 Alrighty, absolutely fantastic. Once again, welcome back. You're still hanging out with us right here on the hashtag, which is Y in the morning, and this is the last interview of the day. But before that, you can always interact with us on our social media, and that includes eggs, Facebook, and Instagram, including threads, at 1-2-4-4 channel, and mine is at Brian's cell call 1-1, via the hashtag Y in the morning. And I guess that I'm about to introduce to you, by the way, before we just get too far, just start sending questions. Start sending them questions, I'll be sampling them right here on my phone as we continue their conversation. Now the guest who is live with us in the studio, you might remember her from a syndicated TV magazine dubbed NTV Teen Republic, from radio to TV. She's a master of killing it when it comes to media. Talk about digital influencing, MCing, actress, being a moderator, good lord, she's a jack of all trade. Not only is she just charming, she's beautiful, and powerful, and a legend in the making. Ladies and gentlemen, guess who? Miss Tracy 1-0. Good morning, Tracy. Brian, that was a really amazing introduction. I've actually never had anyone introduce me like that. I heard that and I was like, yeah, that's me. That's me. That's me, yeah. Look at me. Yeah, but we're going to have to write that next time, so that even when I go do some things, I'm like, yeah. So I'm, you know, a legend in the making. Absolutely. No, that's great. I love that. Thank you so much for having me, Brian. And welcome. We are so elated and so excited to have you. And first of all, to meet you in person, apart from reading about you, watching you on TV, listening to you on radio. And talking on the phone. Yes, and talking on the phone, a new friend. So how do you do all of this before we get to even know who you are and how you started? How do you just balance all that? I feel like especially being in the industry that we're in, it's really easy to sort of like balance because you're not really having like a nine to five or, you know, an eight to four kind of sort of like engagement, right? So it's easier to manage because you understand what's going on throughout your days. So you have like a five hour work window, or sometimes you don't even have a five hour work window, you know? So it becomes really easy to juggle because you realize the days that I have worked are some things that I'm going to have to let go. There are things that maybe I could do. So for me it's sort of been really about balancing. It's just looking at my days and seeing, what can I do, what can I not do? And one thing that I came to realize is that you can't have, for example, five priorities. You have just, you can only just have one priority, right? So for example, Brian, today you have to host a Y2 for show, or you have to go get your hair done. You can't say both of them are your priorities. This one that's the bigger priority. So which one is it? It's you coming for the show. So that's how I look at things in life. I can't do everything in one day, but I could figure out this is my priority for the day, and that's what I'm going to do. So it's more about being productive than being busy. Right, because a lot of people would prefer to be busy because sometimes the people think the more busy you are, the more fulfilled and productive you are. But it's really not. It's really not. You end up being burnt out, and you look at the gains and you're like, no, I really didn't gain as much as I should have. So find that priority for your day and maximize on that. It could be even just reading a book, you know? Absolutely, right. There's a notification that's coming. Is she Kenyan? Definitely she's here. She's going to tell us if she's Kenyan or not, but let's backtrack a little bit. Where did you grow up? Where were you born? And are you really Kenyan like she's saying right here? Yes, so I am born and raised Kenyan. My mother is Kenyan. My dad is not Kenyan, right? So he's South Korean, but I grew up with my mother. She was a single mom. And yeah, it's been quite the journey. So I don't remember this, but my mom, when she came to Nairobi, she tells me that she had given birth in that area, in Dandora area. And then from there, we moved to South V, then from South V, moved to Zimmerman from Zimmerman. Now moved on to other places in life. But the core places that I do remember of my life is now Zimmerman, because that's where I remember a lot of the things that shaped exactly childhood memories. I remember your homegirls, homeboys. You know, the tomboy things that we used to do, you know, riding bikes. You were a tomboy? Yes, I feel like we just did a lot of tomboy stuff because, you know, either playing football, you know, riding the bike. You played football. Yeah. So we used to do this thing where we'd ride the bike from Zimmerman to Ghidorai, because it's not too far, right? Yeah. So you just go up the hill and then you go down. So Zimmerman really holds a lot of the memories that I have exactly of my childhood. What about your high school before you get to uni and then media? High school was also very, it was very convoluted in the sense that I really changed schools a lot in the four-year season, because, you know, it's just four years. But in four years I'd gone to three schools. Yeah. Why was happening in between? So the first school that I went to, I experienced a lot of bullying. All right. So I just couldn't stay there for too long. The bullying was too excessive and it