 Ii ni Leon Aumsea Nafani maambori kamaani menda Kona exportini ni nini bat fiyu youan through school of YouTube, which is an interesting thing when you also talk about that business. It stems down from the issue of also gender. O takuta wisi mabuizuengi sana koko yo business ni mostly no maga how does it actually appeal to you not even just yourself now your family and people taking you as you know upon someone who loves makeup you know man who loves makeup, looking good and what not, does it actually come with some sort of like when it's not happening? Amo for you, it's just a normal thing. No, for me right now it's a normal thing but when I started it was like an issue kidogo kwa wato, actually was a zongo kwa wana jwe makeup ni ni. Oh, your parents had no ideas. So all kwa wana jwa wana music like wana to ni musici but started doing makeup so many lians ako jipaka kwa uswa aango. Oh you started it on yourself first, right and that's how you loved it now. Yes, no ideas from my face but I was doing kazimba yasana was right. Then I was like ah then from that I just knew the right way to go about it and then. Right I can see there's even a photo at the background. Ah, when was this, what happened here? This was last year actually. Okay, all right and I think this photo was trending somehow, it got shared in several spaces. Yeah, of course. Right, even picked up by a blog. What was happening here? No, actually just here I was just doing a shoot. What inspired me is the jacket I had there. It was light, it was, it was a green. Right. Leminas green and then I saw. Achani fanya kitu. Then I did, then it came to shoot in Kapiga, you got to. Like when I'm bored I just. What some of the comments you got from this. Please, please, please tell us. Actually this, actually I took part of comments, the first makeup I did post with me, myself with makeup, where Niliyambe, where is Shoga, where is Nani, where to talk, where, where. Right. But when you were doing it. That was the first time so it affected me. Mentally as well and emotionally. But how did you survive it? Because you know when you're trending and I believe you're also celebrating some own kind of way because you work with the celebs as well and top stations. How did you survive that part? Because these are people contacting you, sending you texts, criticizing you as well. It affected me because actually my friend, he could just say, hey bro relax, you see Jali, he's in life too. Now he's turned out too. So, for a week nili kwa nimi katu kwa numba, like during that time, sikwata na ingia online, kwa nimi katu nili kwa nasiangasa, nika zi gani nili jingiza. Alright. And then I got myself into this shit. It was like, nika choka asa. It was a point nika choka na yo. But nika roadi sasa nika sama. Let's go back a little bit to yourself. When your parents, you said your parents took you to school to study, like was that cost that your parents wanted you to study before you decided? I was actually supposed to do hospitality. Hospitality? Yeah, because I love cooking a lot. Then I saw like, this is just wastage of time. You wanted something that would get you money faster? Yes, very fast because actually even when I was in high school, I didn't love... But speaking of high school, which high school? So that they know you're here? Yeah, I studied at... this school was called what? Hey, you can't even remember. Oh, okay. My producer says she knows that school as well. Okay. Yes, it was besides... Karatina, right? Yes, Karatina. Oh, is that where you grew up? No, I grew up in Mombasa, and then from Mombasa I went to Ushago and saw me because... From Mombasa to Ushago? What's not happening to you man? You know, hey, I'm from Mombasa. So from Mombasa, I came here, but where was Ushago? I went to Ushago and saw me. To lose a hype. I went to Ushago. So they were getting cases, Kila, Sigu and I said, I want to go to school, I want to go to school, I want to go to work, but I saw me. You see, used to go to businesses. You were hooking stuff. Which one? Mandazis. One. I used to sneak out of school, go buy mandazis, come. Mandazis, come. So you had this entrepreneurial skill as alias, you came to school and it was uncomfortable for you. Yes, Anna. And right now you're making money out of this makeup business. Yes, love. And speaking of school, how did you appear, thank you, your friends who are now in high school, especially, okay, you know how to trend, you know how to blog, you know how to make