 Hi, everyone. Welcome back to our podcast from the Kamasutra to 2020, where we talk about all things to do with sexuality. Today, I have with me, Sachi Malhotra. Sachi is not just a really good friend, but she is also the founder of that sassy thing, which if you haven't heard of it, you need to go and check it out immediately. It's a new age sexual wellness brand, and it literally offers you everything that you're ever going to need when it comes to your pleasure and also physical hygiene, intimate health, and so on, right? Hi, Sachi. Welcome. Hi, Seema. Thank you so much for having me. It's such a pleasure to be, you know, talking to you about all things. I mean, everything. I think I can't just say like all things sex, but like life in general. I'm just really excited to be here. It's so good of you to have found the time for us, Sachi, because today, I want to talk to you about sex toys in particular. We get lots of questions about sex toys. Everything from how do you clean them to how do you buy them to how do you store them to what do you do with them? There are people who have concerns about the fact that they've never used one, but would like to, I mean, there's just, it's still pretty much a hidden subject, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think like, I feel like India is still new to the idea of sex toys. And we get so many questions, I would say on a daily basis, we are flooded, you know, with them in our DMs on WhatsApp everywhere. So definitely, I think a lot of people, you know, need that education in a way because I feel like we've not been really educated about our bodies, right? So I think pleasure is kind of like the next step. We need to kind of understand our anatomy first, you know, understand how our body functions. And then it's almost like a journey in a way. So I think definitely a lot of people are just, you know, getting to know about sex toys and like the world of sex toys, because it's huge, right? There are so many different types of them. One may work for someone and might not work for another people because pleasure looks very different for different bodies as well. So yes, definitely like loads of questions around them. I think before I launched the brand, I had so many questions myself, which I still do. I think as we go about this journey of launching, you know, every new toy. So it's really exciting. But I do also understand, I think for a lot of people who don't know about sex toys or, you know, haven't really explored themselves, explored their bodies, could find it intimidating as well. So as a brand, we always put sex at the forefront and you know, educate people about their bodies about, of course, our different products as well, and really try to make it, I would say really approachable and friendly and like not make it intimidating for them. Wonderful. So I have a million questions for you literally. And I'm not sure where to even start, but let's begin with the first thing, which is that you just mentioned you have so many different types of sex toys. I know that a lot of people who write in say that they would like to try something, but they're a little bit scared about penetrating with something they, they are not sure how to use a sex toy. Do we have options? Yeah. So of course, there are toys that you can penetrate with, but also there are toys you don't have to penetrate with as well. And I think like that also speaks to, I would say like how, you know, the bodies work, especially for women in a way, right? Like there's a lot of research and a lot of data around this as well, around 80% of women don't come through penetration alone and do need some form of clitoral stimulation as well. So I think clitoral stimulation is something that's very, I would say a lot of people don't know about it. I think still it's underrated as well, because I think you can, a lot of people can really experience pleasure through clitoral stimulation alone as well. So on that topic, we do actually have two toys that are clitoral stimulators, I kind of have them right here. So this one's called lit and this is powered by suction deck. So the little mouth that you see here, that acts like a vacuum and it sucks the clitoris and that's how you feel pleasure. So again, this is something that you use externally and you don't have to penetrate, you know, like using this. Hence, a lot of people who, let's say, have never used a sex toy before, but do want to experience, you know, an orgasm or experience pleasure without being penetrated with prefer using this for their first time as well. So let's explain to our viewers and our listeners, would you put that on the outside of the levy on the outside of the lips or would you put it just inside the lips? I would say, I think, again, like different things work for different people. So you, you know, kind of try out, you know, like what works for you. But yeah, if you put it slightly inside the lips and you know, like, you know, have a touch the clip as well, then the suction itself is something that is really powerful that you can, you know, feel it has five different speeds as well. So you go at your own pace and see what works. And in fact, a lot of people don't just use it for the clip. Some people also you also use it for the, you know, on their nipples as well. So think about it, you know, in terms of another arogenous zone that kind of protrudes out. This sucks that like literally. So a lot of people experience pleasure that way as well. And I just want to come in over here and say that, as Sachi said, you can actually use it on the nipples. And no, just because you use a suction toy on the nipple, it doesn't mean that your nipples are going to start sagging. It's not going to change the shape of your nipples. I think that's another thing, Sachi, that people have a lot of fear about that if they penetrate, if they use a toy somewhere, whether it's real sex with real sex, meaning