 Well, it still continues as the trend of that there's only one good Saw movie, really. Yeah. Yay. Wholeheartedly agree. Ooh, that's a hot mug, guys. Hey guys, this is our review for Saw 2. Yeah, Saw 2. Continuing the trend of our... We're hoping that maybe we can get through to all of them before the new one comes out on Halloween. Nay, nay, oh dear God, 1,000 times nay. And, uh, yeah, I don't like this one. I honestly, this is the only one other than the first one. I've seen more than once, and it's been years since I've seen it. And I feel like I enjoyed it more this time than I remember, but it's still not a good movie. Um, the whole concept of kind of taking what you said was a script that was written by the director. Yeah, it's... Bozeman wrote this for, uh, to be another movie entirely, and after Saw did really well, um, they brought in Lee Winnell to make it a Saw movie. So essentially a Cloverfield. Yeah, it's... It's got some ideas that I think are kind of cool, like these guys being trapped in a house, having to figure out the clues all the while Donny's trying to figure out where his son is, because Jicks sells in the room with him. On paper, in concept, these have a cool, I'd like to be a cool synopsis, but holy shit is the execution kind of messy. Yeah, it's, I mean, it is Bozeman's first film. Um, I mean, granted, he does two more of these dumpster fires, so... I'll say, like, maybe someone's there, but I do like aspects of this movie, there's... I mean, the escape room thing is kind of cool, I like that that's the way it kind of plays out. Um, I like that it ends up not being, like, really Jigsaw's puzzle, so, like, justifies its difference early on, although I'm still not a huge fan of that whole plot twist. And then, like, it feels like it couldn't even be bothered for just one plot twist, it does several. And then, it feels like this movie is very much overreaching. It's trying to have too many things at the same time, rather than actually just having a concise movie, because you have editing that would definitely put seizures into anyone suffering from epilepsy. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely cut together like a new metal music. They took a lot of the aspects that worked in the first film, and they're like, hey, why don't we just shove that full of ADHD and adrenaline? The first movie did that, too, but this movie definitely does more of it, and, like... It's excessive. Somehow it's far too excessive. Yeah, somehow it's... it's a problem in this one. No real central character that you root for in this movie. Yeah. Like, you can maybe say The Sun, and you can say Amanda. But he's kind of a... The Sun's kind of a wet blank at the whole movie. Yeah, like... He doesn't do much, like... No, no, everyone's cardboard in this movie. Yeah. And except for one particular character who's... He's just an infuriating cardboard being the drug dealer character. I remember absolutely detesting this guy when I saw it the first time. I was like, he's an idiot. He's stupid. This guy is just a... There's nothing about his character that's enjoyable. Like, obviously you've got to have an antagonist in sort of situations like this, but he's literally just a brick wall. I'm getting out of here. A brick wall that is aggressive and... And pulls off something you've been really impossible at the end of the movie. Like, guys... I was gonna bring... I was like... I was trying to figure out when to bring that part up, because I think the thing that bugs me most with that is it's like the moment. Like, we start getting the... Like, we talked about it in our first review. The... The da-da-dim, da-da-dim, da-da-dim. Like, it starts rolling the big thing, but that's him cutting his number off the back of his neck, which doesn't matter at all. Which... And you think that someone like this big brute who's got a muscle shirt on, essentially... Hey, hey, look, there's... There's a number on the back of your neck. It's very, very obvious to see. Everyone here could have like, you know, had of like maybe some sort of distinguisher to tell, because like, hoodie's hairy. Hoodie, hairy, I think. But he's... He's buzzed ahead and he's got a fucking muscle shirt. How did no one see his fucking number? Also, how did he cut it off? The best part of that movie would have been he messed it up. Which I thought they could have ended up doing, because everybody else fucks up everything else they do in this movie. Like every trap that someone gets brought into, in any way, like they fuck it up. And that's the other thing too, there isn't a consistency with the traps. Some of these traps are like, you're fucking dead. You are dead if you make the slightest mistake, while some of them are like, yeah, they're not great. Like obviously the one that I'm talking about is the needle pit. Best scene of the movie. Best scene, everyone gets the shivers from that. I stood up and I was like... It's hard to watch that scene. But there's nothing negative about it. None of the syringes have poison or anything in them. There's no negative. That was just pain. It fucking sucks, yes. There's a few... What's it the one that's just randomly in the box? I feel like they're like, hey, we had to kill this character off. Have her enter this room that no one else checked. A lot of the elements of this movie are just really dumb. I find that there's too many people who are just too stupid. I understand that they've got some nerve agent, which by the way, how the fuck did Jigsaw get his hands on a war crime? A literal war crime. That's the... It seems a little fun. Like that's one of those... And it kind of gets just like tossed