up, look at that headshot photo behind you. What are they saying? Did they like, you know, move away from you, they work as a man. Who you initialized your life in Ginnatwez and in Naiwa? I was born in Kwa Tu, so I was born in Fanyawewe, that's you, that's you. Actually they wanted to, sasa kujua na mimi, vizuri kus they were like, eh, feel, na duni, eh, squeeze in a kwa na tu kwa, mativi na kwa na tu na trend. Right. Yeah, form ni gani. No, kambia mimi in dokitina kwa na squeeze. So long as it brings food on the table for me. On the table, right? I'll do it. All right. Now speaking of food on the table, Wakati, you did your first gig. Amal, let's go first to Wakati you trended and you're being, you're being seen, some of these photos of you are actually being served. A lot of ladies, the slay ones were actually reaching out. Others, you know, reach out to the male and the female ones as well. How was the feedback from your dad and your mom? Wakati wali ona, wami pakaivi make-up, wana trend, laki nuna in gizapesa. And then wana ona, eh, ntututu kuna ma mwa kwa di kupakadi, ay lanshisha, mika eyebrows, how did they react to this? Actually, my parents are very supportive, right now. Really? Yeah. They're like, we're fanya, you be you. Kwa wana takia, wana takia itoksida. So long as inoksida, we're fanya, kwa raza kwa. All right. So they are good? Yeah, they are good. They are okay right now. They are perfect. Do you send them money? Yes, I do. What about your siblings now? Do you have like a sister or brother? Yes, I have my brother actually. He's also, he's a guy. Okay. Okay, actually, brother is a guy. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. He's bad at make-up. Oh, he's also a make-up artist as you as well? Yes, he's bad. So it's a business in the family? Actually, for me and my brother, yes. Also two brothers. Yes. No, we are like four brothers. Four brothers, no sister kabsa. A sister mdogo. Oh, the one with the sister. He's one and a half years, two years right now. Oh, wow. She's a... Okay. So you see, mi na bradangu no tumiyamua twingi kwa make-up. All right. And speaking of the make-up industry, how is it, especially the mainstream one? Cause even in your description, you mentioned you have worked with the top stations, you have won several awards as well. You're like the second in Kenya. You mentioned East South Africa. Yeah. Right. It was that time, it was last year. The awards, East African Fashion Awards. Okay. Yeah. So actually, it was a time, nilikwa ni mekoa within among the big fishes make-up artists, it was like, eh, normal. So for me, I used to, like, every day nilikwa, when I wake up, lazimani fanyu make- lazimani fanyu look on my face. Just like a beat, face beat. My face, I walk around town, he na Nairobi CBD. Na make-up. Eh, kutoka, my studio that time was at V-Pak Towers. I used to move from V-Pak Towers to Nation Center. Just walking like this. Just get up and say, eh, angalia, look at this one. Look at that. Evo too. Then from that, I just blew up. So it gave you that confidence as well of being in the business? It gave me that confidence. Yes. But you know, people are giving you weird compliments, others are judging as well. Mimia. How does it make your heart feel? Especially when somebody sends very nasty comments and sometimes like you mentioned, it even affected you at some point mentally in another case. Even just one text of somebody who doesn't know you, sending crazy nasty comments about you and they don't know you, it breaks you even mentally. Yeah, true. But right now, me, my parents, my dad actually told me, you just listen to what me and your mother will tell you. If we tell you ikitu, wunafana ni mbaia maids, if wukonju wa kikutukana wa kwa mbe, whatever was they'll tell you, don't put it in your mind. Let it enter here, to care for it. And speaking of not letting it enter your mind, what was that point that you broke down and you cried? And you cried. And I love the fact that, you know, yesterday on our Monday show, we had a segment, we have a segment called MCM. We host men, it's Mantuk, where we talk about men and the issues in this today we are talking about if a man should cry or not. And one of my co-hosts who is not here today said, you know, if it takes you to go to that moment where you can and then you can dust yourself off and come back, it's still fine, other than even crying in public. Now, let me get back to you again. What was that moment that broke you down ulianda