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All right. So we're gonna talk broken realms tonight We're gonna get deep into the prediction speculation. We're gonna we're gonna strap on our tinfoil hats It's gonna be time to do some predictions But of course first we start off the show with some news. All right. So Tom, what do we got buddy? Um Tom has not looked at the news before this exact second. I want you to know that I Prepare this news an hour and a half ago Tom forgot I guarantee you he just remembered He was supposed to look at this and it's looking right now Rumor engine. I just said it The as I've said before the reason I put the rumor into the top of every news thing is so Tom can say it Without knowing it's a thing and then he can go actually read the news that I've put together Man, I am I am so prepared. I am I just have to say it right now. I am loving the direction. This episode is going Yeah, this is this is what we're at tonight. This is where we're at alright Okay So yeah, let's talk about the rumor engine big giant club with spiky bits very much Like the ogre hunter club That's actually quite what it looks like I hope that this is some other like we did just get a new plastic ogre hunter obviously in the The Crap what am I trying to say the underworlds warband? There we go Okay, I Suppose it wouldn't be out of the question to get some kind of ogre in a war cry Warband in the same way that we've gotten we got those new sort of dark elf Type of models or darter's a cane models or whatever you want to call them The ombre neth since that was the leech name for them This is ogres I Will say it looks it is a very ogre looking club and it wouldn't be what I'm pointing out is that it's not beyond the pale That we would get an ogre warband and get some new skulls. I think the answer is a much much more obvious Okay, I'm ready. What do you got? Vampirates. Yeah, always Yes, no. Yes, it is vampire. It's Part of the zombie unit. Okay, and it's a and it's a zombified ogre Okay, got it. So so zombie ogres. That's what you're that's what you're well like no I Mean clearly this has to come from like the mixed zombie unit And so like think about how they've been doing the war cry warbands where they have like one next Yeah, sure. There's like a single ogre in the in the iron guys. Yeah Yep, yep And so basically we're gonna get the same thing for zombies and you're gonna get a mixed collection that most of them will all be like normal like Humans and elves and dwarf zombies, but you know what there's there's no there's like a one in ten ogres ogres In the zombie unit. There we go. That's what it is. Sure. All right feel super confident about that You know being that you predicted which is gonna tie into a separate news item later But being that you've predicted vampires for every single thing Ever hey, hey, I you know, it's it, you know, like I'm just doubling down I understand six months of these predictions. I can't wait to see what actually is and isn't We're all we're all wondering Paul you got any other thoughts anything else um You know, I'm gonna say I feel like it's something Not directly a OS Okay, it's just my general feel whether it's something for war cry for underworlds The thing that for some reason came to mind was blood bowl Okay, like blood bowls been a thing lately. Yeah so Usually those guys don't carry around weapons, but I don't know blood bowls full of weird stuff. So Yeah, that's my guess is blood bowl ogre Okay Uh, well time will tell as with always this is one of those very frustrating but but wonderful rumor engines that you know Exactly what it is right like sometimes we get the rumor engines where you're like, I have no idea what I'm even looking at here uh, this is a Uh, this is a rumor engine where you're looking at it going. Well, I know exactly what it is And it tells me nothing It's it's really better at those they they like to throw those out of us. Yeah, indeed indeed All right, uh cool beans. What's next? Um, but pre-release broken realms like all the broken realm things Yes, which I love that that came out. So we got the announcement on sunday. Obviously the broken realms is going to be going on Pre-release this saturday Which is great. I also love that we spent A good five minutes. It seemed like a million minutes last show with you Struggling over predicting the exact release date of these for them to just go. It's now it now is the release date So that was fun Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy. I was dead on dead on with the uh, the boxes Sure, yes. Yeah, I mean, let's talk about what all we know. So we've got obviously, uh, broken realms the morathi book itself Goes on pre-order this week as does uh shadow and Pain or whatever the heck it's called. Uh, the slanesh dock Box, which is great. Uh, and then yes, you're right. We're so we're getting new quote unquote Uh, oh did somebody say no apron? No, I absolutely have an apron I have my apron on as always. Um the, uh All of the boxes that we saw in those pictures that you said are going to be getting started boxes We're getting started boxes. We have seen prices for them. It's basically exactly what we would expect Most of them are 90. I think the stormcast one is a hundred dollars because it contains a little more stuff Uh, by the way, that stormcast one doesn't seem like a bad deal at all Uh, like the lord veritan 10 judicators Six griff hounds Three castigators and then there's just like another griff hound in there. What was the other griff hound? Because it goes with the castigators Oh, do they come with one too automatically in the box? Yep. Oh, okay. I didn't know castigators came with one in the box. Okay, cool. Yep. There you go I knew veritan came with one so and obviously the six pack is just the box of griffys I added value Yay Yeah, so that one's like a hundred bucks. The other ones are exactly what we said it was going to be, you know Three chariot exactly with the pictures said so Three chariots or the seahorse king and two sharks Or the sorceress on black dragon and 10 dark shards slash 10 dreads veers So and those last three are all 90 bucks. So Uh, yeah Good good stuff All good deals price wise those are actually all quite reasonably priced so way to not Way to not miss on this one I guess after seeing a couple of times where our pricing was perhaps a bit higher than we would have liked Yeah, I'll say it. I saw these prices and I love it except for the collector's edition book Like I mean it's 80 bucks for that collector's edition book Probably not No, they're gonna have to start like doing something with collector's editions books if you want us to buy things that are That are special in some way Yeah, like slip case or special models or something Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like metal tokens. I don't know something but give me a reason to care Because I mean I'll buy the limited edition for whatever for like my main armies No matter what just because you want to flex if it's your main army, right? Uh But lore books but lore books. Yeah. Hmm. That's gonna be a pass for me dog Uh, okay So, uh, yeah, and we've seen some rules fun-looking stuff The storm cast chamber can take cities units as a one and four So they're like a reverse cities of sigmar basically. Yep. Yeah Which looks cool. Um, the new cobra kai temple Uh in there looked Okay, still not Yeah, it looked okay. The problem is it's up against hagnar. So hopefully somehow that gets fixed too Uh, like I I suspect It's going to be very competitive wink, wink Okay, that's what I'll say Oh, yeah, wait with the wrong eye. There we go. Okay. All right. I didn't wink. I just like Emote wing. Sure. Uh, yeah Paul, did you see anything in any of the rules previews or anything like that that you thought that that caught Your eye be it in the shadow and pain preview from today or from the larger preview yesterday I know you're you like the cities of sigmar and such Yeah, I mean, I thought it was cool that You know, you're gonna be able to take, you know, a storm cast chamber and use cities of sigmar, but It it doesn't seem like there's anything Broken in doing that. Like there there's like I can't think of a reason to do that um Because all of your tools that you would use to make cities stuff abusive is Like not available if you're in a storm cast allegiance so Like, you know, you're not gonna Like soul screen bridge 30 iron drakes across the board when you're Casting it on a seven right because you don't have the the sort of we always get all the max benefits or whatever a thing Yes, but you could mix in some other stuff. There are spell storm cast Eternal spell casting bonuses actually like not to like Like especially malt like you have star drakes. You have the item like there are actually like tools to jack that bonus up Yeah, I think the biggest thing is I think it's It's good for storm cast in that it's gonna give them access To cheap quantities of bodies. Sure. Yeah, sure. Yeah, so I think we may end up seeing them get used kind of like how people were using chaos marauders for a while as like Like when they were using mercenary companies and like you know throwing a bunch of marauders into um Oh into beast claw and having bodies all of a sudden Yeah, yeah, I mean the obviously the things that caught my eye were There's now multiple ways to gather to give extra attacks to snakes Clearly, there's a big snake focus in here. Obviously my love of the daughter's cane is mainly snake focused And so I'm excited to see them trying to make that good. I know what snakes can do when you give them three crystal touches per They can actually do some work Which it seems like you can now you can the trick is you've got to make the malusia iron scale fight first She has like this beast lord style rule, which is Rough, but we'll see. Uh, the point is I like where they're going Right, they're putting a lot of effort into making the snakes and the harpies a more Uh, valid sort of part of the army. Yeah And so Yeah, I'm okay with that Right Yeah, that's cool The you know the trick with the the city's people in stormcast Armies is we don't know really What's going to apply to the city's people and not yet because we've only seen that little snippet And in the snippet it specifically says like the command abilities When when you use a command ability out of one of your stormcast The city's people count as stormcast eternals just those they absorb those two keywords For that which basically means they can get the plus one to hit or a couple of the battle shock immunity ones Not bad like big battle shock immune 40 man blocks is a good thing But that's kind of on characters that aren't really used right now as tom pointed out. But again, who knows Uh Yeah, like there's so what i'll say is this Um, you don't get a lot like there's only two command abilities and all the stormcast eternal armies that are actually going to like be usable Um, one is the plus one to hit one is the battle shock bubble Um, I think what you're going to see is a bunch of power pairs get imported in Sure I mean that's the obvious sort of combo, right? You're bringing in two things now If you can get like a wizard or a priest in there arguably right now They would get at least from what we've seen they would arguably get the storm cast spells or prayers Right So like one power pair that I think would be really strong would be a block of you know iron drakes Like a full horde block of iron drakes with the room priests backing them because again right now based on the wording Which let me affirm like it really is the wording uh the You're gonna get a um You're gonna get a bonus prayer right now with that room priest and and and the way that it's worded you get both the Sigma prayer and the room priest prayer now that'll probably be faq But the way that it's currently worded. That's how it works. Sure Yeah, so at any rate, I'm excited about a lot of the rule stuff. We've seen obviously as with anything of those Uh, we'll need to figure it out like we need we need to wait to see the whole thing before we before we truly evaluate So that's fine Okay, cool Uh, right on anything else broken realms, uh, Marathi book like what's going on prayer this weekend Now that we have this we're gonna be talking about the future of the broken realms tonight Not as much what's coming in the Marathi book because we'll have that in the next you know I'm so excited Absolutely. Yeah I think we all are this is like this is the most excited I've been for a book in at least three weeks I say that because you know an army book that I just really wanted for five years came out so Yeah, I mean that tracks aside from that aside from that okay Also, who who which one of you has some kind of smoke detector? I need to address this It's not me. Sorry Paul you're killing me. All right at some moment. I'm gonna mute you you're gonna stand up You're gonna pull the battery out of your smoke detector and come back That's gonna happen here The