch upon this ship or if it just okay that happened it could be as bad as it won't come back until the last episode the next movie probably post-credits scene going oh yeah we stopped McDonald on the way from crashing Hulk lol well they just don't make it, they'll bring it up but it would just be funny if they didn't that's essentially what we expect from them at this point yeah she's talking about that and that just appears and she crashes in such a way that it just walks them up completely and like the so obvious I guess because I already knew what was going to happen so it's kind of unfair to be to say but it's just like ah yes she's got a wound on her arm is Bruce smiling probably uh well she doesn't actually have a wound right she cuts her arm when she's crawling out yeah yeah so and then she drags Bruce out and his blood from his head gets on her arm and I think he even doesn't he say like something he says my blood like watch out something like that yeah yeah this is probably one of the worst origin stories I've ever seen I can't believe they didn't use the fucking source the source is way better than this the whole blood transfusions thing yeah why not it makes so much sense it's sitting right there and you clearly read the source because you're fucking with portions of it like you've taken bits of it why didn't you take the whole thing I don't understand what's the point where was the source then she she's about to die yeah a blood transfusion you can you can extract character from that but he would make that choice yeah yeah only the potential consequences and how does she feel about that exactly this you were almost there and then he decided to do this lame-ass bullshit they weren't almost there they saw it they chose they didn't think that it was that I mean we're almost there we had the crash and we just had to change it a little bit of the show leaky leaky crash yeah no character writing we can go without it let her drop on top of him I guess why actually we can get to that in a minute one of the thing I got from this almost I mean I was like holy fuck boring TV show episodes I've ever seen like we're already done with that we're already done with that we're done with this she's got a power she's she hulk already and yeah I was just like oh fuck we're moving real fucking quick but that makes sense because there was a lot of things I've seen people talk about with this show and I was like wait one episode is only like 30 minutes long what how does that happen like what happens of this thing don't worry that makes sense because we get a new scene every like two seconds yeah she um she hulks out immediately and runs off into the forest yeah it's just like that scene was so confusing it was just like what happened it's it's crazy it's so fast everything is so oh yeah they also show that bruce is hulking out too because his uh his device got damaged yeah oh I'm not looking forward to summarizing all of this so she wakes up in the forest walks into a bar this is so because I remember you telling me about this before I watched the episode frame and it's gonna be as weird as when you told me walks into a bar walks into the bathroom is like clearly just had a real bad day uh four ladies walk in and just give her a makeover yeah what yeah I don't know why would you write any of this this way like what is this I find it also weird because she she gets to this bar or whatever it is and just sneakily goes to the public toilet instead of going into the bar it's like hey that was like a car crash because that's surely the last thing she remembers can I have a phone because that's all she apparently wanted from the other ladies here in a little bit when they arrive so I don't know why she just sneakily went into the public room and did you have just roaming bands of women giving makeovers apparently my experience wasn't there a quote from the creators of this scene that they were like the women's bathroom is a very sacred safe place and all women know what other women need when they're in there or some shit like that you know what excuse me Alex I'll expose all the women I mean the only women that the only way we support each other is hold our hairs back maybe I don't know yeah that's the most feminist thing that is going on there wait wait wait they don't supply them a full makeover and new outfit whenever they go it's like GTA she walks in and just like press his button and just got a new outfit what I think some people in chat might not appreciate what happens here I'll try and fast forward but it just basically cuts and she's just got a whole outfit done and yeah see look at it it's like what the fuck where did the first what they even give her shoes they give her shoes and you're like wait what was this again it's like she held you're like what oh and there's a line like who did this to you baby he's not worth it oh fuck this is this script is transparent I can see right through to the writer speaking of she uh she stands out here for about five seconds and then some men look at these predators I thought we were over there like hey baby you want to I don't even know what I think they only go as far as saying like want to hang out which is already you know they're at the dawn level so she's clear to break their hand so it's not even like the 80s Supergirl movie where it's very clear they're trying to sexually assault her it's just like hey what's up and it's like you die now there's this entire episode it's just like like big text it's like 30 minutes of black screen and written like black screen and patriarchy written on it and that was it that was the entire episode it could have just simply been that it saved me a lot of time for sure I mean who just chilling there it's like whatever and if just any male is like hello I'm like oh villain he's gonna get her run he's gonna get you wasn't it a similar thing with WandaVision where as soon as the white general the white male general shows up it's like oh yeah you're gonna be like the antagonist for no reason they make the fatal error of giving her lots and lots of attention and she fucking screams at them and then things get real weird because I had to watch this like three times over because I had no idea what they were trying to say happened but I can go frame by frame here so chat you can see I'm pretty sure Hulk Teckels are right that's where I was going with it I was trying to I couldn't tell if she had punched one of them or if something else had happened and then I rewatched it but it still didn't know oh no I can go frame by frame isn't it so yeah looked like she was gonna do something violent to them luckily a superhero was in the environment neighborhood thank god um yeah Hulk just turned up I guess and uh got her out of there but again because of how jarring the show is we apparently go from the guys like chatting her up to hear about to do something to him the Hulk tackling her to black screen to her waking up in Hulk's little like chill place it's just like wait what is the this is the pacing of like a 5 minute animated skit where you have to just be like beat beat beat beat feels like a pitch like you send to somebody if this is all drawn it's like storyboarding and you're just like this is kind of the broad strokes obviously I'll fill it in as we go yeah but yeah we're here now it's like she got knocked out I guess I guess though alright I don't see it two ways I mean I guess she got knocked out one way another but she either got knocked out by Bruce or Hulk whatever you want to prefer to say right or she just doesn't remember what happened after because she's not in control yet I don't know is that supposed to be the Ultron helmet by the way yeah it is it looks like it yeah I don't know if I would want to keep that everything tied together it's not really a great heirloom is it certainly not for Banner that robot I helped create nearly destroyed the world I mean I would argue he is equally as responsible as Tony people don't like to think about that but unfortunately for Banner he did agree yeah may I nitpick go ahead so I might be it's been a while since I've engaged with the old age of Ultron like as a full film but I'm not sure how we should look is that what you're going to say it's red when I'm pretty sure it was not red and it looks like he painted it up to look more like Tony's mask because you get all the Iron Man bots and that's what he was inhabiting and they were blue and silver weren't they I think that one's blue isn't it isn't it oh it might be the lighting maybe no it's just blue I think it's dark but to be fair you might have seen something different to us right because of the yeah maybe it does look like a dark blue on my screen okay because it looks red to me but I'm also like a little color blind so maybe that's affecting it but usually it doesn't go that drastic so I'm not sure what's going on well time to remove your eyes yeah you get new ones it's alright oh chat some people in chat are saying looks red looks green why god this is like a litmus test oh god what color do you see um I don't see color no I can't see now we're about to get like a very long set of things being said that uh it's so annoying that they have the power these random writers get brought in to just absolutely do whatever the fuck they want with the reality that is the timeline in the MCU and it's so unfortunate every time I have to listen to some random be like right so this is what I think happened between all these characters you've liked for decades just like oh man oh no actually if I may briefly swerve back to the helmet this is turning in chat into the remember the dress the blue and black dress I think this is turning into that chat like everyone's disagreeing on what it actually is like depending on their frame of reference well I to be fair I don't even know what mask necessarily that it is it could be the first one we see Ultron wearing it could be something else I don't know um yeah so uh yeah uh it's something I found interesting one of the first lines he has is um don't worry I talk to your parents they know you're okay um but I'm pretty sure it's ADR it's uh it's done off screen you can't even see I don't even see his head you can only see his body uh when he says it to her I think that's funny because that's probably a matter of the writer didn't think she would give a fuck about telling her family on their first draft because like that's so consistent with the writers um across all this I was talking to bring you about this the other day um I was grabbing a clip from X-Men 2 I needed it for my video you'll all understand why when you see it uh there's a part where uh Scott and Professor Axe are visiting Magneto and if you remember it's like a trap and they gas from the professor and they take both him and Scott to a it's not like Hoover Dam is it it's some big dam place I don't remember exactly where but it's just a place where Striker's doing his his themes uh yeah so uh when uh Professor Axe comes too he's in his chair he's got like a thing in his head to prevent him from being able to access anybody's minds and Striker's like you know hello Charles or whatever trying to do his little taunting thing and the first thing Charles says is where's Scott what have you done with him like ah beautiful because that's what the character should care about that should be number one he was with Scott when this happened worst case scenario they killed Scott because he's not valuable compared to Professor Axe so he wants to know where he is good stuff meanwhile in this show she's gone on this crazy rampage she's not turned up to work she was in a car crash if anything that car may have been found with her blood at the site but no body people will likely be panicking at this point so it should be on your mind like I don't know about you guys but like if you disappeared quote unquote there's a lot of people who would care possibly in your lives that you want to make sure no you're okay she didn't they didn't write her to care about that fuck we better have a line we better have some line what can the Hulk say don't worry I talked to your parents they know you're fine okay she doesn't even respond to it with language she just sort of looks at him that's true yeah yeah definitely was and like would that even would that even be good enough to be told I've told your parents you were in a car crash and that you're okay it's like well no I need to speak to them yeah the colonists like hey I'm fine I'm conscious yeah and so I'm gonna presume they don't present like forgetfulness or something like that as like a personality trait or something as part of some kind of character framework it's just they forgot to put any reference in yeah it's that simple someone said this is complete speculation by Mola well yeah I didn't see them make this but the fact that she doesn't respond and you don't see his face when he says it I think it was pretty good evidence yeah I'd say so we're playing detective here chat that's what we always do with these things trying to figure out why they ended up this way yeah as for the ship he just says he's gonna get to the bottom of it and I think he even says at the end of the set it's like weird things happen when you're a Hulk yeah I think it's kind of a funny line I don't know why it's just this world in it yeah yeah he explains that he and she have unique DNA that does stuff with gamma yeah they're able to synthesize gamma radiation with their genetics um I was immediately like oh is it like is that like a family thing in your family would you rather be able to do that too or is it just completely random and lucky for her that that's the thing that works well I guess the thing is this is where I get confused I would assume that but I'm pretty sure he later says it was like one in a million I don't know why you would say that to describe like a shared genetic trait you know you know what I mean like I don't know that that yeah I'm not sure how I feel about it yeah um and there's just this happens in this episode so many times but he says somehow like her blood is special enough that it does that but also it healed his arm like he managed to synthesize with blood in such a way that it just fully healed his arm you know and her response to that is because I'm better than you yeah it's like what are you doing what are you saying and there are so many ways you could have phrased you chose that one well so she does it you can tell what they're going for that she's it would be in the same way that it's fine because I'm better than you like smiley face like Tee he we just sort of sitting like and she does it so many times throughout the episode I was like yep it's like if Ray from sequels actually like had a fourth wall break and just was like yeah I am a god but basically well it just doesn't it's relentless right because he he corrects her he's like no no no different and um you know as a result of this I can be myself again then she goes oh smug Hulk yeah it's like Kappa Hulk and he's like no smart Hulk and she's like it's pretty smug to choose the name smart Hulk and then he's like I didn't choose the name like this dialogue to me like it's not it's like chemistry lists just like are you do you guys hate each other what's going on like yeah I mean I definitely had her character I can tell you that much well so that's the big thing that's going around right now is everybody's like man this is a really hard to like character instantly which is a problem they've been having with a lot of their new characters very difficult to like them because for some reason they keep trying the strategy of well what if your characters you like from before say that they're cool and then also get beaten by the new person in every way like characteristically unpower wise wouldn't that isn't that good would that do it you're like oh no that's not enough that would be maybe a nice extra bonus they would say that the cult if you there's a few steps before you get to there before you can earn anything even close to that but you know what do I know I don't get paid millions of dollars to to write this shit that's your fault in it should be that's true so yeah he's like oh this is a big old big old case sucks to be you Hulk Hulk Hulk then she's like well just give me a device like you had to make you make me not a Hulk and then he's like well that was a prototype they do for me and he's like it doesn't work like that and I'm just sitting here like I fucking I don't know any of any of that works it looks it's really up to the writer isn't it the writer could have been like yeah you can have one or no you can't have one obviously we quickly find out she doesn't need a device because it's pretty much like a switch she can just turn she Hulk on and off whenever she wants apparently well hmm it's it's weird because the first time she definitely wasn't in control but then all of a sudden in the level it's like oh no I'm fine I can do it myself it's like oh can you why like they just established the mechanics but I don't think they check out from what they show us earlier yeah unless they want to go like oh yeah she just had to experience it twice by accident and then she can just do it I guess I don't know yeah he like vaporizes a blood and says that this is hyper dangerous and that's definitely going to be a plot point why would that be to me it felt really like specifically unless that's going to be lighter yeah it could have just been like you know destroyed all traces of our blood from the crimes not crime scene the scene but instead they make a big deal out of this thing and it was like oh okay yeah I don't know how that's going to come up maybe the Sicarians will relate to this in some way they're going to use it to make the son of Hulk from Planet Hulk or something like that's how you get that character because oh look I got the blood now we've all got a Hulk more plot relevant to the show maybe someone will want to get the blood so that they can use it to get superpowers um yeah he says you got to stay away from people until you learn how to control yourself because at this point he's treating her entirely like she's got the same issue he did back when he was as he should yeah it makes complete sense uh they have oh yeah what happens when she Hulk gets a period that's a good question oh that's not a good question why do we have to answer no it's a relevant question so uh you guys may have seen this from either trailers or clips or whatever but this this this is the setup where he's got her in a room and he's like we got a trigger year transformation with anger and fear and she's I got to read this out okay sorry she's like anger and fear those are baseline for a woman existing mmm disagree your honor yeah well she's objection relevance this is uh will be thoroughly enjoyed by women everywhere I'm sure of it so hey remember that comic panel that's going around it's like the exact opposite this scene oh yeah yeah yeah I want to see that TV show where she Hulk is like supportive of Hulk that would be nice yeah yeah likeable characters get out of here gross well and so to get a bit of the reverse uh he just starts up the soul blades machine now this is pretty bad for him yeah character considering that later in the episode he uses a mega horn and that works it's like man maybe we should like ease into this you know I don't mega horn and I don't see the point of this and move on to the torture chamber you know instead of especially considering that when you got in the crash you got hurt my man like so she could be hurt too I presume unless that that uh that device he put on him like just makes him so that he can be seriously maim I guess yeah part of the of this is like he's really enjoying this he's like oh like as though he 100% knows the outcome but he couldn't possibly he couldn't know the outcome she's only transformed twice and you understand nothing about a condition neither of you do which uh of course it's I don't know why I'd be highlighting that for any particular reason that neither of them have much information at this moment yeah nor will 30 seconds either but yeah obviously she panics the fuck out and does he even makes this face of like hope she makes it who are you why do I have to ask myself that question so much these days with the MCU who is this character that I thought I know who are you people quite a face isn't it right there it's like it's an emotional cringe so um yeah she does hulk out and then he's like woohoo you did it and then she gets angry and like breaks open the door which to be fair I mean yeah he did try to kill you so why not like it was hard for me to feel things like at this point I was just like why is any of this happening because like getting her to quote unquote hulk out is a hell of a lot easier than what he just did here this whole facility is fucking absurd if I'm being completely honest with you this particular thing let's not forget that the incredible hulk established that you know all you need to hulk out is to just get a little bit too excited in bed I think you could get a mild electric shocks you know the horn as mentioned not that kind chat get your mind out the gutter like there are so there are so many fucking ways you could have tried to shock her before going like hey we're gonna put a bunch of buzz sores into your body and see if you don't die I guess I thought it was funny like or like cool I don't know but it's it's really dumb um as she even points out what is this chamber you just have a chamber that has sores in it yeah did you build this beforehand like to test it on yourself do you lock yourself in and then do tests like that like what what is this chamber when Tony was installing all this for you what was he about the chainsaw room then again Tony can make sure I have my chainsaw room prepared for this night it's like sure so it's the kind of room you would expect Tony to put in is like a multi-million dollar joke and then it's like none of that is real lab we quickly discover she doesn't have a second personality she's just here both times and he's like oh wow and he says you don't have an alter ego and she's no and he goes I think I'm jealous is that jealousy I'm feeling and the way he says it the way he says it's like have you never felt jealousy jealousy before why are you so confused by this feeling I got that that's what it means I think it's just saying that he's jealous because she just gets to skip over a significant portion of sure it's just the way it sounds though it sounds like he never felt jealousy before that's what it sounded like to me I just yeah I figured it was that he was just like yeah this is totally different for her I guess I guess what I would say already though first and foremost I don't know like this is conclusive enough I think you need to do more tests what about some weird fluke or something like I don't know like it seems kind of a bit foolish to just assume that everything's chill you know straight away how long has it been I've got a question about this because obviously I haven't seen the show but like I've heard I think Metal you were talking to me about this seeing earlier my question going through my head because I what kind of fascinates me about Hulk as a character is the whole idea that you know the gamma bomb what it was doing is it was the Hulk is like a is a split personality that kind of already existed in some form so someone else going through that experience might not have the alter ego because Bruce already has like pre-built psychological issues so with the scene like this where someone else comes out pre-baked without the alter ego for me I was just like Bruce you're not going to question that like beyond going your jealous are you going to just aren't you going to go wait what is fundamentally different here is there something different with me is there something different with you is there something here like that could be a lead-in to doing some interesting Hulk stuff like him like trying