 Okay, so all right. Well good morning. I think everyone's from Europe So I think I can say good morning and not make any mistake Yeah, David's not gonna be able to join the Talia's on vacation and I don't know if you folks now Yeah, Ko-po is expecting a baby sometime this week is a due date. So Not surprised. He's not on the call. He's good. He's got bigger things to worry about them Don't mean that a mean boring meeting. So All right, so thanks for joining. We'll we'll get things Kicked off and let me expand my slides so you can see better So three main topics I want to talk about I mean, we hit a milestone in in the community. I mean, we've sort of already talked about this and maybe even at the virtual contribute event Like if we reach a milestone with a number of community contributors Wanted to do a quick recap on hackathon, which again was successful But there are certain things that that I mean learnings that that I wanted to share and discuss On the hackathon For for future events going forward and then Some of you I think George you actually provided feedback on the gdk survey draft that was available We could say I'll go it's it's I think it's going to go out like either today or sometime shortly. I haven't Got in confirmation from ash. So once it's available, I'll send out the I'll post the links on the core team channel as well. But I want to talk about that briefly And I think Lee you you're aware of this as well on various gdk discussions. We've had in the past I know we've been talking about it, but I'm not sure if I've had sight of it yet. Is it okay? And Which is it in core team or is it in within the gdk project or yeah, I have a link to the issue I mean, I don't think the issue has a link to the preview of the survey because I don't know who has access to them, but I can give a quick update and then I mean I'll go live soon enough anyways. Cool. So and And then a couple of quick topics under any other business But not sure if people have any other topics that people want to discuss Hey, Ben. I just noticed that you just joined us Good evening I added a point on the any other business. Yeah Is what's the topic that let's go add them there right now before we forget Um The I want to know the status of the community advisory council Yeah, okay. Yeah, so Cool. Uh, yeah, I need to follow up with david on that. Unfortunately. He's not on but yeah, that's a good reminder Thanks for adding that already so Cool So, let's see. I'll get back to the presentation mode. So, yeah, I think I mentioned The the sort of news has sort of been Been discussed already. We hit a milestone. I think officially I forget the day that I have a blog post that's In the mr stage. That's uh, that's sort of on hold right now Uh, so I think we hit the milestone like about a month ago Crossing the threshold or of 3000 contributors, which is this is great. I mean, it's always nice to have nice round numbers and our graphic design team even Designed a nice graphic that we can add to the blog post which will be going out Soon and I'll talk about that in a minute and then in the same blog post I also took the opportunity to introduce new core team members lee and natalia. So Continuing on the theme of growth in the community So I thought it was appropriate to include that And I mean originally I think we're trying to get the Post out. I think last week You may have noticed our social Campaigns sort of gone quiet over the last few weeks And that's due to the fact that like You know after george floyd's passing a couple of weeks ago We wanted to stop all like a celebrity Celebratory type of post or blog post. So those things are currently on hold and Maybe in the next week or so. I mean lee in case you're curious So you already provided feedback and review a couple of weeks ago. That's what's sort of holding it up Which I think is appropriate. So we'll follow the social teams guidance On you know, they'll probably give us a guidance on when to start Restart Like a regular blog post like celebrating important accomplishments and so forth. So The blog post is pretty much ready to go. I think The marketing team added sort of on hold in the title But I think pretty much all the edits are done Just waiting for the buttons to be pushed. So that's sort of where things are but still wanted to I mean celebrate it I mean, it's a it's a good occasion So It was a worthwhile thing to highlight in the blog post. So that's That's coming out soon and all of you had a had a big hand in it. So thank you So hopefully I don't know like we'll we'll be interested to see when we get to 4 000 And like maybe we'll take a year or maybe like we'll see but I think we're already at like a 3100 the last time I checked. So the numbers numbers going pretty fast. So So that's that I mean, I don't know if I don't know I think a lot of times we talked about like when I first joined get lab a couple years ago We talked about like the 2 000 contributors that included both team members and the wider community members and This 3 000 number is just the wider community number. So Pretty happy to see the growth of the wider community over the past few years. So it's pretty gratifying Cool, so so That's just a quick update On the blog post that's coming out I mean another awesome thing that happened over the past couple of weeks Uh, I mean when I I mean when