 This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you, including Philip Lass, Daniel Dorado, and Howard Yarmesh. Coming up on DTNS, Allison Sheridan is here to tell us what tech she used on a trip to Antarctica, plus radio astronomy is getting drowned out by satellite noise, and whatever happened to that European law to make Apple iMessage Interapt R8 with WhatsApp. We're gonna tell you. Still there. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday the 3rd of March 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. And from the Podfeed Podcast, I'm Allison Sheridan. Draw the top tech stories from Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Roger, you have gathered what I would say an Avengers level of tech pundits today. Artists, scientists, me. Yeah, also me and Sarah. So let's start with the quick hits. Bloomberg sources say that Foxconn will invest roughly $700 million to build a factory in Bengaluru, India to make iPhone parts and assemble Apple headsets as well. Now, we're not clear if this is going to replace similar factories in China or just add to Apple's capacity within India. India has strict rules that encourage electronics to be made within the country. And so it helps either way, I guess. Better help is an online counseling company that has agreed to pay $7.8 million to the Federal Trade Commission to settle charges that it improperly shared customer sensitive data despite promising to keep that data private. The FTC says the company quote, used and revealed consumers email addresses, IP addresses, and health questionnaire information to Facebook, Snapchat, Critio and Pinterest for advertising purposes. Better help says its practices were industry standard. But it also posted on its website that it understands and now I'll quote the FTC's desire to set new precedents around consumer marketing. And we are happy to settle this matter with the agency end quote, by writing a check. Oh man, I love that. We'll pay. We're not admitting guilt. Nope. But the FTC changes its rules all the time. There's a lot of ick all over that. Well, this probably won't be icky. Users of hearing aids who are also lovers of well designed tech might want to check out the Eargo 7. That's E-A-R-G-O. If you're already familiar with the company, the 7 is the latest in its line of invisible hearing aids for those with mild to moderate hearing loss. Eargo offers a modern charging case, personalized hearing profiles, and most of the usual features that you find in conventional hearing aids. Also, Eargo's sound adjust adapts on the fly to noise wherever you might be. It's noisy or quieter. And they're IPX7, so you can wear them in the shower or elsewhere if you're getting wet. Why not? Battery lasts all day and the case offers two full charges. So pretty good battery life there. The Eargo 7 is available for $2,650 and also includes customer support for setup. Which it ought to at that price. That's quite an Eargo sum. I interviewed them a couple of years ago at CES. Maybe it's three years ago now and it was a really, really cool product. You actually cannot see the Eargo's when they're in somebody's ear. You can't see them. And I think that price is not unusual for hearing aids. It sounds crazy for your buds, but these are hearing aids. Keep that in mind. Brave's search engine launched a summarizer feature, which uses a mix of three large language models to provide a synopsis answer to a search query at the top of the results. I tried it earlier by asking about Brexit and gave me two or three lines about now, oh, it happened this day and this is what happened. Not bad. However, it's not using OpenAI's GPT as one of those large language models. It just says Brave AI. They're not telling us which ones they're using, but it's not OpenAI. The summarizer will provide links to sources and highlight relevant sentences in search result snippets. Currently, Brave estimates only about 17% of queries would receive an applicable summary. It's available now on desktop and mobile if you want to give it a shot and see if you hit one of those 17%. The Windows 11 preview build 25309 that rolled out in the Insider Dev Channel includes an enhanced audio mixer that lets users make individual adjustments to audio directly from the taskbar. Click on a volume icon or use Windows plus control plus V to open the mixer directly. You can also use it to switch outputs. Maybe you're using speakers and headphones interchangeably, as well as adjusting volume to individual sources like the browser itself. Basically, Windows is sure locking ear trumpet, which came out with this about five years ago. All right, let's get into the stratosphere, actually beyond the stratosphere. The conversation has an article up called radio interference from satellites is threatening astronomy. A proposed zone for testing new technologies could head off the problem. Here's the problem. Telescopes view different wavelengths of light. For instance, the James Webb Space Telescope views