 Rhaid i'w bwysig i'w ddweud y cynyddiad wedi mewn dweud a'r rhaid i ddweud y caronfyrus regulau. Ondf nhw'n cymdeithasgo i'w unrhyw beth, dwi ddim hynny'n gymryd amddangos i nid o ddwyledau ffaith. Over the last few weeks, we have made a series of often rapid changes to the rules, including the introduction of local restrictions in local authority areas across Wales. I want to make sure that everybody has the opportunity to get to grips with the position in their local areas. I will, however, be announcing one important change to local restrictions, and I'll come back to that, having given an overview, as we always do, of the coronavirus situation in Wales. So, in a moment, you will be seeing a familiar slide by now, which shows just how quickly and sharply cases of coronavirus have risen here since the end of August. This week, we have seen more than 350 new cases reported every day. The last time I was here at the end of a three-week review, that figure was less than 80. 66 people were admitted to hospital with coronavirus on average each day last week, and 21 people are being treated in intensive care, and that is the highest level for three months. And very sadly, there has been an increase in the number of people who have died from coronavirus. After weeks and weeks of reporting falling numbers, yesterday Public Health Wales reported a further six deaths across Wales. And as we've said many times in these press conferences, those six people are not just numbers. Behind each one is a person and a family. And as we see sadly these numbers beginning to rise again, I want once again to assure you that the thoughts of the Welsh Government are there for each one of those families who are grieving the loss of a loved one at this time. Now, as we see these numbers rise, we have three main lines of defence against that rise here in Wales. The first and most important line of defence is the things that each one of us can do in our daily lives. The second line of defence is our NHS Wales Test Trace Protect Service. And then behind all of that, we have the rules and the regulations the Welsh Government can introduce at a national and local level to control the spread of the virus and to protect people's health. Just want to say a little about each one of those three lines of defence. As I said, the most effective thing that we can all do is to go on observing all of those small everyday measures that together make the biggest difference. And each one of us continues to have a part to play in preventing the spread of coronavirus and to protect ourselves and our families from its onset. The rules are simple and I know will be well known. But over the weeks and months to come they are more important than ever. Keeping a social distance from others. Holding our hands often. Working from home wherever possible. Wearing a face covering in indoor public places. And thinking carefully about where we are going and who we are meeting. Because the more places we travel to and the more people we meet, the more chances we create to catch coronavirus. Now after the things that we can all do in our own lives, there is the line of defence that is our test trace protect service. We carried out more than 66,500 tests in the last week of September, the second highest number on record. And despite the recent and well publicised problems with the lighthouse lab system, there were signs last week that that system is beginning to improve. We have had more tests available to us in Wales this week and we are going to have more again next week. And as more people test positive for coronavirus, our contact tracing teams are continuing to do an incredible job of identifying hotspots, clusters and tracing people. Three weeks ago when I was reporting the last three week review, our contact tracing teams were dealing with less than 250 positive cases a week, generating around 750 contacts. In the week leading up to this review, there were 1,250 cases and 4,500 contacts. But despite that enormous rise and remarkably almost 9 out of 10 contacts of people were being successfully traced and contacted last week. And I really do want to thank those people in those local teams who are working so hard and doing such a fantastic job in that second line of defence. The final line is the action we take as a government at both local and national level to keep Wales safe. Today I would normally be talking to you about how the latest changes to the coronavirus regulations are being put in place in Wales. But as I said earlier, we have decided not to make any major changes to the national rules. We will however make one important change to the local rules for those local authority areas in Wales that are now subject to local