 Hi, we're here at Agile India 2017 with Yuta Eckstein and Yuta, how many how many years have you been in this conference? This is your first year? Actually, it's my second year. So last year I was the first time here and I was so excited that I asked Neresh to invite me back. Excellent. And you've got a workshop coming up on Saturday, company-wide agility. That's very true. Yes. And it's really to the heart of what I'm doing right now. Do you want to talk a bit about it? Oh, I would love to. Awesome. So company-wide agility is really scaling, if you will, Agile outside of IIT and really what does it mean to be an Agile company and Agile more in the sense of being flexible and adaptive. So the things that are required of companies right now independent, which feel there. And so it's not necessarily bound to like manifesto because it's not software. It's just general. What does it mean for for legal or for the whole structure? Some of the same principles, I would imagine, apply, but we're not talking about just like applying scrum to the other parts of the business. Exactly. Well, this is this is a bit, I think, what we see right now. At least I'm hearing about this and I also know some companies who have started implementing like daily stand-up on the board of the director's meetings or using a sprint backlog for that. But I think that's not getting us anywhere. So what actually this workshop is also about a book I'm co-writing right now with John Buck and John. He's from the field of sociocracy, so a different field than Agile. And so we're bringing this plus some other fields together. Excellent. And so the our first thing was that we wondered, well, if you ask different people, what do they think what an Agile company is characterized by? Then we get different answers from people from different streams or expertise. So for example, if you ask somebody from beyond budgeting, then they would say as long as you're doing annual budgets, you will never be able to get adaptive and flexible because you're fixed with the targets you've made and the finances, right? And similarly, if we talk to somebody like John from Sociocracy, he would say like as long as the power structure is hierarchy top-down, you will not be able to be flexible because you have centralized decision-making which just slows you down. A lot of these same principles we see in Agile software development about self-management and let's not make a bunch of decisions up front, but now we're finding how does that apply in different parts of the business. Right. And so these are the two things and then they're like if you ask somebody from Agile, we would all say well, as long as a company is not starting inspecting and adapting, you will not learn from the market and therefore you don't even know where to go and what's your adaptation and flexibility you need to. And then we have a force one which is open space slash open source because I believe they have like the two, the same source which is the belief that you will only be flexible if people can follow their passion. Okay. Right. So and what we are doing and that's also what we're doing with this workshop and with the book is bringing these four streams together and see how this can help companies to really be agile in the like flexible adaptive sense. Right. If you're more interested about that, so the other thing that we were looking at is okay, we in our community, we know the Agile manifesto, however, that has been created around creating software or building software. And so we looked at this and thinking what values are needed for a company to be agile. And so we used the manifesto as a guidance and came up with the four values as their constant customer focus. So what does it mean for a whole company to live that value? Transparency as the second one, self-organization as the third one and the fourth one continuous learning. And we just think if a company is able to focus on those values and take into account what those different streams are offering, they're really able to implement company-wide agility. Excellent. Okay. So if people want to learn more, they can either come to your workshop this Saturday or we'll be looking forward to your upcoming book. Yeah, excellent. Okay, well, thanks for talking with us today and enjoy the rest of Agile India 2017. Thank you so much.