to probe what the hell is going on in his brain where he turned into this like toddler this giant angry toddler while she just turns into bigger version of herself but from do they go any deeper than just oh I'm jealous of that no oh well anyway we're going to just go on we are so there's more that happens but in terms of exploring the nature of alternate personalities and stuff we're done but then this leads into like probably like the first part where I got particularly frustrated because um Bruce is like oh well I guess we can he has like a little binder that just documents the whole journey of he's a scientist and smart he documented all the things that's been happening so he's got he's got the little binder yeah that goes through like getting the exposure to gamma radiation all the way through like integrating the two selves you know and he rips it out says oh we can skip that and then Jennifer says kind of seems like I'm done here it's been a it's been a day man like you're not done here and the fact that you said that you're done here it says something about your priorities you are now quite dangerous innately um Ross described Hulk or compared him to a nuclear weapon um which seems apt in terms of the destructive capabilities to just be like yeah seems like I'm done because I don't have an alter ego I have to deal with I'm good I can go home right yeah like don't like that um says something about your priorities your priorities being you specifically with no regard for like anybody else or like any potential problems that could be caused by your new condition do you know I mean he immediately points out you can't control when you transform like seems important are you even just used to walking around as a much taller much more powerful entity in the world like are you used to that at all I don't think so you have no idea how to like transform back either this is just a really um irresponsible I think is the the correct word oh yes um seems bad when I think the impression that we're meant to get from that opening scene is that um she is not she is supposed to be to some extent thoughtful and considerate with regard to her moral framework um this is not indicative of that oh no you'd think so especially being a lawyer like she's certainly aware of how all that works um more so than the average person usually so feels weird but um funnily enough that thought had come to my mind but they do something here that I like and then it gets completely undercut soon enough because you have Hulk saying you still can't control when you transform and you can't be emotional regular anger can cause death and destruction and when people see you as a monster that never goes away and I am when he said that I was like I'm thinking about Age of Ultron that scene where Hulk sees everyone looking at him I was like yeah that probably is still weighing on him to this day I don't know why it wouldn't so um and she seems to take that as sound advice and I was like alright fine better moving on we'll see how far we can get with that but um felt like to me they're immediately making fun of Hulk like almost smash cutting to him being like we do Zen mindfulness uh you know meditation anything and she's like oh this is like okay great I'm not even convinced she took that as as too hard as you as you said because she just says oh train me to be a Hulk I guess like please like the way she says it sounds very cynical I guess what I'm trying to say is that she submitted which to me is like good good but unfortunately that's only stepping stone to something else yeah I can't remember the last time character frustrated me this much she's just like she's literally like a responsible child throughout this entire episode and like Hulk is trying to be an adult and Bruce is trying to be an adult in this situation but she's like no I know better you don't no problem that she obviously is not happy with the situation and wants to get back to her regular life it's just that surely you recognize that for a time you can't for the sake of everybody else I feel like if someone tells you who has been dealing with this for 15 years it's like hey if you fuck up once like you could kill a lot of people including your loved ones over there and oh fuck take as much time as you need I don't want that it's been one day and her nature has been fundamentally altered in a way that is like potentially very dangerous to just not give a shit is not great like I not for a moment I believe that this is an adult woman with a like lawyers degree with a stable career and does not have a better judgment that this like I yeah it's just disappointing I don't know I'm just frustrated with this entire thing I don't even have much to say I don't blame anybody for being frustrated with this especially with what's coming because we're almost to that wonderful scene but before then we get to see Hulk fucking around with her some more which is still strange to me but whatever just the horn waking her up with that and then yeah no not that horn meme stop it um this whole episode feels like like a a montage that was like too long just skip through it skip through everything and then he's like you know wherever you live in future you need it to be reinforced and she's like sighing I assume because she's like I don't have to do any of this really and then they're doing like exercises he's telling her about spandex he tosses a boulder she tosses one and he gets really insecure about his boulder tossing and so he fires a fucking comet into earth sure hope that doesn't come down on any populated area I don't see how this could possibly be anything but dangerous as fuck what he does there yeah so yeah his speech does cut a rig hollow that's what I mean I had a lot of trouble watching these little bits after having him be like all about the responsibility I was like um okay I get the it falls right into our category of Marvel want to tell jokes all the time and you're like yeah but your jokes are overlapping with some of your dramatic analytics no shut up our jokes are in isolation doesn't matter what the joke is it's in isolation you're like it's not though so they don't even try to do the smart person thing of like oh I have calculated the speed and trajectory of this throw so that it doesn't um they're doing some like jumps and lands and then she just goes she doesn't she say like man or something like that yeah she goes like oh man man I don't even know what the fuck that was supposed to be again I was the same I was like is there something I'm supposed to be drawing from this what the fuck are you doing um and I guess that's again once once again that's comedy question mark it is very funny um man man man man man man right this really yeah they do balancing and she's better at it than he is and he gets even more frustrated I don't know why they opted for this why this reminds me of like you know how they they had a chance to make doctor strange teach america shaves how to use magic what did they opt to do nothing okay nothing we have a chance here to opt for hulk to teach she hulk about what it's like to live like this what do they do instead they make her way better than him at everything and make him jealous I don't even know why you would give a fuck about that I've never like jealousy with fucking Bruce Banner yeah he's like hyper he was a more well-rounded and adult man in avengers than he has been since what's happened to him in avengers he should have been quite not well-rounded really given his life circumstances which we'll be talking about soon enough yeah I feel like Bruce Banner would actually be happy for her especially but I was about to say yeah he should be thrilled that he's just like oh you are like in control of your life like I did yeah that's cool and there's so many great opportunities for payoffs there that he's like he celebrates for you and then he goes you know I'll be back I gotta go sort something out and then she can like catch him just you know despondent she'd be like well what's wrong this is like why I mean none of that worked out that way for me let's just put it that way yeah you know I don't want to take away from how well you're doing I just it's just yeah you know just stuff like that seems like that instead instead instead holy shit what can come after me saying instead what do they do instead there's another example by the way they hit the ground he does then she does and who's like knocks over palm trees and he gets mad at her so he hits her off the cliff yeah just to think that this is the same Bruce Banner that was like in Avengers first Avengers like standing back to back with like Tony Stark and like the fact that Tony Stark was like you're a great scientist and now we're here you could say degraded as with all characters it's not the same character like no I just that's another thing I've been seeing in my recommended pop-up a lot videos about how the Hulk has been destroyed this is like yep welcome how you doing it's safe to pinpointed of exactly Infinity War to end game if not infinity war it was infinity war's decision not like right at the end that really fucked everything up they had their chance and they screwed up end game just put him in his coffin and then everything else been whatever because yeah the opening of infinity war when we saw him get beaten up by Thanos I think everyone expected he'd make a comeback but no he died there that's the same went into a coma see some people are saying Ragnarok killed him Ragnarok did not kill the Hulk dude he fought Fenris in that and it was epic as fuck he took on a giant wolf and beat it that did not ruin Hulk okay now I'll happily concede personality there's complications with Hulk going every step forward from the first avengers but nothing compared to what we got now he used to be an angry thing that beat things up that used to have duality he used to have a struggle because you know what choices they were in an age of Ultron but the scene where him and Iron Man fight and all of it because of his brain getting fucked with and him having to deal with that I think that's all great and they actively call attention to what a big deal it is what was the line like this is the first time the public is seeing the real Hulk or something like that just really emphasizing what a big deal this is I was going to highlight as well some people think that him talking ruined him I think people forget he said a word in avengers or two words yeah and he's been Hulk for years by the time of Ragnarok so he's probably developed more of an independent personality by that point I think they even allude to that with lines with banner with how I think even says like certain things about the Hulk had changed and I think that was alluding to the fact that he had become much more of a personality rather than just full rage all the time which they could have done something with they did so moving on I think oh yeah they talk about how they can get super duper duper duper drunk because what's the quote exactly we can drink so much and not get drunk and when I heard that I was like why would you do that what's the point it's all buzz but no bar so I guess you still get like you still get drunk well then why would you say you don't get drunk I don't know because the writer is a stupid because you know buzz like I'm not going to lie the buzz part of drinking is fine but I'm there to be drunk that's the fun part yeah yeah same not that I want to get buzzed that sounds like shit man to down like liters of Malibu and just be like well this feels all we've also drank a coke I guess yeah and then I wasn't sure how to feel about like this is such complicated whenever they touch anything to do with Tony, Steve and the Civil War era I'm just like you better be careful what are you doing what are you saying and they're like hands off you know like oh Tony because earlier he said that Tony built him this place and there's a line I actually quite liked we said something like he like trails off almost he says Tony told me it was like a loner and that you know you would take it back you would have it for this down the other some day and then like he looks down it's just the implication of like yeah obviously Tony died and then you see their initials are carved into this thing as well and he says a lot of the time was spent with Tony drinking and talking about Steve or complaining about him and I was like that's fine that's fair I'll allow it that's going to be relevant soon don't you worry about that hmm so yeah he's like time to start the next day and we're pretty much there fortunately it's the amazing scene so the main argument Hulk has right now is that you shouldn't go back to main world because you've got to get an understanding of full control over this thing and the main thing that allows you to do that is controlling your emotions obviously like as an audience at this point it's pretty easy to understand yeah Hulk is very much an emotions bomb and so that's the part that you got to get under control if you rage the fuck out you'll get people hurt I understand yeah it's all good alrighty um so then we we have her giving a sort of response I could say um and it's gotten around I was going to say like I could probably play it for you guys in chat but I think it's just too long I'd be risking lots of copyright for you yeah so I guess I could read out the notes I've got which are um you know he's saying you got to regulate your emotions you got to make sure you control them really important to do that and so she says I do that all the time I'm cat called I'm told what's what by incompetent man I do it every day because otherwise I get called emotional or difficult or I might get murdered which I'll just read out the whole thing before she says I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you and then she says all of this feels like you're projecting your shit on me so like Bruce tried to fucking kill himself and then Hulk wouldn't let him and the reason he tried to kill himself is because he was sick of being this walking time bomb um no I think their biggest mistake was throwing cat calling in that it's such a low level offense that it's just going to be laughed at like you serious why would you throw that in alongside all the other shit we're trying to talk about here um men like talking over you despite being less competent than you Jesus Christ I'm so sorry and then of course being called emotional or difficult if you don't control your emotions you like you got all these and then she says also I might get murdered what is happening what are we describing here she just goes from like cat calling to like murder apparently so uh and this is the thing a lot of people have tried to talk about different angles on this one of the ones that gets taken is like maybe this all would have been fine if not for that one part where she makes it about how she does she deals with more and deals with it better than him had she not had that part in there maybe this would have been fine um but like why the hell did you make it a competition yeah it's just saying all these things Bruce Banner in particular is is um there's not many people in the Marvel Cinematic Universe who have uh suffered quite as much as he has yeah that's good and when it comes to the nature of dealing with this condition the perspective that Bruce is essentially trying to get across is one of um being level he's he has been forced to get in control of his emotions because the consequences of not staying on top of it are very detrimental um not just to him but to the people who surround him um it's uh so staying this and yeah making it like a competition in terms of um who is the most aggrieved while speaking to Bruce Banner is um uh yeah yeah um I guess it'll stretch our memory a little bit but if we can just from the events of the MCU um how many bullets has this man been shot with at this point many again it's worth not glossing over Bruce Banner as far as I'm aware is the only like character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe who's attempted suicide because of his condition well that's where I was I was going to just try and stack it all up and essentially a giant list like you might you might be wondering well why are you bringing up him being shot by bullets and I'm like no fear yeah that's fair I guess all I'm trying to highlight is that getting shot by a bullet might make you angry let's say maybe it might frustrate you it might it might change your emotional disposition it might have an effect on it um I'd be a little annoyed then you have I think one of the bigger citations is that he was mentally like manipulated to the point of being unleashed upon a city of innocent people um and he was beaten into submission by one of his best friends to stop him from killing innocent people uh with everybody so he had like super duper coverage and it was just a worldwide public event something that um what I'm trying to highlight here is like you not only have the damage he did to those people but also just the that's going to weigh on you forever and it wasn't even you that's not even something he did you know in in two ways he had more onto the list I mean it's well it's it's worth not glossing over either like Bruce lost two years of his life like two conscious years of his life yeah gone um because of the condition you know and like his ability or inability to control it and that's on top of the many years that he just lost having to live in hiding no family that's just gone um it's um I think Bruce is trying to help um you know like I think I think that's what damns this entire scenario is this is all respect to trying to help it yeah I hate about the scene probably like it's also there is a scene where it cuts to Bruce and he's like basically nodding when she's like telling him yeah yeah I've been cuckold and Bruce is like nodding I'm so sorry for that it's just like literally and I keep thinking back to like the first Avenger Avengers movie when like Natasha goes to find Hulk and Bruce and that's such an like emotion that's one of the first Avengers is like the only movie that actually treats him fairly as a character and that scene is just so emotional when she's like she points a gun at him and she has like her eyes are full of tears and this is like a Russian like cold-blooded assassin yes and she's like she feels so much at that moment and she understands him so deeply and we understand him even though like this is literally the first time we see him and after all of that after to put all of that into the context and then this scene is just heartbreaking really just how much MCU has been neglecting this character and now we're just treating treating him as a emotional like as a punching bag really just a and then you know a way to push our feminist agenda in his in that scene he tells her like okay you can put the gun down and like you can see she's just terrified of him when we already know and she probably does too that pistol is not doing anything to him he's trying to reassure her for her sake black widow trying to reassure her like that's where we were at once upon a time and what I liked as well there's loads of bits in that scene that really good but do you remember when he first realizes it was a trick he like starts um I don't know what the phrase would be but like turning his hands over each other again and again like um and looking at windows and stuff yeah like because he now knows like so whoever you are you work for a bunch of people who want me to hulk out and destroy something I already know exactly what this is and like uh like and that is reflected then in his latest scene where he says you guys drag me back into this freak show which yeah so much more of a had a backbone a damaged character and he had such a potential yeah hulk is a ripe character um Bruce Banner and hulk as a pair is is ripe awesome and it's being neglected and so it's pretty lame when we arrive at this point when we're being very mean to him you know yeah this is cruel yeah so there's actually a video someone linked that kind of highlights all the stupid shit that um that we've just been talking about I don't know if you wanted to play that or not if it's like too copiedism or what but I put it in the chat um if you wanted to look at it either way is that the one from lofty something uh will be 666 um uh just uh send it to me and I think he also tagged in the discord as well you're able to just because of the sake of copyright can you just summarize it or is it uh well it's just it's just basically showing like the delete because there's because the the scene of the so it's basically him talking about it's basically her lines about cat calling and then slowly fading into like the deleted scene from incredible Hulk where he tries to kill himself like the one that he's describing in Avengers and then it's a montage of all the shit that he's lost like Natasha and um all the all the other shit that he's been through and then just then spading right back to her just bitching about again cat calling and like this really like in relatively minor shit compared to I fled the planet because I felt too persecuted subconsciously or you know all this other stuff yeah um this reminds me of that meme on youtube where there's like a tweet of like tell me a character who has gone through more and there's like a picture of Rey and then they literally put every other Star Wars character in the video and all the shit that they have gone through and yeah this is basically that that situation again oh yeah and so I think that's probably a sufficient level of listing now a counter argument may be hey this girl may have no idea about any of this stuff though like yeah what would his cousin know about all of these events yeah events that are pretty damn public anyway but the fact that you even just referenced the loss of Natasha like she should know about that she should know about all of it and she's actually this is kind of what I'm getting at why the hell did you write her citing cat calling to this man the fuck are you doing and it's not about like I'm even going as far as saying if she went oh man I fucking get my earphones they get tangled so regularly it's like yeah annoying I feel like it's a little lower tier compared to the realities of um we forgotten as well that we're talking about Bruce's arm injury it's like yes that very bad arm injury was sustained from Bruce personally restoring trillions of beings back into existence quadrillions even yeah and we forgotten like who Bruce is overall with highlighting with highlighting he either brought her back or someone she loves there's no way that that wasn't happen at some point so I just um I think that's something that we've talked about before as well how how sad it is that there's no appreciation for Banner being the one that snapped I know that there is I know that people will be like well Iron Man is like yeah Iron Man gets the appreciation good but Hulk hasn't been really at all even though he was instrumental um super instrumental really well they gave him his arm back and now they can slap him around I guess he's just been sort of left to the wayside yeah and so in the face of all of that it's like man you're being very mean to him I don't know what to say you're just being really mean and cruel and just again if this were all in script form and they were passing it through to me and they were like what do you think I'd just be like um you guys can do this but I don't know why you'd think people are going to like this new character of yours they're really going to dislike her and if they were like well what do you mean but she's explaining a lot of what she struggles in I guess you guys may have seen those tweets where it's like finally a generation of man will be able to understand like by watching this show the kind of shit that women have to put up with I'm just like do you really think this is a good delivery device for that I don't think so this is