 have it's just about five o'clock so I'm going to call the uh call the meeting to order the middle sex select board meeting to order and we have I am Peter hood Randy one or two introduce the people at the town hall sure if we can just have you guys go around just state your names Samantha Bowdoin Samantha Bowdoin yep Steven Dennis Shelley disdarden Shelley Desha Den Blanchum La Force okay so um guys I will do myself and Liz as well Peter sorry yeah okay just just just for the people in the town hall I will do my best to recognize you if you wave your hands or call for attention but but Randy's gonna keep an eye on you and if I'm not paying attention it'll stop me in my tracks okay so we want to recognize you and hear from you we have Dorinda Crowell a town treasurer Lee Sharp from the select board Phil Hyak from the select board Vic Dwyer was the road commissioner Evelyn and Zach French uh Sandy Levine from the planning commission and of course our uh our mobile conscience uh Sarah Merriman welcome everyone hi I didn't get Dennis's name actually Steve Dennis Steve Dennis Steve Dennis sorry thank you we also have Eric Montavia and Steve Jeffries here okay so Eric you're just gonna have to speak up if you want to be recognized because I can't see you of course so yep don't be shy thank you okay the first item on our agenda is discussion about possible unapproved upgrades to the class four section of me Peter Peter you have to ask for about any amendments to the agenda because there are two okay amendments to the agenda Vic go ahead yeah I'd like to uh Eric and I'd like to have uh an executive session for a personnel okay can we do that at the end does that work Victor I would Eric is Eric wants to speak on that I it's not a big deal to me either way I mean I guess we we can do it earlier or we can do it later shouldn't take too long nope whatever whatever it works part of there we can do it as part of the highway report if it's quick it's just we've got quite a few people here and getting them in and out it's going to be a little bit of a challenge but let's see how it goes okay okay um and what's the other amendments Sarah uh I think that Vic's going to address is just a bid from Hutchins so and revise bid from Hutchins okay so that that'll be part of the part of the highway report thank you okay okay so with that um discussion about possible unapproved upgrades to the class four section of mead road action possible is that you Victor um yes I get I believe so okay you're on thank you yeah Eric and I went over there uh I can't exactly tell you what day it was one one day after uh I got a call from uh Shelly those are done and we went over we talked to Sam Wayne Shelly on the phone I'm I'm at the office what's that I'm here in the office well whatever day you call me I don't know and um I talked on the phone with uh Zach later and Zach French later in the day Eric and I went over and talked to the people um we did not witness or did not see any um what you would call uh upgrades to the highway but um obviously a couple were were upset about a waterbar speed bump what whatever you want to call it and um we didn't we didn't witness anything like that that day um I don't know if it was removed or whatever uh Sam expressed that Zach was going on his property on her property I'm sorry on her property and um I assume that she probably met outside of the right away but I'm not quite sure they did talk about a mud hole that's across the road from uh Zach's here again uh I don't believe we saw anything that was that big an issue and I advised and tried to talk to all people involved that what they what was going on there is what we've seen over the years is uh you know a difference of opinion amongst neighbors and I think you kind of got to work it out between the neighbors but uh anyways did we get anything to add to that Eric no I think that covers everything so um we were we received a letter from who uh Sarah it emailed it was an email from Sam Sam yeah yeah okay he's not here tonight right it's a she she's she's sorry she is here tonight well I would I would like to hear from uh her and then hear from uh Zach and Evelyn and and Kelly has asked uh to speak as well Peter okay that's fine like if I could just say I think what needs to happen is clarification of what can and cannot be done on a classical road and I that way if all parties understand it'll make it a lot easier to move forward did you hear that I believe I believe Sarah sent you or sent some of you a copy of our class four road policy she did and basically basically what it says is any upgrade or change to a class four road needs to be approved first of all by the road commissioner which would be victor and then uh approved by the select board so just to be crystal clear nobody has has the authority on their own to go out and make any changes to class four roads now you know let's be realistic I'm not really concerned about somebody putting a little gravel in a mud hole but I'm certainly concerned about creating speed bumps or chasing the course course of the road or changing the way the the water runs in or out of the road or any serious change to the road so if there have been uh those kind of changes going on to the road um we're concerned about that and we need to be involved in that process but apparently from from uh victor's and Eric's inspection uh they didn't see any indication of that uh you may you may disagree um the the other thing I want to be clear on in terms of interaction between neighbors whether it's dumping brush or gravel or dirt or mud or whatever on your on your neighbor's land the town does not get involved in any of that that's a that's a neighborhood dispute and you guys have to deal with that uh on your own we can't help you but the class four road we can help you um so uh with that act do you have anything to uh add to this I'm sorry Sam did not get to talk okay ask Sam go ahead Zach so yeah my concern is not with my personal property it's with the class four road itself so two weeks ago a speed bump was put into the road nobody knew about it um and my mother and grandmother hit it with their suv and bottomed out it was that large um when I spoke to Zach about it he said it was a waterbar um and it so I I'd reached out with a couple people so Vic and Sarah being two of the people to get clarification on what you can and can't do on a class four road and it sounds like it's in violation so you can't just put a speed bump in the road or a waterbar whatever you want to call it um and I don't feel it's needed this is my eighth year here and it's never been an issue um another thing is putting so planting glass on a class four road um and parking vehicles and equipment on a class four road so that was the main clarification that I wanted to get and looking at the policy that Sarah had sent it does not look like you can just put in a speed bump without or a waterbar without following a process and you can't park vehicles equipment on a class four road the only thing and and uh help me out here victor but I don't think there's anything wrong with parking vehicles on a class four road next to your property you certainly cannot block the road but there's nothing I know of that says any of us on any of our roads in middle sex camp park vehicles in the town right away on a town road whether it's class four class three or whatever it is now certainly if the road's blocked or something like that that's a different kettle of fish uh zach your response that's uh so the water kept coming down by my shed so I just diverted a little bit with a hoe um it was very slight I haven't changed it and it was there when Vic drove through it's I haven't done anything different I've been back dragging the road every spring for 30 years and if we didn't do that after mud season the road would be huge potholes and bumps and a lot of even and I've never had a problem and she's never had a problem with me doing that for the last eight years she's been here until recently uh this just happened so I actually have a picture I don't know if you want to see it I have a picture of the bump that he put in so that that was removed days later so and I and I wouldn't have an issue if things were being done to the class four road that actually bettered the class four road but that's dangerous putting something in the road like that knowing that's dangerous hold on a seconds act go ahead so I am looking at a photo here uh I showed Liz um and there's there's definitely bump in the road there um well I knocked it down in my view when I hit it that's after extension the magnitude of of the bump is hard to tell from the photo but it does look I mean it would be significant if you especially if you didn't know about it so okay so here's here's the bottom line uh for for all of you Zach I appreciate your you're trying to make the road better I appreciate that you've uh spent your own time and effort to to try and improve the road in the springtime all I would ask from you is that you consult with Victor and get his permission before