 Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger from the Dare to Dream show and today's program features Shelly Young, owner of Trinity Esoterics where she has worked as a hypnotist, writer, spiritual advisor, healer, trans channel medium and internationally recognized channel of Archangel Gabriel and you'll want to stick around because not only will she be sharing some illuminating thoughts but Shelly is also going to be channeling Archangel Gabriel later on the show. Dare to Dream podcast won the COVR award for best radio and podcast show. It is listed in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year, nominated for a People's Choice podcast award for a Webby Award and it is high ranked under self-improvement in Apple Podcasts. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane Heer and Access Consciousness. They do energy work out in the world so if you'd like to go to a class or become a facilitator go to drdaneheer.com. I'm Debbie Daschinger. I am a media visibility expert. 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My guest Shelly Young owner of Trinity esoterics where she's worked and she's been there for the past 19 years doing this brilliant work as a channel as a healer as an advisor. She's originally from Canada and is now based in southwest Florida where she remains dedicated to raising spiritual awareness and helping people embrace and navigate the unfoldment of their own enlightenment journeys. Shelly's book is Healing Balm for the Enlightening Soul and one of her programs featuring the most important of Gabriel's teachings is the divine combination. To learn more about her and her work, go to trinityesoterics.com and I welcome Shelly Young to the Dare to Gene show. It is great to have you here. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here. Yeah, me as well. I would love if you would talk about who exactly is Archangel Gabriel and especially who is Archangel Gabriel to you? What do you know this being as? Through the dark night of the soul, I surrendered to God because there was just nothing left that I could do. I didn't realize what a power move that was. I was in a terrible space in my life and I knew that I needed to be able to get answers for myself. I became very, very invested in connecting with some kind of higher wisdom for myself. From that act of surrender, I ended up as if by magic swept off to hypnosis school, which I never could have imagined becoming a hypnotherapist. Then I started using the cool new tool of hypnosis to connect with any being that would have anything to do with me. I was literally going to hypnosis and hello. Anybody just wanting, I would call on every being I could imagine. I was laughing and Gabriel took one for the team because probably after a while he probably said, okay, I'll go talk to her. The funny part was I didn't even know there was an Archangel Gabriel. I actually looked it up and he was not only real, he was kind of a big deal. It was from that act of surrender and being open and curious that that relationship happened. When I surrendered, I surrendered into being of my highest service. I think that was really kind of the magic piece that allowed that really divine relationship to begin. He has shown up in all of the major religious texts, which I can't speak on, but I know that he's been in all of the majors. He was the one that went and told Mother Mary that she would give birth to Jesus. That's what he did and he often travels with her. They work as a team. They have a long working relationship. She's very present today more than I've ever felt her for a show, which is really interesting. It's actually making my eye water a little bit. He's funny. He's wise. He's taught me everything I teach. Just when I think he couldn't tell me one more new thing, something new shows up, and I experience him as male. Okay. That's interesting. Very interesting. And thank you for also that piece about Mary. I have a strong affinity, let's say, for Mary, Yeshua, and Magdalene. Pretty profound and I'm pretty clear I was there. So I love that that is even happening. I just got full of chills in my whole, yeah, absolutely. So maybe that's probably why she's showing up so strongly for this show. Well, she is so welcome. And 19 years, I mean, that is a really big surrender. And what I love about what you shared, I just want to say is that anybody who's listening and watching right now, in their own life, wherever they're at, should they have a dark night of the soul, they could do this too. Like, this is just a real release to say I completely, like, whatever I'm doing, it's not working. I completely surrender. I give it up. I turn it over. And I think magically, you really weren't open to just anything. You weren't just an open portal, but you are being clear it's a benevolent energy because I'm here to be of service. So look what steps forward. In these 19 years of working with Gabriel, has your relationship changed? Has how he is with you changed? How has that all become a metamorphosis? That's a great question. In the early days, I had to put myself into a really, really deep state of hypnosis in order to connect with him. And from working in that energy for so many years, it's become lighter and lighter and lighter. And now I'm pretty much a conscious channel where before I was kind of a deep trans channel. So, you know, it's, I think it's probably just we've created an energetic meld between us from working together for so long. And that's why that's happened. That's amazing. I've noticed that because I do a lot of work with people who channel and sometimes they do projects and bring them in. And I have noticed sometimes they want to just come in and be them. They don't want to channel and they don't need to. There is definitely a melding that has happened and they have so much wisdom that would have come through the being or the energy. Absolutely. Wow. What a huge life benefit for you. Oh, I have every single client session I've ever had. I've learned something from myself. Powerful. And that's what makes it so wonderful is that where, you know, it's never, it's never boring. It's never old. There's always something new. It's always expanding and growing. And I love what you said. Anyone can move into their own relationship with whatever being their best energetically aligned with to work. And here's the good news. You don't have to do the dark night of the soul. You have to surrender right now before you're in the fetal position on the living room floor like I was. So most of us don't surrender because we're afraid of it. And we only will move into surrender when we've tried everything else and there's just no other option left. And that was definitely the case for me. I wish I knew that I could have surrendered a lot earlier because it would have made things a lot easier. So you don't have to wait till you're down and out to do it. And you're in Southwest Florida. Are there a lot of Floridians by you who are into this into channeling into metaphysics? And do you do a lot in person or mostly online? I work almost exclusively online. So I don't know a lot of people that are that are channeling here yet. But I hope that expands. Yeah, you're changing the frequency there. I like it. It's I ended up exactly where I needed to be. That's for sure because I got swept here. And then there was something I read a sign one day that the Charlotte Harbor where I live is the harbor of the Holy