got to a point where if I was going to have a good mental well-being, or even physical, because it even got to a point where my physical well-being was being threatened. So sorry for that. So yeah, I couldn't do that. And then now move to the other school. Was it because of skin color? I believe it did have a role to play in that, because I was one of the only light-skinned girls there. Right. So it did play a role. Like you received a lot of negative attention. A lot of negative attention. And it's really hard because that's not what you want. You know, you're just there. Like you're enjoying life as everyone else. You're going to school just like everyone else. But the attention being drawn to you is negative when you're not even, that's not your intention, you know. Right. So yeah, then move to another school. Three of them. Now, no, the second one. The second one. And then was there for a year, because my mother felt like I needed more competition or whatever, then I'll move to my last school, which is where I graduated from. Are you able to shout them out and mention them? Yes. So I finished my fourth year of high school in Rihara Springs High School. Right. That was a cool kid's school. Yeah, it was. And let me tell you, when I went there, I was like, oh my goodness, people eat like this. You know, because my first school was a public school. So you know how Pabo ate? Ooh, been there. You know, you had to be there every day, to dream, then you had to come in. Like it's freestyle. I had to go on a fight for that to get it covered. And it's freestyle. Aye. My God, it was really difficult. The second school was, you know, okay. But now going to Rihara, I was like, oh my goodness. You're like, this is in Kenya? People are actually beautiful like this. You know, even the dorms. Public school, you understand how the dorms look like. Right. And also even the health. There are like a million in the whole. The healthcare facility as well. Exactly. Everything in Rihara Springs High School was just fantastic for me. It really felt like a vacation. Yeah. I wish most of us would have such sweet experiences. Yeah, I love that. I love that place for me. Right. And then Rihara is still a group of schools because they have a uni. Yes, they still have the university. But around that time, I had already decided to do something else. So it wasn't the best fit for me. But here we are. Finally, graduated by the way. Probably it was low, right? Sorry? You like gravitated towards low, tried it and then. Tried it, didn't work. Didn't work. Tried communications, didn't work. Communication didn't work at first? Yes. But not because I think I didn't want it as bad as I thought I did. But then also now I just graduated with a bachelor's in international relations. Yeah, but congratulations. Thank you. I was to say that. Thank you so much. Bachelor's degree in international relations. And honestly. At USIU. Co-Kids still. Co-Kids. I don't know what people talk about, but yeah, I guess. I see, yeah. It was, it's been a long time coming, but this is where I feel like my heart needed to be and where I needed to be. Because I'm really passionate about global issues. I'm really passionate about women and children. So when you understand international relations, and you know, especially because I, I concentrated in peace and conflict studies, you look at women and children and how they're affected in situations where there's conflict. And really that's where my heart is, and that's where I'd want to make an impact. Yeah, and now with Ukraine and Palestine, Hamas, Russia. Yeah, a lot of the disturbing footage that we're seeing online is, you know, women, children, you know. And even when you look at international humanitarian law, they're vulnerable persons because unfortunately in the event of a conflict like what we have, they're the ones that suffer the most, right? Not to also, not to say that, you know, the men and older people are not, but it's extremely, extremely hard for the kids. You've seen some of those videos, god-wrenching. Yeah, really heart-breaking. God-wrenching. Yeah, heart-breaking. How do they make you feel when you see that now that you've graduated and your passion is there? Do you cry sometimes? Do you have an initiative that you've already said? Yesterday I was at the gym and I saw a video and I literally just started crying. But you know, it also just makes me think about, as Tracy, what's the change that I can make, you know. And sometimes you can maybe do much for, you know, the children, the women there. But here at home, there are people also going through a lot of hard times. How can I be that change for them? You know, how can I help them? And I believe that's what my degree now showed me. Because honestly, before, I was just doing the degree just to do the degree. And then I started learning things and I'm like, oh my goodness, we actually have a role to play. Right. Yeah. Absolutely. Now that you mentioned that media, before we talk about motherhood and the hiatus you took, so when did you officially start, you know, media? Your first gig, what are the memories? What happened? Did you in town? Did you go to auditions? Take us to that journey. Before you become the Tracy of NTV, talk about Larry Maddow, your friends, Mina Abdi-Rabbar and the rest. So my journey started in 2015 and it was a very, very, honestly, it was just, we can just say it's God, because this is nothing that I had planned. Nogod Mazir. Nogod Mazir. So I hadn't planned on being on