restrictions. And we are making this change to help prevent loneliness and isolation for people who are living alone. Now the general rule is that if you live in an area under local restrictions you cannot meet anyone indoors other than those people you are living with. And of course this is especially difficult for those people who live alone. So the change in the rule that we are introducing will enable people who live alone, including single parents, to join up with one other household in that same area to create what we have been calling a temporary bubble. And that means that those single adult households will be able to see other adults indoors while their area remains under local restrictions. Now this change is part of those local area rules. And we have also reviewed those rules this week. In Caerphilly butta we continue to see gradual positive falls in cases of coronavirus. And I know that this is down to the hard work of everyone living in that area and their compliance with the regulations. But despite those gradual falls the rate in Caerphilly remains close to 50 cases per 100,000. And the local rules will therefore stay in place for at least another seven days. And while things are improving in Caerphilly there are also early signs in other parts of Wales that the rate of growth in coronavirus is starting to slow, to stabilise. And that is another promising sign. It's too early to lift the restrictions in those local areas either. But because we are seeing those encouraging signs work has started on a plan to relax restrictions providing the situation continues to improve. And of course I want to thank everyone living in areas subject to local restrictions for their patience, their understanding and above all their willingness to do the right thing to work with these additional measures to control the spread of coronavirus. And if we continue to work together we can protect ourselves, our families, our communities and to keep Wales safe. Diolch yn fawr, diolch o galon i chi gyd. I'll take questions now of course but just a reminder that from next week the briefings provided by the Welsh Government will be beginning at the slightly later time of 12.15 on each occasion. Over now though two questions and the first questions today come from Adrian Masters at ITV Wales. Thank you First Minister I'll have to remember to be early next week. My first question is really clarification about the decision making on the local lockdown rules. The number of hospital cases is that included in the decision making. The reason I ask is because some hospital consultants have told us that in parts of the north that are in local lockdown community transmission is at lower level than in the south. So will the situation in hospitals for instance in the Royal Glamorgan affect a decision whether or not to stay, whether or not to keep RCT in or out of local lockdown? Later we take into account a whole range of factors and that does include pressure on our hospitals as I think I've explained in earlier sessions like this. The spread of coronavirus begins in the community. Then as people feel ill some of those people need admission to hospital and some of those people will need more intensive care but we look at a whole range of factors. Community spread, hospital pressures, positivity rates and more than that. So it's a rounded decision that we come to. It doesn't rely on any one factor we weigh them all up together. Thank you. Some in the hospitality industry and you will know this because you have heard the criticism regularly accuse you of not fully understanding the pressures that they're up against. Can I ask have you been socially to a restaurant or a pub and seen the restrictions in operation? Yes I have. I've been and seen the things for myself and I've generally been very impressed by what I've seen. The places I've been to have been very carefully run and managed with all the protections that we would want to see in place and you know I think very hard about the hospitality and tourism industries and the effect that coronavirus is having on them in Wales. It is why on Monday of this week when we announced the third phase of our Economic Resilience Fund we have set aside 60 million pounds specifically to support those businesses in local lockdown areas that are being affected by the new restrictions and we've ring-fenced 20 million pounds of that 60 million specifically for hospitality and tourism and I'm absolutely aware of the way in which this terrible experience is impacting on those jobs and those livelihoods and we are doing our very best to put the help that we can find in place to compensate for the very necessary public health-driven restrictions that we now need to