 I want to say good evening to everybody. Welcome to the West Cliff drainage sewer and water improvements project public meeting. Just a really a quick, a few quick notes. One is that we are going to be, we are recording this meeting and after the meeting is over, we are going to post it on the city website so we could be listened to later. Everyone is going to be started off as muted and also the videos are going to be turned off. Our goal is to keep an orderly meeting and with this being a WebEx meeting, we just felt that was the best way to keep control of the meeting is to start everybody off as being muted. At the end of the meeting, we'll be taking questions and so at that point in time, we can start unmuting people. The, for those that have, that are online, if you would, there's a, on this slide, you'll notice there is a chat button next to the, I guess it's highlighted in blue and if you would type your questions in that, if you are on via phone, then that's gonna be a little more challenging for us but at the end, we'll unmute the phones of people that are online and we'll do our best to take questions from the college. See, my name is Mike Bennett. I am the project manager for the West Cliff project. I do have an assistant project manager, Dylan Johns, who is going to take you through the slideshow and presentation. At the end of it, again, we will come back and respond to questions. Dylan, do you wanna take over? Yeah, we'll go ahead and get the presentation started. So Mike has already introduced us. I'm the assistant project manager for the West Cliff drainage and sanitary sewer project. To go ahead and jump right into it, a little bit of background on why we're doing this project. We have had some issues with flooding in this area, as you can see in the picture on the left there that was taken on June 28th, 2004. The flooding is in part due to undersized drainage pipes and that's what the stormwater aspect of this project that we plan to address. And since this is a combined project with stormwater, water and sanitary sewer, the water pipes and sanitary sewer pipes are outdated and undersized and due for rehabilitation or replacement. This phase of the project will be the final phase of a multi-phase project. So this should be it, you know, related to this project in the neighborhood. A little bit of a project overview right here, these are all the streets we will be working on. There is stormwater work on Suffolk Drive that is highlighted in red, if you can see the map. There's also gonna be stormwater on Anita Avenue, Manderley Place and Trail Lake Drive. Everything in blue and green is going to be water and sanitary sewer, respectively. There is some water on Suffolk Drive, Manderley Place and Trail Lake Drive, as well as Seminary Drive, Anita Avenue and Winfield Avenue. We are also doing sanitary sewer work on Manderley Place, Anita Avenue, Winfield Avenue, South Drive and Seminary Drive. Here's our overview of the project for the stormwater portion. The different phases are highlighted, as you can see, this phase that we're working on right now is phase one. Phase two A has already been constructed, it's complete and in the ground. Phase two B is currently under construction. So some more information on project details. This is just kind of reiterating what was on the map two slides before. The stormwater aspect is upsizing the existing storm drain system on Trail Lake Drive, Manderley Place, Anita Avenue and Suffolk Drive. The waterline upsizing is happening on Seminary Drive, Anita Avenue and Winfield Avenue and then the sanitary sewer work is happening on Trail Lake Drive, Seminary Drive, South Drive, Anita Avenue, Winfield Avenue and Carolyn Road. One part of this that we wanted to highlight was the outfall of the stormwater project. We will be out, the new storm drain pipe will outfall into the existing channel along Trail Lake Drive in between Incanto and Wendale. We will be adding a significantly larger pipe. If you can see the screen on the bottom left of that detail, you can see that new large box there on the left that I'm kind of circling with my mouse cursor is the new pipe that we will be installing. This arch pipe here on the right is the existing pipe, which will also be remaining in place. To help protect the channel banks from erosion, we plan to install a large rock riprap in the channel there at the outfall. The area where the riprap will be installed is this area that I'm circling with my mouse right here. It's outlined in black. And the large rock riprap, as I said, is just to protect the channel banks from erosion and dissipate the energy from the water with the new larger pipe that will be outfalling there. So the current status of the project, we are still under design. We have completed our 90% design. So we are almost finished with that phase of the project. We are scheduled to finish our design in August, so next month. And then we plan to begin construction in the first quarter of 2021, which would be January to March. And we expect construction to last about 18 months. So that would put us finishing construction during the summer of 2022. A little bit of road closure information for this project. There will be some partial and full road closures. They will all