 So yeah, we need a Netflix special man the zoom king Mark No, what we get at 3 a.m. What would Mark show up with you get the call to go. Hey, man Here's what happened. There's a stealing ring lights. That's what it is and conditioner Yeah The parody was fantastic My god, that was perfect like the amount of work that went into that. Yeah, bless her and and good work as well Like how she was on point like that whole thing Like that man and Chase's L. She was blinked old time for chase keep going Hey, I have a high blink rate on some of these videos. No, but you talk about it. That's your that's one of yours, man Oh, so she was sitting there doing the high blink rate the whole time and she did up for me. Yeah So, yeah, it's been almost a week since we've seen each other. I missed you guys All right, you ready? Yeah There you go. I'm Scott Rouse. I'm a body language expert and analyst and train law enforcement in the military and interrogation and body language I created the body language tactics calm course with Greg Hartley and I wrote understanding body language My first book everybody else on this panel has about 14,000 books that have all been to number one So hopefully I'll be able to get mine there too, Greg I'm Greg Hartley. I'm a former army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance to interrogation instructor I put together this course with Scott body language tactics calm I have 10 books on body language and behavior and I spend most of my time on Wall Street and in corporate America chase Hey, I'm Chase Hughes. I'm an author of fiction and nonfiction books both on behavior body language and that kind of stuff I train the US military intelligence agencies in behavioral tactics influence and persuasion and behavioral profiling Mark I'm Mark Bowden I'm an expert in human behavior and body language help people all over the world to stand out win trust gain credibility Every time they communicate including some of the leaders of the G7 I've got four books on human behavior and body language, but I'm really looking forward to Scots Thank you so much All right, usually when you see somebody who's lying and especially women when they see somebody they know Fairly quickly because of their way their brain works compared to the way men's brains work They're they're much more powerful when it comes to spot. What's happening? So when you see these things, you know something's wrong But you're just not sure what we're gonna see you're gonna know something's wrong here, but we're gonna show you what's wrong We're gonna tell you what's wrong. We're gonna tell you what you're seeing now We got these this video a suggestion Greg and I had seen a long time ago This girl Natasha sent it to us and said hey, you might like this. So that's why so so we'd forgotten about it So that's what we're gonna do today again We're not gonna be telling you whether this person is lying or not But we're gonna be doing is just pointing out the things they're doing so you'll have a better understanding of what you're seeing When you start seeing things like this when someone's being dishonest or deceptive with you anybody got anything Nope, this is a great one. All right. Let's go the first one We're on the record the time now is 2 41 p.m. In the matter of never and Frazier versus Ricky Allen Frazier case number 2010 773215 dm There's a videotape deposition of David E. Taylor being taken a two-zero five five orchard Lake Grove Silver in Michigan the November 12th 2014. My name is Ed Boyd. You leave a videographer council Please introduce themselves to record Colleen Ronan appearing on behalf of Rick Frazier Jerry Kevlar on behalf of David E. Taylor Since we're gonna be winding up with you a lot Mark, why don't you go first this time? Yeah, lovely Let me give you a couple of things one of them a succession of behaviors The first one a single behavior. I want you to look out for the chewing What he's doing on either side of the mouth pretty much probably digging his teeth into his cheek That is quite particular and synonymous often with anxiety Probably a self-stimulation behavior. He can't control what's going on around him But he can control the chewing that he does on the side of his mouth mouth. It's it's a kind of a pacifier Gesture I would suggest does that suggest he's lying No, people can pacify in this way for all kinds of reasons, but it's certainly one to look out for Here's the big succession of gestures that for me denote. Okay, we've got a really look at this one There's really something going on. He goes from water To a steepling gesture in his thumbs which drop very quickly that then go to an adapter Somewhere on his trousers and then back to a steeple that drops again Do any one of those single things suggest somebody is lying? No, but all of them in such quick succession is very particular to see so again When I see that chewing when I see that succession of what I would now say are probably all of them adapters even the steepling As well, I would say it's him trying to control the environment by trying to feel confident and then realizing don't feel so Confident and better adapt here. That's not working for me better. Go back to here still don't feel very confident So individually they can mean nothing in in a group and in succession in what we call a cluster Very definitely we want to look out for those Scott. What do you got for us? All right, this is one of my favorites of all time because he's just this is just a like you said succession of Adapters that's pretty much all we're seeing in this part. So when he drinks takes a drink of water He's