with another person or whether it's with a toy. That's one of the things that people have a lot of fear around that it's going to change the shape of their body. Yeah, and you know, like, absolutely a lot of questions that we come across also kind of speak to that where, you know, people have would have concerns around, would my clip become really loose, for example, you know, if I'm using a clitorin stimulator, wouldn't damage it in some way. So, so 100% I'm glad you clarified that, you know, altogether, because I think that's those are some natural questions to have because as I said, like, I think sex toys are not very mainstream still, you know, in India compared to other parts of the world. So I think it's important that we clear these misconceptions as we go as well. But also one more point I want to like, I think clarify is that a lot of people also asks us, sorry, ask us if this vibrates. It's not a vibrator. There's a difference between a vibrator and, you know, a massager, a different kind of massager. So this, as I said, it's the suction that works to, you know, suck the clitoris. It doesn't vibrate. So there's a difference between the two, which is kind of important to clarify. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah. What about like something that is just a vibrator, but you don't have to penetrate? Yeah, so we have this little guy, we call this salty. This is again, another clitorin stimulator. Why salty? Because it's super discreet. It looks like a salt seller. Yeah, that's what the name is inspired by. And it's a discreet looking toy, right? Like, if it's kept, let's say, you know, on your study table or on your nightstand, you can't really make out what this is. It can pass off as a paperweight, you know, or almost like a salt seller, as I said. So this is something that you can, you know, you can use the head and this vibrates. So this you can use as a vibrator, but like, you know, think about it as rubbing the clitoris and you know, that's how you can kind of experience pleasure. This is really powerful. It has 10 different vibrations, which is basically a combination of, you know, speeds and frequencies that you can kind of explore. So you see what works best for you in that sense. You know, a lot of girls will write into me and say that the only way that they can still come is if they clench their thighs together, if they squeeze their thighs together, I think it's the regular way that a lot of women particularly tend to find their orgasms. And I think this particular one, salty, if you hold it up again, is fantastic because you could actually put that between your legs, while you're squeezing it, you could actually put it against your labia. And when you squeeze your legs, it kind of does the work of both. And I think that would be pretty amazing as well. Absolutely. You can go hands-free also in a way. Yeah, you can go hands-free as well. So that's fantastic for outside stuff. What about something that you can penetrate with as well? Do you have something to show our audiences that is your particular favorite? I'm ready with it. This is called OG because you can, you know, like use it as a G-spot stimulator. So this is for penetration and for external stimulation. Now the head that you see here, that's something that you penetrate with. I'm also clarifying that because, you know, as we're talking about the questions that come up, you know, like in terms of what customers have queries around, a lot of people don't know with sight to penetrate with. So it's really important to clarify that as well. The head is something that you penetrate with. And you can use it as an external lateral stimulator as well. It is super bendy. So you can, you know, insert it in and kind of, you know, like explore in your own way. This is a great toy for partner sex as well. Because you can penetrate with it also. This has 10 different, you know, settings again, like speeds and frequencies. So whatever works for each one and whatever floats your boat. So just put your hand behind the head, put it behind the head so we can get a better idea of what the size looks like of that. Yeah, yeah. So if you see this, like just for heuristics, so almost like, you know, two fingers like right here. Okay, that's amazing. Because you know, when you hold it up just like that, it can look quite intimidating because it does look quite big on camera. But since you put your two fingers around it, you can see that actually that's all it is. And then suddenly it becomes non intimidating. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that's the Okay, wonderful. Now tell me something for something that like this that you would use for penetration. Do you recommend lube because we always recommend people use lube with their sex toys. What is your opinion on that? 100% I think definitely for the one that you are using for penetrative purposes. We have a water based, you know, all natural lube as well, which is pH balanced, it's unflavored also because flavored lube is really bad for the vagina. It has, you know, added sugars that can throw off the pH balance and cause yeast infections even. So we recommend an all natural lube 100% use a lube with, you know, anything you're penetrating with. And I think generally, like lube is just so underrated as a, as a product, it just, I think like makes sex so much more fun, more than anything else, any kinds of sex, I think even if you're using, and, you know, like a external toy for external clitoral stimulation also lube will just, you know, enhance the pleasure in a lot of ways for a lot of people and make the whole experience more comfortable as well. We've also designed a lube to really mimic the, I would say, you know, natural lubrication of the vagina as well. So it doesn't feel like, you know, you're literally adding something on and like something artificial or something external to the body in that sense. And another thing that