wukalia and then wukarudi na wukandelena bizi? Eh, your time, matter, marambili sayi may happen twice. First time in 2020 and then last this year, 2020, starting of this year. Like four months ago The point I caught was that I was crying. I remember that week, she came to me and she said, she was doing makeup and she was doing her job and she was doing her job and she was doing her job and she was doing her job and she was crying. Wah, wah. I said, if you have a number to your mama, we know who you are. I said, you know who I am. I don't know who's the one texting me. So these are texts, not phone calls? Not texts. Wah. When you try to locate that number, it gets up on and you can't locate that number to you. Are you calling it? Are you calling it? No, it's funny. Funny. Right. Hmm? Eh, four weeks, I was in a house. I was in a house. Actually, left where I was staying went to stay at my auntie's place. Auntie's place, for your safety. Hmm. Wah. I was crying and she was crying and I was crying and she was crying and she was crying. Right. You know? Yeah. Eh, she was crying. She was crying. She was crying. She was crying. She was crying. She was crying. But I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. I was crying. Maybe someone who's trying to make me feel whatever I'm doing. You're intimidated or just in a piece. Just in a piece. To re-makeup too. Right. To re-makeup. I'm a person who has learned. I have learned. And it has made you a lot of money. I always feel good when I'm doing make-up. You always feel... I always feel... You always feel... I always feel make-up. Aha. Whatever I was stressed about when I was in Asia. In Asia? In Asia. So it's therapy to you. Yeah. I love make-up. Let me. I love doing make-up. And speaking of therapy. Before we get to some of the celebs you've worked with and even the top stations. Would you advocate for people to get up to get into this make-up business? Because it's competitive as well. Yeah. And seeing you who managed to have done make-up to people or to faces like the nano-witties. They can ambe-raise as well. Artists like masterpieces. Would you advocate for man specifically to get into this business? And I love the fact that you have perfected yours to that point that it's just extremely unique on its own way. Would you advocate for men to actually get into this business? Yes. I actually tell one or more inge kwa make-up bana. Okay. It has money. Because make-up it has it has money and make-up is one of the growing industry right now in in Kitambuato kwa na paka make-up. Nowadays like everyone wants to do make-up everyone's touch-ups. Hadini apam kikal So you might be called up for you guys to look amazing. Every day. Yeah sure. Like every girl like nowadays akita kwa na out make-up. And for a guy demakiyona eh Uchali na paka make-up. He'll actually approach you and say I want you to do my make-up. Right. Actually for us men it's an added advantage to us. You feel like it's an added advantage if you do make-up? Yeah. For real? Yeah sure. Because I know of my friends who would be comfortable even to put niver on their face. They'd be like ma na ume ni kukauka kuparara kuna shawa na une enda dakaz but you'd say no let's break the narrative right? Yes. Sqizzi una pigia ata from sqizzi adiwa no mo anafanya skin care routine. Absolutely yeah. When you wake up you do you moisturize your face. You moisturize your face. Yeah you look amazing. So you'd advocate for good skin care routine. Yes people should look good. Yeah. Maybe bimple ni kipata bimple kwa usu. Yeah. It's like you know stress depression buyer. You just want perfect, clear skin. Yeah you need to look baby boy. Amazing. Baby boy. Baby boy ma na na usu. Perfect. That confidence is what I did bro. Now there's a good there's a good headshot of I think that is DJ Piera Makenna who was also used to work here at some point. When was this and first of all what is the name of this look as well? Or this is like a glam look yeah? Oh it's called a glam look. Yeah it is glass. This year actually. This is this year. Yeah. We did a shoot like four months, five months ago. Right. Yeah. So what happens to before you get to this look? For you to get such a look you just need to eyebrows. But for this look it's like for if you need to go out this is not like you cannot go to an office with this look. With this kind of makeup. Yeah it's a glam look maybe a dinner look. Or a party. Yeah a party. Right. Yeah. This is amazing. Also there's