TV because when I finished high school, my plan, like I said, was to go to law school. That didn't work. And then I quickly realized that I needed money to stay afloat. And you know, I did a couple of things and I was just like, you know what, man, I just hope one day that I could get something to do. Because a lot of the jobs me and my friends were doing were like, you know, go to the clubs, you know, sell appearances. No, no, no, just give brochures or, you know, bottle service kind of, you know, work. And, you know, for a long, you do that for a while and it's like, okay, this is not what I want to do for a long time, right? So one time me and my friends had gone for a gig, which was supposed to be an advertising job. But we ended up not getting the gig. Where was the gig? It was at the airport. So when we were in the van, you know how when the crew and all of you guys are just sitting in the van trying to make your way from one, we're trying to make our way from one terminal to the other? And Martin Kemati was actually there. And he was like, who became your co-host? Who became my co-host. So he saw me and my friends and was like, by the way, and if he's looking for a co-host for the show that I host, exactly, a female co-host, I think you guys should come through. And we're like, yeah, we're looking for money. We'd love to come through, you know, at that point you're just exactly at that point, you're just doing it for the money. So a month came by and then the day of the auditions came. So me and my friends were like, okay, now let's go. We need to go and try our luck. So the auditions were actually at the flyover just down the road here at Nairobi Uni, the flyover that connects from the Central Police Station to the other side. So that's where the audition was. We did the audition, didn't get feedback for like three months. So of course me and my friends were just like, we didn't get the job, you know, yet you've even forgotten about it. And three months is long. And three months is a long time, exactly, because we did the interview, we did the audition in November and they didn't get back to us until like end January. The following year, which year? Exactly, so that's 2015. And we did the audition end of 2014. So now that night, me and my friends had gone for one of those gigs that I'm telling you about, you know, make sure that people are seated well, make sure that people are eating, drinking, having a good time, you know. And I received a call and I didn't know who the call was from. So I'm like, hey, what's up? They're like, oh yeah, you got the job. I'm like, what job? They're like, you got the job for the TV show. I'm like, what TV show? You know, because I completely forgot about it. You had forgotten about it. And he was like, yeah, you remember you did this audition? I'm like, oh my goodness. I didn't, I couldn't even believe. Was it a male caller or a female? It was a male caller, right. And anyway, that's, that happened. And now it was, we had to go for training and all that stuff. So that's how my journey started. Right. And now looking back, I again, negate to. Exactly. And how was your first time, your first time appearance? I know sometimes it's, it's crazy appearing on TV, especially on a national big broadcaster like Nation, which you were out for a long time. It's really daunting to be honest. Yeah. And I made a lot of mistakes. Looking back, I made a lot of mistakes on air. But I think that's really just part of the journey. You just have to be okay with making mistakes. You know, sometimes you say something and you're like, oh my God, what did I say? I shouldn't have said it that way. Or maybe I should have delivered the message a bit differently for the audience. So all that stuff, you come to, you come to realize that it's just part of the process. And I'm happy that I went through that process. Right. And I'm also grateful for the training process. I remember my first live show, however, was a big, I don't remember the name of the concert, but it was a concert. And I was just there attending. And then all of a sudden we were told, you have to do the live coverage. Right. And that just threw me in the dip end. But also what I've come to realize is that you really just need to believe in yourself. Even if you don't feel well equipped, the confidence will make up for at least 70% of that. And then the 30% just try and, you know, do a little bit here and there. But you just showing up for yourself and feeling confident and knowing that you've got it is half of the job. And you looked the part. You exactly looked the part. And you guys had amazing chemistry. Martin came up to a point, you know, we thought you guys were dating. Oh my God. But how is that feedback and that energy? People thinking that you guys are. You know what? Martin and I used to fight a lot actually. That was the contrary. Martin and I, we used to fight a lot. Yeah. Because, you know, you come to a point where you guys are like brother and sister, like for real, for real, you know. Exactly. So you guys are fighting over the weirdest things. But also at the same time, it's because you love each other so much and you're protective of each other. Exactly. So, you know, I gained a brother from Martin and he's still a brother until now, you know. My family loves him. You know, his family loves me. And, you know, that's just kind of, that's just the fact, that the kind of relationship that we have. Right. And how has he experienced at nation? Because sometimes you