infrared. The Green Bank Telescope, the very large array and the Atacama Large Millimeter Array view x-rays. Many others view radio wavelengths. And of course, the oldest telescope technology views visible light. Those last ones, the visible light ones, aren't as useful as they once were because we have so many lights now. The amount of light we generated night gets in the way. So you have to go kind of out in the wilderness if you don't want to have any interference for those. Well, the same thing is happening to radio telescopes, unlike with visible light going out in the window. Well, wilderness only protects you from the radio interference on the ground. And we're quickly filling up with the sky with satellites that use radios to communicate. This affects more than just astronomy. Satellites use radio waves to detect things on the ground like moisture. So what are we going to do? Well, the authors of the article work in astronomy and wireless technology and have a few ideas. One is a test facility that they're working on for tech to prevent radio interference with telescopes. The U.S. National Science Foundation and SpaceX recently announced an astronomy coordination agreement to help benefit radio astronomy. And the big one is the development of radio dynamic zones to support creative and cooperative uses of the radio spectrum, basically figuring out how to share the air so that everybody's radio waves get through. Allison, I know you once had a chance to ask a Nobel Laureate astronomer about this, right? Well, yeah, actually, we were on a trip to Antarctica that we'll be talking about later with Nobel Laureate Dr. Andrea Gez, who is responsible for discovering the super or proving that we have a supermassive black hole at the center of our galaxy. And she works out of the Keck Observatory in Hawaii. And it's an optical and infrared telescope. So don't be just in that optical so much. But I asked her whether things like Starlink are starting to cause problems and she said, oh, yeah, they are. So she might not have been able to do her discovery research if this was as bad as it's getting. And by the way, I read an article today that Starlink is now over half of the satellites. The half of the number of satellites up there because they've launched so many. Right. That actually makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty quick to be half of all of them. One web's on their heels, though. Trying to make a mess of all of it. Yeah. And that's going to make the problem worse, right? Yeah. I mean, I wonder if part of the solution is going to be you're going to have to put radio telescopes into orbit somehow, which is more complex because a lot of times radio telescopes benefit from being in multiple places across large distances. And then they sort of combine their observations to create a larger view area. That's a little trickier if you're in orbit. But we might have to do that. That's what we did with visible light telescopes, right? We said, well, we can still do them on the ground, but it's really easy to get past all of the light pollution and stuff if you put them in orbit. Yeah, but like you're saying, ALMA, the Atacama Large Millimeter Array in Chile has was one of the telescope arrays that was part of creating the picture of the black hole that we've gotten. So there were I think it's five separate array stations around the world. Those are radio telescopes, though. But we actually got to go to ALMA and stood up there at what I say was 18,000 feet, 16,000 feet. Wow. Stephen, we had to take oxygen to get up there. It was it was crazy. But even that you can see a couple of telescopes in a picture that Tom showed for the video viewers. And there's a whole bunch of arrays there that form just that one. So, yeah, putting that in space, that'd be tough. And Keck is the largest infrared and optical telescope, I believe, in the world right now. And you can't put something that big up in space. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of my you know, I feel like it's like the dot dot dot. But when can we? Well, yeah, but there's all the gravity is not something that we're probably going to figure out how to overcome really soon. But build it up. If you're going to let your imagination run wild, mine and asteroid turn it into an array. There you go. And you and you and use the what is that space ladder they're going to build? We'll carry the stuff up with that. No, no, you just get it all from the asteroid. You don't need to carry anything. There you go. There you go. Well, we're going to need to have some fabs for the chips up there, baby. But yeah, no, this is this is getting a little silly now. But but it is it is a real problem that the real short term solution is cooperation. It's managing the spectrum, right? And saying, Hey, don't operate at these frequencies so that we can actually see and be able to to listen as well, not just see, you know, when we get the messages from SETI, they're going to come by radio wave most likely. Also being done at UCLA. What is listening to say? There's a big. Yeah, there's a big SETI effort by Jean-Luc Picard. Jean-Luc Picard. I knew I'd do it. I'd do it every time. Professor. That was a TV show. Jean-Luc Margot, who is the astrophysicist we went to Chile with when we went to see Alma. So he's with a lot of astrophysicists. I know it's so fun. I love them. I did ask I did ask Andrea the difference between an astrophysicist and an astronomer. And she says the difference is how much do you want someone to talk to you on an airplane? If they ask you, what do you do for a living? She says astrophysicists, they don't bother you at all. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm going to start using that. We had a post on the DTNS subreddit today with the title Europe's plan to rein in big tech will require Apple to open up iMessage. And when I clicked through, I found a protocol article from March 24th. It's March 3rd. So that article was from last year. Good reminder to check your dates, but it happens to all of us. However, a couple of folks were having a discussion about it in our subreddit, so I figured I should let them know that, hey, that's an old article. And just to be safe, I figured I'd look up what the state of things were regarding that regulation. So I could tell them that too. And I had forgotten that it's already law. It's part of the Digital Markets Act. And that made me think, I bet I'm not the only one who forgot that the Digital Markets Act was already a law. So I figured why not start a new segment on the show called Checking In. So here we go, Sarah, as we're going to check in on the Digital Markets Act and specifically its provision that messaging services will need to interoperate. What do we need to know about it, Sarah? Okay, so the act applies to gatekeepers. You might say, remind me of what makes a gatekeeper. A company qualifies as a gatekeeper if it has a strong economic position in the EU, a strong position connecting a large number of users to a large number of businesses, and has met both those criteria for the most recent three years. So by the numbers, that means market capitalization of 75 billion euros or turnover in the European economic area equal at or above 7.5 billion euros, as well as at least 45 million monthly end users in the EU and more than 10,000 annual business users. The law has provisions for not favoring their own services over others, being transparent about data and advertising. But the big thing that gets most of the attention is that whole messaging part. Now as a gatekeeper, you're required to enable interoperability on request. So yeah, it means Apple will need to support side-loaning of apps and Apple's iMessage will need to interoperate with any third party that wants to do so. Now that's not happening right now, so you might say, well where are we if this is law? All right, let's break it down. We already did actually. We broke down the proposed text of the bill last year on March 29th. Then it was enacted into law in July and went into force. So the law became, actually the bill became a law in the EU on November 1st. But not everything in the law starts on day one. It's actually not until May 2nd that companies that might be gatekeepers have to start filing the paperwork. So Apple, Google, Facebook, they all have until May 2nd to submit the information they need to submit to the EU. In fact, May 2nd is when they can start. They have until July 3rd to get it in. The EC will then determine whether the business meets the definition of a gatekeeper or not. And if they do, they have until March 6th 2024 to comply with the Digital Markets Act. So even though this law is in effect, we haven't even got to the paperwork filing and the you have to start doing this is on March 6th. And even then, even once they're like, okay, now you have to do it, companies have up to three months to grant a request for interoperation. So there you go. By March 6th next year, Apple will have to let companies apply to interoperate with iMessage. And the earliest than any communication between iMessage and WhatsApp would probably happen is going to be June 2024. I mean, I guess my first question is how long can companies tie this all up by saying, well, we're not actually gatekeepers. And here's why, you know, not that's not, they won't be able to do that for very long. That it's going to be up to the the EC will look at it and be like, you are you are you are. Yeah, exactly. They're pretty clear and pretty concise. It's not like proving whether you're a monopoly and no, we're not in gaming. You know, it's not that kind of nonsense. It's like, you have this many users, you make this much money, boom, you're a gatekeeper. That's all it is. But my question is, does that mean June of 2024, we will stop having blue bubble, green bubbles? Is that the dream that we're actually going to get? I think it's going to go the other way. I think we're going to have a third bubble. There's going to