different types of makeup. Yeah there's different types. Office kind of makeup. Yeah there's day makeup. There's night makeup. There's bridal makeup. There's media makeup. Or media makeup. Yes. And speaking of media makeup you've also worked with top stations as well. Now I've seen also this is who is this? This is Kate Actress. Oh yes Kate Actress. Yeah. It was her birthday shoot. This was her birthday shoot. Yeah. This look last year. Oh this was last year. And how do these celebrities actually come to you? Do they just call? Yeah. Do they make phone calls? Yeah. Because you have quite a huge following on social media. Yeah they call me on my peak. I'm actually they text me on Instagram. They text me. Actually me I always check on my DMs every day. Every day. Every time every time. Right. Right. And I love that this is so supported. No this year. No this year. Oh this is this year right? Right. Where was this? Was this an event? No yeah actually she was going for an event and she was also doing a content shoot. So yeah for a certain company. Right. So she called me and just went do it. And I can see you have that is lip close or lip balm? Yeah. That is lip balm. Right. It's good to musterize your lips. To musterize your lips man. I'm learning this skill. By the way when you put on maybe a different color shade because then it can change your look as well. Would you walk in town like you cha pa red one and you walk in town? Of course. Why not? Well people will be looking at you and be like they want to follow you others want to beat you. It's my life. I'm happy. So long as whatever I'm doing I'm happy. You always told me do whatever makes you happy. Okay. Your happiness matters than nothing else than anything else in this world. All right. Right. No that's my brother. No that's my brother now. This is your blood brother. Yeah. Okay. And he did that. So he's done name for this look now? This is a creative look. Okay it's called creative because I can see it has a flug, stars, there's a branch of some sort of a leaf. Yeah this is a creative look. This is the first time of him doing makeup. And when I used to do makeup when he was in high school he used to tell me feel whatever you're doing a partner. Right. Ni ni yo. Not this. He's the one. He's the one running. Yeah. Niyana Kukimbeza. So I'm just amazed at how you started this thing for yourself and all of a sudden it's picking up and you know your dad by the speaking of dads is your dad supportive in this journey? Because almost dads will be like e mtoto angu kijana na paka makeup wapi? Mbama wako sawa kabi sayani. Right. Sawa mbaka ya akuna akua ga online akua ga like social media kwa zia ni ame ingiam paka aw nione like he wants to see me what I'm doing. Yeah. Lekin tumi o picture I sent to him he posts ko a status kus leta siak ako proud this is my son. He's proud of me. Right. Kushtresi you can see this is Kushtresi. Yeah we used to Kushtresi we've come along we used to work with her at switch and used to work there for a left ear. Okay. So let's do whatever. Is this a TV look now? Media look? No it's not a media look. Aha. This is also like let's say like a creative look because of the eyes. Oh the eyes are more colorful. So we used to we wanted to match her earrings and the eyes. Earrings and the eyes. Yeah. Actually above me. Also there's there's that you know merging of if you have yes. Yes. So above hazard and leap it must merge with the eyes. Yes so like above make up right. You just trying to be creative in your own way. Okay. If you maybe you wearing a certain color of clothing you want to blend it with blend it with make up. Accessories. Yeah. So it must go so you know how to balance the makeup on the face. Yeah it's like also matching clothes. So you want to yellow. Yellow and then she knew kuna red. Yeah. Like let's say okay. So we are going to match. Right. Okay. Like let's say okay. Color blend. Come on in white and black we are going to pick white black. Okay. We are going to pop sun and then Yeah if your eyes are popping you make sure your lips is toned down. Oh it's called toning. Yeah you toned down your lips. Okay. If you have a red lipstick you toned down the eyeshadow. Oh the eyeshadow now. Yeah. See you pack a red kuna pump pack a red. Okay. Takawiyad. Ha. Ha. Takawika. Takawist. Takawist. Right. Yeah. All right and speaking of speaking of toning down if for example somebody wants you to come and do a makeup on them how much are you charging as well like a whole package of it. Yes. For example at weddings, events, media as well. Yeah. So like these there are different kinds of makeup. Yep. Okay. Kuna kuna taka just a minimal makeup. And there is full makeup that include eyelashes. So for full makeup that goes for 4-5. All right. Yeah. For just a simple look that goes for 3-5. All right. Yeah. For bridal makeup that goes for for bride that goes for 10k. Bridal. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Bibi arusi sasa kus luki abibi arusi it's different kabi sae na. Na. Pia bona arusi anafanyu. Hmm. Bona arusi pia na piguwa makeup up or touch ups. Right. Yeah. You need to. I can see this is ambare. No, no, no. This is no ambare. This is no ambare? No. This is who? This is actually it was my shoot. She was Miss Universe. She was, yeah. She was doing. Oh, this is Miss Universe? Yeah. He was he was among the people. Okay. Yeah. That show. So it was I was in a shoot. Okay. And then I just posted it. Right. Naikendangi wa kendang. Naikendi wa kendang. And speaking of Vant who are some of the celebs that you have worked with in the social in the in the entertainment space as well that continue to support you that you'd say how about it to nafanya naokazi? Nimaak nao. Wengi, baka saibadu tu naok naoaw. If they need makeup they just call me. Okay. They just go. Are there a few that are loyal? Yeah, of course. That come very often that you can mention. Yeah, like Jackie Matubia like how about the just last last week? Right. The one who did her makeup. Is this the look? No, this is not the look. This was last year's birthday. Oh, okay. Like for her right. Always if I knew her but during but this is Jackie and Appenda this is now last week. The last weeks. Yeah. I can't even tell the difference between the last year and the next. You can from the eyes. None of this is gonna stones on the eyes. Oh, those are stones. Yeah. Like real stones or? No, like stones. This is like the makeup for you being creative. Oh, right. It's like glitter because I see it's glittering. Yeah, come on glitters. Right. Is it glitters? Is it stones? Okay. And I can see the nails is enough for Anakidogona and Sambolapoko dress geni. Yeah, so we are here too. Combination. Yeah, and in here but come up with stress in baka sayu and a kujetuna baka makeup. Right. Yeah. What a difference too. Okay. Now when it comes to even the government the government kuna rules and is regulative in terms of even content and I use it they are saying they will not allow people to act in some certain type of way. Do you feel like ita kwa katoa sportwa ita limit business yako? I don't think so ita nika in a sportwa but ita limit job yako because mostly mufu baka nini neza kwa Okay, wakisa meivo neza kwa kwa kwa kwa jipaka makeup but clients one clients, yeah. They'll need my services because right now in mefkapa in tene I don't need to apply my face makeup so that people know I do makeup. All right. So you used to apply so that people know... Yes I used to market using my face. using your face. Yeah. But now people misunderstood you are conduct some of ita zingini. Right. Actually there was a time this picture this was the time now I was trending because of makeup. Right. So we took this picture Najalas and then where was this? It was at our friend's place in Kilimani. Okay. So we did it we had like something there I posted it I posted it I let I told him I told him I told him I told him I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I don't like that guy though he does his makeup Aha. Yeah. Yeah. So actually Jalango went ahead and I clarified I will tell you Jalas only delete photo ma badu yukko kwa No badu yukko true I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you Hey. You know? Hey. Like you don't focus people's life too much. Yeah. Yeah. Kama ikufresh ikufresh. Okay. Yeah. Now when it comes to the business every business has its competitors Yeah. and every business has its downside and whatnot. In your business who are some of the people that you compete a lot with and if I told do they like you know give you that competition to a point it's giving you a run for your money ready to a point you're like I have to up my game so that I get the latest trend in makeup you look at you know the fashion events kama zilekina met gala utonokunadi TV shows that they review makeup like if they're reviewing a Beyonce look they're going from the shoes to the dress to the pose to even standing itself like it's a whole