you do that and you know it isn't a blanket ongoing permission when you're going to do it in the spring you should give him a call and say you know we've got a situation on our road I'd like to go out there with my tractor or backhoe or whatever it is and and make it better and and Victor can say well that's great you know don't make the water bars any higher than who knows who knows what as long as long as you do that and the town agrees there's no issue but you shouldn't and can't and it is a violation of our policy for you to go ahead and just do that on your own no matter how well intended does that make sense in terms of in terms of the your neighbors who are who are concerned about this uh the same obviously applies to you if you desire to change the road in any in any way but what I would encourage you all to do is work together in a collaborative way to make it work and agree on what the what the work should be and I know sometimes when all of a sudden you come across a change in the road and you don't know what's there and your car bottoms out you get upset I understand we have a lot of dirt roads in our town and a lot of class four roads and they're always a challenge no matter what our challenge so all we're trying to do is walk the middle line have our walk the middle line have our uh road commissioner oversee the process and make sure it's as fair to everyone as it can be anybody have anything to uh to add to that I have one thing to say okay I have a uh Mercedes station wagon and it's very low to the ground and I would never make it so I bought them out in that and they have an SUV so I don't understand how that would bottom out like I wouldn't have made it that high for my car it was very I I appreciate I appreciate that Zach I just you know I don't know how high it was I don't know what what caused the vehicle to bottom out but but the whole idea is for neighbors to work together and then be sure and inform the town and get agreement for the town before you go out and change the road and that includes you know that includes digging out ditches cleaning out culverts I mean whatever uh whatever needs to be done and in some cases uh when it comes to culverts for instance and I don't know if there are any culverts on the portion of the road we're discussing um that can be a town issue so there's a problem with a plug culvert that's causing a problem in the road have uh let Victor know and we'll try and take care of so that's the other the other part of this as well thank you anything else anyone thank uh Shelly like to be uh like to speak okay again it's for clarification I mean I live in a class three road um and I know this used to be a class four road that the bridge had collapsed years ago and I think um where the equipment and stuff is being parked is where you'd go across the bridge if it was still there and my concern is um we've snow plowed so Sam and Zach could get out for the last eight years since Sam's been there and there's no place with all the equipment being parked there to turn around unless again it's a possible road people try to go by all the time and then have to back out either on Zach property or Sam's property and private property because where the equipment stuff is is not along the side of the house it's right where the bridges to be blocking the class and so my concern is with people trying to turn around again they're going to be on one of the other's property upset in one of the neighbors so that makes sense so Peter I did drive out there and take a look at the situation um and and my understanding of where the class four road does come up and it would have crossed a previously existing bridge um there there is a backhoe currently parked in that exact location and I maybe it was a car or something I was focused on the backhoe when I did go out there but but there is there is equipment currently blocking what would have been the access to that bridge in the class four so is that is that where the bridge was is that still part of our existing class four road or just the class four road end where the bridge was Victor yeah it's it's right where the bridge you know collapsed into the brook yes his yeah he had uh I assume it was Zach he had his tractor backhoe and I think it was like a four day down or something parked there but I thought it wasn't a bad idea it was a gate right to the side of it and the gates closed and they get I guess the gate belongs to Sam and and the only thing we were thinking was uh you know that would stop somebody from going over the bridge but uh if it's an issue and it's in Sam's way I guess we'd have to buy a sign and say bridge closed but to get to my question does the class four road continue beyond the bridge or no yeah yeah goes all the way down to the field in the interstate right okay but you can't drive through there anymore right right no no unless uh Sam uh or Sam gives you permission I would think because it kind of goes it might still be in the right away a little bit but she's gotta I understood it was it belonged to Sam she has a gate there in the bar and that was just to keep people from driving down there and getting in trouble and having to get towed out or whatever I guess is is that Sam yeah that's my property and people shouldn't be driving through a stream anyway right right I didn't have any didn't have any problem with the gate or anything but should we meaning that meaning the town yeah say that the road is say the road is blocked there and block it off wait just put up a sign say bridge closed or bridge out or something yeah bridge yeah usually put you know like on the interstate when we were doing or on any of the route tools or anything we did we do road work like down in Montpelier the the the real road way they just put up a sign bridge closed and and if they want to but we would just put bridge closed and be exact I'll get you in a minute okay Zach go ahead if my eyes come up with something to the barricade it absolutely recording in progress uh shelly's asked for a follow-up peter yeah go ahead shelly uh sorry detail it is um I know that there was a lot of high grass there and Zach just cut it all down so you can see what that because the bridge is still laying in the stream but on Zach's behalf if he needed access to go down that class four road would the town be getting involved to put a bridge there so they can or would that be a state issue because I know you can't just put a bridge in because there's a lot of laws behind that also I know me and Victor talked about that yeah there are definitely a lot of laws and I I can't imagine uh at any time in the foreseeable future we're going to rebuild that bridge okay but what we do have to do is make it uh is make it safe and again um whatever Zach does in the town right away he should be getting permission from Victor whether it's mowing or planting grass or creating water bars or whatever it is and and by permission I mean I don't I don't mean a big formal process I mean give Victor a call describe to him uh what you want to do and if he thinks he needs to meet with you well if not he'll just say up go ahead um we're not trying to create a a problem for anybody uh and we appreciate that you know your your efforts potentially made the road better and safer for the most part even though there's a little problem right now and in conjunction with that Peter uh I think if it would you know if he notifies me I think I would get the contact information for Sam and let her know what was going to happen yep yep just to keep her and and and if Shelly wants to know we can do that too yeah cooperate with all members we're not we're not siding with anybody we just just I I mean I read I realize you guys are a little uh after each other at the moment but the best thing would be is if you could all get along together and agree on what's going to happen there and then somebody can come to Victor if you can't agree then then Victor will be the and the select board will be the arbiters of the situation anything else anybody okay thank you all very much for coming thank you and we will uh we will make an effort to get that uh road blocked off as soon as reasonably possible um so with that um uh Victor and Eric uh want to have a short executive session so we need a motion to go into executive session I'm going to give you guys this citation so we should wait till these guys leave Peter okay yeah I think you can so if this is uh an appointment or employment appointment or employment or evaluation of public officer or or employee does that sound right guys does that sound like what you're talking about here okay but you make a final decision to hire a point in open meeting and it must explain the reasons for its final decision that's one bsa 313 a3 when you just when you go into when you ask for executive session just cite to that to say you know whatever that's permitted under the open meeting law so somebody willing you're willing to make that motion Phil I am citing the statute that that Sarah just mentioned okay second please I'll second it okay