 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this pumped up and engorged episode of Mind... PUMP! For the first 54 minutes of this episode we do our normal conversation, introductory conversation. We start off by talking about erectile dysfunction. Hey, boners, no existing. And our new sponsor, Roman. Now Roman provides an outlet online where you can talk to a doctor online and actually get a prescription for erectile dysfunction medications online. Very easy to use. And if you go on the website, getroman.com forward slash mind pump. Our listeners get $50 off their first month, so go check it out. And we talked about Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz. What? The geriatric MMA championship. Just like a decade ago or right now. Just coming up. Right now. We talked about my daughter's communion. That was fun. We talked about the dosis and mirror events. Awesome. Yeah, good, good time. We talked about recovering from alcohol with activated charcoal and organified turmeric. Yes, we are also sponsored by Organify. If you go to organifyshop.com, enter the code mind pump, you'll get a massive discount. We also gave an update on the Seattle head tax. They're trying to tax themselves into oblivion. And the Royal Wedding's $45 million price tax. Sal was super excited about this. Who paid for that? He videotaped it. Tax payers did. Then we get to the questions. The first question was this person's trainer is saying that they don't really need to squat all the way down unless they want a power lift. So what's the use? Is there any benefit to squatting lower than parallel? Should you fire your trainer or maybe just invest in some Maps Prime Pro? That's right. Maps Prime Pro can be found at mindpumpmedia.com. The next question was this individual has given themselves an egg intolerance by eating a shit ton of eggs. Now the question is what's the likelihood that they'll have a similar reaction to another food that they eat frequently? Now, wasn't this one of the guys I saw, I remember tagging you guys. There's a guy that was going through answering all the mind pump questions. He was. He answered this one wrong. And I feel like you picked this question intentionally just to make sure our audience knows what's up. Yeah. What's up, buddy? The egg intolerance. I feel like you did that on purpose. Out knowledge means? Right. I think it's important that if there's not a mind pump in somebody's name and they're answering questions on a mind pump page, be careful. Well, it works for me. I can answer. Right. I proceed with caution. The next question was if we could completely change the fitness health and wellness industry, like if we could control it and change it, what would that look like to each of us? 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In the name, I just read two iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com. Send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. What do you guys think about our new sponsor, our new company we're working with? Roman. I'm actually, I'm excited to sign up and try everything out. But are you really excited? Yeah, well, we'll find out how excited I'm going to be. Taylor has been working on it for some time. He has showed me everything. I kind of dug through their stuff. I'm like, okay, I'm interested in this, especially with what I'm going through right now. Here's why I like this company. So what Roman is, Roman provides erectile dysfunction medications like generic Viagra, generic Sialis, and others. But the reason why I like them is they eliminate a lot of the middleman or the rigmarole that you had to do before, where you'd have to go to a doctor. You have to do the whole process. This is all done. I mean, as long as you've seen a doctor over the last five years, you just do it all online. You know how much the visit is online? Everything's online. Dude, everything's online. Secret discrete. $15. $15 doctor visit, which you get refunded if you don't qualify for prescription. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So you have nothing to lose. You go on there. You set up the appointment or whatever. It's an appointment with a doctor online, costs $15. And then if you're approved, I think it's like super fast shipping, right, Doug? Isn't it like next day or something like that? Or a couple of days? I don't know. Well, what's cool about this was I was talking to, Taylor's been talking to them for some time. And when he first started talking to them, they wanted to do something. I told them not yet right now. And the reason why is because I wanted to do everything I can possibly. Naturally, I wanted to be consistent that way for a while. Are you going to try getting on? Yeah. Well, I want to get a prescription. So I have it for the times when I absolutely feel like, okay, here's the deal. I can tell already I'm not 100% back to myself, right? And I know we have our test that we're going to take and we'll find out exactly. So people that are wondering exactly where my levels are, we'll get to that eventually. But I can tell, I can feel where my libido is at. And I have, I seem to have like, if it's a really good week, like maybe when we're not traveling and flying, I've got four workouts in the week, like my diet's dialed in, like I feel pretty good. You know, I feel pretty normal. But I've also noticed just in the last few weeks that, you know, when we were traveling late nights, diets not as dialed, missing workouts, I can already, I can feel the libido like dip. So it would be nice for me to have like on hand, like a prescription that when I come home and I haven't seen my girl for like seven days and she absolutely wants to make sure that she gets some, I want to be able to say, okay, if I need to tap into this, I'm going to tap into it. Ideally I'm always going to go whole foods and do all the things that I need to do first. But I mean, let's be real. There's times where we fly in at 10 o'clock at night and go into the gym and organizing the diet already that fast. Like, no, it'd be nice if I had this as an option for me. So I was like, okay. This is one of those things you know, it's an indication something's off, right? Yeah. Your health. So that's, I mean, that's definitely something. This is like a, not the answer for everything, but this is something like Adam's saying in certain scenarios, if this is an issue, you know, some help with the bedroom. Here's what's important. So erectile dysfunction can indicate that you might have something wrong with your health. Like, you know, like you have high blood pressure or poor cardiovascular health. Also many times, many times, it's an indication of anxiety and stress. And here's what happens with a lot of these cases, is that a guy will have erectile dysfunction for whatever reason. Let's say he's stressed. Let's say he just got out of a long relationship. He's getting in a new one. Let's say, you know, it's a new girl or work is stressful or whatever. He can't perform. Now that performance anxiety starts to feed into more performance anxiety. And so what they found is many times men will take erectile dysfunction medication so that they can build up their confidence and feel okay. And then they go off of them. No, I could see myself. Let me tell you like the, and this is, Taylor and I went back and forth discussing this because I was like, you know, the only way I would be okay with something like this is if it's something that I would, I've been exploring myself. Like it's been something that I'm like, I can tell that when that happens. And then what it leads to too, is my girl is like bummed. And then when she's bummed, then we have this long, big old deep talk and it's me explaining like, listen, honey. Which then makes it worse. Right. Then again. Exactly. Then it makes it worse. It takes it out of the mood too. So that's even harder for that to happen. You know, no pun intended. Because then you're going into the next session or whatever and you're like, oh my God, what if, you know, what if this happens again? I'm stressed out. And then of course that contributes to the whole problem. So it's one of those things where it, you know, it can really, and the way these medications work is they inhibit an enzyme that breaks down nitric oxide. So because these drugs like Viagra, for example, was created to combat high blood pressure because it lowers blood pressure through vasodilation, through opening the blood vessels and increasing blood flow. And then of course they notice the side effect of, you know, more erections and you know, the brilliant makers of Viagra were like, instead of trying to lower people's blood pressure, let's do this because it's way more, it's not a very... Something else is happening here. Yeah. It's not a super good blood pressure medication, but it gives people erections and it's pretty safe. Now what's your, now I've talked again, I've been talking to Taylor for quite some time about all this stuff and sharing this with him, but I haven't had a chance to talk too much with you about this. What is your take on something like this? Like obviously I don't think it's something that would be ideal to be taking it all the time. I mean, what... I think it depends on the... What are the detriments? It depends on the situation. So the medications are, and of course, you know, for as long as they've been around, they seem to be relatively safe. Now there are, you know, I'm not a doctor, so I want to make that clear, but there are some potential dangers if you have, you can have like all of a sudden real low blood pressure, which can cause fainting, whatever if you have poor cardiovascular health, probably not a good idea to take the medication. So it is prescription. You do want to make sure you get cleared before you take any of these things, but... Well, you can do that all virtually here. Yeah. That's just cool about this, isn't it? Yeah, as long as you've seen a doctor in person over the last five years and you've been cleared of any major health stuff, then the online visit is fine. If you haven't seen a doctor in five years, then I think they'll require you to go see a doctor. But, you know, most people have seen a doctor over the last five years. But here's the other thing too. Sex is a very important part of health. So if you're in a relationship or you're in a situation where erectile dysfunction is degrading your quality of life, then it may be worth it to do something like... Look, it's no different. It's actually much safer, but it's kind of similar to other medications. Like let's say you're very depressed and, you know, you're just in a hole and you feel like you can't get out of that hole. Well, an antidepressant may give you enough energy, may make you feel good enough to get yourself out to do the things that'll make you feel better. So with erectile dysfunction, medications like this may give you the confidence to then no longer have anxiety for this particular issue or problem or whatever, and then later on you don't necessarily need to take it. So that's the thing. It is definitely a health situation. I know people joke about it or whatever. Get out of a hole and get into a hole. Wow, they're going to love that one. Thank you. Justin! Hey, this is mine, Pump. Hey, switching gears really quick here. Did you guys see what's going on with Chuck Liddell and fucking Tito Ortiz? Oh my God. Are they going to fight? Bro, this makes me so sad. Tell me you have not been paying attention to this. Are you serious? No, I haven't. You told us about it and I haven't followed up on it. So, you know, I have been. I've been diving through it like crazy because I'm just blown away. Chuck Liddell is 49, bro. 49 fucking. I mean, let's be honest, though. At 49, he probably kicked the shit out of most people. Of course. But you don't have no business going to professional fight. But for a fighter, that's so weathered. So at first I was like, this is really weird. So I had to, I went digging. So I went digging through all kinds of stuff. I've been like all in this shit for like the last weekend, right? So here's all the rumors. So before... Chuck Liddell changed his fight gear. Look at his, look at his clothes. Chuck Liddell's trainer said this. Fighting Tito Ortiz again is like banging a fat chick. You don't want to keep doing it. Oh my God. That's an epic quote right there. They're going to raise money, dude. They're going to raise money doing that. So, okay, so here's what's going on, right? So I found out that Chuck had worked out this deal with Dana White and the original owners of UFC when they sold in 2016. So part of this deal, they made this sweet deal. Chuck was like one of the first big names for UFC. And so Dana White had made this kind of like, you know, backdoor deal with him. Like, hey, we're going to forever take care of you for being like the face of the UFC early on. So he's been on cruise control for, I mean, he's been retired for 10 years and they've been paying him. So he's been still making royalties. I don't know exactly how much or what like that, but he's not enough to pay for his mansion and his Ferrari and whatever the toys and things that he does. And so he's been living off these royalties. Well, when they sold in 2016, they said, sorry, dude, there's nothing, there's no contract deal. This or that, like we're not, we're not honoring any of the shit that they've been paying for a long time. So rumor has it the last two years, Chuck's been struggling financially. And again, this is rumors I'm just spreading. I don't know any facts or anything like that. But this is what everything that I've been diving through and I've heard on other podcasts that are talking about this. And so that's part of the motivation behind why he's wanted to do it. Now, the