be temporary. So they will only last for the duration of construction. And those closures will be happening on every street that is affected by construction. So all of those streets that I named previously. And all residents who will be affected by those road closures will receive advanced notice with all the details that will be relevant to the road closure information about when to expect it, how long it will last and all of those things. So now I guess we will open up to questions unless Mike, you had something else that you wanted to add. I do wanna add one little thanks. We did have a couple of participants join in a little bit after we got started. So I do wanna hit on a couple of the initial statements. Number one is the fact that we are recording tonight's meeting. So if you miss the first little bit, we will get that information out to the residents and we posted on the city website and we will help get that address to you so you can catch some of that original, that first material if you came in late. I also wanna acknowledge Council Member Ann Zeta has joined the meeting. So I just wanna make sure that people are aware of that. Again, my name is Mike Bennett. I am the project manager for the project. The Dillon Johns is the assistant project. He just took you through the slideshow. So hopefully that catches some of the people, I think that came in a little bit after our first couple of slides. At this point in time, we've got quite a few participants on here. Now everybody is muted. And there are, let me see here, we go through the chat, see if anybody has posted any chat. See, yes, all right. So wanna make something clear here because one of our communications guy caught something that may have not come off right. As far as any temporary closures, it did kind of sound like we were saying they're gonna be closed for the length of the project. That's not what is happening. We will have temporary closures that will occur for short durations of time. There will no, not one single road will be closed for the entirety of the project. There will, the closures will be, will occur, there will be a closure and then it'll be open during the project. So of course, at this point in time, we cannot state exactly what those dates are that will be developed as we have the contractor on board and as the contractor makes his plan for constructing the project. Let's see, how is the sewage replacement parallel to self drive, not in the street? All right, so we have a question from Ms. Sally McCoy. How is a sewer sewage replacement parallel to self out drive but not in the street going to be accessed? Dylan, can you bring up the drawing that shows the different sewer and zoom in there? Yes, sir, good job. See, Sally, I believe if you're talking about something that is off the street, that you would be referencing this piece of sewer between the Avenue and Trail Lake Drive just north of Suffolk. Okay, yes, I see your chat there. So that sewer replacement will be done. There's currently a sewer line back there. However, I do believe that that kind of replacement will be done through trenchless methods. They will not be digging up the entire length of pipe. They will access it from the ends and basically run a new pipe inside of the old one. Mike, I don't know, can you help us a little bit? Absolutely, Dylan is correct. The backyards, they are a little bit more challenging for the city. There's a lot of times, what happens is we try and move those to the front yards and into the street when that is a possibility. That is not always a possibility. So when we have them in the backyards, we do a trenchless method. Now then that does not cover the services. So the contractor will have to dig up and reconnect the services to that line. The contractor will get with the residents prior to this work starting. So the contractors are really good. They've been doing this for a while. So they'll get with the residents to let them know when it's happening and how exactly it will affect you. I'm hoping that will answer your question. If not, please let us know if there's some additional questions that you might have. Okay, great. Now we also have a question from a, I think that's Carol or Carol Way, the short answer segment sewer between Porto and soulful properties entails what exactly will you be tearing up our yards? How will you access that work? I believe, is that the same segment, I think, Dylan? I believe so, but I don't know if Porto is the street immediately to the north of here or not. All right, I've got a, hang on, yes it is. I've got a map up on my computer. Yes, that is. So hopefully that answered that question, please. Carol Way, if you have an additional question, please type it because we are getting your question. See here, does anybody else using the chat function have any, okay, great. Looks like we got that one. Does, is there anybody else on the computer not seeing anything? So now then, I guess the next, say, okay, here we go from Chuck Nixon, will sewer and backyard be abandoned? All right, so that would be, there are, Dylan, correct me if I'm wrong, there was, the water department does have some sewer in their back and a couple of these backyards that they're moving to the front, correct? And therefore, if we are