thank you Vic and then you have to decide whoop you have to decide who to include in there that who is not on the select board do you want to be seen we have Duranda helped it like that that way it's still here and how about Eric Eric oh yeah Eric thank you Sarah are you involved or not I don't need to be involved Duranda I can make Duranda drive okay make Duranda the operator and can you just put me in the waiting room until you come back I'm going to put you in the waiting room right now Sandy okay don't forget Arca I won't forget Arca I'm going to pause it pause that recording stopped so we need a motion on this hiring decision so how do we decide we're going to do this we're going we're going to grant authority to Eric and Vic to make an offer to what's his name again I wouldn't use his name right now oh right because yeah well it's just he has an existing job you know I would I would just say make an offer to the candidate as discussed in executive session or something like that okay make an offer at $24 an hour to the candidate that you're recommending yeah there you go did you say $24 an hour yes yes and and I would I would like to amend that to just include a satisfactory review of referral references yeah on top of that as well sure and also we have the he's not working for a town now right he's been working for Newton oh god so he'll have to have that that's the wrong company anyway that's okay all right he will need to have a drug test correct right all highway crews they're not aware they're working has to right okay so all right is there a second to the motion I'll second it okay now Victor seconded it Randy seconded it um all those in favor of the motion please say aye any opposed okay go to work boys thank you any anything else from the highway department we did get that updated uh bid from uh Jay Hutchins I think at some point you're going to have to sign that there we are somebody or the chairman the bottom of that I'll be back in town tomorrow so I can I can sign it okay could you uh could you give me a little could you give the minutes some interesting so what about the uh the bid from Hutchins is it up is it down is it I mean I've got it here but the bid the total bid is 340 165 but right and I think correct me Dorinda I think you said that was around 56 000 less than the last um yes 56 approximately 56 000 okay yeah great thank you and Victor this this includes not raising the height of the road correct that's correct because that that's where the savings come from was the removal of the asphalt at the town road crew did I wouldn't say that what what are the savings come from the method of coal planing and putting back pavement as opposed to reclaiming okay you know I gotta I gotta say that um you know the the work that you guys did down there um by the farm is great I love the dirt road personally I was I was thinking tear up a little piece of tar here as you set up the brook road and leave it leave it to where it stops somebody wants to make a motion on that and uh it except the flag board will do it well that was just my opinion so that'll save you that'll save you even more money well I think I think we've I think we've crossed that bridge if we're gonna consider doing this we've got to go back to the neighbors and talk to them and and I believe we've made the decision to go ahead with this plan and I'm very happy that we uh we we changed the way we're doing it so we've saved $56,000 and we're not gonna raise the height of the road I think we're in a good place I think we should go ahead so we don't need we don't need a motion to accept this bid or do we I don't think so no okay anything else anything else on uh the roads have we got our other truck back yes we we actually we actually picked it up the day after our last select board meeting so we've had it back for almost two weeks now or about two weeks so yeah yep yep yep and any any more news on the new truck uh it will be ready mid-September uh went down last week and uh went over the build um and the placement of the levers and everything else so we're good to go so can uh can you clarify when you said pick up the old truck are we are we back to a full force are we still down one missing the band clutch nope we are back to both tandems okay perfect what a struggle what a struggle yeah yep okay thank you gentlemen great um moving right along and we're a little behind schedule month monthly joint meeting with the middle sex volunteer fire department and setting a date for the public hearing transforming the the mv fd from a separate 501 c3 to a town department action likely uh eric keep on going thank you yeah might as well yeah so uh sent out the uh jeff did the uh breakdown of what happened last month uh just go over it with you real quick uh total calls were to date or 40 uh we had four last month uh two of them were mutual aid out um max responders is five minimums two so average of 4.25 uh engine went out three times and rescue out once let's see calls were 19th of july we had a mutual aid call out to montpellier for a vehicle accident they were canceled when uh capital s realized actually it was in montpellier um july 22nd mutual aid out to river road for more town for a vehicle accident there uh 89 vehicle accident and the 14th is uh vehicle versus bear that was actually this past weekend um training we did uh sign set up on road scenes and uh he has down here status on air pack purchase question mark and then fast quad we have 15 total for the reporting period 11 medical and forward in conjunction with the fire department so that's pretty much just an absence okay thank you um um so we're going to be talking about uh we're going to be talking about air packs tonight when we talk about the arp of money but okay um we know that that's that that's an issue and we've got the updated uh we've got the updated uh so we're we haven't done it yet but we're getting close yep awesome in terms of in terms of a uh public meeting to talk about this change in in the organization of the fire department of we had some discussion about this at the last meeting and we didn't make a decision um what are we thinking board members i can just say something the the six is going to be is pretty big we've already got stuff going on the 20th you're going to have the public hearing on the zoning regulations does that pretty much takes your meeting for the to october yeah so and what do we have for the first meeting in october i don't know it's pretty clear well i don't see any reason that that won't work i was hoping we would be able to do it in september but i do think it's a bad idea to try and have two public hearings on one night people are going to get confused we're going to get confused um yeah so let's let's set it for the let's set it for the first meeting in october um eric what i would what i would like to do is uh at some point between now and then and maybe sooner rather than later uh get together with you because i think what we should do is you and i should potentially not that others others can't get involved but we should put together a little presentation for that public hearing the reasons why we're uh why we're doing this we can put that together and then the select board can look it over and see if they want to add anything to it you can also uh consult with members of the fire department i want to be i want to be standing up there with you uh arm in arm with smiles on our faces as they say when we uh yep what do this um does that sound okay to everyone okay so you've got that sarah yep uh and then i think the last thing we had on the uh fire department issue was considering a letter of support for the capitol regional communication systems project action likely um you received that uh everyone received a copy of uh the suggested letter of support which i read it over it sounded fine to me um and it's just just to be clear this is this is support for them getting grant money this is in support for them bonding or going into debt or anything anything like that so um the only consequence of this for the town of middle sex would be if it goes all goes through that uh we would have a better more efficient communication system so i don't see why we uh why we wouldn't support it unless uh unless someone disagrees and if we do agree would someone make that motion please i'll make the motion um i move that we uh send a letter of support for the capital region communication system uh project and is there a second uh second okay thank you um all in favor of the uh of signing the letter of support for the capitol regional communication system please say aye aye aye any opposed okay and i will uh it'll probably be thirsty when i come in uh sarah yeah you just need to uh you know authorize peter to sign it or else maybe you don't but just just put in a motion because there's a little okay well yeah okay great thank you unless you're okay with adding that to the motion yes okay thank you um okay thank you eric you have do you have anything from the fire department no okay thank you thank you sorry i was just