Spirit. And some people say that Gabriel is actually the Holy Spirit. So I was like, okay, that's a clue. Oh my God, that's hilarious. Wow. Yeah. Who needs astro cartography when you have signs like that? Well, surrender, faith, below interest will get you where you need to be, right? Powerful. And I was fascinated by the fact that your favorite program or where Gabriel's most wisdom comes through is this divine combination program. So I wanted to ask about that body of work. And if you might be willing to share with us, what are the elements of divine combination? How and how are they used together? And does it open a doorway to something? Absolutely, it does. Gabriel first started talking to me about the divine combination, I would say maybe about 18 years ago. And so I was still in a really super exploratory phase of connecting with spirit and like to ask a lot of questions. And you have to remember now 19 years ago, the internet was not what it is today. I was way up in Northern Ontario. There weren't a lot of resources, even in terms of books or anything. So I'm completely self taught. So, you know, it was a lot of getting information and then fact checking however we could afterwards to make sure that it was valid what we were getting. And so I would just channel sometimes, you know, just kind of go into a channeling state and see what would come through. And that was when he first talked about the divine combination, which are the elements of surrender, faith, flow and trust. And you know, I'm still learning things about this system. 18 years later, it continues to blow my mind. It's so incredibly, almost deceptively simple, but there's so much that goes on within it. So it is an alchemical formula. All of the elements have to be in place. But when they are, they open the door to enlightenment. Gabriel calls it the higher vibrational navigating system of the human being. And you enter into the divine combination through surrender. And you stay there in your faith and trust. And what happens is when faith and trust are used together, it opens the door to acceptance. Acceptance opens the doorway to peace, which opens the doorway to your beingness. And beingness is all about where we're going in these new energies. It's about, it's not, you know, we've been releasing so much and we're like, how much more can I release? Or, you know, how much more good stuff can come up? But what we've been releasing is everything that's not our true divine nature. And so that's leading us to then operate through our beingness into our perfect service, into our perfect experiences, pioneering our way forward. And it's the divine combination that helps you get to that state of beingness. And so with the surrender and the faith and the flow and the trust, what I'm looking for more of a descriptive, because I know we hear those words a lot. It's like, you know, let go, just let go, just go with the flow. I love all those words, actually. But actually doing that, I know the times in my life when I've done it, and it hasn't been necessarily a dark night of the soul, but I was so stymied. I had no idea. When I gave up my acting career was huge. It's all I had been my whole life was a professional actress and singer, something shifted. And I thought, I can't give this up. And I resisted for three years. I think exhaustion was why I surrendered because I finally said, I, I don't know how to handle this. I have no idea what I do if I don't do that. So take it somebody show me, and I'm going to back off. So that I know, but I'm sure there are much easier ways to get to these things like surrender and faith and flow. Can you talk about that? Yeah, I think what happens in a lot of cases is people use one element. So I surrender, but they don't necessarily stay in the flow with their faith and trust. Or, you know, maybe they're in the flow, but they're not really surrendered. Sometimes we play tug of war where you're like, you know, God take the wheel. And then you're like, well, maybe I'll take it back for a little while and we don't stay in it long enough to really see the magic that happens. So when we hit the dark night of the soul, it actually serves the purpose of us entering into the divine combination through that act of surrender. And usually when we're too exhausted to do anything else, we kind of stay in the flow and see what happens. And then oftentimes, you will feel energetic relief and kind of enter into a super flow that starts taking you where your soul's been trying to get you. So what happens a lot of the times is we're trying to figure stuff out through our mind, but surrendering gives your guidance system permission to get out there and lead you. You start watching for the signs and synchronicities. You realize how loved and supported you are, which makes you kind of love yourself more and be willing to stay in it. And then all of a sudden you start experiencing greater ease, things coming together as if by magic. So I think what happens most times is people try and get there with one or two individual elements, not understanding that they all need to be employed together. And typically the ones that people really struggle with is surrender or trust, staying in it long enough with their faith and trust until the magic happens. What can happen a lot of times where people kind of play around with it is they surrender and they say, okay, I'm going to stand the surrender with my faith and trust. I'm going to stand this flow and it takes them right up to their biggest challenge. And then they're like, well, this doesn't work. No, if you don't freak out and you stay there, what happens is you get guided around, under, through, over that challenge into the solutions that exist. So most people try it for a minute. And then they say, oh, well that doesn't work before they allow your guides to get you where you wanted to go. I have to ask you to say that again in a different way because my being sensed the enormity of that. And I really want to hear it again about should you surrender or be in a flow and you experience what you perceive as an obstacle, take it over. When you surrender and come up against the obstacle, it's because your divine guidance is leading you to your divine solutions. And usually when you're frustrated, it's because you know there's a solution, but you can't find it from your vantage point. So it's almost like passing the baton to your guides to lead you through the forest that you can't see your way out of into the discovery of cleaning that up. And then the really good stuff starts to happen afterwards. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, because when we're in that state, you know, if it kicks up anxiety or controlling or like you said being in your head and trying to work it out, figure it out, many things, there is zero flow. It's actually very painful to be in that place. Ask me how I know. So it's very true. And you know, for instance, and this is just once upon a time, this would have been so important to me. And now it's kind of like I can say it as a sort of I'm brushing it off, which is amazing how far I've come. If I have a client for whatever reason, who needs to drop out, because I do have a private service, I am so at peace. I'm like, that's beautiful. I love them. I wish them well. I, you know, we never part on bad terms ever. But I wish them well, because in my heart, I know. So wow, something even better is coming. Like how cool is that I haven't even like, maybe a client with a bigger name, or we're going to have a deeper connection, or they're more responsible in the 3D or a million other things. And I live for that. And it happens, whether it may be two months, but it happens. Yeah. That's the faith and trust part that allows you to keep going until you discover it. Yeah. Wow. See, I think what happens to is a lot of people have fear over surrender, because they think it means that they're just going to be careening about wildly, and they have no control, or they consider it like giving up in a negative, disempowered way. But it's not giving up. It's giving up. It's when you can't see from your vantage point, allowing yourself to be guided from those who can see what's available for you, because let's face the facts. If you're to the point where you're in a ball because you're so uncomfortable, if the solution existed within what you could see, you would already be doing it. The way to get to where the solutions exist is through that because your guides lead you there. You can't imagine it. I couldn't imagine being a channel of an archangel. I mean, who could imagine that? Nobody can imagine that. It was definitely not on my radar, but because I followed the steps, that's where I landed up. It's actually a power move, but people don't realize that. Very cool. What does all of this have to do with manifestation? Everything. But Gabriel calls it the difference between 3D and 5D manifestation. A lot of times we will do the basic manifestation where you see it, you feel it, you imagine it, you taste it. It's so there that you're feeling it in all ways. And that does work, but it's still only creating within the realm of what you think is possible. When you use surrender, faith, flow, and trust, you end up in the solutions that you couldn't possibly imagine that are so incredibly perfect that it blows your mind. I love that. I feel so good to me. And you teach this live or it's an online program? It's a self-study course that I have online. I do once in a while teach it live, but most times I don't. It's just online for people to move through at their own pace, but I am always available by email for any questions any students have. Wow. So the divine combination, okay. That's so lovely. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. And when you say you feel Mother Mary here, talk about that. What is that feeling or what is that connection or what's happening there for you or with you to you? She's coming in so strongly today, which is very confusing to me. It's never happened on a show before to be honest with you, which again, must be part of, you know, that you're so connected to her. I was being told earlier today that they would be here in equal measure. And usually it's, it's all Gabriel. And I just kind of, you know, sometimes I'll sense her when she's near. I feel cold. I feel cool. Like warm on the inside and cold on the outside, if that makes sense. It's very high vibrational with both of them. I get kind of a minty, mentholated sensation, almost like somebody took fix and put it on my chest. Sometimes people feel it up their nose. It's actually called the breath or the kiss of an angel. That can be one of your angel signs. But today I feel almost like I'm trembling just because the energy is so high for me right now. That's wild. Wow. And you know, I read Tom Kenyon's book years ago, the Magdalen manuscripts, and I will just say I had zero connection there, but I was excited to read the book and it dove into her in a way that I had not heard before. That was really important. And then Sacred Sexuality and the Temple of Isis and Hathor. And it was the most amazing read for me. And I just fell in love with all of what that was and all of who they were and who Yeshua and Magdalen were to each other. Whoa. And some time after I put down the book, I just had this knowing I was there. I was in that temple. I know this. I know them. And I went, okay, because I'm the most open-minded skeptic, right? So when these things happen, it's always, it's kind of a big deal. It's like, I trust when that happens because things like that do not happen very often. Right. So, and then since then, of course, I've learned so much more and followed so much more about her and read some of Kathleen McGowan's material that does go into Mother Mary and poof, just beautiful, like the story of all stories, the beings of all beings. So it's really an honor that she has chosen to show up so big today. And is there anything she wants? Is there anything she wants to do? Or it's just whenever you channel, she feels she will want to come through at some point? I don't know that she's going to speak. She's never actually, I have channeled her once or twice before, but it's not something that I do very often. And that was many years ago. I don't feel that, but I felt, and I'll know more once I get in that space, but I felt like she wanted to offer a blessing of grace to everyone that listens to this, because she was talking about having self grace as being an essential part of allowing yourself to step into your beingness. So we'll find out. I don't know. It's good that I don't know, because it keeps it authentic. I don't want to try and conform it into anything. That's the only thing I heard about it so far. So we'll see. Oh, that's lovely. Okay. Well, if you are in a place where you feel good to transition into that, I warmly invite you to. How do you feel? I feel great. Yeah. I do use, I put myself into a light state of hypnosis when I channel, it's very light. Like I say, it's getting lighter and lighter. I could probably do it with my eyes open at this point, but I'm so used to doing it the certain way that I feel like I have to to make sure that I'm doing a good job. So I'm not going to experiment on your show with that. I'm going to do it tried and true. Okay. Give me one second. Greetings, dear ones. How pleased we are to be in your presence today. We honor you for your intrepid hearts, for your tenderness, your tenacity, and for coming to anchor the energies of the group. And of course, when we say group, we mean not only those who are experiencing this transmission live at this time, but also those who will experience this transmission on your internet at a later time. We cannot stress enough the gloriousness of the times that you are in. You are on the precipice of great and monumental changes on your planet, both within and without. The shift that you are all going through at this time is about shifting from the old habit system of doing, doing, doing, doing in order to hopefully be one day, because that day never seems to come when you are stuck with the doing, into allowing yourself to be and through your beingness then take inspired action to do. It is a monumental shift. And this is what you have been working towards, moving forward and allowing yourself to let go of all of the things that you are not into the expression of who you really are into being the divine transmission of your truth of your energetics. That is the shift of service that many of you are moving into. And what is so remarkable is when you allow yourself to let go of everything that you are not and to simply sit in the acceptance and in the presence of who you really are in your beingness that you start to remember other life expressions where you were of service and you did it incredibly well and you wish to release that as being your apex experience