 The Southern Nigeria Frontier, SNF, has stated that you would confront the coalition of northern groups if the government fails to take urgent action towards calling the group and its members to order. You stated that while you stated this while reacting to a recent statement credited to the CNG where it called for the prescription of the pan-European social-polisical organization, and its declaration as a terrorist organization by the federal government. It said the statement by the CNG was not only a direct assault on the Yurebaugh people and the pedigree of the Yurebaugh leaders, and warned that the CNG should not threaten the Yurebaugh or any region of the southern Nigeria, which are with war or any form of intimidation. While joining us to discuss this is Samaila Musahi, the Director of Strategy and Communications of CNG, and also joining us is Shola Ibisheni. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Thank you. Samaila, I'm going to start with you because your group is being fingered in this press release. Apparently they are saying that the CNG had insulted the pedigree of the Yurebaugh nation and of course Yurebaugh people. What exactly did the CNG mean by that statement and asking the government to prescribe? Let me just say that I'm only managing to hear you if you heard me. I will come to you Mr Ibisheni. I'm going to start with Samaila and then I'll come to you. I will come to you in a bit. Samaila, you can go ahead. Okay, I think first and foremost we need to go to the genesis. Samaila, go ahead. We need to go back to the genesis of CNG. CNG is not just the site to ensure a statement. The word of the particular statement presented to the African Authority that actually prompted CNG to release that statement. It's one of the most sensitive, not only in Nigeria, but in Africa as a whole. One of the most sensitive areas in our lives is the issue of reputure. Even the African traditionalists also don't want to say anything bad about beliefs. Whether it's God or whatever it is or any of the things. Really, it's something that is inherent in us as Africans that we are actually very religious people. Of course, the way the statement was released, I don't even want to go back into that. It's about the Prophet and all of that. That became an issue. So many people started raising their eyebrows that I talked about that shouldn't have come up in the first place. That why it should happen very likely that it will go to the Prophet Muhammad. It's an area really that over here in Africa we really don't take lightly. Especially Nigerians are well over that we are a very religious set of people. So really that's the challenge. Now coming back to what you said about the statement released by CNG that is now generated reactions from the group you mentioned. I want to say this, right? Even though I share a different opinion on that, because I also know much about the Europe that people have lived with. I know the kind of respect people have for the great religion. You can have a family where you have a Christian, a Muslim and a traditionalist and they all live together in peace without having any issue. So really I don't want us to look at it like pushing them out of context really. Now my stand has been issued when this whole thing started. I think because I also spoke with some of my friends in the south west who are also of the opinion that I very very did not mean it in their country way. Being that just their culture in the south west. A Muslim can actually follow his Christian brother to the church or the same way a Christian will follow his Muslim brother to the mosque. So there's that relationship between them and because of that there's no way I would have said that in a very general situation. I want to believe so because you see Nigeria is actually a place where any little push can actually push it over the other side. That's what we don't want to happen because the era of religion is one of the things that can actually, the most volatile thing in the northern Nigeria that can trigger any kind of violence is actually the issue of religion. And that's why I always like to just stay on their lead when talking about other people's religion. Because over here that understanding probably that part. OK, I'm going to come back to you on the issue of the statements and what it depicts. But let me go to Mr Ebisheni. Mr Ebisheni, can you hear me? I can hear you now. I can hear you. Perfect. Yeah, if you can hear me, I'm just going to push my question if you can just listen. So, Somaila is saying that the reason why this conversation has even gotten to where it has gotten to, is that the affinity fairer had brought a religious perspective to the issue of politics or the issue of insecurity. Why did a affinity fairer decide to toe that line? Although he's also making the excuse that... It's like this aspect. Well, the description or the comparison of Sunday Bwho to the Prophet Muhammad. Sunday Bwho, as I'm concerned, and I'm very, very concerned, on the same page, on the issue of the sense of interest of the youth activity. Initially, Nigeria could see the relief. And for that reason, we were calling for restructuring