 some of us know her, some of us probably don't, but you have the most yourself. You said? She gets around, thank you. I get around, I live in Harvard now, and I've done board meetings, mostly for schools, for a long time, I was thinking about it the other day, a very long time, a lot of different school boards, a lot of different committees. I find it very interesting because I work in the school psychologist, so I work in the business, but I've done the Cal of Select Board in the past, and I'm back. Since Select Board language is a little different for me than Education language, so I really have to be on my A game to keep up with what you're doing. Well, we can help you win, yeah, we can help you win. I'm arguably, we need to do the same, hold on. I was gonna say, glad you're not a board member. So maybe that would be good too. Thank you, thank you very much. We really appreciate this, having struggled with this, Denise especially, for what, two months? Hasn't it been two months in the agenda? Yeah, so, yeah, thank you, Denise. So I know it's not easy. I know. It's certainly not easy to make decisions on the big part. This is true. Nope, yeah. Okay. Any, any items of public, any public comment? You know, you're here for an item on the agenda? Yeah. Yep, okay. So no public comment. Any additions or actual changes to the agenda? We want to add, talk a little bit about the Moscow Woods bridge, rock and failure. Yeah. So I spoke with Rick earlier and said, we can, we can. That can go under road report. It can go under road report. Rick is kind of saying. We've got a fair amount to talk about. I only gave him 10 minutes for a road report, so. So we'll be doing. He's raising his hand and saying, maybe we'll be a little bit more than that. Can we speak in shorthand? Wow. It's actually pretty clear. The warrants are here. Denise, they're circulating. Thank you very much. We owe Roger. Thank you for taking the report. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Consent agenda. A minute from the informational meeting on February 19th. So I am on my own saying we can't do that one tonight. We can do it next time. Katie actually took those notes. Yeah. So I'm sure we have them. Right. Does anyone else have something they want off the consent item agenda or quick questions about consent agenda? How does, so when you make the motion, do you make a motion? Let's say I was going to make a motion to, I make a motion to approve the consent agenda items. Yeah, I just, but I move the consent agenda. Okay. Minus the informational February 19th. Informational meeting. Is that all you have to do? I already pulled that off. So when you say you move the consent agenda, we will consider that not part of it. Okay. It's already off. All right. So someone just has to say, I'm moving the consent agenda. Okay. So moved. Second. I guess we don't have discussion on the consent agenda. Well, you can ask us. There's no discussion. No questions? Yeah. All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Great. Okay. Neal. Next up is you. Who is here to talk to us about the Child's Shave Tree Preservation Plan? Yeah. So the state passed this two word in the statute. And part of it was that if we want any say in trees getting cut in our way of ways, we need to have a Shave Tree Preservation Plan. And they spelled out what needs to be in it. And I've drafted one without the Conservation Commission. And there's a process for getting it passed. It has to come before the public at a warm hearing. And so that's the steps I'm hoping that the... Is it select board has to hold their hands? It's unclear, but that was kind of, I think that that's the way. Probably supposed to have that, yeah. I did actually pull the statute. Because why not? It says the tree warden and legislative body, which is us, shall hold a minimum of one public hearing. Which I would know it's not it. We gotta schedule it. We have to schedule it. And I have to make it available. And it's gotta be available for 10 days. Just to be able to look at the notice. Or the actual plan draft of the plan. Yeah, okay. That I put into tonight's folder, seeing where it is. And what I was gonna add is I would interpret that to mean that we together hold one hearing night. Yes, that was my interpretation. Well, that would make sense. So, okay. So my hope was that it would kind of be under the select board. Get to use your recording secretary. And we could schedule it just whenever it works for you, far enough out that we can have that 10 day notice to the people who hear it or whatever. But I'm happy to kind of read the meeting and talk to you. Thank you. Denise, questions? Have you heard any feedback already? I mean, I know the conservation knows what's going on. The conservation. No. Is it either not, is my question, is it not to the public that's drafted and stuff? No, I don't think it's changed since you last saw it, but it's not out to the public. So I have to somehow make, and I wanted to ask you guys kind of the best way to do that, to put it on our website or would you make that? Well, we could. We actually have here, take this. What part of what we ratified tonight was our places for formal notice. Oh, great. And I, those are from the minutes of March 14th. But there's where. That's how we notify the public of the hearing. And I think that's a reasonable way to provide the plan as well. So we could actually just pack the plan up at those places too, a hard copy for people to look at. And we can get Jeremy or somebody to post the. Post it on the website. Yeah, the, whatever you call it, the plan. Yeah. Put it on the front page of the website. Does this say anything about, about this? Oh, do we have to post the actual notice and document in a newspaper at all? Say anything about that in there? I don't think so. It will, please read the statute. I, one of the questions that I recently found myself pondering is what does hearing mean? Because they have different kinds of hearing. And I asked the town attorney that question. And he said this kind of a hearing is one that occurs under the auspices of the legislative body pondering a policy. But this is called an ordinance, right? This is not, it's not an ordinance. That's what it says. Let's go through them. There's, it says adopt, to adopt an ordinance. It is not inconsistent with this chapter. So they, I think they're talking about a separate thing. There's a shade tree plan. And then, and then we can have an ordinance after that that implements it. So it's called the shade tree plan. Yeah, shade tree preservation plan. This is that, This is the thing that we've written. It says B section. Then it says something there about an ordinance. And then there's an ordinance piece that's separate but related, which we kind of like haven't figured out yet. But presumably the ordinance would have stuff about enforcement and so on. Right, well that's part of my question. And for the, we're going to adopt an ordinance. There's a whole separate process. No, yeah. So we're not doing an ordinance? Yeah. So let me get really clear about that for Lisa's benefit. Item B in the statute says the tree ward and the legislative body may adopt a shade tree preservation plan. And then item C says the plan may do a couple of things. And then we shall, in the context of a shade tree preservation plan, we shall hold a minimum of one hearing and we shall publish the proposed plan 10 days prior to the public hearing. And then E is has the authority to adopt an ordinance, which is I would interpret as an entirely different thing than all of the, so we have the authority, but that's not what we're talking about now. That's the feedback I've gotten from the state. That's consistent. And we've fostered people too. Okay. But there's a separate thing. I don't think any towns have figured that out. Mark, questions? Yeah, I mean, I think this must be basic. So if he's talking about a tree warden. Yeah, under the tree warden. Here are the tree warden. Yeah. So to ask the guts of this thing when you go through it is that we can't cut trees in the public right away without your permission. The sort of, the guts of it are that it has to be, you want to cut a tree unless it's a hazard tree or whatever, that it has to be warned. And the tree warden is kind of the person who put notice up that someone wants to cut this tree. And then if a town's person objects, then it comes before the select board and there has to be a hearing for it. So I'm kind of like, you don't need my permission, but you need me to warn it for you if you wanted to cut a tree. Okay, right now what happens, I guess I'm asking both of you guys, what happens if there's a tree in the right way that's not a hazardous tree that, oh well, you just think you should cut? So generally, I'm going to hold up a tree warden and we'll discuss it in the tournaments. If it's a hazard, if it's a hazard, it's easy. It's easy. If it's not. Then it has to be a hearing. And now, and. According to the tree warden standards that we are now following. So this is the change. So it's not much of a change, but before it was kind of murky and that's the reason they passed the law, but the interpretation we've been using, which is kind of from legal precedent, was that you had to have a hearing for any tree that was not a hazardous tree. And then since they passed the law, right now, no trees are considered shade trees. You could go trees in your property in the right way. I know we can do anything about it. So this plan kind of re-establishes the way we had it. We've been cutting non-hazardous trees, this event of course was the last time we cut a non-hazardous tree in the building right away. Well, we've got a lot of small ones, I mean brush. But are they, there's a definition of kind of like shade tree that has to do with it. I haven't caught a tree bigger than six inches in several years in less than six inches. And that answers my question. Probably Apple Hill road there, which we have here. We're not adopting a procedure which is gonna change the way we normally do business in a big way and make input in the whole bureaucratic process to do something we always like to do. No, it's not a big change, I don't think, but East Montpelier just went through this as just a week ahead of us or whatever and there was controversy there because people didn't really know about the shade tree rules and it felt new. So there was some pushback from people who felt like, wait, this tree warden's coming in and long-term, long-term, long-term, long-term. Sorry, sorry. The definition of shade tree has to be right there. Yeah. So that's why it's long-term. Yeah. You know, what is a shade tree? Okay, I'll answer my question. And they've been working on this for years and I'm fine. What is a shade tree and yeah, it's like not an easy job to define that. Okay. Great, questions? Yeah, just the other shade tree with it. Is that like limited mort? That is just right-of-way. It likes to basically rune. Yeah, it actually includes like this property too, any town property and the right-of-ways, except not town forests that are out there. Sure, I got it. I know that makes sense. So it does include properties like this and the town office, land, but it's mostly the right-of-ways. That's where it comes up, you know? Great. Do we, is there any discussion within that about the emerald ash borer issue? You know, where we have these by the frame? Yeah, by state statute, we're in this emerald ash borer quarantine area and they're excluded. So the tree warden doesn't have any oversight over ash trees in the right-of-way. So a woman donor or Alfred or another town official can cut an ash tree anytime now. Sure, because of that. Because of that. So that's part of the statute, yeah. So, Neil, you need 10 days to post, I guess on the question of publish, I would certainly air on the side of abundant publishing. Yeah. You don't want somebody to say they didn't publish it? Yeah. What are your, so we generally meet on Monday nights. Our next meeting is the 25th. You don't have time. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking is, well, I guess I could ask Neil, but I also can ask the board. I guess the first question is do we want to do this on top of a regular meeting or do you guys want to do a different Monday night? I don't think it's gonna, unless we're wrong, I don't know that it's gonna be, you know, a whole room full of people. Yeah. We might want to start earlier at like 6.30 or something. Why don't we do a regular night and do that start at 6 or something? Start at 6, and worst case is we accelerate our agenda, but we can warn it that way. What's the first Monday meeting in May? Second Monday. May 2nd. Oh, it's the first one is May 9th. Yeah, the second Monday is May 8th. Second Monday is May 8th. Is that enough time for you? Yeah. So we'll warn it at 6, that's what people think. And I will warn it in such a way that if people don't show up, we don't have a, we'll just start a regular meeting. Move on. That sound okay? So you kind of do your normal warning thing and I will separately post it, post to the plan itself. I will, I guess, warn it too. Is there any reason we can't sort of redundantly warn? So it'll be like at the top of our agenda in addition to whatever you do? Yeah. Just tell me what you want me to call it. It's what you do that matters. We're just putting it on our agenda. Yeah. And warning our agenda, you're the one who warns. Puts up the posts and publishers and everything. Right, the plan itself. I think that our warning, I don't know why our warning it because it does say both get us with Neil. We would Neil. I don't know why that wouldn't count as warning. Well, the trouble is, is we're not gonna probably post our agenda for the meeting. We're not gonna post 10 days ahead of time. So I think we have to do a separate agenda. So I'll put something, I'll attach something to the plan that says when the meeting's gonna be. So that it's a schedule. Right, and here I will make sure it's up. Yep, and then I'll just, it will be on ours too, but yours will be the one that's, yours will be the official. Okay, cool. One that counts to 10 days. Yeah, extra makes it. We can get some warned. Yep. So the Times Argus is on here. I should do it in that newspaper too. Are there any groups that you would like to inform? How much does that cost? It's gonna cost probably under 200. I can check it out. Wouldn't hurt. It doesn't hurt, Neil. It's, you know. It's better to do more than less. More rather than less. We don't want everyone to apologize for not checking the box. Yeah. Do you actually put the text of the sign in? I would just put the warning in. The warning. And maybe if you get it on the website, you can direct people to the website. Direct people to where they find it. Yeah. Okay. Do we want to reach to the whole page? Do we want to reach out to the Peter Harvies and the People Conservation Commission? Well, I think that would be hard to do because we reach out to Peter separately. Yeah, right. I want this one separately. Right. Well, and Neil worked with the Conservation Commission in developing the plans. Yeah. They're on the little panel. We're just trying to think out of, if there are people that we can get up and just get the message out to other people. Trails committee, maybe. I think it's the average normal learn that's going to be concerned with us. Right. We'll do a front porch floor on that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's one of our posting places. Yeah. Just make sure that in your summary or whatever, when you do the front porch floor, it's going to be in town right away. Yeah. Yeah. And Neil, I would reach out to Jeremy and ask him to get this on the website before you do all your postings so that we've got a link. So you can send people there and it's there. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. Anything else if you want to ask us? I'm trying to think so. Yeah. Great. Thank you very much. Thanks, Neil. Thank you. And you get to go home over the roads from Maple Corner here. Just did County Road and it's amazing. Good. Smooth and beautiful. Great. Yeah. Beautiful. I'm going to go over there. Right here. There's one. Touch the road. It is a lot better. Alfred, do you want to join us here? Sure. I can kind of go through this real fast and maybe you can fill in details about that. Yeah. I think it's large enough. Very briefly, we're going to give an update on the tracks. I mean, the new spare track is in now. I think I saw it on the road. And then he sold. I don't know if they picked up the old unit yet. You said that was ready to be picked up. Right. Yeah, it sold. The check is in the coffers. It's all ready for him. Just the road you posted so he can't bring it home now. Right. Is that the... I just signed something that had 75,000 bucks on it for a track. What's that? That's the new old truck. The new old truck. Yeah. The new spare. Right. The new used. Yeah, this is the new spare. And then he's got the... In our regular retirement series, the new unit that's on order and that will replace the 2016 front line truck that we've got. He's got... We have a regular rent truck retirement cycle for our front line trucks. We have a new order and it's replacing the 2016... Oh, so we're getting two trucks. Well, that's true. There's a new front line truck. It's on where you said? Yeah. It'll be here October-ish. Yeah. That's the cabin chassis and that's one or two months to get it lined up. So probably... What does it mean when you say front line? That means our bays used. These are in warranty. We use them every day. The old truck we just mentioned before, that's a backup truck. Right. Okay. So, yeah, it's already been used so it's more likely to have problems. How much did we get for the spare that you sold? $15,000. Oh, that's not bad. It's not bad for an old truck. The dealer offered us such a trade, $13,000, and I sold it outright for $15,000. Okay. And then the money goes? Yes. The money should go into the equipment fund. I'm assuming that's what's entered into it. The last thing on the trucks, we've got the CB International, which has been that. That's the small dump. Is that the one you usually drive? Yeah. And that's been a problem. Last year we voted to replace that because that's been a lemon. So he's got an F600 that he's kind of gotten a reservation on. He's waiting to hear back from the dealer on delivery times with that. That'll probably be next. That's the one that sold the way we got it. We will, but first thing to do is get the other one ordered because of the backlog. We want to have this before next winter. So that's a third? We got the spare. We got the one that's in regular rotation and then you have a plan for the lemon. Is that what I'm hearing? Right. That's exactly right. So that's, and we're trying to get everything before next winter. The time works out on it. We'll find out. And how much is that one that cost us? I don't, what's the number? Do you know what that is? I don't have it. I do have quotes, but I don't have it from you. Somewhere. The truck was like 80,000 and the equipment's like 60. So you're around 140 for that whole. And we should get, I'm hoping to get some, it's hard to say with that, with the CV, what we'll get for a trade or an outright sell. I'm seeing that nobody's interested in it because it's got some problems. Not just that particular truck, but that brand of truck. Oh. It's been a problem. Yeah, remember you told us about it. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully we'll get 60 or 70,000 out of that. That's my hopes at least that much. So we're covering at least the plow frame with the constant. Yeah. Essentially that's it. We should be great. That's the hopes. But there's no say. That's still early in the game. It might work because of the backlog and truck availability. You never know. Maybe because it's maybe a web word. Maybe that will work in our favor. The last thing we just want to remind, you know, we've got, we're coming up on a greater replacement time too. So I have to work down on the capital budget piece, but that's a big expense when it hits us. But we want to stay on schedule with that. You know, when we say coming up, what's that mean? Well, in the next few years, very, you know, we want to be cycling those graders because they're expensive piece of equipment. We'll get rid of, I'm guessing we'll get rid of the John Deere. Is that right? When the time comes, then we'll keep the cat. Keep the cat. And then, you know, so we can sell the John Deere for whatever that's, you know, what that's worth. And then, yeah. So that'll offset some of the costs. I'm not thinking either next year or the year after. We have to go on the town meeting morning, right? That's exactly right. Yeah, depending on how we fund it. I don't think we'll have enough in the capital plan. I still want, would like to do, if we'll talk about that later meeting, but if we can start a capital retirement of one piece of equipment at a time where we're not actually funding it through, well, we'll get into that later. So one limited time. That's it for trucks, highway related. We were, you know, we wanted to bring up the emerald ash for issue. And that's what I was just talking to Neil about. East Montpelier has been, they're ahead of us. They've been, they've been contracting clear ashes off of their right of what, you know, out of the risk of these things, the way they deteriorate and the way the ash boards, they essentially have about a six year tree. Once they're infected, it takes about six years to kill them. And as they, the way the tree actually deteriorates, they weaken about two thirds of the way up the stem and they tend to snap off, which makes it quite a hazard. And we know that our, will that happen when we know it's on, that the tree is infected or are we doing it prophylactically? We will do it prophylactically because they're so, yeah. I mean, now when, I think East Montpelier has selected some trees to actually treat it's expensive to do that, but to preserve them and do that every year, every two years, something like that. So that they, so you've got a little stock and, you know. We've had a lot of discussion about this Emerald Ash Gore over the last year. Yeah. We have, we want to get acting on it soon because it's, there are a lot of ash trees and we've got a lot of miles of road and it will not be cheap to. I don't think we've had a proposal to, to immunize either though. We talked about it, we learned about it. Right. Somebody came and talked to us about it. It's in the state, we're in the state district that this bug is. I get that. I'm just wondering about the immunizing. Anyway, that's, that's a little off topic. Well, I'll do is gather some. We have the advantage of having Paul K. who's put, you know, he's a friend of mine and he's a forester and he put together a lot of these folks who are clients and he'll give me a lot of the information that they've already done and know that and he, we talked about it. So, so what are you saying that they contracted with somebody to come in? They do. They contracted road by road a bit at a time to go and remove these and it's been very effective. And then also he, and they've contracted the treatment too. So he'll have some idea of costs, but I think we'll have to be building this in the budgets in the future. Do you, do you want, well budgets in the future, but can it, if we're going to, especially, well we have six years to cut an effective tree, can take six years. I heard you say it. I don't think. Well, you don't want to actually get there. I'm not saying that. You don't want to waste that. No, I'm not saying that. I just, what my mind is on future agenda items in terms of immunizing, is that something that we would want to be working on? Sooner rather than later. Sooner rather than later. So, we have a plan. We'd have to, we'd have to work with Neil to identify the trees we wanted. I'm going to, I'm going to, East Montpelier get an estimate of, they hired somebody. They hired them. Yeah. They put an RFP out so we can get an idea of cost. But I get that all from Paul to just, just for a baseline for us. And then we would do the same thing. It's essentially put out in RFP for services. For both pieces. I'm going to make a note of Rick, Neil on immunizing. Because if we want to do that sooner rather than later, my question is, would we want to do it even before the next budget cycle? Yeah. Let's see what it costs. Yeah. That way you get them before, you're in fact. If we get a plan together, we could start doing it without contractors. We could start doing some of our own. Sure. This fall, we're waiting for snow. Are you still talking about immunizing? I was really impressed to hear you talking about, okay. I'm talking about immunizing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know how that's done. They do that with a spray or an injection. There's a lot. I need to talk to you. I think immunizing would be really great. And we should do it. Yeah. I mean, what's at stake is the future of the... The ashtray. The ashtray. The ashtray. Well, I think we should strive to save some. But it is. There's a strong sense that there might be ashtrays. That if we immunize them and they look good, they could possibly become resistant. They could be the survivors. And then we would breed the ashtray. Breed breed ashtray. The man chews. You lose the ashtray. We wouldn't lose it like the chestnut, the American chestnut's gone. We wouldn't lose it. That's the idea. Essentially, this is an insect. So it's the ashtray. With that, we're going to get bogged down. We're only talking about 20 feet of the town right about it. Which is when you take the rope out of that, you're only talking 50 feet. Well, it's all part of making a plan. We're just saying we should have a plan. Right. Part of the plan should be to investigate what it would cost to pick a couple of ashtrays to save. And how much would that cost? And then the rest of the plan would be. A few thousand dollars a year. Right. And then the rest of the plan would be the cutting of the