 We'll have two old men talking about Beyonce. I don't think the audience are interested in that. All right. Okay. Just an idea. Come on. We'll do it. We'll do it. Rather than you saying, thank you, Lee. Thank you, Greg. Love you. Bye. Love you. See you tomorrow. Bye. All right, sunshine. You better get off. All right, good luck. All right, bye-bye. Take care of yourself. It's the 9 o'clock noon show at 9 o'clock. Good morning. Michaela Clark. Thanks, Greg. Good morning. The PRO of the Micah Action Group has warned that there needs to be a change in government if the right redress scheme cannot be delivered. Michael Doherty says the government acted in bad faith by publishing the revised defective concrete blocks bill yesterday. The same version he says homeowners were shown last week when they were given promises their feedback would be added to an amended final version. On Thursday, a shortened form of pre-legislative scrutiny of the bill is expected to be brought forward. Michael Doherty says time is running out for the government to fix homes. If you don't get it right this time, then we're going to have to do something different. And it's just the same as anything else. If you can't change the government and change their mind, then we've got to change the government and change the people and get people on there that'll take this thing seriously and get the job done, we will not be given any more chances to this government. Garda resources are further diminishing in West Dunnegoal. This week it emerged that the patrol car in Fulcara has now reached the end of life with no current plan to replace it. Meanwhile, Don Fanehe has been without a car since October which was also used to serve the Creeslaw area. In the event of an emergency, Garda cars will now have to travel from either Milford or Ghidor. Hunter Michael McLaughley says the lack of resources simply spells disaster. The township doesn't believe the rationing of energy supplies will happen here. It follows remarks from the EU Commissioner, Maria McGuinness, who warned rationing could become a reality this winter. EU members could be left without fuel supplies as lawmakers look to reduce their dependence on Russian oil. However, Don Fanehe doesn't think it will happen, saying Ireland does have energy reserves. That would only arise I think where attempts were made at price controls and you know they never work. When you bring in price caps you either have to increase them all the time which defeats the whole purpose or you end up kind of rationing energy because there's a limit on supply because the people who bring the fuel into the country just can't bring it in at the cost you've kept it at. Whether night or dull morning with scattered patches of drizzle and mist highest temperatures today of 17 or 18 degrees. 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Hello good morning to you four minutes past nine it's another Wednesday the 22nd of June 2022 good morning as I say you're very welcome along to another edition of the Ninetal Noon Show we'll be running through the papers for you very shortly but we're going to try and keep that short at least we'll have to interrupt it because we're hoping to have a Minister Charlie McConnelog join us he has moved his schedule around to make time for us on an important issue and why shouldn't he oh wait six sixty twenty five thousand whatsapps and texts to that number by the way oh seven four nine one twenty five thousand give us a call Donna Marie and Caroline very friendly waiting to speak to you to tease your issues out if you wish before you even decide to come on air you can watch the program hop onto our website HighlandRadio.com you can watch it in browser there you should see the links to do so or go straight to our YouTube channel Highland Radio Ireland or Facebook if you want to see the captions there as well and so we were hearing from Sean and others yesterday some people find that useful so that's a good thing isn't it all right let's look at the papers then let's start with the Finn Valley voice COVID-19 storms back in Donegal uh COVID-19 is back and Donegal along with most other counties is feeling the heat there are now 24 cases of COVID-19 at LUH and COVID-19 it has been a factor in at least eight deaths across the county in the month of May and while the rate of incidents in the Finn Valley remains one of the country's lowest at 123 recorded positive cases per 100k the real figure could be higher uh the Innish Times this morning uh Mikey campaigners say they are preparing to target government TDs in elections and pick at their offices as the latest redress bill approaches a crucial stage campaigners say they have ruled nothing out in their effort to achieve a scheme that meets their demands and have expressed concern that the latest bill will still leave homeowners facing unacceptable costs the 2.7 billion scheme was due to be published on Tuesday after being approved by cabinet last week and the bill is due to go before the Rockers housing committee on Thursday for accelerated pre-legislative scrutiny now there's a few things we have to tease out on this firstly this is the old document Bar the shouting that was published at some time ago um there was engagement with uh concerned interests of course those engagements seem to have fallen on deaf ears there's nothing in this document really sorry there's a lot in this document uh that ignores the concerns that homeowners might have but we're being told uh that people are being told privately that no that document doesn't say at all that this is included or that's included you know and we're going to try and get it to the bottom to the bottom of it for you i don't understand why the messaging is the way it is um in that you know if it's not what if if the scheme do not publish the document unless that's the scheme all right because what it's doing is causing great anxiety to people as to say it may well be it's something we're going to have to investigate with minister charlie mcconnellogue when he comes on with us as I say have your say as well don't go post this morning special events to remember donna a memorial a special memorial event takes place this saturday in donna gole town to remember one of donna gole's gea's greatest ladies football pioneers the late donna boyle made onion uh the series of games will involve an afternoon of fun and a trip down memory lane in honor of a special lady the games are set to take place at her beloved charconnell park with the main event at three p.m and hosted by the four masters club the native of our draw a 41 year old teacher and mother of two sadly passed away back in february after lung illness during which she showed the same strength determination and courage that she had so often displayed on the field of plane sounds like it's going to be a fitting um event in her memory the Irish independent today less than a third of hsc workers have received the pandemic bonus worth up to a thousand euro that was announced by government in january now it was in fact announced in january but wasn't this first talked about in 2020 uh then announced in january and still the majority have not received this it's also been revealed that a circular has not yet been published that would allow the recognition payment to be made to workers in the private sector including nursing homes for their efforts the latest official figures dated last friday show 33431 payments have been processed at a cost of 32.3 million this represents roughly a third or fewer of the hsc staff who are likely to qualify a hsc spokesperson says spokesperson said it is expected the number of eligible staff to be in excess of a hundred thousand but i think it's over it may well be over a month ago where i heard someone from the hsc saying that they hoped to have the majority sorted before the end of the week or both for the end of that month and still the feet are being dragged the irish times tells us that the government has abandoned plans to postpone pay rises of up to 15 percent for top-earning public servants amid fears over legal action and possible protests among those in line for rises of 10 to 15 percent are judges hospital consultants and many senior public officials the move affects some 4 000 public servants earning in excess of 150 000 euro and will apply apply from next week so whilst we look forward to any little break we might get in the budget those this cohort of 4 000 earning over 150 000 will receive a 15 percent pay rise next week but it's pay restoration really this is money that they lost around the time of the last recession and also the vast majority of these are consultants working in our hospitals so they are important people maybe if it has to go to someone better it go to they it's expected to though to provoke a strong backlash from opposition politicians and the public struggling with spiraling inflation and the general cost of living crisis last week talks between trade unions and the government broke up when unions rejected an offer of a 5 percent pay increase over two years but the government has drawn up plans to go back to the unions with an improved offer somewhere between the 5 percent and the 9 percent odd of inflation hopefully it is seen to be enough the Irish Daily Mail tells us what we already know we're gouged left right and in the center consumer prices in Ireland were among the most expensive in the EU last year with the cost of goods and services a shocking 40 percent above the European average so what does that mean and it is quite clear but let's slow it down just so we're very very clear here we are in a union a European union so it's very easy to compare you know lots of different countries in different ways for us just to live the cost of the basics food insurance mortgage interest rates all the stuff that we cannot escape for the most part it costs us 40 percent more than our European neighbors okay so if they're paying six grand what we're paying ten grand you know it's significant significant money we're only behind Denmark for over price over all price levels in the block in 2021 new figures published by the European Commission show but the public will be feeding the pinch even more this year with inflation reaching a 40 year high of 8.3 percent last month consumer experts said Irish people have become conditioned to high prices and blamed high taxation rates for putting us out of step with Europe so maybe that is we've a long way to go to close a 40 percent gap compared to our European neighbors as I said right we will return to look at the newspapers in a moment but I want to welcome on to the program now the Minister for Agriculture Food and the Marine Donagol TD Minister Charlie McConnelogue thank you very much indeed for joining us this morning hey good morning Greg and I appreciate you arranging your schedule to permit this right you've said on a number of occasions on this program that foundations will be included in the scheme the document published yesterday seemed to suggest otherwise it says that only that foundations that aren't not only are they not included sorry but if you actually went to change them yourselves you could be put off the scheme so wherein there lies the truth yeah so listen thanks and good to join with you and it's good to get the opportunities to update people on where things are at so last week the draft general scheme of the bill came to cabinet and then yesterday the the final scheme which will come before the doll and the shannot came to cabinet obviously the issue of foundations is is really really important as something I have been engaged with the Department of Housing and the Minister for Housing about on several occasions again it is something I have engaged with the Department of Housing on in relation to the draft scheme and that has been the the final scheme that was updated and agreed to cabinet yesterday provides that or has changed from the previous week in that foundations can't or not or the house is not required to be built on the existing foundations it's required to build an existing footprint but not the existing foundations so why was that in the document yesterday then why wasn't that in the document yesterday sorry so the document that was published yesterday by the Department of Housing was the the general scheme from last week not not the bill that wasn't that was approved by cabinet yesterday it was also after the the cabinet meeting last week right then there would have been a briefing with the first thing that happened was a briefing with homeowner representatives and then at the same time as that as well that general scheme was provided to the housing committee and all the parties political parties on the housing committee the housing committee would have met and on the back of being provided with the general scheme and then they would have decided to have the committee hearings tomorrow and there's eight hours eight hours of committee hearings tomorrow but really importantly in relation to how we approach this obviously over the last number of months as the testing has happened on homes what was initially identified as being primarily a mica and a pyrite issue other substances have have evolved and have been identified in in the the testing has happened in many homes that have been tested since that that obviously has posed challenges for example in relation to pyrite and other other substances so what the the government has done is commissioned the national standards authority of Ireland to provide the scientific and engineering advice around how those substances should be treated and are wanted to receive that as quickly as possible but importantly then the science will be followed on this and as soon as the engineering advice and the science advice around those substances is available that that will inform the scheme that will inform the standards that are being used the IS465 which you look here to refer to on many occasions and the legislation is based on IS465 so as IS465 is updated the the legislation updates so listen there's there's so are you saying are you saying that the foundations are included from day one of this revised scheme so basically what the legislation provides for is that foundations can be included on the basis that the IS465 if the IS465 is amended to include when will that be that would be based that would be based on the the science and engineering advice which isn't available yet the national standards authority has been asked to do that as quickly okay so yeah but how long might that take they have indicated to the government that will be early 2023 before they have the full research and the full scientific evidence around that and as soon as the government has that that that will be so how can this how can this scheme progress this year at all this year or even early in next year if we actually don't officially have foundations included yet so so that's that's what's been discussed between the Donegal County Council and the Department of Housing at the moment but the answer is it can't really well well where the issues are mica and pyrite um then the there is evidence there to as to how they can be dealt with so for example if properties require demolition in the basis of mica and pyrite that can happen and and that's provided for where there's other substances to play obviously that's where the challenge comes in and that's what that's what has been the challenge over the last period of time in terms of getting getting uh uh decisions on properties I mean be strong to imagine any home would be demolished this year though uh well some homes have been demolished already and and I mean where and that's where the engagement between the Donegal County Council and the Department of Housing is important because what we need to do is try and move as many properties as possible through and have and get as many properties immediate as possible so will there be extra money made available for the foundations or will they have to come from the four hundred and twenty thousand euro cap so so as as things stand the the scientific advice and the the view of the housing engineers etc isn't an issue with foundations but if there is um and if the set's established the scheme will be updated to to reflect that but you're telling me you're telling me that really it's not that foundations are included in the scheme you're telling me that if the scientific advice from the NSA comes back next year at the earliest then they may be included in the scheme this scheme will not be published including foundations the science the science will be followed in this Greg and we'll decide what happens and obviously at the moment the the criteria is around pirate and mica and the quicker we can get that science and that engineering but just language is very important this uh this enhanced scheme from the off will not include foundations foundations will only be included if that's a recommendation of the NSA what what the what the legislation will do and this will get a very thorough examination at the housing committee tomorrow where there will be eight hours of discussion on it and that that will be very helpful and what the legislation will do will is establish the new but you were on the phone last night ten and people foundations were included weren't you and really they're not actually included what what i'm saying what what i've said to anybody that called me last night is exactly what it said to yourself here great right okay um exactly what it said to yourself so um what what the legislation will do will will be update the uh the new camps based on the charter surveyors of Ireland updated costings from march that underpins the legislation which is which is which