not drinking water because he's thirsty. He's drinking water because he wants something to do He's nervous. This isn't his first day doing this. I think this is day two of his of the Deposition so he's he's just doing that to do something and that's when he starts getting nervous You see his hand when it unscrews the top of the bottle if you look at his fingernails He has the same hands as a 4,000 year old vampire overlord. I mean, it's incredible Long fingernails. You don't see that very often his blink rate Goes up in groups depending on what she's talking about like he does. I think four or five in a row at one point. It's really Fascinating every time she starts talking about money as we go through this You'll see that blink rate go way up his mouth chewing like Mark was saying earlier a lot of times It it's you know, it'll be true on his cheek But a lot of it I think is his bottom lip is what it looks like That's why he keeps pushing this way then it comes back to the other one. It's it's when you speed it up It's hilarious His voice tone is really quiet, especially when he says yes Because he's a preacher. He's a pastor and she said do you swear to tell the whole truth? It's not about the truth. So I help you God and he says yes almost a whisper of yes So I get that's called fading facts But there's nowhere to fade to because he's he's at the very bottom of the fade He's just about to go out at that point. So chase. What do you got? Agreed on all these parts, especially the fingernails So with this lip biting is absolute anxiety We see this chewing then lip licking behavior and lip retraction so with deception a couple of those data points are lip compression is usually or As Scott would say suggests or denotes withheld opinions lip retraction suggests or denotes typically a need for reassurance and We see the blink rate is is kind of steady at 28 for the entire video But he has little clusters and The clusters appear at the moments when he feels a little bit threatened If you go back and take a look or if you yell at your dog, you'll see the dog do the same thing Sad that Mark didn't talk about peaches for this We'll see this And in threat behavior is this it's I want to make eye contact in case I'm attacked But I'm going to break it as much as possible with with my eyelids instead so that's that's that behavior there and The blink rate slows down as the conversation focuses to him and they're saying he's here. Let's introduce the witness The blink rate slows down and this is anticipation of threat or a potential anticipation of a threat and When he's swearing in there's lip compression before and lip compression Immediately after he says yes ethic very tail end of the video. So I would say There's a very good chance that there are some deception going on here Greg, what do you got? Yes, I'm not going to cover the same things you covered I may cover pieces of them But fight or flight has kicked in with this guy and Scott you said it best this guy is used to being in charge He's in front of a big crowd. He's a big name He's a he's not here and we'll see that he is out of his place here And you'll start to see fight or flight when he picks up the bottle. I agree. There's one thing He's doing the sacred space thing mark. I love you captured that but the sacred space is I got my hands in front of me And I'm doing something with them That's a way to take back some space and take some control make myself comfortable Whatever it is and I always refer to that as sacred space because it gives a person room to think and a way to soothe self Then he moves to the but where he has the bottle and he takes the cap off look at his hands They're trembling my favorite good indicator Somebody's uncomfortable when they're in an interview when they are being in deposition or anything else is how they set the bottle down And they watch it make contact with the table because their hand is jittery and they want to make sure they set it down Love that I've seen people do it in job interviews If you are in this position and you are being interviewed don't pick up the bottle if you're that uncomfortable do yourself a Favor if you're interviewing somebody and you see them that uncomfortable and they move the glass and you want to make them Comfortable mirror that behavior do the same thing with your glass you'll bring them back to some kind of grounding remember that fighter flight is trying to turn off our thinking brain turn off that That prefrontal cortex or the primate portion of our brain and turn us back into other mammals like cats And that's what's happening here You see the blink rate increase you see him starting to do things to try to get comfortable If you can remember that that's happening to you and feel it When you're being interviewed then you take control again curl your toes and your shoes move your leg in in your chair Do something comforting that's not within sight unlike what he did here It's all all the fighter flights starting to hit and I think it's your right Scott This is day two and we'll see it get better as time goes, but we're not talking about whether he's lying We're talking about indicators. We see clusters of behavior that indicate he is feeling apprehensive Doesn't mean he's lying as we always say there's no indicator no single indicator But something's going on in his head that is not above board is what we're seeing here. That's what I've got and one more thing you're about to watch this clip again and Just like we talked about those thumbs that are going up down here I want you to watch when they introduce opposing counsel they introduce