electric. The advantage of doing that in the right of way is that the town then is taking care of those trees. You're not relying on a landowner to keep... Right. And you're keeping our aesthetic, our canopy that we like here and there. Well, mainly too, though, you've got a consistent... This has to be consistent over... Until the ash bores have moved through. Once the stock has reduced, I don't know, but I'm guessing that the ash bore become less of an issue because they don't have the feed stock to eat. So anyway... So noted. Okay. Ash, having the plan on the ash tree. Before we move on. So what's our action idea? I made a note of this, of immunizing. It sounds like immunizing, we have two pieces. Immunizing and cutting. Right. Cutting is maybe a longer term. Connect with Neil on immunizing. How to choose which trees to immunize. What would the budget be, et cetera. I will follow up with you on when you want to come back and talk about that. Okay. It's on you then. But I'll be tracking it. I'll be bugging her because this is an important one. He actually brought this up with me today. Great. So we've... And I won't... This is what I will do. I mean, I'll talk to Paul Kay because he's given the lead, a lead on that. So I can get a good idea of the cost mechanism and for both sides of this. And I'll definitely work with Neil. I don't know if I can talk to him. So we'll end now for it. Because the town crew will be a piece of this conversation too. So anyway, that's enough on that right now. Do we want to talk about the bridge issue right now? It did all over in Moscow? Yeah. You're not a separate agenda item. I added to the agenda. But that's good. So we have an issue with the Moscow bridge, that short bridge in town by the mill. I mean, there's an apartment failure on it. He had it just turned up. A sinkhole appeared. Now we're going to look at it. It's not a culvert. It's the actual... No, it's the apartment. It's probably the bridge alignment. I thought that was a long bridge. It's not. So the state inspects all the long bridges in town to the state, but this is a short. So there will be no sound inspection. That's inspected by the state. It is. It's a short, isn't it? Do they do? 20 is the top. Oh, I thought it was 40. It's closed as inspected by the state. Oh, okay. Toby told me it wasn't. He said that was inspected by the state. He said that was inspected by the state. Then I'll call Pam Thurber, because I'll try to get the report on it. He's already got DeWolf Engineering looking at that. They came in Friday, right? Chris Temple. So he's a phenomenal structural engineer. What's his name again? Chris Temple. He worked with Rick. Chris Temple. They were partners in DeWolf before Rick. Very good bridge engineer. And he'll... Yeah, so he's kind of coming up with a kind of scope on that, right? That'll be a replacement. Yeah, well, the rush here is that we can apply for instructions, right? In the state. Right. And so we've asked him to put a letter together that would put us in the running for a grant. And he can also put an estimated number of costs, too, so we can apply for the grant for it. That's good. One thing I talked to Toby, too, and he said what he suggested made a lot of sense, too, was to, you know, to apply for a structure's grant for a pair on this thing to make it functional until we could actually get the bigger grant for it, because that's a half million dollar bridge. That little bridge is that much money? Oh, any bridge. And the average bridge cost in the state is back in the early 2000s, but it's 1.3 million. Wow. So next steps, what do you guys need from us? Mainly, I want to make sure you are your heads up. We're going to get an idea of what cost is on this and then a path forward. We're going to talk to VTrans. I don't know well from what you're thinking. It's, maybe, it all depends on, you know, the structure's grants are only a few hundred thousand, right? I don't know what the limit is right now. Right, it's two hundred thousand. So we're going to have to come up with another couple hundred grand, one way or the other, either through other supplemental grant or, you know, from our pockets. So while we, you know, if we can get a grant to even do a repair on it to get us through the next year or two so we can get a better plan, it may be fine. We're funding that. That may be a benefit that. Right. Right. We can't fix it while they're doing that other bridge. Oh yeah. So this sounds like something we're going to, I mean, we do a road trip for every meeting. So we should do an update for, you know, we should put on our engineer report. We asked for that before April 15th. Okay, so you'll want. Next agenda, let's take a look. Okay, how much time do you want for the engineer report the next agenda? What do you think, 15 minutes or 30 minutes? I'm not sure we'll have something to add to that. Yeah. So I have a question. Is it currently a safety issue? We don't have to close the bridge and detour? I've got it narrowed up. So it's just, there's four beams across this bridge. The outside one is the one that has failed. Yeah, because I've seen an orange comb there for like the last week. Right, right. Because there was a sinkhole. It started out as a whole ton of pothole like this, a hole in the black top. Oh, wow. Then through the spring, the thaw and the water, it's made it bigger. So I called the engineer, he came out to look at it, and I wanted his opinion about how to fix it. And he suggested a complete rebuild. Yeah. I think there's also another option that we can, you know, we can look at for a more temporary fix to get us by. Okay. But I've got it narrowed up. My suggestion was to take the weight off of that outside beam. It's the very outside beam that is assured that the apartment has failed. So I've got it closed up like four feet with barrels, legal barricades, whatnot. So it can still, people can still travel over it. It's safe. It's not, you know, if that sinkhole had to come, nobody would have noticed it. Right. You know, but it did. And then I got looking at it underneath and the abutment is just, it's all, it's like the concrete is just disintegrated. Wow. And, you know, it's an old bridge too. So underneath the abutment is all just stacked up. Stomped. Flat stones, whatever they could find back in the days. So you have the authority you need. You don't need action by us. Not to mention. It's more just a heads up so that when we apply for the grant form, either the permanent fix or temporary fix, you guys will be on board to sign for that. Okay. For that grant. Okay. There's more than any other grant than, you know, the culverts that we replaced, all that's the same. Right. Right. This is something we hadn't planned for. Right. So what I will make is that we hear about the grant opportunity as early as possible. So we have time to get in our agenda, review the paperwork. Same old request. Yeah. No, sustain this. So we have to apply for it by April 15. We have to apply by April 15. Yeah. And today is the 11th. So you got to do it by Friday. Okay. So what are you going to apply? Toby will take all the grants. Yeah. Apparently as long as he gets a letter from the engineer and an estimated cost, then the grant can be applied for. Okay. I don't think you guys have to act on until the grant is approved. That's the way it usually works. That's the way it usually works. That's the way it usually works. I think because you have to do reporting. Yeah. It's usually 10 or 20 depending on what kind it is. I think and the, you know, the advantage of kind of going at this from more, prepare and then working on a bigger plan. It's right now. This is not a good time to be buying. Everything is very expensive. Everything, you know, so likelihood that, you know, we make a lot better cost wise a year from now or two years. Yeah. It's definitely interested in, you know, quick fix. Right. If we can make a functional, let's look at the report. Right. And then, but then definitely not sit on it long. We want to get it done. Yeah. While I was at it, I did ask about the other bridges as well, what they're three or four others in town that are, we should make a week at those and see what those wife, where they are their life cycles. I don't know how many have been inspected by the state and how many we maintain, but we can, they're expensive enough that we should be looking at that longer. We're doing capital contracts. I was planning on adding these in and gotten to that. Yeah. So that, that's a good. This is going to be very expensive. Well, and this one just kind of popped up. It wasn't anything we were planning on. And that can happen with them. Yeah. But never know. Okay. That's enough on that right now. Let's see. The other. And the next thing I did was Alfred called me about this. There was that carbon waterline permit, right? That someone had applied for a waterline crossing over under the road. Oh, is this one? Chiburo. Chris. Chris Chiburo. First he was first he was. Yeah. First he was going to first he applied and he was supposed to do some stuff and he never did. Then he withdrew it and then he put it back in again. So we, that's one of our list of having it for next time. It's on the agenda for the next meeting. The only thing I'm bringing up here, Alfred told me, you know, he's actually doing the contract work to put that waterline in. So just in terms of. Is it side business? Yeah, it's a side business contract. So in terms of disclosure, we would want to just let it go. But, you know, I mean, I don't want to be part of the discussion of approving this permit. If I'm, if I'm going to be doing the work, that's conflict ventures. So. Right. Somebody else. So then who else on the road crew could, could, could. He asked me, he told me he's always made that discussion. Because then somebody has to sign off on it. I mean, I'm personally okay without for doing that. I mean, he knows this as well or better than anybody. We do this fairly routinely. So, and I'm, I think so. I mean, I thought you have, I know down at the, they put in a pipe down at the. The. I'm at co-op and you know, they demonstrate it. It wasn't wondering. So, okay. So it's mainly returning, making sure that ends up back. So now I understand solid. Well, maybe I understand. Let me, let me test my understanding. So the application. From the. From the trigger. Is that we are, we have an agenda to approve. Next week. Is. Not is literally. To approve. The work, the right of way, right away for the work that. So we're approving. We're approving the, the, the, the, the right of way. Meaning it's going to be in the town. And Alfred's doing the work. That is the subject of the thing that we're. Approving. And we also, I mean, there's usually. We're not going to be. Alfred would tell us how far down they have to. Right. Dig and do they, are they going to blast. So we need somebody. Else. I tend to agree with that. I hear what you're saying, Rick. That it's standards and Alfred's going to meet the standards, but it is sort of. Alfred's meaning the standards, both as judge and. Whatever. Is that something. We'd rather not do it in here. I mean, it's. Who else on the road crew then could do it. Or Toby or Toby. I think you asked Toby. Can you ask Toby. And does he have the skills to do it. Sure. I mean, it's pretty basic stuff. I mean, you just have to make sure that. Compaction is right. The right materials backfilled in the ditches. Things like that. Is it crossing the road? Is it going. That's not that uncommon to do this. I mean, we have done these, but not with Alfred as the contractor. Well, and that's kind of the other thing where. The other possibility, Alfred, is that this is a conflict of interest. And with your full-time job at the town, you don't take it. What's your reaction to that? Because it, because it puts it in here. We are struggling. We're just approving them right away. I mean, it could be any Joe doing the contract. Yeah, but. It's just that I'm generally the inspector of that. Right. That's the right. That's the point. That is the point is. So somebody has to inspect my work. I think what we're saying is it would be cleaner. If. We said, you know, you're the road commission. That has to come first. As opposed to your secondary job. Is that what I'm hearing? It always has. It always has. I always put the town first. Yeah. I'm not saying, I'm not saying you don't weekend or. I'm not saying you don't. I just, if you look at it from the perspective of. Us and maybe other people, it's kind of. It's what you said yourself. But it's a conflict of interest. Right. And here we are trying to figure out who can do it. When in fact. It's your. Suggesting that there's maybe nobody that can do that. And then I shouldn't do it. That's what you're suggesting. Well, conflict of interest is, is uncomfortable. And that's the conversation that we are having. I put that we're, we, there are two different solutions. Right. There are two different solutions. One solution is a town find somebody else to do the inspection. That is part of your job. That's