is just because i know your short and time will the cap be increased to account if foundations end up being included in this scheme they're hardly going to have to come out of the 420 000 with everything else the legislation the legislation empowers the minister to change and update the cap as appropriate and in terms of the as um as the costings involved emeritus that's something that the bill just to ask you will the cap be increased it already needs to be increased because of inflation will it be increased if foundations are included that's the decision the minister would have to call on him today to ensure that it's included listen as i've done it at all times i mean my but you see the problem we have here minister is the problem we have here right now is right okay that you're telling me that it's not actually it doesn't actually include foundations yet it may well do if the nsa says so and you're also telling me that you don't even know really if extra money will be provided uh or if this will have to so in other words you know yourself you're talking to me today about a scheme that is not a 100 percent redress scheme that is not what we're discussing today we're discussing a we're discussing right a reheated version of the 9010 scheme which itself wasn't a 9010 scheme certainly not certainly not great this is a scheme which is this is a scheme which is built which is based on independent assessment of costings done by the chartered surveyors of Ireland which was requested by homeowners and was really important happened that that updated costings was published back in March that's what this bill is based on um and that was those costings were broadly welcomed by by by by homeowners and representatives at the time so the bill is based on that obviously it's key that we follow the science some of the evidence that's emerged around uh other substances over the last number of months the scientific evidence isn't available to the government yet in relation to those that has been uh got as quickly as it possibly was short in time but you've said that okay you've said that so that was that will then that will then inform the scheme okay so what what this legislation was what this legislation does is it bases it on the updated costings it puts that in place it means that people are able to avail of that it also requires and also provides for the science to be followed in relation to the remediation of houses and or and as a science but we need the money the money has to go with the science right how can this be called a 100 grand scheme with so many costs coming out of the allocation the impact of inflation that's uh that that it's having on costs that's not reflected currently in the square footage figures at the moment do you believe especially foundations have to come out of this money as well honestly honestly do you believe the majority will be able to return their home to its former state without having to find money themselves so listen what the bill is the bill is based on at the charge of airs of island costing based on marks past and it's also provides in on an annual basis going forward that that can be updated and that's really important this is going to be a scheme that's going to be around for a long time the bill there's a legislative process involved here the general scheme went to cabinet last week the the the updated the the scheme that will go to the Dow and Shannon the final scheme was in advance of going to the Dow and Shannon went to the cabinet yesterday that'll be published in the next few days and what will happen tomorrow then is that the housing committee who were provided with the the scheme the general scheme last week as where the micro representatives they will discuss that tomorrow and feedback their feedback to the government as well so there's a legislative process here all right do you believe it's a hundred percent redress scheme charlie well well what what it is greg is is based on the rebuild value of a property as assessed for the charge of airs of island obviously it doesn't include the likes of garages it doesn't include the likes of of driveway for the majority of people for the majority of people with average size houses do you believe that this is a 100% redress scheme hand on heart do you believe it is with foundations engineers cost storage cost accommodation cost do you believe this is a 100% redress scheme for the majority of average people without garages etc do you believe it is listen what it is and is based on the the charge of your veyors costing of this way I can't say whether that will mean for every family or not that it will cover all their costs I know it doesn't cover the cost of garages for example the cost of driveways the chargers of airs of Ireland through the professional body for every industry have assessed what can you vote for this then with your own acknowledgement that this is not a 100% redress scheme do you think you can vote for this then so against the people that elected you I have I will I'm working on behalf of the people that have elected me greg as I've done at all times I've I'm at the cabinet table working with the the minister for housing other cabinet colleagues the party leaders to to make sure that we get a scheme in here which fully supports and properly supports homeowners it's now got to the stage where it's at there's more to go I've worked hard at cabinet level in terms of getting that getting it in terms of the general scheme and in terms of the scheme of the previous year I've clarified to you the changes have been made changes which I have been adamant on all along and remain adamant on those changes have been made okay so the next steps now is it goes to the committee it also goes to the door on the channel and it will get a lot more scrutiny as part of that a lot more assessment all right and I will continue to do what I've done open to now in terms of getting to where it's at you said you said we'd follow over the next let me finish in terms of the way I will continue to do over the next period of time as I've done open to now in terms of getting into where it's at truly is within government to ensure that we get a scheme which properly and fully ensures that houses are fixed across the county and gets a scheme that works for homeowners there's there's more way to go on this there's a legislative process involved obviously it's a very stressful time for homeowners obviously the legislative process and you know social media weren't made to go hand in hand but what I would say to people is there's eight hours of people have the power now people have the power now thanks to social media to try and influence these decisions and to call it out when people make commitments that aren't followed through on there's eight hours of scrutiny of this bill tomorrow okay I just need three more minutes of scrutiny with you if that's okay more scrutiny than in relation to understood but people want to know where you stand uh how you said we'll follow the science how can we only fix outer leaves on any properties uh if we're following the science well that's the challenge that there are the moment in relation to getting decisions to some properties because where this testing has identified all their substances as a play all and Mike and pirate this is the ball the last number of months um it's very challenging to make those decisions and that's where the county council and the department of housing are working and engaging in relation to the existing properties that have those substances in place to see where and how decisions can be made it's really important we get that scientific and engineering advice as quickly as we can because for a number of properties it that will be that will need to be there to make to make decisions which actually people can kind of have confidence will stand the test of time and that's the challenges there at the moment okay and it's important we follow the science right it's logical it's logical that people should be able to downsize their property to enable them to as much as is possible uh complete a home out of this grant you've talked earlier about uh the house having to be built on the same footprint uh will you uh are you in favor of will it happen that people will be able to downsize so in other words they can say right we can build a smaller house but we might not have to borrow as much additional is that going to be in this new scheme should it be in this new scheme it's not the legislation it is something i've pushed for and advocated for like like with everything over the last way to get as much as we why is it being resisted do you think well because the assessment is and the view the view is within government that the scheme that's in place which is based on the surveyor's cost of rebuild is to is to replace that property um what the homeowners are looking for which which are absolutely understandable and something that i've advocated within government for is that if you build a smaller home that you get the remainder of the grant that you would have been entitled to if you'd built a larger house for it to be to to use it on the property that's that's an additional element of the scheme which i think stands that government have considered i've advocated but they're not going to do it are they charlie the builders and include that and there is in support and government for that i'd say right okay i've advocated on i've advocated and all these things that's i've got it to where it's at there's there's more stages in the process left to be i continue to fight on behalf of homeowners okay and lastly lastly to do the very best i can do the best the best possible outcome and we'll continue to do that what do you vote for this legislation if if these things that you're calling from aren't included i'll continue to fight within government to get changes and to get the best possible bill that we can that's what i've done in terms of getting it to where it's at i don't believe we'll get everything that we're looking for will you support it though um so what i do is i'll continue to try and have the kid on behalf of homeowners and get the best outcome possible but will you support it when it comes down to a vote and get a scheme delivered then that actually can deliver for home will you vote for it i think we have come a massive way in relation to what's in place at the moment and what i will be doing is working within government to achieve those changes okay lastly like i've done here in relation to the foundations like i've done in relation to other things understood and to get a scheme which works for for people across then you go finally as you know there's a legal company signing up home homeowners with a view to take an action to bridge any short fall and for other motivations is this new revised scheme designed to discourage that no it's not no that the government in its decisions have also made clear that it will pursue every avenue possible in relation to following through in relation to those who contributed to this and in relation to cost recovery as well the government have put in place a scheme obviously to help and to rebuild homes but the government likewise will pursue any and every avenue it can legally as well in relation to this and that's part of it okay follow through here too and just to be clear i'm asking questions that will come in after your offer and i want as much as is possible to get definitive answers from you i hope you understand that absolutely Greg and listen what i say is listen this this is obviously a very very stressful situation for homeowners might at least rest well but you're not going to give up you're not going to give up the whip on this issue i will continue to work with homeowners to get results for them you believe you can do it better within the party that's what that's what i've that's my job within government i haven't been able to explain to you today changes in the legislation that happened from last cabinet to this cabinet meeting um it has got it it is it is a very this is a scheme now which i believe um can can work um it needs further scrutiny you know we'll get further scrutiny and i will use every as a captain minister working on behalf of the county every capacity and opportunity i have could you write one thing to go for for me too if it comes up in conversation is the way this is being handled the a terrible emotional impact this is having on people the way uh there are people that were probably just holding on by a string and they saw that document yesterday and it could just be enough to push people over the edge this is everything to to people to a lot of people is everything to the whole family the kids are involved in everything so when you're handling and releasing documents that don't necessarily tell the full story i hope you know the potential impact this can have on people i'm sure you do minister i just hope your colleagues be aware of that and obviously i try to be as sensitive as possible in relation to how i'm engaging this um uh and that that's really that's really important outside of people's health um Greg the biggest thing in their lives is their is their home um but there is there's the legislative process in terms of this this this this bill was provided and briefed the mic of representatives first of all last week at the same time as well it was also provided excuse me at the same time as well it was also provided to the housing committee and the parties on the housing committee um and tomorrow the discussion will be framed around that so i understand that that's why the housing the department of housing published the bill on the website yesterday because that's what the housing will be discussing yesterday and that's what the all of the political parties and all in the housing committee would have had from last week um the the updated and the final bill which was called the rockers and doll it's been through its final um framing as such in advance have been introduced to the rockers and doll and that'll be published then in a few days days time when that's ready all right so listen it's a necessary part of the legislative process but everything and listen everything is is massively stressful i'm very conscious of that but i don't think in relation well and whenever the housing committee are going to be discussing it tomorrow and discussing this that's why i believe believe that they they was put on their website okay thank you very much for your time minister charlin mcconnellogue there and and the key takeaway for me it's what i heard from leo for ad car is he sat opposite me in this chair and and sort of in the absence of clarity for for minister charlin mcconnellogue is it seems is there a general acceptance that we're not talking about a 100% uh 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think it's important that um you know people don't get carried away with what was going out last night we saw it all all over social media has taken full cause last night after 11 o'clock on us um i had to ring charlie myself to find out what the right story was in case there was something that was brilliant news that didn't make its way to us uh which would have been a little bit surprised at but you know the reality was when we distilled it down the two things that was being talked about and hyped up last night was foundations and downsizing let me take foundations first of all we had last week saw uh on the tuesday uh 14th the in sligo and obviously it was the same document that was passed by cabinet in dublum on the same day um that if you took out your foundations you're actually in breach of your grant and you could invalidate your entire application okay so that that was a that was a new low we had never seen that before and the minister clarified that in fairness he says it's not that it's about you have to build on the same footprint yeah but that's not if you read the document as page 33 it's in there it says that you are in breach of your application if you remove the foundations it didn't mention about having to move off the foundations we knew that was a no goer but it was the first time that it was ever said and written in black and white that if you actually removed the foundations even if you replaced them at your own cost you were in breach of the scheme which was absolutely crazy so that was the first thing we said that needed to be ripped out of it we told them that last tuesday we thought that they would at least have that done before they would publish this and put people under additional stress which is why we didn't want to we were we were going to publish it to set now hold off with a few things to dig out here nothing changed it just basically put the same document back out yesterday on the website as what we discussed in its raw form back last tuesday that included so the bottom line for people today is to understand that the only difference that i got clarified from charlie last night is that you wouldn't be in breach of your scheme if you took out and replace the foundations at your own cost yeah but it's at your own cost but that's not the part of the grant until nsei review this which is at least a year down the road and even then they may decide that they don't believe there's a case for foundations to be included so as far as foundations is concerned the only news that's different is that you're not in breach of your grant if you change so this scheme is this scheme and even if they are included even in the if they are included they may also have to come out of your cap right which that's correct right so which makes this for a lot of people i'll tell you fact for a fact i couldn't go on this scheme so i could not find the shortfall