moving the sewer from the backyard to the front, any sewer in the backyard, yes, would be abandoned. Dylan, we do have one of those, correct? Yes, we have at least one. I know that there is a sewer line right here to the west of Anita, that they are moving into the street. And then I think there is one on the north of Sydney that's moving into the street. Those are the only two I'm aware of. Those are the ones that I felt were in there as well. So the question, the answer would be yes, it would be abandoned. We do not leave the manholes in the yards of what manholes would be removed. Let's see, what are parking option situations during this project? That is, okay, so what are parking option situations during this project? That is a really, really good question, because I know there's, that's gonna be impacted twice for many people. And the two times it'll be when, first time will be when the utilities are being installed, especially along the storm drain route, because they're typically what is, what I've seen, how the contractors have worked, they've got one excavator that digs a hole, then they have another excavator that puts the storm drain pipe into the hole, and then once it puts it into the hole, it covers the hole up. So you have two of those things working back to back in a hole that basically moves along the path of the storm drain line, and it's kind of like a little bitty train. And that train can be about 50 feet long, and during when they are next to your house, there will be no entrance and exit at that time. Now that they move very quickly, so the contractors are really good at this, and they're also really good at notifying you when this will, when that will happen, when they will be in front of your house, and there will be a challenge to the driveway. The other time that it happens is when the asphalt streets are redone, because these are asphalt streets, and after all the utilities are complete, we will come back and install the redo the paving. And of course, there is a couple hours there where the contractor will need, let everybody know that you shouldn't be driving on the pavement while he's doing that work. So the contractors again, will provide notification that this has occurred to help you get out of the, get your car out of the driveway in place where it needs to be, so you can go about your business and not be stuck in essence. See here, hopefully that answers that. Let me see, we're getting, all right. So we're really getting some good questions here. I'll make sure I gotta scroll up so I capture all of these. I really don't wanna miss anything. So we see it goes over, we're parking options. Okay. Do we have timing for any of these changes yet? Do we have timing? I guess I'm not understanding that question. Mike, if that is a question about when we plan to start construction, we plan to start construction in January to March of 2021. And it'll take about 18 months. I'm not sure if that's what you're asking or not. So please send a followup if you need a verification on that. Mr. Hughes, yes, please. Mr. Hughes, that was, if you could follow up with that. Let's see, when the sewer has moved from the rear of the property to the front, what is the process for connecting the house to the new service? Basically it's on the contractors to make that connection. We do not put that onto the residents. So again, the contractor will be knocking on your door and getting with you on the timing of that when they, and they will work from the back of your property and align it and get it moved to the front. It's all on them, they will do their best to make it as least intrusive as possible. But of course, just depending on the situation, there's a lot of different things that could come up. But it is on the contractor to make that connection. Please let me know if you have any additional questions on that, I think that was Ms. Garnett, let's see. Okay, let me see. Next one for Mr. Nixon. I want to note a concern I have raised directly to the city staff. I am concerned about a major outfall of water directly adjacent to public walk, bike path. I have requested staff consider mitigation, also a concern regarding the aesthetics of the outfall to ensure we don't have a project that looks out of place in a residential neighborhood. I want to be sure the council member Zeta is aware of this concern. Absolutely, Mr. Nixon, you're not the only one asking this question. So this is something that we are taking a strong look at. Our desire is not to come in and create an eyesore. That is not our goal. Our goal is to reduce flooding risk but also make sure that we do our best to maintain the aesthetic and context that is there. So we are working right now to see our design is not complete. So we are working with residents that are just adjacent to the channel to get their opinions on it. And we're certainly willing to listen to anybody that has an opinion on it. It is the drainage that we are working with. It is not, we're not putting new flow in this basin. This is water that was getting there initially. It's just the fact that it was previously backing up into lots and into streets. And so our goal is to get it to the creek more efficiently. So it's not that the creek is receiving any more water. I also