one solution. Another solution is that doing the inspection is your job. And you do it. And somebody else does the excavation. Those are the two choices. So we may, we, I just want to say that. We have to say that out loud. Those are the two choices. Now we're in a position that we have to. So what we're hearing from you, I guess, is that you. You want to do the work and you want us to solve the problem of finding somebody to do the inspection. I just bring it to your attention. I don't think there's a problem that needs to be. Solve. I just want you guys to know that or to try to find somebody else that can sign off on it because I can't sign off on my own work. Right. And that's, and you raised the point and rightly so that it's a conflict of interest. You're absolutely right. That it's a conflict of interest. You can't. Do we have to decide? No. No. No. I mean, I'm not probably not going to do the work until who knows. But I just wanted, I knew it was coming on to the agenda. So I wanted it on top of the table so that we all know. And if you tell me I can't do the work, then I won't do the work. That's why I brought it up to the board ahead of time. Right. All right. That's the first thing I've heard you say that if we tell you that your job here conflicts and you shouldn't take that work. That's why I just heard you say, but that's the first time you've heard it. So I think that we, we could probably spend an hour trying to work through this and maybe we should just note the issue and move on to what else you guys. Right. We can, we can talk to Toby and see if he's willing to. Okay. Well, let's. Okay. Well, good. Anyway, that's, then let's see the last, the last was that, you know, the new hire Peter Daly was doesn't need our. I think this is not my previous session. Well, no, I talked to Sharon and she thought this was open should that, you know, with the health insurance issue. We talked today. That was something else I said we would do an open session. I think, I think that's. Talk about that. Maybe. Well, I can. That was a long time ago. It was many hours ago. Okay. We'll talk about it. Exactly. It's personnel related. Yeah. Right now I'm on it should be done in open session. It should be. Yeah. I think it should be done in second session. I think that's it out for them. And we can get back. I'm sorry. It was something I told you was open session. And now it's not coming to mind for me. And I apologize if that was it. So maybe I made it. It might have been. It might have been something that we've already hit on. Yeah, it could be. It could even be what we were just talking about. I can't remember. Sorry. I think it was that. It was quite pleasant. I was between conference calls. Yeah. Okay. Is there anything else you guys want to raise with us? Any other questions from the board for Alfred and Rick? Okay. Oh, you know, there's one thing I want to. Since I and I haven't been able to do it yet. But I want to talk to. Central Vermont regional planning just because of. The East Montpelier project that moving forward. You know, because they were going to project manage. Next phase is in this. Grace. Grace left. Right. Your store. Project. I want to make sure that there's a balance. East. I wonder where confused. Yeah. I apologize. Okay. So you want, you want, you want that on an agenda coming up? I don't know yet. Let me talk to you. To central Vermont. Okay. I need to see what the next phase, what they're, what the next step is now. Who's taking grace? Right. Right. So one thing I will point out to you guys is I've added a section at the end of the agenda where we do two things. One is we go through what we have teen up coming up. And also 15 minutes. Yeah. 15 minutes for us to just go around the room and board and say, what's on your mind? What have you been hearing about? What should we be talking about to make sure we're capturing those kinds of things. Before you go on one hand, you, I was going to ask you something about that. I hope you're going to take that 2022 season thing that goes up the page of the watermark because it makes it, I think it's going to be hard when people fill it out to be able to read it when you get it filled out. Okay. I can lighten it up. Okay. That would be good. I wanted to make sure I wanted to not, it's just too dark. Okay. I can lighten it up. Alpha, we approve the application for private maintenance of public roadside tonight. I gave it to you and draft and hear from you. So I assume you loved it. The last thing you said, you emailed us. You said he liked it. I did. I applaud us. I missed it. I saw it. I saw his email. So here's the final. It's on the, it's in the, tonight's folder too. Do you want to pay for one? Should we, I will, I will lighten it up and I will ask Jeremy to get it on the website and post it. And I will post it in from which form and try to help you out and making it spread in the work and help us out spread in the work. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thanks Alfred. Thanks Alfred. Good night. One of you guys is next. Right now we're in the rules of procedure. So the rules of procedure are, these are the rules. Just a quick history and then I'm going to make a motion just to put it on the floor. These rules as they way predate me, but in draft and multiple drafts, these rules were discussed in August at some length. And then they were discussed again in September of last year at some length with notes being taken and then at a request that additional material be provided as discussed. And the results is this. Then we took this, which was before you last time, went through it pretty carefully and really have, I think these rules are fine. I don't think they, they, they're permissive. They, they allow us to do things. They allow the flexibility we need when we need flexibility. They say what we're going to do when we need to do things. The only places in these rules. I got it here. The latest one, when I made that little tweak that we talked about this morning about that. You're on it. You're on it. You got that? I just can't do that. You're on it? The only way. We changed the shout to a name. A name. Let me have two names. There is one change that we recommend, but otherwise. That's, that was the latest. The place that says shout. The places it says shout. And Jim's talking in general. Oh, okay. The places it says shout are places where the state law requires that we do it. The places it says may or because it's may. We may do it. The one area where we changed it is if you look at number two. Board point person. There's two paragraphs. The first paragraph is point person for liaison to establish committee's commission of work groups and functions in the town. The second paragraph is when we identify a specific issue like for example, the Curtis Pond dam where Denise and John were asked to be the liaisons. But the first one, we just thought that shouldn't be a shout. It should be a may. Because maybe there's some commissions where we don't do it. So we changed it from shout to may. Otherwise everything else in here is the same. I strongly recommend it. Now I'm going to move it. I move that draft. Wait a second. Okay. I check in with John. Let him know that it was on the agenda nature. He was okay because it's a big thing. He said he's good. Yeah. Yeah. Any other comments? All in favor? Okay. Oh yeah, sign that. Oh, we do. And I brought a copy to sign. You brought a copy to sign. This one? It's not that one. I'll find it. I hope I do. I was super organized. I mean, you have yours. Give me that one. Which one? The one with the yellow one. I just want to look. Hang on. I swear to you, I need to put a big pink sticky on it. So it's signing copies. I did that in my office. Oh, here we go. For signature. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Town. Here I'll pass this around because I have the next one. The next item. It's the town constable. But this one still says. Oh, wait a minute. No, I'm sorry. Right? It's the right one. Okay. So, Travis. Welcome. How about you, Travis? Uh, John, Josh is planning to, uh, make the motion and he's not able to be here so I will make a motion and I'll be well I will say I will say what the motion is the motion that we need is to authorize Travis Shores the newly appointed constable at our the town's expense to participate in law enforcement level one and level two training at the Vermont Police Academy. That's the motion we need. Second. Second. Okay. John asked me to remind the board that we have consular with our attorneys to understand and get our brains around what level one level two means. Very helpful that the previous constable had similar training and that this level training is typical for small-town constables. So I will Travis invite you to speak for a couple of minutes. So there's a motion on the floor Travis. Yep. You can have a closer view. I don't think that's gonna happen. I think that we spoke a great deal a few times about what I hope I guess well is there any questions you have for me in terms of like time or did you get the timeline of events like how they work and what the next training is. Yes okay so there's a deadline for all paperwork to be into the academy in mid-May. That's a book. It's the polygraph and background check. Right. Which we authorize. That has to be in and completed and then there's stuff I need to fill out. Can you staff us and make sure that we have in front of us the things we need to sign. I will ask somebody to send you everything. Yeah and then also we said something about it's June for the yeah you have to have the polygraph and the background check. This looks like there's something to see. Polygraph background and the rest is on me to coordinate with all the pre-checks that I have. Yeah okay. What about the cost? The cost is there's no cost to send me there. There's only the cost for the background check and the polygraph. Who's paying that? The town town town. And you know how he knows how he's gonna get the check. It'll go to the town it'll be part of the orders. Yeah it'll be part of the orders. So yeah I think you have to do that. I can't touch that because it'll be the interfere with my audience. It'll just show up in the town's bills though right? So there's what we were asking for on Get To You. It's a piece of paper that had a signature thing on it that says when I completed it. It'll be probably yours as a signature saying he completed the polygraph on this date. And you completed the background check on this date. That form then gets sent to the account. Once you have that satisfied then you get to sign off on that order. The question is payment. Is the payment up front? The payment for the polygraph? Do we have to pay for it up front or did they bill it down? That's for you to work out with M2HIG or whomever you choose to have the polygraph test. Because they would contact you guys too. I can send you all the information over again if you want to. I'm not sure what the time is for that. So I found that the next few months M2HIG does polygraph for most people at this date. He's out of, I think, grandile. I'm not positive about that but I can do the check. But I did get in touch with him by email. And I'll get his information to him again so you can set up a time that works. I think, am I wrong? I can see our problem is the sound of our treasure is just working on a part-time basis now. So ordinarily, if this guy tells you, I need to check up front. He's got to send something to the town. Well he has to send a request or an invoice or something. He has to know he's being contracted first so that's why I was thinking of you. I think probably the normal way it would work is they would just bill the town. That would be my take on it. So the first thing is we signed the contract. And then are we not clear whether we pay in advance or pay after the work is done? I'm not sure because I wasn't in contact with them. And why don't we just, like, board to do so that my hands work? Well that sounds like a John question. So I think we did authorize, but let's do it again because now someone's taking minutes. We did authorize it. We authorized John to work with you. Let me say it out loud. Work with you as appropriate to get your polygraph done and the background check. And for John to sign off on those expenses. That part wasn't here. So the polygraph expense and the background check. We are authorizing John to sign. That was two things. Representative of the board. I'm on behalf of the board. I'll get it in a minute at least. You don't want to wait and bring it to all of us. No, let's get it. It's housekeeping at this point. Any other questions for Travis? Motion on the table. Ready for the motion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstaining. Okay. You're approved. Step forward. Appreciate it. Thank you, Travis. Okay. Welcome. Thank you, Nick. Hello. Want a lemon bar, Nick? Yes. I know. I appreciate it. You're good. Yeah, I was kind of familiar with it. I know. Thanks anyway. You got a while. I know. Thank you. Appreciate it. I got a whole