 It's my pleasure to introduce mr. Christian martini martini martini. Oh martini. That's even better Chris is with us from the Center for subjectivity research and the Helena Elsis Center Yeah, I love that title. Do you use that every time you present yourself? No. No, you don't you have an acronym for it or Irrigation no, okay Today is here to break down the wall of what I find extremely interesting closed minds be a round of applause ladies and gentlemen Christian Go try to imagine that you are unable to transform your ideas and intentions into actions This is the life for many people living with physical Psychological and social disorders. They lack agency. They lack control over mind and body They are sort of say enclosed in their own minds in my PSD project I want to deal with this issue of closed minds And I'm not gonna do that by breaking bad and inventing some open mind rock But I'm gonna look at cerebral palsy Which the Sun in the TV series breaking bad lives with cerebral palsy is a brain damage in the motor cortex and the cerebellum And it leads to motor control difficulties But also leads to higher socioeconomic cost and more importantly personal cost So how do we break down the walls of closed minds in cerebral palsy? First thing the mind is open. It's always open It's bodily something we act something we do together with others and something we can use technology like smartphone to extend So if we want to understand closed-minded, we better be not be closed-minded scientists We need to be open-minded and open up cognitive science So we need to open up for collaboration with other minds and I developed in interdisciplinary collaboration an interview framework where we took first-person data from living with CP and Correlated with third-person data from brain scans. We found out that the motor control difficulties was actually not the biggest problem But mental exhaustion, uncertainty, anxiety and sociophobia Together with the Helene-Elter Center, we developed the open-minded therapy Where we actually let people with CP go through social camps in which they could experience embodied and inactive increase in their agency and their control But one thing is therapy another thing is the social world everyday life in the social world and usually we understand this in science by the universities and in our closed labs We wanted to understand the social world of CP in another way, so we engaged with Very experts in interaction namely actors and theater directors at the Royal Dennis Theater And they gave us this lab So that was very nice and we did an open experiment and a theater play where we found out that when we engage and encounter CP We experience lack of agency and control but that is actually possible through engagement to open up our closed minds and Change the social understanding of CP and We are currently developing we have developed a company where we do this with two other Depression and anxiety one thing is publishing this knowledge in journals another is to do it online We wanted to show you so we did a documentary movie about it So I encourage you to go to the cinemas tomorrow actually and see how we did this new way of opening up our minds We are currently doing that also at an open media lab at Roscoe University And if you I like these ideas, I hope you go to the cinemas and see how we are trying to break bad Breaking down the walls of closed minds and science and to repurposing. Thank you Thank you Thank you Christian. Thank you Christian Jury he's all yours Very interesting presentation. I missed you at some point where you said that you had to go to the theater to Understand something about CP. Could you say that again? Yeah, because yeah, the reason why we did this is because in Modern social cognition. It's not about engagement. The mind is not just something in our heads It's actually something we socially engage and in a lot of research done on theater Is actually that what the theater does it's engages you so what we thought there was and it's not just me There's lots of social cognitive sciences arguing this but what we thought was why set up a lab inside universities Why not do it with actors and theater directors that know how social engagement actually functions? So what we did was we did some We hijacked a focus group that didn't know they wanted to go to the theater and then we did some Psychological testing we did some question service doing a theater play We did some psychological testing afterwards and we did some interviews and what we found out with these things that when they experience Repurposing people with cerebral palsy. They actually become close-minded But what we also found out and that was the idea was could a theater play Actually break down the wall of this close-mindedness and transform it into a more sort of say open Engagement with cerebral palsy. So it was both a theater play and a lab session and an experiment I might be a little bit slow, but so did you have Patience on the stage or did they have a play we had this guy about we had this guy Jacob no cell Yeah, who's also the main character in the movie Because it's about the theater play and what we did was Jacob and another actor a Christopher Fabricius we set up social interaction trying to show what is the life from the perspective of cerebral palsy So we did set up all these things of Jacob going through his day in order to see if people could understand relate it So it's a theater about social cognition social understanding So we had the other who lives with cerebral palsy and has spastic speech He was the main character on stage and then we tried to sort of say manipulate now nudge or something like that People into to engagement What is your scientific perspective here or scientific perspectives? Is it medical? Psychological or like the way of this is the a big huge new project in cognitive science I'll show you called the open mind and the whole idea of being open-minded cognitive sciences It's not just to put you in. I'm a philosopher. I'm a psychologist. I'm a neuroscientist I'm a bit of both the whole idea is that it's not so much about being in silos trying to in our own discipline to understand The mind it's too complex. So what we do is actually I work in my PhD project is in philosophy psychology and neuroscience And I work with psychologists and neuroscientists. So the scientific perspective is cognitive science. It's the mind Could you tell us something about the short-term and long-term? Advantage of your research What will be mean to the greater society and the okay the short term? It has already meant a lot for these people at the Helene Elsa Center, and I think we have done this was a pilot camp Intervention it's a therapy but a therapy and we have done ever since that I think 10 camps so the short term is that already a hundred and twelve people have went through these and the success is huge they have gone through both Teenagers and adults both severe handicapped in wheelchairs and more able people have gone through this and that Sort of say success is extreme crazy. Not because of me, but because of the therapists and the long term is actually I'm working with the Shoshail Stuelsen I don't know that the English word for that where we actually are working on these things of Trying to with the movie and the theater play of working on prejudices So it's not just about working directly and individually with the person with three propulsion It's also working with their relatives are working with a social narrative of how you understand people that live with Disability and hope that's not something you do like in a day-to-day basis That's something you do strategically and politically over a long period of time. So that's what we want to raise With this film and one we are what I've been discussing the last couple of weeks in radio programs and televisions Great. Thank you. We have time for one question from the audience. Would anyone like to ask Christian? Martini about his break in the walls of closed mind. Yes, sir. Let me get you the mic one second you go You said that you had huge results have they been have you published anything on it and Have your results been reproduced by anybody else not That's all. I don't know if you follow the psychology big debate on reproducibility in psychology That's a bit difficult, but I'll leave that aside It's been published in a number of articles some of them you can find see if I can you can find here There's some more somewhere It's not been reproduced But the way we also work in an open-minded cognitive science. It's not so much of falling into the Evidence-based trap. We're working with people here. So what the way we validate these things is actually more pragmatic It's to see if it actually works for the people that more or less in inflicted which means to repurpose so That's more or less the best answer and hopefully somebody will take it up and we can discuss these things that have been published so great That's it. You're Right on time. That's awesome. Wonderful. Ladies and gentlemen a big round of applause for Christian Martini I'll fast forward so ladies and gentlemen, you know the routine one minute to score your speaker