gonna say if sarah wouldn't mind correcting the grammar in the letter that would be helpful dude it's a pdf no i have it as a word i have it as a word oh okay well that's a pretty easy one to correct yeah okay thank you all right um treasure support dorinda okay um i sent you guys the year in budget status as you can see we came in just under a three percent over spent in the expenditures so that came in about where we thought better than what i initially thought but right where um i thought we were gonna end up afterwards so um so that's good we're getting our Cheryl's been working very diligently on getting together all the reports for the audit and that will be going out by the end of the month so uh and here we are for another year done there you go well that's a relief because boy three or four months ago it was looking like it was going to be really bad and i'm not saying that isn't that isn't real money but with the repairs we had and some of the other issues we had i think we uh i think we did uh i think we did well yeah i think well it was surprising so um just a other couple of things um i talked to phil um about that ms office situation did you hear back from holland on that oh i'm sorry i didn't get back to you i thought you were cc'd on the rest of you know he he was suggesting um it's another flavor of the the ms office is called apps for business and um the reason he was recommending that one is they can remotely support that i guess they would put something on the server that takes care of licensing all the updates are automatic so it's constantly patched and um and would them be able to remotely support that i think makes a lot of sense rather than you know we if we have a problem we don't have to have holland you know get in a car and drive out and and do something um so i i think it's probably the best way to go i mean a lot of things are moving in that direction it's what night what did we see during the 99 a year no that was that one that you wanted to go with this is 895 a person per month or 695 a person per month okay although i thought if you buy if you pay the whole thing up front it comes out to like 89 there's a discount if you pay it as a one-time fee for a yearly license i don't know what he told me okay um i think it's a per person per month but i i can look back into it my concern is that you know this license is going to expire and i don't know if we're still going to be able to use it and we can't afford to be without it so um so how many how much when you say per person it's per computer right per computer so i think we were talking i added it up and there was either six or seven i figured there was one two three four five it's six i think something like that six we're getting on the public computer i'm not counting that i'm counting um we have the lister the bookkeeper we have sarah's upstairs and sarah's downstairs right and then we have my laptop and we have the highway department right okay yeah so you're talking like $650 for the year for the whole thing yeah what did i do six i think for seven yeah i think it's somewhere you know i'd have to look it back up i'm looking right now um yeah so for for seven for seven it'd be $755 so the six it's roughly 650 for the year for six of them it's 50 yes 899 per month per user so for every user you're looking at $108 a year roughly okay yeah it's 825 i'm on the site right now okay i thought there was something where if you got some discount if you paid it for the year as opposed to on a month-to-month basis guys i've got to excuse myself for a minute i've got to grab the power cord from my ipad here i'll be right back oh i thought you guys were talking $695 per person per month what do we what do we pay for things now is everything we're doing now uh we when we bought the original license it all came with it right the um yeah all the stuff is uh strictly installed on your computer yeah as opposed to the cloud-based stuff you can you can put it on your phone tablet whatever i feel for $650 i don't see you know uh why we wouldn't yeah watch forward with something like that especially if it has the opportunity to alleviate any kind of uh fees that we're going to incur for travel time or anything like that for upkeep of a normal system so i would i don't see why it's you know from my end that i would support it doesn't seem like it's a big issue yeah i agree i think it's the way to go just to clarify when you say they can work remotely you're not talking about microsoft you're talking about okay well in a way i'm talking both because well you know they do that anyway as far as upgrades and all that stuff but it's also nice to have it you know have the phone apps if i mean i just find i use my phone more and more and more um or tablets so you know you can put it on a number of different devices per user yeah okay so i will tell um holland to go forward with it then um and i just wanted to i am we keep getting bills from rb technologies and it seems to be a repeat of what all of our issues are on an ongoing basis and we keep getting billed for that time for them to keep saying oh you've got issues with your server you've got this you've got that and we don't seem to resolve anything but we keep getting rebuilt um i think you know that this is we either we've got to do something also with our server which may be the good lead into our next topic of conversation the opera funds but um i'm i'm getting concerned that we just keep paying for them to just keep telling us we have a problem now is it above and beyond there the hours that we contract for well that's the whole thing peter if we didn't use this time up we would have that time when we had an issue i mean we paid so many hours and you know it's it's just they're using it up for stuff that doesn't seem to be going anywhere well could you if you wouldn't mind would you just write me an email and describe that in a little more detail and i'm gonna i mean ruben was supposed to get back to us and come in and meet with us and i'll take my share of the blame dropping dropping the ball and not following up but we never had that meeting and we still need to have it so well you guys sign off on their bill every single month and i mean that's that's a problem that you guys it's air every single month that we're uh we're incurring this expense and nothing seems to be happening so i mean i can send you copies of the bills and that pretty much summarizes what's going on that'd be fine and uh and let's meet with them and bring this up and i'm sorry we haven't done it already but we need to um and you know if it if it truly can't work we need to look for another vendor and distribute that to everyone during the pardon can you distribute that to the group yeah i'll get the bills together and send it but i i think that um and i don't know if you're cc'd on all of that bill or not but i know sarah gets all the emails that every time we have you know it's been going on probably for at least two months that they keep saying we have a server problem i just learned about it i think at our last meeting when when you brought it up and i that i chatted sarah when i was in the office and and they're into just to be clear they they don't recommend any resolution to this they just have to come in and reset something and then it works for a while and then working again we need a new server i think we need a new server they want us to you know if it's been five years we bought the last one in 2017 and they say we need a new server have they given us a proposal for the new server no no i'll spec it peter okay i don't want them building a server i'd rather that we buy a dow that's you know made the right way and has all the support and warranties and and stuff i don't i don't know i don't i don't disagree at all with all of that so i i you know i'm i'm discouraged only because you know what we said to them is we wanted to replant to a plate replace our equipment in an appropriate manner and i don't think anybody from their office at least is paying attention to it i mean our computers get get older every day i mean five years is is beyond what i think the normal life expectancy of a server is so and i'm sure we have some of our other computers are probably aging out too so sarah's needs to be replaced at the same time the other one i know enough i think that we're fine okay because didn't we pay them to manage our manager system and it seems like they're responding to problems but they're not being proactive about managing the process but uh if you would send out those bills to rinda i'll reach out to i'll reach out to ruben and we'll go forward okay thank you yep anything else i think that's it okay um the next uh next item on the agenda is talking about the uh arpa fund situation we already heard the question from the fire department about the uh air packs i don't know uh how to go about this if we can get that if we can get that document up on the screen sarah can you share your share your screen so we can all see that well i i during is the host i but i can give it back