me i couldn't so i understand where other people are so this scheme then is destined to fail yeah now you see on the foundations if it gets to the point and our understanding was not in black and white great but i just want to be balanced on this right what we were told all along was if it got to the point that foundations were deemed to be part of the solution to homes which they don't believe is included in that but if nsei came back and deemed it to be part of the necessary solution to remediate homes it would then become an eligible cost and then fds i would put together a figure for foundations as well it's not the only thing is is michael the only thing at this point is is that there's probably very few people that have that feel they can trust the word uh of whomever is making the decisions and that's a huge leap of faith to to sort of say well well hopefully you know darah o brian listen there's a reshuffle coming there's a reshuffle coming when and leo for our car takes over t shock again right so darah o brian might might very well just want to get this through i did what i said i would do we don't know what the attitude of the next minister might be or whoever is around them okay okay it's a tar it's too much of a leap of faith for people who've been on this journey for as long as they've had to think that maybe hopefully that if the nsei think foundation should be included that the minister might be inclined to say right we need to relook at this and then ask others to you know reevaluate building costs i don't think anyone has that trust or faith anymore and for a lot of people if you know yourself michael by the way for a lot of people then today they'll be listening to this and say this is literally back to square one yeah it's so different it's so different and you know the end of the day i don't think it's acceptable even if a statement was made by um minister o brian that you know we've taken this as far as we can stop to the next government that's passing the baton over within government this government have to this time get it right between them and there's no such thing as i'll leave it to me partner to take it the next leg of the journey no more legs of the journey it has to be right this time now and you know that this is where we're saying that there's a change of government that's quiet after this if they don't get it right but i also want to mention the downsizing this was also again i had i had people last night very excited that they now had an avenue for what they saw as a chance to afford to put up their house properly albeit smaller but without having to try to go to the bank with the new the minister says despite his protestations that's off the table the government have no interest in that that's not the impression was given last night and there'll be people i'm sure will ring in the day to validate that the impression given last night by who the foundation were now included and that downsizing was allowed yes of course downsizing is allowed it was always allowed but you're only going to get the grant where did that come from though sorry michael where did where did the people heard from last night from whom that was talking to charlie mcconnell he said i asked him clearly because i know i knew that was going to be a big one asked him clearly would downsizing be an option and he said he's campaigned for it but it's the government are not in favor of it yes now there were people ringing me last night i'll go no further to mention names other than there's a mobile couple that went on social media afterwards again by the name of dawn today the same as my own and they were very clear that downsizing was now on the table and was something that they're going to be able to afford this time round it's no more affordable than it was yesterday or any other day because the only way you of course you can downsize but you're only going to get the grant then for the smaller house that you're downsizing to would still leave you short because it's not a hundred percent yes sorry yeah of course i think i thought it was given sorry michael that when we're talking about downsizing it means that you would get more uh value out of the cap if you were to build the house you know if you were to build the house in its original form sorry i thought i probably should have made that clear right so i just want to be very clear on so say for example your current house size attracts a grant of 300 000 let's say for argument sake right and you say i'm still 60 000 short i don't have 60 000 so what i want to do is take that 300 000 and build the next size house down from that that 300 will afford me buy or to build that's what we've been asking for but that's not what happens so if you go down to your lower house size and say that's what i want to do you the 300 who's uncovered that they say oh sorry we're only giving you 250 for that which means that you're 50 000 short this time on your smaller house it's crazy so what should be if that 300 000 was good enough to hand out in the first place at least let the people go and use that 300 000 to build whatever size there's no appetite for government for that there's no appetite for government for that trawler mcconnell said that so i'm sorry enough to get you coming back there's no good reason coming back that's why they won't allow that that's not financial that's not financial there's no additional money involved yet they'll not do it out of bloody mindedness that's the only explanation for that one that's the most cruel aspect of the whole thing somebody's prepared to compromise on their home size and they'll still force them to go to the bank and look for more money that they can't get right so we don't know if foundations are included at this point we simply don't know that we know that the downsizing option to get better value of the money made available to you that is not going to be on the table so with just those two things in mind not forgetting also not forgetting also the fact that with inflation and with other costs coming out of your grant that for a lot of people if not the majority this is not a 100 percent redress scheme and that's without even getting into the foundation so at what point is the pin pulled that it's conceded that this process and you have to enter these processes and it has to be done and fair play to everyone that did and the amount of work that you and the rest of the team have put into this is is unbelievable and I don't think people really get the full have the full picture of what you have been doing but at what point do we say right we tried and and the pin is pulled and it's time to move on to the next government I can tell you the exactly the point and that'll happen Greg there's a process taking place tomorrow that we have been working day and night on to get ready for that's this compressed pre-legislative scrutiny gives us a one-day shot at it this committee this joint housing committee will hopefully put recommendations forward in our favor to the minister and the minister can consider them and decide to acknowledge and reject them or acknowledge and accept them hopefully he accepts them if he doesn't he we then work with the table amendments that will come as this bill makes his way through the island through the shallot that will be discussed and voted upon then as well now at the end of that process which is the middle of july with the summer recess after their deadline after our attempt tomorrow and after our attempt to get a memos tabled and accepted through the floor of the shallot and the dial if at the end of that in the middle of july it comes along and the scheme is the same as the scheme as now and is not as we called right this time that's the final point for this government there is no handling of the baton over to anybody else this government must go and can we be assured can we be assured then if they did say for instance it include downsizing but they said look you know we'll know about the foundation sort of the start of next year and you know as well as I do start of next year is the middle of next year could be the start of 2024 would does that have to be changed as well are you prepared to accept accepting this deal on the promise that the NSA will look at this and may include foundations and the the housing minister may revise the scheme to to up the amount of money available for foundations there's a as I say Michael again there's a there's a lot of leaps of faith here even if some of the other stuff is addressed are you prepared to take that leap of faith when I say you I mean the campaign yes yes well what we've been doing in that situation say we know we can't put the gun to NSA I haven't say it gives an answer tomorrow so if there if their timeline is a year's time then we need an interim solution right now that plays on the safe side that means that you play it safe there is an intervention by the minister at this stage to say while we're waiting on approval from NSA I we're going to play it safe and we're going to do the right thing we're going to take out the foundations we're going to test them we're going to take out the foundations we'll leave ourselves safe and if in a year's time NSA I have evidence to say do you know what we didn't really need to do that so be it that's a small amount of money that's spent on foundations compared to houses that are built on bad foundations in a year's time let's play this safe until there's science that says less will do I want to bring Ray and I'm not sure if you want to listen to Ray he he was speaking to channel McConnell last night but I just want to ask one more question um can can houses progress this year until such time as we get these recommendations as it relates to foundations you know we we've talked in the past about you know a two track approach whereby the the most need those in most need that they can progress on the scheme at the same time as investigating the issue as it relates to other problematic materials and foundations surely everything stalled now I wouldn't want my house tossed now and rebuild on those foundations until I heard from the NSA NSA I so effectively is this process stalled until at least the start of next year in your view it shouldn't be stalled it should be allowed to progress but it should be allowed to progress on the safe site so for example the very easy answer right now is until the NSA I come back to say that foundations are to be included there should be an intervention by the master's say we're going to play it safe the safest thing you can do is take the foundations out anyway and even if that's not an eligible cost right now that should be a cost that's recoverable we know for example we moved from the old scheme to the new scheme the old scheme had a cap of 247 and a half thousand the new scheme is 420 thousand that difference we're told will be made up in the new scheme for people that are out that extra money this should be the same thing allow people now to take out the foundations and if they're not prepared to cover the cost of it right now that should be a recoverable cost at whatever time NSA I say yes the home words were right the minister was right you are right to play it safe and if in the other hand they turn around and say you know what science says actually the foundations will be okay which I will eat my hat on because there's enough of evidence from Connecticut from everybody that has been involved in this in other countries and throughout Europe Dr. Andreas Lehman are saying you cannot as you're playing with fire to leave on foundations you've got to play it safe you've got to take them out and you've got to pay people for doing that Ray good morning to you good morning Greg good morning Michael you're a bit confused having had a conversation yourself with the minister last night and what you heard today what's what's at odds Greg I got a phone called 10th the 8th last night me and my wife were upstairs and my phone went and it was on silent I didn't know but I seen the phone call must phone call from Charlie Mcconnell now I don't know I've been texting Charlie for maybe two years maybe three years and continuously regarding the photographs in my house the way we've been left every member and the mica situation and I got a phone call last night a return to call and no answer and then Charlie phoned me back and every question I asked him was regarding are we allowed to take out the foundation was number one my wife standing with me on speakerphone and he says yeah you will be allowed to go to the foundation and the next big question asked him was about liquidating the house uh taking it down to a smaller size of a house and been able to still get the full grant and he approved it turned around he says yeah they're all going to be they're all going to be included in the new well the second one in the second one he said clearly today that that's what he's in favor of but the government's not in favor of it unless I misheard him and on the first point it's not quite as as clear maybe as it was related to you last night Ray because we have to find out if that's what the NSA believe is the case and we won't find that out until at least early next year and then it will be in the gift of the housing minister to decide if the the costings need to be increased to take account of that so you've gone from a a big high last night presumably right back to square one again and I'm a I I'm very sorry if I have any role to play in that I really am Ray no no no not at all not at all I turned around and actually I'd just seen a video on social media from party double he wasn't holding so when I got this news through I sent him a WhatsApp message and he phoned me and I told him party Charlie Mcconnell looks just on and he's saying exactly the opposite from what that draft said last week he says that draft's been altered and changed now and then I had phoned Michael but Michael was in the middle of a meeting and Michael returned to call to me later on and I told him the same thing and Michael says to me well that's not what we've seen the draft that we seen was the one that was produced last week and today what Charlie was saying on the phone is complete different to what everything he told me and my wife last night and I was kind of standing there and I'd love to have been able to phone him while he was on the phone to you and say well that's not what you told me last night because as far as I can see Greg every time you've got him on the phone and I'm a human being if you ask me a question yes or no I'm going to answer the question to the best of my ability you're on there to represent the people of this county and you have to stand up and you have to look what everybody is going through now and they're torturing us all right I'm telling you now I'm at my what's end with and I think that government has to be removed because people's mental torture is going through the roof and nobody's going to be able to take much more of it and I don't care and my own Sanabem and a house with three young children and I've got no house insurance and I'm not allowed to be insured by the insurance now because the house is uninsurable and they're telling me then I forgot it bought again what's the foundations they're not going to insure me again anyway where are you you're in a catch 22 we've got people running this country that are muppets they're they're running the country and they're getting people below them that are so-called educated people and I'm telling you now they're they're more sense and my dog down in the house and there isn't them people right Ray we'll stay set coming out way has got another trap on it and another hook to kind catchy and Mickey try behind you all right listen try and stay strong as you can I know how difficult it is we're all in this together literally we're fighting this together I know but it's not done yet Ray just like look after yourself right and let's see where we're at once we're going through this process because I'm trying to get answers on the record to help and I don't want to be doing the opposite either way but anyway listen you're doing fantastic as it is keep going and we'll see where we end up once we come to the end of this process Greg I just like to say before we leave to a big thank you to Michael Daugherty and to make a grip on Polly Dover because without them we wouldn't even be where we are today yeah all right good man Ray take care of yourself all right take care look after yourself yeah Greg just an account come on there I think that's why this was important this morning uh and it was Ray I was referring to there I'm going to talk to about you know one of the phone calls one of about half a dozen of phone calls last night and uh I think it's important at least that we're also people that's what we have tried to do all along it may not be great news but when Ray told me and with a level of excitement there was any voice uh it was galling to have to settle him Ray I just wouldn't get excited yet because this just doesn't it just doesn't smell right based on what I know what's happened so far which is why and in fairness Charlie did I messaged Charlie I sent on the message that Ray sent me I sent it on to Charlie and I said you know is this right this is not my understanding and he did phone back but then you know um it was it was the clarity and it was again with the knowledge that I have of it just pretty long unfortunately involved as I have been that I was able to ask a second and third questions that exposed the flaws and the flaws being the foundations are really nothing different until NSEI come back downsizing you can do all you could always do downsizing but they're only going to give you the