irony in all this is Oscar De La Jolla, it's Golden Boy Productions that they're speaking to. Now, the other room- To put the fight together? To put the fight together, because Vegas and UFC and Dana- They don't want nothing to do with it. They're like- Bellator and all that? No one. No one wants anything to do with this. They're just, no thanks, no thanks. And so I was listening to Chell Sonnen talk about this and he was talking shit about how dumb Chuck LaTel and Tito Ortiz are because they think, or he thinks that this is all a ploy by Golden Boy to kind of give a little dig back to MMA for getting into their business. Because Dana White jumps into the boxing world and puts on the biggest fight ever with Mayweather and McGregor. Right. So this is Golden Boy being like, stay out of my business, I'll stay out of yours. And so he's kind of fucking with them by having these talks. And the reason why Chell Sonnen thinks it's all bullshit is because these guys are out promoting a fight that doesn't even really legitimately exist yet. There's no one that has signed with them production-wise. They don't have a location. And he's like, so what you're seeing right now is such bullshit because you would never promote a fight like this. You would never promote a fight until it's on. Things are locked in. Until you have an event, until you can sell tickets. Because right now there's lots of hype. Everyone's gonna be talking about their shit. There's all kinds of people speculating how stupid it is, how awesome it would be, or I would still watch it. So this is when you would want ticket sales and a date already locked in, and they don't even have that. So what he thinks is that Oscar De La Hoya is manipulating these two idiots and getting them to talk on all their social media platforms to... Well, you know, Tito... Tito's not the dumbest business guy. Tito's actually... Here's the thing with fighters, by the way. Fighters, typically throughout history have been terrible business people. Terrible. The stereotype of the old, retired, heavyweight champion boxer who's now broke and running a bar is... I mean, there's a lot of truth to that. And you see this a lot with professional athletes who they make all this money, but they don't know how to manage it and what to do with it. And so you ask yourself, like, Mike Tyson, didn't you go bankrupt at some point? Like, what'd you do with all those hundreds of millions of dollars? Too much. I feel terrible for these guys, because first off, from what I've read, Chuck Liddell isn't his old self. Not just because he's old, but because he got banged around a lot. Both of them have. And fighters don't age very well. You know, when you get blasted in the head like that, you know, over and over again for years or a decade, because I know Chuck Liddell fought for a long time. He didn't just fight in the UFC, he fought before the UFC. He's been getting blasted for a while. Yeah, just in training, just taking all those shots. Yeah, dude. That shit adds up. Yeah, you guys know the term punch drunk, right? That's CTE. That's what it is. And they start slurring, and it just doesn't look good. I don't think, and I think one of the reasons why these organizations don't want to take them on is because they don't want to bring to light how sad, how terrible it is. Well, it just looks bad. I mean, it's like... It shines a light on how little they do for their fighters as far as having them set up for retirement, having a plan, networking, and getting them connected to the right people for investments and things like that. They're just behind. They're behind all the other major sports. You look at the NFL, and the NFL has, I think it's a week longer, a two-week course when you get into the NFL. Yeah. These guys go through to warn them of, listen, there's going to be women that are going to try and sleep with you. Oh, they do all that. Oh, yeah. They have classes in there. They've had to. I mean, through all the pushback that's happened for... I mean, because the... I can't remember the statistics that I read on this, but it's crazy the amount of professional athletes, like in the NFL, NBA, and sports like this, that end up going broke. Yeah. Many of them are 20 years... I mean, I know how much I wowed out as a 25-year-old, 23-year-old that was making okay money. When you compare my money, compared to what these guys are making, like I wasn't making anything. But for me, it was a lot of money that I was used to. I remember how much I wowed. I couldn't imagine if I was making... Dude, it's not... And we're talking about MMA. That's the least paid sport in terms of what they do, how popular they are. They get paid dog shit. And dangerous and extremely dangerous. What people don't realize is you're this young kid. You go from broke to top of the world. You're making all this money. People are throwing themselves at you. Women are all over the place. Drugs are being given to you. Everybody thinks you're the coolest person in the world. And it's a very short window. It's not a long window. How long do you think you have in that particular space or whatever? Five years, eight years. And so then you go from king to nothing very, very quickly. And what you're left with is maybe brain damage. You have money. You don't know how to manage it. Nobody really cares about you anymore. You kind of has been... If you're a warrior... Here's the other thing, too. If you identify with being a warrior, at some point you're no longer a warrior anymore. You got to kind of deal with that. So I feel for these people. I know. I feel for that. Can you imagine that climb and that descent? Very, very difficult. Well, I think that's what happens to some of these guys is they're now approaching their mid-40s or whatever. And it's like, who am I? If I'm not this fighter who fights everybody and punks and talks shit and gets into the ring and makes his 100,000s of dollars, like, who am I? And they still fight within them, right? And they want to prove, you know, no, I can still fuck people up. It's a tough one. Now, I mean, the other side of it, too, is, of course, is... And this is something that is... It's kind of a male thing is we tend to respect the old warriors quite a bit. The old, you know, there's always that level of respect. Like, you guys ever meet an old pro wrestler? And I say old, I say in their 50s and 60s. You ever meet one of them? They're all broken. Yeah. I forgot where I was. It was a pro wrestler. He was like 60. I mean, he had a cane, could barely move. But, you know, every guy in that room was just like, you know, he's the man. Like, you know, he basically sacrificed himself for this thing, you know, for the sport he demonstrated. So there's that side of it, too. Like gladiators, yeah. Yeah, but I feel bad. Like, you know, and I heard Chuck is in all totally with it. I forgot who I was listening to. I watched him do a full interview. Is he okay? Well, he's the same Chuck that he's always been. Oh, so he doesn't seem different? Yeah, he doesn't seem different to me. But he's never seemed like the sharpest tool in the shed in the first place. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't come off that way. So like when you listen, he just did it. He did an interview with, fuck what's that guy's name? He announced it like this. So I watched a full hour interview for him talking about this fight. I watched a full one on Tito. I watched Chell Sonnen talk about it in multiple podcasts of his, read some articles on it, watched Dana Wyatt comment on it. So I've consumed a bunch of information regarding like this whole thing as I was really fascinated by are these fucking guys going to really get together and fight at the end, you know, 40 something, 49 years old. I think that's just, and Chuck's been out for 10 years. Now Tito's only been out for a year. Tito fought a year and a half ago. Who did he fight? I don't know. He was fighting in Bellator. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say Chell was like still trying to make it work for a while too. So it's interesting that he, you know, give him shit for it. Chell, you know what? After diving into this, I've actually started listening to some of Chell's stuff. We gotta get him on the show. Chell? I love how he talked. We were in conversation with him about a year and a half ago. I remember that. We were small and I just haven't reached, it just fell to the side. Oh, I love him. Yeah, I'm gonna reach out again to him because I really like his commentary, dude. He's fucking funny. He's hilarious. He's actually really intelligent. He is. He's hilarious and he's very smart. Yeah, he's really smart. I was listening to him like break down the business side and how people are so stupid to even think that this is anything serious and the way he laid it out, I was like, oh, fuck, I didn't even know that. I didn't know this that he brought up to was that Oscar de la Hoya has already made a run at trying to do something in the USC before and it's failed. Really? He was behind affliction. When affliction started, when they were trying to, not the shirts, but when affliction started their own MMA company. MMA, do you remember that little short window when they were trying to pull from the USC? Yes. And it fell flat on its face that he was behind all that. And so that's kind of the deal is like, the whole idea is that Oscar is kind of poking back at Dana over all this and Dana's probably like, I don't give a shit. You've already tried to get into our space and I've already proven that I can get into your space and throw the biggest fight of the fucking year, you know what I'm saying? I wish there was a league. There was an organization for just grappling, but in a way where they made some rules to make it a little bit more exciting, I think that would be really cool and I think it would be a cool thing for... Have they tried that with Meta Morris? Yeah, you know, here's the thing with Jiu-Jitsu. It'll never work. It's so technical. Exactly. It'll never work because even the... Like it's right now, and I know you probably get annoyed by this and I do too because I appreciate the whole fight game and all of MMA, but you have to have an appreciation for what happens on the ground to enjoy that part of it. Because when you're in the arena, dudes will boo when people are down on the ground doing Jiu-Jitsu. Well, in America, in Japan, in Brazil, they don't because they have a long pedigree of grappling or submission fighting. Here's the thing. If you want to make a grappling tournament popular in America, you have to create rules that prevent jumping into the guard, scooting on your butt, laying on your back for a long time, and you have to be able to score high points for big throws because the most exciting part of grappling for Americans is a fucking throw, like a big-ass throw. So give them big points for that, hit the ground. They stay on the ground for so long. If it looks like they're stalling, stand them up and go for the throw again. And if you jump guard, you're out. Isn't that what's his face that's connected to on it, try to do by creating his own... Eddie Bravo? Yeah, Eddie Bravo. See, here's the problem. Jiu-Jitsu purists don't like that. And I know this. I get this because I did Jiu-Jitsu for a long time. A Jiu-Jitsu purist is like, look, just let the fight go whoever wins-wins. And there's no time limit and it's just pure submission. And I get that. I enjoy that type of fighting myself. It's just no spectators want to watch it. The throws are what's exciting. So you have to ask yourself, you have to ask yourself, is someone who's into Jiu-Jitsu, do you care about the sport progressing and growing and being bigger and actually making money doing this, or do you just love the game and you love to play? I want, the way I look at it is this. If you're a wrestler, okay, let's say you're, because America doesn't have a huge tradition of submission fighting. We had catch wrestling back in the day, but it wasn't like this huge national thing. You know, Judo was kind of popular, but not massive. Yeah, I was going to say, is it Judo the closest to that, right? Cause you get a lot of the hip toss. Yeah, but it's not. Yeah, it's Judo and Jiu-Jitsu came from, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu came from the same source. Judo's just got its own rules that made it kind of tournament style or whatever, but there's not a large like a culture and tradition behind that in America. The closest we have is American collegiate wrestling or Greco-Roman wrestling. But if you're, let's say you're a wrestler, let's say you're a collegiate wrestler and you're all American, one of the best in the world. After that, you're done. After college, like where do you go? Olympics, and then you're done. So I would love to see a league where wrestlers, grapplers, Jiu-Jitsu guys, Judo guys, they could enter and it's submission win, high points for a throw. You can't jump guard. You can't scoot on your butt. You only stay on the ground for a certain period of time and then the ref has to pop you up just to make it exciting. And I know it's not pure grappling. I know the Jiu-Jitsu people listening right now are like, ugh. But let me tell you, if you create a big league that's making a lot of money, it'll grow all those other sports. You know what I mean? It'll grow the sports of grappling. It's not a bad thing. And that's how you make it exciting. Otherwise, because even I watch it. You know what it reminds me? It's like when we dabbled in the whole kettlebell sport for a minute because we were like, this is really cool and we thought it was cool for a minute, but it's just not a very spectator-friendly sport. No, it's very, the people who are in it love it just like