the hackathon wrapped up a couple of weeks ago I I just looking at the lists of mr's and couldn't believe it. We Um, the previous record of mr submitted over a two-day period was like 147 definitely under 150 And then we just you know crushed the record by more than 60 percent About to 240 And I mean a lot of you guys, uh, I mean a lot of you core team members not only submitted mr's But also help people on Gitter help with reviews. I think George you got tagged with some of the Some of the reviews for internet internationalization. So appreciate you doing that and Helping out relatively. I mean you contributor. I mean you just started contributing a few few months ago Get along from indonesia and also adding like issues to highlight for the hackathon. So Um I mean great accomplishment over a two-day period um I mean who would have thought like you get like a 200 plus mr's uh in a hackathon. Uh, so it was uh, it was awesome I mean volume was was phenomenal Uh to a point where my inbox is still out of control because of you know, what happened two weeks ago But happy to take that Not complaining So, um, so Obviously it went very successfully and then we want to keep them a momentum and then but we also want to Moving forward, um Make future hackathons and future events better one of them, uh, I mean this came up, uh, I have a link to the issue The request was to avoid holding hackathons We've been pretty much doing it like a second week of the month or second or third week of the month and that Unfortunately coincides with the last week of the release when people are obviously very busy and heads down Uh, and I was actually surprised the number of mr's that got merged during that week during the hackathon I knew the engineers are busy, but uh, I felt bad about adding extra burden on people when they're already Uh, I have a lot of things on their plate. Uh, so there's an issue that was opened by paul and what I what I'll try to do Uh, I mean I already decided to do this for the next one We'll we'll do it like a we'll try to do in the first week of the month. I think that I mean people have sufficiently recovered from the release Uh, and then that's like three weeks from from the release date Um, so the next one will be the first week of uh, september We'll see if we're able to sort of repeat that like each quarter But we'll try to do my best to sort of stick to that and For some reason if that those dates are not workable for whatever reason if we have events or something else going on uh, I might try to like make the Like a deadline's more flexible so people have more time to get their their mr's so that they don't have to rely on Or put additional pressure on the reviewers and maintainers to get things merged so So that's one of the one thing that we definitely want to improve or change Starting with the next hackathon And the next one is I think Vitali you actually brought this up When we had a kickoff session last time Because I talked about a lot of the epics and issues that we had for front end So I started talking to several people on the on the back end team a couple of engineers and A number of people And see if there are good issues or epics that we can create on for the back end For the hackathon So what I think I'll do is I'll go ahead and create an issue and I'll ping the people that I talked to And I think definitely ping all of you on the core team and see if you have any ideas. I got couple of suggestions, uh, like I mean some of the labels to look for for the back end like technical that was Was an interesting one. Uh, I think if you look at like what for gender work on I think he was like able to Like harvest a lot of those and worked on some of the quick mrs But when I actually talked to stan Yesterday, he suggested that there might be things that have like a priority three or priority four that are You know sufficiently self-contained so that that might those might be good candidates so I might Uh, I might do some like a queries and searches and and look at some of the issues But you know, I don't have the technical background so I might ping a lot of a lot of you folks here on the call and see if you have any feedback, but uh You know because I mean the assumption I I think I made was that things might be more like a self-contained on the front end side of things but You know the stan didn't think that was necessarily the case a lot of back and stuff that that people would be interested in doing and working on So if you have any feedback on that, I mean, please let me know, but I'll I'll definitely go ahead and open an issue So we can start the conversation um So ray, I would yeah, go ahead. I would maybe stay away from the technical debt label I could have swore I read in the handbook the other day that it was being discouraged to use that label um, okay I I can't find it off hand, but it was something along the lines of you know Like technical debt can go to back end, but you don't need to label it as technical debt or something that affect because it's the um You know what the definition of technical debt is varies greatly Okay Yeah, I mean ramy. I actually do you have any take on that or like I don't I don't think I saw that like I mean obviously like Can't read every page is in the handbook, but yeah Yes, so we have uh, we actually have uh an okr in the engineering pretty