members of the court the fingers go down The moment his attorney is mentioned You'll see them pop back up for a brief moment Then they introduce someone else in the court and they go back down and chase that steepling thing You're talking about I always say if you steeple do away with it because when you're in control and you're steepling You'll do this But as you compromise your hands rotate forward and then your thumbs will rotate down and mark I'll have to find that picture of Tony Blair standing in front of Condoleezza rice with his hands like It's just the most powerless look you can possibly We're on the record the time now is 2 41 p.m In the matter of Deborah and Frazier versus Ricky Allen Frazier case number 2010 7 7 3 2 1 5 dm There's a videotape deposition of David E Taylor being taken to zero five five orchard like bro Silver in michigan the november 12 2014. My name is Ed Boyd. You leave a videographer counsel Please introduce themselves to the record Colleen Ronan appearing on behalf of Rick Frazier Jerry Cavalier on behalf of David E. Taylor Steve Jenkins appearing on behalf of Deborah Frazier Gregory Timmer on behalf of Rick Frazier Please have a witness for him Would you please raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth? The whole truth and nothing about the truth Yes All right, ready to go? Yeah, let's move on All right, so what is your Salary at jammam I now From what I know and from what you know. Yeah, I think it's around 27 to 30,000 Something like that and what expenses are you saying that jammam I pays on your behalf? Well It's The expenses under the law for clergy So, what are they? I don't know. You have to go research that I can't tell you. No, I don't know everything There is no research I can do that'll tell me what jammam I is paying for you Well, what I'm saying is we abide by those laws. So that's that's where it would be so no, it's Sir, I'm just saying I can't tell you. I don't know you have no idea what expenses jammam I know a housing allowance. How much is that? I'm not sure Don't know What other allowance? There's I don't want to miss state. So I don't know. I'd rather for someone who's professional to tell you about that No, I'm asking about your personal not in theory. What's your asking about ministry stuff? Let me finish. I'm answering you. No, don't don't interrupt. Let me finish the question. Okay Chase, what do you got? This is great I mean We were watching this. So what we do here on the panel We keep the zoom recording rolling and then we all watch the video together through scott's Computer and we're all giggling the whole time watching this which you guys can't see behind the scenes because it's such a great clip and uh There's when he's thinking about his expenses We don't see recall. We see internal dialogue eye movement here And when he's saying what are they? Asking a question again. We see eyebrow flash. There's a shoulder shrug And this does he does this three more times as she's pressing him on the question And then when he's saying housing allowance, there's false confusion there pretending To be confused and I'll just do One more When he says i'm not sure It's micro, but there's duping delight. You can see the face be very he's very satisfied with with His performance and he knows like I've just said I don't know or I'm not sure to a question and that's it I can that's a legal answer When for an interrogator, that's our worst nightmare I don't know it was the hardest or I don't remember is the hardest thing for interrogators to overcome Well, I'll speak for myself And then we see the blink clusters I talked about just a second ago We see it again as she starts really coming down on him towards the end of this one clip And mark what do you got? Yeah, lovely. So I I agree chase like he's getting more confident as he goes on there as he's starting to use those My guess is what the lawyers have told him to say He gets more confident and I didn't see the dupers delight So I'm going to go back and take a take a look at that because I I if you saw it I guarantee that's that's going to be there So I want to go back and see that one and anybody watching right now go back and take a look As well. I'm really interested in in that one because dupers delight like you hear it talked about a lot But we've always got to go back and go. What is it? What does it look like because it can be quite subtle and it can be confused for other things? So let's go back and look at that one for sure Here's what I pick up on as well. Oh, exactly as you're saying as well chase the the pretend confusion There, you know, again, it's not it's not prolonged and sustained enough to be consistent constant confusion It just kind of shows up when he hasn't got a good answer for it and disappears when he's got his lawyer's answers for it Um, I love how he goes from from what I know to I know. I don't know There's lots of of flip-flopping between what you know and what you don't know Linguistically he's not making any sense at all Uh, you'll notice him rocking backwards and forwards right at the start as well self soothing gesture In my opinion there and then the last one the 27 to 30 k Of what he thinks his salary might be We get The bitter taste in his mouth There's something that he knows is distasteful about what he just said there There's just too many red flags here to to suggest that he's telling the truth or is innocent Greg, what have you got? Yes, I'm going to go away from body language because you covered most of it I'm going to go to something else great indicator people when they're lying or they're hiding