i don't have the document i don't have the document i think lis has it i never sent it to you sarah i don't think so okay um yeah i have it i have it on my computer right now are you able to share uh yep i just don't want to recreate the wheel and start all over again right i just made you host sarah too okay i can go liz and see if you uh if you if i can i have it right here okay so again i believe our goal tonight was well liz is getting this up to parse this down and then be ready to have a public meeting to talk about it you had another public meeting well they're all public number dorinda what do we have left we haven't spent all anything we've allocated is 100 thousand 100 so let's not leave us 450 415 415 yep and change okay yeah i think we have i mean we have never actually approved it but i think we have uh i guess the right word i would use committed to the uh air packs for the fire department but maybe we haven't okay okay thank you i've i've got the document up so right now so do we have the wish list is at 709 yeah because i don't see any maybe it's just because i can't get it up on my screen we've got 415 left and we've got 709 i guess the the first thing the first thing i would uh i would take away from this is a is a big chunk of the uh of the mud season mitigation potential money why we've got to cut something okay i mean i i guess we should go down through the list that the cb fiber thing we've done yeah we've got uh we've talked about the uh town hall planning situation i think we need to leave that 30 000 in there if anything we might need to increase it a little bit but we should certainly keep that as a placekeeper um grant match i don't know whether it makes sense to keep that in there or not um you know remodeling town hall 50 50 000 is not going to remodel a town hall now so i i either we either we take that out or we we put a lot more we put a lot more into that you're gonna need that that was for um that was a match that no that was kind of before it became i mean i know it's been urgent i don't want to say that sarah's never been urgent about it but like we were like well if we're gonna do band-aid repairs this is how much it's gonna cost like we need a new heating system right like sarah said this heating system is not going to last so oh that's for the town garage okay so that was where that that came from this wasn't really modeling town hall it was making emergency band-aid repairs right i mean what i am what i am very anxious to avoid and i appreciate the work uh you're doing was to get a uh a proposal together to distribute to different people to analyze our town hall um i just don't want to you know band-aid this and patch that and then end up building a new town hall i mean if we're gonna if we're going to stay in our existing town hall and we need to have a complete proposal and and figure out when and how we're going to do the work but 50 000 isn't going to go very far and the bottom line is if we have to have a heating system before winter we're going to have to buy that heating system one way or the other now can we leave 25 000 in there maybe we should just just in case we have to replace the heating system before winter i mean we got to have a heating system in that building whether we're going to continue to use it as the town hall or whether we're going to sell it so um yeah i mean this is exactly what you want to avoid doing is an emergency heating system replacement for a town because that means it's going to be an oil burner which is just against what is recommended at this point for municipal or you know businesses replacing their heating systems and i just is it true that the heating system is broken and can and is not working um so can i ask a can i ask a question if we so the problem that we're having is the heat the heater itself which i think creates um is the forced hot air aspect that that piece of equipment is done but we have i hate to say this we have baseboard electric and we also have electric up here in town hall so even if that thing fails we can go with very expensive electric for at least one more year but what exactly is have they i know i i know there's there's corrosion or or whatever i mean they have not redlined that that uh that have they no what do you what do you mean by redlined if it if it has failed they redline it and we're not allowed to use it they have not done that there was what we had the problem that we had was there was water collecting in the heating whatever that thing is it's not a boiler plenty yeah a what it's a furnace boiler it sounds to me like maybe sarah they're telling you that uh the exhaust stack is condensing and it's the water's collecting in the heat exchanger that sounds good but he also said that he that the the machine they piece of equipment we have now they no longer make parts for it so he put a band-aid to use a happy word a familiar word tonight put a band-aid on it and said i don't think it's going to last through next winter but good luck that doesn't have like a humidifier on it or something like that that would be creating the moisture no no it's but i don't know why there's like puddles and inside it was resting and corroding that was the big problem so that's well that's that's where i mean there is there is randy i believe and i'm just going for my memory there is a there is a humidifier thing in there but it's been defunct for years okay turned off to it unless somebody turned it on somebody turned it on that's probably where the water's coming from no there's no trust me it's dry no i mean i would i would look guys we're we're this this is what always happens we we get we get lost in the weeds i'm gonna i'm gonna suggest that we leave 25 000 in there with the idea that there it's likely that we're gonna have to replace that replace that furnace and i believe lis to correct you i believe the furnace is propane not oil yeah i have no idea what it is no it's propane and it isn't that horrendously expensive to replace as long as the duct work and everything else is okay i mean i would think it would be i don't know certainly less than ten thousand dollars we're gonna call it emergency whoops and the other thing i would say is what we have upstairs is we're not heaters they're also uh but you're also propane for okay and those are not heaters as much as this is just a heating system and i have no working on windows so randy thinks it's gonna it's closer to 15 000 okay that's fine um so um okay so if we were so the roads mud mitigation build back better funds to cover most of the cost who knows we haven't seen anything about that have we yet victor any road grants for build back better no no we haven't yeah and the issue i just wanted to bring up you know i'm not don't mean to whine i think uh but we've been out grading the roads and uh you know it's like bill reineke called of course that's a class four but there's several roads in town we just we don't have enough gravel on the roads to uh to uh build a crown into the road so the water can run off it i mean we're really really lacking gravel and every year we just put a little bit on and most of that goes in and uh the springtime when uh mud mitigation so no i mean i you know i'm not trying to alarm you people but we really really keep saying uh we just gotta have more gravel takes 2,500 yards per mile to get six inches of gravel enough to build a crown back in the road so in 2,500 yards it's uh uh it's around 15 dollars a yard so 375 375 and you got a truck and how how many miles of road do we have dirt road victor do you know how many roads how many miles of road i think it's 47 47 dirt gravel yeah and out of that 47 are you thinking 75 percent are lacking 100 percent are lacking 100 percent well no mccullough hills three or four inches on it so what what makes the road so nice on um molly supple road that looked really nice i was biking it yesterday and it was like we did it we did that much season mitigation project two years ago what is that surface on there that looks like it's not a problem well that's gravel but there's not enough on it oh okay so that's 1.65 million dollars and that's no trucking right okay but you're learning all seriousness randy you wouldn't do everything you wouldn't know but i'm just i'm just putting the magnet out there right right well what we would the the other thing we would do is uh do the main arteries that's right that's right peter not not uh you know the secondary roads we just we just can't afford to keep them up to the way we need to keep up the the main arteries but we've got you know we're gonna we're gonna do all this work on the paved portion of center road this year we did a lot of work on on center road up above the paved portion there just a few years ago and that's that's been holding up pretty well um you know we just i i agree with victor i mean we need to we need to allocate some money to this but i'm just saying if we're trying to if we're trying to whittle this number i just don't want to what i don't want to do is go to a meeting and promise that people