problem is that I can't um, I don't even know why it's chirping because it's one of the ones that's wired into the house Wiring But no, it probably still has a backup battery. Most of them do. Yeah, they usually do And once that runs down, it's the most annoying thing But that's probably what's going on. Yes. All right, we'll deal with it. We'll deal with it Although like 50 people have mentioned it in the comments paul. I want you to know Uh, so, you know at some point this is a great way to not get that 12th appearance. Yeah, exactly 13 but yes uh Paul might need to mute himself when he's not actively talking that might be the solution here. We have to minimize the peeps Or I'll just mute paul. Hold on. Let me see if I can mute him Mute paul conty for everyone in the paul. Yep. Ha there boom. Ha. I muted you paul Behold my power Behold it Okay, neat paul can still unmute the whole the power sigma. Uh-huh So that's fine. I'm pretty sure he can unmute himself Yes At any rate, uh, cool. What's next in the news? Yep. See there he is. He's back. Hi, paul. Welcome back Uh New bugman model Yeah, yeah, yeah Bugman as long as descendant in the mortal realms Uh, joseph or jake jake bugman the 11th or something like jake a bugman son Yes, bugman son the 11th. I think he was the 11th, right? Yes, that sounds right. Um, I and I love that. He's ko because like I actually have the drunken bud bugman um from uh like forge world That he's passed out on the deck of my iron flat Nice And so now I get to add like a foot version as well. I'm so stoked. Nice. Nice Uh, yeah, cool model. I like that. He comes with both a ko head and sort of his normal head Yeah, uh, so that's cool. Uh, I thought both look good Yeah So, yeah, I don't have much to say about it dwarves aren't my thing They look great like Yeah, do we know if he's actually getting rules though? Or is he just a special edition model? No, he's just special edition. I don't know. I think he'll get rules. I imagine he'll give him rules. Yeah. Yeah Like I'm I'm in if they do I don't think they're going to though Well as as uh, man dolly's pointed out in the chat the red gobo got 40k rules Okay, like um, and the white dwarf did he get I have no idea I don't remember. None of these things have ever registered to me because they're all dwarves It's really a problem that that that the sort of iconic model of this game that I love is a dwarf a model that I hate so Yeah, it makes me laugh. I'm not gonna lie. Let's go back to harry the hammer. That's when we had it correct Uh, that's that was that that was the right iconic model Pass hard pass. Um, oh, there you go. Yes, uh, the article talked about him bolstering nearby troops So there you go. So he'll have some rules Uh, it's a morale buff. Congratulations. Yeah, everybody's plus one to bravery Get get in line low tan Uh plus one to bravery and I'm trying to let me construct the worst but like let me construct the normal way ko rules are written So people hold it in. Hold on. Hold on. I'll get there. Okay Non garrisoned units wholly within eight inches of bugman Get plus one bravery and can reroll hit rolls of one Uh on range on on missile weapon attacks against flying monsters Um and the bonus to morale is only if there's no enemy units within three inches. Sure. Sure. There we go Now we've written ko rules Okay Sounds about right All right, good stuff. Uh, yeah, so he's cool. Good thing. Uh What's next? Um So there's like free objective markers Like I don't know what else to call it. Sure You can get your free objective markers if you spend a hundred dollars at the gw store and every month that you spend a hundred dollars They're gonna give you a different one. Um, the first one is a murathi one, which I'm not gonna lie It's really sexy So it has the warhammer logo on one side and the murathi symbol on the other I know but it could be an objective marker It could and they tell you when you get six of them, which is sort of their standard number for objective markers They'll even give you a little fine carrying case Yeah, after six hundred dollars after six hundred dollars you you earn a carrying case Okay, look, I appreciate. Oh, by the way, they'll also give you a free model if you visit like everybody You can get up to one free model a month like this week. They're this month. They're giving me wrong I'll take free which else like That is a six dollar model. That's true. Um Okay, let's talk about this First I don't the free model thing. That's cool. And I like that they'll do painting glasses and stuff like yeah, great Okay, fine. And they specifically said look, we know a lot of stores are closed right now You know, that's no problem. You you we everybody gets to hold their thing And then, you know, if you if you restore it within two months, then they'll have all the coins they're waiting for you and blah, blah, blah, blah Okay, fine, whatever The model giveaway is cool painting classes is cool. Which elves are cool? Fine. Okay, all great This coin thing Get out of here. What are we doing? What is this? What is this It needs an info It needs an infomercial. Yes, this is like what like buying collectors coins Something you would hear like late at night on uh an infomercial. Yeah, that's what this feels like Yeah checks out the The war hammer mint presents this fine series of gold four carat plated coins like No, no, no, no No, no No, okay This is silly This is absolutely silly. I don't know No No, I like this blows this boggles my mind. I can't even wrap my head around this one. Okay. Let's go back to the 1990s and in the 90s Especially in the late 90s when you went to a store and you bought uh You bought stuff you bought war hammer stuff You got basically the equivalent of sort of a little punch card like a buy 10 subs get a sub three type of thing You got points, right? and Eventually those points added up to you could be redeemed for like free models of various and sundry types now I will point out on the top of that list the top of that whole list Was a bane blade tank Okay This is this was like the biggest most insane impressive Model in the universe in 1998. It was madness that this thing that you would own this thing Okay, it was the thundershot gunship of its time. Yep, and Nobody actually got enough points to get the bane blade, but that didn't matter Okay, it was on there You felt like you were actually every time you bought something you were like, well, I'm getting closer Okay, I I could if I just spend and then you're like doing the math You're like, oh my god, if I spend another six thousand dollars, I'll get a free bane blade, but that doesn't matter Okay, it still felt like you could change because there were other models you could change it in for along the way Right. There was other stuff you could redeem it for that you would want right Coins coins Coins coins. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, there you go. C. W. Krinscher said I know a dude who got one of those bane blades That's amazing. Somebody actually got one. There's at least one Okay And I just put out a program like that again That's I mean, maybe there's some kind of tax law That prevents this because I know a lot of times they have to be careful with stuff like this Uh, but it feels like there'd be some way you could sneak around it to make it work Like you get to trade in your points for for gw goofball dollars and then the goofball dollars can become Go get funneled through a different currency like you play this weird shell game until you're not Gambling or doing whatever you're you're doing anymore and then you're fine and then boom Anyways, okay way too much time spent on coins. Uh Who cares and you critiqued me For my conversation on release dates, uh because that was a solid conversation right there. Okay. That's um, that's what that was Not me going back and forth with myself for two seconds 20 minutes on you. You just get For 10 minutes. That's fine. What's April? It was a solid rant. Thank you. That's right. That's right Rants are meant to be long. Okay, uh last bit of news That's right folks. It's finally time People have asked for it. You wanted it. You got it. Well, assumingly I guess Uh, so if you look down in the description of this video, you will see there is now a merch store link That's right. We have forever weekly themed merchandise. It's very simple right now. There are four different designs uh one of them is the Uh, is is tom and I doing our tinfoil hat thing with uh, it's vampirates hashtag vampirates So if you want to rep the vampirates prediction You too can now get Tom and I's little cartoon characters on a t-shirt with the vampirates thing And I don't think we've ever released that image like that was that was in the original set that we commissioned from stonemunk Yeah, but I don't know that's ever been released. Yeah, we've never used that one So yes, this is actually the first time that we've we've used this uh, this particular image We've got a couple other images like that in that clutch that we never used so and and you want the totally vampirates Hashtag vampirates hashtag vampirates. There you go. Yes. So there's one for tom one for me one for just the generic warhammer weekly and then of course uh There's a uh, uh vampire a hashtag vampirates thing So there you go. The merch is there. I'll be adding More to it As time goes once I think of you know additional designs I am gonna work with some art folks to get some more images commissioned and stuff like that because I want to get some more cool Images done. So we'll get there uh and Yeah, so there you go. That's that's merch is happening folks It's there that store is now there and we'll be there and I'll add and once the once the vampirates eventually come out All, you know, we'll retire designs and add new ones and stuff like that So and we're not like these are only closed right now. It's not cups. Not dice none of that yet. Um What I would say is that uh It uh We are not making money off this like yeah, I tried to set these at like very very The like basically some of the lowest margins They would allow me to set it at so that it's just so we can get to you as cheap as possible So yeah, like if you go and look Compare us to like most other content producers and then emerge on this website on teespring I can assure you Uh, we're probably cheaper because we're just we're because we're doing this because people have asked Like we're not this isn't this is not us. Um, you know like making bank Yeah, because one thing to note is all of these are like the best Version of what they had so I mean like it's always the premium shirt the nicest cotton the premium hoodies or anything like that We always use the I mean, yes, it's always teespring making the money. I'm sure they're fine. Which is fine I don't care. Whatever that they're doing all this work. It's fine. They facilitate this. So I don't care um The like we didn't want to put out crappy t-shirts. So we picked all the nicest stuff they had Hence the margin. Okay. Anyways enough of that. There you go. You can check it out I hope you all enjoy it that merch link will be in all the videos Um, we will be trying to do some other offerings too. I wanted to start simple here Okay, but yes, I'll eventually look at like aprons and mugs and other stuff like that some of those require unique designs Um, I had to put all of these on white I'll the reason because is all of the art assets I have right now are white around them Right. So like I don't have just I don't have like a knockout image of the characters yet Um, if I can get some knockout images that don't have a background, then I can drop them onto black and stuff like that so more to come For right now, it's just white shirts because Our designs all have like a white square or white stuff around them So if you put it on like a gray shirt, it looks really dumb because there's a big white square in the middle Uh, the Warhammer weekly commemorative points are coming. Absolutely. Yes You can clearly tell that Vince loves them. Absolutely All right, uh Cool, I think that's all our news Let's talk about some pick of the week pull. What do you got man? What do you want to share with everybody? um, I will somewhat shamelessly self promote um, uh and prognosticate you to the future since we are Talking about the future this evening. Um, I'm going to be doing a show with AOS coach, uh, we're recording it on friday. I don't know when he's gonna release it though. Um But we're gonna be talking about Nurgle for a while and some Nurgle lists and All of those fun things that make Vince want to throw up Fantastic. Well, if it's with coach, then I'll watch it Paul you're not I mean you're you I could go I could I could take it and leave it but with coach. I've got to show up And he's got the beard that's it is that beard. It is glorious. No doubt about it Uh, no, I I think he's already scheduled it. So I should be able to actually grab the link for it So I'll go grab it and share it in the chat below or