we really kept in mind was that the whole experience while using a lube, like not just while you're using it, but like the after usage is also really, I would say, seamless and not messy, because when it came to a lot of, you know, mass market lubricants that we tried out and, you know, did our research on, they felt really sticky and goopy and, you know, felt almost like you had to take a shower. And it would still not come off after using it. So we wanted to make the whole experience really mastery and like non icky in that sense. And yeah, I think a lube does a, does a good job through and through in that sense. Coming now to a really sticky point. A lot of people have a problem ordering things like this, you know, you live in joint families or even if you're not in a joint family, if you live with your parents, I know how many parents will go into their kids' rooms just to tidy up the rooms. And that is an issue, you know, like so between ordering them to somebody's house where, you know, somebody's going to check a parent and elder was going to check, what do you get today? To actually storing them where they're not going to be found. What is, I mean, these are real challenges for people. What do you recommend or what do you have in place that can work around that? Yeah, so I mean, just when it comes to, you know, shipping, first of all, like, let's say, I think let me just take a step back right from when you order on our website, which is that sassything.com. When you order on our website, you, when you're, you know, paying through, let's say a credit card, your bank statements won't have the name of our brand mentioned, it'll be the name of the registered company mentioned. So no one can really make out, you know, where you really placed an order from in that sense. And then when we move on to the next step in the consumer journey, which is you've placed your order, you're waiting to get your order, you only receive the shipping updates on the phone number that you entered in the order, which is I'm assuming your personal number. When you get the order, we actually ship in 100% discrete packaging. Now, what that means is that the outer shipping carton, it will not have the name of the brand that sassything mentioned, nor will it have the name of the product mentioned. So it's not going to say, you know, SEMA ordered, OG vibrator from that sassything. So in that sense, it's discrete because we also understand, you know, cultural nuances, we understand women's safety, also, that's really important as well to us as a brand. So all that has been, you know, very well thought out in terms of the whole consumer journey. Now, we also gave a storage pouch with each product, I do understand that, you know, that might not help a lot of people, but I think that's from a, also from a perspective that you should not leave your toys out because you shouldn't really expose them to dust or any, you know, I would say, I would say like unwanted particles, you know, floating around in the air in that sense. So it's like a dust bag, almost. Yeah, so it's basically something that's lint-free and it's a cotton bag that we give along with each purchase. I just wanted to say that, you know, anytime you buy a really nice expensive bag or an expensive jewelry, expensive piece of jewelry will come in a dust pouch, it'll come in a dust bag. Yeah, yeah. People have to learn to treat their sex toys in exactly the same way. It has to come in a dust pouch and you keep it in a nice dust pouch. Right, right, absolutely. But yeah, I mean, I understand, you know, about those crying eyes. So I think one way to kind of help that situation from, you know, people not finding out your sex toys is ordering discreet sex toys. I think that helps. So as I said, this one little salty over here is super discreet in that sense. This one can pass off as a face massager as well for a forehead kiss simulator. Just kidding. But yeah, like, I think you can definitely pass these two off, you know, so we have discrete options available because we do understand, you know, the apprehensions that people have in mind and no one wants their sex toy to be found by, you know, like a sibling or parents in that sense. So yeah, there's a lot of embarrassment around that, unfortunately. Absolutely. Or find like a sneaky corner and you know, the really, really important question is how do you actually clean the sex toys so that they stay safe for you to penetrate with? Yeah, absolutely. So when it comes to silicon based toys slash massagers that are waterproof, we recommend using, you know, lukewarm water with a mild soap or body wash, which is silicon free and, you know, paraben free as well, preferably a natural wash, which is really mild, I would say. So it doesn't have, you know, harmful chemicals such as the ones I mentioned. So yeah, so I think it's you have any brands that like generic brands that people can use? I mean, we have actually a, I don't know if you can see this well in the camera, but we have two in one intimate and body wash, which is completely natural. It's free of silicon, free of any parabens, pH balanced also. This is something that, you know, doubles up as a great wash for the massagers as well, because it's super mild on the body and super mild for the toy as well. So that's something that we recommend to our customers to get as well. I think it's really important to know what you're putting inside the one of the most absorbent parts of your body, what's really going inside there. And like, of course, like washing that like really well, I think that's super, super important to avoid any infections or, you know, like be safe in that sense. So basically lukewarm water and a mild natural soap of some kind to wash to wash the toys. Is there any routine for how you wash the toys? I mean, there's a special way of doing it or what would you? Yeah, I mean, I think it would be basically you're just, you