put in place in local areas. Adrian, thank you over to Gwyn Loda at BBC Wales. Wel, gwyn diolch fel ni'n edrych ac yn ail edrych ar yr rheoliadau lleol bob othnos, bob dyddiau a ni'n tynnu ffigurau degillydd, ni'n tynnu bobol o'r ardal a ni'n tynnu bod nhw'n hynny'n ben samadol o'r swrydd o bobl i'r cyd-fyrdd o'r wyf tape. Ni'n edrych ac yn ail edrych ar y rheoliadau lleol bob othnos, bob dyddiau, a ni'n tynnu ffigurau digyledd, ni'n tynnu bobol o'r ardal a digyledd i edrych ar y ffigurau. Mae pethau yn wella yn carfilu, ond jyst un cam ar y tro iwe, mae ffigurau lawr heddi i'n waith eto, ond beth bydd rhaid i ni weld y ffigurau na'r dal i fod yn is ac i cadw yn fynd yn y dyrexion na. Pan un hedderus bydd y sefydlfa yn carfilu yn allu gorau, ni'n gallu ddechrau y proses o codi y cyfanyadau lleol, ond dwi ddim yn gallu weld sefydlfa, bydd ni'n mynd i symud o'r pethau yn ailau yn ardi'n mercher a dim byd yn ailau ardyddiau, beth ddim dysgol neud i codi y cyfanyadau un ar ôl tro, ac y gwaith ni'n mynd i neud yn yrthnos nesaf eu anna i cynllunio dygylwydd ac i roi'r proses annalau ac i dangos y proses i bobl lleol hefyd. Ac edrych i fethu dipyn derfynu sut mae'r proses neu yn mynd i weithio, as chi fod yn ateb hwn yn gymraeg a chlynhoi yn 60? Yn mynd i cynllunio'r proses dygylwydd dros yrthnos nesaf, bydd y proses un o'r padneriaeth i dod o'r awdododau lleol, o pobl sy'n gyfrifol am jechyd y cyhoedd y heddli a'r llaw o'r draeth fynd hyn dygylwydd, i neud y penderfyniadau dygylwydd, i neud e trwy'r tasdiolaeth, a dyna'r unig ffordd i neud e, i casgli'r tasdiolaeth dygylwydd fel oedd ni'n esbonio i Adrian Masters. Pan ni'n gallu weld popeth y mynd yn y ffordd go iawn, hwnna bidd yr amser i codi'r cyfaniadau, a neud de fel yw mynd i esbonio un peth ar y trwy. Y proses wedi bod yn fwy riliol yn y parnesiwyr, byddwn i'n cyd-diolol o'r pethau, ac mae'n ddigwyddiadau ar y cwrdd, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, efallai mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, ac mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, mae'n ddigwyddiadau arall, nid os ystafell bach arall ddiolch, liwn cael yr afod cyfnod ar gweithio'r ddiolch ar y mynd, yw'r weld, ychydig i'r cyfnod o'r ddych chi'n adeiladau o'r populatio ymddangos ymddangos y 4-most ymddangos yn y cyfnod. Gwyn Diolch yn fawr, oedd o Will Haywood ar y Ffwrdd ym Mhwyl. Dwi'n gweithio i'r ysgol, mae'n gweld yma yn ysgol yng Nghymru, a'r ysgol yw'r ysgol a'r Ysgol a'r Ysgol wrth gwrs, ac mae'n gwybod i'r gwaith, ond mae England yn gweithio ar gyfer yma yn ynghylch ymlaen. Yn ymweld, ynghylch Wales oedd yn oed yn arall a ddweud y cwestiynau yn y cyflwympu. Rwy'n gweithio ar gyfer ynghylch, ac mae'n gweithio ar gyfer yw'r gweithio ar gyfer yw hwn. Rwy'n gweithio ar gyfer yw hwnnw'n gweithio ar gyfer Wales. Well, rwy'n gweithio ar gyfer Wales. Yn England, mae'n gweithio'r ymddangos, mae'r cyffredin iawn yn yw'r byddwyr yn ymdwylliannol yn yng Nghymru, ond mae'r ffwrdd yn ymdwylliant. pan wnaeth ymdwylliant ymdwylliant a'r byd yn ymdwylliant, efallai mae'r ffigur yn dda i'r byd yn yng Nghymru. Ond, mae'r rhaglenau oedd Ymdwylliant, a'r rhaglenau o'r cyffredin iawn yn ymdwylliant, mae'r ffigur efallai mae'r wyd yn ymdwylliant eich gael y ffordd. So, mae'n ysgolio lleol, dyma'r gilydd. Da wedi bod y rhodd rwych wedi bod cynrikwch y têf yn ei fyddion gyda'r ddweud. Mae'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r lwyddiad ein diwyllai ar 1.1 o 1.5 a o'r 1.3 o'r canhwyr hwn yw'r gwybod Fel Chlwysgrif, yw bod ni'n gweld ar y bindur lleol. Rhaid i'n edrych. Felly, mae'n ffluwyr yn cyd-fliwyddu yn ei wneud i ddweud i'r area. What will be the first things that look to be lifted as the situation continues to be improved? Is it fair to assume that forming larger bubbles and meeting people in houses will come last, or will that be travel from out to outside of the area? Have you had a response from the Prime Minister to your letter asking him to restrict people travelling from English lockdown areas? y gallwn ni'r wych? Mae'r wych yn ceihef y bydd i ddod i gweld wahanol yn wahanol sy'n wahanol. Ond ychydig os iddyn nhw'n hawdd o'r cyfrofiol yma i gael y gael. Mae'r wych yn rhan o'r cyfrofiol, ond oed yn gallu ddwy можете i hefyd. Ond ychydig o'i gael i ddarparu bydden nhw nad oedd wneud hynny yma i gael ymddangos i gael os y ffordd o'r honno, o rhan o'n oed y tuchio'r cyfrofiol ydw i'n credu'r gael o'i'r y cyfnodd y cyfnodd yn ymgyrch. Mae'n ddweud i'r ddweud o'r ddweud i'r ddweud. Rwy'n meddwl i'r llwyddoedd y Prif Weiniddo, ac o'r ddweud, all yr ysbryd y Prif Weiniddo yn ymgyrch yn yng Nghymru, y rhyw ymgyrch yn yng Nghymru. Felly, ydych yn y rhaid i'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, rydych