team for the Q2 which is to move away from the backstage label, which is kind of a catchall label right now and technical debt is Is often uh Kind of mixed with this backstage label. So I agree that it's the definition of fuzzy right now um But yeah, that's um I think the the idea to to have more back end Issues for the hackathon is a good idea. So we we need to see what If there's specific labels that we can filter on or just maybe back end or Yeah, I think looking at the Um At the weights of issues also Would that right? Yeah, I mean I haven't looked at like how many of the back end issues have like I mean because we also have good for first sign contributors label like It is probably worth looking at. I mean I we always highlight that label You know during every hackathon anyways, but Yeah, because I haven't been able to do this for the past A couple of hackathons, but this is something that that I definitely want to fix going forward for people You know like Vitali who's interested more on the back end side of things versus front end so Cool. Thank you. Thanks for that. Thanks for that um The third bullet here is I mean obviously we had like a huge growth in the number of mrs, which is great But one of the things I noticed was that if you look at the number of people who win the merge mr prize For people who anyone who has like mrs merge That count has been so much steady. It's been like low to like mid 30s Although the overall mr count's been growing which uh, what what that tells me is that bulk of the mr growth is is due to like just two or three people Basically, that's I mean that's definitely what happened like this time around So, you know, this is probably something where I probably need to attract more people to start contributing I think in general like I mean I haven't looked at the numbers like in detail, but I was actually talking to david about this earlier today Like we probably attract like five to seven like a first time contributors during hackathon, but maybe that number needs to grow Um, so I mean, maybe that's something that I need to look at but And then the number of people have mrs merge that's sort of been pretty Pretty constant over the past few quarters. So I definitely want to have More people participating and having their mrs merge So that's something that I definitely want to look at but if you have other other ideas, I would I would welcome it Please let me know Either through issues or or slack And the other one this is similar to what we talked about in the past like maybe we should create a separate category for like the more challenging issues Because one of the discussions I had with a number of people was was that I mean some of the contributors definitely want to have as many mrs merged as possible because they want to get Either the grand prize or the second prize, but there are other contributors that are more interested in working on something That's a little bit more challenging and then they actually want to learn something through the experience They're not necessarily doing it through like a win A better prize or a better award through the hackathon So maybe it's worth highlighting. I think we had some of those For this hackathon I mean one was I don't know if this is challenging enough But you know for a getter client on ios like to be able to log in with your gleb ID Like no one took up on that. You know if I You know if we had a more substantial prize, maybe we wouldn't able to attract Like the front end person to work on that as an example And then the other thing I remember was like like more female emojis Like I don't think anybody like that took up on that But that would have been a good one to sort of have more people to participate in So maybe we'll have like a separate category for specific, you know issues that You know or mr said we want to encourage people to work on So that's I mean sort of four ideas that I thought of but You know, I think the last one is sort of what we talked about in the past Just want to make sure that we're not just rewarding volume of work, but also quality of work or The type of contribution that people are making you know Yeah, let me know what you think like I don't know if you have any thoughts or if you agree disagree, but Ray we did have a Contribute for price category label a thing, right? Yeah. Yeah, we do. Yeah. So maybe this is another way to sort of You know, I mean, I mean to be honest for that prize There's only one person who actually like submit an mr and claim that prize is actually a copo He's been the only one. So I've been looking at ways to sort of Rebound that I mean, maybe this is a way of doing it. So Yeah, that's a that's a good idea I guess that that would be my kind of force and concern is is that contribute for prize at the moment a bit redundant if If we're sort of saying the idea is to highlight Issues which are good to attack, but we've also got You know except in mr's and the way and lots of other ways of doing it So we maybe want to be careful and As maybe george was alluding to there maybe contribute for prizes specific for ones which We want people to attack rather than ones that we're suggesting are easy to attack Right So I don't I haven't looked to see if When you hover over the label does it give you a good description of Yeah, I mean it yeah, I think it yeah, it it