wanna note that our team is working with the floodplain development group that maintains the floodplain information for the city to make sure that we are not negatively impacting or doing anything that we shouldn't be doing in this floodplain area. We're also coordinating with parks because this area that we're outfalling into is their park property. So we're also coordinating with the park property. Our goal and the outfall is to make it as natural as possible. What we're talking about as far as the rip wrap is basically our goal right now or one of the things we're looking at is what we refer to as loose rock rip wraps was just large rock placed within the channel that acts as a way to reduce the energy that's coming out of those storm grain pipes. And it's goal is to protect the side slope. So there is, it limits the amount of the erosion that will occur. We are looking at, there is a lot of good screening that's already out there naturally and we are not going in there and clear cutting everything. I wanna make sure that that's understood. There's a lot of vegetation that's already there. Our goal is to keep as much there as we possibly can. So that is another thing that we're gonna take a look at and it's also what we're working with parks on to help us know how close to the trees can we get what can these trees withstand when we're going through and putting in the project so they remain healthy after the project. So Mr. Nixon and also I just wanna make sure any kind of follow up Mr. Nixon, please you've got my phone number on the card. So please feel free to reach out to me if you have any additional questions or concerns. Because again, we are doing our best to make sure that we're taking care of everyone in this. See, so let me know if you have any additional questions on that. See another next question, does Manderley plays get the full double rectangular storm sewer in the middle of the street along with the sewer and water. So Manderley is going to be a very, very challenging and project for the contractor. There's already a lot of utilities that are there and the short answer is yes, we are putting a big rectangular storm drain box in Manderley and right now where the water and sewer are located they're currently in conflict they're in the way of our storm drain box. So we are going to have to relocate that and it's gonna be a fun project for the contractor to be sure. But this is also something that is done all the time. So the short answer is yes and we will be working all that out. Please, I guess let me know if you have any more questions on that. I see the next question here. When will they be on Carolyn Road? Dylan, can you identify? Carolyn Road is gonna be this one right here. Engineer chimed in said Manderley gets a single box, not double. All right, that is, okay, let me see, perhaps my, okay, the full double, I'm sorry, I apologize, I did not read that question thoroughly. No, it's not gonna get, the double box is down there at the very end where there's only a single box that's gonna be going down Manderley Road. I apologize for not being clear on that. Good. So on Carolyn Road, we do not have an exact timing on any of the streets as far as when the construction, that will be the contractor's responsibility to determine when, based on the crews that he has and the construction that needs to take place. Now then, once we have the pre, after the pre-construction meeting, once the contractor puts his schedule together, we will have it at that time. So we will have another meeting prior to construction. The typical meeting is the pre, for the residents, there is a pre-construction meeting that we hold. And at that time, the contractor may not have his exact schedule at that time, but he will be working on it and may, depending on the contractor, he may have an idea when he's gonna work on it. Now then, with that said, this is an 18 month project. And so we just all have to understand, based on rain, based on just how the world is working right now, we've got to just all be prepared for some plans to change. So even if he had a schedule, even if he has a schedule at the pre-construction meeting, it is entirely possible that that schedule could change based on the events and that are happening at the time. But what I will say, the most important thing I'm hoping that you guys get is the fact that we have an open line of communication. You have my number, our goal is to notify you guys as we have construction going on and notify you before it directly impacts you. So that's gonna how we're gonna treat that. So but also please ask questions if in contact me, if you have any additional questions. Let's see. All right, I guess, let's see, let's know we will have a pre-construction meeting for specific questions. All right, let them know, we will have a pre-construction meeting for more specific questions. That is correct. We are gonna have a pre-construction meeting. The name person's name is above the comment, not below. So I guess I'm maybe messing that up a little bit. I apologize if I'm giving the wrong, quoting the wrong person as far as a question. And maybe I'll just avoid that to prevent confusion. Let's see here. There's a comment, mandrily gets a single box, not a double box, that is