yn cael ei ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, rydych yn ein heb ynghwyl yn dod oleusicol. That's to prevent the spread of coronavirus into those areas. And yet you could travel from an area in England where the figures are far higher than any part of Wales and visit parts of Wales where coronavirus is still effectively suppressed. I don't think that is sensible and I've asked the Prime Minister to implement in England the same rule that we have here in Wales. That's fair and I think you will be effective as well and I'm looking forward to hearing from him on that matter. Well thank you, I'll go to Steve Bagnell at the daily post. Thank you First Minister. The move to allow single parents and people living alone to join with another house and an effect there will be welcomed. Will any flexibility for people who may only have friends or family over a border be considerd for this concession too? Yn, Steffan, yw'r cyfnod o'r gwaith yn y rhan o ddau, ac mae'r ddau yn ddweud y bwrdd arhoo'r bod. Felly, roedd hynny'n meddwl i'r bwrdd rydw i'r bwrdd i'r rhan o'r gweithio arweithio ar gyfer y maen nhw'n mynd i'r rhaid. yn y Locol Lwcdown yma, yn y rhaid o'r bwrdd i'r bwrdd yma, ac yn ymlaen i weld i'r bwrdd yr unrhyw. ac mae gennym ni'n ffordd o'r ffordd o'r cyflawni gwahanol sydd yn gweithio'r adnod. Rwy'n dechrau'n gweithio'r ffordd o'r llunio'r ffordd o'r gweithio'r ffordd o'r llunio, ac mae'n ddweud o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r gweithio. Rwy'n ddweud o'r ffordd o'r gweithio. Ddodd yn fawr i'r gweithio'r Ffairio Fflawni Gweithwyr Ffairio, a'r S&P yw'r Llyfrgell Nicolos Nygyn Nygyn, a'r Gweithio Llyfrgell i'r rhaglen? A'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell i'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell i'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell i'r Rhaglen? Felly, mae'n rhaid o'r gwahod o'r situatio yn Sgoitland oherwydd mae'n rhaid i ddweud y dda'r parlymydd yn ystod ddim yn ymdweud o'r rhan o'r rhan o'r rhaglen. A fyddai'n rhaid i ddogfyddiadol y byddai'r wrthiau sydd wedi bod y cyfleidio'r cynnwys, fe'r ymddechrau yn ddolf yn Llyfrgell honno, os ydw i'r peth yn ddatblygu'r perthau'r werthurau sy'n ddydd oedd y cyfnodol. F konkwysgol nid yn ddigonol wedi bod Nicolos Sturgeon yn deall i ddweud amdano ar gyfer parlymydd hyn o'r gwirionedd. Diolch yn ddwyライf yn ddweud, derbyn i rhaid i ddweud hynny a i ddod ac mae hyn yn cael eu bod i yn fynol eich bod yn gyrgyffredig am dda i eich bod yn gälltiau i gael Argyffredig yn ôl. Ac mae hyn yn iawn o'r rhain o g sandwichiau i gael i'r hyn i'n mynd ymlaen i mewn gwahodod, ond fwyaf ar y bwysig o'r rhwyngerau ac yn gweinio i ystyried i'r rhwyngerau. A llwy fyddiadwyr o'r rhwyngerau a oedd eich bod yn llawer oherwydd am y gylem, Llywodraeth a Llywodraeth i'r llwyddiadau, rwy'n mynd i chi'n gwybod i'n meddwl yw'r cyhoedd, gyda'r cyhoedd yma. Yn ymgyrch yn LBC? Fy Llywodraeth, ddod ydych chi'n mynd i chi. Maen nhw'n rhaid i chi'n meddwl ychydig yw ysgolwyd yn gweithio at yw'r ysgolwyd o'r rhaglen yn gynghordd ychydig o'i meddwl o'u cyhoedd yma o'r ysgolwyd yma? Felly mae'r hyn sydd wedi'u gwahodau i'r rhain o gwaith yr rhain yn yng nghymru. Rwy'n ddweud atlwyddo'r ddiogeliedd o'r ffordd rydych yn byw mewn yr oedd cynegoedd cymryd sy'n defnyddio'r gwyrdd agrannu'r ysgrifennu, fel mhwy ddweud yn yr eich edrydd yna'n ffordd yr iawn? Eftan, dwi'n ddewr amser i'w gweithio ymdro gyda'u beth yw yydyn nhw'n rhai o'r archwmau y gyflaen o'r bwysig yn Wales, ond byddwn ni'n gweithio lawr yn y ddysgu'i gweithio arall, a bydd yn cael ei wneud bydd ymlaen i'r gweithio arall a gweithio ymlaen. Y gwybod i'r cwestiynau, yn cael ei gweithio ar y cwestiynau, felly mae'r gweithio arall yn y ddysgu'i gweithio arall. Ond mae wedi bod yn gyflaenol ceroenol, ymddwn ni'n gweithio arall, O'r bobl deimlo i'r cyfosi a cyfosiwn wedi bod yn ficio'n Wasgol a wahanol o'r cyfosim. Be' dyfynidol yn dweud o'r newid amser fy ffrannau. Rydyn ni'n gwneud eich bobl yn lle weithio ar yr adeg o Angles. Ar новr, dyma, os brydau'r eu rôl i wahanol, o newid amser yng Nghymru a'u brifwysgol, a oedd y rysg yn maen wahanol. A hitr iawn, dwi wedi eu gofyn y Prif Weinidog o'r modd o'r cyfosi a rhoi ddweud unmus i'n cael ei你在gi issuedwyr o'r llwyg Ysgivel yn sicr oedol. Mae gyda'n cyfasio dri o'r llyyson ei faillio a pleidio i'r Llywodraeth in July and August? Thank you very much indeed and this is a bit of a niche question but you have mentioned that it is October everyone will know and Halloween is at the end of this month that generally involves groups of individuals, children for instance going from house to house and items being exchanged across the threshold of the house to other