and to take those skills and bring them back and do them in new ways in these new energies. So many of you will be experiencing a shift of service, discovering new purpose driven ideas, being shifted to different areas on your planet, assisting the earth, assisting the grids. There will be a myriad of service opportunities that are no longer the martyred service paradigm, but rather the joyful service paradigm, which is what you are anchoring in. It is getting used to the fact that your beingness is more than enough. Your growth is your service. You are not fixer uppers any longer, dear ones. You are divine and perfection exactly as you are. And many of you are afraid that if you accept that, that you'll run amok, you will not, you are conscious, you are aware. If you tried to misuse your gifts and your sensitivities, you would get so uncomfortable, you would immediately redirect. Because you are worried about it, it is safe for you to move into your highest expression of self. Those that are not worried about checking themselves are the ones that get in trouble with that, you see. It is safe to be the divine you. You came on to the planet to be that is your highest service, finding your beingness, accepting it and allowing that to lead the way. That is the embodiment process you are in. And it is absolutely glorious to see. Your beingness is everything. And there is not one other thing you need to do to be worthy or to meet your purpose on the planet. And allowing yourself to be moved with divine inspiration is where you will make your greatest discoveries. And there is another thing that is happening that you may not be aware of that the Divine Mother is here to help you with. And that is the activation of your own divine heart centers. The part of you that is filled with love and grace for all on the planet, including yourselves. Allowing yourself to be the bringer of energy, not the catcher of energy. To stand in your truth and your authenticity as the essential aspect of source that you really are that lends itself to the mosaic of the whole. And so we invite you in this moment to open up and to surrender into receiving, into accepting the beingness that you are. And we invite you to see the glorious golden light of source energy. And as you do, you see a being emerge from that source energy that is absolutely breathtakingly beautiful to be behold. It is pure. It is good. It is divine. And we wish for you to know that that being is you. It is the truth of you. And our wish for you today that you will surrender into the knowingness of that divine truth that you are. And the Divine Mother is assisting you in that process as well. Parenting you, guiding you, loving you, filling up all of your inner child aspects, any wounded fragments with her divine love so that you can experience yourself in the completeness that you were always meant to be, that you always have been. You've just been working your way back to that discovery. It is safe to trust in your own divine nature. In fact, that is exactly what you are on the planet to do. And that is what we wish to share with you today. It has been our great pleasure. Thank you so much. That was really apropos. A lot of gratitude for that timing. Amazing. Yeah, that was deep. How beautiful. Yeah, all of this conversation is so appropriate right now. And I'd love people to weigh in and mention whatever in the comments how that sat for you and what that relates to. I can say for me I have had some magnificent opportunities come my way and have been extremely humbled and excited by them and said yes and have stepped into them. And as I stepped into them, more downloads were coming that I started to execute. And down the road I found myself muddied in this like heavy mud is the best way I could describe it. Whereas normally I'm just I move forward. I know what to do. There are steps like I have actually gotten so overwhelmed. And when Archangel Gabriel was talking about you're so busy doing, doing, doing, doing, and we're asking you to be, that's where all the solution is. And I was like, ah, I have not been. And I, and this is actually a very new place for me to be right now. It's a very interesting place. But I am also just with compassion saying this is not just a new place emotionally, but this is a new experience I have chosen to say yes to. So with that and all the modern technology that I'm trying to take on and, you know, there's lots of things I've, I've never done before. Videos I'm making and like it's pretty multimedia. So yeah, all of this, I'm just saying for myself and everybody else, surrender, flow, trust, like one of my favorite sayings is you would have not been given the dream if you didn't have the power to make it come true. And so there's trust even in that like, okay, this was given to me. I said, yes, this was given to you, everybody out there. You said yes, or you want to say yes to just trust. And that grace that Mother Mary gave us was so beautiful. That whole experience was incredibly calming. That's something really interesting in the daily message today. He's been talking a lot about the gift of not knowing. And I think so many people, I know I hear from my clients all the time, they're frustrated, you know, they feel stuck, they don't know what to do next. They're, you know, they feel like they're in a holding pattern or they just don't know what to do. And he said, you know, when we don't know what, where we're going, it's a gift because we get expansive, we get curious. But what he said was it's actually the modern version of when people used to go off into the desert and would come back with a new clarity of vision and a new clarity of service and purpose. So obviously, we're all not all going to go into the desert in modern times. But he said, that's actually the beauty of it. And sometimes when we can't figure it out with our head, we have no choice but to get into that heart centered space, into that more surrender. And he said, you know, surrender. And what I love so much, it's funny that you mentioned the access consciousness piece, because I find one of the most powerful affirmations that you can use when you're in this space is, how does it get any better than this? Because there's no attachment to what that looks like, you're very open, you're willing to be guided, you're asking your guidance system to move you forward into what you're not aware of now. It's a powerhouse. And I use it all the time or asking spirit, okay, show me the next step, show me. And if nothing's happening, it just means be beingness is doing something. It's a higher vibrational doing is your being, if that makes sense. Absolutely. Yes. And I love that you brought that up. How does it get any better than this? How am I so lucky? How did I get so lucky? They have yes, some really amazing things you can say. And it's powerful stuff. And what's even really amazing is when you're in a great place, everything's going so well. And you're like, how does it get any better than this? What an invitation that is? I've experienced that in my life before I even knew about that. And I didn't even know what it was. I was at Mosse Michel in France. And it was the most incredible experience that day. I got to meditate and pray with monks and nuns. It was just pure magic. And I stepped out into the cloisters and I looked up at the sky in gratitude. And I just said, wow, how does this get any better than this? And at that moment, a butterfly