does but I think like I mean, I'm guilty of this too like the Label description is sometimes not descriptive enough. So that's I mean, like I think I don't know what did this what description I put in for contribute for prize But it might be too generic and it doesn't really mean much So but that's Yeah, definitely something that I can look at If if we use this for marking at once issues Probably rename it because It's name is so much. We've done this except in merge requests So it's not clear. It's the first glance. Uh, what's the different? differences between the two Like between contribute for prize and accepting wise request. Yeah, okay. Yeah That's a fair point. I mean You know me this is not, you know, we probably need a different term for this but Making more like this is a challenging issue or something like or yeah, something like that. Yeah Something along those lines so Um, so it'll be sort of a badge of accomplishment. I guess once if People actually completes that part however long it takes but go ahead Lee But it makes more sense outside of the hackathon the contribute for prize label. Yeah But within the hackathon, I guess it makes less sense right No, I mean, you know, we can highlight these issues like, you know You know, even outside of the context of the hackathon even during hackathon I don't mind saying there are these other issues that I mean you get an extra prize for Um, but you know, I don't necessarily want people to just wait for this Event that happens once a quarter to to work on something because it might actually take longer than then What's reasonably doable During like a 10 day period we have for hackathon, right? So Again, I wonder Some of the questions that have come in get her around What should we contribute to George and are you helped to suggest some Some issues and I kind of mentioned some of the techniques that I use to You know, look for old issues look for popular issues look for issues with certain labels again it's A bit of a concern to duplicate by having labels that kind of cover those things but Whether we either provide hyperlinks to those or or just some additional suggestions to say well You know, you might just want to go for things that have got a weight of one or you might want to go for Old issues or you might want to go for popular issues or issues plagued with technical debt or Just a few more suggestions then I know you normally provide a couple of links, but Okay, yeah, let me think about somebody Sorry, sorry. Yeah, the fact that a few people have asked the question In the the channel previously, but it's just yeah, it's a safe people asking again Provide that a few of the answers to those questions in the the kind of kickoff notes or the Hackathon site itself going forwards. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense cool Okay. All right. Well, thanks for your feedback. Um, let me move on here I don't know how to There we go. So G2k survey, there's a link to the issue And I haven't looked at the issue in a while, but I'm not 100% sure if it has a link to the survey itself It may not because what was being circulated internally was like like a preview link that I don't think was public to Well, maybe it was public because it didn't require any login or anything like that. I remember I sort of went through like a couple of iterations of it Um, but I mean this survey is for I mean this is good. It's too poor both get lab team members and the wider community members Uh, and hopefully like either today or tomorrow You know, it should be going out. Uh, so I Had a quick exchange with ash mckenzie Uh, I think about 20 like 24 hours ago It would it sounded like it was about to go out pretty soon But the survey is not going to be very surprising. They're like a demographic type of questions like what your roles are And that also talks. I mean ask a lot of questions about your what OS What which operating system you have and like how much memory and ask questions about your systems that you use for for your development work And then questions about like, you know, how do you install like ruby and no j s on your system? and In all like a satisfaction question on on different areas like how easy it is Is it to use how are you happy with like the support you even know the support's available and documentation, etc, etc Um, so I mean there were we went through like a multiple iterations I I think the first iteration early iterations were more focused on like a give lab team members So I think George and I both provided feedback on Well, if you talk about slack channel, that's not relevant for people out in the wider community so I mean there's some Tweaks that they need to make but I it's it's not terribly long Survey, I think like you can even take the survey on on the phone They showed a prototype. I think it's like a five or six screens that you should be done I should be going out pretty soon. And then Uh, I mean gdk team. We've been doing an office hour That I mean I think Lee you probably had like a hundred percent attendance record for that Your office. I will probably talk about that including at like five a.m. Or for him your time last month Appreciate you joining. So yeah, we'll they'll probably definitely be a topic next week. I Have been sending invites out yet, but So, I mean stay tuned. I definitely appreciate you