Jiu-Jitsu. And so it's always going to have that strong base. But for the average person, the average person walking in and watching a competition, they're like, what's going on? You know, I don't know what's happening. We have a pedigree of boxing in America. So people understand jabs and straights and knock someone out and they get that. Well, you don't even need to be a fan of the sport to really understand what's happening in a boxing match. You know what I'm saying? Like, one guy's hitting the other guy. Don't hit me. It's very obvious. Or hit me. Yeah, when he is or is not and it's basic work. But we'll even put up with technical boxing more than we would with technical wrestling. You know what I'm saying? Like, if boxers are boxing technically, Americans understand that or appreciate that more. Well, I don't know. I don't know if I fully agree with that. I mean, look how many people hate Mayweather because he's one of arguably the greatest technical fighter ever to fight. Yeah, but he lost a lot of favor when MMA came out because it was so fucking boring after a while. After like Lennox Lewis and everybody else were coming out and like, you know, just technical boxing was taken over. Yeah, but he's still, there's a, people understand it more. There's a much bigger audience for it. Well, yeah, technical grappling. Let me tell you something. People will be like, the fuck's going on right now. That's your injured jitsu. You have no idea. Especially when you're in at the fight. Like, because I've sat all over in a UFC fight. So I've sat really close, far away and like mid. And it's a really shitty thing to watch live. It really is. Like, I mean, sure, the energy in the place is cool. But when you talk about like my, some of my least favorite sports to watch live. Well, MMA is for sure. You need somebody like a Joe Rogan or something. Like taking down step by step. Oh, he's setting him up for this. Or you need that camera angle that is just right. So I can see where he's grabbing him and holding him or what he's setting up. Like, if you're in the audience, I don't care if you're fucking on the cage. You're still looking through a cage and you're on one side of it. If they're on the other side on the ground, you have no idea what's going on on their side. So what's dope about watching that on TV is they have camera angles from everywhere. So at all times I can see 360 around this athlete that all the little details. So it makes me enjoy the fight. Man, it's live. You know what you guys would like? Yeah, it is tough. You know it's a good sport, fun sport to watch is combat sombo. Combat sombo similar to MMA, but they score a lot of points for throws. And they wear a gi, but they also have the gloves on. So you can still punch and kick, but once you grab, you're not allowed to punch anymore and kick. And then if you throw... I love the kickboxing tournaments. I don't know why that hasn't taken off like here in the States, but I mean they've tried K1 a little bit. Like they've introduced it, but I think K1 is awesome. It's the culture, dude. We don't have a large, long pedigree of that kind of stuff. Well, and now that we have UFC, which arguably is the best of all the worlds, right? You can be a K1 guy, you can be a sombo guy, and you can enter in the UFC. And it'd be just the mix of different variables, you know, that makes it even more exciting. That's what they had to put new rules in to make MMA popular in America because MMA existed in Brazil and Japan for a long fucking time. It's called Valetudo in Brazil. That was too brutal. And in Japan, there were no gloves. It was too real, dude. Yeah, they had to make rules. I watched it as a kid when it was all underground. When it was... You had to get the cassettes. You guys had a 300-pound guy versus, you know, 100 and great. Did you guys ever watch Gracie in Action? The old Gracie in Action videos? Do you remember those? Yeah, dude. Oh, those were good. It was so fun watching him because he would. He would take on guys that had 50 pounds on him, dude. And he would just... He would tie him up like they were children. He used to be awesome. I still love watching that. I love watching that. Yeah, it was great, man. Anyway, so this weekend, what'd you guys do? We didn't really talk too much yesterday about what... Because we got back from... I know, we were recovering, yeah, from being up in Seattle and going on our trip and everything. Yeah, I had my daughter's communion on Saturday. That's right. Yeah. So was that like a foreshadowing, like, completely of like her wedding day? Well, yeah, first off, let me tell you, man, I get emotional with that kind of shit. That did. Seeing my little girl in a white dress, you know, walking over there and just being all sweet and whatever. It just... It destroyed me. I was... But here's the thing, though. Here's the thing about the whole event that I want to tell you guys about. This was the first family party that we've done where my ex-wife's family was there, her whole family, Aunt's uncles and cousins, and my family was all there. Oh, wow. Aunt's uncles and cousins, right? So both sides of the family got together first time since the divorce, where everybody got together. That is crazy. So we threw it at a restaurant in San Jose, Doppio Zero, a really good Italian restaurant in I think it's Cupertino. And we had everybody there. And my ex-wife had her boyfriend. I had Jessica there. So her family hadn't met Jessica. My family hadn't met her boyfriend. And it was fucking great. Everybody was cool. You know, I tell you, I'm going to write a book on divorce at some point. I swear to God. Not because I'm going to tell people how to do it, but because it's pretty substantial thing that happened. Well, my aunt came up to me during the party and she's been divorced now for 20 years. There's probably some good books on divorce. Yeah. So she's been divorced for about 20 years. And she's like, I'm so amazed at how you guys are able to do this together. She goes, me and my ex still barely talk to each other and can't stand each other and don't work together. And I couldn't imagine doing something like this. The fact that you guys can do this for your kids and me and my ex-wife grabbed a drink together. I was drinking with her boyfriend. She was hanging out with Jessica. The families were talking. Everybody was hugging, having a great time. And the best part is my kids get to see all that. My kids get to... They know mom and dad aren't together, but they also know that everybody's still together. Right. How awesome is it when he becomes friends with you and he calls and like vents to you all the time? You're like, I remember that. Actually, just do this, bro. Do this little maneuver. Dude, so... Oh, my God. No, I won't... You know what I'll say to him? You'll set him up. No, I'll say... You sabotage me, bro. Bro, I got no advice for you. Stick your tongue in her ear. I got no advice for you, dude. You're fucked. I figured my way out of that one. No, dude, so her boyfriend comes up to me and, you know, he's a nice guy. He's a really nice guy, so I'm not going to say anything bad about the guy, but, you know, he wants to make conversation with me and he probably feels awkward, obviously. And so he comes up to me, he wants to talk about working out. So we're talking about exercises. Like, yeah, he goes, I've been starting this new fitness program. It's really, really good. And he goes... It's made by shreds. No, no, no. He goes, I've been following his fitness program. He goes, it's Mike Matthews. Do you, have you heard of Mike Matthews? Are you serious? I swear on my life. Mike, come on. Oh, wow. So I'm like, I'm like, Mike, like, yeah, he's a good friend of mine. He's like, he is. He's like, yeah, dude, I'm like, yeah, he has a good workout program. Like, you know, you can do maps if you want. I'll hook you up or whatever. So he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm interested. Bro, if I put him on maps and he starts working out and getting built and telling my ex, that's going to be so funny, bro. I'm following your exercises program. Wow. How funny is that that he's doing Mike Matthews stuff? He is, yeah. That's a good program. Shout out to our, you don't know, shout out to our boy for sure. Yeah, so, but it was, it was, it was, it was really cool, man. Everybody had a good time and the kids had a great time and fuck man, I feel so, divorce is one of the, it's definitely the most, the darkest time of my life by far, by absolute far. I'm not over it. It's still very difficult to deal with sometimes, but the way that we've been able to put all that stuff, because here's what happens when you get divorced from someone, it's because you don't want to fucking be with them, obviously. You don't like them. You just don't. You don't want to be around them and that is hard. That is a hard thing for your ego to deal with when you then also have to work with them, because you have kids with them. They're basically in your life forever. My ex-wife and me are always going to be connected because we have two children together. So no matter what our differences were, no matter how bad it was or whatever, this is someone that I have to make the decision. I'm going to have to, I want to make this relationship as good as possible because, you know, we have to work together. You have to put a lot of shit aside to do that. It requires some serious maturity from both people. And so, I mean, I want to commend her because she's also been able to do the same thing. I mean, you know, imagine seeing your ex with another girl, another woman who's, you know, like Jessica. Jessica's a stunning young lady. That would invoke some serious, you know, insecurities in anybody. And me seeing her with another person, even though I don't want to be with her, you see the other guy and you think, you might think to yourself, you try to compare or whatever, and you know, and you remember all the animosity and resentment and all that shit. You just got to put that aside and just, you know, remember the, what's your line Adam, intended outcome or desired outcome? Yeah, desired outcome. Yeah, so it worked out. That's really cool. Yeah, it did. We hung out in Seattle. We stayed, we stayed an extra, well stayed the rest of the day and flew in back at like 9 p.m. at night. Did you guys do anything? Yeah. Well, I really wanted to be home, but I could tell that Katrina and Taylor wanted to stay. And so that kind of trumped my feelings. And what I mean by that is I just, I felt it was a good idea for me to kind of do something for them after everything that they had done to put it, because they're responsible for a lot of that event. The orchestra and the whole thing. Yeah, the whole tour thing is really, Taylor's baby and with the assistance of Katrina and help from her too. So, you know, I was like, I saw the weather was going to be good. And so we, when there was a flight going out really late, we'll just, we'll hang around here and we'll go shopping and eat and kind of spend the day with them. So I had a really good day with them. We walked the whole city all over the place and shopped for a little while. We ate at three different restaurants and, you know, just kind of hung out and kind of reflected on the whole event. It was a great event. It was, man. It really was. I was really, I was happy with every single one of them too. You know, again, thinking about Taylor, I mean, I know he was so stressed going into each one on like how it was. He could tell, man. Yeah. He was really stressing on how it was going to turn out and he put a lot of pressure on himself. And I think he fucking hit it out the park. He did a good job. Yeah, I thought it was. He did a good job. The relationships that we've now built with the companies like Viori and Mir and Dosis, I couldn't be happier. I mean, God, we all got a chance. We had been courting these companies for quite some time now, but to hang out with all the CEOs and then to cool people. Right, for us to bond on that level. All people I would hang out with if I didn't work with them. Yeah, no, I'm already texting back and forth with both Jeremy and Brian. You know, like there definitely are people and guys that we would hang out with outside of business. That really excites me about the companies and going forward. It is really cool to meet, you know, mind pump listeners in person. It's just, it's incredible to meet them because now you can put a face to, you know, the people listening to what you're doing. It puts a different responsibility on me personally when I meet them and they tell me, when you said this, this helped me out or this made an impact here or whatever. It puts a different responsibility, a different kind of, it's very extremely humbling. It's extremely humbling to be, you know, to be put in that position. My favorite part though was after the event when we all went to the bar afterwards with all the other listeners and had some drinks and stuff. And I brought you guys a nice double shot of Jack. How'd you like that one? The night changed after that. I saw Adam's face when I handed him the shot. So I was thinking about getting a shot, right, for everybody because I'm like, this would be fun and nobody expects me to do that, right? So I'm like, I'm gonna get the fucking, you know, I'm gonna get this thing going. So I told Katrina, I'm like, you think Adam will drink this if I get him a shot? And she's like, he won't say no if you say it in front of everybody. She's like, go get it and say it for everybody. He'll have to do it. So I did the look on your face. Dude, I was giving you like the daggers, dude. You're like, you motherfucker. I'm like, can you not tell I'm drunk? I mean, I had, why we were talking up there at Mir, I