individuals. Will Halloween effectively be cancelled this year or is there a COVID secure way in which people can go trip or treating? Well I think there will be ways in which people will imaginatively be able to celebrate Halloween while bearing down on the risk. Doing it in the way that people are used to would undoubtedly not be the sensible way to do it this year but I'm sure there will be many imaginative ways both of businesses who depend on Halloween for part of their upkeep and individuals will be thinking about how you can go about trick and treat in a way that still allows children particularly to celebrate that in in some way and I can think of ways myself now as to how that that could be done but it's a good point that you make Mike and interestingly we discussed this yesterday in a meeting we had with vice-chancellars of all the higher education institutions in Wales. Halloween is often a moment for celebration amongst our student population as well and they're already thinking about ways in which that can be done safely while still allowing people to enjoy themselves. So thank you very much Adam, Adam Hale, from PA. Diolch i'r Prif Weinidog. This is mine, you said that Boris Johnson has been reluctant to recognise the border between England and Wales by refusing to restrict people in England in local lockdown areas for travelling to Wales. Does your assessment there explain something else you've been critical of during the pandemic, namely a lack of engagement on his part with other UK nations and perhaps show that Westminster has been reluctant to acknowledge it isn't the only authority calling the shots during this pandemic? Well Adam, I do think that is part of the explanation. I think the United Kingdom Government has sometimes been reluctant to be clear with people when they are operating on a whole UK basis and when they are operating essentially as the Government of England. And some of their reluctance to do that I think has played into their unwillingness to take what I regard as simple and fair action across the border and has played its part in not having the sort of reliable pattern of engagement with devolved administrations. Of the gain I think would simply have been sensible and to the advantage of us all. So we had a cobra meeting last week. I made the case again there as did others for that being reinstated as a regular part of the landscape where we come together. I noticed that the First Minister of Scotland had written over the weekend asking for another cobra meeting this week. I did the same in my letter of Monday. The whole week has gone by. There hasn't been a cobra meeting in sight. I just think it would be to everybody's advantage. To recognise the fact that the United Kingdom today, 20 years into devolution, is a country in which sovereignty is dispersed. It is held in different parts of the United Kingdom and those different parts coming together to share, to explore, to reach decisions I think is a sensible way to do things. Thank you and back to today's amendment to the regulations with regard to single households. Like the five mile rule that was previously in place, are there real exemptions for people living alone in lockdown areas in Wales? If for instance the extended household is no more than two minutes down the road, which of course is the reality for some people who live on communities on the board with other local authorities. So, Adam, I think in general what I want to say to people is please don't treat the coronavirus rules as though they were a game or that your job is to try and find the best way you can to get around them. Really the first question we all need to ask ourselves is how can I act in a way that keeps myself safe and others. But we do have some flexibility around those borders for people to use responsibly. So, if you are, let us say, someone who has mobility problems, the nearest shop to you is just across the border, that's where you go, that's where you collect your prescriptions. We're not saying to people you've got to make a long, difficult and inconvenient journey to somewhere else when you could carry on doing what you would normally have done. But we're asking people to do that in a conscious way, in a responsible way and to bear in mind that if you are crossing the border you need to have a good reason for doing so. If that good reason exists then you can do it. But if you can avoid it then you are doing yourself a good turn and you are definitely helping to protect others. Adam Diolch yn fawr. Over to Rob Taylor at rexham.com. Definitely First Minister, on external hotspot areas and travel from England to Wales you refer to England as a whole and different levels within it during an earlier answer. In