the truth often will insulate the truth in something Holy, he just did it You know, holy, you know high ground as my mother's my witness or on my mother's grave that kind of he called in the clergy immediately These are things that the clergy gets and so if when that didn't work he went to law just as good Okay, there's also a statutory obligation. So he's coding the truth with this so he doesn't have to divulge it These are things you wouldn't understand. This is the clergy. This is a government regulation. We follow the rules Does that have anything to do with the question? Absolutely not So he's distancing from the question if forced to answer he does And he has his forehead up in request for approval when he's doing it So yeah, all the body language aside all the breathing all the respiration all the change in tone as he goes to a lighter voice Or when he thinks he has authority and tells her he doesn't have to answer it and she or she can go do it herself And she comes back at him different game But all these word patterns tied to all the body language you've all mentioned This is red flag red flag red flag. And so you just want to you know, you this is one of those guys You don't even want to waste your time pretending that you believe him You just want to sit and look at him and let him paint himself into a corner scott. What do you got? Mine's gonna be fairly short Sorry Because when I when I first saw this this part and it's classic because it comes right after that when he gets sworn in His answers a couple of questions Then he begins and you guys get ready for this because you go, oh, I can't believe I didn't bring this up So I guess I was kind of bummed out because I figured you guys were going to nail this right out of the gate But what you see him do is hands come down the guard is growing area Those shoulders come forward. He comes for a little bit trying to guard His heart and as long as it is stomach doing that number As as his shoulders come forward that head goes down guard that neck and he starts turtling And that's the very first thing you see most of the time when someone is not telling the truth And you start asking them questions first thing we do is what do you what do you know? What those eyebrows go up request for approval? And then that you start from there and you've got to get him open back up. She's not interrogating him here So it's a completely different situation But he does the classic moves of bringing everything forward and getting and going down like this Or is the opposite of that is when they're getting ready to tell you everything For example in a murder, you'll see him start rocking and they'll get opened up a little bit And that's when you reach over and you touch on the leg blah blah blah like we've talked about before What else have I got in here? I think Yeah, and Originally, I thought that nose scratch was was part of eye blocking, but I think it's just a just another adapter So that's that's one of the number one things people learn when they first start body languages if you scratch your nose You're lying because it there's so many blood vessels and everything in your nose that it is sensitive But that's the number one overdone Absolute I've ever heard his people constantly talking about that I think it it stems from a research Of course, I'm gonna bring this up, but it stems from a research that was done at a university where some dude in a lab coat read Questions off a clipboard and they said you're you need to lie to question 11 or whatever Was and nose scratching or facial touching was the number one indicator Of deception that they noticed But it's what they didn't fail they failed to tell us It's the number one indicator of deception when you tell someone to be deceptive the stakes are low And it's a college kid in a completely safe environment knowing that there's some idiot with a clipboard in front of you All right, so what is your Salary at jmmi now From what I know and from what you know. Yeah, I think it's around 27 to 30,000 Something like that and what expenses are you saying that jammam I pays on your behalf? Um Well It's The expenses under the law for clergy. So what are they? I don't know. You have to go research that I can't tell you no I don't know every there is no research I can do that'll tell me what jammam. I is paying for you Well, what I'm saying is we abide by those laws. So that's that's where it would be. So no, it's Sir, I'm just saying I can't tell you I don't know you have no idea what expenses jammam I know a housing allowance. How much is that? Um, I'm not sure Don't know What other allowance? There's I don't want to miss state. So I I don't know I'd rather for someone who's professional and tell you about that No, I'm asking about your personal not in theory. What's your asking about ministry stuff? Let me finish I'm answering you. No, don't don't interrupt. Let me finish the question. Okay. Okay. That's good Yeah, that's really long What personal allowances jammam ministry provides you or stipends for Housing or automobile or whatever? What do they provide you? You know, I I know there are many allowances, but one that I Can't say is housing allowance But in order for you to get the accurate Names for what they allow you have to talk to a professional because I don't want to give you misinformation No, I'm not asking in theory. What is possible? I'm asking what actually jammam. I provides to you I'm asked an answer and I said he doesn't know that it's not responsive. I just don't know I'm just telling you the truth. Well, that's an answer, but that's not what you