going to backfire majorly and we keep saying it but it's true she's saying this too you've formatted the scene you've put her up against a Bruce Banner you don't you've just put her up against a character who has had a pretty pretty bad life and also a character who just the reality is we've seen him for over a decade at this point and she's brand new like she has a lot of an uphill battle in terms of endearing herself to people because you just don't know who she is yet I would say this was not a great way to start but then again I guess I guess a lot of people like this scene there's tweets that got hundreds of thousands of likes that like it yeah there's a lot of these people I just want to say it's just it's sometimes because I think the problem that you think about this and then you take it in conjunction with her desire to like leave even though by now it's what been a week but even if you were to look at like the first day we have been presented with a set of traits that don't seem particularly congruent with who I'm probably meant to believe that she is like what her principles are what she values it just doesn't seem very congruent and I mean when you have a scene like this it really feels like I'm not listening to a character it's like the writer is talking directly to us which is not transparent the funniest thing is that she keeps talking about projecting but this is like this is literally writer projecting her insecurities or whatever just her frustrations onto the script and onto these characters and also it's like we talk about fourth wall breaking this is literally a writer looking at the screen and be like yeah and they're very proud of themselves which is embarrassing because the hypocrisy is just amazing I mean we're going to devalue we're going to devalue entire Hulk's character because he's a man we're not sexist at all we're going to battle sex in that I guess something that's worth touching on this is episode one of nine this is the beginning of her journey and she will doubtless be going on an arc in this film do we think that the arc will address this particular point or do we think that the arc will be different can I answer that question by adding a few more references from this scene by which I wish I do so she says all of that and right at the end she hulks out I'll just show it right here she does that and see hulks reaction there he's satisfied because he's like haha I was right of which she responds no you're not I did that I'm in control and she unhulks herself straight away yep go hulk yourself so whatever irony that was meant to be there probably wasn't intended I think that that's the writer's way of being like yeah you think she's not in control when she made that speech because she was loud but that's your own like sort of issues you're seeing there she's not being emotional or difficult she's being honest, she's being forthright she had complete control of her anger you just think that she doesn't when in reality she was just sharing the truth because that's part of what she's complaining about isn't it yeah you know she said that she'll be seen as difficult or emotional when she lets anyone know about any of this which is what she's doing in that speech and then hulk's like haha you are and then she's like no I'm not so I don't my point overall being that I don't think the show is going to undercut that ever I think the show will sit on that as concrete it'll say no the scene is 100% especially considering a scene we get later when she leaves where she what I'm called apologizes yeah when she says harsh but very true it's like and then of course there's the meta as well that's kind of a bit difficult to get around like when you've got when when when you have to take it within the context of like I guess the world that we're in now I don't yeah I just don't I don't really see that that speech getting undercut I think the most criticism she's getting is what she got in this scene which is you were mean it's like I was mean but I was right as opposed to that the like whatever perspective that was a yeah like it's yeah yeah the only way I can see this changing is if somehow they have deceived us and all the other episodes after this are written by a ghost writing team that actually knows what they're doing maybe they then fix everything that's in this first episode but I don't see that happening for some reason that's outside the realm of what I see is reality so no I don't see it really going anywhere my my guess oh sorry it sounds like you have something to say that's it yeah yeah it's fine um I think what I was like waiting for for the entire episode was like her sort of being in control but then like suddenly turns out her alter ego was like actually in control this whole time and she will just lash out or something would happen like I think that would redeem the episode for me which was like oh wait there's just something wrong here but like no she's that perfect it feels like the obvious thing to do here was like oh if you think she's in control then something more severe happens and then we see she's actually not in control at all yeah no I just think we're going for something I get the impression that the arc for the show will be that she is initially apprehensive to embracing this new part of herself but by the end of the show she will embrace this part of herself that's that's the impression I get is that she can extract a lot of value from her new uh state and so I don't really think that that has anything to do with what we had in this scene I think that that is done like that that is the self-contained thing that has been set up and resolved in this episode and that's it that's the impression I get West Chin how much in terms of screen time let's go with minutes and seconds if you can make a guess do you think we're going to see of Hulk post episode 1 not much I think this is a big dump of his content and we're not going to see him he'll appear every now and then I wouldn't be too surprised if he tins up on like a mobile phone twice or something that's not happening I would actually just say he's probably going to appear in the last episode for like five minutes he'll probably appear in the last episode yeah could you go to have your big hooks and stuff for the finale but otherwise I think that I don't think we're getting any more substantive Bruce stuff and I don't think we're going to get any more substantive stuff with regard to Jennifer's relationship with Bruce I think that's it we're getting dead devil apparently next episode I hope they will I'm pretty terrified especially now that we got the quote where the writer said something along the lines of they were going to do a multi episode arc for like a court case regarding abomination but they realized as they're working on it that they couldn't write compelling court drama yep there we go I sent this to you didn't I I'm not sure why you would admit this before your show came out well here's the thing the article I forgot who did the article or the interview that part so the part where this ends where she says oh yeah we realize we don't know how to write these kind of things so I don't know I'm not a journalist but I would probably my next question would be how did you rectify that mistake because we don't get the answer because that's not the question we get because next thing is completely different well there were a lot of interesting observations in that interview because I think it was with the head writer and something that they said was they addressed something that we touched on earlier which is the challenges of having a CG character as like the main character of a television show they essentially got guidance from Kevin Feige to write it like carte blanche and have the character appear as much as they wanted but then when it actually came to a matter of production they started cutting scenes with She-Hulk and had to like reduce it a lot because of monetary concerns that's another instance of like man you would figure that this would be integrated into the plan earlier on when you get stuff like that and when you get the I mean then again I think that that isn't as bad as admitting that in your show that is called She-Hulk and I think that's the idea at law that none of you felt particularly well equipped to write any legal drama that was like the thing that I that of all of the aspects of the show like innately because I agree with meme I think that you've got to I think that the idea is strong of having essentially this character interacting with the world of like super superheroes, super humans and law and how that would influence law and you know that but we're not going to do that clearly that's obviously not what we're going to do so um yeah you know like a big cool ass and now that we're going to have Daredevil coming as well when so many of the scenes that people liked in Daredevil you think about a lot of the great scenes in that show a lot of them took place within the courtroom Daredevil's Matt well say Daredevil Matt's speech about the differentiation between questions of morality and questions of fact in a courtroom um the court scene with Punisher um when Daredevil was in court at the beginning of Defenders just absolutely like obliterating the opposing council you talk to the writers would be like you know you got all that and then they're like so what should we do when we're so inexperienced in writing court things it's like it's not we get someone in to help us it's not um we work with maybe the writers from Daredevil to see what they you know they just instead they go well let's just reduce our court scenes what the fuck well so yeah get a fucking legal advisor you monkeys I'm not sure why you would lean into because I keep marketing it as this is a legal like a legal comedy or a legal drama but like it's not gonna be though is it like you're gonna have more than half the title guys fuck off it is more than half the title um but I get the impression it's just gonna be it's just gonna be um really shallow like it's there'll be things in court rooms and none of it will even remotely adhere to like the way that these things would actually operate and ask for any meaningful or interesting questions being raised and something that would be really lame is I bet you people would be like well yeah it's a comedy as though to imply that a comedy can't also meaningfully explore interesting subjects says more about your perspective on writing than it does mine but you know you know I've been singing a song from a comedy that explores very meaningful subjects a lot of the time I think it's called the armor future or something yeah yeah I guess I'm just I don't know this episode has not made a great first impression in terms of an indication of where we're going it's not even over and it's not even over we've still not even over yet it's still bad well yeah so um he says like he's chasing cause she's leaving basically after that little rant like who's going to protect the innocent like if not us which that is a more important line in terms of saying what the arc is going to be than like anything we saw before like seriously that's what it's going to be is that she realizes that she needs to be proactive in being a hero nothing in terms of remedying or addressing her fundamental profession and well what annoying me is her response to being like are you quoting a comic book it's like yeah that's another comic book that's another signal to laugh that's another like they're like ain't that funny that she said you probably and then it's an interesting perspective that Bruce Banner has Bruce Banner who had to deal with a condition where he had an entity within him that was incredibly violent and dangerous so now he's arrived at a point where he believes that it's his obligation to help people with what he has which he initially viewed as a curse is this not a cool idea why would you market why would you reduce it to a stupid joke I went not even to the physical part of this next thing and I have so many issues with the dialogue so she's like outraged that he's trying to put her on his path because he mentioned superhero and she says like I'm not you I don't need to join a government contract squad and have my entire life taken away from me before we continue with the dialogue holy shit how loaded was that like yeah so well my primary issue with this is like well my primary issue with this is like intergalactic wars he's fucking fried his arm with the power of all the universe just to say you don't get to talk so I was struggling with it for many reasons including those but I was like so it sounds like she's chastising him for having signed the accords presumably I don't even know if he did yeah referring to him as part of a government contract squad that's very specific language especially from a lawyer this is what I'm saying like the Hulk didn't even have time to join with the accords so he was always acting under you know a conjoined effort from a bunch of individuals so she's just wrong and she should know better especially as someone who's a lawyer secondly why are you chastising the idea that he would have worked in line with the government when you're a fucking lawyer and I'm pretty sure at this point she's a public prosecutor I am very lost on that criticism like fuck you man I ain't working for the government it's like I mean I'm pretty sure she's like a public so I just thought that was really weird as well and then she said have my entire life taken away it's like if you think that what the hell was that speech just now do you believe that and then we get the follow up where she says oh so you weren't alone hiding with no friends no family no relationships and totally not dealing with decades worth of trauma I like my jaw hit the fucking ground at this point so I was like how can you agree with that that's the at least before we could argue that she's a dumb ass and for some reason has forgotten all of the realities of his history but she's pointing it out how can you be such a bitch to this man when you you've declared that he's had decades of trauma I think it's it's the problem with all of this all of these elements the two conclusions you'd come to was either she's like really ignorance or arrogant it's one of the two um it's it's it's it's almost like these scenes were written by different people who like didn't talk to each other about what happened I just couldn't believe it uh because people were citing this moment as evidence that she does have a heart and that that earlier scene it was only like one of two pieces which is this one and I was like this one makes that one so much worse what do you mean it definitely makes it worse because it acknowledges the it acknowledges the reality of Bruce's life while still shitting on him yeah and there's just real quick what does Banna say about all of this you're saying mean stuff to me I look he's right she's saying mean things it's like a bad firm it's like counter of like a million things he's a very intelligent man he should be more pointed in his criticism you know he's just like yeah and yeah I can't imagine what the guy from Avengers would have said to all of this because it wouldn't have been this the dialogue would have been very different well he's a different person now isn't he chat are you okay with if we have Joss Whedon write the dialogue or is he still too evil can we sub him in you want him back yet it's interesting because we had here just of the things that she said like oh I don't want to be superhero but I guess Bruce Bruce says it's like oh yeah but you kind of have a responsibility but then you could like go I know of a multiple episodes it's like an ultimate episode thing you could go for I guess where you where you basically say oh yeah they figure out that she is like much more control already after multiple tests obviously we have to do a lot of tweaking here because we just do all of this in this one episode and it's like oh man I guess if you're like actually in control and you don't actually have an alter ego I guess you can still do the normal stuff but then you still have to be thrown into the mix when shit is going down the drain I guess like something like that you know but here's just like hey here's you mean stop it like Jesus Christ what are you doing I guess what you're highlighting there though Metal is like in terms of the difference in their values and their goals she believes that she can help through the way that she was already doing it which is just continuing with her career and that's totally fine like that's a valid perspective to hold and it's something that can definitely be challenged over the course of the story there's no reason why these two characters can't have that conflict without it all coming constantly at his expense like in a different perspective that she values and it's like yeah you have these values but these are mine as opposed to like just constantly degrading him I don't understand there are two words that come to mind firstly cunt but secondly there's a word you used Fringy which was unequipped and I think it is the perfect word to describe the writing process here everyone it's like I can't speak for all of them personally but it's very clear the final product was the product of a team that was unequipped not just for law but for characters for basic story structure for everything that just makes a story this living breathing entity that's interesting to observe through this window we call a screen they did not have the tools necessary to pull it off and it is such a fucking shame so we're not even done with the episode yet I was gonna say this is how I would like to deliver this information hey chat guess what happens next she runs over him with a car which shouldn't be possible considering that Bruce like stopped Hulk stopped a giant Atari ship he's not only getting run over he gets yeeted quite a distance dude he's really strong he's very strong in the atmosphere hey remember how he punched this sky I'm weird no that was Hulk I don't know who this guy is I don't know who he is he's smart Hulk he's very smart Hulk this shouldn't be possible he's Hulk he's really strong when it's also elephant in the room did you really just run over your cousin man okay wow yes but then it continues from there because he gets knocked over and then gets out of the rubble and then she approaches him and punches him in the face yes I don't know what they're trying to do I think they wanted to be like oh look it's like siblings siblings except the two giant monsters they're fighting each other destroying everything wait someone just said attempted manslaughter isn't that not incongruous attempted manslaughter I guess you could say like reckless endangerment isn't manslaughter not attempted the whole point of it is that you kill someone without attempting to do it the closest thing is if you're attempting to make murder look like that yeah yeah I guess not grievous because he's Hulk but you know still you don't drive a jeep into someone into a rock wall whether they're Hulk or not typically it's just not a nice thing to do it's weird because she seems to recognize like oh that might have hit him it's like oh you're a genius aren't you I mean her friend told her so she called her a genius in the beginning of the episode so there you go why did she punch him she's upset he was just standing there and this is also you right in the rock wall why'd you do that why'd you do that I don't know but yeah then they have a fight which to me almost felt mandaty like we should hope she helped fight I did not expect to fight this episode especially not one involving hulk and she remember metal there's always two so there's a second one right after this one also he does his hulk clap on it and then she claps back and it's way better it's once and then she does it 15 times in a row yeah she like annihilates him he has little ear balls what's funny is if you look at it she doesn't even do anything different it's just the same motion and then it just works it's just ruining him because he doesn't know how to handle that of course a lot of people have been comparing this particular clap to the one that it looked like an incredible hulk because we breached the point of incredible hulk like nostalgia because of how little hulk has been utilized I haven't seen that film in ages I already know it's better than this wouldn't even be remotely difficult now how do I know what used to be bad MCU movies has changed one dollar view this would happen the phase one two and three they're all gonna especially Avengers Avengers is a movie that keeps going back to and it keeps improving it was said before but it's like the best black widow Loki and hulk movie all of those characters got served so well by that film just the idea of a hulk versus she hulk fight kind of is weird to me because I just see as she hulk is such a separate entity that I just never I don't even really desire to see just to see a physical conflict between these two yeah but mandate and trail footage trail footage of hulk fight and she hulk because you know you can people fighting in trailers is just easier to insert than people talking about things even though you'd figure that this would be a show that would be predominantly like of all the shows the least action oriented yeah nope we need two action scenes per episode and this is the first one and yeah by the way they in the middle of their fight they just crash into the little bar the bar that Tony helped bush build his deceased friend I knew what I was watching I was just like why why twist the knife what's wrong with you hmm at least she helps him fix it even but it's something I guess but you started it oh yeah all of this was crazy and we still got the jarring editing because the fight is over now it just is over and then we cut to the bar being fully built and we just have him go okay you can leave you can leave yeah what was all that we needed a fight scene for the trailers and for the mandate people were getting bored I guess with conversations I feel like this image sums up a lot yeah this show is trying to make Hulk vs Tony thing Hulk vs Tony what do you mean Iron Man which which movie was that oh that was Age of Ultron yeah oh yeah I feel like they came through on that they have different attributes that are at play one of them is obviously Hulk but the other one is an Iron Man suit specifically designed to account for Hulk's abilities here it's just Hulk vs Hulk essentially they seem to have the same attributes there's so many wonderful character moments in that fight as well oh yeah go to sleep go to sleep yeah with this jack hammer punch into his face and then he spits out a tooth and you get that still shot of Tony seems so genuine what was it like Veronica like how are we doing it well that's comprehensive can we stop that what a great line like how quickly can we buy this building before he destroys it before he destroys it Age of Ultron is bad but it's still got some good lines what you want in a bad movie is at least the characters are alright the characters can make it through you'll be alright then I guess the Ultron we happily sell so many good lines in Age of Ultron I'm just going to binge the entire MCU after this the beginning part I just got nostalgic all of a sudden yeah we're thinking about doing some kind of coverage eventually in some way for earlier MCU stuff because it'll be fun to go back eventually because they're going to have aged better probably every time you post a clip on the Twitter it's like oh man that's so good I want to watch that again so much good character stuff there Jesus and it mustn't be understated that the whole reason the MCU took off wasn't because of the big bombastic action that they keep crowbaring into every fucking episode of these shows even beyond reason it was the fact that those action scenes were payoff to the great character writing that was present leading into it we cared that two