in the description below fantastic Uh, wonderful tom. What do you want to share with everybody? Yeah, you know, I haven't mentioned this in a long time. So I'm going to mention it again. Um Vince and I are on a Uh twitch stream on meff's twitch stream and we do some role playing occasionally Um for soulbound for a os soulbound and so I want to spruke that show Yeah, that heck yeah, man. That's been a good game recently. It's a lot of fun It's still going strong ish And so, uh, I would encourage you guys, uh, we should have a new stream up This friday probably. Yep, that's right so Come check it out nice My spruke is going to be very simple. So for those that this is going to be a purely miniature painting one So for those who know the cult of paint, uh, andy and henry Over in the uk. They are running a Kickstarter right now Called, uh, I'm sure I'm going to mispronounce it because it feels like some kind of Welsh Celtic word, but it's like duerregard I don't know whatever. Anyways, it's a it's full of amazing miniatures Like if you're a fan of elves of some really sweet elf designs, they do them in multiple scales So you can get them actually in in uh, Warhammer scales as well There are busts included too, but they also have the bigger scales like display model size scales If you haven't seen these yet. I mean they're They're mind-blowingly good elf sculpts. There's like a samurai elf tom. Have you seen any of these? I have not Oh my god, dude You need to see this like samurai elf thing who has this giant You would love this dude. He's got like this giant ridiculous like no-dushy type sword. He's like holding over his shoulder It's amazing. I think it reminds me of a character you played once like I'm pretty sure at some point You played an elf with a no-dushy. I seem to remember this. I'm pretty sure that's a thing. Yeah I'd have to look back through my character folio, but Yeah, so um at any rate uh Yes, uh, it's it's super great the Kickstarter still has Some more time to it. They've unlocked a lot of stuff. Um Just one awesome thing that this is the dumbest little thing, but it made me real excited So one of the things you can get in that's in in their Kickstarter is a plinth that's built like it's it's a solid plinth But it has a background built into it So if anybody's looked at my display pieces, you'll know I frequently use backgrounds Which I do by like taking a piece of plastic card and then gluing it to the back of a normal plinth They actually have this beautiful uh infinite angled Plinth that just runs up so you can do it all at once. So just super cool stuff. Um door regard do e r G a r d I think or something like that. Uh, hold on. I'll get the exact spelling. I'm sure I'm screwing that up d e o d e o r g a r d there you go. Yes e o d d o regard. I don't know. Like I said, it's probably a Celtic or Welsh word or something It's great. Um, so there you go. Uh, okay So, uh That's our pick of the week. Check it out Check check check check check it out. Uh, you can you check it out y'all. That's right. Let's talk hobby time Paul, what are you working on right now? I View a couple viewers have asked and some smart. I have some smart viewer. Those are sharp eyes. I've noticed Yeah, working on glockin. There he is Hmm Yeah, have you played much with him paul? I have not actually played him yet I can tell you're painting him I think that's harsh. I think glockin super fun, especially at his current points value I mean, I have played against him several times. He often shows up at my table I have played him many times And I've been disappointed most of them look Now that was That was at a higher point value too. That was at like 60 higher points or something Yeah, but I mean, you're not gonna fit a whole lot into that point change. So I don't know maybe we'll see Oh, I mean, I guess the question is is he not a gorgeous model? He is I love my like I love my glockin Can you be a true? Child of nergal if you do not have your glockin ready to go regardless of whether or not he's hitting the table answer No, it would be like saying I'm into nergal and having zero great unclean ones It just wouldn't you'd be like you're not into that into nergal Yeah, yeah, that's what I just said. You're not into nergal. You're a poser That's it. Tom Basically have a slaves to darkness army not a nergal army. I know you're a poser. You're here at nergal poser Just in the slaves to darkness. That's all it is Yeah, you didn't get like the real play. You just like got a cold right some sniffles They've got the sniffles All right, uh, I assume you're doing the guys on top separate there paul is just a A quote unquote sub assembly Yeah, absolutely. They are They come off very very easily. I'm tempted to actually magnetize them. But um, yeah, they come off easily enough and uh, they Would be awkward to paint around so right there's no reason not to they just stand so easily I mean it's like the mega boss on maw crush if you've ever painted that Whenever you've got a model where it's just somebody literally standing on their mount You know, they're not really attached in any complicated way. There's just no reason And they're fully assembled Separately it's just like, oh, okay. I guess I'll just paint these separately because who cares Yeah, so that's fine Uh, all right, tom. What are you been working on man? Has the storm cast work continued? I mean I put some paint on him. All right. That's good And uh, and I'm also, you know what I'll announce this. That's fine I am working on a narrative campaign Yeah, this is definitely counting as hobby time So I am Wanting to design a narrative campaign Set of rules that can both guide like a local league like a weekend week out league Um, or it could be used to do a as the framework for an event um and It will be a it'll be like what would happen if um Firestorm had a baby with blood or blood in the badlands And Had a minor tryst with more time Okay Yeah, especially describe this the system and so I'm working on that and I'm doing some design for it and then I'm going to do some refinement And then there will be some other future stuff that we'll announce associated with it. Yeah, that's right This is definitely hobby time like that is 100 hobby time tom that does 100 count I've looked over your your document you shared so lots of thoughts Yeah, it's going to be good. Uh, I like where your head's at with this stuff. Okay You know, I just want to throw something out there. Please for you know, some people that might feel like they're You know, it because they can't get to the paint table They're You know, they're not hobbying I I would consider list building hobbying too. Oh man, I've never stopped If you're in the bathroom taking a dump and you're stirring around with more scroll builder You're hobbying you're still here. You're with us. You're one of us You're keeping the mojo flowing That is the key. So, um And I'm sure other things too. I mean even I think just really like devoting good thought to what you're working on or lists or combinations of things like You don't have to necessarily be at your hobby desk or You know something like that or playing a game to be You know hobbying Like no, there's a lot of aspects to all of this Firm disagree, but that's fine. I understand Hobby is hobby paint Why aren't you painting? Okay Uh, so at any rate, but no, I get it. It is like certainly that is a valid part of the overall hobby Because it is something where a lot of people really do take a great amount of joy in the engagement and list building Especially you you disgusting Johnny types Uh, so, you know, both of which you are Both of you are Which now that doesn't work. Anyways for myself, uh, I'm working on my uh, fifth Giant I have the six when he's over there be actually behind the screen Drying behind a light under a light because they're the flesh is all done in in oil paints and stuff So that takes some time. So I dry them with a light bulb And uh, this one's this one's real fun because he's got his little derpy face mask on He's got the big dumb face from the chaos guy. I just love the face on this guy He makes me smile every time I look at him Uh, so and this dude I did record a entire tutorial for with every step of my conversions Uh along the way So like every crazy conversion I did with him I walked you through like how and why and how I got there So I'll put out a video for you know doing Heavy conversions on a model Uh, so Yeah, this is fun I will tell you right now if you like goo it features goo heavily that sprue goo is all over the video Get ready for the goo The um The uh But that guy's so that'll be done soon the sixth baby will be done and then all that's waiting I have both of my megas converted. They're sitting behind me right now And uh, yeah, the big boys are back there ready to go Not two of them and that'll be the whole like that'll be 2000 points I suspect I'll pick up one more mega that way I can run like a insane three mega situation if I want to Uh, but that'll give me some good balance. What's that? Or swap them out for different types. Oh Learning them to the point that they're unrecognizable. They're unrecognizable I have signifiers of of all of them on there. So All everyone has signifiers of all three so I can say they're whatever Right And it's there you go so Easy enough Uh at any rate, uh So, yeah, I'm excited about those. I'll be glad to have the little babies done Uh, because that that'll give me the full the full clutch of six babies six baby giants And I don't think I'd ever run an army with nine babies. So I'm good with that And that'll be I mean, there's it's not really an army where you're going to end up with 10 000 points for much of a reason Unless you just really enjoy painting the big megas because Why Right like You it's too it's too school. It's two scrolls basically, right? So it's not scaven where I have 10 000 points of scaven because Because there's 60 scrolls, you know, and you could run any I could be running it every week for the next eight weeks and never run the same unit. So Uh, that's just not the case here anyways Uh, you are gonna paul. I want you to know you're gonna drive tristan and zane. I want you to know that Uh, so Yes. Yes You know, I Am a firm advocate of slowly eroding everyone's mental health Up there it is again. So I am uh, just contributing That's fine. I'm contributing to the unwellness of 2020 is the battery within reach if you go over and touch the thing Can you stand up and and touch it? I probably can You should go over there and pull the battery out. I'm just saying make it nice on our view. Well, it's wired So I don't know that'll affect me. Thank you. I think you actually You might have to actually switch the battery because otherwise it'll just go nuts Well, that'd be a worse world. Although it wouldn't matter to me any if he was on mute Uh, it might matter to his wife or something if she's sleeping There's just two floors up. All right So, uh at any rate Let's get into the main topic tonight. Shall we let's talk about some broken realms Uh Okay Here we go. So we know we've got Marathi coming where I want to start with this Is multiple people have said please go try Paul. By the way, I do want you to know this is a popular request Would you like to give a moment while while we do this? Would you like to go mess with it for a second? Of the 309 viewers, I'm just saying some people have some people have asked Would you like to go mess with Paul and make our viewers happy? I mean I could you could probably I'm not wearing any pants. Ah, well that is a problem. Uh drop your camera then too No, I'm kidding. Uh, I will see For the viewers this this is gonna be riveting riveting youtube. That's okay. I'm gonna set this up So you've got a moment. I'm gonna set up what we're gonna talk about So you've got a minute to go over there So go ahead and I the broken nor realms discuss. There you go. All right, you go We're gonna mute Paul Just in case it does go insane So we can't hear the chaos It'd be so amazing. All right. Yes So broken realms. We know we're getting Marathi. We know it's gonna be largely focusing on her Move into godhood And we know that it's going to feature five different factions as we've talked about Well the The uh table contents have been spoiled by them as well. Haven't they the table of contents have been spoiled So we know there's some big major moves happening like we know that They cease to exist. I don't think that's what's actually gonna happen But yes, we know that there is a very large confrontation happening in anvil guard Yes, uh releasing the table of contents was like Do you remember when they released the Like Tom, do you remember the lead up to the phantom menace? Do you remember how insane the world was? I do? Yes, I do. Do you remember how? Oh, uh two weeks before the phantom menace came out. They released a soundtrack to the phantom menace And there was a baller. There was a track on it called the death of kwaik on jinn And they're