told me before um All right. Well, I'll go first on this one Uh, again here he begins with his mouth adapters again starts chewing on his mouth as they go along Then he scoots back in his chair and he literally braces himself for this answer Because it's almost like somebody's throwing stuff at him verbally as corn balls that sounds because he scoots back and he's starting to get ready And and as he does that his arm comes up his right his right arm comes up almost as a barrier For those things as well Then when he starts using his illustrators, they're really slow as he's using these things and he as he goes forward He's like this and this and then when he's finished when he's had he said that's enough He brings it back forward and you hear it hit his lap So that's the way he's using his illustrators in that point So what we're seeing here just so you'll know when someone is being deceptive a lot of times you'll always hear Oh, they move back away from deception. Sometimes they will sometimes they won't but in this case He is as he braces himself to start to start giving his I want to say something cuss word answer, but he started giving his his deceptive answer So greg what do you got? Yeah, so he's still doing the shrinking target the uncle fester look You know his head's still kind of shrunken down into his body But he also when she starts to ask the question his face does recognition Something he's prepared to defend against and you see him almost look happy for a minute And then he does the request for approval and he does that pushing away What you're talking about with his hand as he sits back There's not I'm not going to cover a whole lot of body language here As he works through the mechanics of all these questions. He also then is going about Chat from redirect he's dumping a lot of words that have no meaning And hoping she'll pick up on one so he can move in the other direction There's not a lot of content anything he says his voice tone goes to really soft because if I tell a lie And it's low, maybe you won't hear and you hear that in people a lot when a person is telling you something It's not true and they guard and they go to the lower voice and they they get lighter and they're leaning in So you can hear them. That's all them trying to deceive you. I listen when someone's changing tone Something is up. Something's changed in their head when their volume level changes People who are masterful at managing the situation will use that to draw you in closer In this case, I think it's more of a if I don't say it out loud Then i'm not going to be held accountable and then the I don't know and all of those Typical ways of avoiding questions mark. What do you get? Yeah, so the brain loves predictability and autonomy the the ability to make decisions when it's in an environment Where it's unpredictable to it and it doesn't feel like it has a lot of power to decide what's going on Levels of dopamine reduce and dopamine is the neurotransmitter that says to the brain Hey, things are going to get good. We've got some good expectations out of this So the brain gets really kind of depressed. So we use adapters We like to manipulate the world around us simply so the brain goes Hey, we've got a lot of choice here. I can I can move my jacket. Hey, I can shift How i'm sitting right now that causes the brain to get optimistic So we adapt when we want the world to get better for us and we want to feel better He does this massive adapter, which is this big shift in the chair Because he's under pressure and he wants to feel better I would say in this particular circumstance It kind of works quite well for him because I think he gets just that little bit more confident When he's made this big move So we might get distracted by the confidence. We might go. Hey, I think these answers are going pretty well Maybe he's being honest because look at how confident he feels But we've got to put it in the perspective of such a massive adapter beforehand and how that may have triggered him into feeling a lot more confident when his answers really have that same resonance of untruthfulness About them. Uh, who've we got next chase? Yep. Thanks mark and deliberate adapters are one of the key unclassified things that they teach in resistance to interrogation school can't talk about which ones Maybe gregna is more familiar with what we can't talk about but It's it's interesting that you can make deliberate adapters a part of a actual strategy to increase confidence and comfort We see some Seat adjustment here and this is really common anybody who's Okay, I'm kind of prepared for this but I need to adjust to deliver this There's fake innocence here Fake innocence. I'll just call it that. It's kind of like my clarinet hold And this is uh You see eyebrow flash and nodding for approval at the same time. So there's some fake And he's saying I'm telling you the truth And as he's saying telling you the truth. He's his head nods harder And his eyebrows go up to force an agreement behavior from the other person So that's kind of he's requesting or forcing the other person to nod because he's doing that so much And that's I'll leave it at that What personal allowances jamem ministry provides you or stipends for Housing or automobile or whatever. What do they provide you? You know, I I know there are many allowances, but one that I Can't say is housing allowance But in order for you to get the accurate Names for what they allow you have to talk to a professional because I don't want to give you misinformation No, I'm not asking in theory. What is possible? I'm asking what actually jmmi