aside. Like of course he'd have this. Also, how do you get this house? How do you get this house built? I get multiple houses. I mean, I guess... Yeah, multiple houses. I mean, I guess, again, if you go by the can of the rest of the movie, there's like 45 fucking cops on his payroll basically. Yeah, apparently. Yeah, it's just like the further... The cult of Jigsaw. We haven't even got to the Hoffman era yet. It's a very messy movie. It was ambitious in a way. I'll give it that. But I feel that it reaches way too far with too many things. Too many conveniences. I feel that the... What's it? You say like the director having this being his first time experience as well as like obviously not having someone as experienced as James Wan was. Even then, James Wan was... I mean, he's a year out of his first film at this point. But he's just a much more concise idea. And then the melding of the two scripts just doesn't work. Some parts are okay, other parts not at all. And I feel like that ended up... I mean, it also kind of heralds... I mean, it sucks because it actually maybe fits in more than we're giving it credit for. Because I think it heralds a lot of the nonsense that comes later in this franchise with the like... The too many twists and the like... The like deliberately confusing timelines for things and like the geography is all over the place. Which I commented while we were watching it. I kind of like some of the editing where the geography... Some of it's not bad. Where like it pans off somebody walking as if they're panning to the people next to them but they're in a different room. I thought that was cool but... And deliberately confusing on the geography. And the ending can definitely be kind of commendable because it has to have like that element of like... Oh, they're in the house at the same time. It does give you this multiple feeling of false sense of hope, I guess. And that part is good. I feel like the ending is the most decent part of the whole movie aside from the needle scene. The needle pit and the ending... But even then like the editing is just... It's like it's way, way, way, way too much. I mean it does have a mud vein side of the credit. So, you know, New Metal lives strong in this movie. Yes. So I definitely can see that maybe they took... They have some of those own criticisms themselves. Because the third movie is... Literally the most concise thing. It is very... I'm looking forward to watching the third one because I honestly, the... I know three, like three is the end of Jigsaw. That's like the only thing I remember. It's the doctor. It's the doctors Amanda and him in the medical room. I don't remember anything else about the movie. And all the other movies are like weird amalgamations of like I have no idea which came where and whatnot. So I'm looking forward to watching the rest of the series even though I have absolutely no faith I'm gonna like any of them. No, probably not. For some reason I still feel that Six was good but I think that's because it was taking apart the American medical assistant. I do vaguely remember liking... I actually think I have like weirdly fond memories of four. I don't know why. Like when I think of the Saw series like four sticks out of my head. Johnny Wahlberg, which by the way he was in this movie too. Yeah. Don't worry though, they'll forget that he was in it too. So in the end though, what's your rating for this? I'm gonna go with a three. Honestly, like I did enjoy it more than I... It's not good but I did enjoy like bits and pieces. The needle seems fun. I like the ending. And I think that when I get down to the ones of the later series like the straight up like negative 48 that I'll give Jigsaw. I think I need to give this one a three like relatively speaking but I've part of me enjoyed this. I could see... It's not good. I could see the one to give it a three but I just can't. It's just so irritating to watch. The editing is awful. The only good part about it is the twist at the end. Not even the twist at the end. We did talk about the puns though. Jigsaw dropped on some mighty fine puns. Oh, the safe. It might even get a bump up to that three. What a safe and secure place. Because he's in a safe and secure place while he's like sitting next to the safe. Yeah. Like it's stupid. He's close at hand and things. Yeah. And it's so stupid. But yo, that whole interrogation scene. Jigsaw making dad jokes. He's just being like cryptic. It's like I would want to punch him too. It's like... I mean that's all he wants him to do. He's being cryptic. Yeah. And then also Donnie Wahlberg's entire thing is... Now there is like just what? Just wait for two hours? Like that's... Yeah. That was the goal. But how he... Like how does that correlate into... Anyways, but my rating for this is a two out of seven. It has some okay elements but it's essentially a very, very crappy version of the first movie expanded. Yeah. Yeah. It's not as... I mean I gave the first one a five and... Yeah. You know maybe a two and a half honestly. Yeah. It's not good but I did like it more than I remembered liking it. So... I remembered exactly all of the parts that I didn't like about this one. All right, well guys that's our review for this one and now we're about to watch number three. We're trying to blast through these. Blast through a couple of these. So uh... And we'll be serious this time. Unlike every other time we've said that we're going to do it fast. So I hope you guys enjoyed the video. If you did leave a like and if you're interested in more subscribe and wait till we do number three which will be hopefully very soon depending on my editing. All right, see you guys.