correct. It is a single box. Yes, an additional question. I heard statements reflecting plan to be finalized by August and will that plan be made available to us prior to finalization of the project plan and the commencement of work? We can, we can make that plan. Is that, I think this is doable. Is, I guess my question would be, is this specific to the, the outfall? Is that a lot of this stuff is underground. So I'm assuming that's less of a concern, but obviously we want to take care of. So we can certainly work to provide everybody with the final plan on the outfall. I will say as far as that goes, we, the outfall might continue a little bit past August. My goal is to get this done in August so we can advertise it correctly. But time is a little bit tight. So we're trying to get this that worked out as best we can, but our goal is to get everybody as on board with this as we possibly can. See, next question on here. If our driveway is blocked on average, how long can we expect to wait before we have access to our driveway? That's gonna be, depend a lot of up to the construction that's going on. I can't give a definitive answer on that. I would, I, just from what up my experience on one of the other projects that I had, I would say it was generally no longer than a day. For the paving, it's just a few hours, is the time that you're kind of blocked from your driveway on the storm rain, especially on Manderley, it's gonna be a little bit more challenging because we have the big box and also the water and sewer that we're doing there too. But the goal is gonna be as short a time as possible. In other words, we're not looking to block anybody out for weeks at a time. The goal is a day or less is what we're gonna shoot for. So hopefully that answers your question a little bit. We'll see question specific regarding the outfall. Okay, so that's great. We'll, we will look to try and get everybody that drawing in our plan prior to it being finalized. So you guys get a chance to see what we're doing and what we're proposing. So that is totally, that is definitely something we can do. Let me see, will construction start at Trail Lake or at Grandbury? Great question. So the storm drain aspect of this will start, we always start at the downstream in and work our way up. Well, I should say always. That's the typically how it is done. Now then there are, because we're doing storm drain, water and sewer, sometimes contractors have different crews that have different specialties. And so they could end up working on the sewer and water prior to the storm drain. So again, it will be up to the contractor which provides us his schedule. We'll have a better idea at what roads will be impacted when. And again, we can share that as we get it. Typically though, on the storm drain, we do start on the downstream, which that is at Trail. So we would start at Trail Lake and work our way up to Grandbury Road. See, support what Mike Bennett said about minimizing impact to floodplain modeling of the project indicates that by facilitating flow to the creek, it will slightly reduce the water elevation at the outfall during the regulatory flood event. Also Mike, I'm not sure. Okay, so I guess there's just some modeling. I guess the best way to say that our modeling shows that we are in some ways improving the situation. The short story is we are getting water there a little bit quicker and that can help get the, sometimes it's best just to get the water in and out of a smaller drainage area. It's kind of a little bit technical. If anybody else has any more questions about that, I can do my best to answer. That's getting a little bit more technical. Let me see. There's something at 628, it sounds like I missed, but Karen, I'm not seeing a, on my computer, it's not logging at 628. So I'm just going to ask, okay, see if I can get this manually six. She's a great who asked that question about the aesthetics and outfall of water. Okay, her name above, comment not below. All right. There might be a question out there that I missed that I'm just not seeing. So if there's anybody out there that did post a question, I apologize. Could you re-post it? Cause I'm just not finding the one. Mike, I don't think you answered all the questions I see. Which, okay. Maybe there are some questions that are not coming through on my computer. What can Dylan, can you? No, I said, I think you did answer it. Oh, you think I did? Okay. I don't see. I don't see the question for unanswered. Question. Okay, hold on. Okay. I get, okay. One question I heard statements reflecting a plan to assure a natural look for the outfall. Is that plan part of the plan to be finalized by August? And will that plan be made available to us part of the finalization of the project plan and the commencement of work? Yes, ma'am. That is our goal. One thing that must occur. Cause we have one of the things I need to point out here for stormwater, we have to make a balance. There's a balance that we must reach. One of course is our goal, we do have a desire and regardless of the drainage, I mean, our desire is to bring it back to a natural state. Now then with that said, we have to balance that against the ability to maintain the channel. So we work, our team is the capital delivery team. We work