commercial world about you know makeup and beauty. Now in that aspect in Kenya do you feel like there's enough competition and if yes maybe what are some of the some of the you know places that you get high competition as well. Like for me the people I work with the other makeup artist here in Kenya I don't take them like they are my friends but I always also look up to them like wana fanya nini what are they doing are there ones that you can mention though like Foyna that you compete or Foyna yeah Foyna she's also famous in her own yeah she's actually my friend actually Foyna also sometimes calls me to go teach her students right or she has a college yeah she has a college all right go show them my skills how I go about my makeup your blending yeah also Deniz Karuri he's also my friend so or Deniz Karuri yeah he's also one of the best makeup artists we have in Kenya right yeah I also go to his studio we do one and two yeah and speaking of studio you mentioned you have a studio by name Phil Lodre Phil Do Creations or Phil Do Creations yeah Phil Do Creations is it like a tv studio or a makeup studio no it's a makeup studio yeah Phil Do Creations all right where is it located I don't know it's at USIU okay USIU Road the first it's at that building is called Safari Business Arcade okay yeah Safari Business Arcade all right when you come there just ask for feel right they know you as feel right when you come there just ask for the need makeup kujapo for those people who are around that area yeah just come and you mentioned you you're also a musician so would you say you'll go back to your music thing as well because you know people start off differently kuna mse majata se ma minlianza kama pasta but sequizia mimi in motivation or speak yeah I mean there's even people who started off as rappers and they're now very famous pastors as well so for you you started off as a musician now ok nda kwa kitu kuna pend which is now makeup that put you on the map yeah yeah yeah ok I'm not saying I can never go back to singing but right now it's not like my your priority yeah but I usually I used to sing I used to be a very bad gospel rapper ok ee weh wacha bana na ma bai bovan se si pala kuleka mkuna piga po mystery mkuna lafuna yua nili kuna imbana ila ki accent kia mkuna pali mombasa yama mombasa metokatu mombasa mkuna lafuna kujapa na piga rap mkuna beli tatu ok so after upon do nika ee nika patana na kinkaka ee right therefore but music is good but it needs a lot so for me I saw upon we seek it yung are we pending then I found my your passion my passion and speaking of passion to mention kusu feedback at some point we will say we will break down wukalia do you think in Kenya people just troll wakiyona ki toa like kama ki toa zifanya wana kupatu feedback kenye ita ku break down and how have you managed to actually you know stay afloat emotionally kusu na jwe every day we curious if comments amtu wa nakutukana it gets to your heart and you mentioned you had to take a break adu kakrayadi you had to run for your safety ok me whatever I can say like ok in Kenya watwa nungiaga online they'll talk anything they want to talk ok ya wu amtu maya miyandika whatever miyandika wu komenta miyandika po it will get to a point tu yama amu amtu amtu miyandika yo komenta the negative komenta atataka maybe wafiake ata itaji makeups kumoja one day was a point to itafika ya ata kuwa eh nilungelia wibaku sui makeup sasa na itaji makeup like never talk bad thing about something bad something kusu taku jaku itaji wuna na right so in short the haters the haters continue hating since you guys are the people who is making me to keep keep going ya and speaking of haters you hung out with a lot of some of these celebrities many of them are countless how do your parents actually take take it are they like um to total inga koi biyashara akanza kupigua na maambu astarehe ama they just love the money planti wu kishao to miyapeso miyamazaji and life continues no lewa kusau tu ya ni imagine they they always check up on me kwa adi u kupoa e u kuna ni niliyo nambia miyaya nga liya kama akuna nambia da ni mi fana ni mi tumei na isa tu anga liya kisha ni kona klienta na kam ni kima alzana kus kumia lei kwa na freyanga wana keep up na mi mi lei kwa na juwa kenya na do wana juwa ni kwa api na fana ni and they are protective as well ya, they are okay there's an interview did with president Ali and you clarified some things in there kwa sama kuna arti you no longer work with them anymore