money for the smaller house that was the devil in the detail that really scuppered the dreams that Ray had based on what he was led to believe last night I just hope they start factoring the human element of this because it's the damage it's causing and Ray you can tell he's as strong as a Knox but even he is wondering how much more of this messing around can he take and can others take you know and not everyone's motivated to ring in or has the strength to do so like he did and that's the point I was trying to emphasize to Charlie as I left I just hope the way they're handling this they understand that implications this have on real people because the same people were talking about Michael are the same ones that are facing paying an absolute fortune for coal in a house that's hard to heat the same with oil heating going to work and you know yourself paying 230 220 could be 250 soon for petrol and diesel they're facing all the other recessionary feeling problems that we all are and you know this better than anyone Michael I'm not talking to you about that you know what I mean and then trying they don't even have the security of well at least we can pay the mortgage we've got somewhere to live they don't even have that security and it's just it is heartbreaking Michael thanks for your time this morning I'm afraid I'm afraid great good anything I would say what you're saying we would love to think is what's happened at what we're sensing the complete opposite if we read that document again they've actually gone the other way they're saying now that there would be if anything is falsified or if anybody if there's anything found there in that application is falsified that you have penalties of up to 50 000 euro thrown off the scheme recovery of any grant money's paid or up to five years imprisonment that's the sort of language that's been used by this government when people are at their wit's end the same as Ray and the rest of us to try and get this thing right we're then been faced with that sort of language is there and that this government has absolutely no part to play I think going forward and anything here to do with our people and let's just clarify if the NSA NSA I take 2022 and in January or February or March of 2023 say that in their opinion balancing everything up that the foundations are okay that's that the foundations are not included so all right then listen thanks Michael I appreciate your time this morning that's michael dot hearty pier over the microaction group 08 660 25 000 whatsapp some texts to that number give us a call if you want oh seven four nine one 25 000 the nine till noon show with letter Kenny credit union is your bank leaving town letter Kenny credit union is now offering my cu current account and debit mastercard bringing full banking features with no appointment necessary to open your account donnie gall county council in association with bryce and recycling are holding a half-price bulky goods event at caron donna milford and strannola recycling centers from the 20th of june to the 2nd of july during site opening times for more information and opening times visit donnie gall coco 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proper times and who's been tampering with my questions that'll be me croffer tiles castle fin that'll be them oh seven four nine one four three nine four two on the 17th of june we have the all new nissan area in the showroom for one day only make sure to call in and see what you've been waiting for for all these years the ultimate electric car to enter the market now taking orders at iMotors letter kenny and malin live music returns to lyfford old courthouse this saturday the 25th of june for a showcase of local talent join farmer heart any me him nicky duffy lin cambell and paul hannigan for an unforgettable night of music in a unique setting tickets on sale now at lyfford old courthouse dot com you know it's hard not to be cynical i mean how if you were strategizing do you kick this down the road to get it out past the october budget the country might well be in a much difficult financial state it'll be harder to sort of garner support for campaigns potentially like the defective blocks one how do you kick that can down the road will you say foundations okay let the nsa decide just and that's 2022 out the window effectively perhaps even much of 2023 if they say look we need to do some more reports here this is a multi billion euro project we need to just make absolutely sure throw it on to the next government slap you know that's the i'm not saying that's what's happening but if you were to strategize how to make this go away for the rest of this year so you can have your summer recess and you can focus on october's budget um that's probably how you would do it anyway okay we're going to take a break because we've got the news and obituary notices and i have um it's hundreds of messages that have come in over the course of the last hour and i understand that maybe you know not everyone listening is directly affected by the defective block scheme but if you're not please don't tune out because this is your money as well that's being spent on this and the whole motivation around this is of course to get people back into safe homes because they're losing the homes through no fault of their own but also uh to make sure that the money our hard and money is spent correctly in doing so right we'll be back with the next hour after these live on air online and on the highland radio app this is highland radio news good morning i'm akilah clark with the news at 10 o'clock minister charlie mccanlough says it will be early next year before the inclusion of foundations in the enhanced micro redress scheme is confirmed he says houses are not required to be built on the existing foundations of a property but rather the footprint the national standards authority of our nint has been tasked to provide scientific and engineering advice on the presence of other materials identified in homes minister mccanlough told today's nine to noon show that this evidence will shape how the substances should be treated and subsequently impact change in legislation which could include foundations what the legislation provides for is that foundations can be included um on the basis that the is465 if there is 465 um uh as they've ended to include that that would be based on the the science and engineering advice which isn't available yet um the national standards authority have been asked to do that as well the pRO of the micah action group has warned that there needs to be a change in government if the right redress scheme cannot be delivered michael dowherty says the government acted in bad faith by publishing the revised effective concrete blocks bill yesterday the same version he says homeowners were shown last week when they were given promises their feedback would be added to an amended final version tomorrow a shortened form of pre-ledges slate of scrutiny if off the bill is due to get underway michael dowherty says time is running out for the government to fix homes if you don't get it right this time then we're going to have to do something different and it's just the same as anything else if you can't change the government and change their mind they've got to change the government and change the people and get people on there that'll take this thing seriously and get the job done we will not be given any more chances to this government garter resources are further diminishing in west on a goal this week it emerged that the patrol car in fulcara has now reached end of life with no current plan to replace it meanwhile dunfana he has been without a car since october which was also used to serve the creaselot area in the event of an emergency garter cars will now have to travel from either millford or gi door canter michael mclafrey says the lack of resources simply spells disaster this is a total lack of respect now for the first of all in garter's economy all the end alongside that then lack of respect to wealth of the community and i've asked you to pretend with this many many times everybody's passing the book and well it's at crunch point now nobody wants to take responsibility all i can see going forward is disaster and in the first day as well as the police for the people in the area 10 yards out there are no patrols here milk find at the house of a couple whose bodies were discovered in tibirari has indicated they could have died in late 2020 the bodies of 81 year 29 year old wife hillary are now believed to have gone undiscovered undiscovered for more than 18 months gardier looking to speak with the last person they were in contact with in the hopes of establishing a concrete timeline southern correspondent with the irish independent ralph regal says it's also hoped a toxicology report will provide more clarity we understand that the post mortems have been inconclusive and that toxicology and laboratory results are going to be critical it now looks as if the couple may have been dead inside the house for up to 18 months and that's another focus of the garter investigation to try and determine 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child and family agency responsible for improving well-being and outcomes for children has said the total number of children in care under a voluntary agreement in donagol stood at 41 at the end of 2021 those figures i believe are correct aren't they yes yes those figures are correct greg and i think it's important to see those figures in the context of the actual full numbers of children in care in the county and if you go back even in five years you were talking about 214 children at that point we reached a peak last year of 226 as we speak today there's 218 children in care now and actually the general trajectory of children in care is actually on the downward spiral what has happened in terms of the use of voluntary care there's certainly an increase there and there was an increase last year and it's both the important thing to ask is what is voluntary care well voluntary care is actually when parents or carers agree with us that their child needs to be in care for a period of time in order to help keep their child safe and in order to actually allow us to work with the family to allow the child to go back again and put services in place yeah so the breakdown then of children in caring donagol and those in care through a voluntary agreement then just so i'm clear on those figures yeah you've mentioned the figures there and like if you if you go through those 226 in total of which 41 are in care through a voluntary that's correct and so and greg when when when we get involved with the family in terms we've received a referral about a concern about a child you know we've got an intake team that actually goes through those concerns make sure the evidence is there to support those concerns and we will work with the family then to develop a network so we'll work with them we'll work with their relatives we'll work with other supports that they identify and create a plan with them to help keep their child safe that is our full that's where we put most of our efforts into actually working with families now over time when some children cannot be kept safe and that is when we get into discussions about the need for children to come into care because the level of harm that they're experiencing is not acceptable and so we will then seek agreement from the family um to actually get you know to actually identify a family member in the first instance where the child can actually stay that's least disruptive for the child that's with someone that they know it avoids the courts which can be very litigious and you can enter into battle so it's much more work so after 226 many of those children might be with relations but not their actual parent or parents yes they could be with relations and the majority of relative foster care of relative carers or voluntary care orders sorry are with foster carers or with general foster carers it's yes somewhere with relatives and we try and set up that when we can and and that often works and works very well for the child but often it's not possible within the family network it's a big thing to take on a relative's child um I mean obviously you're not going to have precise statistics in relation to this but every year children will come under the care of Tusla in Donegal absolutely and you're saying the figure is uh steady or a downward trajectory so uh what what normally happens to children who are no longer in care do they come of age where uh they're no longer um you know under the control of not control but under the umbrella of Tusla sure are they returned to their families or you know do they are they moved outside of Donegal how do the you know the the the out the outbound yeah children versus the inbound how so so any child who comes into into care Greg um the the first and foremost thing that we try and do is reunite the child with their carers that that's the most important thing and every year a child has a child in care review where the the plan is reviewed for that child and every year we ask is it possible for the child to go home that's the first question that's asked and those meetings are chaired independently so we actually get a good independent assessment of that um the other thing though that's very important and it's the question about what works best for children and young people in general so what works best for young people is that they're in a secure safe predictable environment and where that cannot be provided by carers then yes there are a cohort of children who end up in long-term care and Tusla at the moment are working very hard around looking at the permanency pathways for young people where they can feel most secure and most safe and can actually reach their potential within that permanency whatever route that is and that route can be staying with a relative that route can be going home that can be voluntary care with foster carers or can be long-term care with foster carers and so there are many different pathways but the most important thing is which is best for the child and what helps them develop to their potential now when a child reaches 18 and they become a young adult in fact when they're hitting 16 and they're likely to be in care still when they're 18 um we have a leave in an aftercare service that actually works with the young people that helps to transition them into young adulthood there's actually supports available right up to the age of 23 um that will actually support people through third level education it will it has funding attached to it in terms of if those young people are in a foster placement it's natural for them to continue that foster placement beyond their 18th birthday that happens as well and that and then they're supported and through the transition through to independent living i was um speaking to one of us it never made air it was just uh private private contact because they were um they were they were struggling and they felt they were struggling as they had um i think it was two children with additional needs uh they couldn't get the support that they needed from the state from government uh and they felt that they weren't able to cope and i don't know how it turned out but um my understanding is they said they were going to uh seek a voluntary agreement with Tootler because they simply couldn't cope on their own and they weren't getting uh the support that they needed from the HSA how common is that in donningall i mean we do come across situations and especially during covid when you know we all know the effects of covid and the devastating impact they've had and if you had families with children who had special needs um they struggled even more during covid because you know the services that they required actually weren't accessible because of covid so you had a lot of families struggling um very much at home so we actually we we have meetings where we meet with the HSE and we have a joint protocol with them and we talk about these cases um where there are young people with special needs parents are struggling they're not getting the services that they require and ultimately there's a risk of those placements breaking down like the example you've mentioned and children coming into care now during covid we actually spoke with the HSE about a cohort of those cases we engaged the services of the bluestack foundation down in county donningall who we fund to provide services into families with special needs and we were delivering out packs for young people with special needs during covid via the bluestack foundation they're a fantastic organization in south donningall and i'm sure you've you're aware of them um and basically what we managed to do with our colleagues in the HSE was actually come up with a respite package for a cohort of families that were actually struggling but there is no doubt that access to services is an issue and for is it uncommon or regular that this might happen i think i think it's fairly common that families experience difficulty in access to services could you could determine say for instance of the 226 children in care what proportion of those could be because the families felt they didn't have the supports to be able to care for those children it's actually a very small portion that's okay that was the question it's uncommon but it does happen yeah and what we need to understand there that the reason for our children being in care in donningall and the main reasons for that haven't actually changed over five years and and that's really about you know that's related to substance misuse mainly alcohol addiction and related problems around domestic