mean, I had three or four of their beers that are 7% alcohol. So, and I'm not a drinker. So that, I mean, that's like, that's like eight Coors lights, dude. Eight Coors lights would fuck me up right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a lot. So I was already tossed when we went out. And then I think we got the Moscow Mules while we went out. So that's a lot for me, you know, to be drinking that much. And then you come out with a double shot. And I was like, oh dude, you're just going to put me over. Now I tell you, You felt okay though. I'll tell you what. Because I took care of you, dude. Yes, dude. I'm not going to lie. The charcoal probiotic, ashwagande fucking concoction that you've got us on right now is, and Katrina's like, you know, you better stop with that shit because you keep drinking lately. I haven't seen you drink this much in our seven years we've been together. It lets you drink like you're 20. I woke up. That's not good. I woke up. You just tired, but no headache. Yes, that's exactly. I woke up and I was just tired. I was tired. I could have laid in bed probably for the good part of the late morning. But I did not, and after I ate and had some water, I actually felt great. We walked the whole city, shopped all day. You did the Organifi probiotics, right? Yeah. That's the thing, man. You do the probiotic. So here's the protocol. The protocol is you go one or two capsules of activated charcoal as you start drinking. And then if you keep drinking throughout the night, you'll throw in one or two throughout the night in between. So if you have like a few drinks, take another one or whatever. But then at the end of the night, before you go to bed, take your probiotics so you can balance out your gut microbiome and prevent yourself. Because part of the, I think a big part of the reason why drinking makes you feel so shitty is it fucks up your stomach. You know what I mean? Well, for me, I know that's what it is. Remember when I told you, when you introduced me to a Moscow Mule, that's the only thing that's even got me two drinks since then, because it's like... The ginger. Yeah, the ginger at least makes my stomach feel okay. Otherwise, if I just sit there and drink beers, oh dude, my stomach just feels tore up after a couple, man. I don't feel good at all. But ever since you introduced the charcoal and the probiotic recipe, dude, I'm like... Oh dude, this weekend, I was just trying to reset and calm and get some sleep and catch up. And so I was like making myself some ginger tea and just taking some of the turmeric that our granife has and I just would open up the capsules and pour it in. Oh yeah. And I don't know if that's a thing or not, but it totally helped lower my inflammation and everything. Yeah, so turmeric, the good thing about the Organify one is they put a little bioperin in it, which is black pepper extract, which helps your body utilizing assimilate it. And the other thing that you might want to try is add a fat to it, because it's curcumin's fat soluble, so it'll help your body absorb it. To absorb it better. But yeah, ginger and turmeric are great. Yeah, do that with some lemon. Oh yeah. That was a good comment. Oh, it's such a good anti-inflammatory. I'm telling you right now, it's a game changer for me. I'm doing four to eight capsules of the turmeric every single day and I feel just great increases in mobility and energy. Inflammation fucks up your mind. People don't realize how runaway inflammation, because I can get that runaway inflammation because I always have gut issues. Exactly. It's crazy. Yeah, you can't think straight or whatever. I had that the next day. I was getting on the plane and I was just, man, I was just in a different place, you know, just trying to think. Like a zombie getting on the plane. I remember trying to figure out where we're going. It was brutal. Left me and Justin alone with it. Dude, speaking of Seattle, so I need to make a correction. In a previous episode, I said that the Seattle head tax that they were trying to implement on Amazon, the reason why Amazon stopped building, which by the way, we saw a discussion with somebody about that. Yes, and I looked it up. So we saw the crane. Was it my cousin that called you out on it? No, no, no. It was, God, I'm sorry. I forgot your name, dude. He's a 40-year-old dude, fucking great guy. He's the guy that said, he remember he asked the question, he said he's a recovering fat ass. Yeah, I love that. I'm so funny. Forgot your name, brother, but fucking loved you. You had great conversation with that guy. But anyway, he corrected me. So I said it was something like $47 a head. No, they were proposing $275 head tax on employees. $275. What does that look like? Why? Calculate that out. Dude, that's tens of millions of dollars. It's insane how much that would cost. But check this out. So I did some more research. The second highest head tax in the country is 50. So Seattle, by far, is fucking people more than other cities are. And the person spearheading this, by the way, can't remember her name. It's a lady. She's in the Seattle government. She's a new socialist. That's actually what she calls herself. Can't believe we elect people that say that. Whatever. Seattle. What the fuck are you thinking? But anyway, and she was saying, quote, I wish we could, we should be able to charge three times as much. That we should do. But anyway, there's obviously people who don't understand economics. Oh my God. Because they have more money. Is that why? It's so, they're so insane. So check out here. Here's some statistics for you. Seattle over the last five years, has increased their budget by 32% already. So over 32% more money coming in, but they, of course, they need more because this is what happens when you give money to government. Here's the thing with government that really, that people need to understand. They are the most, it is the most inefficient way to do anything ever because the people doing whatever, don't bear the cost of fucking up. So there isn't that feedback with the market. They're working with other people's money. And there's always cronyism involved. There's always people getting money to, for example, if they're going to build a new freeway, it'll cost 10 times as much than if you do a private company through a market system because there's probably somebody who voted for them or whatever is going to help them out. So they're going to give them a shit ton of money to do a job. It's just extremely inefficient. So here's an example. There's a charity in Seattle that helps the homeless people. And one of the reasons why they said they're raising this or creating this head tax is to create shelters for homeless people. So there is a charity in Seattle that does this called Mary's Place. And they spend about $8 million a year to have 700 shelter beds for homeless people. Seattle government is raising $50 million. And out of those $50 million, they're going to provide about 300 beds. So do the math. Yes. No. These are real numbers. It does add up when you realize how massively inefficient and wasteful government is. No, I know. It's like way too much money. $50 million for roughly 300 or so beds versus Mary's Place, which is a charity, $8 million for 700 shelter beds, just to show you the difference. Here's another example. Shelter beds they got. Handcrafted Shadam and Will's fucking bed. What the fuck are they doing over there? Do you think that money goes to sleep number? You know fucking a thousand. You think that money goes all, you know, completely goes to help homeless people? No. There's a lot of people getting their cut and it's a, it's just inefficient. A charity has to figure out how to spend their money. Right. Because if they don't charity goes out of business. Right. Government just fucking here's what happens. Here's what happens. Let's say they raise $50 million. Let's say they pass this head tax and Amazon bites the bullet and say fuck it. We'll stay here and we'll pay you guys. And then let's say the, you know, that they run their program. They're like, we only have 300 beds. There's way more homeless people. They ask for more money. Now if a charity does it and they fuck up, they tend to not get money because people look and say, you guys, you guys suck. You're not doing a good job. Right. This is the big difference. Here's another good example. I looked this up alongside this just to illustrate how inefficient government is. Remember the old Obamacare Affordable Care Act website that crashed like a billion times and still sucks ass. How much was it like 300 million or something? So far it's cost between estimated between two to five billion wait, wait, wait, stop. Dude, that hurts my soul. Website for a website? To administer the, you know, to do the healthcare, you know, dealing or whatever. So far it's cost because it's crashed- Dude, give that to Elon Musk. You know, like, give him that money. Bro, how, what do you think, we live in Silicon Valley. I bet you I could get a few engineers together to create a national website to do something like this for, yeah, 100 million dollars. No, probably less. Way less. 15 million, 10 million. Yeah. Can you believe that shit? One million. I've never met anybody who builds a website for more than a million dollars. You can do it for like 50 grand, dude. I swear to God. Can you believe that shit? That's how inefficient and ridiculous and insane- That's the shit that makes me really angry, dude. That's one of the main reasons why you don't, don't give him your, your, like, this is why you don't want your government to do shit for you. If it's something that's important, then you'll pay for it yourself. Then people will pay for it. If it's not important, people will pay for it. Let us determine that. That's it. That's the bottom line. You know, charities do a pretty damn good job when there's not a lot of red tape and freakin' barriers to, to helping people. I've told you about all the laws and cities that prevent regular people like us from feeding homeless people. Like if us, if we wanted to, let's say we got a deal with Pizza Hut and they were mind pump fans, we're like, hey, we want to help the homeless people. And they said, no problem. We'll donate you 500 pizzas. And we went out and we just started, you know, putting this together. We would get ticketed and we'd have to throw the pizza away. Yeah. Because there's laws against that. Right. It's, it's absolutely insane. It's stupidity. Along those lines, I'm going to read you guys some statistics for, uh, you guys, have you guys, did you guys watch the Royal Wedding? I didn't watch it. Right. No. I'm glad. You had to be up like at four o'clock in the morning or something like that. Stupid. It's so dumb. So the wedding, Oh, I saw you. So the wedding, 33 million dollars, $8 million on security, $50,000 for the cake, $90,000 for the trumpets, $300,000. This is all paid by taxpayers there. Right. Covered mostly by taxpayers. Ouch. That's a fucking way to waste of fucking steep. Dude. So I did an Instagram story on this. Right. And I posted that because I think it's insane. And there's a couple English people who took offense to it. Right. And they messaged me and they're like, they're like the Royal family brings in more money than it costs taxpayers and blah, blah, blah. And I said, you're missing the point, dude. You don't have a choice. They're taking your money by force. Yeah. And then paying for a wedding. You know what this illustrates? I want the government to pay for my wedding. What the hell? You know what this illustrates to me is that there's like this weird innate desire that humans have to be ruled over or to worship people. We do it. We do it with celebrities. This is the one problem. It's weird. This is the one problem that I have with your argument with free market is that, and this is the argument I believe, the only argument against it, in my opinion, is that it won't work because people want to be led. People want to be told what to do. People want to be good. They want to be in the passenger seat. They don't want to think for themselves. A big majority. Now, there's those that are listening right now and say they disagree. Well, yeah, there's exceptions to the rule, but a large majority of the population are okay with being lemmings. They're okay with just fine. That is what is a lot bigger than we would think. Yeah. I still think people want that, but I think that they'll, it'll be voluntary and not forced. Like, okay, here's the deal. Here's the bottom line. Is it really forced, though, if they're, again, the people that defended this? Oh, that's called cognitive dissonance is what it is. Right. But maybe they do. Look, here's the deal. Maybe you want to pay for a royal wedding. In which case, go pay. Go donate. There's nothing wrong. Look, here's the deal. People who say they love paying taxes and that they want to and they need to and it's great enough, I don't see any of them paying over taxes. I don't think it's that. I think people don't want to think about any of it. I don't want to say, I don't want a royal wedding. I want to go give to it. No more than they want to just not have to deal with it. It's just that if some of my money goes there, some of my money goes there and I have roads to drive on. I have a pool. Everything's taken care of. Yeah. Whatever. They don't want to think about it. Even if it's inefficient, even if it's robbing them in a sense, they're okay with it. That's the scary part. I think we're okay with things that we're born into and that we don't take for granted. So what I mean, so let me give you an example. We were born into a society where shoes and clothes were always provided to us by the government. Okay. Let's say somebody a long time