in town that we're going to spend 300 000 on on our roads when you know we don't have the money you know we can use some of the art for money to do some of that yes we can but i'm just saying 300 000 is is literally uh two-thirds of the money we have left well and it's a drop in the bucket for what we really need yeah well we've got to we've got to allocate most of that money through our through our regular uh through our regular budget process but this is a you know everybody keeps telling me that we're going to have all this money coming down from the feds and i haven't heard boo anything about any of this supposedly there's money flowing into the state of vermont like crazy but where it's going or who's going to get it well i think the league of cities and towns is going to help us once the money is available to tell us where where these grants are this isn't going to be like we have to suddenly you know or that we have to just figure this out on our own we have supports to help us with this so now it's not here it's not available yet just just keeping in mind what we're what we're trying to do tonight which is what i'm trying to focus on is when we have this public hearing or informational meeting or whatever we're going to have about these arpa funds i want to come with you know i don't mind having it be a couple hundred a couple of hundred thousand dollars over and then let the people pick and choose but but going in with a 750 000 number when all we have is 400 to me makes no sense that we're not doing our job so i just trying to stay on task here if you pull out the 200 000 that liz has bolded out here for things that it feels like we've committed to the 30 000 for the town hall the cv fiber the airpacks for the fight apartment leaves you three hundred and fifteen thousand dollars yep so that three hundred thousand dollars for the mud mitigation essentially everything else on the list totals that number so if if we leave you know if people look through all of these other items and if there are things that they feel like are able to come out of you know come off the list because we've got other ways of of paying for it or raising capital for it or whatever in my mind that leaves you what you're able to to tie back to the roads which is if you'll recall what i said at the last meeting i i view the roads as sort of the whatever uses up whatever's left and as we go down and knock stuff off this list we've got to keep in mind that to get something left we've got to knock a lot of stuff off right that's correct and i don't think we need three hundred thousand dollars in here we couldn't haul three hundred thousand dollars put it on the road in the years time no when is this money have to be spent by 2024 i believe we have to commit what we're going to do by 2024 but we have to physically expend it by 2026 right so i don't you know again i don't think that we have to like i think it's okay for us to go to the town with a wish list that's more than than what we're getting and at least hear from them like what you know what are their priorities right i think roads are going to be a priority right but maybe we don't even want to put roads down because you know we can make the argument that there's going to be other funding or that that that really is just a drop in the bucket and doesn't make sense when this is one time funding that is you know fairly discretionary right and that that could be put towards other things that don't have other funding avenues you know like a like the heating system and the roof for the fuel tank and the you know rescue vehicle and the heating system and the you know grant matches and things like that that we normally don't have money to budget for so maybe we don't have roads at all in there maybe we don't use this money for roads unless it's something special that you know what i would what i would like to have and and i don't know how we do it but just like we did the last time with mud season mitigation have a proposal like here is where we can get the best bank's mar buck to improve the town roads and not just have a blanket statement that we want to spend 300 or 200 or 100 say here's what it's going to cost to do this project here's what it's going to cost to do that project those are the ones that we're focusing the arpa funds on and i don't know what those projects are i would rely on uh on eric and victor to uh to come up with them but maybe we give them as a task the idea that they come up with 150 000 dollars worth of mud season mitigation above and beyond what we do through our normal work plan well whatever happened to our um this is the off topic but what happened to our um you know five-year plan of like what we were doing on molly supple and and um the other roads like doing that huge mitigation where is that we have our we have our five-year plan what's been happening the last two years is because of personnel issues and equipment issues we haven't been able to deal with the problems the issues we have on our on our five-year plan so every year we don't do it it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse but i guess has it been evaluated to determine of those is that still our five-year plan like is it still in the in the plan that we need to do x-road next i think it was what you know or something as if you'll recall we redo it every year at budget time all right and we just haven't been doing it because of covid and staffing and all that we've been doing it we've been putting together the plan but we have no i know but we haven't done the work well and the money's been eaten up in equipment repairs and everything else right and the major you know like the mud mitigation that we had to do the spring and whatnot so i don't i don't know as we really you know the get i don't want to drag this out but i don't i don't we have a five-year plan you know and it's mostly i think they call it full service or whatever you know which is you know put culverts in and cut in the brush and i think we should stay with that as far as doing a major major you know like a molly soupal again or even over by notch road i think we ought to put that off for a year or two until we get that's what i'm talking about i'm not talking about your normal five-year plan right i know i knew you were yeah okay and i think we got to put that off for a couple of years and just and just try to just maintain what we have you know like we're supposed to go up to south no north bear swamp and and do some ditching and just brush here to do that and stuff like that just just keep uh just keep our maintenance up i mean i i know eric can kick in there too if you want yeah i yeah my my only thing is i want to let you know that i've been focusing on the trouble areas on the main arteries right now trying to fix the problems that we have so we can get back back on track right excellent yeah and and one of the one of the places we got also is over on east hill where it goes out every year i think some of that's been mitigated last year but then that's a you know that's uh east hill main artery we need to get that we need to get that slate off there i know we took some off this year but there's still a lot of it there we've had two or three times this summer where that road was like grease lightning worse than it ever is in any snowstorm just because of the rain and that slate no east hill yeah and and and a couple of questions so i just i'm gonna go back and look at the list um and then again this is just you know personal um i think the 20 000 for the fire department turnout gear to me is a priority um it's it's something needs to be done um and in terms of having safety for our crew uh is important it's not a lot of money uh either um the 50 000 for a 10 percent match on rehabilitation in the town hall i would take out i would support putting 500 000 into into town hall rehabilitation in any possible scenario um or even a lesser amount i just i don't i think that's just throwing good money after bad um community fund is is great that's fine question ferric about the um the rescue vehicle it says 25 000 used capital spending plans says 140 so i don't what are we are we thinking we could replace this with a used vehicle i've i've been just keeping an eye out for stuff it's very difficult to find decent used equipment because by the time people are getting rid of it yeah it's warm yeah um but that hasn't stopped me from looking yeah i just and if we can if we have to replace it again i think if we have to replace it we can't find use then we ought to go the route that we do for any other kind of heavy equipment and we should you know either bond for it or put it in the budget take a multi-year loan and and do what we need to do so that we've got an appropriate um uh vehicle so i you know i'm between between about you know do we leave that 25 000 in there or do we like to roll that money either that money or a bigger amount over a period of time uh into uh into our fire department budget uh the owls $4 000 trump change we take it out um i agree take it out how to