know, literally like putting it under the tap. Of course, they should be waterproof as well. So do check with the merchant if the product is waterproof to begin with because there are some, you know, toys that are 100% waterproof. Some might not be as well. Depends on the material also. So why I mentioned silicon based toys was because those are like, I would say more commonly available, accessible as well. Hence, you know, keeping that in mind. But yeah, like when you're washing the toy, definitely, you know, dry it up with a with a like with a towel, like a soft towel as well. And yes, storage is really important. I think like you would, you know, wash I would say, I mean, of course, washing the washing part is important, but storage is really important as well as I stated earlier as well, ensuring that, you know, you're not just leaving it out anywhere out in the open that way. So I think that's that's really important as a step to follow to take care of and would you also recommend, I mean, obviously we wash it after you use it. Would you recommend that they wash before they use it as well? So second time. Yes, do wash it before usage as well, because again, right? Like I think it's easier said than done. I understand that at times that you might have, you know, used it, you know, like spontaneously this one one time. And then you forget to keep it back in the storage pouch and you just leave it out somewhere or, you know, you left it out for a while and then you put it back again. So I think to be very realistic, we might not be, I would say, like super conscious in a way about, you know, how we're storing it. Of course, that's ideal, but a lot of times we might not be right. So it's always recommended that you wash it before before usage as well. So Sachi, I think what I'd love to know is what made you start this brand? Yeah, I think that's the thing is definitely a culmination of my personal and professional experiences. Personally, I actually like went through a lot of body image issues growing up. I realized that there was no safe space where you could actually have conversations around your body, around pleasure, you know, I think, of course, it's been such a taboo like all these years, it still is. But I think there's so much work that awesome people like you have done to kind of pave the way for brands like us to, you know, like follow your footsteps and, you know, do more work in the space to normalize pleasure, to normalize sexual health. But yeah, I think beyond that, I would say when I actually went to look at products that existed in the market, I couldn't really find a lot of products that were good for, I would say, all people. And I think by that, I also want to focus on women, how women were kind of never represented in a very holistic way. In terms of the products that existed, you mostly found flavored loops at the time when we had launched, which are not good for, you know, people with vaginas. We spoke about this a little bit earlier already, sort of repeat that. But also, I saw that there was a huge space in the market where there wasn't a brand that was very friendly, very approachable, very inclusive, almost felt like, you know, a friend you're having a conversation with a lot of people whom we interviewed in, I would say the earlier stages of launching that sassy thing came up to us and told us that, you know, when they went sex toy shopping online, it almost felt like they're on the dark web. So it felt really intimidating. It felt almost sleazy even. So our idea was to really flip that script, flip that narrative and bring a brand that was nothing like that. It was really friendly, was really fun. Super focused on sex ed as well, because we realized there was a huge gap, which existed, I would say, like, for all of us, we never got any sex ed growing up. It was always about, you know, girls in one room, boys in one room, and you get a little bit of information about periods. And that's, that's it. There's so much shame around, you know, all things related to our bodies. So the idea was to really smash that in the head and really, I would say, talk about all things that made one uncomfortable and scream them on the top of our rooftops even. So yeah, so I think that's when the idea of that sassy thing came up. And I think my professional experiences also are super linked to this because I worked with sexual wellness brands in India, like big sexual wellness brands that don't want to name. Back in 2011, I realized how the space felt very misogynistic at that point. And as I said, from products to communications to culture, it wasn't very inclusive and women were ignored almost, you would literally only see, you know, packets of condoms that had, you know, women being objectified. So that's all the things that we're trying to change as well. And I also worked on another American sexual wellness brand in my grad school, where I was doing a project and realized that the situation was pretty similar. This was back in 2016. Again, realized that the space was very hyper masculine, though I think the sex positive revolution had started, you know, like permeating in different parts of the US and also started coming to India like much before. By that, I mean that sexual wellness was more mainstream at that point in the US and not so much in India in terms of culture brands as well. But but yeah, I think that really pushed me to really, you know, create that change and have a brand that was refreshing and didn't feel like the sleazy old black brands that existed. And we always wanted to do products that were functional, fun, beautiful, discreet. And really, I would say a brand with a purpose as well. So that's why, like we put education, you know, at the forefront of everything that we that we do. And we also recently launched these online sex ed master classes as well, which educate, which are free, basically. And these are something that people can take out