be blue, blue bubbles for iMessage users, green bubbles for SMS users, and then the yellow bubbles for interoperability users. I think they're going to further distinguish something to say, okay, if you're getting a third party message, it's it we want to let you know that this is not under our control and not in our our standards, it's coming from outside the house. And so we want to make that clear. It would be good to have that because with with iMessage, we make a lot of fun of the blue bubble, green bubble thing, and it is a pain in everybody's backside. But the blue bubble, your straight blue bubble, the blue bubble, you know that that's an encrypted connection. If it's a green bubble SMS, it might not be right. Yeah. And these will have to be end and encrypted as well, which is another reason to distinguish them from the rest of it. Because you can you can provide interoperability without end to an encryption. But the bill says you should also do end to end encryption. And they gave extra time for that as well. So you can you can launch without end to end encryption. So there might be a fourth color of bubble. I have no idea. I mean, can I just say for the record that all these colors are just they're off the mark green means go green should be this is how we all interoperate with each other in the best way possible blue. I don't know what to do about you. But yellow could be like, yeah, we're somewhere in the middle. Caution, this comes from outside. I like that. Yeah, green for go, yellow for caution. Yeah. But you're saying that they they're encouraging you should do end encryption on those. But is it didn't I hear you talk on the DTS just this week about the European Commission saying, Yeah, but but we need to be able to see the data to look for that. The stuff does get so confusing. And that's the UK, which is no longer part of the EU. And it's related and it's related to a Child Protection Act that the UK wants to pass. Yeah. So thankfully it's not being make it make it here's the easy thing. Yeah, make it end to end encryption encrypted in the UK is going to say except we need a back door. Oh, don't put it past the government to say, Yes, you have to make it end in encrypted. Also, you have to let us figure it out. We don't know how. Yeah, not our problem. You just make it happen. You're the math people. Yeah, exactly. Well, folks, if you've figured this out, if you've solved it all, we want to hear from you. But anything you hear, any thoughts you have, we'd love to get your experiences. Send it to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com. Well, Allison, you recently traveled to Antarctica and we're not surprised that you took a bunch of technology with you for the trip because that's what you do. But of that fun backpack, I'm imagining of all sorts of tech toys. What did you actually bring and what did you learn to pass along to the rest of us? Well, one of the things I like to do after a big travel trip to these crazy countries that we go to is to talk about what tech worked and didn't work and what I learned that's new from what I used to use. And probably the single most important thing I learned that's going to be helpful to the audience is that the way data plans are done in countries now with eSims available is completely different from the last time I did one of these big trips. So Dave Hamilton of the Mac Geek app has been talking up a website called eSimDb.com. And this is a terrific website. It's essentially a broker for all of the options of different companies to provide eSims for you. So you type in the country you want to go to. And by the way, if you type in Antarctica, it says no, sweetie. There's no cell service in Antarctica. But we were going to Buenos Aires and to Iguazu in Argentina. So I put in Argentina. And then these companies basically vie for your business. And the site is great because it'll show you how much data do you want and how long do you want it for. So maybe you're going to be there for two days. You only need 500 megabytes. You can get a real cheap deal or you want to go with, you know, you can be there 30 days and you want to go to all of South America. You want that covered. That would be a different rate. And so I was able to go in there and for Steve and I each got five gigabytes of data. I asked for 30 days because I needed a couple of days on either side of the Antarctica trip. And it was $14 and 40 cents each. $14. Yeah, that's way better than your default plan from T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I did the math in my article. I forget what it was, but I mean, it would have been hundreds of dollars versus that. And we overbought, you know, five gig was more than we needed. I mean, honestly, there are a couple of these. If this was the only thing you told me about from your trip, it would be entirely worth it because it's I don't know if it was if people caught it, it's eSIM. So you don't even have to go get a thing, right? You just download an