do a hybrid meeting yet and if when we need to we can have money in our technology budget to to be able to do something like that 35 000 for the town garage repair now not that long ago we had had some people look at the town garage and we had real concern about the viability you know kind of like town hall as far as moving forward do we really want to spend that kind of money at the garage or do we want to look at a better longer term solution than spending 35 000 this way and again like i'm just asking so here's my here's my take on that i think right now we need to focus on we need to focus on the town hall the town garage is not about to collapse is it great no it's not great would it be nice to be bigger yes uh we've had disputes about whether it can be uh we've had a couple of people tell us that the insulation can't be improved we've had other people tell us the insulation could be improved um but i think we just need to put that off for a while we do have to have we have i believe two modings one or two modings that have that are either failed are failing we've got to replace those we've got to have eat in there and we've got either either fund it with fund it with our budget or or fund it with this so i think that's a good use of uh our funds the other thing is about these gas modings is if we did build a new town garage we could move those modings right into the new town garage so that's what i was wondering okay not like they're gonna be uh it's not like they're gonna be lost you know they hang from the uh they hang from the ceiling so yeah yeah i know what you mean so anyway that's but i would i would leave the heating the heating in there um i don't know about the fuel tank roof i mean is that something we really need to do or want to do i don't know i mean that was that was in our plan was to do that and we put the uh we put the concrete in there to do it and we never finished it so i don't know how everybody feels about that but again that isn't a lot of money it's just finding somebody to do it hey peter yes i i know you guys are having a hard time sorting this out but i'm wondering if what you might want to do is every uh board member between now and the next meeting looks at liz's list it puts a priority read redes the numbers i can put together um a spreadsheet just saying you know which which like i wish i could do a bar graph but like which is the most popular project and which around which uh funding level and then you could have something to work with at your next meeting when you're talking about this so that way people would say oh roads are more important among the select board members than we thought what do you think about that no i think that's fine i i think you know between the fire department public hearing and the zoning i feel like we've got our hands full for the next few months and trying to get and trying to get uh information about the town hall there's no hurry to do this we have plenty of time so yeah let's let's do that and see where we and see where we end up i mean i'm i guess in the long run i'm not you know we we have this public hearing we have a spreadsheet we see what people have to say you know we've got we've got plenty of time i just i just want to make sure we get the best bang for the buck we can get with this money that's really what i'm looking for i know i'm just saying this way you would be it would be something that you could then have a foundation to talk about as a board my only um hesitation i don't really have hesitation about the roads is that you know i just don't know what would be the right number to assign the roads right i mean 300 000 isn't enough 150 is nothing you know what what what are we even talking about with that money what are we saying we would do with that money well that's that's why i'm suggesting lis that we ask uh victor and eric to come up with a couple of specific projects and i like that idea before we decide i like them to come up with something that they could use 200 000 for 300 000 for right and the other thing the other thing i would say about the roads and we need to we need to move on from this tonight is what we really need to do as a board and as a community commit to not just a five-year plan but maybe a 10-year plan i mean we tried to we tried to uh take a look at that with our capital funding plan but it really doesn't fit into the capital funding plan but you know people want the roads to be better we know they need to be better we need to have a plan to do that but it's going to be a 10-year plan or a 15-year it isn't going to happen in one or two or three or four five years unless we get some huge influx of uh state or federal money in which face it's a new bargain later yes i'm sorry yeah i think we got to move on with that road i think eric and i'll have to get together uh at seven o'clock at night i really can't think of uh i'm not on my best part of my game but uh uh and eric's worked all day but we can come up with something that uh we could work with and get you a number yep yep and uh so okay same time sarah if you can organize this as a uh or or or clean up uh liz's spreadsheet and get it out to all of us that would be helpful this is spreadsheet it's pretty clean yeah i was just thinking the way it is yeah yeah okay my mess of a spreadsheet looks pretty good to me i'll take out this fund balance stuff per uh darinda's suggestion last time because it just confuses things yeah yeah it does yeah it does so i i agree with this this effort to move forward but i do have some concerns about kicking the can down the road on things where it looks like you know folks feel like we're fairly committed to whether it's the airpacks or this planning grant and whatnot and part of my concern is with everything else that would longer we kick the road the can down the road if we're really going to do these airpacks and everybody's committed on that i would just as soon see a consensus and just approve that to move forward so that we're not dealing with you know uh continually increasing prices or or having the fire department out you know if we're if we're committed to that i think that we just need to be say we're committed to that and move on it and then we can figure everything else out but um i was actually going to suggest that randy because i think we were on the verge of doing that at our last uh at our last meeting and i also think just for the point of view of showing town support to the fire department when we're going through this transition that's important too and then we can talk about that we can talk about the turnout year later but i'm i'm ready to i'm ready to move on the on the airpacks now before the prices go up another ten thousand dollars that's a good idea would you like to make a motion for that effect randy sure um i would be happy to make a motion to approve up to the seventy thousand dollars in expenditures for the arpa money to purchase new airpacks for the fire department i'll second that i'll third it okay it's been moved and seconded to uh approve up to seventy thousand dollars to uh update and get new airpacks from fire department uh per the proposal that we've already reviewed all in favor all right anybody opposed okay there we go yeah so uh eric you're still here yes okay yes i'm still here so we're ready to go on that so go go go okay i will i will pass it along okay in motion okay thank you very much and have a good night okay thanks eric thanks eric so uh we're through with the arpa discussion for tonight correct right uh we do have we do have one other thing and i apologize i meant to add it to the agenda and i didn't uh it is down under uh other other business and that uh dick Picard's bid to uh repaint the rear of the old fire station which we discussed doing last year dick came to me whenever it was three or four weeks ago and said hey are you guys gonna do it or not and i said uh dick you need to you need to get a proposal to us uh to do it um peter that's on the agenda what that's on the agenda yeah down under other business right hey can you take down your spreadsheet yeah thank you thank you i mean my thing on this and i don't know what the future of that old fire department is but we've painted the roof we painted the other three sides of the fire department the the back is absolutely the worst for $1,400 i think we need to go ahead and finish up what we've been doing and then hope we can figure out some long term resolution for the fire department but it's not going to fall down if we don't paint it but i think that 1400 is a pretty reasonable price there's a lot of prep work there's a lot of peeling paint back there i don't know if any of you have uh taken a look at it yeah i mean the the dollar amount isn't concerning to me but i do have reservations on you know uh continuing to spend money on a building that the future is unknown and and something that most likely isn't absolutely pertinent to i know but it's the same old it's the same old thing randy that we run into we make a decision to go ahead paint it over four or five years