characters were fighting or a character was in an action oriented situation questioning how are they going to get out of this what does it mean to be in that situation like the whole reason that ending action extravaganza at the end of Avengers is really satisfying is because we had well all the movies for one thing leading up to it but also all the scenes ahead of time bringing them all together showing how they're budding heads showing the differences in their philosophy showing them overcoming their differences and this is the culmination of them finally fucking coming together and punching aliens like if you just smash it's the DCU problem if you just smash cut to them punching aliens like they're it's meaningless no one goes to see the film or they might see it once then they go well I'm just going to forget about that the next day they don't see it again big box office drop off you don't have a franchise you don't have any of this and they've forgotten that with all of these I think they're aware that they're in serious danger of that happening with the next team up they have because I think they have to be they're going to be like realistically I think they don't care enough they know it's going to make money it's making money right now so the concern is will the bubble pop when the appeal of the Avengers was the novelty of seeing these characters that you liked coming together what does it mean when that novelty doesn't exist anymore and you're not that invested in any of the characters I keep comparing this to Star Wars and like even though like Star Wars has been like continuously like disappointing its entire fandom it's still doing fine so this makes me depressed I think that's a fair concern I think it's a fair concern even in the face of a lot of because a lot of people have already turned on Obi-Wan Kenobi but they weren't when they were watching it and they forget because when Mando season 3 comes out they're probably going to get a response and then who knows afterward will be the only fuckers on earth that don't like Mando season 3 again I feel like Disney is hoping that the same will happen with MCU and we don't know I mean we can go anyway but there's a huge danger that I will just basically be the same scenario as with Star Wars the quote one of my favorite Star Wars stories apathy is death hmm hmm well apathy is what killed Game of Thrones as well it just didn't care anymore yep so yeah he's literally like if you want to go back go back whatever you can call me anytime doors open alright then guess you're nice but what about all your concerns you mentioned earlier all the dead people that might be happening is that cool then we cut back to where we were it's like there you go you caught up now let's get on with my show it's like wow that really was what that was wasn't it like I want to tell my story here what do I have to do to get there it's like oh I got created by this accident he tried to teach me to be I was already good at it he tried to tell me it's about controlling my emotions of course I know how to control my emotions right back on my story it's like yeah she also says oh she emphasizes when we go back he was wrong I was right by the way okay let's go win this case so what she says I think is that I was right Bruce was wrong I have to be a Hulk obviously the point of the show is going to be that she needs to push on being a Hulk a bit more to help people that's probably going to be well as we will see in a scene very much here right about to emerge so actually can you sort this out what happens in this scene like what is this oh so it's like the 10 year right closing statements in like a case that we know nothing about except it seems to be like against an evil corporation or something that had like some product that harmed a bunch of people so it's actually very similar to the one that they did in the defenders verb Matt was against like a pharmaceutical company or something I have no idea like I have no idea what the actual case is but then Jennifer gets up to do the speech but somebody just busts through the wall and you might be asking who is this why is she here who is this what is going on just goes from the wall it's like this is a family guy joke this is a family guy joke it's actually the cool line guy it's the cool line guy except it's not just bust through the wall I don't know who you are I don't know why you can bust through walls I have no idea why you're here I don't even know what this case is about and then like no sooner has she busted through the wall that just off in the background while Jen is hiding behind her desk like there's just a fight going on I have no idea what's happening no it is jank as hell it's probably the jankiest episode of TV I've ever seen it might be the jankiest and then this is the important part though here so she's hiding behind her desk and her friend says like you gotta go help you gotta turn into Hulk and help and Jen doesn't want to do that as we can see in the background there's guys there fighting a woman who busts through a wall so she's probably very strong and their lives are in serious danger and everybody else in the courtroom and you just don't want to help because you don't want to deal with the fallout of helping these people it's characterization so I wonder if they'll hang on to this or not yeah no they won't yeah like that's your big concern oh my suit's gonna get torn up oh no if I don't help quickly these guys in the back might be dead yeah other people in the courtroom our hero and the way she takes off the shoes yeah so this is a clear example of in the writer's room they probably didn't realize that this is building character the character that it builds is my personal convenience is more important than saving lives when I am uniquely well positioned to save lives wouldn't it be funny if she says she doesn't want the suit to break that would be funny what happened was her arc is that she doesn't want to be proactive in being a hero that's her arc but you put her in a situation where her not actively jumping into help is kind of damning yeah probably kills people well it's just you can help you are uniquely well positioned to help but you don't want to because you don't want to cause inconvenience to your personal and professional life or not great and then we get possibly the worst edited fight scene I have ever seen in my entire life possibly possibly the worst when I saw this I was shocked because I saw obviously you've seen this you've seen this on twitter already or youtube or whatever and I was like oh they probably cut this together for like I don't know social media stuff and then I saw this it was the exact same scene I was like what the fuck did you do why would you put this in your show this is so I'll do my best here because of copyright so chat you would have seen bad guy over there said something I don't know then she helped say something then it just cuts look at that cut what the hell we've only just begun this adventure all of a sudden she's right next to the desk that Jennifer was standing beside how did she get there did she ride across there while Jen was standing next to it oh god this is so horribly done just like saying I don't know what she said she says Jennifer Walters attorney at war and then all of a sudden the other woman is next to the desk likely they have chopped out a whole portion of this fight that we didn't get to see they've clearly because Jennifer would have been standing right next to her she would have been right there next to that desk awful like so one of the important parts of like editing especially in a fight scene is continuity it is really important that the viewer understands where people are where they're going and what they're doing like that's the important part showing enough information so that everybody can understand that when you have like these two well I mean if you don't want to do that the result is that a character that you told me what's standing over there is all of a sudden standing over here and this other character is all of a sudden standing over there but that's really useful for solving it's not the other desk it's her desk it's literally her desk you can see her friend powering underneath that desk don't confid it's you're wrong it's her desk and she was standing right next to it and if it was the other desk she would have also been standing right next to it because they are right next to each other the desks lined up in the same place this it's fucking fun and also it couldn't be the other desk because if it was the other desk it would be right next to the jury box and she throws it across the courtroom to the jury box you're wrong dude I don't know why you said that so confidently you're completely wrong so anyway and then yeah so they throw she throws the desk and she halt catches it and then throws it at her then it just cuts to she halt just standing there and then all of a sudden the woman is in the air jumping lunging to kick at her it's like we changed genres suddenly into something goofy as fuck yeah it's not goofy it's just shit that is goofy this is this is more more suitable for a like if it was in Kung Pao or some shit like that I could totally understand it this is what I'm saying I saw you you were underneath the desk what happened when did you get up from underneath it when did you build up speed to run it like I didn't see any of that I need to see these things to know you're saying you don't like that Zohan kick she does this is what I mean it feels like I'm watching a different genre like yeah but you know that was what yeah sorry to make it clear I wasn't talking about the editing I was talking about this particular choice of choreography here suddenly happening when we haven't seen anything like this at all it's just like oh by the way you can't even appreciate how good this is chat because I haven't got the music on that also is abrupt in terms of starting up and stopping I forgot about that well lost for about 20 seconds they have the music start off and then it's over because she's down who the fuck was this and why did any of this happen who knows no idea and I don't think we're gonna we will figure it out in the future I don't know I don't know well she's like the chicken plays it was actually at the premiere and she was part of the I think she's gonna be a recurring character this Titania person she's got like close to top so she's probably the main villain okay I don't know because it makes me giggle it's Titania right that's the character she holds an arched enemy but again most people haven't read She-Hulk comics or even know about that so you just had a super strong woman just burst into the courtroom and say nothing except for who are you who is she what is she what why is she so it was the same in fact when all of a sudden you've got people who are super soldiers jumping around there aren't many of these people I thought you can't just like throw them into the story and then expect people not to ask questions the trailer of this show is arguing there's a shit ton of random superhero people there I don't know what they're gonna say the cause is maybe they're just giving up at this point they're like no there just is there are just superhuman people around fuck it yeah I this feels like Clark Kent working at like the daily planet and then he's just and then Zod without any build up just smashes through the walls just like I am Kryptonian man I will find you I think the construction is clear right cause of what we were highlighting also a dialogue says I was right Bruce was wrong I'll never have to be a Hulk and then this scene is like oh you better be a Hulk to help oh gosh I guess I'll be a Hulk and then I helped oh well look at that Bruce was right like yeah okay then I guess so yeah that's the episode pretty well there's one more scene well there's one more scene at the end well cause she's like I wanna do my closing statement it's like you know what I think Court is adjourned for the day you know I think I'll do I'm at the the Steve Rogers the most credit scene my favorite thing is that when like this scene happens the only time we get to the Court for this entire episode and the writers are like oh wait we don't know how to write this jump into the action that's actually pretty funny yeah they're like okay so she stands up to the jury and then I don't know what they say just make someone burst your wall fuck what a shit Joe episode one well wait you talked about the post credit scene I guess there's nothing to say about it Hulk just explains who Cap fucked back in the day and then she goes ah Captain America fucks cause I found that joke to be very very funny I guess I guess people kind of play but I don't know I am deeply upset but yeah that's the end of the episode not a great start yeah it's fucking trash dude yeah it just goes worse than I thought it was gonna be I can't believe I'm saying that every goddamn time we watch these things it's like oh wow cause you figured that this show would be lower variables compared to a lot of the other stuff right because it's the relatively low stakes compared to where we're at now the Hulk's relatively low stakes for me the big thing is just that if you would ask me like so what would you what would they have to do to be like the worst well you're gonna have to destroy Hulk you're gonna have to like really rip into him both through his actions and what people say about him and then you're gonna have to make a main character who's just fucking difficult as hell to like possibly one of the worst she's worse than Plank alright she was there was nothing really going on she was smug to a degree but like she wasn't this bad she was still trying to do the right thing and wanted to help save the world this is like Plank on steroids I guess well maybe not steroids maybe with horns like she's just eviler and worse she's very mean I think that's a good way to describe it she's a very mean person it's really fucking awkward that like the best of the new female characters probably Yelena and it's only because there's not much to say about her as opposed to it being negative I guess well because we keep forgetting because we didn't watch Hulk I guess I heard more positive things about Kate Bishop than anybody obviously we can't speak on the ones we haven't watched I'm assuming you haven't watched it I haven't so maybe Kate Bishop yeah but like god damn they're doing real bad with all their new characters they're gonna do it's worth that you know the VLC glitches you get when you pause and you just go through the frames and stuff they're gonna start like baking that in to the episodes proper that's how they're gonna continue digging below the bottom I think the CGI is just give up I'm just looking forward for them to like going even worse than this like I cannot physically imagine myself anything like this is rock bottom I'll go to you it's like what are you, how creative can you get really I don't know that the rock Loki and multiverse like Love and Thunder exist you know like is that what you mean when you say rock bomb like the combo of this all of this I think like from the filmmaking perspective or like I was gonna get more incompetent production wise you mean if we go by history this show will get worse no matter what this is the good episode as far as we know well because you keep getting more material that gets added on just more and more material more chances to screw up I'm just looking forward for the memes they will be there will be memes especially if they fuck with Daredevil oh they will incite a shit storm if they fuck with Daredevil well yeah that might be because I found the episode pretty frustrating but I guess now I look forward with a sense of dread in terms of what's gonna happen with characters I'm more invested in yeah I'm pretty worried just obvious stuff she'll talk to him about his operation and then she'll be critical of how toxic he is maybe if we get scenes like that don't do it you don't have to okay in this case there is well it seems the investment in Bruce has been renewed by the realisation of how little material is got but in the case of Daredevil we're dealing with a character who had a show that's pretty beloved I would encourage one to be a little bit more careful in terms of the decisions that they make with writing that character but who knows really I'm super worried at least yeah like the rocks Bruce got flung into when he got run over with this car when are these releasing these episodes is it every week Thursday who knows maybe we'll cover one of the episodes for the anniversary in the episode we'll see about it maybe this will be the format for covering She-Hulk what episode at a time thrown in with maybe something else happening there will be no point in covering episode one again now I feel like we just annihilated it rags will have to re-watch this rags will have to watch the episode and then watch this so that he's caught up and he's gonna fucking hate both experiences I'm so sorry rags is going to fucking hate this episode oh this guy I can hear him crying already poor rags you think rags tears running down his face as he's watching punished Bruce I could already picture being in a cult while I'm editing just letting it play just hearing him complain I'd just be like I know I know you know the had hulk music from the 70s show that was also in the Incredible Hulk do do do do do do do do do do should be the end credit music for this show while Bruce is sitting alone on the island just sitting there Thor and Matt Murdoch showed up in that show or at least that continuity as well I'm pretty sure that's kind of funny the hulk I'm pretty sure though was she invented then that's a good question she might be a child of the 80s thinking about it she was created because of rights-related stuff right they created She-Hulk to make sure that they would have that as a right available to them yeah I think it might be a spider woman situation although I think She-Hulk has been much more successful than spider woman because there's been so many spider women figuring out what to do with the gender swap well that's not a hard thing what Madame Web is right that's basically a spider women movie by the sounds of it yeah plus Peter's parents for some reason yeah well because it seems that the plot matters you've got a team of spider women who have to I don't know if they've gone back in time or if it's just set in set at an earlier time but it's protecting an unborn Peter from being killed by some Spider-Man villain just to be the plot or the rumored one anyway interesting I think how Sony really needs to keep making spider-man movies if they want to retain these rights they will never let them go they're never going to let them go never gonna give them up. never gonna let them down doodly doodly doodly doodly doodly doodly which completes our coverage of She-Hulk which means we are now gonna start entering good old messages from from the chat which is usually the time where I say if metal nuts a meme if any of you would like to evacuate to abandon to run to the hills that is off this stream you are welcome to do so not that you went before but now is a better time than before now it's socially acceptable yeah we're putting the gun down yeah well you know me I'm staying very well yeah all right I gotta wait for yeah to say whether or not she's gonna wait well how long does this take because I'm well let's even if it took between ten minutes and ten years I would expect you just leave if you want to leave it's all good yeah I'm just like having problems with connection as a flight so I think it would be better if I just I'd love to stay but I just like problems with technical problems basically no problemo whatsoever you appreciate you popping in for the for the three yeah really I enjoyed it very much good for inviting me oh yeah I mean you know if we cover more she hull my brain is like you really doing that I'm like yeah I guess so if you'd like to join us some other time to talk she held baby you know you can jump back in oh I'm excited why not yeah well again thank you so much for being so cool about everything and good company good luck so much with whatever you're up to 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a good rest of the night whatever you're up to you thank you bye what boy boy maybe right then I'm just looking I'm just looking at she Hulk trade paperbacks and collections and ox cuz I'm just like I need something to wash the taste out I need it now to read some of those comic books just to compare and contrast because it would be interesting if it's like really is quite different at least based on that because there was that one panel where it was a one page that was showing like it was Jennifer was comforting Bruce while he was struggling with what was it specifically it's like struggling with them because he's feeling really guilty about it and she's really actually quite happy that she's right I'm pretty sure it's you know a message messages to panel well yeah cuz she so oh yeah right cuz he believes that she would blame him for the decision he made and he's really upset about it but she's um she has a much more optimistic outlook in the on the nature of yeah that condition is like it was great I love this I like being green I think she actually says yeah I thought that was the whole shit with she Hulk is that she unlike Bruce who really struggles with it she finds it very liberating and cool yeah yeah she intentionally stays in she Hulk form that's the that's part of the thing yeah show was gonna say that that's the arc I guess that she'll reach that point eventually um and then they cancelled the show with us no they're not gonna cancel that they'll probably keep it going it's fine I was trying to make a joke for me no I don't I saw wishful thinking saw some complaints about something X but dare I say of the day superchats but what I'll do is I'm gonna collect them as we go as opposed to doing them as we go and then we'll do them all in a big bunch be them Pokedex entries or Yu-Gi-Oh cards or animals of the day all right cuz I will agree with some of the criticisms they have been popping up a lot and it doesn't really make sense anymore to have like 10 animals of the day because you can't you can't do that 10 times supposed to be one time right but the thing is more than one person's wants to do it so what I'll do see is collect them all up and then post all of the like Pokedex ones in the chat that we have so the metal can start grabbing them while I sort out whichever one you know like I said I'll stack them all up at the end and we'll do them all like that because they're getting excessive okay and it's not that they're not appreciated it's just that they're a lot different than answering other questions they they involve are the logistics so we'll have prep and execute it faster and more efficiently so don't think you're being skipped you're being added to a little thing that we'll do at the end all right so the first one was a Pokedex entry from a skip over it and keep it for now on to why are you talking about Spooderman when she hulk is out well we did talk about both of them multi tasking on this about that we're crazy what up toxic brood any of you lovely Jensa fan of the isometric RPG genre e.g disco Elysium Fallout 1 and 2 Baldur's Gate etc also high rags haven't played a lot of I played a little bit of the first fallout I think I need to I want to get back into it at some point and play it properly but it's like it's bit of an adjustment period just because of you know the mechanics and everything but it's I'm interested just I wouldn't call myself an enthusiast just yet hmm I'm not really I can't think of any I've played and loved sort of thing where was it for the fallout games well any isometric RPGs oh shit I need to look up which ones are out there I mean I don't have a ever answer have an answer straight away I think let's see pedals of eternity I