violence is the pathway for a child to be returned to their mother or father or both is it does it need working on does it work very well you would know there's very vocal people around the country very active campaigns that feel that you know children can be too quick to be taken off parents and parents can find themselves completely cut out of their lives and you know it could be another it could be a another person in the child's life that they might feel the misrepresent to them and it's very complex it's complex there's just no doubt about that but does too so do this work good enough to as you say get people children back when it's a safe environment with their their mom or dad or both I think Craig we we have a practice model that we use working with families that's called signs of safety that is very much a strengths based model and working with families and we start with their strengths we don't start with their weaknesses so we actually look at what's strong what's good what can we build on within the family to allow children to stay with their families and when we want to take a child into care and the parents don't agree that that case ends up in the courts and then you get a guardian I'd like them appointed by the courts as an independent course in that scenario it's going to be Tuzla's word versus the parents though yeah absolutely and I think we know which way judge is most likely to come down there but that but what we get into Greg we have a care plan for every young person in care and if our care plan is long-term care we have to convince the courts and our care plans are tested to the nth degree and particularly by the guardian at Lightham who also has legal representation and rightfully so our our plans are tested we're asked all the questions we're recommending a very serious thing and taking a child away from their their carers it's it's the but you know the most draconian thing you can actually do but we're doing it for the safety welfare of that child who otherwise is going to actually suffer significant harm and that's what we do it but the courts have the ultimate say in that matter and they do test us and if you speak to if you speak to my social workers in Dunne Gall or across the west and what they'll say to you in terms of you know the thing that they find the toughest in their job the toughest situation has been cross-examined in court and being tested in terms of what they're planning that's right though Greg it should be like do all the the children in Dunnegall under Tussle's care that require a designated social worker to they have access to one yes um what we've struggled with more recently Greg is um the recruitment of social workers so as we currently speak nationally there is not enough social workers being coming out of the universities to actually fill all the vacancies that we have but in terms of a child's welfare you know you've seen how we can you've seen how we can react when we need to absolutely there should be no gap here yeah no absolutely and there should be a consistency there where possible as well absolutely and when we even if we have cases that are unallocated we actually use if we haven't a social worker we'll use a social care worker to go out and visit that child maintain the relationship make sure everything is going you know but there are going to be parents listening who will know that child hasn't had no access to a social worker for a long time yeah I think Greg even when a child is unallocated in the system it doesn't mean that we do not have contact with that but do you understand where I'm coming from your organization is charged with protecting children absolutely and caring for children in the absence of that care being provided for them at home now maintaining and supporting their emotional and psychological well-being would be a I would have imagined a fundamental part of that care yeah absolutely and in some cases you're actually failing in that regard I think I think Greg when we've got children in the care system yes as I explained we've got care plans for those children that identifies all of their needs and remember these young people are in the care of most of them in the care very experienced foster care I know I just do this with politicians Jerry and I really don't want to do it with you where we run around and answer different give different answers to different questions I'm asking you clearly there is a problem where some children have not yet been allocated a social a social worker many have their social worker changing on a regular basis it's kind of can be a little bit patch patchworky okay that needs to be fixed there's no I don't think there's any way to talk that's absolutely that needs to be fixed and we are we rely on you to care for these children when they can't get that care absolutely so what needs to be done to fix that Jerry and nationally we need to make sure that we you know we're working with universities that we're actually got a recruitment and retention policy for social workers that makes sure that we have enough numbers coming through to actually fulfill the tasks that are required so we need to do that and we have you know we have a recruitment policy at the moment that's working very hard with universities that's working hard with the local universities and Dunnegal Greg we offer you know all the graduates this year coming out of colleges and social work have been offered a contract by Tuskla to come in and work to address the deficits that are there and we are working closely with staff groups you know what social I mean are you competitive with you know other sectors that have are putting also in offers for these social workers absolutely we're very competitive right how you know I mean obviously as you say there's a there's a figure there it's hopefully a downward trend yeah that's the cases that we're catching if you know I mean not cases but the you know the situations we're catching how are we doing so and what could we be doing more in terms of making sure that that children that need our care or help are getting it yeah it's it's very important at the outside Greg if you look at our referral rates in terms of Dunnegal and what comes into us we've increased this year to about 41 referrals per week which was about 35 last year and a bit lower the year before that so referral numbers are going up that to me is a good sign that you know the reports are increasing there are a bit of post COVID catch-up though where I think things weren't being spotted because schools weren't running for example absolutely there's a bit of that GPs maybe you know they're they're not being able to see signs in their surgery because they're doing it over the telephone absolutely and there was and that was always a concern during COVID that that was going on but our referral rates are now back and they're higher than what they were before so so it's very important that you know anybody who's got a wealth or concern about a child that they report in there is the Toosla website Toosla.ie that's explains to everybody very clearly how to actually make a report our biggest referral agent is the GARDI and that's because they're out and about in the community and they report and stuff through but they catch it they catch it arguably very late um so well it depends I mean after I imagine you know we know the path of domestic abuse for example how it can accelerate and by the time the guards get to a scene yeah you just wonder what might have happened beforehand but listen it's not one size fits all but I know there's a range of situations that they report to us that can be you know some families can already be in crisis sometime it's early on the important thing is that there's a response we assess it and we find those children who are who are actually you know suffering harm and need the supports and we work with those families to give the supports that we can to help them stay at home okay Jerry unless there's anything you want to add yeah and I think from you mentioned children in care Greg I think I couldn't sit here and not talk about the foster carers who care for these children and one of the things we struggle with in addition to you know the the staff and problems that we have at the moment is recruitment of foster carers and I would encourage people out there in the community you know we need foster carers we need people to care for these children they need loving happy homes and I'd encourage you to make inquire inquiries if you're thinking about fostering and the number you can phone there is is 0749123701 and we talked about reporting concerns into Toosley there's a method for doing that on Toosley.ie but you can also contact our intake service and that's a team dedicated to taking referrals in and their numbers 0749123672 and it's very important that people report any concerns that they have for the sake of our children yeah okay listen thank you very much for your time this morning Jerry I appreciate it that's Jerry Holm there he's regional chief officer for Toosley West Northwest and we're back with more shortly. 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us thank you thank you and it's all very exciting times isn't it tiana uh you're part of a group of uh ruffo town football club players you're in the under 15s is that right we're under 16s under 16s okay and uh yous are all heading out to austria how many are you heading out there uh tiana 11 players plus the two coaches okay and tell us why what's happening over there it's a tournament about culture diversity and it's conflict countries trying to find common ground through football right and exciting isn't it it's exciting stuff Ella i think you're the only team in arland going out aren't you uh we're the only team in the republic of arland yeah and then there's the crusaders going from northern arland then and what do we know about what's going to happen so we had a meeting a while back with des and trevor and Hugh and they were telling us the activities that we're going to be doing and everything looks great it's on the itinerary that we got so we're all looking forward to that there and there's going to be kind of team building exercises with the other clubs and then there's going to be a joint training session and then a match on on the sunday so good stuff we're looking forward to that yeah and i'm sorry everyone the tackles will still be going in it's not going to be old friendlies of course right and i'll stay with you before bringing kaha and tiana back in here um you uh have been playing for a few years now with with the club you were topscoring under 14s yeah then injured now you're getting back to fitness it's been a topsy turv for a few years for you sports wise so incidentally i'm getting back to it because i was out there for about three months so yeah i'm just glad to be back and in your case i like is this something you know at a good level that you'd like to do you know when you're teen years whilst you're doing everything else or do you see a future playing um i love playing football it's like because i've played it all my life so you never know what could happen yeah all right it's okay some people are over talented carers one of them uh as well as being a defender and midfielder carer uh you are also pretty good athletics as well aren't you yeah i really enjoy i also play badminton and hockey and i play like badminton at the high performance level and i'm like trying to get on the irish teams and travel around the country to play in badminton yeah so you're well traveled through the other sports that you're interested in too but this is something different this is extra exciting isn't it yeah and i also love football and i love the team that i play with and the girls and i i came from a different school than most of the girls and it's just like a few of the best friendships that i've ever made yeah and a great way to meet new people it's difficult moving into a new school isn't it but if you find something a common interest it's great isn't it all right okay so you're excited for this uh tiana you're a goalkeeper with the under-16s as well uh but i'm not saying that you've also been involved with the senior women's squad is that correct yeah how did that come about because you are still pretty young yeah they're looking for an extra goalkeeper because you only have one yeah it's like a side goalkeeper and play with them sometimes right and what was that what's that like where do you have to travel for that for the training in games no no it's just in the same place as my under 16 team right brilliant stuff rougher but it's more fun yeah and you've kind of been flagged haven't you as being you know an emerging talent by the fai which is really exciting isn't it yeah i love it have you always been a goalkeeper or did you play outfield or no i used to play outfield when i first started when i was 11 yeah i used to play in midfield and then i used to do half and half and then i became mostly a goalkeeper and you're happy with that yeah all right okay what's all right yeah it's the defense and everything else fails it's all right tiana's got this yeah okay but i when you've played out like i'm not saying goalkeepers have to do an awful lot don't get me wrong right but you know when you've been out playing in midfield and what have you maybe a bit more action-packed say you're playing behind a really good team you might not see as much action as you would like but you've got used that you don't mind that you'll shout in orders from well i do have a lot to do it for you know do you i love to do my bad all right all right okay that's just another kick up the bomb to the girls outfield is it right yeah and come here do you think like i know this is a festival and all but do you think there were there scouts attend these type of events do you think or are they trying to keep it on on point because how often you know if you were scouting how often are you going to get the some of the best players in different countries all into one spot i mean could happen yeah could you never know right mainly for the fun though okay so you kind of ran through what's coming up so tell us how things wendy's travel out um what way you know what kind of stuff he's going to be doing do you know much about that yet um we travel on thursday right on our flights on friday very early we should have set the arrive at the accommodation at 12 at about two o'clock aren't you combination at 12 and then it's going to be it's going to be fun and then down to the game um it's the uh raffle town football club for our listeners is as we've mentioned it's the only team from the republic of island taking part in the girls football festival the other seven uh are european countries that will be represented our bosnia and herzegovina and montenegro syria kruisher greece northern island and austria i mean just to meet different people from different places with different backgrounds it's going to be fantastic isn't it um is it around robin or just one game that you're playing on the sunday then we're not sure it was more like matches as a tournament so it's probably going to be round robin and then whoever comes out top yeah exactly and what do you think uh you're the straight talker here tiana our chances yeah well who's the captain on this team as well it's it's not you isn't we don't don't have an under 15 team it's an under 16 team it's kind of new farm so we don't have a captain yet brilliant stuff and um in terms of your actual playing for your club uh where are you in terms of the season and all that type of stuff um we have actually have a match on tonight stop doing against moray so we're actually playing um we're starting to get we're just starting to get into the season at the minute and then it like started off as a bumpy start as a new team yeah and then once we got into the season and we started playing some super games so we're actually picking off ourselves now in the league table and hoping to head into the top part of the table brilliant good stuff because there's so many different sports looking for you aren't there you know uh that you know it's it's hard to you have to really be committed to it don't you especially and it's it's clear that you are well listen it's all very very exciting um there's 11 years in total going out and two we're about this Friday yeah but there's 11 obvious team players and then there's two coaches isn't yeah um can i just thank you yes i carry anything you want all of you whatever you just want to say just say now we're here and the dunnegoth sports partnership for giving us this opportunity and then we couldn't do it without Liam and Shanaid there they're probably sitting watching us at the minute but they also put so much work into it and then that Ronan and Shanaid are well home tiered to take a group of us away um because it may be tough but we're so excited to go yeah all right anything you want to say to yana i think soccer mom's over the top soccer mom's okay well true i am from home yeah all right Ella um no just the whole club for and and the coaches we're putting up with this now and we're going away but listen come here the journey's overnight it's not ideal but at least you get into accommodation nice and early and you've got full day then yeah you know okay listen brilliant well done to you as all well done to the club itself uh representing the republic of Ireland i mean that's really quite significant isn't it you know so it's a brilliant thing and it sounds like it's a very useful event hopefully maybe we'll talk to someone after you've come back to sort of get a sense of what uh was going on but for now uh tiana hanigan uh goalkeeper uh car eating defender