pop in a lot on the trend. But you also had a chance to co-host on the trend even when the door was there. Yes. And met that community of friends with Kina Mina Biroba and Anita Ndero as well, who is a good friend of yours. How's that friendship and that networking and meeting them on the show? It's been a blessing because you've come to learn a lot of things from all these individuals because, you know, just as I'm talking to you, Brian, there's something that I could learn from you. Right. Because we're different people, have different experiences, you know, have different outlooks in life. And that's why I love the job that I have, is because you get to meet people and really just see them for who they are, you know, love them for who they are, and really appreciate them for who they are. So you get to, you get to learn a lot from all these experiences. And that's what I love about our work because you, you just learn a lot by the interactions. Wow. How has experience working with Larry Mador now that he's at CNN? I know he's a good friend of yours. He's a very hard-working man. Additionally, he's also very passionate about his work. And I think when you have those two combined, you have an unstoppable person. Passion and diligence, I mean, unstoppable. That's what Larry is. Right, and he's actually admirable to me. Very admirable, right? Exactly. Do you talk? We occasionally, occasionally, but not as much. But occasionally, he's a very busy man. I know. And how was your stint at nation? How many years in terms of period? So that was 2015 to, so that was five years. Five good years. That was five good years. Half a decade. Which went by so fast. Yeah, like it flushed before your eyes. Exactly. So did the contracts end or you guys resigned? Because all of a sudden we saw, I think you came, you came in after Ani Tenderu and Antonia Sol. Yes. They were actually like the fast, fast, fast hosts. And then you guys came in and Martin. And then we had Aziz Hashim and Joseph Trends. And then you left. But then sometimes you do make appearances. What happened in between? So what had happened was in 2021, no, in 2020, yeah. In 2020, I found out that, you know, I was with child. Surprise, surprise. Surprise, surprise. So when I found out that, you know, I was going to be a mother soon, I decided that that's not something that I wanted to do, moving forward. So it was just me saying, you know what, it's time for me to embrace my new season. And my new season is now motherhood. So that's why I said goodbye to 10 Republic. Stature was a warm transition. It was a warm transition. I think it was, it was now difficult for Martin now to move forward because we already had such a chemistry, a great chemistry, you know, like we literally had a really strong bond as brother and sister. So, you know, moving forward was definitely different. And I also believe, you know, they also wanted a new direction for the show, which they got in very good, they got really good presenters, Aziza and Joseph Trends. So, and now, of course, this exactly, exactly now moving forward to now, maybe the new set of hosts that they're going to have. So, you know, that's just how life is, you know. One season is done. Anita season was done. My season was done. You know, Aziza season was done. And now let's see who the new cats are. Right, so still good readings and still allies through the station. 100 percent, yes. All right, now, thank you so much for sharing about that. Now, your transition now to motherhood, you're taking a social media hiatus and then making a radio comeback on Capitol. When did that happen and how was it? Please tell us. I decided to take the hiatus because motherhood is not as easy as people have made it to look. And that's just my experience. Because before getting into motherhood, I thought it was going to be the easiest thing. And shout out to our mothers because our mothers made motherhood look like the easiest thing. Like when you see a mother going through motherhood, you don't think about how hard it is. You think about how strong this woman is, how strong this, you know, this woman is facing the challenges. You don't really see the nitty gritties of the everyday today life of a mother. And it's very, very difficult. So when I was hit by that, I was like, oh my goodness, I cannot do anything else because I was a full-time mother. And you loved it. And I loved it. And I loved it. With its challenges, I absolutely loved it. Is there something that changed, by the way? Is there some things that changed about... There's a lot of things. Sorry, Danita. Bestie Manenos. The Tracy on TV and the Tracy on Mom. Is there a difference between the two? I would say, yes. In the sense that Tracy, now me, inherently, I'm a very conservative person and that has also just transcended in how I do my parenting. You know, as far as Tracy, the media personality, Tracy, the media personality is outgoing, you know, is a good time, is a fun time. Bubbly. Not saying that, you know, at home I'm just like... Gangster mom. No, but it's just how I look at life. I wouldn't say there are two very different people, but I feel like, inherently, I'm a very introverted, very conservative person, so there's that. And that's, like I said, transcended in how I've done my motherhood. Right, and you were talking about battles that mothers go through. Is there at a point when postpartum kicked in and how did you battle it out if it happened? Right, so that's one thing that I believe every single mother needs