of the Nigerian state to re-event the foundational, progressive principles of which the founding fathers of Nigeria fought. Now, he got to a stage where, affinity fairer realized that the call for restructuring is no longer fashionable. We do not need to come out to begin to say things differently from what we found out that the majority of the universe are rich people. I can tell you authoritatively that there is no organization, no other organization is as protective of the interests of Sunday Bwho than affinity fairer today. That is just the much that one can say because of the sensitive nature of the issue for now. But I can't tell you today that I'm very sorry to realize this. That's Nigeria and the majority of the universe. Oh, but when the majority of the universe are on the same page with Iguho? Mr Abishani, when did you take that poll? Because I have interviewed many people who are from the Yoruba nation and they have never supported the idea of Sunday Bwho. Some of them have said that they do not agree with his style and the way he's going about things. But when you say majority, that means you have your statistics. Did you conduct a poll of sorts to find out that most Yoruba people are in support of Sunday Bwho? I think we lost you. But I'm going to come back to you, Samaila, because we almost are running out of time, to douse this tension because there seems to be a clash of interest and, of course, sensitive words are being thrown around. And we are at a point in our country where everything is in a fragile state. How do we douse this tension? Because I wanted to ask you earlier on, you are the head of communications. You are in charge of communications. And I'm guessing that when that first statement was released, you would have read it and read it. But then you're saying, in one breast, that you do not somewhat agree that you hold a different opinion as to what was being sent out in that statement. I'm a director of strategy and programme for the poll. So, yeah, you're first. You know, there's a folks first into acting. So, you know, you're first of my own. But, you know, I mean, director of strategy and planning. There's army programmes, there's no anything going on there that my hand is not in it. So, I'm not, you know, I absorb on myself from that. But I'm just saying on the general note, I mean, my opinion might be different from what the group can call, if you understand, you know. So, but what I'm saying, in essence, I mean, back to your question, you know, I can start that story for that question, is that going forward, right, is that people coming at a date. You understand? Over time, CNG has come forward to even, I mean, we've gone to people, we've even gone to court. I say, look, if the Igbo's want to send him, why not? You understand? And we have been calling for that, that the current government is to look to that. You want to leave? Let there be a referendum. You understand? That's the opinion of the majority of the Igbo people. Why not? If the Europas want to leave, call for a referendum. You understand? So, there's a way to go about it, but not the violent way. We saw how NMD Canada went about killing people, killing innocent people. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Samilah. Hold on. Where have you seen NMD Canada killing people? I'm sorry. You see, this is the point. Have you seen NMD Canada kill anyone? You asked me a question, and I need to answer you, right? Please. The answer is this. Over time, we have so many audios where he's giving order that he should kill. That even when they give an order for seat at home, that whoever goes out there, whatever happens to him, has his own parents. So really, you don't need to, nobody, you don't need to come out with arms. If I'm a politician and I give my followers instruction to go kill, and after they have made and killed people. But NMD Canada is not a politician, is he? I'm just giving you an example. He is a leader of iPod. And if you give iPod instruction, including ESN, give them instruction on what to do when they carry it out, he needs to be responsible for it. That's the way it works. You don't go to the law court and say, oh, yeah, yeah, of course I give order. But they are not little kids. They have the right to disobey my order. No, you're going down for it. That's the way it works. Okay. You understand? You can do. That's why we need to be careful about our utterances. Things that even, I mean, goes as far as taking human beings life. So many police utterances. I guess when you say we all have to be careful about our utterances, you mean the CNDF, every single person. Because everybody here, in this particular matter, everybody had said things that were too insensitive. And that's why we're here having this conversation. But unfortunately time is not on our side. Thank you. Simaela Moser for being here. And of course Sholai Bisheni, who we lost because of bad connection. Thank you gentlemen for being here. Okay, you're welcome. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We have to go now because time is no longer on our side. I'm Mary Anna Cohn. I'll see you tomorrow on Plus Politics. Have a good evening.