the coronavirus regulations individual counties are named for Wales. What stops you doing the same for England and naming the England lockdown areas in our regulations? Are you saying you can't legislate like that or won't? There are steps we could take Rob so it's not that we can't but I just think that that is the wrong way to solve the problem. The right way is for the Prime Minister to take responsibility and to do in England what we've done in Wales. That's my first port of call and that's why I have written to him but you will remember that back in the summer where we had a stay local rule then people coming into Wales from England were only really able to travel five miles into Wales and North Wales police did a fantastic job in explaining that to people who sometimes came across our border without understanding that the rules were different here and what they always said to me was when they had those conversations explained why those rules were in place most people were very willing to return and to not attempt to make onward journeys so we could do it using our own powers and our own regulations but I think the better way is for England to replicate the position we have here in Wales. Thank you and a petition is gaining traction on the Welsh Parliament petition site that asks for a reasonable excuse of child members of sports clubs to enter lockdown areas to continue to train with the existing sports clubs. Some clubs have made major adaptations in the last couple of days to make the best of the situation but is that something you would look at and with many similar education requests how do you decide which ones to run with without the localised lockdowns becoming meaningless? Well that is a very good question there at the end. I hear a lot and I recognise that the rules are complex can be hard to follow. The choice in the trade-off is always this. You can have a simple rule but the simpler the rule the rougher the justice because simple rules mean that there are always anomalies and people not being able to do things that they've as you say sometimes gone to a lot of trouble to do in the right way. Once you start having exceptions, differences, concessions then the rules become more complicated straight away and I think what we've learned over the months is that when you make concessions even when you're trying to do it for the best of reasons it inevitably leads to another set of questions about why other things can't be made exceptional as well. So we've made an exception today for single households in lockdown areas to allow them to bubble up with one other household. So when the case is there and we think the case is strong we are prepared to make those concessions but I think we've got to be careful about not making too many because the more you make the harder the system becomes for people to follow and we need a system where people understand the rules and do their very best to stick by them. Rob, thank you very much. I'll go to Tom, Tom Magnett at Carers World. Thank you very much indeed First Minister. Carers Wales tell us that an unpaid family carer was turned back from an essential journey near Bangor by a police officer who aggressively refused to believe her. This may have of course have been a one-off but there's now real worry that the confusion between paid care workers and unpaid carers is becoming firmly entrenched. How can you make sure that the true nature of unpaid caring is understood at the roadside when the police implement your government's decisions? Well thank you Tom. I'm puzzled by that example because of course Bangor is not subject to any local restrictions so there should be no reason for anybody to be stopped travelling because there are no travelling restrictions in place in that part of Wales and just to be completely clear about the rules including rules in local lockdown areas. Travelling to care for somebody is a reasonable excuse for crossing the county boundary and that includes people who are volunteering care as well as people who are paid for it. I have a lot of sympathy with our police by the way you know they too have to keep up with the rapidly changing situation. They have to deliver this advice at the front line and on the whole they do it remarkably well and remarkably sympathetically so you know we're always working with all our public authorities to make sure people understand the rules and are able to give good advice but the advice is clear in relation to unpaid carers wherever you are in Wales if you are caring for somebody and you need to make a journey that is a reasonable excuse to travel beyond the county boundary. Thank you for that clarification over Bangor. Just widening this out from the police