to be prepared for, and that is what they call the fourth trimester. So the fourth trimester is just the period that the three months after you've just given birth, that is what the fourth trimester is. And that is something that I did not prepare for, because like I said, our mothers have done it so effortlessly and you think it's just that easy. Right, so then you get into your fourth trimester and you're like, oh my god, you want to tell me I can survive on one hour of sleep? You know, so it's a sleepless night. It's the constant exhaustion. Your body is in pain because you did give birth to a human being. So there's all these changes that you're not properly prepared for. So what I would say is that you should definitely prepare because I was not prepared. Another thing is acknowledging the season that you're in. So one of the biggest triggers for my postpartum, I would say, so I did this test. It's called a BDI test. So that's Bex Depression Index. Bex Depression Index. So what it does, it gives you a list of questions and you're supposed to put your points. And after you've cumulatively collected or added your points, then you get to see, do you have mild depression? Do you have severe depression? It's like an up. No, it's not really, I'll show you actually. It's like, for example, what I would equate it with is not equated really, but just give you an example. It's like, for example, the earthquakes. You have the Richter scale. It gives you the strongest number. The magnitude as well. The magnitude exactly. And then you have the least. Exactly. So it's the same thing as the Bex Depression Index. Wow, that's new. So I did that. That's new. I did that and I realized that I did have some sort of postpartum depression, which was a mild postpartum depression. How did you kick it? The thing is acknowledging what you're going through because I really wanted to go back to the Tracy that was before Mother Earth. You know, doing the things that I wanted to do, freedom, because also when you become a mother, you can't just leave the house. You have to figure out, okay. You are grounded. You really are grounded. You have to figure out, okay, if I leave at this time, what will this mean for my child? What will, you know, all that stuff. So I really wanted to go back to Tracy pre or rather, yeah, pre-motherhood and that was not possible. So acknowledge that you're in a new season and embrace the challenges of that season. Did you feel stuck? It's not going to be easy. Yeah. Did you feel stuck? And that's the problem because you feel so stuck. You're doing the same thing every single day. Right? Like you're waking up the same time. You're feeding the child at the same time. You're putting them to sleep. You're trying to, you're trying to give them a shower. You're trying to burp them. You're trying, all every single day for a good year. You're just like, oh my God, is my life going to come back to normalcy? But that is your normal for that season. And that's something I wish I knew earlier, because I would have taken it so much easier on myself. So acknowledge your season, love your season because it is just a season. And you're doing it so well, but you know, we don't know the name of the child or the kid, the bouncing baby. And we'll never know, like he's saying. Is it a boy or a girl? Never know. Sour, too. And then you've also kept it private, no photo, no sneak peek, no hand, no leg. But why is it necessary, by the way, to have that kind of privacy? Even not just for your kid, but even for the rest of the family and anyone else who is in the public domain and an intense space like media, where it's all about attention, you know, cameras, people talking, people gossiping, sometimes things are written and you're like, damn, is that even me? I don't know that version of me, though. How do you, what is the importance of actually doing that? I believe it's so important, especially when you have a child, because you want to protect this child from the things that they wouldn't be able to grasp so easily. Because you know, when you're older, you understand, okay, maybe these people are writing these things because, you know, they're just hurt people or they just want to make a story. But imagine explaining to your child why someone wrote a very weird article about you or them, you know, it becomes a very difficult or, you know, it just becomes very difficult to sort of like navigate such things. And they have no right of defense. Exactly. They have no right of defense. You know, they have no right of defense whatsoever. So you really just need to protect that innocence. And for me, one thing that I wanted to do is make sure that my child remains a child for the period that they need to become a child. And then when they move to a season where they're no longer a child, then they can do other things at that time. Because also a big issue that we're starting to see now is identity issues. Crisis, yeah. Right? So I don't want to have my child really seek their identity from a place that should not give them identity. And that's why I did not want to introduce them to social media or even, you know, give them my phone to do things on social media. I don't, I don't want that. So at what point will you allow them to have social media and maybe have an iPhone? Probably when they're like 21. Hi, 21 is too, you're too grown. Honestly, I would say, realistically speaking, I would say around 16 years. Yeah, 16 is good. I would say 16. What if the school, you'll take your