ago, let's say a hundred years ago, the government said, hey, clothing is essential. It's a human right to be able to have clothing to protect yourself from the elements. And I could make that argument, right? I can make that argument and make it sound good. Although that's not what a right is because it requires someone else's labor and someone else's product, which you don't have a right to someone else's stuff. But I could make that argument and people maybe would buy into it. And let's say you were born into a society where you never had to buy shoes or clothes. They were always provided to you and you had them all the time. Now, if I said to somebody, hey, it's way, this is super inefficient. It's costing a lot of money. Your clothes suck because we know what clothes would look like and feel like if the government provided them. They suck. They're expensive. They don't work. Less people have clothes than if we had a free market system. People would argue it and they'd say, no, we need. If we don't have government doing it for us, then we would have no clothes. How do we survive? How would we survive? And that's the problem. Look at food. Food is essential for life. We need to have food to survive. It's heavily regulated though. Well, it's regulated but it's still way more free than the government providing all the food. You see what I'm saying? Same thing with clothes. Today in wealthy societies, like we have more clothes than we know what to do with. We throw more clothes away. You could actually probably buy a t-shirt somewhere for under $5. I bet you could find a t-shirt somewhere for $0.99 because markets are extremely efficient. It's how you allocate resources better than anything that we've ever discovered in human history. So the argument that things wouldn't happen because government didn't do them, mainly comes from the fact that government's always done certain things. I don't even know if the argument is that it wouldn't happen. It's more that it may be less efficient because not enough people would step up to what we need to do. There would still be the survival of the fittest. There would still be the people that appreciate the free market and say, you know what, I don't need government to tell me where my money goes. I'm fucking sufficient enough to figure out how to provide for me and my family and those people would survive and then you would still would have a large part of the population that would be fucking aimlessly walking around because they literally don't get it and they really don't want to put the effort in because they're fucking lazy. And a lot of people say that but you know what's interesting is that the science and statistics actually are counter that. So people who donate the most and do the most for other people tend to be the ones that are the free market supporters and who make... So when people make a lot of money, they give a lot more. When government doesn't take a lot of it, people tend to give a lot more. Charities do a lot. When government steps up and does more, charities tend to... It's competition, really. You're competing. If I'm paying 50% of my paycheck to taxes, I'm gonna give less to charities start to tend to disappear. And charities do a better job typically because they're closer to the people that they're serving and there's that feedback, right? If a charity does a bad job, they get... Well, what's interesting now is that we are so connected that I could see a free market society actually working because of how connected we are, right? In the past though, I don't know. I would argue that it may be really challenging to do that because there would be... Do you know how many... Well, I think as far as the leader is concerned, you know how government provides this sort of safety net, this blanket. A lot of people tend to lean on, whereas if it were a more free market, there's gonna be leaders that exist in certain companies or certain directions. They're gonna pull people in based off of their message. So it gives them direction that way. I think so. Look, in Seattle, for example, there are people right now who are trying hard. They're going through government. They're lobbying government. They're going through all these challenges to try and get these things approved to build dorm room-style housing for homeless people. Private individuals. People who are like, I will fund it. I will pay for it. And the city's saying, no, we're not gonna let you do that. There's people who are trying to do that right now. There was that one guy that we saw who built a bunch himself. Oh, the little molecule homes? Yeah. For homeless people, and the city collected them all and demolished them. Yeah, it's so ridiculous. You know what I'm saying? So it's crazy. First of all, I mean, again, an entity tries to keep itself around through its own survival. And in government is like that. And if you work for the government and you're in the homeless organization or whatever part of your local government, you're gonna try and make sure that your job is needed. And you don't want anybody doing a better job than you. It's just the bottom line. It's the nature of the beast. But it's extremely inefficient. It just doesn't fucking work well. And Seattle's making a great example of how idiotic it can absolutely be. I mean, look at California. I'm looking at, you know, the cost of housing in California is insane, especially in certain areas like the Bay Area. It's just so expensive. Part of it's the demand. A lot of people make a lot of money here. A lot of people come and try and live here because there's a lot of work. But another big part of it is, do you know how hard it is to develop housing here because of the regulations and laws? They keep the supply low and it ramps up the cost of making these houses. And I'm sure there's people making money on the other end of this fucked up situation. Was it you that I was, who was talking about how they're going to, they're going to freeze the building in the Bay Area? Not freeze it, but the regulations are so, are going to be pretty fucking nasty till about 2025. So it's an artificial shortage of housing, you know? And it's just, anyway, just stuff like that pisses me off. And here's the other thing, the other end of it. There's a moral issue here with taxes. Like again, if I go up to someone and I ask them to give me money for something and they give it to me, there's nothing wrong with that. It's all voluntary exchange. They give me their money, they believe in what they're doing, whatever, and they trust me. But if I go up to someone and say, give me your money and they say, no, it doesn't matter what the reason is for me to want that money. I can say, hey, I want your money so I can go help homeless people, or I want your money so I can go to war, or I want your money so I can fix up this road. If that person says no, and then I tell them, well, you either give me your money or I'm going to throw you in a cage. I'm going to point a gun at you and you better get, now I'm stealing from them. And this is my problem with taxes and especially when it pays for shit like a fucking wedding, you know what I'm saying? So if the royal family's really making more money than they're spending and tax money, which I don't believe because those statistics come from the UK government themselves, but let's say that's the case. Fine, get no more money from taxes and they should be able to fucking earn their own money and let's see what happens. I bet you they go, I bet you what they would end up doing, they turn into, they try to make money like celebrities do is what they would end up doing. And would people pay them? Maybe, but it wouldn't be like this, this is crazy. Think about that. This clause brought to you by Organifi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge. Try Organifi, totally risk free for 60 days by going to Organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. First question is from JGfitMe. My trainer says that if I'm not intending on powerlifting it doesn't matter that my squat is not as to grass. How can I convince him it should be at least what we're aiming for? I've heard people make that argument before. Like there's no need to squat so low unless you aim, you know, unless your goal is to compete in a competition that requires you to. I get that. I get the sentiment. I get why they would say that. Or have you ever planned on sitting down? Maybe that. Here's the question that I would pose back to your trainer. If I gain the mobility and stability and control to squat all the way down and I do start to squat all the way down will I develop more muscle and more strength as a result? And the answer, if they're a smart trainer and they know what they're talking about is yes. The answer is yes. If you train with a greater and studies have been done on this if you train with a greater range of motion and I have to preface this you have to have good mechanics good control and stability. So going all the way down when your stability and your balance and your strength only allows you to go down with good form to parallel going down all the way then is a bad thing. Now you're gonna hurt yourself. But if you can do so with good control and good stability then do so. If you can't the goal should be to be able to increase your range of motion that should be your goal. Listen at the end of the day too you don't necessarily need your trainer to do this with you. I mean this is why we created Maps Prime and Prime Pro was so that people could use this as a tool that they can compliment your trainer. Your trainer can still take you through your routine you don't need your trainer to tell you hey take your ass to grass like you can squat down ass to grass when you start to improve upon your mobility and so really most of that work is done at home you don't need to go to the gym to do that you don't need a trainer to take you through that you've got a video tutorial on the Prime and Prime Pro that you can watch and then you can do those movements instead of getting in a debate with a trainer that probably feels insecure about teaching you how to go ass to grass just because they can't because I was that trainer I'll be the first to admit that you know I wasn't teaching clients to drop down ass to grass we were taught not to we were taught to stop at 90 degrees and the reason why certifications teach trainers to teach their clients to stop at 90 degrees is for safety reasons because 90% of the population that is above the age of 30 is going to have all kinds of dysfunction in their squat when they drop down below 90 degrees that's because most people don't sit any lower than a toilet seat or a chair or a car even squat down to do it they just flop down do you want to limit your abilities it's just interesting to me that they still feel that way as far as going lower in your squat and that being a detriment literally your body is able to do a lot of ranges of motion that you're not expressing it ever there has to be emphasis on learning that and really getting to the point of controlling your body to get to that level but Adam makes a good point it's not something you necessarily have to do with a trainer at the gym it's as simple as creating that ritual and what that looks like you have to know specifically how to do that incrementally but it's going to take a lot of patterning, a lot of time and it's not a sexy thing to work on so definitely something awesome you can work at at home so that way later on who doesn't want the ability to get lower and pick things up when you lose that kind of mobility and you lose that kind of function if you lose it, it's gone think about it this way so the types of adaptation the way your body improves based on exercise is quite specific so if I squat down to 90 degrees only not all, but most of the benefits that I'll get, most of the strength that I'll get, most of the mobility all that whatever is limited to the range of motion that I train with him and I don't need to argue that I think most trainers know that and understand that so if I always squat to parallel I'll get really good at squatting to parallel and if I move outside of parallel there's a little bit of carry over but not a whole lot so that means that when I go below parallel shit starts to break down this is why you can take someone who can squat 400lbs down to parallel and they won't be able to squat all the way down with 300lbs like 100lb difference they won't be able to squat all the way down in fact they might not even be able to do so with 250 depending on the individual and as they get older it gets worse now keep this in mind here's another phrase that we've all heard before if you don't use it you lose it if you don't train your body gets rid of it gets rid of range of motion that it doesn't think are necessary or doesn't think are valuable because it's a waste of resources it's a waste of resources for your body to maintain strength and stability in movement and range of motion that you never use your body is always trying to be efficient because your body is the result of thousands of years of evolution where food was scarce it didn't make sense to waste calories maintaining things that you never used same thing with your brain like your brain prunes itself to become more efficient based on how you use your brain and the types of things you think about so my point is this if you only train to 90 degrees outside of 90 degrees not only will not get the benefit of training to not get the benefit of training but it also may get worse over time so now as you get older you're only squatting to parallel you're getting worse and worse function outside of that range of motion that you always train and so you actually start to get as you age you start