the comfort of their home, their online and they are essentially courses that we curated with, you know, the best sexuality educators in the country. And we talk about all things from gender and sexuality to the basics of sex ed. So we do cover a lot of things around, you know, how to use condoms, how to prevent STIs, different forms of protection. We also launched one more on Hindi and English and consent. So the idea is to really build for Bharat and bring more regional languages. In the next month, we are launching one on intimacy after childbirth, because mothers are not considered sexual beings to begin with. That's going to be in Tamil and English. So so yeah, we're really trying very hard to, you know, bring sex ed to more and more people and make it more accessible by, I would say, educating people in different languages as well because we're a brand that's driven by purpose. And yeah, doing good is important, I think. I think that you're also your whole idea of educating people is what drives the focus of your brand. So you also have a personal connect with or are happy to have a personal connect with your customers so they can actually ring you up and talk to you personally, get your advice. And I think that's just amazing. So you are actually open to people speaking to you about what they should buy and how they should buy it. Absolutely, absolutely. And I think, as I was saying, right, like so many people have like so many questions around what they should be buying and depending on their own experiences, right. So for example, if someone wants a toy that they want to use with their partner, what do they get versus someone who has never used a toy before and wants to use something for the first time? You're always, you know, like there to answer those questions and my team answers those questions. I personally also talk to a lot of customers because I truly believe that when you have a one-on-one connection, I think that really helps. And that's always best to get like real time feedback and improvise, you know, as well. So and I think also answer so many of these questions I find personally that, you know, I can talk about a particular subject. Let's say we talk about, I don't know, oral sex. I can talk about it at length, but everybody who has a question on it, they feel that, you know, their question is different in whichever way. They always feel, even if it's answered in that particular thing, everybody always feels that my question is a little bit different and I need personal attention for that particular question. So I just think it's fantastic that you provide that and for everybody listening out there, I hope that you understand what a big deal that is to be able to talk to someone personally. You cannot always do that with people talk to somebody for free and get advice on it before you actually buy the product. And I think that's another reason that makes that sassy thing very, very special in my eyes. So yeah, I think you provide an amazing service. Thank you so much. Thanks. That really means a lot. And yeah, I mean, definitely the goal is to I think make it less intimidating and make it like a regular conversation that we can have, you know. And I think to me, it's always about the regular conversations because even if people disagree with it, even if you say, well, I don't think that's a good idea. So long as we're talking about it, we're normalizing it by all means disagree. I don't mind. But talk about it. Say why you disagree and feel free to do so. But talk about it. And I think also the other thing is there have been some generations, like for instance, in my generation, sex toys were not available in India or to very, very few people. They weren't largely available in India. So my generation, if they grew up in India, if they lived there all their lives, they're not used to using them. A lot of people. And I'm talking here about largely women because guys have a different way of being able to self-pleasure for women. It was either a case of using their fingers or some not very good alternatives. So a lot of women just did without because it wasn't something that came to us easily. I think that that narrative is changing. It's becoming more available. I know that the older generation feels that this is a bad thing because look, we never did it and younger people. This is too easily available. And oh, my God, they're doing it. I think that people have to understand that this is a natural instinct. People experiment, kids will experiment. If they can't get the safe stuff, they will experiment with the unsafe stuff. Absolutely. I get people trying to experiment with fruit and veg. And we keep saying, don't do that. It's the worst thing you could do. Yeah. But trying to explain that is just so hard. I'm sure. I'm sure. I think it's conditioning also in a way, right? Like. I think a lot of times we face that as well, right? Like a lot of people also feel shame after ordering a product also because you've had time to kind of think about it. And then, you know, I think there's this internalized shame and judgment that kind of comes to the picture. So I think a lot of times it's not about what people will say, but it's about what do I think about myself, you know? So, so, yeah, so I think normalization is all the more important because we shouldn't judge ourselves for something that's so natural and gives us happiness also, you know, in one way or the other. But I think when it comes to, you know, the point you made about older women, so let's say, sorry, for us, a lot of women, I would say over 45 also buy our products as well. You know, so, so I think we are also starting to have a conversation, not just amongst the millennial generation, but going beyond that also, which I think really, I think pushes me and motivates me and really drives me in that sense as well. Like how can we really make pleasure accessible and normal for more and more