like You can unmute yourself no Paul He's slain the beast Nice nice. There you go Beautiful you're everyone's hero. I love it. We've come back to fire marshal But you know, yeah You're a successful hunter. So like from the Seaming table of contents. Can I spoil it? Since it's like out there they put it out there publicly. Yeah But like but but should we spoil it for our viewers if they don't want to save it. Let's not we won't directly do it So stops happen. Yes realms are going to be broken and Uh, the world will never be the same. They're making some big moves. We also got a single story Which was all about something about gorka morca coming back vaguely Yes before the show. I went back. I have the malign Portons collected fiction. Of course you do. I went back and reread that Sure, and then I read the forbidden power stories as well. Okay Yep, and First of all, there weren't that many forbidden power stories. I'll just say that Yep, um There was a lot more malign sorcery. Yep The forbidden power stories all pretty much tied into something but often in weird ways So for example, there's a story in forbidden power where the scaven accidentally gnaw hole Into one of the the storm vaults Right, okay And they get Then like launching the soul seeker comes by and kills a scaven and like that's the whole story Okay Great, and so I like yes that was That mentioned that like launches in there and it mentioned a storm vault But overall it's not like forbidden power had some huge scaven focus Right, right. So you'll often see races participating in these stories or species For example, if you crack malign sorcery, the earth and malign portents one, the first story is just about a troll eating things That's it and that that obviously malign sorcery did not have really anything to do with With we got blue side at the launch of it. I mean Ish sure Uh so My point being that These don't have to necessarily tie in Directly what I saw was that there's a lot of stories that didn't directly relate to anything specific About what the release was right But did sort of tie in it was more that they all tied in thematically In some way, okay Uh in the same way we had, you know, marathi with the little spy or whatever leading up to that time Yep Anyways, okay So what do I want to start with? Let's start with the simplest question. You ready? Yes Ring a ding ding Let's predict a thing. Here we go How many broken realms books? Will there be question one And then we're gonna name them Okay, we're gonna talk about what they are so Paul how many you don't have to do the names yet. I'll give you a moment to think about that. Paul, how many broken realms books are there going to be? Uh, I am going to go with five Okay, what what is your justification for five? Uh, there are 24 armies in age of sigma are currently um, and We're getting five different armies represented in this one book So if you just kind of divide that out that would tell you that you would cover all of the armies with five books if you stick to Five book or five armies per book. Okay All right Got it perfectly reasonable. Tom Where are you coming down? I don't know. Um psychic awakening. I only had three okay Psychic awakening you talking about the 40k thing. Yeah, I didn't have three. No, I didn't want that a lot more than that Um, maybe it was a novel only had three. Oh that could very well be I have no idea what goes on with black library But no psychic awakening had a lot of books Yep Um, I mean the question is is how I think that the like I'll say this way I think it'll wrap up by next summer. I feel comfortable about that. Sure. And so, uh, I am gonna predict That we'll have five um as well And I think we'll get an early january release of february I think that in like they'll stagger like early to late occasionally So we'll get like probably six weeks of releases in between something like that. Okay. Okay. That's what i'm predicting So that it'll push right up to like a month before the launch of new aos So i'm gonna i'm gonna lay down a Yeah, I mean if so psychic awakening So just just to clarify I went and looked to see what there were. So here's your psychic awakening books. You ready? Yep, phoenix rising faith and fury ritual the damned blood of ball the greater good war of the spider saga of the beast Uh engine war and pariah Wow nine. I think I got them all That's that's that that is bold Okay Yeah, so Uh All right. Here's here's my argument. Yep. I think there are going to like originally paul. I was doing the same math you were Okay, because that's sort of the logical answer, right? I don't I think you're I think you know when you just look at that it's It's like, okay That makes sense. They're gonna keep dividing them up like this The problem is is that gw never does the completely The completely logical thing Sure, okay They are they are left turn the company right So I think there is going to be at least six All right And let me tell you why I think that Uh, it'll it'll come it'll it'll become more obvious when we get into sort of the how these books are going to trot out in my mind Yep But They will repeat armies Ooh Did they do that in psychic awakening? No, but psychic awakening was a little different. It was kind of less stuff per it was only like two armies per book and it was slightly different Okay So They will repeat armies is my is my supposition Okay Specifically armies that will repeat I'll I'll I'll go farther. Here are the armies that will likely repeat cities stormcast chaos Specifically chaos any but specifically probably slaves to darkness Because they seem to have two goals with this content Okay One goal is We're going to use this as an opportunity to patch armies that need patches Right, we all agree with that Yeah, okay, but that's not their only goal. That's not what's directing this what's ultimately directing this is they want to tell the story Focusing as we go around the mortal realms and important things happen And these things are going to tend to focus around areas where we are going to care and be invested in the story And that's going to be where cities stormcast and chaos meet Right, namely in the cities or something like that You know now not all of them have to be like that Okay You can have like you could have one that focuses mainly on death That's happening, you know in or around Nagash's black pyramid or something like that right That features none of those people I just talked about could be like a pure destruction and death play They've done that before um, but the But they will use this opportunity that because those are such anchor points for our experience of the world and because each of them are so Limits limitlessly expandable and here's what I mean this first stormcast one. What are we seeming to focus on? Storm keeps. Yeah, these storm keeps and vanguard stuff, right? A lot of stuff like shooty stuff shooty stuff. That's already probably out there Okay, no, I mean it storm keeps Fair that's fine. My point is you're not going to cover all the stormcast in one thing Okay, like there will probably be another storm cast thing where they talk about the Where where we get like the focus for the drake off and you know, all of that got though that whole Release, right and they play around with that stuff. You'll get other cities somewhere along the line Like I guarantee you well, I won't guarantee it. I have a strong inclination that miss tovan and uh And whatever the other city is Are not the last time we're going to see new city rules. Why why would it be? Right Yes, I could see them revisiting other cities Um, but I don't think they're going to revisit stormcast Why so? I just have a feeling Okay I see I disagree, but all right. I'm I'm interested um What I'll say is that I think that I think that what we're going to get with the first book is going to be blanket stormcast and I think that we're going to get a new stormcast book comes like july And so I don't think that we're going to get a bunch of doses of stormcast throughout the this set of releases I just don't I do definitely agree. We're going to get a new Stormcast book. Yes. We'll get to that in a moment Also shout out to goops who's in the uh in the chat. What's up goops? How's everybody doing? Good to see you brother uh All right Let's do the fun thing You set a number of books. What's the next book? What's book two book two? Here we go folks. What is book? dose poll Oh god, um If I gave you a lot of time to think about this You did you gave me all kinds of notice. Um book two um You know, I am gonna go out on a limb and say malikath You're a madman, but okay. You're malarian. I assume you mean right? Oh, yeah malarian. I know I get it. Yeah Yeah, it It just seems like that might be a Natural way the story would go Mm-hmm where you're working with other related people and how they're going to be Impacted by whatever marathi's up to Okay, right on right on Tom What's your book two call? uh gorka morca Is it actually gorka morca? It is it's gorka morca. See because I think it's book two gordrack It might be gordrack, but um, I think gorka morca is more interesting Yeah, I just don't think it will because I don't think they're gonna make a gorka morca model I would love if they did boy that we talked before about the gorka morca model. We'd love to see Uh, give me that big boy stopping around the world. We do know that they're gonna mix in some models Right sure They are And they officially announced that Well, they're there's gonna be some model releases. I think that they've alluded to that Yeah, I agree because they the first one aligns with the If you think about the way they stacked the first one they stuck it with the release of shadow and pain Right, so they basically got the free New silenash and the new malusai iron scale, but specifically the iron scale to really align Right, let me say it this way. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a dual box with every book That's a bold claim, but it wouldn't surprise me. I think that's there's no way I mean, hey, I I'd love to see that but I doubt highly. I just don't think they can chunk out those many of those I mean like in the first six months of um Of 2019 we got like three Three or four. Yeah, sure. Sure. So like I I think that it's I think it's viable Because we had the silenash dual release. We had the um the skaven flesh eater ports Um, well the the the one you're talking about the corn silenash when that was 2018 Was it was because it came out like way in advance. It was a holiday release in the year before Yeah, it doesn't matter. I understand. Yes. There were many boxes, right? Yes. We've had many dual boxes Let me say it that way. I think they'll here's here's what I would say I disagree with they'll put out a dual box where I think you're correct Is they will put out a release To tie in with all of these books. Sure. So it's either going to be the new army Yes, or They'll get our yeah, or dual box or get these getting started like snapshot packs Oh, we're gonna get these getting started snapshot packs. Like this is this is happening. Yeah, the limited release things Yes, we're gonna get some of those and it'll be fine. It'll be great For every battalion that you end up seeing in here or a lot of them not everyone A lot of them you're gonna see these these bundles and it'll be good Like it'll be like I love getting discount models But I think it'll be a destruction focused book too if I were to guess I I completely agree with you and and here's my justification Okay, so I went back and looked at I thought a lot about the end times release structure. Yep. Yep. Okay Book one in the end times isn't a gosh, right? And it sets into motion All of the actual big plays that are going to happen in the end times. Yep, right Yep, then book two Is nergal Right. It's the spoil. It's a weird spoiler Right Yeah, and it doesn't actually have much to do With the rest of the story With the broader story other than other things that are moving in shaking Yeah, it's just like nergal comes in he messes up the empire. He messes up some bartonian people like You know, there's some fighting and the empire is on its on its back, right? He's softening up the empire Yep, but it's not actually that we don't really advance the overarching overarching narrative that much in book two Correct It isn't until kane when things hit overdrive like kane. Thank well archaeoners like these like massive escalations, right? Ulthuan is sinking and elves are becoming murder gods and You know, uh, the moon is crashing into the world and like yeah, like things are escalating. Okay Yep And So we know that So like whether if they're gonna do six of these books, they don't want to ramp it too fast The first story they put out was a destruction focused story about orcs. They clearly called out to gorka morca, right? Yeah Destruction has a lot of room for potential improvement Yeah, right. So you could put out it as you could put out a gourd rack book and you could touch multiple