 For what reasons do you think it's a good idea for people to go vegan? I mean, definitely health reasons. Health? Like, definitely. Also just like, the way that factory farming is... Factory farming? ...is insane and quite disgusting and uncomfortable. So I think if more people understood what was going on, it would definitely change. People would avoid those products if they... I think so. If people were like educated on what's happening, I think people have this idea of the cute little family farm and that's not what it is at all. The cute family farm that send all their cute animals to the disgusting slaughterhouse. Those numbers behind you, what do they speak to you in any way, those numbers? That's wild, which is because the United Kingdom is so small. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. Do you eat animals? I do. And does that make you feel like, wow, some of those numbers are due to your consumption of them? I mean, probably. I'm not a British, so no. I mean, actually, I haven't eaten any meat here in the UK, so that's not due to me. But in America it is. Don't worry, we've got one running in New York as well. New York? LA. LA. We've got one running in LA too. All right. So then... So you can't escape those numbers. It's pretty crazy when you think about how many people are consuming animals every single day and what that's doing to the environment, to those animals in slaughterhouses, and people dropping dead of the number one killer of human beings, which is heart disease. Did you know that? I didn't know that. The number one killer, 17 million people a year die from heart disease. So that's insane, isn't it? Have you got any idea why we've got a big board behind us with the amount of animals being killed every year in the UK? We're trying to highlight the fact that it's not a good thing and we're trying to convert people to veganism. We're trying to get people to stop contributing to those numbers. Fair enough. Yeah, would you go vegan for a million bucks? Yeah, probably. You would? Probably. So as I was saying, my girlfriend's vegan, so I've tried to cut down on milk. Yeah. Don't really feel it's kind of that necessary. For what reasons? Just because, as Chloe was saying, you don't really need milk. The whole concept is quite weird. You're not a baby cow? Exactly. Also, you only usually have milk when you're growing up. When you're a baby? Basically. Or a cow? Basically, yeah. So you don't actually need it, so I've tried to cut down on that, but as I was saying to your colleague, it's difficult with meat because you kind of grow up with that and then you build a meal around it. It's kind of like a staple of your diet. Interesting that word, meat, isn't it? It's sort of like a euphemism. Do you know what a euphemism is? It's like another word to describe something. It's actually the flesh of a dead animal, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Yeah. Have you ever connected with an animal before, like a pig or a cow or a chicken? Yeah, I have. The thing that makes it difficult for people who eat meat, I think, is that it's... I don't know if you guys agree with this, but humans are carnivores at the end of the day. A carnivore? Like a lion? Yeah, essentially. You don't look like a lion. I know, I know, I know, but... Where's your teeth? Let me see your teeth. Yeah, there you go. Oh, look at those canines. Look at those canines. They can see that, all right? Do you know who's got the biggest canines on Earth? Guess what animal? Lion. A hippopotamus. There you go. They're a herbivore. Interesting. Yeah. Show us your claws. Don't have any. Can you chase a rabbit down and eat him raw? Oh, I can't, no. Where do you get your meat from? Supermarket. Pre-packaged? Yeah. Just like a lion? I know, exactly. That's a lot of animals being killed, and do you know what it does to the environment? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it does. I mean, I've read a lot about the methane from beef and all the deforestation. I would struggle with the butter aspect. But we got vegan butter. What's that made of? Nutlix. It's made of plants. Okay. Well, I'll give that a go. It's crazy. French food is so delicious. It's hard to give up the cheese and the butter. It doesn't even agree with me. I shouldn't eat dairy, but it's so delicious. Do you know much about the dairy industry? I have to ask you this. Yeah, they keep the cows pregnant, and it's crazy. And what do they do with the boys? The baby boys. Yeah, they probably kill them. Why would they kill the baby boys? There's probably no need for them. Yeah, they don't produce milk, do they? No. And I've seen their little boy chicks getting farmed off into a blender. Yeah. Yeah, it's mad. Do you think that's justified so you can have butter on your toast? Oh, it's so good. This is like the real crux of it. It's so delicious. It's so tasty. It's so tasty. But do you think that taste overrides the life of an individual? This is where, yeah, I struggle with this. Like, I struggle with the fact that if an animal knows what's going on, we shouldn't probably be eating it up. I'd like to not be farmed to myself. And have your child taken off you and killed? Yeah, no, I think, yeah, it's hard. I mean, the thing is, our grandkids are going to be all vegan. And they'll be looking at our generation like, wow, you guys are crazy eating all that meat. What turned you vegan? Just talking to some friends which are already veggie and vegan. Yeah. I listened to a lot of punk hardcore when I was younger. Yeah. So it's already about that, like, straight edge life. So there's a lot of people that are... Vegan straight edge. Yeah, a lot of my friends were already like veggie vegan for long years. So, yeah, just after having a few conversations, I did like some research and then ended up like, you know, getting on YouTube and watching hours and hours of stuff coming across your stuff and I was like convinced then, yeah, man. Now you're level 10 vegan. Level 11. Who is the most hardcore non-vegan you know in your family? My dad. Your dad? All right, your dad. There's your dad. You reckon your dad would go vegan for a million bucks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give him a call. Put him on loud speaker and let me ask him. Okay, cool. This campaign to turn the Pope vegan, would you go vegan for a million dollars? Yeah. You would? For a million dollars? You said no. I mean, I am vegan, like... Yeah, no, but would... I mean, I don't go vegan for a million dollars. I am joking. I'm like, why would I do that? Like, ridiculous. Yeah. But would you... Let's just say the million dollars didn't exist. Would you go vegan for the other reasons? You saved the earth, your own health and the plot of those animals? I mean, yeah, probably. I'm slowly, like, decreasing my own meat and animal product consumption anyway. Because my body can't process meat very well. And I think that... Because you may be because you're not a lion. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think my biggest issue is the other animal products that aren't necessarily... Dairy and eggs. Dairy and eggs. Eggs, a big one. That kill-counter there is counting all the animals that are killed in the dairy and egg industry, too. They all go to the slaughterhouse. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to know. Back in the day, it was okay. Yeah. But now there's just so many... We don't have a... Yeah. How do we justify it? How do we justify it? You can't really. It's difficult. It's a very difficult topic. Can we talk about the environmental destruction from animal agriculture? Yeah. Again, it's almost like a vicious cycle, right? Yeah. We're destroying the earth. Exactly. In order to get meat, in order to feed people, it just goes round and round. We're feeding all these crops. 50% of the world's crops are going to animals in factory farms and then we're killing those animals, eating them, and we're developing disease. Yeah, yeah. I'll give you a tip about a true carnivore can't develop heart disease A lion or even an omnivore, like a dog, can't develop heart disease. Heart disease is the number one killer of human beings. Yeah, I agree. A cholesterol found in animal products only. And so that could be a big driving force as well. I also think it's... Look, I think it's starting to turn around as well in terms of younger people are more aware of it. Guys like yourself is more prominent. It's just a case of, as I say, it's a societal thing. You grow up eating meat, so it's very hard to change that around. Cultural conditioning and traditionally passed on, but we can break that chain. Agreed. Yeah. But you need guys like yourself to do that. Well, we're relying on the Pope right now. He's probably not the best example to... If you're watching this, Pope Francis. Make the change. What if you found alternatives that were really tasty? I think a lot of it is, there are alternatives and they are delicious, but it's convenience of just being able to just buy some chicken and it's already pre-marinated and you put it in and you put in some... It's convenience, but it's cruelty. It's convenient cruelty. Yeah, it is, but I don't have to see it, right? So I just, you know, go away. Ignorance. No, I... Is it like willful ignorance or is it... What I mean by ignorance is that you sort of choosing not to look into these things or to put it at the side of you in the back of your mind. Yeah, you're just like, I'll go to the side of you. It's easier. Don't worry about it. It's already made. I'll come home and put it in my oven. It's a really weird thing. You know bacon's not good for you. It's delicious, so I just try to cut down. I don't eat it very often. It's delicious violence and cruelty and environmental destruction. No, I've not seen that, have I? No one does. For me, the reason I stopped eating animals is not because they didn't taste delicious. It's because, you know, in my heart, I couldn't see that happen to an innocent being when I had alternatives to live. Nice. You know? And also, my allegiance to the rainforest and to the environment, the earth that we leave behind, that was stronger than my taste preference. And we've got amazing vegan burgers and vegan cheese and vegan ice cream and vegan pizza and all these different vegan alternatives. It seems insane to me to torture and kill someone and destroy the environment when we have alternatives. Yeah, I know. It's a compelling argument. Hopefully, we can all do a little bit more. Hey, Dad, you all right? Yeah, not bad. I've got somebody who wants to speak to you about veganism. Hey, Mike. How are you going, mate? Hi. It's Joey Carpstrong on social media. We're doing street interviews. You know, we offered the Pope a million dollars to go vegan? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We said he'll take it. You would take a million dollars to go vegan? Yeah. Is there anything else that would make you go vegan, like the animals or the environment or your health? 500,000. He'd take 500,000 to go vegan. So, all right, we'll run that on the next campaign. Get Michael to go vegan. 500,000. How about this? If you were faced with the animal in a slaughterhouse, you know, being choking on their own blood every time you had to go eat their body, would that change your mind? Yeah. I think if you took a bunch of kids to a slaughterhouse for like a school trip, they'd definitely... They'd be disturbed. I think they would be, yeah. And I don't think you'd probably be able to get kids there. Have you seen a gas chamber before? Yeah. Pigs are killed in gas chambers in the UK? Oh, okay. I didn't know that. And you can hear them screaming from outside the gas chamber. It's horrifying. Yeah, that's... So, it's disturbing to know your food screen for their life. Yeah, it is. Yeah. I always ask, who's it harder for? Yeah. The animals? Well, yeah. Or me? Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, the answer is probably the animals because they could die in a horrible way and no one's there. Yeah. Because I'm going out with the vegan now as well. I eat less meat, generally. So that's a good thing. Yeah. But yeah, I agree. I think, as I said, people are becoming more aware of it. It's just a case of trying to enforce it a little bit more. Yeah. And knowing that you have the power in your hands and there's about 60 million people here in the UK and if we all collectively, you know, took this into our own hands and it took the environment back into our own hands to change the world like that. Yeah, agreed.