maybe because of personal issues some of them you are friends with na sama kuna 1, 2, 3 muli deefa hapana pilot mati ono longer what was actually the main reason as to why maybe u liya chana na some people and you decided kunda keviako na mamboiako actually see okay wana jo kuna punti na fika nga ono na you need to go a bit higher ki dogama you need to go in a different direction wana amua tu achana chana tu na siya tu wana ambia hati ya pana sito ya pana you just move slowly fed away wana chatu kupigia nambia ah siya zi pati kana na nini ya right if you see someone will bring you down na wana sama kwa ni watu was happening behind the scenes so are you guys beefing fighting competition jealousy ama ni zo zoteata na ni you say many life in general too okay life in general too right right and would you say you're better now even in terms of business was kwa na kumbuka time on the COVID-19 pandemic kum all businesses were shaken as well kuna zile kampunizanya wana kwa mandi kwa watu kwa bida wana ambia in the home kuna wana watu adi wa li kwa affected individually kama yours as well I don't know if you affected but I would just like to know maybe if COVID-19 shook you and maybe have you recovered yet ya I used to have a studio up at Kimati house okay then COVID di kwa kudia right li kwa febapu kwa anza eh I like a kukua na hadii studio ika ni kwa funga studio right I had to close down the studio kwa pia na kila kitu sun li kwa na freelance ya then kuka aka ni kwa pata na beshtiangu utu kashkani aka utu kwa funga studio ingina but right now say ni kwa better say ni kwa poor you say you're good the money is coming in ya right now there's job flow say kuna clients there's flowing of clients kuna weddings ya you know job actually during the eh pandemic moka kenda kwa isha okay kuna kwa gana weddings, mingi weddings, mingi clients, rorashio shows ya ni kuna wana butu mingi sa not under kamaikapa right and speaking of that have you employed some people do you have like people who work with you at your place like you say you paid them a salary so like I work I have assistance eh like wherever niki so ni wenda kwa wedding I have a wedding you I cannot go alone so I go with some two people's and also students when you train after a while it's a training kuna watu wo ni ambiya they want to like work with the best students like when you najiwa they are perfect or you wanna train poor right then I refer them and then they get jobs right ya right cause I also realize I was actually chicken online there's there's just somebody who has specialized in eyelashes he's also a guy like kazeketuna eyelashes eh kazeketuna as he is meeting people the the same people you are meeting as well ya true ya it's also another kind of makeup art business ya actually beauty beauty is all rounded there's someone who will just focus on the eyebrows ineku microblade oh it's called microblading ya microblading that means you are like tattooing your eyebrows oh okay for you to still like certain years then right na isha nolia me specify tuna lashes pekiake right ya so for me ni me specify like the beauty beauty backup face bit face bit right ill let you bring out I'm gonna load you up a face bit bro na lisa ma haa pana singi kuja pana face bit leo nata kumniwani natural okay so so there you go nge ni ambi umutagani kuja ni pangapa if you tooki pigashas interview me ni kuapa we're on a je pakatu I wish that would have been possible now speaking of that janas we almost are closing up Jana we had a conversation on our segment I mentioned to you MCM and we were talking about you know a man having support mabuichal doona go through mambu mengi sana ke kuja pali depression ni ni ni and one of the guys said sometimes nivizuri kuana role model as a father figure mania atakusho this is how to be a man this is how you go about with manhood this is how you deal with the relationships and women in your experience as well as a male make up artist do you feel like you know every man needs a man you know kind of figure to actually you know show him that this is how you go about being a man or a boy child as well for me and not really for me no you don't need a father figure no for me no me my father is if in case I need to confirm go something if you need to talk to a man I'll just call my father because apange ni kisema you need to look nataka kuwa ui maybe aniku anani motiviutama all right me maybe I'm doing something different enye atarezi penda all right because me actually