destruction factions and help them out Yeah, and only that that's also why Uh, that's why the storm cast can't actually aid what's happening with morathi Sure, because they're too busy dealing with this nonsense as gourd rack is like knocking down excelsius's door or whatever Yep. Yep, and that's exactly I think the the answer is I think the reason why we don't see The the a significant aid to um You know to stop the destruction of censored whatever place, um I think that Um, I think the reason why sigmar can't intervene there is because he's tied up with destruction elsewhere Yeah, that's completely fair and and so I think that would be a way to advance but take baby steps And they wouldn't have to focus on advancing the overall narrative that much Right, right. They'll just show other chaos. Like here's another example of the realms breaking apart Yeah, right. Yep and Destruction by the by could also give them a chance to to dip on storm cast again early Just pointing that out if they do like if they do that That would be fine They could um They could also touch a uh They could also touch another chaos faction in there pretty easily Like they could touch corn in that one really simple Right, it'd be so easy to make to have corn be a part of this You could also have uh, you could also have uh, uh, scaven be a part of it. Sure So that's why I think you'll get that book next. I also think you could get excelsis in there too You know, like if if if that's really where this war is taking place Um, that's a shoe in You know, because we know this one ties into catacombs because there's the on the table of contents They have the realm of battle rules for the eight points, which is cool. Yeah, I'm excited for that Here's the fun thing that was on the table of contents. We're getting three new realms In the in marathi Are those gonna have three new magic items in them? Is our is our crappy magic item list of realm magic items gonna slightly expand Is every one of these books gonna add three new or some number of new realm magic items? I don't have any interest for that Look, here's what I want the answer to be. Yes Yes, please make an artifact that makes something fly That's all I want. Is it that hard just make a artifact the generic that makes a thing fly. Okay It seems like it might be slightly self-serving No, no, it's all a hundred percent self-serving not slightly I checked we did a recount. It's a hundred percent All the votes are in Okay Uh, yeah, I agree. All right Paul what's your book three? Book three. I'm gonna go with slanesh. Oh, okay bringing her in early All right. Yes. All right Um, is this slanesh just getting free? Is that the crux of it? I think that's probably the the The big overarching thing, but I don't think I feel like that's not the finale to this story I feel like that is a plot point in the middle. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. So I think it The repercussions of slanesh getting free I think are going to be a bigger deal than slanesh getting free and I think the story is probably going to have more to do with Like, okay, if slanesh gets out and Marathi has this grudge Which I'm sure she has um who is now theoretically perhaps a god. Yes Yeah, like what does that battle look like who's involved And all of that. Yeah No, I there's I don't know that I like it as book three. I might like it slightly But it was my book four. I mean, I'll just tell you that right now But the part that I completely no no way I disagree completely tom. Here's why if it's if there's Like unless there were seven books then I'd buy book five. It's not going to be the end Okay, because it's not slash either like my book five has this yeah, that's fine I don't I think paul nailed it. Why would you end the story with slanesh getting free? That's when the interesting things happen No, she doesn't get no no like I'll get there when I when I walk. That's fine. So I agree with your point about that I like that. I think that's a yep. I don't know that it'd be called slanesh I don't know that wouldn't wouldn't But yeah, sure. Okay. There's no other real character to name it. That's the problem. So last is Celeste isn't interesting enough. That's the problem. She's not well known enough But I think that just like they use glotkin to introduce and double down on and really push got got conservative I think so last is is is the right move especially because the aesthetic will match the new release Or there could be a new Character that we just have not been introduced to yet Like a named lord of pain or something like that. Sure. Maybe. All right. What's your book three? teckless And so I think that what's going to happen is because in book two we have sigmar over committed um to gork morca or to gordrack, um, I think teckless has to um call upon more backup And so I think that it is the like um, it is the The attempt at like the the rallying cry of order To really push back and when you have a major play by morathi It will Like by definition It will pull teckless Okay, like he is not simply going to let her become a god or run rough shot It's not gonna happen. Got it. And so like like her Ascendants will force him to play more of a thing And so I think he'll tap into some other nations Okay, all right Uh, and I think we'll get some new content with that and yeah No, that's fair. That's totally fair. Um So my book three That I was thinking was I don't know if it's manfred or nefi Okay, but it's one of the vampire people And that's when we get vampires Okay, like that's the release that comes along with that I think we get that before we get because I I as well have teckless in here I agree teckless is one of the books. I'm with so do you know why it's not that I'm ready So I like I know we're in the same headspace, but I think you have reversed I think tecklic so morathi's play forces teckless out. Okay Okay, because teckless is now focused on morathi. Mm-hmm. It opens the back door first linash to slanash's realm And who is the worst spoiler in the multiverse? Manfred Manfred. Yeah, sure. And so what happens is is that now that the back door is open Manfred slips in and tries his own gambit Because he's been way too quiet for a way too long Yeah, my call my call is book four is manfred going. Oh Now is my chance. And so he slips into the the realm between realms to try to tap into slanash's power And that's when you get like you see the full force of Manfred's like army. And so that's the new release Okay Of vampires and so he goes in full bore gets to slanash's realm Tries to tap into slanash's power and either naga shuts him down or He just bites off more than he can chew and he breaks slanash's free at the end of book four Yeah, I here's the thing. I think the vampire thing will come first and I think yeah, here's here's why I get what you're saying In my my story is exactly the reverse of that And then that sets up book five where you get the resolution of the consequences of slanash's release Yeah, that's fine. My in my six books my my story is kind of the opposite of that. I could it's not that I'm saying you're wrong I'm saying I could see what you're but you're Trotting out there Yep, okay, but I to me I think the the vampire stuff has been teased for so long. We've been getting rumor engines forever Yeah, okay I cannot see that waiting longer than that because I assume they roll out and here's why I'm thinking it Why here's why I stacked it this way because I had to think about release timings as well my thought is they would put the book to Somewhere in either, you know, December like pretty fast on when they're not going to want to put an army out At the same time Okay, or early january and they would do it with just all the new start collecting for a bunch of destruction stuff For people to spend their christmas money on But they don't tend to do a whole new army Until the february march time like that tends to be when they go. Hey, here's the whole new army, right? When we look traditionally, that's when they introduced the new army Right Yep, that's when we got ko. That's when we got Daughters of cane That's when we get a lot of this stuff the first arm of the year happens in like late february early march They tease it at lbo Like there's a whole release cycle to it, right? The other half of this, by the way, is that we don't know like one consequence of whatever marathi's gambit is Could be the release of sinless lanish like marathi draw major Sure, eventually. Yes, but not in this book because it would have been on the table of contents That would have that would have necessitated an entry a bullet. Yeah, there would have been a bullet point Yep, also also slanesh is free now Anyway, all right, paul, what's your book for? um You know, i'm gonna take a little bit of a left turn on this one. All right, all right I am gonna go with a larial Okay Yeah, yeah, I could see this one. This has been a popular one and it feels like one that should be in there somewhere, right? Yeah, it's You know, you could you could do a lot of that rejected um, there's a lot of stuff going on in a larials territory and I would think that she would have something to say about that Yeah, instead of teclas you could do a larial as the main like god And then and teclas assisting a larial. I think like Like in in my narrative arc still stays the same in both. So I don't disagree with that paul Yeah, I like She was she's one that I think is discussing She shows up in my book four Okay, like sylvaneth would be the second in in my version of book four Sylvan, that's where we get the sylvaneth getting a massive treatment okay And I'll I'll talk about that when I get to mine because I I agree with you that feels like the right time I don't think that's actually like a crazy left turn Because if you imagine what you could do in a story where you also have a larial We could get into the realm of life show what's going on there We probably haven't touched it much at this point in the story, right? We need to break up all these realms Uh, that would let us touch sylvaneth who need it beasts who need it Nurgle Nurgle. Yep. Who probably is untouched at this point, right? Like there's a lot we could do in there right, right Yes, but isn't the uh the redacted thing in realm of life No No, no, it's it's uh, it's oxy I thought it was I thought it was in giron. No, it is definitely not again okay, so Yeah, so like I don't think that's that I don't think that's a long shot call I don't I I would put those odds at like Three to one two to what I would say is that like The my the question I think the narrative is the same I think the question is is it luminous or is it techler or is it a larial? Yeah, because you could see the techless book where the thrust of it is Techless has to go get a larial or help larial or has to go help her And that's what they use because that's going to be I'll just say right now My book four is also techless by the by okay. Okay. Yeah, so you're you tie a larial and techless together Correct, and I think techless has to go help a larial Because she always needs help but in these in these stories. I don't know why I look I'm not I'm not trying to I'm just saying it's a thing that happens. Okay It would you say it's a trope. It is a bit tropey. Yes Uh, but at any rate um She in her in her uh in her in her war form in her war form She often gets herself in a bit overhead. So at any rate, I think techless goes and helps her and that's what takes his eye off the ball I agree with you. We need to get techless without the ball. I do think there's an larial part two that'll happen Yep, the army just feels like it's got more models in the techless nations. I'm not talking about the tyrannic nations You know no that I agree with you and not only that like we've I think we've seen what the unit is Yeah, the sword master. It's a sword master. It's a sword master as soon as I saw that underworld sword master I was like there's no way. This is the only one of these they did right that Sword master told me we have another new unit of those coming right And so they do they do larl part two in in my book for techless and that features everything We just talked about because it's also sylvan f beasts. Da da da da da da and I think they're water nation I think that one is water nation um book four No, like the the sword masters Oh Sorry, I thought we switched to avatar I mean that they are functionally the the nations of the lumeneth are avatar nations. They are all sure, um But I I think that that like the sword masters are water Which is really interesting given the role of water in combating fire And in nurturing life Uh, and so there may be some actually some really interesting themes here Okay, so we had your book for already tom because you mentioned it. What was your book for just for clarity for me? my book four is um, I think three is the high the the elf book, right? Yeah, and then you're putting four as the death book like and four is the death book. Yes So four