bag of flour that I bought. Stop by my house and pick it up. Really? Okay. Yeah, neighbors. The floor is yours, Nick. Okay. So, as you know, the environmental management plan is a document required in each municipality, and the select-word review and approve it sometime between time meeting and main, first, and next. So, thanks for getting this on your script. At this time. This gets the third round for me of helping guide this document. And it doesn't look a whole lot different than it did last year. It looks quite different than it did two years ago, because we added to a list of possible resources that could be called upon in the event of emergency. Everything from the Snowmobile Club to the guy on Leighton Beach, whose name I'm not remembering, who has an aerial photography drone. To animal rescue folks. So I sent a draft to Sharon. Yeah, and I put it in the folder. And I don't think there's anything that I need to try without it. I must have missed it. I didn't see it in the folder. It might be helpful when you get something like this Sharon, if you just also send it to the full board instead of just putting it in the folder. I'm, OK, we have to talk about that. I put it in the folder. Yeah, I didn't see it though, so maybe I just missed it. I might have not. I put it in today, and it told me it was already in there. And I might have put it in twice today. And so I apologize if I didn't get it in on Friday. But I'd rather get it in on Friday than be sending everybody much email I don't need. OK, well, if it's in an email, if it's not, the folder's available to the public. No, it's not that one. It's not a public. That's not the public folder. No, no. Anyways, we can talk about it, but I was in there in that folder in terms of times today, and I didn't see it. It may not have been in there yet. No, I went through today, and I do think that I did not get that in on Friday, and I apologize. And so I should have asked. The reason I didn't, I remember, is because you said it was a draft, and I wasn't clear whether you were going to make more. And I should have asked you, I didn't need to ask you. Were you going to make more changes? This is like a draft in the sense of, as long as it's good with us, you're good with it. Yes. OK. Yes, I just wanted to give this slide for a chance at the Bureau. OK. Yeah, no, I don't think so. It's a very basic document. You said it didn't really change much, so I trust you. Yeah. And is that what you have there? We still have you listed as one of the three main authors of the documents. I hope you don't mind. Oh, no, that's fine. Thank you. But you weren't. Yes, or I didn't work. Yeah. Can I see it after a year or two? No, I'd like to email it also. And let's see. I didn't hear this before. There's a separate form, a one-page form, which is the, yep, it's like for organization assigned by a select or chair, and the type of signature counts is a. Oh, I don't even have the sign, so OK. I don't even have it. OK, well, that's what this looks like. We, Rick and I, met a couple of times in the last six months talking about many different projects that can be initiated around versus management and channels and prioritizing those. We have a list of 30 action items. We'll see how it goes, but we're also scanning the horizon for people to make the crew to help some of these projects because emergency management director isn't supposed to be rushing to the scene of the incident, but he's supposed to be figuring out who. Who should go where when? Who should go where when and have? Do we have to fly them in by helicopter? Exactly. And Denise had this role for many years, so I noticed that the terror was going to evolve. You probably want to get assurance. I can tell if I remember in here. Oh, yeah, I don't know. Thank you. If I can, I'll type it in the song. I mean, I'm assuming if there's a huge emergency, I remember when the dam broke in Adamette and I got a call. I called all the other select board members to let them know what's happening as select board members should. So I assume that that would be the same thing that would happen, it wouldn't just be contained to whosoever name is on the document, wouldn't the whole select board would need to know, right? Can you give that to Nick? I don't see everybody's name and phone numbers listed. They are further down the document. Because if there's a huge emergency, we're going to need all hands on deck. Yes. There's something I want to bring up to while Nick here, because he and I talked about this issue this winter. And it's about the generators. There's rarely been money available to do that. However, at this point in time. That's on my list. FEMA as well. Right now, there is a lot of interest in FEMA and in the Bermuda Mercy management about inventory. They're worried about cyber attacks, right? We're going after the power grid. So there's been some discussion of bringing up more money. So we may have some opportunities coming down. I will keep you appraised to that as I find out anything. Are you saying I might be funds from FEMA to buy generator? Quite possibly. I've been already a generator for here. Well, I could think of a couple sites in town. Yeah, I mean, this place doesn't have one at all. Right. Or in the shelter. You know, possibly even like the Kent's Corner Community Club, if an MOU could be put in place. Oh, the Maple Corner Community. That's something, yeah, the Maple Corner. Not Kent's Corner, I'm sorry. And Memorial Hall when it's done. But we can look, you know, if I see that developing, I know those conversations are happening right now. And there's, you know, so, you know, that. And that would actually funding came up in conversations about funding not being available for generator systems. And that may be something that comes out in the near. So we'll watch this carefully and if it's. That's good. Yeah, yeah. Rick and I also talked about identifying a secondary backup merge the operations center. Because down here, I know that we're out of the full plane now, but only by about 18 inches. So I think it would make sense to maybe at the school to have a backup site. Something that's got good data and then that's on good road and high drive. By the way, I want to mention that Travis and I spoken recently and Travis is offered to be an active participant in my overstated case. And emergency management, so he would definitely be a key player for us. Yeah, that's a great question. Who knows copies of the emergency management plan? The paper copy is in a file on the office. It's on the website too, isn't it? It's on the website. You know what, I have a recommendation for you. I think everyone who's told the number is in there should have a paper copy. Think about it. If there's an emergency and the power goes out, there's no way to start calling people and ask them to call people. They're going to say, well, what's their telephone numbers? I've been through this in another city. Really? And so, yeah. And a paper copy. I agree. That's a good one. Really amazing. Of course, or you could have provided that the people can find the paper copy when they need it. Well, here's a number where they can find it in the dark. Here's a thought. You could send it to them electronically and ask them to respond to you that they have printed it. Yeah. That's an excellent way. And chase them. Rather than sending it in here. And just the thing, though, too, is some people don't have a printer. I'm thinking of one of our select board members. Doesn't print anything. So if somebody needs it. And then doesn't have a printer. He doesn't have one. He literally doesn't have one? No. Well, I'll print one for you. My recommendation would be, as if you say in that email, if you need a printed copy, please contact the town office. And I'm sure they'll print it out. Well, I don't even think that we talk about that. I've been through this. And you know, like a hurricane comes through, we lose power. We lose everything. And you want to, maybe, just maybe, we have telephone. And the telephone, when you start calling people. And before you go to their house, then you say, I need you to get the following people. And it's really nice that someone's got the telephone. That's a very 20th century idea, but I don't want to. In fact, the time of death of one of the things they have set up in that emergency team is somebody's maintaining a mimeograph machine. Is that right? So that's, you know, so that's how the phone is down. And then they have a team of people on bikes. That is redundancy. And so, wow. Well, one of the things Nick and I have talked about, too, is taking this farther and getting that core team of people, you know, together, periodically, what's here. So you're really familiar with, you know, you know what you're doing is usually a disaster, especially something that really knocks on infrastructure. You've got to have. How can it happen? Yeah, then you, you know, if you've got a core team that kind of have well-defined tasks. And then, you know, some alternatives for communication. The key is to be able to reach out and bring in other resources quickly. So it's connectivity. I think, you know, mainly it's knowing what you're supposed to do. Having it in what you need to do has to be very manageable. And, you know, you can't be overloaded with a lot of decisions. You can't be very disciplined about these structures with them. And you can really be effective. Has Kallis ever done a drill? I think that Toby told me that he once did a tabletop job. Yeah, we did a long time ago. And we've asked Harry Schroeder who was going to schedule something. The young guy. And he, we had on the calendar, then he had to cancel because they got pretty busy with hospitalization. Yeah. And he said, let's shoot for April. And then I have to go back from April. So it would be good. We're, yeah, probably not going to happen in April. They're dangerous. It's probably not going to happen in April. But I think it'd be fascinating. I've never been part of an emergency. It's great to hear. I would suggest this kind of thing that you think about. There should be a court of human people, maybe 10, who know without being called that if there's a major emergency, there is any place that they all go to. To meet. To meet. And that's the place that's command headquarters. And no one has to call anyone. I mean, we don't have cell reception. I think we already have that. Fuzz are down. Yeah, we already have that. I think Janice, Toby, now Travis, us. But it'd be good to make sure that everyone's there. Where is it? Town office. Yeah. The town office is probably not there. It's higher. Right. We'll have five percent. Yeah, and also, it's a place where it should be a place where there's a general out of town people like the state who are trying to reach us know they can send someone. I don't know where they are. Well, I mean, that's the other thing. Does anyone except us have this emergency plan? The state of modern emergency management. Right. Well, it might want to say where that place is. It doesn't. It doesn't. We've got to cover it, Mark. And I promise you it's in the folder now. Yeah. OK. Great. That's all. It looks like it's been thought through. Well, that's why they tie funding and things to these. They want to make sure they've got the basic information and contacts. That's what this is all about. BEM is pretty organized about emergency response. That's what they are. This is how they bring it. Yeah. By the way, I'll mention one last thing. We have something for subscribe to something we have a town called Government Emergency Communication G-E-T-S Telecommunication Service, Denise. I found mine. It's subscribed as is John Bradent, now Travis and Toby and me. But I'd like to get used, subscribed, and we're using it. Yeah, we've got to do that. So you're going to be getting something, an email from me in the next week about this. OK. What it does is, when you make a call using this special pen, it bumps your call to the Department of Q of a Monster Precinct, which says, grandma, are you OK? I live through the 1989 Earthquake in San Francisco. Yeah? The 20s, just so people know too, there is actually a day. It's when May 26 or May 28, they've done it fairly. There's a whole day long training. I'm going to go down. Isn't it like morning? It's like morning. Yeah. Or you can register for that. I'll send the email if you want. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I got it. Yeah. If you want to go down together with me. One at May 6? 26. 