came and landed in front of me. And I was like, Oh, my God, it could get better. You know, I didn't think that it could, but because I asked the question, I opened to having the experience. It's so powerful. Hmm. What does Gabriel talk about when it comes to myth around soul connections and twin flames? What is his take on that? We teach a lot about that as a matter of fact. I have a program on that, twin flames and soul connections. It's called twin flames and soul connections because, you know, we kind of had to call it that. So people know what we're talking about. But the twin flame word has kind of come with a lot of heavy stuff. You know, some people have kind of misused it or there's some teachings that are kind of separation rather than unifying, you know, like some people kind of use it like my relationships better than anybody else's and stuff like that. So we really prefer soul connection and all soul connections behave the same. It's an energetic meld more than anything else. And I don't know of any other teachers that teach about this. And I learned this directly from Gabriel as I've learned everything from Gabriel. And he said, it is one of the most powerful energetic ships in integration you can possibly go through. And the whole, you know, they talk a lot about runner chaser and everything. There's nothing wrong with that phase. It's actually necessary because you'll get to the point where you can't integrate any more of that energy because it's so high between the two of you that you've got to get out of each other's orbits to integrate that energy. And once it's integrated, you're ready for more and that pull kicks in and draws you back together again. So in a sense, it's a fractal of unity consciousness that you're anchoring on the planet, but you can't do it all at once. And that's why so many times these soul connections, they're unavailable in one way or another. Mine lived in a different country than I did. And I'm so grateful because there's no way I could have handled it had we been in the same place. It took three years before we were even able to be under the same roof. So it's an incredibly, it's an energetic process first and foremost. And I tell my clients all the time, it is not personal, it's energetic. It's got to go at the speed. It's an unfoldment. You can't rush it. You can't push it. You can't stop it. You just have to guess what surrender into the flow of it. And there's a place. It sounds like what you're describing is that there's a place within relationships where you were talking about runner chaser. But I think also there's that power place. And then I think people get to a couple gets to a place where it's a decision, right? It's a real crossroads about are we going to go forward or discontinue this? And if we choose to go forward, I can't imagine any other choice other than to opt for extreme opening of the heart and intimacy, like to really allow oneself to melt into a relationship. Much as everybody says they want one and all the bennies that come with it, I don't know how many people are actually equipped to fully release at that level. I will tell you if I didn't have a background of, you know, we've been together for nine, almost nine years now. So whatever that is, like 10, let's call it 10 years of knowing the divine combination. I couldn't have done it because it was being able to get into that space of acceptance no matter what it was doing. And what happens is when you meet a soul connection, and that's again, the praise that we prefer to use because it keeps you, some people, if they think it's a twin flame and it's being abusive or it's not healthy, they'll stay because oh, it's my twin flame. No, abuse is never okay, you know, ever. It doesn't matter who it's coming from. So I think soul connection, we get out of that mindset. And you know, what's going to happen is everything in you that needs to heal in order to be in an open-hearted meld of a relationship is going to come up for healing. And that is no small feat, let me tell you. And it just is what it is. You have to again let go of everything that is not used so that you can be in that state of beingness. And it can't be done all at once. It's a process. Yeah. Do you have any clients who you took through this process or any of your students that you could give an example of where they were and how they use this to get through? Yeah, I actually had an email just from a client yesterday, as a matter of fact. And she had booked a reading for me with me and she was asking about this amazing relationship that she had met. And it was all butterflies and rainbows. And then all of a sudden he pulled back and she didn't know what was wrong. And I was like, oh, I can tell you what's happening, you know. A lot of times it's just so big and so overwhelming that you have to step back to get your bearings. So I was able to explain to her this is an energetic process. You got to let him take the lead. He's the one that's most activated right now. You're going to have to stay in your truth and knowing what you know. You're going to have to treat him like a little deer in the forest that you're trying to get to eat from your hand. You don't want to make any sudden moves. You know, you don't want to have big heavy discussions about how he's heinous for not talking to you because that's just going to send him in the other way. Hold the space understand what's going on and be receptive if he reaches out to you, but don't load it up with anything heavy. Just let him lead the way. And she did that and he came back and she was saying, oh, I think you saved our relationship. I didn't. She was the one that did the work. But she said, you know, he came back and he said it was just too strong. I didn't know what to do with it. But because she didn't force, he was able to integrate and come back in and he already now understands that process, which is huge progress. What are the ways that we can and yay for them? I hope they're really happy. That's really a beautiful story. Are there ways that we can best work in partnership with spirit? That's literally the name of one of my programs. I can't even believe you said that. Is there a way? Yeah, well done. We can work in partnership with spirit by asking, by inviting, by, you know, surrender, the whole surrender faith flow trust model is literally how we work with spirit without having the skill of mediumship. Because you're working with them, you're, you're intending, you're moving, you're watching for the signs and synchronicities. You're allowing them to take the lead. What anyone can move into mediumship as well. And that's another way of having partnership with spirit. I never ever want to present it like people that can hear spirit are more special than anybody else. Not at all. It's like playing the piano. It's a skill that anyone can learn. If you practice a lot, you get really good at it. So absolutely asking, you know, like I did, hello, anybody, anybody talk to me, looking within yourself for the signs that let you know that you are with a higher vibrational being, which is so easy to tell higher chakra activation from the heart center up, you're with a higher being a lower being cannot activate your heart, doesn't have the ability to. So if you get, if you're paying attention to your body and you're getting those indicator, you are in the presence of a higher being, you've made a connection, start working with it, say, you know, get louder so I can hear you, I really want to connect with you or, you know, I want to, I want to move with this, help my energy meld with yours so that we can start to work together and put some time into it show that you have that intention. Yes, yes, I love that. I do a shamanic practice every single morning with my feet in the grass. And yeah, there's a few things I do, but I always, at some point in the activation, I request magic and miracles, like because it's always going to be way beyond anything that I think is big, which is really small, that I could conceive of. So are there ways or their methods that we can encourage more miracles, a beautiful magical life, all of that, because I love the sound of all that. I like the idea of living in a book you'd want to read. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you have, it's intention, having a clear intention and then being willing to stay in the flow towards it. You know, Gabriel tells me that everything that we're seeking, if it's not in front of us exists in the realm of potentiality, that's what he calls it, the realm of potentiality that holds all the wondrous things that we just haven't discovered yet. And so we get there through surrender because it's not where we are. If it was, we would already be living it. And that's how you find it. You allow yourself to let go of trying to figure it out into being guided into the discovery of it. And it is their greatest joy to do that, that Gabriel tells me all the time, one of the things that they love the most is setting up divine intersections. Oh, it's fun for them. He tells me. And he says the, like they wait with bated breath to see if people actually stay in the surrender long enough for it to happen. And I almost get this picture, like they laid bets on the side. But he says the surrendered human beings are non-resisted human beings. So human beings that are in surrender are the easiest to move into those divine intersections where you meet the person and you, there was an accident. You had to take a different road and you went into the market. And that's where you meet the person or that's where you see the sign for the healer that changes your life or whatever. He says it's so much fun to set it up because they use their imagination and it's just good fun for them. So that's cool. I have another vision. I see them like, like literally like an intersection of two lights where cars are coming or people are walking. And I see them sitting off in the grassy area watching. Are they going to do it? Are they going to meet? Are they going to, is this person going to get the job? Is this going to set them off to the country they're supposed to be in and you know, hoping, hoping, hoping it's going to happen. Oh my gosh, Gabriel just dropped this in for me. It's so funny. So years ago, before I had my dark night at the soil, I was actually a bartender, which gave me great, great people skills. Doesn't seem like it would apply, but that's what I did. And sometimes when the bar was quiet, me and my girlfriend would buy drinks from two single people and say that the other one sent it and just we'd sit back to see what would happen. And Gabriel's kind of dropping that in. It's almost like they do that, right? They just sit down and watch what happens. And people either dive through the opportunity or they don't. Amazing. How did that work out, by the way? What happened? It actually worked out really well. Yeah. You met some cool people. They wouldn't have the nerve to talk to each other, but then they did and it made for a great night. So, wow. That is so fun and bold. I love that. Love that. Do you have any sense, Shelley, about what we can expect 2023 and beyond? So I know that Gabriel mentioned like, you're in a really interesting time and yeah, you're giving lots up right now and healing a lot. What is ours going forward? And does he have anything to do with the realm of extraterrestrials? Does he have any connection there? I don't know. That's just coming in. So I'm asking. I mean, it's all part of the whole. So, I mean, we're all connected. So the answer must be yes. But interestingly, I've worked exclusively with Gabriel or Mother Mary or Jesus or Michael for like the last 19 years. And all of a sudden, a other world being showed up for me the other day that said, welcome to the Archerian Council. And I was like, what? I couldn't believe it. And, you know, so obviously they must because he works with me and that's what's showing up. So I haven't had a lot of time to explore that yet. But that's super cool. I think that for a lot of us that do connect with other beings, there will be new beings showing up for us. There'll be new gifts that will be discovering new discoveries. This is a really fun, exciting time. He tells me be curious, get expansive experiment. This is really good. He tells me that the December, the winter solstice is the most important date that we're moving towards. That's why things are really intense for a lot of people where they're letting go, doing a lot of releasing where, you know, he talks about how solstices are kind of safe points where we save our progress. And he said this is all in preparation of moving into 2024 that he says for those that have really been very, you know, consciously doing their work and really, really dedicated to their paths. He says it's going to be like getting shot out of a cannon, moving forward into like new discoveries and new services and new everything. And he said kind of like that accelerated flow can kind of come with its own challenges when we're used to like waiting and being patient and everything. And then the people that have been really resistant to their growth are going to be really hitting those dark nights of the soul. However, they serve the purpose of getting people to surrender. And when they surrender is when the massive change happens. So it's all forward movement in a way, right? Everyone's moving forward. It's just some for some people, it's faster to hit the bottom, to then surrender and move up. And for other people, because we've been working, it's easier for us to just stay doing what we're doing, right? So it makes perfect sense to me. So that's, that's what he's telling me. He's also talked about that we're in the, what did he call it? The day of reckoning. He called it the day of one day I woke up and he said, oh, people are in the day of reckoning. And I thought, what the day of reckoning? So I run and Google because that's what I do when I hear things. And he said that it's not, it's not actually a day, it's a time period. And that's the time period that we're literally in from here until that solstice. And he said the day of reckoning is like some people think it's like judgment day, but it's not judgment day. What it is is getting back the energy that you've put out. So it's just like karmic balancing. That's all it is. That's all it is. And it's fair. And it's right. And it's true. And the universe is taking care of it. So it's not like we have to do this because this is how people learn and grow. If they've never been held accountable for anything, how are they ever going to learn? Right? We can't. And this is all part of the accelerated path for people moving forward too. Because instead of like reincarnating and coming back and doing it a ton of times, you know, to try and get that experience, this is actually acceleration for them as well. So this is the phase that we're in that