is the mammoth gambit It's and maybe like you and you end up getting like some knight haunt and or obr in there Because maybe they are how Nagash tries to stop mammoth And so you actually get some schismatic Like stuff within death. So you actually get narrative development within death Because mammoth is making this gambit and it's forcing their hand and and maybe nephrodis caught in the middle. Who knows Sure, um, but I think that that's why you get the new the new book there So cool. All right, paul. So you had five books in your cycle. Let's finish it out. What's your book five? You know, I I don't know what name to put on it, but I can give you a concept Give me a concept I think what will have happened is You have marathi that has created this giant distraction for the moral realms right She is ascending to godhood. She is um in fighting with other factions you have various Uh different figure heads of the order pantheon all sort of Add odds with each other. And I think that is the place where The chaos gods now fully reunited with slain ash released take notice and Push a major offensive into the the mortal realms. Okay So book five. Yeah, so book five becomes sort of chaos resurgent is what you're saying Yeah, exactly like Some sort of Like a new age of chaos I don't know, but I think My feeling is marathi is gonna eff everything up for everyone. Sure Uh, so let me hold on. I want to answer a comment real quick Somebody said are any of these books going to be in ulgu prominently enough to explore clan eshen? Well, the first book is said in ulgu and does not have any scape in it Uh, it it's split between ulgu and akshi from what I can tell sure. There's a lot of ulgu action I'll say that much yes Okay Oof No, I like that call that because what I'll say is if you only have if you have five books in your in your clip As you mentioned, right? That would set up the okay time to release another chamber and launch a new edition with storm cast at the helm Right like sigmar is like all right one more time That's what so my book five is so last Right. Okay, and and I'm like I'm similar like I think that it is a chaos um a chaos resurgent a chaos um In excess of chaos, um, but what but I don't know that it's I don't know that it's all unified Um, I think we could get corn in there trying to stop slanash Um, or trying to spoil slanash, um, and I actually think that this is where the dwarfs fit Um, I think that we get the um the first glimpse of the unified uh grungy nation okay where we get the actual um like in in the face of uh This cosmic threat. I think we get the first glimpse of the unified um, uh Dewarden Of course that we that would that they talked about at various point where they're having the accords and stuff like that of this uh of this unified like packed And I think that like I think that they there's a sense in which I think what ends up happening is the And hold the line, um until the new chamber gets cracked in the new edition bold prediction to dwarfs to get that much attention at all. Okay Uh All right Like they're gonna they're gonna end up they're going to end up somewhere And so the question is if they're going to get an update. How do they do that? And I think the answer that they do that like so they've broken up All right, I'm not gonna say that. Sorry. No, that's fine. I Some of it is too spoilery. So I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off on that It makes sense that at some we obviously with our first cities we've touched on we had a big dark ale focus Right. Yes, and it feels like at a later point By the way, the allarial book that we mentioned or the tech list with allarial majorly focused in it Could also have a wanderers minor section in it by the by just as a call out and The book you're talking about could have a Dewarden Call out in it, right? Like we could build this might this is why I think they're going to go back to the city's well Multiple times over the course of this series because again the action like a battle Just this has to be a story that affects the world Right And the part of the world we care about is where people that are ostensibly the heroes the protagonists the story live Right. Now, there are a couple other places. Like I said, like the pure black pyramid at gosh or You know the eight points like there are other areas that aren't just like human cities So it's not like they all have to be there, but a vast majority of the stuff we care about is human cities Yeah, no, it's true, right? Yep um All right, my book five is also slinnish. I think that's right and I think that's when she's She's she's she's breaking out. She's busting out. Okay. She likes the world I see her release at the end of four because of manfred's like screw up And then five is the consequences of that. Sure. I mean either could be Sure, I'm you know, whatever um, but yes, I think this is like the escape slash first consequences now I'm going to take a different tack though than you Paul Okay Since you didn't have a book six. I'm just going to change straight into my book six slinnish getting out Is actually so the storyline that you just charted paul is effectively this sort of cyclical thing where chaos comes back and then storm casco. Oh more chaos quick send out another chamber That'll that's all fine That also seems very much like a story a games workshop would be it does it does i'm not going to disagree But it's also a story we've done before right Yep Which is why it's a story that seems like games workshop would do sure so we could get our mortal slinnish there Which we think are also coming right in line with that release. Oh, that's fine My argument though is it actually does the opposite Okay slinnish Has been trapped for so long in the current story right and I submit to you that whatever happens when slinnish gets free slinnish doesn't return back at normal power slinnish returns back at Too much power Okay And brings chaos to chaos And so what actually like corn has a huge position In the mortal realms especially in the places where humans tend to live and this area is where our story focused like oxy in places like that, right? Right And so the slinnish forces when they're suddenly empowered by their god coming out and going wild Yeah, okay Is it actually ends up weakening chaos overall by causing infighting by causing chaos amongst chaos Okay Yep And that leads to my book six now my book six is a long shot. I'm not going to lie It could be any of a hundred things gone But here's what I'm basing it off of you said well, they won't redo stormcast just to put out the The whatever just to put out the um the new storm cast or whatever Okay Entered into evidence. I would like to submit psychic awakening pariah Psychic awakening pariah is the last psychic awakening book released yep Who is on the cover of pariah? It's uh, it's the female uh null or the sister silence person, right? no So on the cover of pariah is an ekron Specifically that inquisitive whatever inquisitive. This is asrac or whatever his name is. I don't know So it's the new guy next they're introducing the new bad guy No, no, no, no. He's not the big bad. That's just the thing They introduced like I don't know They introduced Soromon Okay To to introduce soron in at the release So my point being is that they released pariah and it did some stuff with necrons right And then immediately they switched editions And who was in the big book who was in the big release box? Storm cast and necrons right Right, so they put out a bunch of stuff. Thank you illuminor Saras Sounds good. I'll believe it Uh, their names kill me. So at any rate, they've clearly shown no no We'll use the last book in a series to set up the big set Right, right The new edition. Yeah. Yep. Yep Okay So book six is a scaven focused book because out of chaos There is no force that better serves when everything is broken and chaos reigns There is no race that does better in chaos. They can also go anywhere be anywhere and ruin every plan ever Then scaven Okay Now, I don't know who the character is. I doubt it'd be thankful again, by the by Could just be the horned rat like it could just literally be called like broken realms the horned rat, right The horned rats also kind of upset with this position in the chaos pantheon and a lot of the story He certainly would not be happy with the return of slanash. Correct And as the traditional chaos gods are in fighting because slanash is back out and causing chaos The horned rat making a big move Yeah, right Would make perfect sense narratively like a lot of the story I could even see that in my book five honestly Sure, a lot of this story is about gods or people becoming gods or gods making big moves and shattering the realms in the wake of it, right? Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep scaven have gotten like zero attention Basically through all of aos Sure, okay We got quite on the gashes plan. Sure. We got like a broken book that they eventually beat into submission Right And we got a warlock bombardier guy right Scaven also interestingly filled the role to me a lot like what necrons do in 40k Right necrons were never like the big main bad guy. They were never the sort of They're not the thing you immediately think of when you think what's the biggest threat to the imperium Yep, right in the same way that honestly right now scaven aren't the biggest threat to to most of the story Right Yep, there are also a range in dire need of a Like ground up re-sculpt of a lot of stuff Yeah so book six is the horned rat The horned rat does some final janky crap That is what leads us into into 3.0 Which i'm gonna call god's war Okay, or the fall of the gods or Yep Some of the gods fall sure you pick your name something like god that god's at war gods at war. Yes, there you go. Okay Because we had the we had the realm gate wars and then the soul wars and now we'll have the the gods at war, right? and The starter box for that will be Stormcast the starcast will always be in that versus scaven And tell me that arc doesn't work like a beautiful charm and it would echo the success they've had in 40k is my point That necron relaunch has been a huge Deal for them. Do you know how many necrons I see on on instagram and and turn on stuff of people? Relaunch an ancient line like that that people have a lot of love for and you sell a million of them Yeah, maybe maybe Just saying maybe That's my six books. It's how much is the Sales factor driver of the narrative, which is like a consistent debate that we all have Right, my guess is Not much, but it's there Right and so that's why I think there's a good narrative reason There's a good you see I'm saying like to me the read when I thought of this. I thought I love this because it hits on all cylinders Yeah That race is the best in chaos. They've gotten the least attention narratively would be the exact moment for them to set up They're the kind of race that often heralds changes Of big events like scaven portend. That is what they do Yeah, what I would say is I don't think we need to do this in six books I think you can do it in five And I think that they end up have like in my narrative. They end up playing that same role Like I had mentioned corn Moving against slanash or or like or like stepping into the new the power vacuum You can just as easily do that with with scaven in book five of mine Which then you have scaven versus dwarves as well potentially Um, which has some legs to it And then yeah, I can see where you're going with the parallels of an old line And it's and it's an and it is a non obvious pairing for storm cast And what I mean by that is in the new launch like it's like it's very um Tangential to the rest of the of the lines, but it's relevant Like, you know, like it's a very like it's a gw specific ip. It's an entire like line that needs to be renovated It's chaos, but it's not just another one of the chaos god So it's not just mimicking the the corn box He's like yep, like the only reservation I have with doing like a slash box Which I think is a very like low-hanging fruit for moving into the new edition Is that it doesn't have as much room for like growth of an entirely new relaunched line as As like scaven does and I fully acknowledge that like I think scaven is probably it would be a stronger launch Narratively and they play that same spoiler, you know before I had mentioned where I thought destruction would be the Be the box like the pair box with storm cast um And the and the go-to race there is iron jaws But again the problem I ran into was that like they just can't expand that line enough To make it all new Right and sell bajillion models, but they can do that was they can do that with scaven Yep, that's right So, um, I think that what we'll say is this as for the pairing on the where this ends I think you have a very strong case Thank you. Uh, this is a hell of a point towards left field I'll say that like if next year I end up being correct. I'm gonna be like I am gonna be time stamping this in a show Let me tell you that right now Sure, we need to just create a file vince where we do all of our call shots and we just log it Sure. All right. So I don't want to so that's when you're wrong Oh, yeah, exactly. I mean we don't have to actually like talk about that. No, we don't talk about the times You're wrong. You only you only mentioned the times when you nailed it. That's how this works. Okay Good stuff. Let's talk about so so the next thing I want to go to Is what we would want to see from some of the oh, by the way, yeah, by the way if scaven jumped in in that book That's a great place for then Sarah von stevin Sure. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Well, so, okay Let's talk about what we want to see out of the individual forces like what needs attention So poll your pick like we don't have to cover every army. I don't I don't want to get into every army We know they'll all likely be touched right So What are the ones you want to see touched you think should be touched and what's the good touch here? Um, I think a really fun touch would be when we get around to corn If you get a host of corn that allows you to take additional leaders specifically Two additional leaders so that in a 2000 point game you can have eight leaders. Okay Because that's your magic number, right? Yeah. Yep, right. I mean, yeah, it's the number of corn Uh, I love this idea of all this is so on brand for corn getting to eight And they have all these weedy heroes who shouldn't be leaders, right? But yet somehow are and are soaking up that slot. We've already removed, you know, one of them in that, uh, the the doggo is no longer Uh, uh A leader Yeah, this is that's good. That's really good so like it's sort of the um The glory chasers kind of of corn, right is what yours is what you're pitching, right? Yep, exactly They just those heroes of corn that are just going for glory Uh, I love this idea. Yes Uh, I don't and and moreover you could at the same time you could focus it a lot on the hordes of blood warriors or Skull takers or wrathmongers or those kinds of things the underused bloodbound, right? Yeah, and Focus them around working like being sort of chaff at the leader's discretion and making them interesting in some way Yeah, right where where those actually become Very playable in a way that frankly they kind of haven't been now and we could get rid of a lot of the It could be a lot less Ballet careful ballet garbage, right of they have to be holy within blah blah blah blah blah, right? It could just be like if their leader's on the board still then they get this bonus Yeah, right And then corn would play a lot more how it should where everybody's just running forward like a lunatic or something. Yeah Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot Tom We'll do a couple rounds of this by the way Um, I think fire slayers have to have their magma dross touched. Okay I mean, we already have a magma dross focused sub faction, but you're saying that's not enough No, I think that You have you have to touch They are the war scrolls first of all Okay, um And I suspect that what we'll see is we'll see some rewritten war scrolls for them You could get another battalion Because we don't have any magma dross focused battalions. Okay. All right that would exist So Uh Yeah, I think that that's one thing that like Is necessitated In the massaging of that arm of that faction in lieu of like releasing entirely new units Which the that army could really use sure We've talked about why that's a bad idea for them financially, but sure Right And that's what i'm saying. Yeah, like aesthetically it's not a pleasing army It has the least interest of almost any of the aos armies And so releasing an entirely new unit is probably not a really good idea Sure. So what you need to do is just adjust what's already there. Just rewrite the war scrolls. Yes I agree. Um, by the way, when you do that, please break some of their outrageous defense stuff Yeah, maybe maybe like you just focus on the units that have nothing to do with the outrageous defense stuff Yeah, and so like it naturally breaks. Yeah. Yeah, correct because then you have actually incentive to not just To not just play i'm going to try to get to two up two plus save hearthguard berserkers the army Right, right Absolutely. All right uh So The the one for me is the most exciting thing to me about the first book in marathi was that we saw we're going to get war scroll rewrites Right, right. What that opens up to me is that the obvious low hanging fruit here And again, my call would be this happens in book four But we'll see in either the teclas or a lauriel book. We're going to get rewritten you get rewritten scrolls for certainly a lauriel No That's what i'm going back. Oh sure. I mean this had to be done, right? Yeah. Yeah, certainly a lauriel plus Probably multiple other silvaneth units. Yeah, right. Yeah And uh, probably new battalions that allow them to play in a way that isn't you know Awful Would be the hope Right Yeah, I guess if I had to pick a thing like the the ideal war scroll rewrites would be You rewrite a lauriel the tree lord ancient the regular tree lord Uh And You haven't counted silvaneth wildwood Fixed sure. Yeah, I mean we we fixed all that we fixed them all before right go back to the house Come on gdebs. We've we fixed it for you. Yeah, just use that And like I'm trying to think of what else you rewrite in that book. I don't know. Maybe that's all Maybe that's all you really need to do. I'm not sure. Maybe just the wildwood itself And how it works Just you know, that's fine. Um I would love to see a rewrite of the silvaneth wildwood rules to go in line with what we said It should have been originally which is you buy one wildwood you put it on the table You turn on the terrain and you they inherit the rules of the silvaneth wildwood and they could pull that That's a doable thing All right, paul, what's your what's your next go around? What do you want to see? um, I think I'd like to see something that um Is working with serif on coalesced making there be A serif on option That just makes dinosaurs good Beyond thunder lizards you mean or like like because I mean the thunder lizard thing in there is not bad now Obviously, that's not The majority reason why people are using thunder lizards is just to play dino dino's They're using it with like bestill it on Double shots and stuff like that, right? right You know, I I'd love to see a return to You know your sorus actually being good a mainstay of the army You know your main battle line go-to unit for a sub faction. I think that Could be really strong and I think it You know The models on their own right now like their war scrolls as they're currently sitting are not terrible No, I agree And the problem is they just pale in comparison to so much else of the bent stuff in the army. Yes right And I think if we get something that is a strong focus on those We could get a a good other option for playing seraphon. That's at least a different play style So you mean focus on like the sorus and the the sorus lord on karnasaur like that kind of that stuff in the army Right exactly. Okay more of the sort of pure Primal hunter aspect of it that kind of thing Okay, yeah, not even skinks like I'm talking. Yeah, absolutely skinks need zero help. They're good. They're super good We all agree with that. All right Tommy, what do you got? Okay, I guys I definitely know what my next one is Okay, go ahead and do your next one. Okay It's beast of chaos All right, and what we're gonna do is we're gonna rewrite the we're gonna rewrite the bulgur scroll We're gonna rewrite the dragon ogre scroll okay And we're going to put in battalion and or sub factions That make gore have some kind of value in the army Yeah, okay And ways to get uh to make the bulgur and dragon ogres Playably interesting right in in fun battalions. This would be and we could do that in a couple ways So we could do it through either pure scroll rewrites a la idk or We could do it through snake focus like we're getting in in dock right Where there's lots of ways to like ramp up the attacks or the rend or the move speed or the damage Of these guys, right? They have these deficiencies and it doesn't need to be like, you know I didn't see anything in all the snake spoiled stuff that improved their defense for the most part Right And snakes are snakes aren't expensive and little glass cans. They're like two wound five up save Dum-dums, right? I mean they can see they can get the normal plus one, but yeah sure So they can be the same as witch lta um the So my point is is that like I don't want to see suddenly get tanky of these versions, but If we had ways to like up their speed up their damage up their rend whatever right um, some kind of faction thing where the herd stone doubles its range Right, so instead of starting at like six then going 12 18 it starts at 12 and goes like 24 36 or some crazy, you know Yeah, uh, you like it could be that easy to Uh to to like give the army a major boost, right if you do that kind of stuff Yeah, right You could do like they've done in a couple of the white dwarf articles with the gits And make it useful to things make the there because now the big stone for gits can actually work with troggs Can work with squigs Right, so you make the herd stone work better with what it's doing for these guys so Yeah, that's that's my argument. There's three different ways they could go to fix boc Just pick one of them, please. That would be that would be great. Thank you and please So there you go So I'm gonna kind of jump in real quick. Yeah, man um, so, uh I so I'm gonna suggest like I've already kind of trod this out a little bit, but I want to flesh it out some more Okay, um, I think that we're gonna get a um Uh, I think that we are going to get a uh, the water nation Um, and I was looking I was flipping the lrl book to see if I could actually find the name of the water nation See where it's mentioned Um in the in the midst of the great nations Um, uh, it'll be represented by new like I don't have a full rewrite. I'm guessing of the Um of like a great nation's write-up, right? Um, and the associated, um unit will be a Like a sword master esk kit That will be able to be like a stance dancer And so that they will probably rotate through stances or do something like that In a way that like we got glimpses of with some of the the stone guys But most of them they would like just hold a stance, right? And I think that you'll get more of a fluid movement between stances With the with the water nation Um And uh, but I don't think that we will get a big Like golem or a big water spirit or anything like that. Okay, so I think it'll just be the the foot unit That's fine. I've got a little left turn question for you guys We went through all of this And I I've left this out of the news because I completely forgot it happened, but I just was reminded of it I On halloween We got a little spoiler image of a weird skeletal tree like thing scaring yohan. It was instead of the tentacle zombie Sure. Yes a weird stick tentacle zombie What is that and how does it figure into any of what we've talked about? I mean, I think something associated with vampires It just kind of feels like it goes with that Sure, that's that's fitting into our into our death range and releasing Sure our book two or three or where or four depending on where it falls, right? Okay That vampires may not be very piety and more just vampirey. Um, and we may just get a classic relaunch of Of zombies or some modified zombie kit. Sure. This one has like crap on him that he's like He is you know, like when he was crawling out of the ground He has like a wood like a stump or like a gravestone or whatever that a bird's perched on that he's just like shambled out with sure Or it could be Again, the corrupted mutated like Mischief and monstrous undead, right? We've talked about that. Yeah Amongst the pirates and we just have some remnants of that in the like again Like it's a again. It's a juju zombie. It's a waterlog zombie. So it has octopus tentacles. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, okay All right So let's do one more round of the what we need to see fixed. Okay so Paul What's your what's your what's your hope for what else gets touched in these books? What else do we need to see? I cannot let this go without being completely self-serving and say I would love to see Nurgle get retouched specifically Getting the three magus lords involved in whatever Nurgle's plot going on is here and get new war scrolls for those three guys Wow Going for the Going for trying to get the magus lords Imagine a box. It was just three magus lords. They won't do that Imagine a battalion that was all three magus lords. All right. All right okay Uh All right Yeah, if we're gonna do a nurgle thing if there's something we're gonna touch I completely agree with you. Those sculpts are so cool. They're still around. They're still relatively new Those guys came out in like 2015 How are they? Yeah, exactly. How are they this useless? in And have been for basically all of their existence. It's really unfortunate Uh, yeah, okay. I think they're not totally useless. They're just outshined by other stuff in Nurgle Yeah, sure All right, tom what do you got? Um, we're gonna get a revisited night haunt. We're gonna get some degree of allegiance Like a legion sub factions or something like that. Um, like legions of the damned Or something like that I want, um Some differentiation between night haunt forces. Okay And uh And so and maybe those maybe they end up mirroring rather than mirroring the traditional night haunt forces that we've seen What are the traditional? Like temple structures Um, maybe they end up mirroring a little bit closer to negash's hierarchical structures from legions of the negash Okay And so maybe one force is under right nor one is under uh, olander and one is under, um, uh The king the craving king Okay Um, and you're gonna we're gonna get a rewritten more scroll for the, um the Black coach Okay Uh, yeah, I mean obviously that that's where we get our black coach as they can have the hero keyword You get two versions of it. It'll be it's the new steam tank We get the rewritten more scroll. I'm with that 100 percent biggest miss of that release Was not having two versions of the coach a with and without hero just like we have for It's like we have for the stegadon just like we have for the steam tank We've shown that we can do this do this with the black coach three two one do it. Okay fantastic Uh, no night haunts a great call because I think if you assume there's some kind of new Vampirates thing happening that largely touches, you know a lot of dead stuff Then we've touched most of the solid dead Right in some way, right? I mean I look at an army like fec and i'm like, well, what do they really need? Sure, they'll get something in one of these books, right? They'll have a little fun part they play in it and they'll get like a battalion or something Right where they can they get a new fun couple narrative battalions or or whatever And it'll focus on probably crypt horrors and ghouls Right and do a fun thing there. Yeah. Yay. Great. But that's not, you know, that army's relatively fine Right, right Okay, can I say what I hear? Can I give you my final one? Yes The sons of behabot That's right, baby That book just came out and we need help we need help Okay, that book needs some some touch needs some good touch Doesn't have to be till like book five. That's fine But yeah, I want to see the giants get a focus in it like joking aside The giant book is so underwhelming with its options No battalions no allies very limited army construction. You know just like everything is super limited Okay Yeah, so there's it would be so easy to add something To that army anything you have literally all the options open Right that you could add additional stuff to that army Yeah, okay. Yeah And it would it would Make me feel so much better And by the way, my argument is not oh the book is weak hence they'll need to do this It's too late for that because all these books are already in some form of either development or being printed or on boats right My argument is they designed the original the book knowing that they were going to touch it in there and said, okay We're going to take some of this and make sure we just put it here Right And that's where where some of their options are going to live. No, we have not mentioned karnathi yet I I mean I want there to be karnathi, but I haven't really seen any strong evidence of karnathi anywhere, but Who knows? Uh, so I do think the giants would be one to get in there because again, you could give them battalions You could give them new sub factions where you're not locked to one specific mega gargant that then sucks For every the other all the other gargants the fun out of it or whatever, right? There's all sorts of interesting challenges with that book So it would be so easy to do new sub factions to do new battalions to do something like that So there you go, um Now a couple honorable mentions that I'll throw out here just in case you uh, you guys want to do any as well, okay um I would love to see if we if we do get new stuff I think that you could do some fun things with the uh the ogres In here, especially focusing on the non bcr side of the house Oh, yeah, okay with some interesting new battalions and tribal type of things of them especially focused around like Manators or fire bellies or iron guts or whatever, right? Kind of items that were the the pieces that weren't greatly touched in the first book are all really cool and could be Easily used and put into little boxes Right sure Put it because i'm also thinking like what am I going to stick into a box that's going to sell Right Yep So that would be a really fun one I think Um, I think you could do the same with Uh, I mean like we've done we've touched gifts so much But you could have the spider gets show up in one of these books and and give the spider gets a treatment Right, so they get a whole spider gets Uh either You know range of battalions or options or something like that or boosts or a few war scroll rewrites or whatever Um, so that's your rachnorox and all your little spider cab and all of that That would be an easy an easy touch in my mind for sure um And then the only other one that I think would be actually pretty fun to show up at some point Would be Corridor and overlords And I think it would be cool to give them some different battalions because right now that army plays So on rails with like one of two different battalions is what you see in every list Okay, because it's just the way to build the army and there could be a lot of other angles you take on the battalions Yeah, that'd be great. I'd love other battalions, right? So and I mean look most books only have about three don't complain tom I just talked about how my army book had zero to show your face Um, I would kill for it to have one of two battalions to take. Um But my point is is that it is a book screaming for easily having more Right because you could see like skywarden focused battalions with maybe some like a marine focused battalion or or or whatever Right that does a bunch of cool stuff with them makes them very viable in a different play style opens up some new ways to go about it So those are kind of the other honorable mentions that that occurred to me Paul you got any other honorable mentions you want to shout out or even any like minor things you'd want to see? um, I think there's a minor trend that we see in in What they've released already With the chaos chariot and with the sorceress on black dragon. Yeah That they're both alternate Sculpts or alternate builds of heroes that were already in the box. Yeah That were from prior editions that just kind of got left off. Sure and Um, you know not being extremely well versed in all of the model ranges I can't say necessarily where all of those exist But I think those are probably good opportunities for them to bring back um Some of those alternate sculpts that are in the box that aren't really being utilized to create a special character The one that I can really think of is the free guild general on griffin Still has the carl france build Yeah, and isn't being used for anything so they could easily make a new named free guild general on griffin Yeah, I like that And I agree and by the way, I think you already hit on one of those that's under used and that's the maggot lords Right who are all sort of names special characters that are under used. So yeah 100 i could see a box with them and With like one of those things and a couple small nergal units Right and and that that would be like a slam dunk box for them Because I think part of what they want to do with these star collectings is here's some models that we aren't really selling We've got a lot of singing stock Let's get them out there at a good price and make some rules that people will have fun with them Right because it's not like everything we're going to see it is probably them We're going to be the most competitive stuff, but it gives people a reason, right? Yeah So yeah, I I'm with that. I think that's a really good shout out Paul. I agree Because there are some kits like that Where they're can explore. I mean, I think by the way the As the the aforementioned black coach fits into that same box. Absolutely Uh, all right cool Because it you can do it like you can change the scroll itself and introduce the special character version of it all at one time Yep, right you can you can kind of hit both you can you can double dip there so easily Uh, yeah, Brian says is that what these boxes are? Yes. But yeah indeed I know I'm I know I'm really hot taking the internet here with that one. Yeah Tommy anything else you you want to you want to hit up? No, no, I'm just I'm excited to see what Like they have a new lease Yeah on all the books. Yep, everything was on the table What did they choose to actually tweak and adjust and so I'm really really anxious to see What they decided to do and how they decided to do it. So for example, we talked about the hero work like the hero version of the chariot That war scroll is not in the book Right So they actually achieved that effect a different way mechanically. Sure And so I'm interested to see how they play with that. Yeah I agree and I think the most important thing to to you know, we Joe I said it I joked and said it's the book I'm most excited for in the last three weeks But you know joking aside um This is Beyond exciting to see these kinds of narrative moves Looking at this and what we're already seeing it It feels a lot more malign sorcery than forbidden power Let me just say that as far as like the size of the shift in the narrative Yeah, right Which makes sense malign sorcery was was effectively the lead up to second edition, right? And we all think I think at this point our odds are all still agreeing like the odds makers would all still say 3.0 comes on the back side of this Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah Now again, please when you do 3.0 change like Two rules at most and then put out a new starter box and let's call that 3 of 3.0 So it feels more like 2.5 Yeah, or give us something like Some give us something like command points that we didn't know we wanted. Yeah, exactly So we don't have to so all these books are still useful My nightmare situation is and continues to be that these books Come july if they do a new edition change over become Highly suspect in there in their longevity, right? I don't want back on the battle tome treadmill We're not 40k. Don't do that to us. Okay. They're totally gonna do that to us. You know that, right? I don't think so. I honestly don't I I really don't because I think this game does not Behoove as much changes as 40k did because 40k went from their first edition After a relaunch after a very massive change to their second, right? It required a lot of changes This doesn't I think most people agree That the game is in a relatively good place, right? I mean our survey said as much when we looked back at the survey the overall Like there were things that people wanted done i.e. war scroll changes. Hey, look at that We're getting them, right? But even with all those changes people still said like is the game in a good place and the the Overwhelming majority opinion was yes right So to me this is going to go a long way to correcting a lot of the things people pointed to In the challenges in the survey Yep, so they won't have that much more ground to cover Right. Yeah having a having a slight relaunch maybe cleaning up a couple different things Rules wise very simple and launching a new starter box is a great way to keep the hype train rolling and keep people Being able to easily get into the hobby Sure And if if those books that I have just remain evergreen until sure are we eventually going to get new books? Yeah, of course man. That's that's the world like i'm not i'm not opposed to that I just don't want to be on the on the three-year cycle. I want to be on like a five-year cycle Right with other stuff in between Yeah, supplements are fine like I would love for this to just be more of like ratham the ever chosen Yeah, like just supplemental stuff. It's optional. You don't need it. It can enrich your game experience But it doesn't necessarily Become a thing that's required. Yep. Yep. Agreed. Yep So, um, yeah, okay, cool Uh, all right folks. Well, that's it. If we did if we didn't mention something that you think feel free to of course drop your predictions To make your own predictions down in the comments Don't forget the merch store is now active if you were one of the people interested in that I'm not like pushing it that hard if you if you're interested. That's fine. If you're not that's also fine Uh, but it's down there. It's active. 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