 So the data is at the center, but not all innovation is only about data. We have with you, Mehdi, a very good example of a breakthrough solution that can save life. Can you tell us more about ACOPLIN? Just a minute on what my colleagues just said, which is really interesting and totally follow the idea, which I believe is shared here, that how much data is about sovereignty and from a health space, how much civil society has to be engaged on those kind of topics. And we had last year a huge initiative, which is really fine to get a huge health data hub, which is a way to centralize the health data. And we were that close to host the data in a cloud, which is a Microsoft cloud, which means that, yeah, the civil society rose against the situation, and then hopefully we, there were some kind of step back of the government, which is a cool thing, yeah. So sovereignty is very sensitive subjects and civil society can be amazing. And when it's engaged and it's part of our history, what we're doing is ACOPLIN. ACOPLIN basically is a neutral hand-held device connected to any kind of smartphone and the idea is to make what we say orientation diagnosis, which means basically to answer the basic questions of any kind of medical doctors meeting any kind of patients anywhere in the world. The two questions are what organ out damage is the condition serious or not. And bringing the site to the medical doctors in order to see inside the body is really critical to answer those two questions. It started out like Farouk, my personal experience, I was a young resident, and I had to deal with two patients dying in the condition of that moment where to get it to real-time device was really, really difficult. And at that time, I had this random idea of connecting a neutral sound device made it really hand-held and take advantage of the computing power of the smartphones. Basically, I'm not a manufacturer, so it was kind of idea and I'm really on to the open source space to bring commons, maybe we'll elaborate on this. And with a few person, we started to say, OK, let's do it and let's make it accessible, meaning that it's making really cheap for that it can diffuse heavily. And what is the stake in this kind of technology is very important and there is an intense competitive landscape, mainly led by the way by US and China. And this kind of technology is expected as the status quo for the 21th century. So it's really critical. And we started with the community five years ago and the community kept growing. We reached something like 1,000 people supporting or contributing to the project. And we are the final step. We're waiting to see eMark. We met the device. We industrialized the device, really with the help of a community. And I find it's quite interesting, no matter how open innovation can flow like Wikipedia thing adapted to the hardware space. Especially in the in the health space where we couldn't say, you know, it's the most advanced adopter of open innovation. And I must say that I mean, the Capgemini support to the industrialization step from Poc to industrialization is important and you're about to launch your product soon. So what's the importance of the data collection in your device? So data is critical because data brings to AI and AI brings to more powerful tool to make diagnosis and also to empower people. And maybe one day since ultrasound are really non-invasive, non-dangerous, everybody will be using this. And I know some startups in Israel going towards this direction. So definitely data is very important. Above our situation, I think that the health space has giants of data which are the hospitals. And you know, the GAFAs are the giants of overall data. But for the health space, I think hospital has really the word to say. And we're some kind of special thing where we have this community. We brought out of this community a startup. And in the startup, we have the APHP, which is Assistance Public de Zoutpitoet Paris, which is actually the largest hospital group in Europe and one of the largest in the world. And they had a lot of data flowing. And so what we're about to do now is to build up an ecosystem where the data entering in the hospital can be brought to the ultrasound space and we can build algorithms, powerful algorithms out of it. And I think this is a good example of how public and private sector can work together, definitely. Absolutely. So it seems that there is now a convergence on the fact that health data is sensitive data across the globe. And Clément, you just published a position paper on health care data governance. Can you tell us more about that? Sure. One of the main takeaways of the study is that the pandemic has revealed the strategic importance of, for states, to understanding and controlling health data to face a major public health crisis. The fact is we were not ready to face this crisis. And we have to move, the main lesson is we have to move toward a data-driven model to manage public health crisis. There was no interoperability between European states and even within European states, Germany and France as well. So it's a critical point. But it was true in Europe and it was true as well in China and in the US. So no one actually was ready. The other key takeaway from the study is security. During the COVID-19 crisis, cyber attacks on health care facilities and hospitals have intensified. It's becoming massive. And with the digitization of health care, we may face in the years to come a real digital power power. That means with casualties in the real world. I think it happened last year in Germany with the Hamburg hospital. A woman died after a cyber attack. So it's not science fiction, it's happening. And the international committee of the Red Cross launched a call to the governments to regulate and prevent cyber attacks on health care facilities. So it's a critical issue. And the last key takeaway from the study, even if it may be too early to say, is that the COVID-19 crisis could have been a catalyst for convergence between global data regulation models toward the EU's GDPR standards. For example, China enacted comprehensive data protection