to lose mobility and you start to lose it in the areas that you might need it the most so not a smart idea and if you can't train in those range of motion ranges of motion if your mobility doesn't allow you to and if you don't have good control that's okay but the goal should be to be able to I want to get the back of the trainer here just in case that is a smart trainer there is the possibility that you know your trainer is stopping you at 90 degrees because he or she sees the breakdown in your form when you go beyond that and so that doesn't that means you probably have a pretty good trainer too that's keeping it like it would be worse if he was allowing you to go ash the grass or just allowing you if you're sitting there saying like I listen to mind-pumping they encourage full range of motion ash the grass type of squatting and you're having this conversation with him and he's saying no when you go below 90 your form breaks down and so he's keeping you at 90 degrees I think that's a better choice that he's doing that or she's doing that than allowing you to dictate you going all the way down when they're looking at your mechanics and they see that it's off now that being said if you're coming to him or her and saying should we not work on that range of motion or shouldn't I work towards that yes you're right you should work towards that that should be implemented into your programming whether he or she is taking you through that or prescribing movements for you to do on it now I look at it this way obviously you have enough money to afford a personal trainer not a lot of people have that luxury so I know you're spending somewhere between $50 to $150 an hour just to see them I mean instead of buying 20, 30, 50 sessions by one less session with them and invest in Prime or Prime Pro or the bundle and now you have all the tools that you need to get yourself to squat down as low as possible and it doesn't even require your trainer and or you then can take that to them and show them like hey can we implement these into my routine and or you this becomes your which would be ideal in my opinion if you have a 5 o'clock appointment with your trainer you get to the gym at 4.30 and you put in the necessary work to continue to work on your mobility so that when you go into your session with your trainer your body is primed hence the word Prime and Prime Pro this is where it's from it's primed and ready to squat with your trainer yeah absolutely and you know it's funny I was watching a video on Instagram of I don't remember the guy's name it was pro bodybuilder doing barbell squats and it's all it's almost always painful to watch you ever watch pro bodybuilders do barbell squats it's terrible mechanics because they never now they've got lots of muscle lots of strong muscles that don't work well in unison for some of these movements because they never they never train them and so you watch these squats and I'm looking at them and they're squatting with four plates which is a lot of weight but not necessarily for a 270 pound shredded you know righted out bodybuilder and you're watching the form I'm like oh my god that looks horrible you can train muscles and develop muscles and have terrible you know terrible control over movement you want to have both but besides all that let's say your goal is just to look better you just want to look better again does the does a fuller range of motion with good control contribute to better faster results than a shorter range of motion yes it does and so even if your goal is aesthetic you should train yourself to be able to get larger longer ranges of motion with control that will only benefit you regardless of what your goals are next question is from snack attack blog you Justin yeah I like snacks I am very active and eat keto and paleo with a bit of dairy and ate myself into an egg intolerance about six months ago by eating them too frequently after six months off I just tried eggs again and it wasn't pretty so I'm assuming I just can't have them anymore what is the likelihood that I'll have a similar reaction again to another food that I eat frequently like coconut oil or ghee or was I just predisposed to an egg allergy you know so it's funny this question was up on our page and there's some guy that was like answering everybody's questions you guys see this guy? yeah he was trying to answer all the questions he went through and I was like I was actually going to DM him and be like hey man thanks making our job easy he had a few of them that were a little off though so I was like okay you can't be coming in like you're a mind pump person and answering questions if you're not legitimately doing the work in and learning bro yeah so he was saying he tried to say that eating a food frequently doesn't create an intolerance which is partially correct it's not that you're eating the food a lot that's causing the intolerance it's that you're an inflamed situation and you're over consuming so it potentially could be anything right it can be so what happens is when you have an inflamed gut and it can be mild inflammation so it could take a long time or it could be a really bad inflammation in which case you could develop a food intolerance very quickly when you have this intolerance food particles proteins get through the gut where they're not supposed to because the gut is this it's this semi permeable membrane between that separates you from the outside world now we don't think of it that way because it's inside our body but it's literally a tube if you think about it a tube that connects your mouth to your butt hole that goes through your body that is not inside your body in order to get inside your body you have to travel through the membrane and get absorbed within the body so it's like it's like your skin like your skin separates you from the outside world to a certain extent so does your gut and the gut is very intelligent and it decides when to allow things in and when not to allow things in and what is toxic and what isn't toxic and all that stuff what happens when it's inflamed though just like if you had inflamed skin the cells get separated and things get through when they're not supposed to and when that happens the body starts to identify these things as invaders and when your body thinks something is invading it it mounts an immune response and then when it mounts an immune response the immune system has a memory this is why when you get chicken pox once you don't get it again typically because your immune system remembers it's actually quite brilliant right it's an incredible feat of evolution or design whichever camp you're in but the immune system remembers so that you get the chicken pox virus again immune system sees it right away kills it and you don't get infected so this is what it's doing to the foods that you eat when you're inflamed and what you eat the most of tends to create the strongest immune response so you're eating lots of eggs you're inflamed and when your immune system thinks egg protein is a foreign invader so now when you eat it you get diarrhea or constipation or skin issues or you just feel shitty because an immune response creates a systemic inflammation which then just doesn't feel good and it can result in a lot of different types of symptoms so it's really the combination of the two that's the problem now there are foods that you tend to create intolerances to a little easier and egg tends to be one of them egg whites in particular contain antibodies they're actually there to protect the yolk and when you cook them you destroy a lot of them but some of them are still in there and so it's just for whatever reason eggs and dairy and gluten and nuts tend to be more immunologic or whatever where your body has a higher likelihood of recognizing those or thinking that those are are foreign invaders but can you get another food intolerance absolutely if you don't solve this inflammation that you have and you eat a lot of I had a client once who they came to me years ago it was like maybe I don't know seven years ago and we couldn't figure out the cause of her she had psoriasis and what's the other skin one eczema she had some eczema on her elbows and the creases of her elbows and stuff and we couldn't really figure it out and we cut out all these foods and it got a little better but it didn't go completely away so we did some testing where they test for IgG antibodies and she did several of them and we realized we found out that she had intolerance to bananas I mean it sounded like such a food that's like so nobody should have a problem with but she eats bananas, she eats banana almost every single day and so she just developed an intolerance to bananas and she removed them, the eczema went away and so you can do that with almost any food that you eat a lot in the context of a lot of inflammation this is why I think dairy and tolerances in the fitness community are fucking high I don't know anybody I know very few people who are you think this is all the way protein is that? yeah dude I don't know very many like and just consume a shit ton of it and on top of it consuming it post-workout when you're already more inflamed and then it's predigested so you absorb it faster which makes it easier to go through your body and get because honestly think of all the people you know in their mid 30s who've been training for a long time that are cool with dairy and I can have a lot not a whole lot maybe even you man I'm good with dairy we're friends seems like you have a love-hate relationship yeah well dude you don't even eat gluten anymore no I don't that was the one that I was able to identify after doing this elimination process and I think anybody should go through that process just to learn more about their own body and how they respond if it is things you've been eating constantly and I joke about the dairy thing but I definitely eliminated it for a while reintroduced it and was expecting that I was going to have some fucked up reaction and be depressed because I do eat it a lot you got that northern European genes you guys tend to do better somehow I do okay with it still but gluten was a problem and so that's just one of those it just makes me feel better but I'm careful with it too because it talks a lot about the psychological aspects of it I don't want to demonize it too much to where I can't ever reintroduce it and not be flexible ever again just knowing that oh I'm consuming it just the thought process that goes on with that identifies it as this is going to be a problem maybe I'm actually producing that problem I feel like I can handle certain amounts of it and then I go over because of my ice cream abuse for so long like I could not if I were to say ice cream abuse you're like AA meeting well let's be honest the ice cream comes up later if I bitch I was stupid fucking rocky road I mean I was eating a pint of fucking Ben & Jerry's for at least two or three years there and before that I just picture you sitting on the couch slapping slapping cones watching my favorite Netflix show or whatever it was before Netflix but yeah I definitely so now I can no longer eat anywhere near that amount or I pay for and trust me I've definitely tested it a few times on birthday parties like that cake and ice cream sounds so good but what I've noticed I can do I can totally have cheese I can have a glass of milk I can do dairy in small amounts I can't afford a 1500 calorie bomb of dairy in me or else it tears me up so as long as I have do it in moderation it's totally fine I do notice I have some sort of a reaction when I go overboard so Justin what would you what do you notice now when you eat gluten is it right away it is almost like immediate it's crazy yeah it's frustrating because like I mean I still have moments where I want to live and like just do things like I would do like so for instance my kids I took them to go see the infinity wars and before that like they actually have like food within the movie theater but I was like oh gross it's terrible food there or whatever if I'm going to eat terrible food I might as well go next door which is this like pizza place and was like well do they have any gluten free because I was like fuck it they some have like this dough now that doesn't have gluten and so I looked they didn't have it and I was like you know whatever I'm gonna be okay like I'm just gonna like mentally be in a space where I'm like I'll just eat it and like have good time with them goes and so I ate it and almost within like five minutes or whatever I just like my stomach was turning over like like acid was already coming up and it was it was just like I hadn't had that those same feelings for like months because you got rid of it yeah so and it was just frustrating but at the same time was very good to know you know like that I still have that kind of a reaction and now the association is so much like pinpointed that like when I when things used to happen like that I just think oh shit I need some tums you know and I just would like not even think how what I ate you know how crazy is that that you can live for so long because I did the same thing with you know some of my issues like you can live so long and just think like oh this is just how I am and not realize that there's one specific thing you're doing that's causing the problem like not even realize it like my poor girlfriend right she very healthy we leave a very healthy lifestyle but every once in a while she would get like acne right and she would get like cystic acne parts of her face into what hurt and she'd get so frustrated and so angry and we're trying to figure out what it was like she's a healthy diet it's always the shit you don't want to let go that's true it's never true that's why you know people are listening there's like oh I'm fine it's like that's because you're mindlessly eating certain things that you don't want to let go and there's I think that there's things that you subconsciously pretend like it can't be that happy that because I like everything much of my body except it's so well you think bro Jessica is like she worships chocolate like chocolate is like her favorite thing in the world she'll say that like she hasn't she says it's a spiritual thing for her she loves it and I would just like just with his cheese over there I remember I remember telling her to I remember specifically telling her at one point like you think maybe the chocolate is no no no I've been eating chocolate for years it can't be the chocolate I'm like are you sure now I can't now chocolate's a it's a being you know I mean it's a food it can cause intolerances or whatever so she did this and it was for Lent because my kids you know we're like oh we're gonna do this that for Lent so she's like okay I'll do it with you I'm not I'm gonna give up you know something I think it might have been one of the kids is like what about chocolate and she thought about it and she's like I don't know she said okay I'll do that so she gave up chocolate and her skin totally cleared up and and we were talking about this and I'm like do you think maybe the chocolate was giving you acne she's like oh please God I hope not like I hope that's and it started she started to realize that it might be that well guess what and it's the chocolate for she's tested it several times now where she'll eat some chocolate boom she'll break out she's like fuck so now she doesn't eat chocolate like she used to but it's crazy how you you'll you'll have all these things and you'll it's almost like you'll either will either are subconsciously or whatever like you said you just take tums every day they don't even think twice about it just do it yeah next question is from pass that Versace yeah and that's Adam pass it over here if you could reprogram the fitness health and wellness industry what would that look like for each of you reprogram it you know make like change it change the whole industry well we're trying aren't we trying to do that right now here's the thing though like if I were to reprogram it you know back 15 years ago it would it would not it would blow up in our face and we wouldn't have a business today right it's because of how fucked up it is that it allows us to move into the space and created it like thank you you know it is it really is so I think you have to be careful when I had to be careful when I say like how would I reprogram this I mean I hope that we're and I don't think we're the only ones but I do think that mine pump is an example of a major force that's trying to move the industry in the the right direction and you know we spoke at a mastermind group Vince Del Monte not that long ago and one of the things that we were talking about was you know times are changing right now with how people make money in this space and it used to be this old model of you know you because you could post fake shit on instagram and get all these followers and then you sell them supplements and you know more and more people are calling bullshit on this and so and more and more people are realizing a lot of these insta celebrities are insecure and bullshitting and so I think that we are moving in an era of you know being honest and and sharing insecurities and things like that and you know I think when you look at the the the most well-known people in the space most of us have had or have some of the biggest insecurities it's what drove us to look so good and so I think that more people more people coming out and being honest about that and sharing that because there's a lot of these you know fitness celebrities that people idolize and they think their lives are so perfect and if they really understood how dysfunctional most of them are and how fucked up they all are that they may not want what they have but right now we still kind of are in that area where half the people are still following these people thinking that they have this amazing life that they want because they post the flashy cars and they show the cool trips and the flying and they look badass on all their pictures so they think they carry themselves at 7% body fat year-round and but I think that's changing no I think I think you're right on the honesty front of us to reprogram it because it's not that I condemn people for wanting to go extreme you know like I don't I was into sports you know I don't really like express that fact alone that that like sports to me is a fucking like it's a it's a proving ground it's a challenge it's will over you know adversity it's like so many things to me and it's not fucking healthy to always be in that space no not at all it's another extreme yeah but that's you know this is the whole optimizing adapting kind of sequence right so just being honest that I'm not being super healthy for my body right now long term I'm not selling it that way right you know like or I'm looking a certain way right now because I know it's super attractive and people like that I look like like cosmetically you know like on another level than everybody else like I look that way right now and I know that like my health is probably deteriorating on the inside I think that's a excellent point right there Justin is that I think there's nothing wrong with being a bodybuilder and there's nothing wrong with competing I think there's nothing wrong with being hardcore into sports and training as long as if you're somebody who's out there and you're marketing yourself or you're selling programs or you're selling this like where who you are which is being transparent with it is like listen like I I can be a competitor and I can I don't have kids I don't have a wife I don't have thing other responsibilities in my life so I can be 100% selfish and and and about myself and the way I want to look but not not portraying it as I'm living this healthy lifestyle because again not only are we talking about health as long as far as nutrition training stress but also the other part how about relationships and and not being completely narcissistic and and having a social awareness is along with a self-awareness like there's other parts of of health and I think that that doesn't get addressed when we look at these people that do these incredible feats performance wise like Justin saying and then also aesthetically right like we see the bodybuilder side of the business so and then we can lump CrossFit into that too you know you have these CrossFit athletes that train at these extreme levels that are in insane that people are looking up to and aspiring to be like and it's like well if you only knew how out of whack a lot of these fucking people really are with all the other aspects of their life you may not idolize them the same way and I think there's nothing wrong again with building a business and being transparent with that I think you could come out I mean I believe that I tried to do that I think that's what gained me a lot of traction when I was first competing was saying to people that listen I'm going to do this knowing damn well you were very honest yeah knowing damn well it is not the answer or I'm not admitting or saying that this is a healthy way for people to live I'm showing those that may be interested in this space and sport like this is the way to do it this is the healthiest way that I can do it but knowing that it's not ideal here here's the here's the scary or non comforting truth the truth that nobody wants to understand in free societies markets are reflections of us that's 100% I'm going to read a quote right now from one of my favorite economist of all time Thomas Sowell Milton Friedman's and this quote he's talking about politicians but it applies to all markets including the health fitness and wellness industry he says the fact that so many successful politicians are such shameless liars is not only a reflection on them it is also a reflection on us when the people want the impossible only liars can satisfy now what do people want in fitness and health they want to be in shape yesterday they want to be fit yesterday they want it to be easy as fuck they don't want to deal with the growth and the challenge and the change in behaviors they don't want to deal with the responsibility that is that they are their lifestyle and their behaviors are the reason why they look the way they do and they feel the way they do nobody wants to deal with that we want to blame everybody so you know part of what we do here at mind pump is shine a light on the industry to apply social pressures on them so they can claim some responsibility and change as well however that will not work at all at all if the consumer doesn't demand it as well and what we're literally trying to do literally this is a hundred percent we're trying to do we're trying to sell the consumer on why they need to put pressure on the industry we're trying to explain to them this is what you really want now make sure this is what you look for if you're going to follow people follow people who provide good information if you're going to buy a product make sure it comes from organizations that are responsible organizations that actually care about things that should be cared about if you are going to work out make sure you buy programs that are program well that train you properly don't promise false things because you're the one that drives this whole thing so when I look at the fitness industry and I'm disgusted by it like I am most of time I realize that I'm part of the problem I bought all that shit for decades I bought all the products I followed I paid for the magazines I followed the people that you know that lied or whatever so the reality is if I could reprogram the industry I don't like to think that way because I'm not a king I'm not going to control their response to the market dude hundred percent we are market wants to quick fix the market wants to be so back to my point earlier today they're giving you they are people want to be lemmings that's right they're giving us exactly what we want now what do we see now with the market we're now seeing companies like thrive market for example who is donating some X amount of free memberships to to low income families every time they get a membership you know we're working with companies like mirror who are you know donating X amount of dollars to charities now why do these companies starting to do this and why is that part of their their success is a markets demanding the market wants it now now people are starting to say hey not only do you need to make good products but you also need to make good products that take care of companies that take care of their employees and that are responsible in terms of the environment in terms of your impact in the world that's it and that's just the reflection and I think the fitness industry is starting like like most industries is moving in that direction where you know before and after that's photoshopped you know might sell some shit today but five years from now it might not it might do the opposite someone might look at that and go oh that's fake I'm not going to buy that shit from that I'm gonna buy shit from this company because they're they're they're bullshitting me or whatever so at the end of the day like we have so much more power like if everybody went to their Instagram right now and just stop following all the fake fitness people you would see such a fast shift those same fitness people trust me with you know half a million followers they would change their marketing ploy very quickly once they lost a shit load of followers next post you would see would be how real and authentic there are whatever nation yeah exactly so it's true and it's it's super true we're the ones driving and the and I still it's still like this the consumer demands fast they demand easy they don't want to take responsibility and they don't want to make any real changes it but it's starting to change and we hope to be part of that change or at least report on that change at least report on it with our megaphone next question is from CSG USA thoughts on divorce and best practices to assist someone in processing the entire experience and moving past it well you guys know my theory on marriage yeah it should be a fucking three-year lease or whatever it's what it should be yeah I'm ten year yeah you think they should have to get remarried yes and you don't think it should not be like a crazy that bad of an idea I don't want it to be a huge process I just think that for all the tax benefits to say that you're still married and that you would have to submit a form in that requires both your signatures very simple every and I'm open to three five or seven I think it has to be seven or less because everybody knows the seven-year itch happens to everybody so I think the three or five-year mark is important that every three to five years you have to just look at your partner and say hey you still fucking love me I still fucking love you you know let's do you need that new car smell or do you just want to wax in detail right let's do this let's do this for another three or five years and let's keep going on and I think divorce rates would be different I don't think we think they'd be lower or higher I think they'd be through the roof you know because this wouldn't be a divorce it would be it would just be off not to renew oh I see what you're saying yeah there would be no divorce rate more people would break up it would be like this but there would be less divorce it would be like this the only divorces you would see are the people that make absolutely which they're still