to deliver projects, but we also have a team that maintains the projects that we build and construct. And that team does get a say in what we do. So we have, we are setting up a meeting with our team that maintains the channels to see what we can do to make sure that we are bringing it as close to a natural state as we can, but also such that they can maintain it in a safe manner. So once we have that meeting, we're gonna get back and we'll show that plan and get comments on that. So hopefully that, and yes, the goal will be to have that figured out prior to the end of August. And if it doesn't, we're not gonna say up, we're done. We're moving on. That's not our goal. Our goal is to get this as best, right as best we can. So you can get a bit more detail on the sewer line on Cortot and Suffolk, okay. I guess help me understand a little bit more of the detail. There's, I guess contractors, when they're working on this trenchless method, they dig up on one side and actually dig up on both sides. And they in essence run a pipe through the existing pipe and it's just a replacement of the existing pipe that's there. It expands out a little bit of the internal. And then, but of course, once you do that, you have your services that have been disrupted because of this method and the contractor must go into those yards and dig up those services and make sure they're reconnected. I'm not, is there something more that you're looking at, looking for me to add to that, I guess. I would have, okay, what if that affects the fence? Okay, so that's one of the things the contractor is put on the contractor. We are to replace, make anything equal or better. So if a fence is impacted, we are to go back and fix the fence. And sometimes that means replacing the wood fence, but it's replaced in kind. So that is on the contractor's responsibility. They've got to fix any grass that they disturb or anything in the yard. They disturb, the contractor is responsible for getting it back to the condition it was before they showed up. Not a lot of digging. I guess that can be a relative term. So I want to be cautious there. The goal is to minimize the digging. A lot of that depends on how deep the sewer line is. The deeper the sewer line, the deeper the bigger the hole can get. The other thing to note is how accurate what the contractor does, he does a videotape of the sewer line in order to figure out where those services are. So that, they're getting, technology's getting pretty good. So we're able to find it relatively quick. But of course that is, that also gives a little bit of, there can be a little bit of air in there. So that can help cause them to dig a little bit more than they might want to. But overall they're pretty good at minimizing what they're digging up. And it costs them money if they end up digging up more than they should. So they have an incentive not to, especially since they need to bring it, bring the property back to the way it was or better. See, I have a friend who lives on Anita Avenue. She's completely surrounded by the work. Well, I always be able to get to her house either by coming from Suffolk or from South Winfield. The goal will be, yes, to make sure that you can get to the house from one direction or the other. Now again, when you've got the, I guess the train of excavators and they're digging the hole, again, while that's moving along, you might have to adjust your drive patterns from one side of the other because this is, the streets are pretty tight. It's about 28 feet, the excavator, it, they're about 15 feet wide. And so you're not really able to drive past them on, it's just not safe. On the sewer and water, those are typically on one side of the street or the other. And so that sometimes you can there, but on the storm drain, that's typically in the center and it's going to be in the center a lot of this roadway. And when those excavators are in the center of the road, you're not getting around them so you'll have to go around the other side. But the short answer is yes, you're going to be able to get to the house from one side or the other. Let me see, does that mean you are staying with the original eight inch sewer in the street and putting a smaller pipe inside it? Okay, if it's in the street, we're actually digging up the street. We don't, the trenchless method is a little bit more, it was a bit more expensive than just digging it up. And so anytime that we're digging it up, we are going back with an eight inch. The trenchless method, the diameter, I'm not exactly sure what, sometimes a little bit smaller, sometimes it's equal size, it depends on the method. In the end, no one service is going to be impacted based on us going through there and putting in the new line. This is the ones in the back of the houses, there's not a lot of, it doesn't receive a lot of houses, there's not a lot of houses on it to begin with. So we're not going to put those things, they're not going to be overworked. The eight inch lines can take a lot of sewage. So that should not be a concern. We see with regard to outfall, you seem to be saying there will be a dramatic increase and water flow due to due to the bottling effect, requiring a much larger box culvert. Comments above seem to say water elevation will be