think I played that a little bit but not for long I guess only first two fallouts are isometric right three trying to think of someone I played someone stream not too long ago shit was that someone in chat probably knows which one I played recently on stream shit I'm blanking right now I don't I remember okay I played recently I just can't think of the game right now well no one cares you man okay fuck you again pathfinder that's the one see someone cares yeah the pathfinder games that was a long man you were asked to look up the Digimon behemoth and you thought it was a dude on a bike no no the bike is behemoth the dude on the bike is a different Digimon oh the bike is behemoth wonderful excellent good hope you're doing well more like how do you feel about the better call soul finale I think it was fantastic and raised the series to above Breaking Bad I don't know about the second bit but I don't know if it's a hot take either but I would say it's better than Breaking Bad's finale I didn't feel more for it I was super into Breaking Bad's finale but Breaking Bad's finale has a shit ton of contrivances in it I'm fortunate because I really love it but better call souls is a much more dare I call it straightforward and and very much under like the point they made is very clear and it even made me think that the some of the prior episodes had a lot more purpose I don't know that there was a better ending they could really have done and and I enjoyed it I don't have a huge amount to say about better call soul unfortunately I'm like if you guys will like do a stream reviewing it it would probably take me like 10 minutes I would be very relatively simple thoughts ones that I don't think are very very hot takey I guess I'm just not much of the the man for the job when it comes to better call soul I my heart wasn't as in it as have been with other things would have been interested to see what would have happened if we had this sort of all-mountain setup going while Breaking Bad was airing I wonder if we would have covered it because I was all super into Breaking Bad and I was coming out I was super late on Breaking Bad when I watched it was all out already when I finally finished it I liked it a lot I got a today's animal I'll just save them up you guys should watch my hero academia at least the first two episodes to decide whether or not you want to watch it how was it I think it was pretty alright it's been a while but I did enjoy it you hated it that's not what I said you're not less negative way we heard you loud and clear subtext ever I think this season is coming out like I just completely forgot to watch more I don't want I don't know when to watch stuff okay it's too much stuff too much stuff welcome to the brood nuts a muzzle toff that's nice welcome in broody more what effects do you put on your voice commentary for your rages praises critique videos etc voices to make it sound so good I think there's a compressor and an equalizer but I haven't touched them in so long now I don't even know what to tell you about them wait what about the equalizer it's a good movie I'm sure that's not true yeah I don't have anything super complex going on friends set it up at some point I'd have to go and look at it to be able to give you more information but yeah nothing no like special super special filters just they come with most programs if not all programs I think we're recording yeah I mean my my mixer is not has anything special on I just have to think where you hear yourself a little bit so you know it sounds fine and then just because I have to play around with the gain and stuff so it doesn't sound shit she's not using any software or anything that was the question from what I've heard from people I trust and friends is awful and the worst depending on who you ask I wouldn't say it's the worst there's other things it can destroy and it might just do that by the time we reached the end of the season so it's time it's time for the e-fab direct spin-off better call long starring J Wixler Moodle Goodman and Mike Rasspiratory also thoughts on better call soul finale Mollie hey I already took care of that all good yeah is that a woman unbelievable anyway hi to all of you hello Mola next time you do a fart please do it into the microphone I want to hear it and smell it sniff sniff oh yeah don't forget the grunt British fart Shad of versity to all right well that was a simple check please read the Pokedex entries for right I'll save that one as well we've already got five you believe my grungy loving your new souls born like game thymisia now we know what you two can really do also high-rex I think that's a different plague doctor well I know I think it definitely is I'm gonna say you know right you remember that's right if you want a good laugh watch a guy called erod talk about she Hulk he's the ultimate Marvel symphonies excuses as she held her hilarious well I'm sure I've seen plenty of people love it and you know that's fine I just this ain't the same for me for sure there's one of them this was not made for you more blow and I'm like it wasn't made for a Marvel movie show this wasn't made for people with brains definitely oh my god can't believe you hate women that much yeah you must flow sorry meant Fringy autocorrect sucks yeah cuz they said grungy do your best Mike Ermentrout impression also hide dog dog wasn't here today dog so Mike Ermentrout impression he's like no half measures Walter you hear me Walter you can't go a little more gruffness in the voice I'm trying to think of what he even says no half measures Walter yeah that's closer I'm trying to blow it up you and your pride in your ego and your pride and you man yeah let's see Mike quotes I wonder if Mike is good enough oh Mike Tyson no he's a little bit different Mike quartz yeah no kids well there might be quotes on the oh what are the fuck where's where's the one this child killing frig if you guys read that what it's funny as hell if I can find out I'll try to read it it's like a Twitter meme damn it I'm not gonna be able to find this it's too specific oh I think I so are you looking for the full thing well it's not a real quote is a made-up one but it's really funny oh okay okay let me just say if I can find it god this is like the one time I'm like Twitter can you help which I don't recommend anybody ever do these are desperate times oh this could be it please I'm so excited fuck no that's the real quote that's not the meme quote no no because a lot of people make the meme with Mike over and Troward just begins with like here's what you're gonna do you're gonna and then you like describes a bunch of shit that's absurd now like everyone keeps giving me the real quote me one I'll find them I it's a but yeah cuz you go like here's what you're gonna do you're gonna make the same potato salad with miracle whip gonna use it the same as mayonnaise that recipe no more no less you're gonna serve it you're gonna eat it you're not gonna say a goddamn thing it's just like that it's completely made up it just sounds like Michael but trout dialogue hmm all right single female lawyer of all the people listening one of you must know what I'm talking about and if you at me it in the discord that would be useful because it made me I think I sent it to you at some point I'm not sure all right well you know I'll read another thing so we have something else happening while I search for it I'm obsessed a long burn just tweeted she hoax editing is so bad it actually fucks up my editing yeah I could totally understand that happen it yeah mmm it's so bad like that editing is insane they clearly had a longer sin that they chopped up yeah hey more female where's the papa no high rags he is on and holidays of sorts I think he's back literally like in hours from now you'll you'll have the wonderful things to catch up on genuinely he's gonna be so excited don't you worry he'll be big probably next time you'll see him and myself and rain probably Wednesday things go the way I'm hoping they go then yes Wednesday it probably is just crazy single female come shot oh yeah I can provide that right now if you want okay hello lady gentle ladies just finished watching Finding Nemo remember when Pixar was good rat also hi to rags for me oh well I do remember when they were good rat you name always good rat well good fish I guess yeah boot fish boot and fission just finished making my first video last week it was hotter than I thought it would be mad respect lads also high rags nice yeah good stuff I would warn anybody getting into video making it's harder than it looks or maybe I should say it's longer than it looks rather than harder I'm not sure but yeah when you're like I'll just do the visuals five minutes like will you now is that what you're gonna do hey hey metal yeah metal yeah look at this chat look at this chat it's uploadin look at this chat metal the female come shot provider that's me yeah greatest thing to be known on that rewatching Hunter Hunter after years surprised how well it holds up bid ex position heavy but lots of strong writing here therefore a favorite anime of mine I really like Hunter Hunter I think it's pretty great did they know they repeated the same way twice was an accident I think it was an accident sure like oh no we did it for like two seasons and well they were just like just put an axe in the middle not gonna lie that's pretty awkward yeah yeah I found the beam oh nice yeah so the the original quote is the you know that we had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch we had freeing we had a lab we had everything we needed and we're all ran like clockwork so you got that and then someone made a meme vision where he goes we had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch we had child murder in frig we had a lab where freeing randomly brutally murdered one of his most loyal employees for no reason at all we had freeing threatened to kill your infant daughter and it all ran like clockwork but you you and your pride and your ego you just had to blow it up if you'd done your job and don't your place freeing would have killed you and replaced you with cable and it would be fine Mike's is clearly ignored how much like it's been hell for Walt with frig we had a good thing child killing freeing the ring is great what a good villain Gus Frank oh yeah Gus Fringie no one make that we do like the half-faced thing but it's the Fringie mask and then the skull on the other side more how much would one have to donate for your next video to be on Bly Manor I'm afraid that's not possible it's n slash a not applicable so I would like to make something on Bly Manor someday because that show was neat yes that's a weird request for a pokedex entry I guess we'll get to that just finished oh wait hey I got a new one for you guys one piece devil fruit of the week oh my god a fruit that gives you a superpower when eaten but in exchange you lose the ability to swim this one is the gomu gomu no me would you eat this fruit I'm confused it's just Luffy's one it's from the main character the one also well is that the point though that they're asking us what we think about it a fruit that gives you a superpower when eaten but in exchange you lose the ability to swim yeah so he gets to go to a video actually it's been a while since I had any contact with one piece is it just a thing for every person no I don't think it is it's just him so he basically gets rubber body and can extend stuff of his body mr. fantastic but he can't swim rip I guess so well I mean I don't know I get I mean I don't go swimming that often but I wouldn't like I'd like to rate well they are pirates so oh in that case problematic kind of it all things though if you gain like the ability to fly would that just counter the fact you can't swim we just fly through the water or whatever I guess I mean you can just fly over the water well even in the world I feel like the description in that specific chat is also very broad because it's just like you gain a power and it's just like you know I could make that very very I could break that and just say oh well my power is to control all reality I guess I can trade the swimming thing there because I can just have water be breathable at a whim I guess I can live with that I think the thing is in one piece if you like get drowned in water or like go underwater that's that's a problem not the swimming part is the problem I think yeah you just get super weak at least Luffy does I don't know it's been years I don't know could be talking out of my ass here mm-hmm well all right free what's your opinion on crash boom bang um man I did play that game but I don't remember much about it I remember it being I imagine if I played it now I'd consider it to be not very good like it was kind of crash bash but worse and I mean I like crash bash a lot but that game was already fairly inconsistent oh well now partially inconsistent some of the games were inconsistent some of them were really cool the pogo one was that was fun I guess it's just lots of random elements and just like the brawling have any of you guys played crash bash no no no no man you missed that game is fun that was that was actually the first one that wasn't developed by Naughty Dog because I made one through crash team racing and crash bash was what so someone in chat just randomly wrote will you tweak my nipples well oh well getting back to crash bandicoot adventures yeah crash bash was was fun it's like a kind of like the only party crash game and until boom bang which isn't as good yeah all right Morbius an exploration in identity when that could be a fun video to make actually could it or do we think that the meme at this point is uh no like a serious analysis of the plot line and drawing some kind of thing about identity from it playing it straight the whole time the only real appraisal of that film in existence yeah and like there's no hint not even a hint of it being a joke except for the fact that it releases on April 1st like the so that if the video is seen on any other day well any other time it'll just come across as like a legit analysis of Morbius Morbius is important and then important comes on screen seriously it's so generic that style it's so easy to do Morbius asks the question why are we here when is it morbentime I don't see none of that none of that all very serious I don't think I want you to be alive what does it mean to feel emotions that mitts dance is crucial to the schematic content oh well that's okay yeah as long as you say that it's crucial somewhere thematically or in terms of character you can't meme it up though yeah I was like the the one I made it for right so okay there's loads of like very a weird dumbass shit in that I want to make like a legit one for Morbius with that that generic as fuck voice though and pre-simplistic editing grab a normal track I would be fun to do you know what chat bug me enough about that I will consider doing that for April April 1st next year okay because that sounds like I could actually do in like a couple of weeks um what are you watching that new game of thru isn't that out like today but tomorrow shit is it that's that's right it's not fair my main why do I have to watch all the shit I'm really happy I don't give a toss about that I don't need to watch that one as far as I know the people in my spheres who care about it is literally Gary that's it he's gonna care for sure as for whether or not I cares might be dependent on whether or not he cares to have me if he cares to have me care so oh shit I've actually got a message from him about it okay okay I have to look at that absolutely I guess it's got a press on because gamer ferns is one of Warner Brothers Discovery's most important franchises alongside 90-day finance universe I just picture that TV show the 90-day finance show a live show where they help people budget yeah I'd watch it I guess yeah though seriously though like Warner Brothers in terms of like reputation is just scorching right now um geez welcome nuts sir good to have you I recently ranked all MCU movies and shows and determined there are most ten good ones being six or above out of ten top five or seven out of ten plus well fair enough we have we are considering doing a sort of like ranking thing for the anniversary for the current MCU slate we will probably do is abstain from you know voting stuff like Hawkeye and everything yeah I look up Rhino milk and find a documentary naming milking the Rhino made in 2009 well neat hmm hello massives thanks for the inspiration you've given us we finally released our major project a critique of the Nolan Batman films higher eggs oh my all of them including the dark of the night I'm sure it's mainly just a couple of criticisms and then praises that's probably what it is yeah this one's for rags I'll save that how do you hate mongers how do y'all deal with editing burnout I've been working on a video but I've had a hard time finding the energy and desire to edit it unless it's 3 a.m. keep up the good fight high racks oh I guess I could relate to this a little bit because usually I don't the actual work of like editing and getting the footage in and making it all slot in that's usually not difficult for me like as a process mentally it takes a lot of work and a lot of time but usually burnout stems from more broad creative problems rather than I guess doing the work if you get what I mean yeah like how do you how do you work through like what feels like an absence of ideas or that the ideas that you have aren't particularly worthwhile like when you start to doubt like any concept that you could come up with as opposed to I guess editing burnout would be I guess getting tired of doing the work which is I I don't know maybe that's a different problem I guess I don't know go for a walk maybe I don't know. I feel like variety, spicing up the different things you can do in your life is really gonna help reset your boredom levels of editing yeah obviously that's not useful if you need to get something done you're like no I need it now how do I get motivated right now and I just don't know how to answer a question consistently yeah different from everybody. I guess I think it is different because in my case if it needs to be done then it will get done like regardless of how I feel about it like if there was a hard deadline and it needs to get done then it's I don't know I'm not sure how to incorporate advice for burnout with like because I guess in this case it would be that you're probably doing it as like your hobby like you're making videos because that's something you want to do in which case it might be I don't know the more you can break down that task into smaller and smaller tasks and to be able to frame doing those tasks as accomplishments might help so like if your objective in a day is not to get X amount of work done but to rather work for X amount of minutes that's an easier task to like envision and accomplish whereas if you have the task of getting things done that can be a bit that can be a bit harder because sometimes you just have problems when you're working on something right sometimes you can get through a creative problem really easily sometimes it's really difficult and so something that you would dedicate you know like tasks take a different amount of time so if you can think of it more as like I have succeeded simply by doing the work today for a certain amount of time maybe that can start like a positive feedback loop where you feel like you're making progress and then you know if you can sort of snowball that and keep going yeah I think there's a few different things there one if it's if your motivation is limited to 3 a.m. that that could actually be a symptom of ADHD so maybe I get a psychiatrist to do a little assessment there but speaking more broadly there's a few different things you can do firstly trying to streamline your process so that you can do more work in less time is really helpful like when I discovered scene edit detection in Adobe Premiere that might have actually changed my life because instead of having to go scroll through the film find the shot find the place where the cut is manually cut it out I can just right click on the entire film file go scene edit detection and then it goes oh would you like this deposited into a handy little folder as well it's just like oh yeah I would and then Adobe just takes five minutes to just cut up the entire film into its individual shots puts it into a folder for me and then I just have all the footage just broken down for me and that saves me so much time and that allows me to engage with the creative process a little bit more and I further refined it by then taking the shots and breaking them down into scenes so that they load faster so that's another way I've done that so just getting some of those technical headaches out of the way the things that will drag you down that will allow you to do more work while still being able to live a life I guess is a good one another one for me is just you know try to you know let your head down a little bit with the editing like if you think there's going to be a there's a funny joke there or if you think you can experiment with something visually or you have a joke that you want to put in there but you might not know like how to do quite properly you know maybe experiment a little bit look up some tutorials on how to do something within your editing setup look at some other visual stuff and just experiment a little bit I know with this multiverse of madness one like I a large way I stayed engaged was I was I was just trying some new joke some new jokes by learning some new VFX techniques to do some visual gags and that that kept me very energized or they have to look forward to yeah yeah so that would be my my advice for that sort of thing I am it's kind of weird and possibly not healthy advice but if I got bored with visual editing I'd be like alright can I do some recording and let's say did an hour recording I'm like oh I'm really losing my thing on this like alright time to stop and then I'll just stop processing audio as I get too boring as I can I go back to visual editing and maybe my autumn on visual editing has refreshed now since that because I've been doing other things and my body has processed it in that way it's like a kind of a cheat code to reboot but while tricking about because dare I call it voice acting feels like a very different operation than searching for visuals to visual edit right so it's like this is just well documented to be helpful it's switching tasks when one task involves one I guess aspect of your mind and then you switch to another one like it's just a refresh well if I couldn't do it that way this video never would have been made in time this has been non stop for the past like two months and my god you know it's not exactly a secret it's a it's days away from finally getting out it's fucking large fat video it is fat lots of yeah scenes in it almost six hours it is it is getting to the absurd level of being like you would if you want to watch this video live you might have to book the day off work why do you make such long videos what's wrong with you yeah man the last time that you touched grass I I've got some of that I've got a grass and a little like a plant pot that I keep on my desk so I can touch it whenever that's cheating yeah the actually speaking of advice there's one thing I forgot to mention which is kind of related which is take breaks do take breaks like I couldn't you know get through like give yourself if you need to what's helpful is instead of just trying to churn out as much as your body will physically give you know just give yourself like little little little goals like maybe you put in all the essential clips first like if you like the because sometimes I do things a bit nonlinearly so sometimes I'll just slot in all the essential clips that I know I need first and then I might just watch an episode of something as a reward for that and then I might