he's talking about with me. So and when he says when he imparts this information about there'll be all new services and so forth, does he mean that those of us who provide something will be offering new services or the planet will have like a buffet of new things to choose from? I think we're all in front of the buffet really. But I think it's going to be individual. I don't think there's a one size fits all. I think some of us will be shifting what we do or how we do it because there's a whole wave of people that are awakening to their service. So some of us will be, you know, kind of releasing our service points. And, you know, like I left Northern Ontario where I had a, you know, I was seeing people in person. And so I left that and that left room for other people to step forward in their service when they were ready to, which is awesome. So I think it's going to be different. Maybe some people will find brand new ways of being of service, new gifts, new abilities that come on because we're now energetically able to hold them or working with new guides that have new pieces to bring in for us. And some of us may just move into beingness is more than enough and just whatever brings us joy is enough to anchor on the planet. Yeah. And I don't know that there's one size fits all. Yes. I love what you just said. And I'm so grateful for exactly how you said it, Shelley, because I am in that right now. I have to say now that you said that now I can put a name to what this experience is. There is no doubt with my shamanism and my music and with this massive project, which is so exciting. It's clear to other people. It could become so many other things. And I think I'm already in the flow of exactly that. And so, and I want to put this all together so everyone who's listening for wherever you're at, I can say with full transparency for me, I need to go back to the excitement of what brought this to me in the first place. And I absolutely humbly need to surrender. I need to allow. I need to receive. I need to trust. I need to make it part of my daily practice as you so beautifully shared with us, Shelley, to invite in this help and let them know the benevolent ones. I'm seeking you at this place right now. And then to step back and stop doing so much. Allow the being because it's from the being where everything flows. That's where I get my downloads, my knowingness, my clarity, my bliss. I'm a doer. I'm a big doer. So I'm wanting to take the mantle and put it down for now and just trust that ebb and flow of being and doing and being and doing. And I think this conversation you provided today was perfection for truly where for a lot of people are right now. Awesome. You know, I had as a personal note, I was kind of in a place with my career where it's not that there was anything wrong with it, because I love what I do. I love what I do. But it felt kind of like I was at the end of one version of it or one timeline or whatever. And so what I did was I resurrendered into being of service again. And interestingly, that's when your request came to be on the show. So because I was willing to move into like a bigger expansion than here I am, right? So sometimes it's just taking that, being willing to move. And I think what we're going to see with people that there's going to be like new inventions of putting things together in new ways. I have no doubt that your shamanism is bringing that you wore a shaman in another lifetime. You've brought that skill set forward. And now you're going to modernize it and make it yours in the ways that it needs to be today. And I think we're going to see a lot of interesting melds of things coming together like maybe conventional medicine and alternative medicine all being in the same place where people can have a Reiki session or acupuncture or see a doctor for a prescription and everyone's working together. I'd like these hybrid services that are bringing in all of the elements together. I really feel like that's where we're going. And so don't be afraid if you are somebody who is of service that's listening to this. Don't be afraid to start asking questions like what can we add into this? What else wants to come in now? What's ready to come in now that maybe is a little bit different than what you've been doing? Because as you evolve, as you reach that level of attainment, you're going to be an energetic match to new things coming in. And that's really how we're going to create the new. We are all pioneering into the new. And it can be absolutely awesome if we allow it to be. That is an exciting thing to look forward to. I already see hybrids everywhere. I think folks like yourself, you probably took a bunch of classes besides hypnotherapy. And somehow in the soup of all of what you were learning, this thing emerges, which is really you. I have witnessed that so many times in these hyphens, you know, at one point in our history that was always looked down upon. I know when I was an actress, when I was an actress, you weren't, it wasn't encouraged that you would be a triple threat. And it wasn't encouraged that you could be on TV and film and theater. And it was like, and now that's all changed so much in the last decade. So our parents were raised that way. You know, our parents asked us, well, what, you know, when you were little, they started asking, what do you want to be when you grow up? And it was like, it was one thing, you go to school, you learn the skill, you be that until you retire. And that's, you know, and now it's not that at all. It's nothing like that at all. In fact, Gabriel tells me that when we have our hands in different pots, it actually allows spirit to serve us no matter what the energies are doing. Excuse me. So for example, when the energies were really tough, people don't want to quit smoking. I was a clinical hypnotherapist. Nobody's going to come to me to quit smoking when the energies are hard, but they might really want to have a bar session or they might want to have a healing session of some sort where they can just sit and feel some relief. So because I was able to offer a lot of different things, the universe was able to provide for me, no matter what was going on energetically. Oh, genius, absolutely genius. Yes. That makes a lot of sense. You had a lot in your toolbox to pull out and offer to people, you know, and I'm sure the appropriate thing came up. And that whole idea about hybrid medicine, all girl, I am all for it. That would be so beautiful. Like the diagnoses mostly for Western medicine is can be very exciting. But, you know, root cause stuff, I love alternative medicine. And if I could see those two thrive together, wow. And the energy piece, just the energy piece, people learning how to work with their own energetics. And, you know, I dream of there being a day that they teach energetics in primary school where kids learn, you know, that how to control their own energy and how to move into alignment and how to dispel anything that they've picked up. Wouldn't that be amazing? Yes, I dream of that. Oh, Shelley. So where can people find you? Where can they work with you? What do you have going on? You can find me at trinityasoterex.com. And that's where you can find all the other stuff that I'm up to. I do put out free content from Monday to Friday. And at the bottom of that free content, I always have like if I have any events going on or whatever, it's completely free to sign up. It's just free supports for