and solving the same issue and if there's a requirement to have proof at some stage some unpaid carers have no proof if they're not receiving carers allowance for example particularly older carers because of the overlapping benefits prohibition where pensions involved but every time an unpaid carer is not believed they speak of the personal physical and mental cost to both themselves and the person they care for. Why do practical measures can you put in place to reverse this critical street level understanding? Well Tom first of all I completely understand that if you are somebody going about your business caring for somebody else to be challenged in the process is very undermining and will be distressing for people. I've heard the case in a number of instances for people to be given some sort of card that they could carry that they could produce I've heard it particularly for example in relation to those people who cannot wear face coverings you know for reasons of health and so on get on a bus they can't wear a face covering they worried about being challenged for it they worried that somebody else will think they're doing the wrong thing and sometimes the case is made for people to have a card that they could show explaining that they're not wearing a face covering for those proper reasons so I'm not not closing the government's mind to that at all I can see it will be complicated I can see that it would have some vulnerability to being taken advantage of if we thought the problem was so significant but that was the right answer we wouldn't hesitate to do it I don't think we've quite got the accumulation of evidence yet that would tell us it's the right thing to do you will know of course that young carers in Wales do have a card in some parts of Wales exactly to be able to say to a teacher for example you know I wasn't able to stay after school yesterday because I got caring responsibilities and this card just explains that so that they're not unfairly held up for not doing the right thing thank you very much Tom I'll go to Nathan Shusmith at the speaker finally today thank you First Minister it's now just over weeks since the launch of the NHS COVID-19 app in inland Wales from its first week in operation in public use what is your assessment of how useful the app is being and how significant do you believe its role will be in tackling the pandemic in Wales going forward I think in terms of public use it's had a better week than we may have anticipated more people have signed up to it more people are using it and the more people use it the more useful it will be there have been some teething problems we didn't have all of them in Wales for example the biggest problem in England was that negative tests weren't being reported we didn't have a problem in Wales because of the interface between our system and the app but I do want to be very clear Nathan that the app is an extra our system does not depend on the app our system depends on the TTP process the app is a very useful addition and can be more useful the more people use it and the more its use in practice is developed but it will only ever be an addition to the system we already have in place thank you and going back to Graf you started with with the seven-day rolling average for numbers of COVID-19 cases has as you explained gone up quite sharply do you think Wales is likely to experience a second P potentially worse than the first and if that does happen are you confident that there are now more resources and effective services in place to tackle that I think that the answer to your second question is yes I think we've all learned a great deal from the last six months services are strengthened new treatments are available the way the condition is managed through the system is better than it was when everybody was learning about it for the first time I think your first question is harder to answer we are testing far more people than we were back in April so although the peak at the moment looks quite like it did back then it's very likely that actually there were more people back in April suffering from coronavirus that we knew about so I don't think we're in a position to be sure about whether a second wave will reach the same extent that the first wave does it's why in Wales we have acted quickly and in a preventative way to try to put those local restrictions in place to turn back the tide of coronavirus but when we see cases rising and demand growing I think we can be confident that the response we will be able to make to coronavirus will be a response that's been properly informed by and improved by everything we learned from it first time round. Thank you. Good. Diolch yn fawr. Thank you all very much indeed.