provides to you Objection asked an answer and said he doesn't know it's not responsive. I just don't know. I'm just telling you Okay, well, that's an answer, but that's not what you told me before um Who drives the Bentley? My driver Who's your driver? I have a number of drivers So you would say um james or cliff And they're responsible for picking up our our guests in those cars They fly in for meetings and things like that In the same thing with the 2007 Mercedes Benz. Yes 2008 BMW. Yes Are those owned outright or subject to any kind of loan? They're owned Outright, there's no loan on those. No, okay When you come to michigan Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so I'll try not to steal everything here guys. This is a mess. First of all, how do you answer a question? When what he stumbles into something you shouldn't have by trying to be a little vague in the process He's trying to just avoid her question and says Who drives it and she says And he says my driver and then he's like, uh, oh, I got four drivers now This is starting to make me look more wealthy than I would be So he starts to do all kinds of things. He does a lip compression Which for me is the same thing you call a lip grip or whatever I I caught lip grip other people call lip compression That can be containing data or emotion its information one way or the other his blink rate goes through the roof He does this he crosses his body and adapts Again sacred space he barriers with his arm and scratches his leg tries to make it look comfortable He is licking his lips all that fight or flight is coming up So he knows he's in a bind and he's lowered his voice. His volume is down Guys, this is red flag Anybody anybody who studied anybody language at all would be able to recognize all those Does it mean he's lying? No, but it certainly means there's something inside his little head that is causing this stress The amygdala has recognized the threat and his body is responding That's what we look for is red flags and then the fact he's being not forthcoming with information You have to pull his teeth to get the information. He's a great indicator that he's being deceptive Scott. What do you got? Well, I had everything you had So I've got about two things left Uh, we'll start with uh, oh, I know we'll go when when he starts giving up too much information For something he just starts telling her about all of his drivers She says who drives that car should have said cliff or james either one of those But he starts but then he says and mark i'm probably stealing this I'll talk about it. I'll do a little part of it. He says so you should say And that's when he starts talking about um Or you would say instead of giving the answer. He doesn't say well, it's this this here's what they do He said you would say they do this So he's he's just subconsciously back there He wants her to to believe and to say that they that what they're doing is Picking up people at the airport and bring them to the house for these meetings because when he starts talking about that Um, they start talking about the various tasks tasks. They perform. That's when he starts moving his arms scratching his ankle They're bringing that arm across What he starts talking about when what they do is when they pick up our guests and bring him to the house for meetings Every time you can see his eyes He he eye blocks at that point slowly I mean it takes while his eyes close when he's talking about those things So he's again like greg said he's embarrassed about that because he knows he's he's saying way too much at that point I think it's dawned on him because they're not having meetings at that house. Have you have you seen that place? Holy smokes man. It's like a castle over there and they're going over there Who knows what they're doing, but it's they're not having meetings if its meetings are in the pool And one of those little floating pool bars that they have Um, okay, I'm gonna eat up too much mark stuff mark. No, wait chase. What do you got? I think there's some internal dialogue here At the beginning we see him looking down And it's it's a question that requires zero Cognitive effort who drives your car? It I could ask anybody if I ask you watching right now you you wouldn't have to go Well me And then think about it a little bit So this is internal dialogue. How do I manage this? How do I shape the situation? And we see a really great Tiny micro expression of disgust The moment the woman says 2008 BMW you can learn about those micro expressions at body language tactics dot com I actually went to the course that is in there And there is overt the most amazingly overt display of lip licking as a hygienic gesture that I've ever seen here this that it is just Wedding his entire lips to change the appearance. So any hygienic gesture is designed to make you look better And they are most of them a deception indicator Which means we need to stack those things up like Legos to become something that resembles deception But removing lint from your clothing licking your lips pulling your hair back behind your ears sitting up a little bit Straighter adjusting your clothing all those are hygienic gestures and that lip licking is another one there We see a great example of that and I'll leave it at that mark. What do you got? Yeah, lovely. So you might think okay Mark can't have anything by now, but this is so packed That even though they've been through everything. There's still some more Look when she says who drives the Bentley. I think we see freeze at that point I think we see a moment of freeze and then I think we see an eyebrow