law a couple of weeks ago. So it's a major step forward. And as far as the US is concerned, because you know in the US, you have specific regulations. You have a regulation on health data, financial data, and so on and so forth. And Joe Biden, who is very much interested in the subject of health data because he gave a big speech three years ago on health data. So he knows the topic very well. He may face the pressure from the Democratic Party and the left of the Democratic Party to enact a comprehensive data protection law. And he may face the pressure also from his European allies because you may remember the privacy shield was the framework of data exchange between the US and Europe has been counseled by the European Court of Justice. So its data protection has become and health data protection has become a subject in the transatlantic relation. Absolutely. So that's definitely where the core of many hot topics. And for sure, I was mentioning at the start innovation is raising public attention from the public governments and startups in particular. As startups, what would you say are the challenges and opportunities particularly in the GovTech that you see, Medi? Okay, so I'm not a regular start-up, let's say this way. Since when I started the project was not about really to build a startup but to build some device and to take advantage of all the ecosystem. What I can advocate on is how much interesting is the fact that you can create an innovative space where several part of the society can interact. You have the public institutions, the academic labs who have deep knowledge, low-level knowledge on technologies and you have obviously companies like Capgemini who helped us, GroupSendWithYou helped us, other big industries that have matured to become a product. And we have this really fertile, very engaged civil society where actually they are very dedicated to what they do, they have an amazing energy and I think this is the third space where you can bring an amazing value and this value can be converted into a company then at the end it becomes a startup. But I think we should really be aware of how people want to contribute and maybe I can say something like beyond our special case is by the commons. We released a lot of technology in open source and the idea is not to make depend the technology to a proprietary company or proprietary government or whatever, in order this bricks of basic technology stuffs could be available to anybody and they can build lectures for universities and they can build startups out of it and maybe from a more political standpoint I think a lot of countries are experiencing the same thing that all these micro-communities advocate for themselves and what is the common ground of everybody and I think in this kind of innovative space you can have this idea of okay we all are engaged in a way as citizens on special topics but we can also bring together commons and I think that it's one of the key of the future. Collective approach to knowledge and knowledge sharing. Absolutely. Baruch? Maybe because we work with core governments, right? A perspective on that point. I think you're looking at the tech markets that we have comparing it to fintech and maybe e-commerce which was the beginning of all of this. We lost almost all of the battles, right? The monopolies are somewhere else, they're in China, they're in the US. I think government technology is a chance where the battle is not yet over and Europe's governments are very rich, they're very extensive, they provide a lot of services. If you manage to provide good solutions there and also scale them across Europe that's a chance to gain some in the bottom line save or sovereignty because otherwise I mean Azure, you talked about that. I mean the German government postpones the decision to update that from legislative period to period because no one wants to face that decision but it's coming now, it's getting urgent. So in the bottom line save or digital sovereignty and the best case export this to other countries with the privacy by design that we can implicate into our products, right? And to make that happen I think first we need to stop in Europe because we need this large market to say French cities, French products, German cities, German products, Spanish cities, Spanish startup products, so we need to make a market for that, we need data sharing standards, we need VCs that understand this and governments that actually see the benefit first in European products but also in startups in general, there is good use of course of big companies, there is security, you can also blame them if something fails like startup if you don't know if in three years they're existing and you can't rely on the contract but I think we need to be a bit bolder with the challenges we are facing and embrace this and I think then we can maybe win this challenge. Definitely what you're raising is the notion of scale, right? And we see American startups benefit from the scale of the continent second from the depth of their industry and the sophistication of the network starting from business angels all the way to private equity. What we experience with our large clients when it comes to B2B solutions i.e. business-to-business solutions addressing the corporate market of tier one they did embrace innovation for years now. What they're looking forward to now is adoption at scale and adoption at scale means not only the SaaS solution plug and play but very often the downside effect in terms of how to interface that and rationalize their legacy systems what impact does that have on their processes and on the organization which in public sector would be the governance right, organization and governance the entire value chain of the way they work. So that's important and the Capgemini and the peers have a role to play in helping their large clients select of course but also adopt at scale startup solutions if we want champions of tomorrow to be also European and from Asia we need this to be rooted into the economic environment and the corporates have absolutely a role to play. So thank you for your insight, this is interesting.