app. No, you don't stop at the store or when we went to India, I remember us driving around, trying, getting the driver to drive us around to try to find a store to get a SIM card. And they didn't have the micro-SIMs back then. Yeah, right. The Apple was using it was a big pain. This you download an app for whatever company you pick, you download an app, you sign up, you type in what you want, you put in your credit card and you're done. And if you, I should have done like three gigabytes. And then when you get close, you get a notification, you just go, okay, let me top that up and throw another gigabyte on top. It's so freaking easy. What's the timing like? Do you have to do the app when you're there or do you do it right? Yeah, I mean, is it within five minutes or you have to do it before you leave? Well, one of the reasons I did 30 days was I wanted to do it beforehand because I didn't know how this was going to work to me. The whole eSIM thing was, you know, witchcraft. And so I wanted to see how it was done and what it would act like with my regular phone and learn how to switch between the two and everything. So I was just to get it done, but you could, I would load the app ahead of time. I would figure out which one you want and then buy it like the day before. That's probably what I would do. And it was easy to switch the eSIM back to your regular provider? Yeah. I mean, it's a toggle in, I'm sure it's the same in Android, but on the iPhone, it's a toggle. It's like, I want this one, I want this one. So when I got there, I flipped it. And now I did always enjoy using a paperclip on an airplane in a little tiny airline seat and pulling out little SIM cards and not, not losing them. That was fun. And we lost. That wasn't you. And you do have to have a phone that supports eSIM for this to work. That's the other, the other thing you have to keep in mind. But yeah, this eSIMDB.com. I'm looking at a trip to South Korea later this year and I'm already like, Oh, $32 for 10 days unlimited data. Sounds pretty good. Yeah. That's better than my monthly cell phone bill. Seriously. I'll just keep them. Exactly. I should say it's a lot more if you have a phone plan added. Ah, this is just for data. Yeah. Okay. That's a good, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good distinction. Well, what else, what else did you have in your travel pack that ended up being advantageous? This seems like a silly thing, but a magnetic wallet for the back of my phone was probably one of my favorite things because you have, if we were on a cruise ship and so you've got a key card and you got to have that key card. You can't get off the boat without the key card. You can't get on the boat without the key card. And, and even if it's a hotel room or whatever, I always had that with me. Now I would carry my driver's license when we were in our credit card. If we were in a, you know, when we were in Buenos Aires, but I could have my phone and that key card and I was done. I was, I had everything I needed with me and you don't want to, if you're a woman, you don't want to slip a curse down to the, to the cafeteria, right? Yeah. Not if I don't have to. Exactly. That's nice to have. Yeah, just all the essential stuff magnetized. The last thing probably to mention that was a big deal is I have a large charger called the Omni charge and it's a, I don't know, maybe four, five inches on the side. And I think it's like 20,000 milliamp hours. I'm pulling that off the top of my head. But the main thing that this thing is cool for is it can actually charge your laptop. It can charge, it's got that much juice in it. And it can charge, you know, your phones and, you know, watches and all that kind of thing. But the reason it's good for travel isn't because I'm running out in the middle of the day and I'm carrying this giant backpack. It's that when you're in a hotel room, there's never a charge port or a, you know, an outlet where you want it. And there's often outlets of other countries you're going to end up with the wrong adapters with you. We study this stuff. We're good at this. We understand it. We have all the adapters and we still brought some of the wrong ones. We didn't bring enough of the right ones for the ship because we're like, oh, we're in Argentina. What's the outlet look like that for that? Great. But it was a French ship. So French was using the European ones. Luckily we had one with us, but exactly, exactly. But with this, we were able to just, Steve didn't have an outlet on his side of the bed. So he would just use this during the night where he could have everything charging and everything have it on his bedside table so he could see his phone is his clock. And then during the day, he would take up that one port that we had and charge it during the day. And then you just need the one adapter, right? That's genius. Yeah. Yeah. That was, I've had that thing for, I don't know, eight years, something like that. And it's fantastic. Being able to charge my laptop with it is huge. Excellent. Oh, these are great. Thank you, Alison, for sharing all these. And of course, head to podfeed.com folks. If you want the full scoop on everything. Yeah, and everything Alison talked about will be in our show notes as well. Well, we wanted to continue on with the travel theme. Not totally sure how many movies have been set in Antarctica, a few of them. But if you are a classic movie buff and you make a point to visit shooting locations, maybe even sets of iconic movies, Chris Christensen has an idea for you. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another tech in travel minute. Occasionally, I'd like to bring you something that is a place that you can go. This time, it's something that you can see. And it's the African Queen. So this will work for tech fans, but also movie fans. The boat that was actually used in the movie of the African Queen can be found in Key Largo, Florida. And you can take a trip on it. This was an actual boat, a steam boat, a really tiny steam boat that was used in the Victorian Isle and in Lake Albert and then was used for filming that particular movie in 1951 and then continued on in service to Africa till 1968 when it was brought to the United States. So if you want to experience a boat from early on in the age of steam in Africa and also a movie icon, go to Key Largo and ride the African Queen. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. And there's a little Humphrey Bogart connection there with Key Largo and the African Queen as well. I love it. Can we, can we all do this immediately? Sure. Let's thank you, Chris. We're headed to Key Largo. We're sailing away to Key Largo. All right, let's check out the mailbag. This one comes from Vince who says, just a note about the amusement you all found over the thought of Zoom as an in-vehicle app. We were talking the other day about VW launching its own app store for vehicles. Vince says, I work in a large company that loves meetings, which have attendees across many time zones. Things like parents and meetings while waiting in school drop-off, pickup lines, almost a daily occurrence. Often it's via the Zoom app in CarPlay. Not having to even worry about connecting my phone to the entertainment system to jump on that call seems like a great idea. I get it. I get it. Sometimes it just might be easier to have it built in, you know. So, yeah. Thank you, Vince, for sharing that idea. Indeed. And thank you. Oh, sorry. I was going to say, I mean, I've got Netflix and YouTube in my car. Why not Zoom? Yeah. Well, Tesla is one of the first to have an app store in its car. So, you know, the fact that we're seeing Volkswagen jump on the bandwagon. And with Volkswagen, you're talking about Audi too. So you're going to get a lot of Audi drivers. Don't forget Bentley, Tom, for all the Bentley owners out there. Well, someone think of the Bentley owners for once. You know, I just, I feel so sorry for them always being overlooked. Someone I don't feel sorry for because he's awesome and might even sound like a robot depending on whether his browser is cooperating or not is Len Feralta. Len has been illustrating today's show. Len, what have you drawn for us? So, by the way, I am totally in with the Key Largo thing. Excellent. Come on down. We're there. It's gonna be so fun. Yeah, it'll be excellent. You know, I'm also would love at some point to go to the Antarctic. I think that would be a lot of fun. And having these tech things that, you know, these are great tips. Here's another tip that maybe you didn't know, and that's what I've illustrated today, is that slow connection speeds may not allow your penguin to FaceTime with tucks from Linux. That's fabulous. Every part of the article was talking about the connectivity problems in Antarctica. It was, you know, satellite down that far around the bottom of the earth, it was rough. It was. And this, you know, people don't even think about that. When you bring your penguin with you, it's too Antarctica to visit other penguins. You need to be thinking you may not be able to get talk to tucks from Linux, but that's, you know, that's a small sacrifice for actually traveling the great outdoors. This image is available all the time at my online store at lennperaldestore.com. Of course, you can go get that the traditional way, or you can back me at Patreon, patreon.com forward slash Len, where you back the DTNS lover level, and you get all these prints, these wonderful images that I'm doing. And they're just yours, just, just for joining. So, so check it out. And thanks for having me on. It's great. Well, thanks for being with us as always, Len and good stuff. Also thanks to you, Alice and Sheridan. We're glad you had fun down south and brought back so much knowledge for the rest of us. Let folks know where they can keep up with more of your work. Well, as Tom said, podfeed.com is the best place to go for that. But you can follow me on mastodon. 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