you. You can search any topic on my website to see what Gabriel is sad to say about it. So it can really be very helpful along your way. And that's where you see my other services that are available as well. And Shelley, this is Dare to Dream. What are you next, Dare to Dream? What are your future dreams and goals? I just want to be free. I want to be free to be able to fully surrender into whatever the flow supports on any given day. That's what I want. If I wake up and I want to paint, I'm an iconographer, I paint. If I wake up and I want to paint, that's supported. If I wake up and I want to write, it's supported. If I want to work with people, it's supported. I just want to be so free that I can effortlessly move through and be of my highest service no matter what I'm doing. That's what I dream of. Thank you. Thank you for your dream and I see it for you. Thank you for coming on this show so much. Oh, thank you so much for having me. It was just a joy to be here. Truly. And folks, if you liked listening to this and you would like to see Shelley and I and Shelley channeling, et cetera, go ahead youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger, also on Spotify, under videos, under Dare to Dream. And I end today's show with this quote, through the sacred language of light, we unlock the boundless wisdom of the cosmos, transcending dimensions and healing souls, embrace the journey of channeling, for within you lies the potential to connect with the universe's most profound energies. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation, Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger. Next week on the show, I am featuring the amazing Gail Fechere, who is a success coach, who believes we can be both materially successful and lead a spiritually empowered life. Her goal is to bring spiritual principles to the entrepreneurs and business leaders and to help spiritual followers achieve material success. Gail is going to be teaching and demonstrating several types of healing, including psychic surgery and magnetic healing. Thank you for joining us, Dare to Dream, Dare to Turn All Your Dreams Into Your Reality. You know where I think I found you? I think, do you know Rob Gautier? Oh Rob is a friend of mine, yes indeed. So he's become a friend of mine the last, I want to say year, but I don't honestly know if it's been that long, but it feels like a long time. Like I feel deeply connected, that sweet being. Oh, he's literally one of my favorite people on the planet. He is the embodiment of divine masculine. I love him. I love him too. I know he's so cool. And he, so I know he does this channel panel. And he, I don't know what he and Kalina have planned, but I know he wants to do another one in January and he was writing to me and like, you have to come as my guest and you have to this year. I just love him, love him. And I think I was looking it up because I want to tell people about it, you know, other people, so they go. And I saw you there. Yeah. And that's how this happened. That's how I reached out to you. I was like, well, if she's good enough for Rob, she's good enough for me. I'm like, track her down. That's so awesome. Actually, I was just talking to Rob. Well, of course, as soon as that Arcturian showed up, what's the first thing I do text Rob like, dude, this happened. What is it? So I just knew it was another world being that was associated with the color blue and it spoke light language. And he's like, Oh, that's an Arcturian for sure. And so him and Kalina and the babes have COVID, they came down with COVID from him going to Sedona because he went to that thing and fall down with COVID right now. Oh, that sucks. I know. I'm going to write to him. I have been following him because he met with friends. Well, now they're his friends too, but he met with some like Lisa Royal Holt is a good friend of mine and Ruben Langdon. And I can't remember. Oh, Jamie Price was there. There's such amazing people that were there. And I was so excited for him to go. I know he was super excited, but I'm really sad. He got COVID that sucks. He needs a break. The guy needs a break. He does. He does. Yeah, they're absolutely fantastic people. I just love him and Kalina and I love doing channel panel. I've done two of them. So yeah, that was a lot of fun. And yeah, it's it's isn't wonderful how things just ripple out and connect. And that's one thing that Gabriel was saying to me today. When when he was telling me that you and I had been strategists, such a weird word. He said, this is really what happens in these higher energies, we start connecting back with those like energy souls that we've known before, that's part and parcel of the energies that we're in right now. And then I love that. It's a good feeling. That feels so nice to me. Wow, I like that. Yeah. And I don't know if you've ever been to the Conscious Life Expo in Los Angeles in February. No, I've never been. Well, I'm just going to plant a seed for you. It's your people. It's your audience. 15,000 people go through the doors. Wow. And I got Rob book there for 2024 February. That's closed. That got closed. It actually got closed by April. Oh, wow. But I work with them. I help them with things and we have a very good relationship. And and yes, they meet with me on zoom and say, who do you recommend? And so I pitch people to them. And if you would be interested in that and, you know, check out their website, you'll know tons of the people. And when you, you know, if you feel that resonance, then like, let me know by March, which is coming up, right? Let me know by March of next year, Deb, I want in and I'll, you know, when it comes that time, you know, I think I did it in June the pitch and I was like, you're full. Oh my God. They said, yeah, everybody was here asked us like walking out the door. Can we come back next year? That's that's a new energy. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. It's great being in a room full of people like that's what I loved about channel panel so much like just being able because all of most of us channels are just like in our own room talking to a computer. I mean, you know what I mean? So we're kind of scattered around all over the place. So to be around other channels, it's, it's amazing. I should send you. I've got this great picture of me and Rob from channel panel. I should send it to you. It's one of my favorite pictures ever that I'm going to give you my my cell phone. You can if you want to text, you can email it or if you want to text it, you can and then, you know, stay in touch with me. I will, I will. What is it? Oh, right. Oh, and I didn't even write it correctly. It's actually 818-219-9993. Lots of nines. 818-219-9993. My business number in Canada was 673339 was almost like the exact opposite of that. Wow. That's a good one. I love threes. The number. No kidding. Well, the Trinity, right? Trinity as a pair. It's all about the threes. So well, my new friend, this is, yes, I feel this. I'm so happy to have connected with you. Thank you so much for reaching out. It was just awesome. So much fun. Yeah, for me as well. I love getting to know you and I'm excited for whomever doesn't yet, you know, just keep the beautiful message going. Thank you for what you did today. I really, really felt it. Awesome. I hope everyone that would listen did too. Beautiful. All right. Thank you so much. I can't wait till we connect again. Okay, my love. Have a great day. You too.