fill in the gaps between the essential clips and then I will go and have dinner or I'll go and give myself a snack or I'm hungry right now I can only think of food related reward systems at the moment but or I'll play a bit of a game or I'll go outside and see the sun and touch the grass under my feet you know just just just variety in your life in general is going to mean you will hate editing a lot less that's a good one I don't know if you have a girlfriend maybe have sex with them if after a certain amount of time or something I don't know I don't know what do you people what do you women do well yeah I think unless of course unless of course that's cage time for the girlfriend in which case keep her in there you don't want to have that's true that's true better call souls existence really contextualizes why most Marvel stuff is less than a four out of ten all right well that's a gross over-exaggeration if you're talking about phase four but yeah there was a because I've been keeping up a vertical soul there was definitely a sense of you put that on and it's like you know it's like okay we've been serious and we're actually telling a story now it's like you're right yeah yeah you sit down like okay it's not like you know Thor Loven Thunder we are just like what is this what have you done what is happening someone wants me to draw attention to the Gustavo Fringy memes in the chat they wanted to put them on the screen yeah they wanted they wanted to one of them to be shown for the for the world to see one of these portrays him as looking like he's dead I don't appreciate this okay Fringy's alive and well there's ridiculous what we call fake news other streamers like Gary Adam and sitch read Super Chat values you guys don't got any thoughts on it it comes up every once in a while but it's to do with the sort of the sense of rewarding a viewer for their money amounts you want to try to avoid that fuck I was telling me about this I watched the documentary anybody who watches the real BBC will know why I did this like my homework I don't want seduced it's a four-part documentary about the Nixxiom cult my god I guess I knew this already but humans are so susceptible to manipulation like it's terrible it's so easy and so like it gets so bad the point we can get people to do all kinds of things if you do the right things in the right places and yeah cults can form so easily as well and cult mindsets and so we we'd eFap like to you know entertain and we like to make sure you guys are doing alright and we'd like to inspire but at the same time that needs to be like a separation I want it to be clear that we are not your friends as much as that may seem harsh and I think part of it to make sure that's clear is that money that's used to support the work to see more of it I think it's better if we don't like be like our person who gave in 10 you're pretty cool because we gave in 20 or even cool person give it 50 while you're the better 100 because then it'll make people feel like oh if I want to get more sort of appreciation from the cast I just have to give them all money which feels a little bit gross on our end in a lot of ways so I'd rather run gun for the the substance which is you send in a message you want the message answered we will read it and we will answer it and there's no there's like a prestige that comes with the money amount being read or the name even being read and by the way I don't consider it immoral to do that it's just not something that I would want to do for example if Fringy was to stream on his own or if rags were to and they they opt for it that's totally fine but it's not something that I have a preference for and so if I was kind of ended up that way yeah I'm kind of in the same place I just don't want people to feel like if they couldn't give money to support the show then they're not with as much as other people or whatever it's like no it's all good everybody we really appreciate all forms of support fucking indeed thank you all incredibly trust me it's the it's all this stuff none of it would have happened anywhere near as the way that it is without you guys also you excited for any new media there's a couple of games right that's I on life looks cool just a roland's game like you're in space and you have talking guns like that that looks cool one of the guns sounds just like Morty and then a fan of the three looks cool what else is there well I Ragnarok I think the metal will be very much bored of that one yes I mean yeah if I can play it at some point remind me is that coming out on PS5 and for just five I don't want to play it on for I don't trust it I'm the only X Spider-Man 2 I think is like the only one that's on my radar me oh Ragnarok I thought they said this year no it's all upcoming yeah I guess yeah we'll see about that one yeah I'm sure I'm looking at in terms of movies right now scorn that's like an horror FPS or something that's coming out yeah that's a protocol both things we got our eye on three yes blue turn three is coming out so and that's gonna be cool well lots of video yeah they movies I'd have to be reminded if there's anything I'm actually I care about I can't think of obviously we're all hyper excited for the next content from Star Wars or Marvel yeah the next month it's just for black Adam you know I'm shit Adam yeah of what no I mean Dwayne Johnson looks amazing the black out of DC Universe yeah we'll revolve around the villain of Shazam because the only silver lining of that film is that he was being tossed up between two characters at one point I'm pretty sure which was black Adam and the John Stuart Green Lantern and I'm very glad that he got black Adam rather than John Stuart I don't know maybe I'm leaning into the meta but like personally I find it really odd and kind of lame that because black Adam is being played by Dwayne Johnson we're probably gonna end up with this weird warped DC Universe where black Adam is like one of the more important players in this world the expense of other characters I would prefer to see so maybe I would have preferred if he was John Stuart because that would like at the very least if you had like a I would be much happier with a DC Universe that revolved more around Green Lanterns than black Adam specifically that meta seeking and hope maybe black Adam will fail and then we don't have to worry about yeah I can definitely see that perspective I think my I think my my my perspective was definitely more informed by like the whole like I don't think he's that good an actor so I don't really want to blame either but if I had to make the choice yeah yeah like he's alright I don't know him playing somebody who's meant to be much more cold and callous though yeah as a role that he would typically play and again the marketing stick just doesn't work I'm edgy and I kill people not like other superheroes even though like Iron Man punched a dude so hard that he went flying into a wall in this first movie yeah really started off with Superman neck snaps and yeah yeah and thinking about phase one it's like Cap Iron Man and Thor they all kill people so it's Hulk and of course Avengers yeah Black Widow and Hawkeye yeah they all kill people Spider-Man is quite unique yeah it's not the door I guess they thought Spider-Man and Batman is like oh well that's the door even though their Batman is not whatever I saw toys of him in supermarkets of course they do he's cool he brands people whoo apparently the peacemaker show insists he doesn't kill people which is like what universe are you in I don't know that turns in their mind when he when he punched that guy's head into the floor I felt like he died probably well he shot a bullet into a gas canister and the result was emulation of that guy's fine that guy's fine the one that he landed his car on top of he's also fine you even see it run through his head that's fine he's fine or like the people in the car that he shredded with machine gun bullets and then smashed through remember that or that guy who we covered responding to Jay's video live where he was like getting so fucking furious a jay being critical of Snyder's way so angry like ah what a they're a strange breed the Snides this needs this needs needs she Hulk is basically in name only she's absolutely nothing like a comic character if anything she's a complete opposite that's what I really unfortunate salutations Lord Longbone of Mewsington Abbey and hello good boy Waxies no Kong faps to chat today my dog Sonny has reached her end she's a loyal friend been very hard can I get some well wishes and condolences for a good girl oh that is really hard yeah never easy when a loyal loving pet asses away hope you're doing okay of course and rest in peace to a good dog oh yeah one one must imagine Sisyphus happy happy to push the ball that to continue you mean I thought there was it wasn't damn I'm forgetting the philosophy someone in shadow know there was a philosopher who said like he talked about Sisyphus and I think he said like I don't know smiling through it you have to keep fighting something the absurdity of life you just got a smile on the face but someone in shadow know hopefully this is the first livestream was able to catch and enjoy all hail the eFap crew drinker as Gary and the other great minds guiding us through the sea of awful factory slurge long live continuity character and plot ah yeah I mean if you nail all of those I feel like you'll be okay no matter what story Italian yeah glad you enjoyed thank you very much wings quote of the day I ain't got nothing to life I'm washed up man bonus I'm texting my FBI agent about trolls right now like have an FBI agent like you don't have one yeah it's the problem with the MCU is it's a boring series where nothing interesting happens and I say the problems are so much worse than that the only response I get is oh those problems are not important I really don't done for the whole boring thing with anything they've done so far in fact I would argue that the motivation to be not boring is what helps kill it I believe so too when your fans say you're wrong about this they hate it when you say I don't care about this they see this you're saying I'm allowed to be wrong on this I'm trying to think of a context where they have someone said you you had a bad opinion on blah blah blah then you say I don't care about it I mean they could take that from it but I guess what that person saying is they don't care to find out if they're right or wrong on it which you know it can happen you can be people who just don't want to deal with the particular subject guest up the little platoon please they are certainly the next big thing in long and I think they and Jay would be superb together the little platoon I have never hoided them but I you know it's always nice to have a fellow long on the on the stroom if that movies Charlie's Angels don't want a new one or the older one all do you could be like a triple feature like all the versions yeah maybe how about covering Hawkeye for Christmas it is a Christmas themed show after all it's got solid character work and doesn't have willed ending stakes so fun enough if we're gonna try and cover one we've missed it's probably gonna be moon night I've seen a lot of people are very upset the moon night got shelved and I can see there's a chance as time goes on that I will find time to be able to rewatch it all and get all the notes ready because I guess Fringing Rags wouldn't really need to rewatch it if they had me as the sort of reference machine and then of course we can we can have on a couple of guests if they would be on board with doing it and it would be out of think a little bit timeline wise but I've just out of all the things we missed moon night seems to be the one a lot of people are very upset that we missed I was like oh dear oh dear so if we're gonna try and recover one it'll probably be that it also because it means I don't have to force Fringing Rags to see another show technically they don't have to rewatch moon night that's cheating it's not allowed what what is the best media that's come out since EFAP started my pick would be arcane my Fringy hmm the Joker and the father would be my picks I think I yeah I was about to say those two those were those were good shit it was really good shit I love arcane a lot but I don't think it can match up to the the tightness of the others which to be fair it's harder for them to do arcane to do that arcane is way more variables but oh of course Bly Manor is another that I fucking adore it as well oh you're right I thought we're just movies so yeah by course they said they said media I think yeah that's media okay well so blaze wow um I imagine Fringy would agree with these choices I'm not sure if you would maybe suggest the video games when did theoretically start 2018 well I guess I got a war still in there then yeah that's actually a good question did I stream my playthrough of God of War 2018 before after EFAP has started I can't remember a chat you tell me was wait when do you know the release date for God of War because obviously EFAP started August 22nd 2018 the God of War 28 quick chat answer only with nipple confuse him there will be April 2018 there's before EFAP oh damn well guess guess that's out interesting good job meme they're all writing nipple can you believe it oh I shouldn't have such power but I do there was a time where if it wasn't a thing unbelievable we even today today it was not it makes me so sad thinking about how we lost on getting an MCU she Hulk who could have been endearing humble and quirky character like a comic counterpart instead we get this super entitled dick yeah hey maybe she'll come around as the episodes go on I doubt it but hey maybe what is the best media where there's a panel of sensational she Hulk where she's changing and she gets the artist to enlarge the spaces between panels to form a censorship bar yeah apparently there's lots of ways she fucks with the comics as you read them which is pretty cool so yeah I don't know if they'll do that with a TV show doubtful but it'll be really neat if they did no if Cap was just doing ops for the years then that just speaks to massive PTSD and not being able to cope with the modern world but yeah lol virgin I guess that the joke was weird it's weird both ends of the joke good luck with that have fun I guess the men should have said hello there in Kenobi voice by the way she totally murdered those dudes she almost did the Hulk saved them a true hero because she couldn't handle her emotions that's what that scene told us hot one the doctor doom origin was better where he held Jen hostage and forced Hulk to attack the UN and took his blood for super soldiers after the fantastic ultimate argument after the fantastic force stops Hulk and saves Jen she was shot Hulk has to make the choice of saving her or not intro to fantastic four and doom in the MCU yeah they could do that they probably won't change that they've not now I guess that's over that all that opportunities come and gone I'm going to frighten you guys I just remembered that she Hulk was once part of the fantastic four at one point so what if they just shoehorn her into that franchise as well maybe she creates the fantastic four in a lab herself and then he's like you guys can be called the fantastic four that'll be really good right help help send help call the police I can't catch episode 200 live by rags all don't you work they'll get reuploaded surprise you don't think that it's probably Iron Man's mask I didn't think it was Iron Man's mask because it looks like Ultron's the scarring Ultron hat on his first mask from memory it almost fitted exactly my head it's the one that got like sprayed with acid or something in the beginning of Age of Ultron it looks just like that one but I guess it could be an Iron Man mask pretty sure it's an Ultron one that's what I thought yeah are you guys working on a project together where you poo poo on like 10 super popular movies that are actually bad i.e. the Dark Knight and Interstellar I hear y'all's whispered talks about it no we've been working on Multivis madness that's not a secret at this point and I don't think it's the secret who's worked on it so it'd be myself Fringy meme Goga and Jay each have provided portions because it would be hard to exactly specify how much of everybody's in there but you'll probably notice certain things you'll notice memes memes and edits in vain you'll notice references to the Simpsons that could be from anybody got some I think I was about to say there's some come in there but then I was like oh well that could be me more Jay so you can't really be sure of that I know you cut my come remember I cut the one of the comes yes there's not all of the come that's true I think Jay put a secret come in there as well it's a lot more hidden than your come that's true that's true mine was a little less subtle I gotta upload that to like the third channel or something at some point so yeah there's this flat that seriously guys it's a fucking it six hours pretty much of just me complaining about a movie it's one movie that's how bad it was literally the one time you had a good chance to some Nick Riketer as a guest and you blew it mueslington you blew it we got how many episodes does she hold are they like a million so we'll be fine I'll I'll totally grab up Nick if he wants to the thing is there was no law in this episode so maybe we better to wait until we have an actual case yeah maybe we'll have an episode where they mention a law and then we'll have Nick on or even just recognize the difference between federal and state laws oh remember the book of a shanty will be referenced as a yeah you know it's funny we in the in the podcast we did on Dr. Strange we all agree they're never gonna bring up the book of a shanty again I guess we were wrong that's what I mean that doesn't make sense that's what I the non-existent book yeah we are wrong but at the same time what the hell are they bringing it up for there it's so weird by the book of a shanty I don't book it's been but what is generous in brain disease because he's speaking like a fucking well he did remember how would he fell so you had several times he's had on the car remember oh yeah maybe this is maybe we're seeing consequence catching up like I'm the solcrice a prupreme so sorry scene like long long no end games the one that ruined this opportunity but wouldn't it have been cool if we still had the Hulk alter ego and we see him react to having a family member who is like him what it's funny like we haven't talked about all the missed stuff you have with that because that's like downstream of all the other stuff they've missed you know like they've made this all the extended branches of the whole tree that they didn't plant because they they make decisions that are baffling yeah like we haven't talked on like all the various Hulk personalities that are like locked in there that they're never gonna use or that they do use it'll be really really retarded like I can only imagine how they would do Joe fix it for example official rule a woman cannot be saved by a man or mentored by a man ask Robert Meyer Burnett he found the rules in the Discovery writers room if that's true I fucking hate that as restriction because that are just that make it so that you have a lot of story potential that is impossible to explore this genuinely has nothing to do with the men or women when I say this but I'd be like guys you have created a world where many of the veteran heroes are male therefore new heroes if they are going to be mentored by anyone very likely going to be male characters and that's okay it is okay for Doctor Strange to teach America how to use her power that is okay no no no no I tried mentor more like I hope that's not an actual restriction that they have in the model Ryan room that would suck Jen doesn't even change with anger she changes when she's confident I mean I guess we'll find out more cuz yeah I don't I don't know I don't know exactly what they're gonna say the rule it by the judging for the end of the show it looked like she just turns it on and off whenever she wants I thought that was the idea I don't know being a female lawyer in the first world is a life threatening job don't you know apparently see how women suffer being rudely complimented for looks working with imperfect co-workers cut to male slash female self-delete and homelessness rates yeah let's not let's not we don't even do that cat-calling you see an epidemic and it's good now that more and more people know about it I don't know how I would react to being cat-called like oh all right you do you presumably build a guy I think it would depend on the cat-caller for me if it was a hyper super duper hot but super old man what do you would say hmm well I would I would take the flattery even if I had no interest or if it was like in an alleyway I would just like be walking very very fast you know the context location is very important for these things I've been cat-called I know exactly how to control my anger my mother was beaten to death in front of me by my father and I tried to put a bullet in my mouth and I spat it out what were you saying about control again this is this is the discourse this is all around the internet unfortunately I don't know why they would have expected anything else maybe this is what they expected or hopeful you know I don't know I wonder how she'll interact with thunderbolt Ross isn't he he's gonna be recast now right gotta be very sorry thunderbolt Ross is is general Ross right yeah cuz William had passed away last year or was it this year I guess it's this year yeah I don't I don't know how they're gonna deal with that because Ross is quite an important figure in the world like they're literally got a movie coming up called the Thunderbolts so well he doesn't technically you wouldn't have to be on screen at any moment right have other characters delegating but you'd think they'd recast I don't know though you'd hope so banner with great power comes great responsibility she helped no thanks emo kid also scratches for the good gym and more Mario Cart Fringy yeah I've been playing it all morning I guess they they're saying stream more of it even one someone just said Sam Elliott is dead no that was the other one that was Ross in the Eric Banner Hulk movie we're talking about the MCU one I think Kevin and Disney are delusional and think they're leading some virtuous movement against other IPs meanwhile Zaslav made his own snap yeah he did off to see how that all turns out little pissing producers medical soul ended two days before this what I drop in quality anyone what did you think about be medical soul ending and the ending to the BB universe I guess you yeah I guess that's an ending to the but we didn't because Aaron Paul said that is his last time playing Jesse is there even a need to announce that I don't know I guess it's kind of funny that we're in the world where that doesn't need to be announced I guess so is there like so there's not gonna be a show called Jesse Jesse yeah if you want to know my thoughts on medical soul it was at the beginning ish of the super chat section don't end up doing that again and again you know Hulk is stronger the angrier he gets so they nerfed him by having him find in a piece I don't think they cared to even make that line up they just have nerfed him in general yeah so much smaller than he used to be is way smaller just again you just compare them in the first in the incredible Hulk enormous and look at how big abomination is in our when you see him in that are that clip he's huge yeah he's way bigger than Bruce is they're about the same size and that's the thing I think they'll just if they need him to be bigger they'll just make him bigger yeah cuz remember an endgame right like it they have passed Hulk for scale and they're the same size even though it's pretty fucking clear that there should be a size differential there right yeah I remember what you're