midfielder and Ella mccarran midfielder and forward all three if you thank you so much for coming in and uh safe travels and i hope you have a fantastic time thank you thank you for having you the nine till noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union offering low-rate car loans with fast approval apply online at 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of the crew as well obviously we couldn't get all 11 plus the coaches in uh and i think the three girls there represented all of them really really well okay let's go through some of these comments that have been coming in so far this morning because as i said earlier on we want to make sure we give them the platform they deserve what happens when you are referred to tucilla regarding your child's attendance at school we've had a referral made to tucilla because our child has missed so many days they have a medical condition that is a box ticking exercise in my experience of talking to people uh lots of young ones were off for over 21 days uh for various reasons through covid and you can't not contact parents because covid is around because then you could miss situations where the children are in bother and i know a lot of parents took umbrage at that going hold on a second you know they were they had this and that and the other but then if suppose if you think about it if they didn't check they could miss situations so as i say my understanding is it's quite a simple process and it's like oh right okay that makes sense right let's go to the comments about uh let's go to the comments about lots of different ones coming in i want to go to the comments about the defective blocks scandal that we are living through at the moment uh can greg please ask charlie about the work life balance bill where they are looking to change the word woman for the constitution passing uh this bill without any consultation with the people and this needs to be explained that conversation maybe for another day nobody could believe the torture the micro families are going through let this be the last of it says a texture another the government are going to do what they want and it won't matter what the people need or want that's always been the way everyone knows that well you know what you can see what's happening over in uh britain at the moment um the rail unions have risen up they're they're they're they're out and they've been well led actually and they are saying no hold on yet you're the billionaires government um we're not actually just going to take what you're saying we're gonna we're gonna strike and i see the likes of the sun newspapers and others turning on them calling the marxists no matter of things but the public actually the majority of the people actually support the likes of the rail unions in their strike and i think there's a movement happening over there and you know what i can see it happening here where ordinary people ordinary workers simply say you know enough is enough i'm not going to just type about it i'm actually going to get involved in something that's going to make a change it it's happening over there at the moment i can see that even growing bigger um because the the government is taking a stance they're using the media their media can you imagine buying a newspaper a controlled newspaper i can't understand any person would do that but that's what they have uh and who are trying to demonize the strikers and and they're going to try and take them on they're heading to the 80s again some of you will be old enough to remember the minor strikes somewhat happy i think that's the road they're going down again uh over there but you know maybe people over here would say we don't have to accept certain things uh call us as disgraceful begrudgery they know what's happening to our houses they know what effect it's having on homeowners and their families and yet they prevaricate nitpick and spout hot air the money involved equates to the increased money the talking in taxes and duty from the recent increases and diesel it's sickening says that caller another believes that this is not redressed thank you for recognizing this greg you're going to be scammed by this rubbish either or you're not going to how can charlie mcconnell low sleep at night this is people's lives they're gambling with would charlie be happy to move into a crumbling micro home with his children and no uh and i'm sure he's been through uh is fair share through this process as a well i mean there is a point now maybe at this moment where politicians can make a very strong argument to fight from within you know uh mark mcshary for example can't do much now outside the the fina for parliamentary party just becomes an opposition voice so if you want to make i know this is no criticism of deputy mcshary by the way i'm just talking to the logic that you stay within and you fight the corner of the people that elected you from within but there comes a point then when that fight is lost uh and then it comes to a point whereby a government with a very narrow majority uh the dull votes and uh it's whether the government has enough numbers to pass what they want and that is when really the pressure comes on people to do something there's that's when you can actually do something because you can do no more from within and it comes down to you know who to our back here hi greg do tds and all politicians go to a secret school after they're elected where they learn not to answer a question and keep talking and saying nothing doesn't work in their favor i don't know why uh i'm so deflated i feel like throwing the keys to the bank and saying good luck i simply can't take any more of this says this caller uh greg your questioning of charlie mcconnellogue is far too aggressive he's doing his best but he's up against it in doblin as well well my apologies if my question came across as too aggressive i would hope maybe the word might be direct but anyway i respect your view thank you can you ask charlie what will i end up paying to have my house fixed can you ask him will he pay any additional costs associated with this whenever he's sure this is a hundred percent redress this is an absolute joke does he think we came down uh in the last shower i would have to listen back to i would have to listen back to the interview but i don't believe uh minister mcconnellogue used the word 100 percent at any point through that uh i think it was about you know full costs but then of course not driveways not pavements not garages uh you know whatever else might have to go along with this uh and you know the way around that way you can work with home monitors allow them to build a smaller house but access the same size grant they again it's the people that are coming up with real significant compromises by the way uh but ways that this could work a call assess if this scheme was done properly last year it would have been 100 000 cheaper on the government dragging their heels is only seeing costs flying up and making it more expensive for families and the government ask charlie to answer straight will i get anything for my 45 000 euro shed that i saved every penny i had for it i unless i heard wrong i think that was actually given as an example of what would be an additional cost to the homeowner a call that says many people are in denial on the mica issue will they in five years time be allowed to apply for the scheme yeah it's a good question uh when we get a scheme maybe we can ascertain that i know it's probably in that document but i i wasn't able to go through it all uh a call assess the foundations are not included unless the nsi include them in a year's time when it's reviewed i just have a sense where that's going and as i say this pushes this whole thing into 2022 if that's 2023 that's what it feels like to me new government effectively cabinet reshuffles new leader hi greg why doesn't charlie just say the government are holding off on paying until the next election and make themselves look good that's why he won't answer the questions thanks greg uh charlie mcconnellogues days are numbered he'll not get the votes from the people for not standing with them charlie mcconnellogues is a fina full representative there's a lot of fina full voters uh in this county and um you know he i presume he would enjoy the support of the majority of those unless i might very much mistaken uh so it's nothing's a fate to complete it also depends who else might be standing who maybe could be from former fina full ranks who's to say what could happen there do i have to build on the same foundation or can i build a different house same footprint i think is what they said greg i agree that everyone should get 100 to replace the size of the house they decide to build if we decide to downsize give what that size of house would cost this is costing billions and a large proportion of buildings not even included yet a few more here uh something badly rung if you can't put up a house with 420 000 even with inflation okay but you have to take out uh you you potentially there's a lot of i mean everyone knows what goes into building a house plus engineers fees uh and all the other stuff uh that has to come out of that 420 it doesn't belong being gobbled up how many deadlines is the mica group going to give the government after 10 years they're not going to budge just bring them out you have the people power behind you in fairness to them you do kind of have to you know this there's still towing and throwing that scheme has been changed a little over the last week i think you kind of have to find out what the final final thing is don't you um that would be prudent i would imagine okay anyway listen um still more of your calls and comments to come really appreciate you sharing your views on such an important matter to you with us let's take a break we'll come back with the news we've got live music coming for you between 11 and 12 a really popular singer you won't want to miss that the 90 noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union with monster loans available up to 60 000 euro for all occasions visit letter kennycu.ie have you bought your ncbi radio bingo book yet contribute to this fantastic charity and be in with a chance to win daily cash prizes of 400 euro books are now 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be built on the existing foundations of our property but rather the footprint a special meeting of donning all county council is to be held on monday kehirla councillor jack moray has requested the meeting to discuss the interagency response in donning all to the ukrainian crisis garada resources are diminished in further in west donning all this week it emerged that the patrol car in fulcara has now reached end of life with no current plan to replace it meanwhile donfana he has been without a car since october which was also used to serve the crease the area and the event of an emergency garada cars will now have to travel travel from either milford or gridore the number of children in care in donning all has slightly decreased from a peak at the end of last year 226 children were in care in the county at the end of last year that is down to 218 according to latest figures investigations are underway until a large fire in the water side area of dairy last night the blaze at the site of a number of unfinished homes at dunfield terraced was reported at around 8 10 p.m in specter schwanson says there are no reports of any injuries however if not for the work of the fire service the outcome could have been different for residents in the immediate area and their homes and finally a new beach wheelchair has been added to bund oren's blue flag main beach for this summer season the wheelchair which is adapted to suit soft sandy conditions will be available for people with mobility restrictions to enjoy the beach that's all for now we'll be back with mornings at 12 o'clock all right emma thank you very sorry did you want to say no name or anything no no i'm all good i could have crossed you i don't know it's just been one of those mornings all right emma take care we'll be back out with wellness wednesday talking about home birthing options that's with our guest megan rise coming up after the break the 90 noon show with letter kenny credit union now offering my cu current 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sweet treats it's the perfect family day out normal gate fees apply no booking required season pass and go pass holders enter free come along to the saturday stretch this saturday at oakfield park okay on wellness wednesday we're talking about home births and we're joined now by meghan rice founder of transforming birth donnie gall good morning to you meghan thanks for joining us good morning greg thanks for having me on right okay so what is the situation for a woman in donnie gall who wishes to have a home birth is that possible at the moment no it's not possible at the moment unfortunately how does that compare nationally before you explain the background to that meghan of course yeah um so the national maternity strategy um 2016 to 2026 included um rollout of home birth across the country um along with many elements of the national maternity strategy um that has been slow to come or entirely absent um in terms of progress made um so a very small number of women nationally um to you know have the opportunity to give birth at home um though many more um would potentially like to yeah why why would someone might why might someone want to have a birth at home rather than a hospital do you know where you would you know uh where you'd have all the teams on hand god forbid if anything were to go wrong during the process of course yeah um so the reason why some women choose to home birth um is has many different facets to it but the primary one is not having to leave the comfort of your own home um the large body of international research evidence that shows um that it is a safe option and also that it leads to fewer interventions um a much reduced rate of cesarean section which carries its own long-term risks for women um so there's lots and lots of reasons in the buildup presumably the comfort of where you are and also immediately afterwards you're still in that familiar surroundings and your life with your young one begins at home immediately yeah of course and they um evidence shows that the being in your own home and in your familiar settings optimizes your body's own ability to produce the hormones that are necessary um to start birth and to keep it going productively as well yep lots of people and i know myself firsthand have been in that experience during child birth where something goes wrong and um thankfully uh the teams are on hand there to intervene very very quickly uh and you know get the baby straight into ICU or whatever might be required it's their same haven't obviously not the same level as well what happens in a home birth situation if such an an event arises just and this is actually for maybe for people who would be that might be why they're nervous uh for doing this at home for example of course yeah i think um there's a few points there the first one is um all women who uh approach their midwife or their hospital looking to home birth are risk assessed um so only women with straightforward low risk singleton pregnancies are typically cleared for home birth um so any of the usual high risk scenarios breach births uh twins a woman with a history of high blood pressure things like that would all be risked out to start with so they would be birthing um either you know in an obstetric unit or a shared care unit ideally um but if something does go wrong at home and i can speak to this from personal experience um i have been a doula um accompanying women to their births since 2007 um and i worked for many years in the uk where home birth is far more accessible um i witnessed firsthand um a woman who hemorrhaged um very shortly after birth and i have to say um the midwives handled it wonderfully they had her stabilized long before the paramedics arrived uh which was fairly quickly yeah um i mean people forget that midwives are highly trained medical professionals of course that's in the case of the mom no i don't think anyone on this call suggested such that's uh yeah that's in case of the mothers what about in the event you know that there might be an issue with the baby do they have equipment with them what happens in that scenario they do um so they would have a full neonatal resuscitation um equipment that they would bring with them and the other thing at a home birth there are always two midwives um so in a hospital you might be lucky to get one rushing in and out you might be seeing you know 30 or more patients at a time at your home birth you have two dedicated midwives one is just for you and one is just for your baby are they hsc provided or do you have to source them yourself so the hsc does provide home birth in a very small number of areas the coverage area is small and it's shrinking uh regularly and the primary provider for home births in ireland at the moment are private midwives ireland who provide an excellent service unfortunately it can only be availed of if you can afford it yeah which is not fair and not in line with the national maternity strategy is it's not a little bit too much though uh you know yourself the pressures there on that the healthcare system in terms of actually staffing and recruitment and all that kind of stuff and retention at this time to sort of ask for additional services you know outside of the centres of excellence because every decision we argue about here on this programme to do with health is about the centres of an excellent of excellent and presume the hsc