I'm sure there's a percentage of of these marriages that happen within the first year or two there's lots of what do they call them annulments and what's the other one call where you you can break it off in a year or two so I you would still see these the the drunken Vegas marriages you know divorce rates still there but I think there's a lot of people that stay in things for a lot longer because it's just convenient because it's like oh my god to file the paperwork to do this to do that like to split the I hate you but it's easier just to be with you like so I feel about Comcast the process of going through assets dividing all that stuff right organizing you know the property if you have one the kids all that stuff and I think that's not even including the emotional I think that should be a sliding scale like so as every three years when your your lease or your renewal comes up you know if you if your wife or your partner is made it that long they should be entitled to a percentage of each other's income or what about that and that increases this time goes on so if you've been trucking with me for 20 years I still have some equity yeah I still believe exactly I feel believe I believe that you've built up enough equity to deserve half my shit so I'm not like against that part of it I just think that people should have to I think marriages should revisit those conversations I meet a lot of people that are still married and they just don't really love their partner they just it's now become a roommate you know to and like I've never wanted that you know like I want no it should be a constant conversation anyway it's like if you're it almost for some people that might actually be great because it forces the conversation to happen right don't you think a lot of people totally I mean I think that I think Katrina and I have incredible communication then there and by no means does that mean we have a perfect relationship we have lots of ups and downs and hard conversations discussions and tears and all that shit but we're not afraid to have that conversation which I think is really important that people do and I think this would force those conversations for people to have because hey your renewal just came in the mail our marriage renewal oh shit I gotta get to the gym right I think we have a lot more a lot happier so it's like automatic divorce unless you're new yeah yeah yeah yeah you know it's so culturally for me in my family divorce is like one of the worst things you could possibly do that's how I grew up I grew up thinking of it in that way there was only one divorce in my family as my entire family as I was growing up it's a very it for me that was part of why it was so difficult the other part of it was that you know I had two kids the guilt of doing that to my kids because I thought if I get divorced it's gonna destroy my children it's gonna be such a difficult thing and then I met a friend of mine Marco who was one of my clients Marco had five kids and him and his ex-wife would celebrate certain holidays together with the kids they would all go to games together he was constantly in contact with her and by no means that they like necessarily like each other they tolerated each other they were okay with each other but they really worked together as a family because they were still partners in raising their kids and it blew me the fuck away I used to talk about to talk about this to him all the time and I learned from him I could see what he did he was such an involved father and the kids flourished I met I would meet his kids and they were just wonderful children everybody was so awesome and then when they started when they started dating other people everybody was invited to these family they actually took a trip trip off this right they took a vacation where he brought his new wife she brought her new husband and all the kids and they all went together I really think that I really believe and I know some things is probably things is crazy but I really think that should be a good goal of a divorcee I think if you've been divorced or you've gone through that I think a very healthy goal to have is I hope that one day in the near future that I can take my partner and or if I don't have a partner but I could I can be okay with being in a space with especially if you have kids right well because of that we that's who gives a shit if you don't have kids if you don't have kids like what the fuck are you doing on vacation what are you doing unless they're that fucking cool you know what I'm saying like I think maybe Katrina and I have talked about this like you know if we were to go separate ways we'd probably be still really good friends you know what I'm saying like maybe we would still hang out with each other when you hate someone and you're angry or whatever that's that feeling destroys you it doesn't do anything to them it heals you to put yourself in that situation it does and and the cost of a divorce the the some people will go through a divorce for five years of legal bullshit back and forth and at the end of it you know the person's like well I won I got what I wanted oh but how much did you spend on those lawyer fees in reality you actually lost a shit ton of money and not to mention the stress and the bullshit and this is just because people have a tough time like being mature people can't but especially when you have kids like you know when I got to look if I didn't have my kids would I ever really talk to my ex anymore probably not I mean I really don't care it's not that big of a deal I mean I know we have a long history but I probably wouldn't talk to her that much but we do have children we do we're partners in this like we're always gonna be their parents and so the goal is like we don't want to be together anymore and we have significant others now but the goal is to be as good of parents as we possibly can be and work together and so we still have our roles like for example my daughter's communion my ex planned it she that's what she does very well she organized and planned it and so my contribution was to pay more of the cost of it and I don't mind doing that and we work together as a team to put this together and I think it's that's such an important thing and you know when you look at the statistics on how divorces affect children and this is what scared me this is why I was married a good you know seven years longer than I probably should have is because you look at the statistics and you see like oh wow children and divorced households like the rate of you know drug abuse the rate of you know depression the rate of whatever it's so much worse and but then I realize it's not necessarily the divorce that's the problem it's how the parents handle it afterwards because if you get divorced and you handle it well I can tell you right now I'm a better father 100% I know my kids have a better situation now than we were when I was married I think that's very possible it is requires you the two of you to care about you have to put all your shit aside right like here's a thing about you you guys know this there's been times where after during the divorce and after where I haven't had some I've had some pretty bad things to say about my ex and I'm sure she's had some bad things to say about me do you think I would ever yeah you never ever utter a negative word about her to my kids of course not you know that's common though that's that's parents do that shit married people do that all the time let alone divorce people now when you're talking to your kid about their mom or their dad and how shitty they are you're also talking to half that kid because a child a child's what what children are predispositioned to do or what they have a tendency to do is they have a tendency to own thing so when something goes wrong it's easier for them to say it's my fault than it is for them to say I don't know what happened and so when you're talking to a kid and you're telling them how shitty their mom is or their dad is I mean they're going to identify with some of that because that's their parents partially them and they're going to feel terrible and worst-case scenario what you are excuse me best-case scenario which is still bad you may cause that you may fuel a resentment in that child for that parent that may take decades or never yeah but I'm too let me tell you this though what ends up happening most of time is the other way around they end up having resentment for the parent that is it because one day they get fucking smart they get all I lived in a home like this right you know I lived in a home that you know my mom well I mean we had the my stepfather who was thrown out of the house every six months and we hated him he was evil he was bad he was all that he was abusive he's all these things and then she changed her mind and then he would be back in and now we loved him again oh we love him and it's dad and oh shit now six months later he's out we hate him and so we had this back and forth and she was always she didn't have trying to get you guys on her side right she didn't have a lot of friends and so much of her venting was to us kids and so and I see how it's affected all of us you know all of us have different relationships with our stepfather and her because of it and I think because I'm the oldest and I kind of saw most of it and I grew through it you know there's a there's resentment that I have towards her that I'm angry that she put us through all that and then on top of that pitted us against my stepfather who by no means is excused from all his behaviors but is also just a part of all those behaviors because she has her own part and yet you for many years made me feel like he was it's his fault that we were going through all this like as an adult and a grown a grown ass man who can reflect now I'm like no fuck no you put us through that you know I'm saying you're just as much responsible for this as he is responsible for this and the fact that you made me feel like it's all his fault growing up makes me even more angry at you and so I think I think a lot of parents don't think about that no they think that or they don't think you know I know people who are divorced who literally when it's time to drop the kids off at the other parents house they stop the car in front of the house open the door the kids walk out and then they go in the house nobody says hi to each other nobody whatever and they're still doing dual custody and it's like what a strange position to be put in as a kid like you know what I mean like you're being dropped off into a whole other world and those two people you never see them communicate or you never see them like it almost for children that almost like it makes them feel like they have to choose or pick you know which now I do know I do understand that it takes two people so you could be all about working together and all that stuff and the other person could be a complete piece of shit in asshole in which case I say this just be honest with your kids and show empathy but don't and what I mean by honest is like hey why isn't dad ever show up or why is he always you know missing his appointments with me and say well it looks like he has some challenges and he's not showing up and doesn't look like this may be his priority just be honest don't show anger or whatever let the child develop their own feelings around it because you throw your own stuff on top of it they may either rebel against you or it may feel something completely different but just be totally honest I have I have a friend who's like that where her her husband or her ex-husband excuse me you know he's super absent you know he's not a completely absent father you know he shows up here and there one of those like shows up at birthdays and you know shows up every once in a while type of thing and then sometimes he won't show up at all when he's supposed to you know do things and she just badmouthed the fuck out of him to the kids and I tell her I'm like you know I know you have your feelings about him they have to have their own feelings so just be honest just say something like well it looks like he didn't show up because he forgot and then just leave it at that and let her let the kids decide for themselves but don't sit there and hammer them with how shitty of a person they are or whatever and also you can still respect yourself if you if you're the primary caregiver and this other person is not a good person to be around your kids I understand that or if they're okay with the kids and not around you you need to respect yourself I get all that stuff but I really think if people just took ownership on this and just I think we'd have less problems that are associated with divorce because even with all as well as we work together even with our families knowing each other and everybody being organized to create a good a better situation for my kids and all that stuff and all the wonderful people I'm surrounded with it's still fucking hard it's still extremely challenging I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy so it's still going to be tough and I just feel like people make it so much harder for everybody by you know throwing in their their ego and their anger and all that other stuff agree so check this out if you go to Instagram you can find our individual Instagram pages with our own unique information my page is mind pump Sal Adam is mind pump Adam and Justin is mind pump Justin follow me thank you for listening to mind pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted rgbsuperbundle at mindpumpmedia.com the rgbsuperbundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance aesthetic, nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and 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