saying like the the raging Hulk is around yeah classic boy mmm destroy the bar Tony Stark built but then have she hope rebuild it subtle messaging there Disney I don't know about that I just felt rude yeah that's all I got that was fucking don't establish he helped build it the destroyer this is a dick move spider-man had a great word on that if you're in a position to help and you have the power but you don't you're also to blame for whatever happens um that is just part of what spider-man believes you know there's plenty of arguments to be had about the specific circumstances for all the ways I could apply but it does seem like that's what Bruce is getting at and we don't get to talk about it instead she just goes is that from a comic laugh my ass off in the bow imagine Hulk one shot she Hulk as soon as the bar got destroyed because he actually got angry then dismissed her she dwell on maybe how she was wrong oh dude I make it make anything else happen that's more interesting please no we don't like it I love that right Bruce has lost Tony Stark how does he feel about that we didn't even okay is we do another stuff he's a side character in someone else's show she's like okay fine so lame how is she dealing with becoming a Hulk so well the fact that it happened at all should be a huge deal strange writing choices for first episode she's taken it very well very very well she likes it it's kind of the point we're getting to in it opinion on Southpaw and SK defending the scene where Jen berates Bruce and saying the scene after it redeems it I think I've seen a lot of people say that it's one of the things we went over it's a relatively common opinion I guess at this point but like I said I feel that it makes it worse I think my biggest definitive issue in terms of a contradiction of the scene is the Jen should understand his history better than pretty much anyone on earth except maybe an Avenger at least one of the originals the reason why she doesn't is probably because the writers themselves may well be unfamiliar with the details of his history if she were the kind of person that I believe the show wants her to be you know like a good hearted person she should know the kind of damage he's dealing by sort of that ranch she gives and how like inappropriate it is and how much more cared Bruce deserves than what she gave and you know I'm willing for the show to have him have him hear stuff like that and fight back but we didn't even get that we mainly got yeah and it's really disappointing and it just reminds me what they've done to the Hulk as a character and then obviously what I'm reminded of about these sort of new characters they bring in yeah but something something else they could have done is that she starts going down that rant and then like she has that moment of like that self-aware moment of oh fuck who I just remembered who I'm talking to this is actually really banal shit compared to that like there could have been like a I have my own issues that I'm venting right now but now but I just room but now I'm kind of you know sometimes when you're saying things but you don't you don't quite compute who you're talking to and then you just have that moment like oh I should actually just reassess what I'm doing at the moment that could have been something but fuck nope not even that because like I because I'd want to reset all this I'd be like why wouldn't the first episode be a day in the life and we have it be stressful as fuck the lawyer life you know you got constant calls messages and cases to juggle at the same time you went in and out of court she's got to see all kinds of people maybe she's got a really tough home life as well and then maybe she's taking care of Bruce because of his arm and some other stuff and so you get it's involved and just show the weight she's got on her shoulders and we can still have that scene of her kind of snapping but then realizing that even with everything she's going through think of what he's gone through and he's like oh it's so fucking awkward that she's looking at a man and his wound from having saved half of the universe how is this not how is this not on your mind when you when you're a dick to him I don't know I highly encourage watching Hawkeye episode 2 whilst flawed it shows some of the good character work in the show episodes 1 and 6 were easily the weakest all right yeah one was weak that's for sure I kind of it's interesting that nobody's been recommending Miss Marvel to us a couple of people said to watch Hawkeyes yeah I'm guessing no one either no one saw this Marvel or no one thought it was good I can't see the most show exists yeah the most I've heard from Miss Marvel outside of the mutant stuff is that it might be okay but I don't have any like way to verify that I haven't I've literally heard no details so I or at least I heard like the first couple of episodes were decent and then it shat the bed or so basically Disney plus then okay usually it starts out well I mean it depends on your definition of starts out okay but it usually deteriorates yes and pretty much unanimously the finales have been bad like really bad bad enough that people recognize them as being bad broadly mm-hmm but they keep coming back for more yeah which is the important part is always more look up the She-Hulk Benny Hills sketch it's great I will put that on my big old possibly maybe pile for for later little notes the commie moments in these films don't fit the scenes in context with the characters it's cringed unwatchable and it hits you like a grazed nut sack ow I don't like that it can be grazed with like a pillow I guess you wouldn't call that grazed you just call that something nicer you know I've tried to suffer that you heard your baby's saber-tooth musings in 154 catch up bring it was a year ago that we did that believe it really all year as a paleontologist I could tell you all about that stuff if you so desire we've had a couple of offers of that we even had a I think comments on the re-upload there was like paragraphs and paragraphs going over how the whole fight would run out we just we just said like okay okay it's the bear the bear wins I think that was the conclusion right now we got another of the day and grab them up complaining to Hulk about having a hard life it's like complaining about your disability to Matt Murdock if she stubbed her toe also high not rags yeah it just feels like they may have been so busy sort of having a deliver the dialogue they wanted they forgot who she was talking to that's how it feels then again that following scene it makes you feel like oh they did know then why the fuck did they write it this way fuck the old characters that's why fuck him here's one to add to your pile versus match of the day Jinx versus green goblin lol slash arcane versus Raimi trilogy MCU full arsenals included for both fighters if we're going Jinx pre shimmer shimmer loses yeah if she's going post shimmer I think she wins she's got like super speed strength and all kinds of weapons big advantage she has I'm not sure the green guy remember she's even got the hyper powerful like the hextech shit as well I'm not sure the green garbans gonna be able to put up with that so there you go to the pain I must draw attention to the pain I have just injected into the chat was it so does green goblin green goblin doesn't have super speed oh what is this hey it's been interesting that the defensive response a lot of people have had to defend Jen's dialogue is that she's just talking about women's issues she's not trying to say it in comparison when she's very much talking about the comparison she explicitly she makes it that's the big I honestly wonder how much that would have gone on if they didn't have that one line if it was if it was without that and then of course we could go as far as saying editing the whole speech but remove the one part where she says more than you I wonder how much better it would have gone over I think that might have been the big mistake as anyone seen Ali McBeal in recent memory the show doesn't seem like that all the she held comics so far if you like Ali McBeal is primarily about law despite all the sex relationship stuff I watched the entire show when I was super young to the point where I'm pretty sure I saw it before so Buffy and Angel and I didn't absorb like any of it memory wise when did I feel come out like light 90s 2000s I think 97 also would have been around the same time well I can tell you which one I enjoyed more shocking I know what's crazy though I think if I were to watch that show I would get a really weird experience because it would be like things that would trigger really really old memories because I haven't seen that show at all since that era of my life for example I remember one of the main characters in that show is one of the main characters in the mr. Bean movie one of the mr. Bean movies anyway the one where he destroys the painting it's like a very eat a McNichol yeah I don't know that he's in like literally anything else but Lucy losing it right I think she is yeah be interesting to check out again someday look up the gen 8 fossil right we'll put that in our a lot of them where's the worst character assassination you've seen I'd say for my money it sins past the spider-man comic it ruined Gwen and damaged MJ well they undid that one I think pretty recently so yeah that's that one's up there wonder probably I don't know that we've ever seen anything worse than that yeah wonders like the it's so hard because there's just so many examples of character assassination to just really sift through but my gut is saying wonder too like we can't understate she goes on a fucking killing rampage oh yeah it some people say like like Danny Joel and Luke so for Luke again it's like well it's you know all of these are bad there are degrees but like wonder is literally annihilating scores of humans in order to hang out with people who aren't related to her at all you know I mean like Daenerys burned a bunch of people while attacking a city in the middle of a war that was out of character complete assassination but there's more there Luke got real sad because he's shit and then Joel got old and stupid you know I mean like there's these they have lines of logic as flimsy as they are but like with wonders like they were really pushing that to the point we're behind the scene stuff they're like you know what wonder she wanted this and they stood in her way you know they they they they they really brought it on themselves in some ways no no like wonder the wonders assassination is sort of like this is kind of like the cartoon version of character assassination we you would bring out as like an extreme hypothetical or just like an example like in a very broad textbook sense but now it just it's there that's what they chose to do is what you think when you're really like catastrophizing for what character assassination can be that's what you got well so if you want to go by like greatest impact from where they stood previous like where they stood to where they are now it could be Luke yeah like there might be more lost with Luke given the franchise some and I get implications there but yeah I could understand she was in Luke then yeah but I recently convinced my cousin to give evap a shot he watched 147 and found it hilarious please welcome Colton to the toxic brood hi Colton hi hi Coley I'm gonna call you Coley what was a what was evap 1 4 set 147 would have been like just before an anniversary to so what was what was being said what was being covered let us find out it was oh Hassan pika versus JX he was such an atom yeah those those are fan favorites the Hassan coverage ones God I have a feeling the the twitch trio that's gonna be voted like the favorite arc of this year the recent year anyway the the are relevant Denim's Hassan adventure yeah it was wild it was so wild I rented about that for like 45 minutes on my own we're gonna normal stream we've been existing over on YouTube happily playing by the rules meanwhile these fuckers you far big people for their content anyway you do do what you bring me she Hulk pain only pain be right back this super chat would all of you do me a solid and call my friend bow mean names of some kind I like the idea of sending him an audio clip of it all right I'll go fist oh you're a you're idiot know that you yours you're stupid your stupid head bow down with bow I was the harshest I could go all right oh you have penis breath and I don't like you very much damn bring where we go for bow um I don't know I don't know if I can bring it like I don't know if I have it in me to be mean to just I'm you know I don't know I'll say something to bow bow more like bow tie oh yeah damn dude oh there you took the high road I would have gone boner but you know I am I am a less evolved person well there you go roasted newtza was great I hope you get her on more maybe you'll eventually mcu efap to have two female hosts for every one male host oh well that would be neat more women in efap hashtag hi beautiful people if that movie suggestion it's called dr. jackal and mrs. Hyde so bad it's good 95 Sean Young comedy check it out hi rags a rock he would have said hi back I've never heard of that dr. jackal I think I have actually yeah I don't think I've seen it though um hey guys who'd you mention after life a while back and decided to give it a watch I loved it and was wondering what you thought of each season um well I like the first two and I don't like the third one I was very happy with the first season I was like pretty much happy like fully with the second season there's something that happens in that one I thought was a good way to go story-wise a third season felt like it really dragged and he didn't know what he was doing and he just didn't quite want to end it because it was that might have been one of the most cost-effective tv shows ever made it would have been Ricky Gervais a team that can film about like six locations in a little town we would have rented out like just a couple of days to do it he wrote it himself edited it himself I imagine that budget would be pretty damn low compared to how much money it would have made um and I think that's why it kept going past what he necessarily intended as an ending I don't think he knew what his ending was going to be when he first made that and I don't think so settled for being a little bit ambiguous at the end of the first season second season is a progression that could easily have ended the show and then the third season it sort of keeps going and then he does that again at the end just like all right it's ended this time I don't know what it was but I thought it was funny as fuck in the first season and kind of the second season but the third season the jokes got really awkward really fast it was kind of just like he lost interest in making it yeah um you hey did you guys know that luke in return of the jai was boring also the worst thing about prey is the criticism and these are both rlm quotes yeah they say weird stuff I don't know do the morbious video to expose matheme people oh the april fools one um expose the matheme people I think the as soon as they find out I'm the one who those people who thought the fucking rise of skywalker one was legit uh I can't remember which reddit thread it was but there were some people being like you know he makes some good points to be fair in this one and what a shock considering it's like the only one he's actually edited properly and what they're referring to is the fact that it's under an hour because that's what editing is um no it's not so if I made one like that for mobius they probably would be a couple people being like you make some good points in here you know um here's a potential thing of the day all right we have to keep that for the thing of the day readings just stop doing things of the day as soon as more than one person does it it's just wasting time we don't need 10 pokemon of the day in one stream I mean it's true but at the same time you know what about 10 soups of the day try to try to get through everyone's massages you know it's just that yeah if everyone sent in pokemon of the day we probably have to do something I'm not sure what it would be though or we just be like all right no more pokemon of the day uh transformer fuck me of the day forgot to mention last time sot is on game pass sot what is sot see if thieves uh yeah could be well they're talking game pass probably also fun fact witcher three is Charles dance's first video game role in the elder speeches based on Welsh hey that is reason enough for me to play it I think oh boy you have officially been uninvited to e-chats birthday oh this is regarding me saying we're not friends very current non-friends still come to birthdays you know there's a plus one I was about to say yeah another thing I appreciate about classic simpsons is how they handled celebrity cameos they felt just as vulnerable to jokes as the rest of the town um all I know is that the Lady Gaga episode is considered one of the worst simpsons episodes ever right yeah I hear that yeah that's why I'm almost sitting I watched it back in the day but I completely forgotten that now it's wiped um yeah just 22 minutes of hyping up Lady Gaga and everyone just going Gaga for Lady Gaga it's very strange hmm but uh classic simpsons is indeed god dear have you tried mpchc it's a lightweight alt to vlc it handles x265 better I have not I am I have I'm not updated on the newest things that people should have on their PCs to be honest going with vlc for the past like 15 years or something this is reliable but um yeah maybe mpchc is even better um got another Pokemon one thoughts on the fly dot other films where protag ends up villain uh you asking us for what films have a protagonist that ends up being the villain I mean there's not many no not many at all I'm trying to think what even off top my head because uh maybe this is prompted by talking about breaking bad I've been um falling down that's fair yeah the prestige yeah I think that's damn I didn't even think about that yeah the shining yeah that's fair american psycho oh yeah joker fucking hell apparently my brain just blanked on this concept many tarantino films as well man of steel through well there you go chat suggested oh yeah revenge of the steath of course yeah oh yeah of course death note that's not a movie but still she oh throws pokeball summons fbi agent gun type oh no moly you should check out the metal songs in mgr um yeah that's probably a good shout actually do do do will you do a full breakdown of top gun and maverick probably not uh fringy's the only one that's seen maverick I think I'm going to see top gun on the three of us so it's a little disjointed and neither of me or fringy a passionate about either of those yeah I hate how generic ending music of soul gone well it was oh um I have to listen to it again I'm not sure I I soaked that in per se uh six hour rage video I can't wait to see it also in topic of reading names of people who super chats it always amuses me when english speakers try to pronounce my name oh jeez um I think rags are some familiarity with like russian right so he might be able to pronounce it but I'll give it a shot uh oh my round yes shisk that's the best I'm not even gonna bother attempting that um ronies ronies jess excuse that sounds pretty good perfect um unless that wasn't oh because the name of the profile is Bartholomew Misha Misha maybe I'm not sure I tried to have it cw cancel shows like batwoman and etc uh disney mcu don't worry we'll take care of all that releases she hulk and soon iron heart aka somewhat acw batwoman oh maybe that could be the maybe fun why not what's iron heart getting is it a tv show yeah well fun fun fun ahoy faps I heard your critiques of prey and raise you this a smug gif of someone looking frustrated at you bet you feel pretty debunked now huh you you got us you fucking got us well um seems to me there's not we were probably the most in favor of defending prey when it came down to the discourse sort of settling on that film I still feel like we highlighted a lot what was working and what wasn't in we we talked about it for was it seven hours eight hours it was a long boy the super chat of the day is this one right here nice I'm pretty well heightened in the stream but is Jen seriously not wearing tights with their heels does she hate being comfortable yes I guess so I don't know women's clothing why why would I why shouldn't she just wear wellingtons that'd be the that's the best way for a lawyer to dress isn't it she should wear hulk crocs yeah more it was a stage in my life where I had trouble sleeping due to health problems in your videos were my best bedside friend thanks oh that's excellent to hear that I could help help with sleeping problems um that's the one thing I regret in my videos if I have like payoffs that are sudden loudish sounds when people have like my voice for sleep aid or whatever I'm just like oh I hope that doesn't fuck it up there's a couple of jokes like that in the new video underrated non-dc and Marvel superhero flick mystery man who has seen that I don't think I've heard about it I have that's a bizarre movie that's pretty fun I do recommend it especially with everything that's come out nowadays get some fun I don't think you're mad man no then I haven't heard this one mystery man is a crazy film with it's just a bunch of like not really superheroes superheroes that team up to try and take out the bad guy it's all very fun and comic book-y almost there I say today's day of the day is thursday oh how about that uh for your information I am Groot is bad bad writing and animation oh oh that's a shame I didn't even know that was out yet well did I did I know that was out that yet wow seems like you didn't apparently okay I'm trying to keep everything in track I noticed something when you were going over the air horn wake-up scene in one shot of the whole room you can see the bed Bruce Hulk is sitting on and there's zero depression maybe it's made of steel the real hard bed so that he can he can support his weight that must be it if you ever do a charity stream you should call it pause for a cause or objectivity without borders hmm pause for a cause I can see that you could even intertwine pause for for like like a little you know animal hands you know them get a pause all righty I suppose it's time to do the of the days oh my um what I'll do is find all the pokedex ones and post them so you can gradually get them going if you want mr metal okay um but we'll start on my end with the animal of the day which is the osa osa all righty and so look at this guy oh he's he's he's unique a little look see let's take a lookie lookie oh yeah yeah it's kind of like it couldn't decide between being a dingo and a kangaroo or a monkey so it shows me yeah it does feel like the sliders were pushed in different directions from some animals I recognize it's like uh I made my own what dad it's like yeah he looks pretty cool oh someone said ugly that's all right hey mean yeah you wouldn't like it if someone called you ugly true um you what else we got here I'm only a bug of the day the Dracula forest the giraffe oh is it yellow no he's red and black he's he's pretty this guy looks like he's from spore like look at him and tell me that's a spore oh you see where the giraffe apart comes from yep well I like him as long as he's friendly and non-poisonous but you really does look like someone really does look like someone took one of the leg parts and turned it into a neck yeah okay this one's got a yugio card of the day I guess these are coming up as well um all righty I got it one second sonic duck a winged beast a duck which can walk at sonic speed sometimes he cannot deal with his incredible pace and loses control oh my god oh that's that's annoying hell yeah quite the burden I like his little bucket helmet though quite the yeah the burden brd bird birdie oh my my brain took a second but I I get