26, so 26 or 28, I'd like to write. It's one of the. I forget what day it is, I think it's at 26. I can send you the link. And you can register through the LMS system that the state has. And you don't have to be a state employee. You can create an LMS account. I don't know. I don't know. I might. Do I need to? I think it would be fascinating. I think it's really interesting. Do we want to adopt a plan? Yes, I would. Is there a motion to adopt the plan? So will. Check it. And can we just authorize Nick to go ahead and submit this with my little autumn on it? Thanks very much. Well, I'm not done yet. Any other motions? All in favor, please say aye. Thanks, Nick. Thanks, Nick. Nick, can I have a question? Sorry, I didn't get. You said you were going to send an email to board members to provide information about that. Oh, just the first thing. It's the German emergency management annual conference. No, no, you're talking about the gets. Oh, the gets. I'm going to send you an email with all of that information. That's perfect. Yeah, everything you just said, Lisa can put it in the email. I'll send her a couple of paragraphs. Yeah, let's see if I really don't. I'll send you an email. OK. Thank you, Nick. Thank you. Would you mind if we put you on the town website as our reporting secretary, just so people can find you for that reason? No, I don't. Is that a Jeremy thing? Yeah. Want me to ask Jeremy? Is that OK? Yeah, that'd be great. OK. Be there. I'll let you write down what you're doing now. Thank you. I could make a test. No, you're going to talk next. OK, so next up is the ARPA stuff. And you saw the information that I sent around about ARPA. I have been doing ARPA for 2021. You read it? I'm honored. I'm actually honored that you've just read it because you asked me what it was. No, no, no. But of course. Yeah, it's geotechnical. I have lots of questions I don't understand, you know. I mean, I wrote it technical? No, not me. It's just so technical. I'm ready for one of those. What is this? N-E-U-N-E-U. Hang on. Let's just make a promotion. OK. So, want to start with a motion? Yeah. Let me get a motion. I'm worried about that. Not somebody took a bite, right? Yeah, we did. Oh, here we go. OK. So, I move that the town of Calis make the one-time irrevocable decision to elect the standard allowance approach for our ARPA award in the amount of $477. $477.36 to spend on provision of government services throughout the period of the performance of the grant. And I can hand this to Lisa if she wants to. Yes. You need a second. Yeah, I need a second. A second. Great. OK. Why don't you speak to your memo and mark the next one of those questions answered. OK. I seconded Lisa. OK. So, back in May of 21, I started following all the fun ARPA sales and attended, I can't even tell you how many webinars and documents and you guys all know I ask a lot of questions. I've asked a lot of questions. And it started out, it was going to be really hard to have any project or any money from ARPA that would cover certain things. So through the course of the last year, the federal government must have had a second thought and has made the use of the ARPA funds a lot more flexible. The reporting requirements are far out as you could see in my note about when we have to do reporting, I do have to double check the dates on those, but that's fairly close. So CVRPC and VLCT, the last training or last webinar I went to which I think last week, both entities have thoroughly reviewed and discussed and asked questions of the federal government about the funds and there's this one time option called the standard allowance and that's what I'm recommending that the board that we do for that large amount of money. And they're just recommending that it's the easiest one to implement to keep track of the reporting requirements, but we have to do this by April 30th. We have to elect the standard option. Back in May of 2021, we signed up for the ARPA funds and that's why we have gotten this far. And the amount is public, right? Oh, yeah. You just said for the amount. Well, that was the amount in my motion. No, I know. I just people watching our movie don't wonder. Oh, the total is $479,477.36. And the NEU stands for non-entitlement units. Whatever that means. Whatever that means. So the state got a glob of money. And they then, depending on how many you're per capita, you get so much money per person. County got a glob of money and they then had to divide it up. Washington County got this bucket of money and they then had to do the same thing and divide it up and send it to the towns because Vermont does not have county government. So what, so what the feds found out was this is what the feds found out when people started saying, we don't have county government. They had to figure out a plan to get the county money to the towns. So that's what these larger amounts of money are. Some county one and county two are slugs of money. The county is allocating to us. Right. And any you and any you two are monies that have been directly allocated by the state. So so far we've received any you one and county one. And the, the deadline I've heard is the end of August of this year for us to receive these any you two county two amounts of money. And that's where you get the total. And we have not, when you say received Denise, we don't actually have money in our wallets yet. Right. Oh yeah, we do. We do. So it's sitting in a, and then, and so then the other you said, but I want to say it again, because we want to make sure people understand the timeline. There's, there's a, we have a period of time, not short. We have quite a bit of time to decide how we're going to allocate or spend this money. Right. And there's a number of steps that we have to take in that process of deciding. We don't have to take any steps. We don't have to. But, but there's some recommendations for good governance. We should engage the public. I've been doing some research on different surveys that different towns have done. CBRPC can help with, with a survey. I think we should do some kind of a survey. Okay. And get public input. We also have had, as I listed here, and this is a public document, we've had requests come in for funds. CV fiber was the first. And they would, you know, they had originally asked for all of our money. And we kind of said, well, let's see what else there might be. So, you know, none of this stuff is huge. And one of the things on my list was a generator for here, but if we can get FEMA money for that and not have to spend this ARPA money, that would be better. Well, let's look at that. That's a, we don't know that. Right. But we don't have to make any decision on spending any of this money until 2023. So we're not going to make a decision tonight. I just wanted to put it out there on the radar because this April 30th deadline is coming up. And I would like to go in and select for call us the standard allowance. If the, if we all vote in favor of that. And you said in your memo, Denise, but I didn't hear you say it out loud that choosing the standard allows up allowance option is strongly suggested and encouraged by both CVRPC and Vermont legal cities and towns. And both of those organizations have it by small towns. There's no downside. There's no reasons. Yeah, I said most, I did say most of that, but they're, they're saying there's no downside and they're encouraging, suggesting, pushing towns to use the standard allowance. It's the best one in their mind. We're certainly not going to, if you were getting $10 million, you would be able to take the standard allowance. Right. I don't think there's any place in Vermont that's getting $10 million. Maybe Burlington, but I don't even know about Burlington. So anyways, that's my recommendation. This is a one-time irrevocable decision. So I want to not take this allowance. We can't change our minds. And I don't know why we would. And that's the one thing we do have to do on a timeline, which is right away. So any questions, comments? All in favor? All right. Okay. Thank you. Good. And that's, you just go in and you push buttons. Yep. Okay. Can you give this to, pass that down to Lisa so she has the wording of the motion? Yep. Thank you. Okay. It's been really educational. Okay. So we are now on the treasure and delinquent tax collector action item. I did not find, I sent you guys an email late in the day. Probably didn't see it. Bye, Travis. Don't forget to call me about the flower. You got it. I could not find, I found the memo where we talked about the things that Nemret can do and the price, but I didn't find like a thing that we signed. Oh, yeah. Got it. I remember we talked about this Nemret contract because that's how we came to agree on what we pay Sandra. Can we just circulate that? Yeah. Everybody look at it since that's what you guys want us to approve tonight. Yeah. I think it might have, I think I might have put it in, I searched Nemret, but that is, I might have put it in the treasure folder. I don't, I don't remember. I'll just say that. I don't remember. Oh, so what I captured in the minutes, it said 145 is incorrect. So we want to note that correction just out loud. Okay. That's so noted. Yeah. Yeah. It's 110. That's which minutes for which? One of the ones I think last meeting, last meeting, March 28th. Yeah. We had a, I wrote down 145, but it says it's 110. So we go in and fix that in the minutes. No, we'll just, we, Lisa will capture it as a correction. In the minutes. We're noting tonight. I also want to reopen those minutes. I could make a note. I could just make a little asterisk note. Who's going to be mad if I did that? I think it would help to be clear. It would help. Okay. I'll do that. Can you explain more what I'm talking about? Could you change the amount from something to 100? Okay. So, so there's an organization called Nemret, which is stands for? Doing Good Municipal Resource Center, N-E-M-R-C. And they, they've actually, over time, provided a lot of services to us, having to do with financial services. We have here down the treasure. And so they are going to take over payroll. They sent us a letter saying they would do that on an hourly basis at a rate of? 110. Whatever it is, a special, special for you. Special for Callas. What was the rate? It's in the letter. 110 instead of $140. $110 per hour. What's ambiguous is whether that was ever approved. We all knew about it, but I'm not sure it was approved. And we need to, we need to ratify that. Right. We have a working. So we need to ratify that contract. Or that. Which Denise has, Denise and Mark have signed on. So we want it. So now we're sort of backfilling and say, yes, we, we're glad they signed. Right. I apologize. We, I somehow thought we had other options. I make a motion to be happy that Denise and Mark have signed the Nemret contract that is now in place. By a second. Okay. Thank you. Any other discussion? All in favor? Aye. Can you make sure this isn't maybe tonight's folder? Sure. Thank you. I don't want to say. Well, maybe I'll, or just, if it's, if there's a Nemret folder, maybe I'll put it. This is. I'll, I'll like, so we have a complete, I'll complete things. Unless we're in a couple of places. That's fine. We're done. It seems okay. This is, this is reacting to a fairly emergency situation. All right. Do you want to say that Denise, I don't know why I have a really good meeting with Jeremy and Sandra. And Nemret got on the phone with a really, again, an amazingly cooperative woman and kind of worked out all the details of what you had in your plan in the last meeting. Right. I mean, remember we, we went through a plan. There's no significant departure from that. No. I would like to commend Jeremy publicly because Jeremy is writing, literally, printing out, writing and sending. He's not writing them. He's not writing. You put the check paper in the printer. Nemret hits print. They print. And then he has to sign them. That's one of the other things. And then that's one of the other things we need to do is to add Jeremy as a signer. So Jeremy sized them. On the bank. This is something that he's doing above. Right. And then the signer is agreed to work, continue to work while we advertise and look at it. She's coming up on Fridays. That's all in the memo. And that's really good. And Denise has taken on the, someone has to approve the time cards. Right. The time cards come in. It's not like actually second guessing the time cards, particularly the work crew, the room crew, is that, that job is, is, is up to Alfie. But sometimes there are additional states, stuff like that. That's what's happening. And that's what's taking on. And I want to probably recognize that. I think that's great. And so what you're saying for Lisa's benefit, I'm just looking at the notes that we captured because we definitely 28. Yes. But the memo that you're talking about, we handled it in executive session because we can say out loud now because we were thinking we would ask Jeremy if he would be willing to help. And we didn't, that was a personal thing. Right. Right. So, so what you're now noting so that we can capture tonight's minutes is that Jeremy is printing the, the checks. Right. Yeah. It's in this memo. Tuesday afternoon, Jeremy put the paper, the check paper and the printer, print the checks, sign them and mail them. Do we need to, do we need to authorize that? We authorized, we authorized you guys to move forward and put in place a plan, but we didn't say out loud entirely what it was because. We didn't know what it was yet. Well, we didn't know if Jeremy would think it was a good idea. Right. Through the chair. Right. Is it sufficient that it was in the plan? We're now reporting back to you what's happening. Is it sufficient that the board, that the select board simply say great and leave it at that? Or do we need a motion? I don't think we need a motion because we already did approve the plan. Right. And we said that last week, but I want to now say a lot of what that plan included. Great. So, so Jeremy is printing checks. Denise is reviewing time cards, not to second guess, but to check. Just check the math. Check the math. That's what it is. And there. Oh, and Jeremy is, we are, we probably should have a motion to make Jeremy a signer on bank. Yeah. Checks. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We need to, yeah. At the top of this memo, we need to ratify authorization for Jeremy to be a signer on the bank accounts. And then a motion confirming the signing of the NEMRAC contract. We did this. Right. We did that. But, but let's have a, okay. So we need a motion. A motion. Okay. I think it's a new motion. I move that Jeremy be approved as a signer on bank accounts. Okay. Second. Any other discussion on that? No. All in favor. I see you've got all the other stuff I was driving. Okay. And in the memo, I laid out what Sandra's doing, what NEMRAC's doing, what I'm doing. The link when tax sale is moving forward, the one that the board approved on December 27th. I've placed ads for the Treasurer position with the agreed upon bonus in all of the places listed at the bottom. And this memo that Denise is referring to is in the folder and we need to mobile this stuff into a public folder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's all public. Yeah. Now it is. Right. So we're just trying to keep the town afloat what we're still looking for. Hopefully getting some inquiries. I haven't gotten any yet. But it just sort of was in seven days, probably one of our best bets. And it was in last week on the 6th. And it'll be in again this week. And we'll just keep spreading the word and we, do we get somebody who hoped that Sandra will, she agreed to stay on through the month of April. I'm hoping if we need her to, she'll stay on longer. There's going to be new college grads. Okay. Okay. So that's it on that one. Yep. Okay. We need to send her. Good night. Good night. Thank you. Okay. So I'd like to come through and get our heads kind of looking forward to our next two meetings. We have regularly scheduled meets on Monday the 25th and on Monday, May 7th. And you are gone on May 7th. I'm here. I'm gone on the 25th. I'm here on the 7th. I'm gone for a month. You're gone on April 25th? Yes. Mark, are you here on May 7th? My birthday? Yes. Does that mean you're here? Yeah. I don't remember. I don't know why I'm here. Okay. So you're gone on the 25th. I'm gone on the 25th. Oh, yeah. I'm gone on the 25th. I got to look at it back. And then I'm gone from May 10th through June 4th. And I think as I wrote you all, I don't think I'll probably be able to attend meetings because I'm here by the time I'm just, you know, but later in the summer I'm gone again twice to May, but I can attend meetings. If we have you do it remotely. Yeah, I can do, you know, I can, I rather than try to do Zoom, it's just putting the speaker function. Yeah. That's what we're talking about tonight for John. Okay. We have the right-of-way application from Jerry Parton on Corey Road, the Chai Burrow, and if somebody knows how to say that name for sure. I just say it to your burrow. I don't know how you really say it. I don't. We will probably find out. Those I have, and these are in the folder for the 25th. We have a curb cut application that Denise and I have both worked on that we think we can have ready. It's another of that. It's a revised application. We never had. Oh. It's a revised. We have a curb cut application now. Oh, right. This is a revised. You can check boxes. This is a difference between what you're talking about and what I'm talking about. I'm talking about not the townsperson's application for curb cut. What I put in the folder is a review sheet for Alfred. Oh, see I was working on the application, but this is good though. They should dovetail. You should make sure. No, that's good because then we have two brand new documents. Right. So basically creating a form for Alfred so that he can document compliance with curb cut standards. Yeah. Okay. So hopefully, hopefully that will be. There's no reason I would think we can't have that done. You and I Denise. Yeah. Again for the 25th, just so it can be done because it's been out there for a bit. And it's coming up to curb cut season. And it's coming into curb cut season. April 20th, Denise, friends. Can this where is this? Remind us where this is. Okay. And whether it can be ready on the 25th or should we move it? I think friends have the friends. Friends of the town hall have a management agreement and rental schedule. And you remember because of COVID. We didn't push it because we weren't using the town hall. We weren't using the upstairs. I think the way things are right now, unless we get like Shanghai. You know, we're ready to make the space available. It's been available for two years. It's a beautiful space. The friends are anxious. They've done another draft. If you remember maybe a year. Was it a year ago? It might have been because it was like this kind of weather out. And we had some issues with the agreement and insurance. They have found an insurance carrier. So I'd like to have them send us the agreement to review so that we can review it prior to the meeting. Can everybody make sure they review it? The question I have is. Cliff is not available to come in person. And he wondered if we would make an exception and he could do it by zoom. He could set up his own zoom. And just for that one piece of the meeting. I think it would be better for him to try to do that over zoom than to try to do it by phone. Do you have any idea when that management agreement would be available? I think he's got it ready. I just need to give him the word to send it. If you were to ask him to send it to me, I will give you guys any comments I have on it since I won't be at the meeting. Yes, that would be great. Yeah. Okay. And everybody's okay if he sets up the zoom and all we have to do is log in. Right. Are we going to use the owl in the whole bit? I think we'll just do it. It would just be him, right? It's just going to be him. Okay. Are you going to set that up? Yeah. I'll set it up. Okay. Denise will set up that zoom. How long do we think we want? Well, I know what can, you know, if people have read the document ahead of time and made comments, it will go smoother and faster if people haven't, which I still think it's going to be a half an hour. I think it's going to be a half an hour. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's reasonable. There'll be discussion. And the curb cuts, what do you think, 15? That's what I'm thinking. 15 minutes. If we can get you the documents ahead of time. They're there. They're all in the folder now for next meeting. Can I ask you guys a question? No. I'm talking about the right-of-way permits. Right. Not the one, not the curb cuts. Right. The curb cut stuff can also be, that can be even 10 minutes. If you and I have it all cleaned up and it's in the folder for people to look at. I think you got to say 15. Is Alfred going to have input? We're going to have to do it underneath the road commissioner update. All right. We'll do a 15 minutes. And Rick, maybe you can connect to that and make sure Alfred's seeing it ahead of time. Can I ask you a quick question? And it's supportive of things like this. Should I look into it on the website actually creating a location under highway for things like curb cuts? And we could put the B71 standard in there. That's already there. It's in the curb cut. This curb cut materials is a hyperlink. Yeah. Right. And I put the B71 standards. It's all in. Yeah. All in there. We do need, well that's another subject to talk about. I, okay. So we think all of these things can be ready for the 25th. We can do our best, right? Yeah. Denise, tasks for a wealth functioning board is the Denise that's my next project. I was working on all these other ones. So you want me to connect with Alfred on the documents that you and Denise are working on, right? That to review. We, yeah. He should look at them. Yeah. I'm going through them with them. Yeah. Yeah. So you want me to connect with Alfred on the documents that you and Denise are working on, right? That to review. Yeah. He should look at them. Yeah. I'm going through them with them. Yeah. But yeah. So the two documents, what are they called? I mean, Well, we, there's a checklist and then there's the, we should probably get together. Let's compare calendars. Wait until when you get something from us because there, Denise hasn't looked at what I worked on and I have looked at what she worked on. And we, and it sounds like it's good that we each did but we need to make sure they go together. Right. Okay. So a couple or speaker. So, well, it's like more email protocol. So we have this problem of all of us like piling onto an email. Is this an issue we're going to discuss now or an issue? Well, I just want to just note that, that if we can all, if somebody sends us something like today, Denise said thank you for a bunch of stuff. So thank you for saying thank you. And then nobody else said thank you, which is good. Because I have to open an email to see what it says. And it just says thank you. I'm like scared about all this whole list. And only one thank you is not sufficient. I'm trying to be selective. Right. You and Mark. Yeah. Something that, you know, I'm not trying to blow anybody else out of the water. Yeah. Where I'm talking to Denise. I think just, I mean, I'm just going to keep urging us to be aware that we all, you know, when I open the email and there's a whole stack of black email, it scares me. So if we can be just judicious, we want to be fully communicative, but don't send emails that are redundant. Or that not everybody needs to see it. Yeah, that's really, that's, I think it's just an awareness thing. And I do think that it's getting better. I feel like they have, I feel like there's less. I, and this maybe Denise is where you were going to head a second ago. And I want to say what I did today this afternoon. I set up a folder for next meeting for the 25th. Inside of that folder. Oh, the highway documents that they, that Toby asked us for. Those annual roads approval. Are those, they're all in there now. There's a highway folder in the next meeting's folder now. Good. So it's all stuff Toby gave us. He said it's totally routine. Yeah, we just need to approve it for. So is that even consent agenda? It's, it seems like. Yeah, we can do that. It's not something we can. We don't. Yeah. We can be consent agenda. Okay. So that can be consent agenda. We do it every year. Okay. So those documents are all in that folder already. The other thing that I believe I set up in that folder is a, here's the thought. Now tell me what you think of it. I was thinking, because we have this problem of, we don't know. We have a list of items that we want to get to. Some are waiting or some we just haven't had a chance. So, and there's materials that go. There's the, the, we got an email from Jan on the planning grant stuff. I put that stuff in a future items folder that lives inside April 25th. So I thought, well, if things are coming in that we're not going to deal with, and we don't really know when, if in each, if I just create a folder inside of the meeting folder that says here's future items, at least folks will have a place where I can, I can dump things in there. We can park stuff in there. I can park stuff in there and then. Or any of us can put stuff in there. Anybody can put stuff in there. And then we can just move that folder forward. That's what I was going to ask. Can we just move it to the next? We can, I can move that folder forward for each, and when the meeting's over, I can move that folder forward. It'll be a parking spot for future items. So instead of digging through email, that was, I thought about crying this afternoon, digging through my email. But if we park things in a folder for future items, then we all know where it is. We can all access it. We can all put stuff in there. We're not, that's another way to reduce email. And then, yes. And then we won't forget to put something. And then I can move that maybe that, that folder can just keep moving forward. Yeah. It's something to try. Yeah. I think we should try that. And as long as everybody's able and comfortable accessing the Gmail folders and putting stuff in there. In the Google folders. In the Google folders. And then that, then that is. And that's everybody's responsibility to check. I'm going to try to see if I can do it. Just so I can do it. I didn't help you. Yeah. We can help you. We all struggled through this a few years ago. Okay. So we have the tip, the roads for the consent agenda. Do we want to talk about