watuengu unikritisize inwa na ume oh siwa na hake so your biggest fund fund base are women yeah women so for me for men all right ningumu sana wukuti kusazi elewa kenye mi na fana and would you say that has made you feel resentful some type of way inakfanyani autekieta ku interact na men a lot it's only women no not really I interact with men but siko sana kus yeah kus you feel like kuna wene wataka wukritisize kazi ako ikufanyu kuwa na hape for nothing but wene na juwa we have we have friends we are close they know what I do they always motivate me they always talk to me but ningumu sana upate nikipata na na then you just it's hard for me most of my friends are ladies ladies right because they even love they just want to be friends with you so that you can make a path fund base yungu kukuma dem jobi angu ni ma dhim okazi yeti ni ma dhim like jobi angu nifis yeah like girls doing makeup and speaking of that still on mantas mental health you mentioned bro will it break down we buy a sana o kaliya and since also September is a suicide prevention month it's marked on every 10th of September annually worldwide and it's also a day that talks about you know mental health awareness how can we create spaces then it's a policy a safer environment and as I communicate how they feel they talk authentically about you know the things they are going through and even in your experience you breaking down what to control na kukubuli do you feel like we need a space even for men where they can you know find a place where they can go to share their pain share what they are going through and come out when they are better yeah it's true as for men we also need kuna point in afikaga ununa una jo kifungi aki tu sana kitu inakusumbua and for like wana ume wana kwa ga apana min man ame kama ume nini if you need to cry cry if you need to talk to someone talk to someone you know like in three months this year three months juzi juzi tu unali kwa nimekatu na mabeshtewangu mabuiz na we are somewhere out I told them but there you guys kuna kitu na nusumbua nitu kutu wana bia apana wei wachu ume lewa yu kunyo sana nini ah okay wakasa matunde ho went tukatu kwa bnb tukalala ah tu luku atu tendele na shere tukendele na shere nika wam bia apana siko sana manzea na umbe apana wende ulali so I went to sleep kwa rum niki oni me jike live machu zi kanzakutoka I woke up nika patua make up nuka mbem still not okay I opened the door I went kwa bara bara it took me phone and started going live no I posted guys I'm not okay I just need someone to talk to that's right masimu zi kapigu anini so I switched off my phone kwa zi nil masimu zi tanzaku ingiapa so I went live for IG nika sama guys I'm not okay I was crying like zi ati nalia utu kutaka like na fila oku onu na fila oku sana do you have like a pasta maybe you go to for help pana kwa umbe anini mimi your mom as well my mom always prays for me wei wei very every day prayers of a mother right yeah baya kwa I believe in her prayers kwa kwa as a time I was very sick I was supposed to go for an operation then she just prayed for me and I didn't go kwa kwa sana yo kitu anya nil kwa na sumbo ili kapo tia ikawisha right yeah so the prayers of a mother do work a lot my mom always prays for me and I begin kuna ikutu na kwa sumbo na mimi wei suni umbe yeah sorry I'm told our time is up but just a quick one before you say your social media and where people can find you and where you are accessible at what is the craziest thing you've ever done and you'll say hee ili kwa crazy one craziest thing yeah I don't think that I don't think it's craziest thing I've ever done stop playing self one for real stop playing self okay I don't I don't think it's craziest thing I've ever done all right would you rather die young or live forever young yeah live forever young live forever young okay which other which other which other crazy one would you rather have a mind that actually sees what everyone talks about you especially out of your country or just be numb and never hear anything and keep on going eee now go to dump I will ninge penda kwa ne omai na nanskiyana jwa kila msu kenya na nangelia all right Fafadali ni kufeni kidwa na nangelia mki sema na tiny all right kuli kwa nifkiri eti kupa nasakwa na nifkiri liya ni nisasa okay ah you mentioned Dennis Karrorias your ex it sorry are you still working with him or do you still work with him yeah we we are friends you talk Ya, we talk, we talk. 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