and we get three quarters of the way through it and then we say well we're now we're now we're not going to paint the back i mean that for for $1,400 that just i i i'm very frustrated about that fire department but we've been we've been spending money every year a few thousand dollars to get the thing painted and we've got one last phase of it to do so i understand you i understand your concern but once we once we start whether it's the roads or the fire the old fire department or whatever it is once we commit to one of these things we need to less something some real disaster occurs we need to follow through and finish it up i think i don't know how others feel sarah's gotta end up well i think did you guys get the photos that i sent you of the of the front of the of the town hall yeah that looks really really bad no one sees the back of the fire department i work here and i've never seen the back of the fire department i've worked here for nine and a half years so i don't know why we're spending $1,400 to do that when there is when you drive up and you see the peeling paint it's embarrassing so here we go again you know can we do guys and we talked about it last year if the sense is that we don't want to paint the fire department this year let's not paint it we're gonna have dick give us a proposal to paint the town hall which is another town hall band aid well there are other painters in town right why i don't understand why we're throwing this business solely to dick peak hard when they're playing when they're we should at least we can throw that sarah we can get we can get proposals from other painters for sure but any other painter is probably busy right now yeah and probably more expensive yeah those are all good excuse is that he's done our painting on the town hall in the fire department from years he does he does do a good job and his prices are reasonable now that isn't to say there aren't other painters but that that isn't the question of whether we paint the town hall or we paint the fire department i think i think as a matter of of principle you go out you know i i've always tell all my all my clientele go out try to get three bids you know make sure i don't care how long you've been doing business with somebody i mean there's if it's personal money that's a different a different conversation this is public money i think we've got to do our due diligence and and at least try to get you know a couple various bids for for this kind of work well it's a phrase you use so don't we have a phrase you just use the winner go stop stop stop please dorinda help me out we have a policy about at what level we get bids correct uh i believe so i'm not sure sarah would have to answer that one i know what it is but i think i think it's for equipment and stuff but i could be wrong it's it's any i think it's supposed to be expenditures over five thousand dollars that's i think that's so if we need to review that policy randy we need to review that policy but i think this would and i'm i'm just going for memory but i think this would fall under under that uh that limit for now and i don't disagree with what you're saying i would i would tell you right now if we want to have and i don't want to spend a lot of time talking about this tonight we want to get this painting project whatever it is done this fall we're going to have a hell of a time getting any painter to come other than deck so if we don't want a higher deck or we don't want to do the painting we're making a decision not to do the painting and we're we're kicking the old can down the road one more time which is exactly where and i'm not criticizing you randy i'm just saying you know we we always seem to get into these things where we we start projects we don't finish them we second guess ourselves we don't follow through i'm just uh it's fair enough fair enough you know sarah i think that's statute the five thousand number not just policy uh yeah we have we do have a policy we have a policy you have a purchase policy yeah purchase policy i don't know about it repairs and things like that that's 15 surrender yeah i believe it is 15 for purchases it's from 2015 and it says uh no purchases over ten thousand dollars shall be made by any ten officer employee without prior prior approval of the select board all purchases of 25 000 or more or any supported by any supported by federal funds shall be subjected to the bid process i wonder if that applies to the arpesta yeah probably does okay well what i'm what i'm gathering for tonight is that we are not ready to approve any painting projects at this point in time is that a fair statement sounds like it's fair you know i'm gonna make the motion that we in fact do do hire dick and get the back of the fire department building done and let's just see what happens if it dies we're gonna find out pretty quick yeah is anybody willing to second that motion i'll second the motion so now we need to vote all those in favor of hiring dick the card for 1400 to paint the back of the fire department say aye hi hi nay hi randy nay the back of the fire department is what we're talking about so you gotta help me out here i'm sorry i how did you vote victor i didn't oh okay you abstain so we have two in favor two against and one abstain so we have not voted to okay uh so it did not pass correct it did not um approving the minutes of the august second select board meeting action likely is their motion so second come on guys i i can't vote i wasn't attended uh i'll second it okay thank you all those in favor of approving the uh august second 22 select board meeting minutes say aye and randy you're abstaining right correct okay and any opposed okay thank you uh reviewing and approving a memorandum of understanding to give a hundred thousand from the middle sex american rescue plan act to cb fiber i i did get that thing you said sarah but i did not have a chance to look at it i don't know if anybody else did i did it's it's it's very minimal what rob did it's a couple of legal citations and he asked for what was in an attachment um to be included so i didn't see anything uh big there um i'm gonna say uh i i just i'm embarrassed that i didn't have a chance to read it over i'm sorry um but i guess i'm i'm willing to go ahead we've been we've been trying to uh we've been trying to expend this money and get it done and i guess as as long as as long as cb fiber will accept his recommended changes i say we go ahead with the mo you wouldn't get it uh get it done i don't know about what the deal and i'll make that motion is there a second what so before you second i just you know the attachment that that we haven't seen are all the all the terms and conditions for the uh for the agreement you know does it seem right to vote on that without the agreement or for arpa no that the grant award terms and conditions and rob's note said uh he has not been able to provide a copy of the attachment and will provide one with comments and concerns following his review so i wrote uh i wrote cb fiber and asked them to send a attachment to see which pierce would have been left off and i haven't received that and i i haven't received a response from them and it was last minute it was just yesterday when rob asked for that um but i asked them to send it directly to rob too and and it doesn't seem to me as though they've gotten it you guys might want to hold on we should hold off we should hold on yeah we should hold off if he's still waiting for something we should hold off um as anxious as i am to get that done i'm not anxious to short circuit the process yeah i mean i'm sure it's fine but you know right randy we should see it first okay i'll be after him can somebody tell me what that sixteen hundred dollars is per household at the bottom of uh rob where rob reported that because i can't get it i can't get it when i'm on zoom um i can't get it on my phone do you have it right there randy um i'm looking down near the bottom there were three things and one of them was 16 i thought 1600 per home per home so connecting households uh the current estimated average cost to connect each home is estimated at 1650 but this is subject to change uh town reserves the right to review specific plans for construction and connections so my my understanding of that victor was that that's the cost for cv fiber to make those connections it's not the cost to the resident but it's it's the it's the all-in cost for those guys and our buy down this 200 000 dollars with the match is going to offset a bunch of that cost right yeah okay all right all right do you think it's good it's good thank you well we're gonna have a we're gonna have another chance to take a look at this and i'm certainly i'm certainly gonna look at over and i encourage everybody else to too i mean sometimes these things get so complicated it seems uh it seems a little crazy but anyway onward it onward and upward anything else okay thank you thank you everyone darinda you'll get us those uh those bills yep okay thank you thank you everyone good night thank you thank you bye