Denise? Can I put your glue list for May 7th? Yes. There's an issue that is not here. No doubt. What is it? I know it's going to come up. And I'll be talking to Denise about it. And I'll be talking to John, which is Curtis Pond. Okay. That's going to come to us. The reason is. Well, now we have a meeting in May. We do. But the reason is that we asked Denise and John, or Denise was in a meeting. Yeah, John wasn't there. Yeah. John wasn't there. He was ill at the time. Yeah, he was. He was sick. He had COVID. Which we essentially said, we really need to know. It turns out we have a complete 200 and some page permit which was put together by Du Bois and King in 2013. Yep, 2013. It was amazingly complete. And so we essentially asked the Du Bois and King, Jeff Tucker, to please put together a draft proposal. Whatever take to update that and file it. And he, Tucker has been in contact with the state and he owes us that proposal this week. Okay. So this week, we will know. And then we'll come to Denise. I don't want the whole board. I want to respect that there's a liaison. And I'm just speaking as a citizen at the moment. There is a liaison and the liaisons are going to get this thing. We will know what it's going to cost. And there's a certain amount of money parked in the, that the committee has. The committee's asked for $30,000 from ARPA. But really, it's going to be up to us. At that point, it'll be ready for us to talk about. In the, the... Do we file a permit? Do we hire Du Bois and King? Do we file it and to push the permit through? So you are going to have an update or a, it will be an action, do you think? There will be an action. April 25th? I don't think so. No. I mean, it's going to be... May 7th, right? That's really fun. May 7th? May 7th. When's the meeting in May though? The meeting that we're supposed to be having at March is on the 15th, right? On April? The 3rd. The 7th is, yeah, 7th is our meeting. So the 3rd is... I have it on my calendar. All right. So May 3rd, so we'll put it, unless you guys think through it and realize now... May 7th is the meeting that... And, okay, well, we can figure this out because we're going to need somebody from the group to come in. Oh, yeah. Yes. And then with that, I'll be here. You'll be here on May 7th. That's right. That's right. Okay. Speed Cards, I think, could be a May 7th topic. But I think... What do we need to talk about? Why can't we just put them out? Well, I don't want to talk about them. Maybe nobody else does. Okay. If you want to talk about them, that's enough. Put it on the agenda at some point. Yeah. Okay. I think that you're now far enough ahead that you should... And... You don't have to sign dates yet. But... Right. I just want to... Yeah, so that... But that is a... We are at a season where that is a topic. It starts coming up. Yeah. I mean, it already does. Yeah. Right. It's picking up on two or three meetings ago. Well, and I also want to talk about, in relation to that, is one of those signs, like we have a maple corner in East Calus. Permanence. A permanent... Exactly. I'm not... I'm not... It was a very confusing conversation the last time we talked about it with Alfred. And I want to spend more time getting clarity. Because this is... Because when you're talking speed card, I'm thinking about the one that we can move around. I would like to see just a permanent sign. I think he's Calus, especially... Okay. I'm talking about it now. That's right. So it's reminding us... But can we put, instead of just saying speed cards, can we add permanent... Speed signs. Permanent... What are they... What are they called? Just call them traffic calming, electronic speed. Permanent speed. Yeah. Electronic thingamajigs. Speed warding. Maybe that... Yeah, that's... Maybe just language is part of what was so confusing to me. And electronic and permanent... You know, they're the ones like you have with maple corner in East Calus, the permanent ones. That could be part of what is confusing. Yeah, we should have a mix. I felt like we were talking in circles, but maybe that's what we were. Because... Okay. Yeah. Anyway, okay. Yeah, so other things are good for now. Yeah. I mean, they're pretty solid. Yeah. So now, so this is going to... This is a work in progress and a reason to what we've just talked about. But now I just want to go around the room and say, ask each of you, have we cut... Is everything on your mind on these lists? What's on your mind? Or is there something else that you've heard about this week that you want to make this all aware of? And I'll turn to my left for a change. Can I just... Before you move on. Yep. The first thing that I wrote for May 7th was Denise's... Task. Task. Okay, thanks. Yeah. I call it glue. I thought you said glue. I did say glue. Okay, thanks. We know what we mean. Okay. Thanks. Mark. So that's what I'm talking about, Robin. Right. Old business, other business, things you heard, future things that we should have on our minds. I think that comes under... Also under agenda items. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, they kind of go together. And Mark raised the curtain upon them. Yeah, I don't have anything else. Anything that we haven't already hit on that you've heard about? Yeah, I do want to bring back. We need to... You know, I want to check the status on this... On the storm water project, because that's a big thing. Oh, that's right. East Calisthenics. So we want to keep that. Okay. When do you want that on? Let's... Let's touch base. I'm going to be checking base... Our touching base with them this week. So let's just... I'm going to put a storm water update. Yeah, update. Let's call it out. Just do it and breathe it. April 25th. Give me five... Just five or ten minutes. Five minutes. Really? You promise? Yes. Okay. Any time I say it's going to be five minutes. She says... Nothing can... Whatever. But I do think that what Denise did to put her comments in writing... In my experience, speaking personally, when I have to put it in writing first, it gets my head clear on what needs to be said. That's right. Denise's... I don't know how long it will take. It's a great... So that, Rick, even if you want to just shoot an email, I can move it into the folder and then we can speak to it. Okay. Anything else in your mind? Let's see. Just the... Definitely want to get back on the stick on the town, the speed limit. But we've got that. It's already there. So the county... You and I just have to make a plan to meet and talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what we... And I think we said it during the meeting... Did we say during the meeting how great the website on roads is? The updates... Oh, it's wonderful. You're doing a great job. Thank you for doing that. Great job. Yeah. Let me know. I'm trying to expand that out. I mean, hopefully when mud season stops, you won't have to update it every week. I won't. Well, I do it probably weekly, but we'll do a little different... We'll do some educational things on it. And it will give weekly updates. It won't be that much, though. No, it's great. I think... Well done. Cheers to you. Yes. Well, we'll just... We've got it. And if we get the people to have it using it, then when things happen, they'll know to go right there. Oh, and I'd... Well, go ahead, Denise. Do you have anything that... Oh, by the way, I want to say thanks to Jeremy. Can I... How should I contact... The other... Can I contact Katie or... For what? Actually, I feel really bad every day for going to Jeremy. He's a number of web people. He is, but he's a busy boy, so... He's a webmaster. Katie's a webmaster. Can I go to Katie? Let me check with Katie to make sure she still wants to be a webmaster. I don't... Last time I talked to her, she did. It's an easy post. I just asked Jeremy... I think go ahead. I mean, she did. You reported that. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I think... I'll just reach out to her myself. No, if she doesn't want to do that. I mean, that was on her... An email she sent a while ago about what she would continue to do. Yeah. And then I did check with her one time. So, yeah. I just sent him to Katie. You know... I'll let us know. I do have one more thing, but... Can you go ahead if you have anything? The only thing... When we have... When we have fully staffed and Jeremy's not doing a hundred other things he doesn't really have to do, I want us to look at the website because if you go onto the website and you try to find the... Oh, it has to do with zoning. It's... Stuff is like... My brain would say, look under zoning for such and such a thing. And it's not there. And it's somewhere under planning. And it's just... It's not in the hard way. Yeah. It's just not... It's not... Stuff is just not... So maybe it's not logical in my brain. At least we have some sort of web update. Yeah. We need to... So I've just made a... Reorganize the website. I'll drop them off. Kind of thing. And it's not urgent because it's been like this now for a while. But when we're back up fully staffed. Okay. And I also think Barbara knows how to do a website stuff. I'm not 100% sure. She's with her health. I'm not going to bother her a bit more. Well, she's in the office right now. She's there sending out memos. Yeah. I know she is. Yeah, she sure is. Mm-hmm. Wait, I got one. I mentioned it, but let me just slow down. Jan Olson sent planning commission stuff to update the town plan. The town. What did she send it? No, it's not. It's the town. She sent it to me and Mark and it's in the folder. It's called... This is something the rest of you... I didn't understand it. It's not the plan. It's called... It is updates to the town plan. But it is a word for it. Bylaws. That's the zoning. It's the town zoning. And it's this whole big chart of updates. It was bigger than a bread box. And she said ignore the dates, which confused me. So I didn't want to... I think that we should forward that to the end. I put it in the folder. Guys, you should look at it. The bylaws. But I want to talk to her and understand... What did we... What it means... What is actually the timeline? Yeah, and what do we... She said what she did say is she wants... She wants to... It's a work in progress, I think, as to the timeline, but she wants a... They're trying to position it so that it can be voted on in the November election. Right, wow. So backing up from that. Anyway... I remember talking to her about that. That was... She said it had been several years in the making. Mark, you had one more thing. I just want to alert people. I keep thinking that... We should be thinking about federal grants. There's just so much money out there right now. And I don't know how long it's going to last. Right. One of the major organizations that has a lot of federal money and that is getting more is NBRC. What is that? The 100 Borders Regional Commission. We've got 105,000 from them for the store. But they have a lot of money for it. They're not almost any general economic development thing. And they're getting more. And their new executive director, just approved by Congress, is Chris Saunders. Who was ladies economic development person. He's a great guy, very well-known to me and others. He's just a nice guy. Chris Saunders was with A&R, wasn't he? No. Are you talking about Tom Barry? I'm talking about Chris Saunders. Chris, Tom Barry was... He was an A&R. Tom Barry? Yeah, but Chris Saunders... No. Chris has been forever with ladies. Callous Chris Saunders? No. Oh, okay. All right. Callous Chris Saunders and A&R, stand by. Okay. No, okay. Anyway, I keep thinking my weakness is that I don't know enough where I know what all the things we might ask for. But I just feel like... Well, yeah. But I just caution... Well, I just caution that... Well, I just caution that it should be a lot. Because otherwise it's not worth the bookkeeping. I was going to say the grant, and that's what I was going to say. We just have to be careful with all these grants. The administration part of it can be a nightmare. I mean, the store has someone working for us. We've paid them tens of thousands of dollars. To manage the... Yeah. To work on these grants. But anyway, it's out there. We just have to ask ourselves what we want to do with it. Or what we want to do, period. Yeah. Yeah. What we want to do. Well, and we know we might... And that's where your capital... The spin-off of your capital budget might be that maybe there's things that we don't fund out of the capital budget. Maybe we can get grants for it. But I don't even know what the hell we want. Well, you know, something that might help us is if we do an ARPA survey. You know, there might be things that people suggest that we can't really use the ARPA money for or we don't have enough ARPA money to do it. But that could kind of be our... Could we get a grant for this? If people think it's a good idea. So we might get some feedback. I don't know how long this is going to last, but anyway. All right. Are we done? Are there a motion to go into executive session? So moved. So moved. And under what?