reduced. Note today's elevation is six inches, is the water anticipated to be larger flow or not? So let's get a little bit more into the hydraulics of the project. And so there is, it can be a little bit of a tricky, tricky thing to do. See, the one way to say that is there's a, the creek itself, when we do our modeling, it's the 100 year, the 100 year is basically the standard in which we look at a lot of the, we look at the constraints in the model. And on the creek, it's receiving a lot of water from a large area and that can be a bottleneck. And so we've got a smaller drainage basin compared to the, what's already flowing in the Overton Creek. And so the way you look at it is our water gets out prior to the peak in the larger creek getting there. So it's, the end story is when we do the models, it's not, the water surface elevation is not raised. It's not higher than it is today. That's the short answer, and it's due to the peaks. When does the water in the creek, what time does that reach its peak compared to what time does our storm drain system reach its peak? It's most amount of water getting there. Those peaks are not at the same time. So that it's, that's, I'm sorry if that's not super clear, but that's kind of the best way I have to explain that. It's again, it's not that there's any more water getting to this location. It just happens to be getting there a little bit faster. And as far as the timing and the routing method that helps us out, because it's getting in and out of that channel faster than it did before. See, all in our block on Manderley and so forth, the sanitary sewer runs along the rear property line. So does that mean each house now draining to the rear will drain to a new line in the streets? Yes, on Manderley, if it is currently in the back and it's, we're moving it to the front, then yes, you will, we will, our goal is to move it to the front. So folks, make sure it's, well, we're not, no, I'm sorry. On Manderley and so folk, we're just having to, those are being relocated due to the storm drain project. And so we're only relocating those lines from one side of the street, one part of the street into a slightly different location in order to make room for the storm drain. So along, so folk and Manderley know we're not changing the location of the sewer services for those properties. We seem to be out of questions in the chat. I thought we were getting rid of the rear sewer lines, but we're not. He just said, I'm sorry, and he's corrected himself a lot. I know, I know. So I say, we do have a couple of callers. A couple of callers. I've unmuted call in user three. Is there, let me see if there's any other callers. Is there any question that's, questions to the caller and caller three might have that we've not addressed yet. Not hearing anything there to the chat. Let's see. With regard to the outfall, you seem to be saying, okay, on our block on Manderley and so folk. Let's see. Okay. No, I already answered that. That's probably me, Mike. I think I'm the only other caller. Okay. We see. Okay. So. I don't see any new questions. Mike, I think you answered everything that's in the chat. I guess Jeff, Mr. communications man, do you have anything that you want to add to the meeting? Any other thoughts considering this is our first attempt at a meeting via the Webex? Well, this is our first Webex meeting. So hopefully we answered everyone's questions. As Mike said at the beginning, we are going to, it is being recorded and it will be posted on the city of Fort Worth website on the project page. If you want to refer back to any of the plans or any questions that came up. Mike, there is one additional question that just came in about holding future meetings in person. Okay. So that will all depend on how the world and the US shakes out and our state shakes out and our, I guess, Fort Worth shakes out with the COVID response and how our thing's doing. I don't believe Jeff, I don't know if anybody's brought any in-person meetings. I don't believe we've had any discussions on that yet. Correct? Correct. We have Webex meeting scheduled at least through August at this point. Obviously our preference is to always have an in-person meeting if we can. We like the interaction a lot better and we can have larger displays for people to see, but we don't have a timeframe on when in-person meetings will begin again quite yet. Okay. And there are the phone numbers and email addresses for both of us if in case anybody needs to see that one more time. Yes, and honestly, please reach out the best way for us to have a project that benefits all and everybody agrees with is if we hear back, it's always the most difficult thing is when we hear after the project what we could have done. It's a lot harder to correct things once you hear it after it's done. So that's the purpose of this is to get the input while we're still have the opportunity to make changes and adjust. So please reach out. And I know we fully understand this outfall is a big issue. So we're gonna do our best to get everybody on board with this as best as best as we can. So I guess please be patient but just keep continue to reach out to us. And we thank you. Thank you for your time. And with that, I'm gonna stop the recording and we'll get posted.