rays of recognition there He's acknowledging that she's got him on this one. I don't think he was expecting this one Which is why I think he's so longing coming up with these answers because I don't think he thought this one was coming along And this one is quite poignant and here's why when he gets to Scott was saying guest meetings and Things like that. What do you mean things like what do you mean things like that like what like I'd be asking When you say things like that or what kind of things are you talking about? Because his hand immediately goes back here and starts scratching Which for me is a red flag of let's talk about things like that. Scott. I didn't know about the swimming pool and the car But in my mind I was going I wonder who these guests are Yeah, who are these guests how many guests how often guests to what? so He knows that there is something to be dug into there that he doesn't want revealing And then we get So there's no loans on these at that point. I believe what I see is him checking for the exits Yeah, he is looking to do a runner Now now He's it's a pincer movement. They've got him on all sides His breathing increases his adapters increase at this point They're summing around these vehicles and what arrives In these vehicles, I think and what these are used for that. I think is a super hot point of this I don't know what it is. I'd quite like to go and investigate right now and see what it is But but it really raises to a crescendo here. So that's that's what I got and one thing to your point mark Oh, I was hoping one of you guys would say it. I think he cannot resist An opportunity to show status Agreed And that's the reason he said I have many drivers Not two Not three many and you'll see many. I can't even talk about it right now You'll see it again because because that's why he did in the last thing He had this big grandiose everything he's going to do is a little too grandiose even though he's trying to hide it Because that recognition. I think to this guy matters, right Hey, Greg talk If we're using an interrogation technique I would do pride into ego down where I say well, you're really kind of a second rate preacher I bet you make You know 20 cents a week you get change in your plate And you know, then he would know, you know, that's how you go after those people when you interrogate him Because pride in ego down forces them to defend and they become larger than life to show you how big they're Works well. Okay going going to what joe navarro calls um verbal bridging And we always talk about that that opens it up for those micro Yeah, so talk talk about that a little bit verbal bridging is nothing more than hiding time Using words to to jump over space and I think schaefer and navarro together came up with that But I guess I remember I was working with schaefer when when they brought that to us and we were teaching agencies But words like and then after that so Words like that allow you to skip over time So the way they showed us is they would give you a video of a guy walking in a store stealing some food Or some alcohol as he left and then say write a statement about what you just saw as if you're the person And almost to the person every person said I went in the store. I looked around I went to buy a soda decided I didn't want one and then left to the person So it's a way to hide information that you don't want other people to hear And there can be other ways as well But it's just simply a way of hiding information because language is only part of how we are we think But remembering that your first language patterns your brain So english has a certain methodology and the way you hide information is designed to buy that language If you spoke chinese you would hide it a different way. It's just the way we're structured Who drives the Bentley? My driver Who's your driver? I have a number of drivers So you would say um james or cliff And they're responsible for picking up our our guests in those cars They're flying for meetings and things like that And the same thing with the 2007 mercedes-benz. Yes 2008 bmw. Yes Are those owned outright or subject to any kind of loan? Uh, they're owned Outright, there's no loan on those. No, okay When you come to michigan There you have it Four videos that let you know when someone's lying to you that we've shown you the things to look for some of the things I'll look for when you think someone's being deceptive and you start seeing these things You may see very small versions of these. You don't want to look for just one You don't look for three four of those things So that's when you start saying wait a minute something's not right here When you see the first one you go hey heads up when you see the second you go Okay, here we go and you see it's over and you go. All right, it's on So make sure you don't just see the one you go. Oh, that person's lying And I know why and here's why that's an absolute you want to pick more than one two or three Get in there and get a group of them So now if you like what we're doing subscribe to our channel hit the like button down there and down there on There you go right down there were marks pointing hit that subscribe button that'll subscribe the channel Usually we get these out on thursdays, but sometimes we come out early on wednesdays for people who subscribe they'll know So if you want to see um, what we've done as early as possible Hit that subscribe button and hit the little bell and it'll let you know as soon as we put one out All right, we're good. Yeah good. There's one again. See you guys next time Oh chase is gone She's laughing