might say well you know the centre of excellent the safest place is in maternity unit in an acute hospital is it is it's realistic to be seeking them to sort of say right okay let's go down the home birth route at this time um so i think staffing is one of the primary um prerequisites for home birth um also for any kind of birth i mean maternity units at the moment are ridiculously understaffed um and the hsc and the government are doing quite frankly a terrible job in terms of recruitment and retainment if covid has taught us anything uh it has shown us that when you know things hit the fan the money can magically be found um so if this was a priority for them and if they had any intention of fulfilling their national maternity strategy in time for 2026 the money would be found and part of the big problem with retainment in you know retention and recruitment is they're not paying midwives nearly what they should be um midwives and nurses make a deplorable wage for the amount of work that they do the very high skilled work that they do now unfortunately donagall doesn't have a fully midwife led unit in donagall as a birthplace option other other areas do where does this sit you know uh in in this conversation that is separate to home births but it's not a hospital environment is that it correct yeah so a midwife led unit is like a um midway point if you will so they're typically co-located um with hospitals although they don't have to be but they typically are so that just in the event something does go unexpectedly wrong people can be brought straight into the obstetric unit at the hospital um they're staffed exclusively by midwives and they have been shown in again many many international studies to be as safe or safer um for women with a straightforward healthy pregnancy particularly if it is their not their first child and for interestingly for babies um they have been shown to be as safe as birth on an obstetric unit so is this then about the experience Megan or is it about outcomes or what you know because as I've mentioned before and I don't want to labour the point and there's no no pun intended there at all of course that we do have the hospitals there right and we have the acute hospital system and yet we're looking why are we looking if I know you talked about how it's probably a better environment and everything but but why is it so important that we would campaign to have home birth or to have the establishment of a a midwife a midwife led unit in this region for example do you know like what is the advantages other than it might be a better experience yeah well um midwife led units for one um have also been shown to reduce healthcare costs um you know including in places like the US whose healthcare system is extremely um you know expensive so if it can do there it can do it anywhere um they've been shown to reduce healthcare costs um and also the international right of women to choose where how and with whom they birth has been non-existent in Ireland is there a distrust of the hospital network too is that a factor in this at all I think to some extent there is um I'm going to be very blunt here uh and say that there's a lot of birth trauma for women coming out of Irish hospitals um women who feel they haven't been listened to women who have been perhaps coerced um into procedures with fear-based information rather than evidence-based information um and women who come away feeling very traumatized with very little support and they would like to have more agency over their births going forward so I mean this campaign is not starting from square one this is a call really for recommendations the recommendation to have the option of home birth integrated into the maternity network the recommendation is there so that's really where this is at act on that recommendation those who are in favour of this of course yeah absolutely I mean this has already been discussed at length uh one forming the national maternity strategy um and other groups including Ames Ireland uh and the midwives association of Ireland you know put in absolutely Trojan work to go over the evidence um informing the national maternity strategy um when they spoke before different councils um as the government was forming it unfortunately the government seemed to have had little to no will um to fulfill most parts of the national maternity strategy except in token okay and I understand some listeners testing and talking about you know very sad cases where we're we're the mother or or baby or both passed away during a home birth I don't know if that really adds to the conversation and that's with no disrespect to the Texas because then we could start drawing on well what happens actually you know in hospitals and and people's experiences there and I think once you start talking about that we kind of we do that so much with issues and then we end up we're not actually talking about the issue itself we're just trying to use two extremes to to argue our own points and we get nowhere with that I don't think anyway but I appreciate all text don't get me wrong okay Megan uh any political support for this by the way um you know obviously at the moment it's grassroots um sort of a situation but I mean do we know the position of maybe women within within government or or opposition parties or men within government as well but you know what I mean what politically is the situation here well we have uh written to the ministers regularly with regard to this um we've received no reply from them for their part they always refer us back to the HSE who always refer us back to Celta group who always have some kind of excuse for why they're not going to even approach it at the moment um so nobody wants to take responsibility you see on the face of it from Celta and we know from dealing with them they they will make extremely clinical decisions right they will say well these are centers of accidents this is where people have the best outcome this is where people have to go I think it requires for this to change it would require someone who sort of thinks beyond that do you know there's a different ideology perhaps that balances things up including emotions and feelings and and you know what might be best outside of a clinical setting and I think often with a lot of these issues that's where the the the the things grind to a halt I don't know if you agree or disagree yeah well I think the the current um system are keen to hold on to their monopoly um because that's what it is it's monopoly um the evidence globally does not support the claim that it's the safest um in fact you know there are a lot many studies out there that show that for instance birth on a mid-wifed unit or home birth can be as safe or safer well the only problem with that is that I don't know how they're going to to sort those statistics out because you've already said that you know um it's only plain sailing pregnancies that presumably would qualify to be born to to to babies to be born in midwife midwife led unit and in a home birthing situation so I don't know how we could accurately compare figures because the the hospital system is uh accommodating all so I don't know how how are those figures how can you make that comparison in that with that situation um well I mean the problem with the hospital unit is that absolutely everybody who goes into it goes into it under the assumption that birth is a pathology um that it's not necessarily a natural event that it's something that needs to be managed um Ireland literally invented active management of labour um which has not improved outcomes at all um all it's led to is a higher intervention rate um and in fact poorer um maternal maternal morbidity statements which means you know women who were injured um during birth okay right uh maginda since it's been it's been insightful I appreciate you joining us thank you very much indeed uh if people want more information on transforming birth donagola this this this this campaign or movement or whatever it was the best way to describe it uh grassroots movement if you google uh or search transforming birth donagola and facebook for example I presume you'll stumble upon a page you will yet all right listen as I say thank you very much for your time I appreciate it and if I could just say one last thing Greg go ahead autonomy is the most important so we're not anti hospital birth we are for women having the autonomy to make their own choices about where how and with whom they birth 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how's life that looks pretty good it's pretty full on at the minute that microphone's not working you know how's that ryan yeah lovely lovely yeah so you were telling us how life is at the moment yeah life's pretty good it's pretty busy um i guess uh it's a blessing and a curse it's a blessing because thankfully we're getting back to real life but it's a curse because i was used to sitting static for two years so it's kind of going not to a hundred in about four seconds yeah you know when your name comes up yeah people you know you seem to have a fantastic relationship with your fans and a real loyal fan base you know it's like your success obviously you require the supports of you know radio whatever it might be but there seems to be a particular connection you have with your fans where they're really loyal towards you and you know will follow you anywhere effectively yeah well funny you say that because uh as i was saying earlier uh being a musician it's uh it's a it's not really a morning thing it's a night thing so i don't do well in the mornings and i was uh i was on my way up here and i stopped at a petrol station to get you know diesel and i went in to get a sandwich and i was just had the head on me of a bear and the guy behind the counter was just like i'll have you any gigs today and you kind of i just forgot myself yeah i was like oh i actually can't be that way like you can't have the head i was gonna say normally do you do you get petrol or diesel and they're asking what gigs are coming up yeah yeah and uh that kind of so to that girl i apologize for me with the head like a bear uh but i also appreciate her yeah but you keep it real anyway don't you i mean that's your style isn't it there's no there's no wears and graces i mean you're yeah it's pretty much a normal person super talented but you're you know yeah only human so uh and fair player she makes them mean flat white come here what about this tour it's huge now um there are gigs in arland of course you're in belfast on the 27th of august and the custom house square uh in limerick and in doblin as well um in derrits the the most local big uh in the millennium forum but after that you are all over the place yes it's uh it's kind of it's the it's the debut album and we figured let's do as many shows as we can to as many people or as little people depending where the shows are as possible um yeah it's kind of one of them things where you work so hard to have a debut album and when it comes out i just want to play it to every corner exactly i possibly can and and every corner where you possibly can you're going to have fans too as well because of and i've said this to previous guests in the past because of the way streaming and what have you worked so your social media you've you're reaching people all over the place it's not like it was 20 years ago you know you will be going to canada and there will be people there that will be singing along with your songs isn't that mental it's just brilliant but it is the world is shrinking all the while isn't it right absolutely all right i want to talk about your you're going to do two songs for us i've been reliably informed if that's all right with you yeah uh yep okay and we'll talk more about the the new single in the album what are you going to play for us first uh first i'll play the current single which is real love yeah okay so whenever you're ready and we'll have more chat with ryan after this his current single real love released in may go ahead ryan yeah looking back trying to work it out i can't pretend that the blurred lines got any clearer now if only you could have talked about how it's too hard to change baby i know how it feels i know how it feels and i don't want to leave but i want to believe you when you tell me this is over whatever happened to them or another story they'll have me ever after and i don't want to lose but i don't want to confuse you that any of it matters it turns out because i can't pretend to the whole world just how i feel i was never enough that's what i choose you're free and i put something real something real something i don't need tell me this is over happy ever after it turns out you talk you don't give enough maybe in time you think it's real love love should need this kind of work i can tell the way you talk i've been to the mornings i hope when you know great stuff ryan yours is always an interesting story you know and that you do things a wee bit differently or because last time i was speaking to you one of the last times i was chatting to you you were in the process of what you were involved in in the documentary debut weren't you uh whereas some of the album which you'll be releasing in august it was being shot and it was a an interesting experience i think for you crutch island uh beautiful absolutely stunning um as i've said i think before i do a lot of writing in donnie gall so it kind of made sense to do a bit of the recording up here too and show a bit of that side of things um yeah the air is fresher the head's a bit clearer it's just it's just incredible up here but um yeah it just kind of felt right to showcase a bit of donnie gall because it's it's literally a part of the album you know yeah brilliant stuff and about the album it is your first album but of course you had a huge body of work leading up to it right so how much of this is stuff that you've been there's been sitting there you've been mad to get it out and it's sort of in an album how much of it have you written specifically for the album or what's the the balance there yeah well that was the funny thing about the documentary because as soon as it came out um everything had to change again so the documentary came out the album was kind of done and then when all the postponements had to happen the album changed so i mean there's songs there from 2018 that i've always wanted to release uh then i'm finally getting to release but during the pandemic it was kind of hard to ignore the pandemic in this scenario so a few of the songs is a bit too real at times you know um but you know i think it would have been a disservice to the album to absolutely disregard one of the biggest moments in history but the good thing about good song writing though is uh it's it's relative you know what you might write about another person connects with that song about something in their life that might not precisely be what you're talking about and i think that's the secret to a really good song isn't it yeah anything that connects yeah and um so the album's coming out in august and you've got this tour it's all gold for you i mean are you able to enjoy it or is it just a rollercoaster ride up and down are you able to stand back and say right i'm going to take this all in a bit of everything to be honest uh you know being off for two years and really coming to a stand still you know i'm just not long back from a seven week tour uh and this tour's coming up it's two months and it's everything that i ever dreamed of you know but you're not sick of hotels yet i'm very sick of hotels this it's kind of one of them things that i don't think i'm the only musician to say this but sometimes whenever you're traveling you kind of find these people who maybe start off as like fans or whatever but they become really friendly so i've got these little mini families all over the world that uh just makes it a bit more homey it's like free air bnb really pretty much yeah well it's never free you know there's always a song or two there's always a song or two i hate uh that's uh the priceless too to some extent right i mean what is your setup is it you and the guitar for the for the forthcoming tour around well it's the intention is always going to be to do it with the band you know it didn't work this hard to not play the songs the way they deserve to be played first time around anyway um so i'm kind of hoping that uh all the dates align with all the all the players in the band and stuff like that so far so good my guitar player is actually from dunny goll so uh as long as as long as uh as long as they can come i'll have them you know yeah i know your guitar player don't you deckland deckland of course yeah you mentioned he was working with you that's right okay brilliant what a what a uh a talent to have on board unbelievable yeah is a good crack no he's awful crack yeah brilliant i mean that is i mean that's uh whoever else is along with you but if you and you and deckland working together it's it's just going to be awesome there's no doubt about that um right okay so uh just to remind people where they can see you live you're all over the place of course but here locally belfast in the custom house square in the 27th of august uh in september uh the 22nd you're in doblin about people are all over the place nowadays uh there's gigs everywhere dairy third of november and as i said earlier on you're in germany uh aren't you america and uh all over the place um okay right it's so exciting i'm so jealous you know i'm over the hill now and this is all i had yeah i just hope you enjoy it yes listen always this is the best job in the world and sometimes it does you kind of remember that it is a job at times but ultimately when you