what you're putting out there I appreciated it too yeah there's another pokedex do you have you got any of them ready mr metal I I have the I'm basically waiting for you to tell me to go ahead let's hear one of them or two or three well you just post the third one let me just get this one out pokedex entry pokedex okay so we start with uh phantom phantom uh I think I've seen that one before uh let me give you guys a picture you know there you go phantom doesn't look too bad yet so let's see um pokedex entries so far these pokemon are created when spirits possess rotten tree stumps they prefer to live in abandoned forests okay nice and chill uh according to old tales these pokemon are stumps possessed by the spirits of children who died while lost in the forest oh good oh great this is one we've read before yeah unless of course we've covered so many about children's dead spirits inheriting you know like it's hard to tell which is new anymore for imitating the voice of a child that causes people to get hopelessly lost deep in the forest that's trying to make friends with them according to legend medicine to cure any illness can be made by plucking the green leaves on its head brewing them and boiling down the liquid oh damn well that's one of them then we got bannett a marionette poke pokemon that's this fella he has one really long teeth tooth that's one yeah that is one long tooth let's see bannett generates energy for laying strong curses by sticking pins into its own body oh geez this pokemon was originally a pit a pitiful plush doll that was thrown away okay i mean that doesn't sound too bad oh wait there's something with children again and abandonable we came this pokemon they're said to live in garbage dumps and wander about in search of the children that threw them away oh uh if it opens its mouth it's cursed energy escapes okay and there's quite a lot of pokey decks oh that isn't a tooth that's a zip ah that's weird yeah because that's a zipper mouth i think so like if you because if it opens its mouth if it unleashes the energy so it's zipped up so i guess if it unzips the mouth that would be where the energy would come out my presumption that one looks kind of funny this one is called oh no i don't want to save that to my copy it there we go uh this one is called grandpa grandpa whatever that one i'm pretty sure we have done this looks familiar right looks like a dragon grandpa which i guess oh yeah we did we did that one i remember that one there's a compassion personality but if it's an anger to completely destroy its surroundings when it's intense within its intense breath sort of this is yeah we did that one for shizzle like me first thing in the morning okay um so here's a potential thing of the day obscure comic book villains first up onomatopoeia a dc serial killer who speaks in sound effects bang bang oh i know him interesting be fun is he good well i haven't read any story but i know of him i've seen quite i've seen him around um it seems it seems like a fun concept um got like a good picture up transformer of the day tripodeca he transforms into a tripod not much else for his transformers wiki entry he did die though sadly oh transformer that's a tripod and he died suppose you could say he died as he lived die pod nice yeah oh here's onomatopoeia man eating guess what sound he makes chomp close it's blank plonk blouche ta ta brunch okay what's more reasonable yeah well all righty uh okay this one says uh look up the gen 8 fossil pokemon no dex just look gen 8 fossil these guys what the fuck is this i don't know if this is accurate or not but i'm assuming this might be what you wanted me to see these are not what i would call impressive uh well that's the result i got i don't know if this is real these look like randomized like it looks like if you were to fucking procedurally these are like the random creatures you would see in spore like if we're going back to that one yeah these these are uh these are terrible i would rather not see them again thank you thank you uh once i got those three you posted earlier do it so we got durand it's an iron and pokemon uh-huh if you're going down there it is let's see here they attack in groups covering themselves in steel armor to protect themselves from heat more oh wait that's the other pokemon that was mentioned okay uh durand dig nests and mountains they build they're complicated interconnect the tunnels in mazes they attack in groups blah blah blah the same so i guess that's this one we're the dead children well it was supposed to be a combination of heat more and durand durand which well i guess this one looks like an anteater so i guess that makes sense let's see uh it breathes through a hole in its tail while it burns its with an internal fire durand is its prey using the very hot flame covered tongues they burn through durand steel bodies and consume their insides oh no neat it's poor ants yeah i think that's that's those two and then we got buzz swole or buzz swole that one looks powerful it's like a wrasse wrestling pokemon oh wow let's see here it's like larry the lobster got an upgrade this ultra beast appeared from another world of course it did it shows of its body but whether that display is a boast or a threat remains unclear oh that's bad the mysterious life form called an ultra beast witnesses saw its pulverizer dump truck with a single punch whoa although it's alien to this world and a danger here it's apparently a common organism in the world where it normally lives okay there you go all right um and we got a digimon digimon oh wait you put digimon as well okay idramon i think it's gonna be something from the sea is the wonder if they just want us to judge its design what do you think sounds like it has a filthy name though seed oh you already got it i mean it looks better than a lot of the other digimon i've seen digimon like you know what the premise of digimon is like what is it supposed to be a combination of something and something or i think it's a digital world like a dragon or something yeah nothing about this screams digital to me you know i guess i was like it all in a game or something i'm not sure because i just don't know much about digimon at all pokemon and i guess i uh maybe this will be a stupid statement but i wonder if there's like a reason why pokemon was the one that stuck around while digimon because digimon was big in the 90s right but then it kind of just um died down a bit well i think a lot of that is also all right i had the ost for digimon the german one oh boy yeah maybe it's the games how many digimon games are there compared to pokemon well digimon's mainly known for like um those virtual pet things right yeah i thought so right it was like before tamagotchi or maybe it was around the same time yeah i think yeah because i think with um because pokemon you gotta remember has the full backing of nintendo behind it while digimon was like coming up um uh with a i think it says if it's created by bandai and wiz so probably not um got the same backing all right um boop boop boop challenge for fringy and all more sing as much of the stonecutter song as you can from memory alternative whichever simpson song you know best irons singing a simpson song i don't think i can uh no i know individual lines but i can't do it all in a row and the most i don't know it at all yeah it's like that candidly and i don't know like way too long to go through the actual thing and we'll probably like keep skipping over random lines and it'll be a whole mess hey the thought accounts meme did a little singing on the porch yesterday that was fun yeah alien movies ranked worst to best including a vp the worst that's gonna be pretty easy for me i'm just gonna say covenant prometheus resurrection three no wait a vp2 a vp1 then three then two then one nor but three then one and two that's yeah right that's because i was gonna say that's basically my order the complications would be whether or not alien resurrection or a vp or a vp2 like i'd have to rewatch them but that would be my quick like assumptiony sort of thing fucking hate covenant it's awful prometheus is right behind it like absolute stinkers the only reason that they're going to be above for most people compared to like resurrection and avp is because of the fact that they look much better um when i guarantee you the storyline is much more coherent in avp than it is in prometheus remember just like the part where she gets infected she removes it with the side's machine that just walks outside and wailin's like oh hey we're going on an adventure like whatever the fucking movie is so weird hey so so how does it feel that the predator might have almost been a candidate for that list because ellen ripley was supposed to appear at the end somehow despite it taking place in present day yeah she a Annie or a couple of said like options when they out have been great yeah uh mystery man is the origin of the song allstar i'm aware of that yeah remember finding that out when that song starts playing in that movie it's fucking bizarre it's like hey this is shred song like what are you doing did you read my super chat to rags of this stream i've got it I'll hang on to it for the next time rags is here probably read it to him on Wednesday Wednesday The jannet fossil pokemon are literally two halves of different pokemon combined together. It's fucked up Yeah Lemie indeed stargate sg1 weapon of the day zot nick tell That's a little zappy one the rounded one um I don't know how to type that word. Otherwise, I would check himself Wow post you it kind of looks like the pokemon we just had in shape. It's exactly the one I thought of damn. I'm good That looks funny pretty sure it's a gold weapon Like when you use it it goes up a little bit like it's like extends up and then it goes like And that's like a little zappy tism. I see looks like an alien vibrator Yeah Put the horn away meme. Just put it away and with that it can never be what can be I'll shut up. No, I can't speak again. We are caught up with the super chats. Whoo. Yay Um, yeah before I do anything else meme and metal Do you want to tell everybody what you're up to these days where your fleams are being found and whetted? Dude I have my fleams everywhere This is fleams and shleams era. No, uh, yesterday we did the forge meme and I yeah over the Star Trek original series pilots Uh, three of them the unerred one the one that was first produced and then the one who was actually the first episode that came out and Conclusion was that the the episode that actually came out was probably the best the best one not to do On that thing. I don't know why I said that they're weirdly it's the one They shouldn't have taken as the pilot because it was the weakest one of the bunch. There you go. Got their adventure. Yep At the least amount to say it was just a monster story Yeah, go go check them forges out. They're always good fun For sure. I did I did an extra for today. I'm a short forge or a micro forge if you will where I was Doing a little ramble about she-hulk Just released it just now before we went live Because I'm crazy because you hate women. Just be honest. Geez specifically the green ones Wow, you give me the heebie jeebies Herb it gibbets the herb it gerbets Oh, yes, it is worth mentioning that was a five and a half hour Yeah, there was the the longest forge to date again broken when meme was around because meme just keeps Pushing the limits of what the forge is Yep. Yep. Yep. That's uh I don't even know how really. Um, I don't even know what what I do specifically to to push the link I can tell you exactly a million times more knowledge of those things above What we talk about so you just nerd out all the time Yeah, that's what I do. It's like context. I don't have So you just go like in this comic that happens and then you go Actually, that's not true. They used another word here Well, I did do the quantum physics lecture during the crisis on two earths one didn't you did that was that was fun The ones with meme around they're always the craziest ones. They're they're good stuff. They're good. Good rat. Good rat for sure Me me even did a little sing song Of the lyrics for the original star wars Theme song or intro song rather. I was yeah Yeah Good stuff But yeah, those are fun. Go check thems out Otherwise I'm I'll just do trombones on the twitchy in there much less than before because I do other things Like preparing those forges And last couple of things I needed to watch multiple episodes of things so I couldn't stream that much But maybe it's getting it's it's just getting more Next month it's going to be busy with everything sludge pipe isn't full Full sludge mode and there's a lot of the lots to watch lots to cover and it's gonna be painful Yeah, because I I I I decided to to cover all of rings of power A week by week for the forges So you don't want to watch that show and want to see the coverage of that. I'll get you covered I'll I'll do the pain part You watch the thing There you go Uh, how about you me? Ah, so I have uh, so the last few weeks have been taken up by the uh, the multiverse of very Madnesses across the fucking retardation verse Um, so that'll be that'll be out on of course the mutually channel there And so you'll get to see many funny a meme there, but as far as my own Stuff, um, once I've gotten some rest. I'm thinking the very next thing I'm going to do is record this script I wrote just before I started the uh multiverse of man's thing And I'm gonna force myself to get through it and to get that Together whether whether or not that video We'll see how that video turns out, but I am determined to get a video out. That is my commitment to you Chat I will get a video. Imagine. I am campaigning right now on my pedestal You will get a video It will be a video Cheer Yeah, no a dragon Yeah, oh fuck Why meme lines so hot though? Oh, you know, it's my personality Got them lengths The old description, eh? Um, oh, we got an extra couple that have come in. I'll just read them quick e-fat movies vanquish when it's gotta happen What's vanquish? vanquish is a video game for me I know it is a video game, but I'm assuming this is a movie since it said e-fat bobeys I know it just says oh, it's oh, it's the movie with ruby rose in it. Okay. Yeah, that that could happen at some point. Yeah This one just says call me millie All right, millie. Okay, millie. Yeah. Is that millie? Oh my you caught me doing an eat. Here's a chat Why thank you You are no longer caught up. Mwahaha That's just So how did the skull on wheels thing begin? That's a great question. I'm pretty sure it's just because the icon originally was the gas mask, but in like a templaty form So it kind of looked like a skull with wheels. I think that's it You can go back to the earliest e-fap episodes. That's where it originates I'm pretty sure people call me skull on wheels for a while. The long man kind of just won out, you know The long on wheels is cool it ain't that cool now Um We're near you there by the way Good sir See is he coughing maybe he's coughing? I'm not coughing Our star-crack we'll go on forever. Nice Now, as you guys know, my video, it's in proofing mode now, which means I have to spend my whole days like watching through it all, finding one mistake, re-rendering and watching through it all again. That's funny, I will be able to have like two videos per day, like rent, so I gotta be very specific with the... And then, who am I gonna find to wanna proof this thing? Once it reaches like the ability to be watched online. I'm hoping copyrights don't fuck me over as well, I still got some tasks to do, but I've got... What? Five days? Oh, five days. Yeah. So, you know. That other thing cut out for me. As you know, a day after that will be the anniversary eFap stream, of which we will likely cover many a video, have many a guest, do all kinds of thingamajimes and jambals and gooms, but we've also set something up to release. Now, last time we did this, people quite liked it, so we thought we'd do it again, but maybe switch up the designs, so I guess I'll show my one fist, but it is indeed true, you may have heard rumors, I don't even know, maybe, maybe not, but myself and Fringold and Rags are doing a round two of those little plum shows you may or may not be aware of. As you can see, this is the new me. I would put up the vision of the old one in case you guys don't remember what it looks like, but this guy's a little different, got a little mischievous look to him, even got something detachable, and those tentacles, they're moving in different ways. So there he is, different angle, I got me some cookies, because man do I like them. This launch, I believe, midnight on Thursday, so Friday they will become available, and then Saturday we'll inform you guys as to what in the world is going on with them. I've only got a link to the old model plushie in chat, well hopefully we'll get a new link by then, and they'll be up and running for about, I think, 20, 21 days, I think is how it works, but Fringie, do you happen to have a, I'll show the general pubic, what yours looks like, this, everyone, it's Fringie as a plushie, look at him go. Look at that goo, isn't it worth buying it just for the goo? And so there's a snag of sorts, I suppose you may say, that minor Fringies are ready, Rags is one that's a little more, a little different, a little more complex, a little more special, but his isn't coming out quite the same time, they call it a staggered release, so the idea will be that you can grab the combo of me and Fringie, and you'll get a little discount, and then when Rags' comes along, soon after, there'll be a unique code given out on EFAP to get yourself a discount on his, and that is essentially how we're going to try and run this good ol' second generation of EFAP plushies, I believe, you know, judging from how interested or how happy you guys are with these things, you've got some raging in chat of give it to me, you know, that seems healthy. We will say this is allegedly 100% genuine goo, but you can't access it, right, you've got some magic going on there that, it's kind of. I mean, I guess in terms of accessing the properties of the goo in a plush form, there might be some complications, but I mean, it's there in spirit. I would say so, so, like I said, these are not available for another week, we'll let you guys know exactly how it's all going to work, but obviously we're quite happy with these designs, we think they're pretty nifty. They are, they're pretty nifty, they are fun, and of course, if you do look good, yeah, for as long as you guys are interested in them, we'll keep someone out for you, change them up here and there. Does Rags's Vision 2 come with snow? I'm not actually 100% sure what it will come with, but I'm looking forward to seeing his progressing well, it looks very interesting. It's a little different, it'll be a little different surprise for them at Ol' Makeship. But yeah, I think this will be nice and neat, like I said, available in about a week's time, so, got that to look forward to, got a fucking six hour video to look forward to, you got your anniversary stream to look forward to, and that's, I think that's about actually it, other than catching up on, wait, EFAP movies on the Suicide Squad have waited too long, eventually, eventually. It's my fault I've been delaying meme by asking for help with some other stuff, all right, give him, give him, give him time. Those things come to those who wait. Meme, who made your PFP, it looks awesome. I think this was Odin, I'm pretty sure. That does look like Odin, shizzle. Yeah, I think that the larger image is me holding like a crystal ball that has like a gothic phone image in it, that's pretty funny. What is the color scheme for EFAP 200? 100 was purple, 50 was gold, 200 is? It is like a, well, is this, I don't even know if this is a spoiler. Why would it be a spoiler? I'm sure it's fine. It is, it is like a, dare I say a frosty space sort of theme, so like it's like a blueish whiteish sort of we're going for. We will eventually run out of colors and we're just going to have to go back, you know. I don't think we'll run out of colors, there's like a billion colors. There's like three left. Yeah, you know. You could start doing rainbow, like stripes and stuff. Or different shades of the colors that are already, you know, there. Instead of red, you can have a pinker one or like burgundy. You know what? You can do infrared or ultraviolet. Just have it be not visible at all. Yeah, we shall invent more colors down here. Personally invent more colors because we're running out. Just sew them into the fabric of existence. Molo, why did you say you'll plush cookies instead of biscuits? Because it's cookie crisp. Well, we have cookies in Britain. What do you mean? Yeah. No, you only have biscuits. Like, yeah, to be fair, I think as far as I'm, I don't want to open up a huge fucking conversation here, but I thought biscuits were like the umbrella to him and cookie was a type. I, no idea. Well, either way, I've heard people make arguments about it. It's apparently very contentious. When I see the chocolate chip types, I'm always like, those are cookies. But if I see like a digestive biscuit, I probably call it a biscuit, not a cookie. A cookie circular? Is that like a fundamental aspect of a cookie? If I saw a square one that had the chocolate chips, I'd probably call that a cookie still. I guess it's just that you don't often associate, whereas biscuits are often, you know, different shapes, rectangular. Often rectangular. Oh, they're right about the next one. I said, why do you say X, Y and Z instead of X, Y, Z? I've got Americanization in my languages, I guess. Yeah, that's not something I did on purpose. Does it cause you discomfort? No, I find the way I speak comfortable. I guess I wouldn't do it otherwise. Are you sure about that? Are you sure about that? But if I play Cookie Clicker, how do I get those three months of my life back? Don't. It was a trick. That's true. I only play biscuit clicker. Oh. Actually, All Star is a Digimon song. Look up the movie. Yep, that's true. It did appear in the Digimon movie. It's kind of funny right at the end. Man, All Star ends up in all these incredible films. That's just, I mean, that was its fate, I guess. Only the greatest movies of all time would ever pick it. That's pretty neat. Yeah. The Digimon movie is so fucking weird because it is three separate Digimon movies that they just cut to pieces and glued together and then put a narration over it to act as if it's one story. It's strange. Is it stranger than Dr. Strange's movie, though? Haha. Haha. Probably not. Will EFAP 300 be the musical episode of EFAP? Every show has one. No. Just, just, just... Oh. And with that, is there anything else any of you folks would like to say? No. I have said enough. We've already, the plush, the news, that's enough to fill my heart with contentment and joy. Usually for the crime of not liking Green Woman, I sentence you in the crew of EFAP movies cat in the hat. Jokes on you, that movie's amazing. We'll have infinite things to discuss. EFAP movie's the Digimon movie? Maybe. We need to, we need to really start back up on EFAP movie. We'll figure it out. Yeah. Alright. With that, thank you all very much for hanging out with us. For the kind messages, the kind donations and the kind insights here and there, back and forth. We shall see you next time on Wednesday, right? Then, the fateful Annavir Salih. If we don't turn up on Wednesday, it's because too many things got in the way. So, quite possible. Especially because I've got real BBC on Tuesday and then I got Open Bar on that Thursday as well. It's going to be a bit of a week for me. Fuck, I really, like, if this video manages to go out without a hitch, it'll be a miracle. But, oh my god, what a difficult miracle. But alrighty. Thank you all so much for watching. Well done. Good night, everyone. Bye-bye. Good bye. See you. Bye-bye. Roll talking at town-town. No.