people? You know, gender, no bar, age, no bar in that sense. So for my 60th birthday, a lot of my friends turn 60 at the same time as I did last year. And literally, I said to a bunch of them, I said, OK, I'm getting all of you a toy each to do with whatever you want. But I'm getting you all a toy so that you at least can say I had one, you know, you have to have something to be able to discuss and laugh about or whatever. And literally, you have to I cannot tell you how much pushback there was. I mean, some of them were very happy to receive it. The others, I mean, just as a, you know, gag almost like how to get this a bit of a joke, there were some who were really horrified at the idea because pleasure has become a horrific idea over time. So I think just the introduction of sex toys that have nothing to do with having a partner, nothing to do with reproduction, nothing to do with anything other than pure pleasure. Yeah, I think that in itself is one of those. It's one of those. It's a breakthrough, put it that way. You know, and I think that for a lot of people my age, it is a very difficult thing to access that point because pleasure has never been in their vocabulary. You know, sex with their partners, they might love their partner still, they're still with them, but sex with their partners has never been enjoyable enough for them to feel that they should carry on for a lot of them. They stop by a certain time. It's like also not like I feel like how it's also, I mean, communicated to you, it's almost like it's your responsibility. Like it's a duty to fulfill your partner for a lack of a better term. But I think that's what makes it really like kind of detach it from the fun and like the, as you said, the pleasure and something that gives you ultimate joy like that aspect. And just by yourself, you know, that's just it's a very it's just as a concept, it is such a difficult thing to grasp that I think the physicality of it comes later. So yeah, thank you so much. But there was an instance that kind of came up when you said that I'm also found educating my mom's friends about this because they're all very curious suddenly about sex toys. And some of them bought some as well. So I think that is happening slowly. And we also have some customers who would buy them for their mothers, for example, you know, like that's another breakthrough as I would like to put it also. So I think the conversation is going and, you know, like I think transcending different generations in that sense as well. And we're just hoping we can create more and more of an impact as we as we go. You will. I think you absolutely will. One last question before we finish the conversation. How affordable are your products? Because I think that's one of the other questions that comes up quite often. Yeah, so I would say the average price of, you know, our toys would be around like thirty four hundred. That would be like the average price point. So we have like, you know, we have this one, which is like three, five, nine, nine. And this one, because it's dual internal and external stimulation, this is four, five, nine, nine. And the discrete critical simulator, that's, I would say, lesser in price. That's three to nine, nine. So that's that's how they are priced right now. The idea is to definitely, you know, have toys that can be more accessible. That's where we launched, you know, like this the salty massager that I just showed you in a, I would say, like more affordable, like price point as well. Yeah. And I actually think that that's not a bad price when you consider the price of general things, because this is something that you would buy once. And then you would have it for a long, long time. Exactly. So I think it's that's one thing that, you know, a lot of people should also kind of consider and think about it as a long term investment as well. Something that you would, you know, be using, using for a while. So then it's it's a good deal in that sense. And we also have like different, you know, flexible payment options as well. So you can pay an EMI is on our website and get them as well. So the idea is to make it more accessible through, you know, giving various payment options to. So, yeah, fantastic. And just as like something to actually mention, tell everybody what is your website called? Yes, it's that sassything.com, T-H-A-T-S-A-S-S-Y T-H-I-N-G dot com. And of course, we will put it in the caption, but I just wanted everyone to know exactly what it's called so that they can head over to it. And as Saachi said earlier, there are numbers, there are contact details over there for you to reach out to the team, talk to anybody that you want to get as much information as you want, whether it's about how to buy them, whether it's about how to use them, whether it's about how to clean them. You've got somebody there telling you what to do. So don't feel like you're alone and having to hide and having to try and figure out. Don't think that you have to go and ask your friends who probably know as little as you do about something. Go to the experts, find out directly, they are available for you and make use of this because that doesn't happen very often. Yeah, we do. So yeah. Saachi, thank you so much for coming on and doing this. I know how many questions we get about it. And I know that it's really important rather than me answering them. It's better to come from the expert. The person who actually creates them and does everything with them. So, you know, if you enjoyed the conversation, if you found it useful, please do comment, like, subscribe. Saachi is there on ThatSassyThing.com with all of the contact details or there you can approach her directly. I am on info.seema.anand at gmail.com in case you want to send in more questions. In the meantime, as always, stay care of yourselves. Stay healthy, stay well. Remember, sexual hygiene is your topmost priority because safe sex is the best sex ever.