kid to, they have gadgets and what. You know what, I'm actually really considering homeschooling. I'm really. To just protect your kid from that. So what is your advice also to celebrities who have their kids? All out there. The likes of, I don't know, let's stop, name dropping. Let's not name them. Yes. That's to have kids all over. I feel like once they're there, it's really hard to really give them advice. Just to each their own. You know, if you feel like that's good for you and your family, then do it. Absolutely. You know, but if it's like for me and my family, that's not something that we want to do. You know, I want to protect my child. I want to protect my partner. I want to protect our home. It is actually a sanctity. People expected less. We'll likely see rings, legs, our shoulder, legs, shoes, but nothing. You kept it all, you know, private. You know, I want to protect them and I love what we have. Yeah. Do you think most media personalities have that skill that you have of just like keeping it under wraps? I don't know if it's a skill. No signal. I don't know. But I feel like right now though, it's really hard for people to be very discreet because the more you share, the more interesting you are. I don't know if you've noticed that. Like the more you're talking about something, the more you're sharing about who you've slept with, you know, what you've done. That's, people want to see that. So you kind of like, exactly. But if you're just there, no one wants to know what's going on. So the more you put out, the more people want to know and you get into that cycle of I need to give more. I need to give more. So, and that's something that I never wanted for me or my family. I don't, I really don't need to give more. Like what you see is just what you get. What you get, absolutely. And it should be like that. We have like four minutes with you before we play the game. There's somebody here who's saying ask her if she has siblings and then what scares her now that she was on TV for so long. Yes, she was on TV for a very long time. What scares you and before we play the game? So I do not have any siblings. I'm the only child. Right. She's the only child. But as far as what scares me the most, I would say what scares me the most is not realizing my purpose because you always be constantly trying to figure out what to do. So, and that's something that I also want to to, that's something I really pray for my child as well, that they don't have to battle finding their identity or finding their purpose, you know, that they they're able to find it early enough so that they can really just focus on that. So that's my, that's my biggest fear, not finding my purpose. And it's hard, especially when you're older and you're just like, oh my God, what am I doing? As we go, maybe what are some of the projects that we should expect from you? What is your advice to any young and upcoming media personality that looks up to you? Of course, they know your name out there. If they're looking up to you, what should they, what should they actually expect as well? And there may be a license of land that you love to give them any tools that you have for them. This is your camera before you tell us your social media and when your radio show airs on Capitol. Okay. So I will be back on TV very soon, actually very, very soon. So stay tuned for that because I will be sharing with you the new project that we're working on. Additionally, I have something also preparing or cooking for you moms because I really, like I said, I want to impact moms and children because I truly believe that when a mother is the best of their self, if that even makes sense, but when a mother is great, is doing well, mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, they're able to really pour into their children. And that really just changes the dynamics of the communities that we live in. So mothers, there is something coming for you and also children. So stay tuned for that. Additionally, you could follow me and also show media pages that is at Tracy when you're underscore. I'm just to keep up with a lot of things that maybe I may just one day just wake up and say, aha, I'm launching this. But so far, those are the two projects that I'm really, really keen on launching very soon. So look forward for that. And for every single girl, boy who's looking at me and wants to really join the media fraternity or start this journey, believe in yourself. Like you've actually got everything in you to make it happen, to become as big as Larry, or even bigger than Larry. That's a big thing. You have it in you. All you need to do is just believe in yourself, put in the work, trust the process, as much as the process can really suck. Trust it because it really is, all this really contribute to the person that you will become. So you've got this, believe in yourself. And thank you so much. I forgot to ask you, when did you become friends with Trace Songs? But we'll talk about that. I think that's the time I also met Trace Songs, but from a very far. But anyways, thank you so much, Tracy, for dressing us. I wish you had more time. I'm being rushed in my ear that like, we are cutting you off air. We need to cut. Okay, okay, we need to go. Yeah, so thank you so much for coming through. And nice to meet you in person. We wish you the best of luck in everything you do. Thank you so much for watching. It's been such a pleasure being here with wine. All right, we see you next time, right here on Wine the Morning.