take it away like what just happened yeah you kind of i think that's had a real i mean it has had a big big impact on us all but i think artistically and yeah you as an individual you've really gotten what we've been through what was sacrificed and and what we're hopefully have a back now yeah hopefully have a back and yeah just keep the gigs coming because two years two years of no gigs kind of just tells you how much personally i need them so of course i'm not the only one sure yeah and and you're only going one way and that's all right there's no doubt about that right what are we gonna listen to finally well this is the thing i i don't have a second song planned but uh if it's okay with you i might try and bluff a song yeah but that's that's the that's the fun of it that's uh real then isn't it because this is a beautiful song uh anyway but i started playing it last night in the house and i thought i should really learn this song it's not one of mine by the way all right so we are this is actually even better right we are actually gonna get something brand new from you well it's not mine yeah it's new but i'm trying water this down i'm building it up yeah stop all right whatever you're ready right okay i call you i need you my heart's on fire you come to me you come to me wild and wild when you come to me give me everything i need give me a lifetime of promises and a world full of dreams speak a language of love like you know what it means i can't be wrong take my heart and make it strong you're simply the best tear us apart in your heart i see the star of every night and every day eyes i get lost i get washed away just as long as i'm here in your you simply tear us apart that's great right it really is sounds like you should have always sounded like that that is absolutely brilliant now i'm not putting you under any pressure and this is only a bit of crack right but one of the last times Declan was on with us okay he wrote a song the night before okay you might ask about that and come in and sang it and it was absolutely awesome so it used to work under pressure very well right i thought you're gonna ask me to write a song in the spot there i was like come on it's not i radio you're on come here how many joking come here ryan listen best look with everything thank you very much really is uh and i say one of the things i think so great about you is how loyal and and um support of your fans are of you and you're gonna see that wherever you go i've no doubt about that but thanks for calling in to this again ryan i appreciate it thank you all right that is the super talented ryan mullin singer-songwriter from port of ferry northern island but of course big 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who i believe is uh one of the best artists we have in arland then it comes back into the order stuff about matters and a bit of business matters but the listeners get it all here uh which is fantastic and always don't forget you can watch the program go on our website highland radio dot com you'll see ryan there uh you would have seen ryan there or go on to our socials uh youtube highland radio arland or highland radio news and sport or highland radio on facebook but i might got ryan's performances out and post them separately for you a little later on okay let's get into business uh the etb uh the education training board and the candid council uh they've announced new traineeships is that correct yes indeed greg dunagall etb and dunagall county council have launched a new public works operations and maintenance course so the aim of the new training course is to provide work-related operators for entry-level operations and maintenance positions for the construction or local authority sectors so the traineeship will last 35 weeks and applicants can apply online through dunagall etb's website course vendor i find myself uh unable now to highlight hide my frustration when we start talking about derelict properties in this county uh the taking over of derelict properties because i've been talking about it now it seems for 10 12 years and we're no further on and i think there was stats during the week that might have sort of pointed in that direction but we suppose we have to keep trying new things the conference taking place yes and things may change possibly on the back of what we're going to talk about greg indeed litterkenny tiny towns will host a special conference on derelicts in dylan's hotel on friday july the 22nd and that will be in conjunction with litterkenny cathedral quarter and that event gets on the way at 11 a.m so conference organizer don and harvey has described derelicts and and dunagall as a live issue that affects both individuals and communities negatively and said addressing the issue would be a clear one one for both so following the conference greg there are plans for an official celebration of the historic towns initiative on church lane which has transformed buildings on one of litterkenny's all the streets and we focused on that project as well earlier in the year and maybe the progress comes from it being sort of community driven uh writes some big money for some houses changing hands at the moment yeah just one one cut the egg rig a bungalow located along atlantic drive and downings has sold for more than 750 000 euro the 1200 square foot home uh at glenn urie i think is the right pronunciation went on the market with a reserve price of 575 000 euro the sale of the property was handled by michael haney estate agents and mulford and if it's the same house i think that was listed needing a little bit of work as well uh but if you've got that money you'll probably go in and uh you'll go in and uh do whatever you need to make the most changer of the big one there great huh right now let the most changer of the big one there right okay tech recruitment day at colab yeah a number of companies based at colab which is located at the atu donagall campus in litterkenny are holding a recruitment event this saturday during the 25th from 10 30 a.m to 3 p.m so representatives from involve garden technologies druva accountant online dot ie zinc works at itus secure technologies and electoral route will all be on hand to talk about their companies and current vacancies they have there will then be an opportunity for a one-to-one talk with company representatives so if there are people out there who are understood and aren't able to make salaries recruitment greg they can email info at colab dot ie or call 0749186703 yeah that could be the start of a new career there or change seems a new approach that the commissar taken and it's very much sort of an open door policy come in and see what behalf to offer so i'd like to admit to a follow-up thing in terms how successful they've been yeah for sure and and uh how that might work versus sort of traditional ways of uh recruiting maybe that is a traditional way now but i see it does seem a little bit change it seems it seems new doesn't it okay um listen uh you're preaching to the converted on this one we're all seeing our bills drop through the door and our jaws dropping to the floor it's just i mean between coal electricity oil whichever which way you turn i just can only imagine how much tariff is going to be burnt this winter and woes but anyway talk to us about the electricity bills yeah the raise and weekly household energy bills including motor fuels between january 2021 and april 2022 is 38 euro and 63 cent and that's according to the economic and social research institute the really latest findings have also revealed that the after tax hit of energy cost hikes for the lowest fifth of earners is 5.9 percent and that is compared to 3.1 percent for the highest fifth so again the gap between those who have and those who have less is getting wider yeah and it's not about it's easier on the wealthiest because they have more money correct the system is set up such that it impacts the wealthiest yeah less than it does the poorest and and that is you know it's not unique to arland but i don't know all righty oh kieran listen thanks for that that is the news we're going to be coming back to preview the podcast with kieran old donnell after we take this break stay right where you are the nine till noon show with letter kenny credit union now offering mortgages from 40 000 to 600 000 euro with no hidden fees or transaction charges letter kenny credit union 9102127 prep for your best you this summer with clarence macklehenny's choose three deluxe size complimentary beauty treats with the purchase of two or more clarence products one to be a moisturizer or serum plus take home two makeup mustabs with a third purchase available 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matters podcast kiran yes great on this week's business matters i'm joined by the owner of spear performance gym and fit the center in letter kenny adam spear after leaving secondary school adam completed a sport science degree in wheels he went on to study sports therapy and practiced locally while also working in local gyms he took a change in career path soon after and moved into the area of personal training and strength and conditioning on a full-time basis adam established spear performance at new mills and now scarce of letter kenny in 2015 during our conversation area this week i asked him what words of advice would he give his 21-year-old self back yourself you know don't be afraid to fail because it's you know i said if you've only had a 500 euro car loan you know and you're sitting there with a bank loan substantially more and you're you know not sleeping in people giving you advice saying don't do it's not going to work do you know what if i do it again i just say i do what i did do i just went for it you know when you're you're putting colours on the wall and the white paint is x amount but the green paint is a little bit more the green paint looks better go by the green paint you know that those little things to me made a big difference you know i do love graphic design and that type of stuff so i've always been doing that this year i probably work in design and stuff i i've always liked art at school and stuff um and i i get a kick out of logos designs branding so you know um yeah the advice i would say is yeah keep going just back yourself because it's it's it's easy to say oh look i don't fancy today you've just got to get up and get it on so like and and work hard you've got to work harder and at the start probably looking back yeah i wouldn't do the same universe i did back then now but i wouldn't change it because if i didn't do that i wouldn't realize what i know now in terms of vlogging myself yeah get him into the transition year class is a good advice for a 21 year old self but good advice for young people just to give you the confidence to back yourself yeah as most of these 10 or 12 years now in business um adam was also uh recruited by jim mcginnis in 2010 when he took over the dunnigaw senior football team and within two years uh dunnigaw had won an all around and that was a a big platform um for adam and gave him great profile and gave him great confidence go back to him to set him up on his own he had a few it was involved in a few previous gyms and i suppose this was the last one he won i'm sure he got it right and i suppose he was going to do what he thought was that was the best way to succeed and uh he's there now and the business is going extremely well for him all right okay uh the full interview is available now on our website harlandradio.com or wherever wherever you get your podcasts by the way and people often ask me um kiran if i don't want to listen to it podcasts i want to listen to it on the radio what would you say to those people listen to it on the radio when uh five past six on Sunday evening okay but the second question you know the second question they come up with yeah but i want to email him yeah i don't believe he did say that we'll give out our emails anyway especially matters at harlandradio.com well lee was giving that to me earlier on saying that that you know i say the same stuff all the time so i'm trying to mix it up a bit using a bit of not me and you me and him so i'm thinking you you sort that out with him yeah well i'm just trying to use a bit of artistic license you know it's for the listener we do this for our listeners here now donal presenter of business matters how many is that now 97 oh we're getting close boy all right well done a lot of stuff there and the back catalog is there as well and because of the nature of the interviews it gives you an insight into business the people behind the businesses how they got there it's as much sometimes about their lives as it about what they do it's their journey that catalog of stuff is there you know it's not about what happened last monday let's talk about that now these are timeless for the most part podcasts it's a great catalog there a great resource for people here in all jokes aside you know to dip in yeah because there's an awful lot in there yeah of different people i've said the pat baguette after uh we spoke last week and he was just he was he was happy with the interview but he also said look i stay around the cloud for his family to listen to and i saw he's there you know right okay i did not listen to him for a long time yes straight from the horse's mouth but i take his point yes it's there's something important about archiving this stuff all right listen kieran thanks very much indeed i really appreciate it okay that's kieran oh donnell there uh we'll be back with more of your comments and a wrap-up of the uh show today after the break the 90 noon show with letter kenny credit 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word or notice to say this would be happening a simple sign the day before to road users would be appreciated so is that listener hi great surely as fans are not now 100 included no work can begin on dwellings until this is clarified that's what my take on it was i this sounds to me like a shelved scheme till 2023 at least but anyway i don't want to add to any fears or concerns but i can only look at it logically why i wouldn't toss my house and build on my own fans now if i knew that maybe in mid 2023 that in if i would start then they would also change the foundations this call exam say though what would the nsa doing when mag were begging the government to follow the science 23 years ago this is just another can kicking down the road exercise i don't know what to say about charlie this is soul destroying gregg i think the government could save millions of euro by letting the people do the work to their own houses there's a lot of men out there that can do block work and a lot of men that could do roofing and joinery work so why not let them do it i did hear a slide remark from a government minister in the past that suggested us building our homes was part of the problem now we know that's not the case that was dispelled but it was that's the attitude you have to understand what's also going on in the back of their heads as well not just what comes out of their mouths if it's the case that if you're taking legal action you can't apply for the grant is it the case charlie mcconnell said no that's not the case right we're going to come back to more of those comments tomorrow because of course very important and insightful too because you're giving us your insights into things but that is where we have to leave it on the program today thanks to caroline ore and donna marie who worked on the program as i mentioned we're back tomorrow at nine john presons coming up around the northwest at just after the user 12 which we can get now from emma ryan and say good afternoon emma good afternoon it's 12 o'clock i'm emma ryan minister charlie mcconnell says it will be early next year before the inclusion of foundations in the enhanced maker redress scheme is confirmed he says houses are not required to be built on exists and foundations of a property but rather the footprint at donna gall garda says gardy are not able to do their jobs without proper access to a garda car this week it emerged that the patrol car in focara has now reached end of life with no current plan to replace it president of the garda representative association garda brendan o'connor says he has raised the issue several times but it seems to be a flight management issue a special meeting of donna gall county council is to be held on monday kehira councillor jack morris has requested the meeting to discuss the interagency response in donna gall to the ukrainian crisis the number of children in care in donna gall has slightly decreased decreased from a peak at the end of last year 226 children were in care in the county at the end of last year that is down to 218 according to latest figures investigations are underway until large fire in the water side area of jerry last night the blaze at the site of a number of on finished homes at dunfield terrace was reported at around 8 10 p.m. inspector schwanson says there are no reports of any injuries however if not for the work of the fire service the outcome could have been different for residents in the immediate area and their homes and finally all passengers traveling from donna gall airport on the twice daily service to dublin can now use the flight connections corridor at dublin airport self-connecting passengers traveling with cabin baggage only who hold a valid boarding card for any onwards flight on the same day can now use the flight connections corridor to get to their next departure gate without the need to clear immigration and security screening that's all for now we'll be back with news in full at 1 p.m. if 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