Participating in the survey you'll probably get like a number of reminders from me To to take the survey. I definitely want to have Make improvements to the gdk to make it easier to use for contributors because it's one of the I mean frequently I mean, I think I don't know what the percentage is like Lee you probably Would agree. I think 50 percent of the questions on gitter are probably gdk related Or something closer to that and and then I mean fortunately we have people like lee regendre and others that are That jump on and answer those questions, which I appreciate but hopefully They'll will You know the data will help make improvements to the gdk. So it's it's a lot easier to use than it is today So that's Should be coming out soon Just just to mention very much for next week's call, but Um, somebody jumped on the gitter channel and mentioned that the latest version of windows 10 now has full support for For linux version two as they're calling it and after me jumping ship very recently and Removing windows from all my laptops and installing Ubuntu instead Um, I've now gone back to windows and can run Ubuntu inside windows I'm going to call it natively. It's not exactly native, but it's a lot more native than running it in a vm And gdk works, you know following exactly the same instructions as if I was running it natively. So That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was ethan right who that's right Yeah, yeah that provided a little nugget on on gitter and and I think lee you you already updated a documentation Uh, put that put that update so Exactly. Yeah, exactly Latest development on gdk Yeah So, you know, whether there are a lot of guys that want to contribute that are windows users I don't know, but if there are I really hope that that will Um ease that pain a little bit cool All right, so Uh, the last slide So I mentioned earlier. We sort of stopped a lot of the I mean pretty much all of the social campaigning. So what would have been happening? Last week was reminder on the lab cfp So what we decided was to sort of extend the deadline because we sort of gone We I mean we pretty much completely gone quite on the on the social side of things So if you think you missed the deadline and and You're upset. I mean you have another a few days to submit the cfp, but I think it's end of the day pacific time on on friday so If you have a chance or if you thought you missed the deadline you have another few days to submit the cfp um in Yeah, I I thought we there like the cfps were coming in at a decent rate like the last week. I don't know the numbers But uh, definitely want to see more submissions on on the number of tracks. Um, so I'm helping out on on the community track So I don't I probably haven't necessarily paid attention to submission for other tracks, but Definitely want to see submissions across different areas for or For the event in a couple of months um The next one. Oh before I move forward any questions on on commit or the cfp I mean if you have any questions if you want to run ideas By like me or john or john coglian or emily chen just just let us now I mean if you want like a feedback on the cfp before submitting it will be happy to help out and And discuss your submissions Uh The next one is just a quick question on on vacation plans. I think we took Uh, one of the months off in the summer last time because a lot of people are on vacation Uh, I can't remember whether that was july or august But wanted to see if you have any if people are okay. We're just continuing with the Monthly meetings or like a lot of people are happened to be off like one month. We could we could just take a pause During the summer break, but just wanted to take a quick poll And see what People's availabilities are I know like a I guess in eu like I guess the borders are going to open again pretty soon So people may be able to travel, but might be an interesting summer. We may at all be Yeah, but I think so. I think it might be winter vacation this year Well, yeah, so we'll see like that sort of hits it like it coincides with the flu season into during during the winter But yeah, we might be not we might not be vacationing far away for a while Yeah, I would be vacationing in france. Um, you noticed Okay, yeah So, yeah, maybe I'll do a quick like, uh, I guess we have a new polling feature in in uh in slacks So maybe I'll do a poll like people I take I know Uh, David might be back because I know he's taking like, uh three weeks off like late july early august But you know, maybe we'll take a pause in august if a lot of people are off in august So, um, all right. So the last one. Yeah, thanks for the reminder harness. I mean, this is something that we Uh, drop the ball on um, so I know I like to reach out to a lot of people, uh, I mean people on the court team plus others about, um, uh advisory council Uh, I think like the discussion that david and I were having with with some of the colleagues in the marketing team was Was on how formalized do we want this team to be like with like a formal meetings or do we just reach out to people for feedback if If we're working on something that that needs community feedback. So that's sort of I think that's where david and I sort of left it at and and we kind of Haven't like, you know, appreciate it through the to the finish line. So Uh, apologies for that harness. Uh, I think what I'll do is I'll definitely put this back on the radar with david You know during our one-on-one meeting next week, but Uh, Hannah said did you have anything else on this besides just reminding us to to Uh, carry this through completion or I don't know. I don't know if you have any like a feedback or concerns. Yeah I wasn't sure if the uh, uh, cac is such a still land because the Handbook change has been open for more than seven months now. Right and from what I understand like Three to four months ago Some people were already contacted if they wanted to be on the cac Since then nothing seemed to happen Right, right. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I I agree. Like I I know I actively like recruited I mean including from the core team but others community members that I work with about About about the group, but yeah, well I'll definitely get back in touch with david and and figure out the next step of apologies. It's completely Slipped our mind over the past few months Okay Any other topics anything else? People want to discuss I have um one other Again, maybe slightly off topic, but um the getter itself Um, I I tend to pay more attention to the contributors channel, but um, I am in the the main git lab channel itself Um, and there's been quite a lot of negativity recently and a lot of questions around why getter actually exists Um, okay, and you know, I clearly don't know the answer to that. Um, you know, how it was born I actually did a bit of googling and it looks like it was acquired Um by a git lab at some point. Um, and actually open sourced from whatever it was before Um, but you know the the general thoughts Everyone that was on the channel was well With developers we all use slack why on earth are we using getter? Um, all the questions that are asked in there go unanswered Etc. Etc. And now that's that's obviously not quite the case a bit of an exaggeration, etc but it it raised some interesting questions that um, you know I'd be keen to know some of the answers to like Do you expect get lab staff to be in the git lab channel to answer questions or is it um purely for the community to help each other out? Why why is um getter used rather than slack etc? Okay, well, thanks for bringing that up. I'll try to find those like uh comments if I can't find it I might pin you Lee and Yeah, I mean there are there are three channels. I mean there's a channel for heroes That's uh, I mean johns. I think you're in a good job of moderating and contributor I mean, I think I mean, there are a lot of active people there like like you Lee and and we're gender and I Try to look in there at least few times a day. Like hopefully I'm not too terribly behind Uh, but I don't know if that's the case with the main channel. I'll I'll talk to Eric On the getter team and and and get his take on it, but I appreciate that but Yeah, I mean to be honest, I I don't really look at the channel either I I point people to go there people have like a user like a how to use get lab type of questions, but uh, I don't think I like Worked in there too much and try to answer any questions, but I mean thanks for bringing that up you know, yeah, I mean not to pile on here Ray, but kind of echo that like in a way it feels like a little disconnected because Uh, you know omni bus ships matter most so that's what like the customers are using if you're not using slack So like, you know, I'd say the order here is slack matter most getters pretty low on people's Totem pole Right, you as you find out I don't really do much there because it's a lot harder to be engaged on something that you're not using regularly for other stuff right Okay, now a good point. So let me talk to folks on the getter team and I'll Let them know that's going on In addition to that ray may add the getter actually is home for many open source projects besides Get that get love itself. So Yeah, it'd be interesting to see Some usage analytics that I'm sure somebody's got the lab side right Like I know Not not all projects are interested in using slack But I know a number of open source projects have you know, figured out how to set up with the slack api a way to have like a free team Right Okay, all right All right, any other topics? Questions I was interested brain the The the dashboard that you linked in the blog post Is is that tall something that's because I'm aware of melt meltana is it that's kind of been introduced in the last that say six months or so, but That dashboard that you linked these is isn't meltana. Is it something no, it's Yeah, detergent is a company that that I've been working with for the past I don't know four or five years and they work with a lot of open source projects to provide Project dashboards. So we I mean, it's basically a paid service Yeah, so it's it's not I mean, it's not related to Lab except that I mean, I guess you are a vendor And did plug in using the api or plug directly into database or Yeah, I mean, they basically like like make api calls Yeah, so they're just using our apis to extract Extract, I mean it's all publicly like available data that they're using cool All right, cool. Well, thanks everybody for your time and I'll talk to you again Next month if that's sooner Great stuff. Thanks. We're good every day. Good evening. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye