 Hi everybody and welcome to another episode of zero. I just wanted to tell you guys something real quick. Even though I enjoy the the premium content donations that I make from the show, I have decided to make this show for free so that everyone could get it because I think it needs to be heard and it saved my life. So I want to save everybody's life and I don't want them to not do it. Now what I may do is add a $5 option. If you'd like to support the show, you can. If you keep at the 15 level, you get all my other shows and I add a ton of stuff. So I just wanted you to know that I've always felt really bad about doing a spiritual show behind a paywall. I kind of needed it at that moment. But now blessings in my life, I do not and I would like to give it away because zero is for the people and that's it. So that that I love you all. Thank you for coming on a journey. It's only going to get better, bigger, faster, stronger, or it may not and it just may be us and who cares? That's all I care about. What I am excited about is our next guest here. He's been on my show many times. He's been on my show, Tim Full Hat and I love him very much. His podcast is Skeptico and it's Alex Sekaris. Did I get it? Did I get it? You nailed it. You freaking nailed it. Alex, I gotta be honest with you, man. You're a class act. I really like you. You have great energy. You have really great vibrations and it's like I don't know what you've done with your life. I know that you've done well and that I always like when I meet successful people that still have light in them. That it should give everybody hope. So I just wanted you to know that I got numb of mad love for you and I'm super excited that we're talking again. Did it. Same way. It's excited to be here. No, but I'm going to push you, man, because that's what Skeptico is about. So I'm going to poke at you, but no, love, love you. Loved you. I'm Rogan, man. Congrats. Thank you, man. I love that guy. You know, I've been getting a lot of crap from everybody for defending him, but people don't realize, man, like if you go back to almost every one of my albums, I think except for my very first one, I think I think him on every album. Even that's way before the Joe Rogan experience. So I'm a ride or die guy. I defend my friends and I will do it to the end. And if I'm seen as some weirdo because, you know, I'm blood in blood out, then so be it. So thank you for that. You know, it's funny with Rogan because I kind of go back and forth, but lately I've been kind of going more homo on Rogan, you know, because I'm starting to maybe believe that he is really more legit than I kind of thought. And you know what? From a spiritual standpoint, you know, I wanted to bring this up with you because I thought it was cool and you could relate to it because you can relate to Rogan. But I was hearing him the other day and he's talking about the voice. And I'm like, fuck, now he's talking about the voice. Now he's talking about the real shit, the voice inside our head because that's what it's about. Right, Sam? I mean, it's that voice, right? And so he's telling the story and he's telling it from this, you know, workout thing like he's kind of crazy with his workouts and all of this stuff, but really over the top. And he's talking about Goggins, you know, David Goggins, and he goes, yeah, you know, sometimes Goggins says he'll fucking stare at his shoes for 30 minutes, you know, like Goggins, who's like, you know, go, go, go, go, I'm doing it because you're not fucking doing it. You know, and he says, Goggins staring at his shoes. I go, oh, they get it. It's the voice. You know, my thing is I've been doing the ice bath for years, you know. And what I always tell people is, you know, I got a freezer. I converted and it's, you know, all the ice in there. And I go, no, man, it's about yoga. It ain't about like, you know, health benefits or muscle. It's about every day, literally. I that voice goes off and is giving me all these excuses. Why not to get in that ice? It's like, you did it yesterday. It's raining outside. Come on, it's winter. This is solstice every day. It's like I try and put the voice down and it still comes up. So now, you know, for people, I don't have a very stressful life. So it's almost like a gift for that voice to rear its head and just expose itself for the phony fuck it is, you know, because it's phony. It's phony. It's just constructing all this crazy stuff in my head. So I did connect with with Rogan. When he was talking about the voice and then when you were on there and I love the way this is minor thing, but I love the way you handled the hey, man, do you want to get high? You know, which I almost I mean, that almost pissed me off because he like knows your sober, man. Yeah, he wasn't serious. He was joking because he's very happy I'm sober. And but he was just like having fun with me for the moment because later on that night, we were at a club performing with him. And I like I like to watch Rogan work. I'm a big fan of of a lot of stuff he does. And I love his stand up. I've always been a big fan of his stand up. And I was really excited because I knew he's about to start recording. So he was in there and he smokes fat blondes, bro. He smokes fat blondes and he's going to pass and he hands it my way. And I was just going to pass it on because weed's not my thing. I never tempted to smoke weed. It doesn't it's not my thing. But he goes, hey, man, no, you can't do it. And I go, bro, I'm just passing it out. I don't want it. And it was very interesting because I forgot to talk about it because I was at another show. We we started late and Alex, I'm very thank you. Thankful for you for being understanding. So thank you. But I was at a show and someone in the green room busted out some cocaine. And it was very weird because I went on this kind of not the show I was at, but another show a couple of days ago. And I went on this this kind of like weird voyage of emotions with it. Like the first time I was like, oh, my God, someone's doing coke. Like that's how far from coke I was. And then I was like, why are you doing coke? It's like, don't you know about fentanyl? And that was like, wow, someone's doing coke. Rock is back. It was like this weird kind of journey. But I also see the people that I know still doing coke. And there's not a lot of light in their eyes. There's a lot of gray and I get that. I get it because I remember looking at myself in the mirror after I'd been on a run and I would be like, there's no light in me. I'm very gray right now. I'm dehydrated. I still between you and me. I've never really talked about. I think my legs have felt the effects of the years of drug abuse and and being not drinking a lot of water while I was running a gun. And so I have to do you brought yoga. I got very excited. I my girlfriend thinks I'm seeing the yoga instructor on YouTube. She thinks I'm dating the Canadian yoga instructor because I'm always doing you know, I try to do yoga every day. I told 30 minutes. Maybe I'll do 20 early and then 10 or 15, 20 at the end or I'll bang out 30 at the end. But I'm really, really getting into it because it's it's it's been it's so hard for me because I'm so not limber that it's like this fun kind of challenge that I know is really good for me. I love yoga. I you know, you can call me Cali guy, but yoga is like when you start yoga and you can't do downward dog, it seems so painful. And then when you can just start banging out downward dog, it's the best feeling ever. Hey, that's awesome. Hey, I just got it. You know, I'm such a yogi been doing it for so long. Best yogi, one of the best, in my opinion. And no one gives him props for this. Understands him. Wim Hof. Yeah, watch, go watch his yoga, yoga, yoga, excellent. You know, like Wim Hof, if you go listen to his story and shit. Twelve years old, he's putting together like a comic book, you know, of yoga, of the poses, cutting them out of magazines and putting them together. He's all about the poses and the key thing that he really understands is the breath work associated with it, because a lot of times the yoga today, what they've kind of messed up because they it's a it's a club oriented, you know, class oriented, you know, follow the teacher's stage on the stage kind of thing. It's all about the breath. It's like my teacher said a long time ago, it's a it's a dance and the breath is leading the dance. So if you get in the class or if somebody's telling you, OK, breathe in, breathe out. No, you breathe according to your body's motion. And and your and so working that breath is just there. You know, I could talk about you for a long time. But no, I love it, man. I love it. I'm not the best at pigeon. I have weird legs, one. You know, none of that matters. None of that matters. It's about getting in touch is like the biggest joy ever. It's like it's like my my kids being born, Patrick Ewing being drafted by the Knicks one day I'm on the one on one. There's nobody and then incrementally the just getting a little bit deeper into yoga pose is like my favorite things. Awesome. That's beautiful. I love that. I love I mean, it's just like because I stopped you Jitsu because I was really upset that I wasn't limber as my good friend who now has a black belt and owned his own school. So I was like, I'm not going to do it. But I think I was beat my because I like even though I I have this weird thing where like in with comedy, it's it's kind of the same thing where I just want to be the best. Like I would watch people that are like super successful and I never wanted them not to do well. I always just wanted to be there with them. Like I want you to succeed, but I want to succeed too. I want to be right there. So I was but I lost all the succeed and I just want to be one of those in the group. And so, you know, I do that with almost everything I do. I want everyone to be great. So I really beat myself up in you in Jiu Jitsu because I was just like, oh, I can't do this. I can't do it. I can't. And then I just ran out and it's so interesting. I know you got a lot to want to talk about, but I'm really working on my daughter on her. She says can't a lot. She loves to say can't. Now, she's two, she's she's one month from three, but she says can't a lot. And I'm just constantly trying to teach her words. I'm already like words are magic. OK, you're putting out magic spells and we have to practice abundance and children have no clue about abundance. They don't understand that giving it away brings more to them. They don't understand that yet. If you if the kid is playing with your horsey, that is war. That is war. We like we are going to war. You are holding my horsey. That is that is my horsey. You are not me. We want baby war. And it's like it's the talk that it's like we're sharing. This is I go. It's called the model of abundance. You're you've got to practice two things at all time, little one. You got to practice law of attraction and model of abundance. And you will vibrate on a higher level. Bro, I'm telling you, I got four kids. And the one thing that I've learned that's super humbling is you can't control that shit. I mean, they are they are what they are. You know, they are what they are. My oldest, I'll never forget to tell this story all the time. Kid negotiator from the beginning. You're the age of your daughter at the store. Go up to my wife with two of the things and say, how about one? You know, hold him up, say, how about one? I'm not going to ask for two. You think I'm going to ask for two, don't you, Motherfucker? I just don't want brilliant, but you know, the thing that I was going to say is in you are like because you are you, you know, and like when you first came on with tinfoil hat, I remember because I was, you know, I've been doing my thing for a long time just to keep myself straight in terms of trying to figure this stuff out. That was my sole purpose. I didn't I didn't have any kind of entertainment. I was just be be entertaining enough that everyone doesn't completely ignore you so you can continue to do this. But when you came on, the one thing that you brought was just this, like you said, this love and openness for everybody because all this in this little conspiracy world, everyone's kind of throwing arrows and stuff. And you're like, no, man, big tent, everybody, come on in. What do you got? Bring it, bring it. And with a in that with the bring it in so I can stab you in the back, but just bring it in. And everyone I hear talk about Sam Tripoli. That's always the vibe that they got is just. Well, I mean, it's a lot to me, but it's like this, you know, because I mean, I brought that from comedy because, you know, I started in the nineties and it was very much like boxing. And some of the big concerts say, hey, man, this ain't a team sport, man. It's one for and I'm like, interesting. But then I remember all the I go, well, all these groups kind of rise together. And even if maybe they weren't my favorite group of comics, but they all kind of work together. So I remember that I remember because like in podcasting, comedians were starting to all do each other's shows. And I was like, oh, that's kind of that's that's changing the game for comedians were no longer you and I are fighting over that one hosting gig or that one movie role. Now we both can share each other's shows. Like the inventor of the swap cast is is kind of like what we're doing right now is Doug Stanhope. Doug Stanhope was out of beans too lazy to want to record two episodes. He's like, let's record one and we'll both put it out. And that, you know, I was very lucky, you know, Doug Duncan Trussell. They both did swap cast with me very early and I was very blessed. So I because I remember that I'm not going to say it was, but I remember he's like, oh, that's my competition. I go, oh, man, there's no competition. Everybody's there's so much for enough that it's like even in the saturated world of podcasting and content creating, there is not enough content creators. I even at my age of 50 years old and like constantly trying to refresh my timeline to see if there's anything that I can can digest. And so there's not enough. We need more, even though there's too much. We still need more and people need to understand that. No, I think that's tricky for a lot of people to get. But it's just been proven true to the point where it's not even controversial anymore. I mean, look at how it's blown up. No one could have seen this. So I mean, it's just yeah, it's become it's become super obvious. Crazy, man. And it's like there's just these hermetic principles of life that I apply to my life to the best of my ability. And they just work out. It all works out. And, you know, I'm really good with God. You know, I'm not in any religion in terms of like organized religion. But I'm really spiritual. And I don't know, man, when I do certain things, my I vibrate on a higher level. Like, you know, like you have a high vibrational level. You like you you you emit wonderful energy. So it's like you do, you you do, you do, you you burst, man. And I think that's important for people to understand that that's what comes from. It's like helping others helps you vibrate on another level, sharing stuff. You know, you're in you're in, I say this on every podcast, so I'm sure people get bored of hearing it. But like the truth is, man, if you're like having money problems, give away some cash. It just always has helped me and I'm always amazed at how much the universe pays me back and I don't do it for that. I do it because it's a bun. It's like, you know, I was having a conversation with a good friend of mine today about all these like somewhat psychopath comedians who have made it. And sometimes, you know, you know, there's a couple that are nice guys now. They've learned their ways. And I always will say, you have to give people a chance to prove themselves from the mistakes. I know if nobody gave me another chance, I would be I would be alone in the world. So I've had many people give me second chances. So, you know, you've got to give these people second chance. One of those people is Dane Cook. Like I've had wonderful conversations with Dane Cook. Dane, young Dane Cook, what thought the world was a highlander. Like there could be only one. And new Dane Cook is like, he knows how the game is played. And it's ever in that has been demonized how to play the game. But that is 100 percent the world. And so he's learned. So I root for him. But you go, why does somebody like that? That was very much somebody who just it was like, there could be only one. Why does that guy make to the top? Because he practices the law of attraction, which is I believe in myself so much. I'm putting out the energy that I'm the Michael Jordan of this motherfucking shit. And that gets you to the top very much. But you know what? If you don't practice abundance, OK, with law of attraction, you lose it in my humble opinion, you lose it all. So you've got to will it to happen and then you've got to give it away. You've got to help those behind you. Those are the lower lifting people up, lifting people up, saying nice thing, helping people give it away. Why be on the top of the pyramid, man, by yourself when you can have friends, you know, well, I'm down with the part of the way, except some big exceptions. They're one as someone who's been kind of money oriented my whole life because I'm Greek, I can't explain, I can't help it. You know, the next church, the guys in the back. That's all they're talking about is, hey, what do you got on what you make? But there are certain laws and principles. I think that, you know, people are all over the Internet, exploding how to make money, how to make money, how to make money and how to make wealth and most of it's bullshit. But the one thing I think from YouTube University has really given us is there's a lot of really good stuff out there, too. And there's laws and you did. You still do your money show. You still do it. It's a very niche show and that's fine. You know, I love it, though. We I do with a good friend of mine, Howie Dewey and Johnny Woodard. And yeah, man, we just like to help people. Most of my brands are helping people figure their shit out. That's what I want to do, whether it's spiritual, whether it's what's going on in the world or how to take control of your life, how to be the first, how to be the first responder to your problems. Like, that's everything to me. Yeah. So anyways, we can talk about that. So I hear about it. No, I just think I think money is is misunderstood in terms of there's some principles that are, you know, like even the law of attraction thing, I mean, fuck, it don't matter. You know, if you take a fucking Range Rover to your fridge and stare at it every day, you know, or let's say let's say it does. Let's say you can bend the universe that way because, you know, parapsychology and just metaphysics says that there's some reality to to that, right? I would not deny the reality that you can manifest stuff. But if you want, it's a statistical game. It is what the science will tell you is that, you know, statistically, most people who don't try and manifest a gold coin in their hand, most people can't do it or they do it. But if you apply some of the basic principles of kind of money and money making and that everyone's been talked about for the longest time and, you know, thinking for a rich, who turns out to be a fraudster, by the way, and Pauline Hill, he didn't write any of that shit. He had somebody else write for him. And he was quite a scant. Bombs. Yeah, but but very interesting there, you know. And like, you know, what about Albert Einstein? I heard. Oh, yeah. That is why I don't believe that. I don't believe that. That's why I've heard, bro. That's why I've heard to position him to get limited hangout shit because they want their guy to have it, not somebody else. It's interesting. It's interesting. But I want to get in some. So, I mean, I've been having some wonderful conversations on the show. And one of them was about trans surfing. And I'm going to do the same joke I always do. It's not about cross stresses in Hawaii. OK, it's about this belief that there are multiple. There's every version of you exist at the same time. The question is how far are you away from that version of you? And then it becomes what's going to take for you to get to there. And that, to me, is what we're about. You're like, well, you can't manifest a coin in your hand, right? But how far away are you from getting a gold coin? And what does it take to get you to that gold coin? So, I mean, for me, man, manifestation is really choose your own adventure in a weird way where you're you're deciding what turns you're taking in a hopes of getting to the end of this story. That's if that makes any sense at all. It's like I always tell people when they get sober. And I need to shut up because I'm not letting you talk enough. But I always say when you get sober, have a destination. Like, what do you want to do sober? Like, you know, and people go, I want to be president. If we're going by this trans surfing thing, there's you and presidency is so far up here that it might take forever you to even get close to that. Who knows? But maybe you could be president of your book club or whatever you want within that realm that is close enough. It's just there. It's like that movie. Everything everywhere, all at once is the greatest movie ever. Because it's in my top five, literally, because it's this notion that there's a million versions of you, an infinite amount of versions of you, and they're all inside you. You just have to figure out how to tap into those things. And that's kind of where I'm at. I know it's a lot. Woo, but no, no, no, it's not woo to me. And I'm interested in like, like back to Rogan, one of the things that I guess I could never square with Rogan is I don't totally trust people who are not sober. Now, you know, I just can't. You know, my head at my family, mom, addict, you know, diet and addict, drugs, alcohol. I I was never had a huge problem, but, you know, enjoyed drinking and drinking just like everybody else, you know, a lot and stuff like that. And it's when I got married and it was kind of interfering right off the bat. You know, year one, you know, and it's like, whoa, this is just not going to go well. And then I got really mad at a point. I was like, well, how did I get sucked into this? How did I get sucked into the idea that being a man is somehow associated with, you know, all this stuff, you know, and it felt like a lot of the mind control stuff that we, you know, I'll talk about and kind of see obviously happening. So I'm super interested for free. But then I don't know about the sober thing the way, like, how do you deal with the all or nothing part of the of the sober thing? Do you feel like in the thing? Do you feel like it's a disease when people say it's a disease? Do you relate to it in that way? I'm fine with that lingo because it doesn't it doesn't mean anything to me. I think that's maybe that's some way in a disease like a viral of venereal disease. No, but maybe in terms of a mental disease, it's possible. You know, the cravings, the inability to stop it's possible. But I get more into the hermetic principles of dual duality and that there we have light and dark in us and some of our darkness is a little darker and we got to learn how to deal with that darkness. But we also have to recognize that that darkness is constantly inside us. So I use that to propel me to be a better sober person because I know that person's inside me that if I don't do simple things like connect with others, call others, check in on others, help others through my experience, strengthen, help, which like, dude, when I joined AA, I would have told you that's all bullshit to tell people that to have people have no will to stop using drugs that they have to get this thing outside them because they they don't let themselves down so they can't let this person down, which is the most ridiculous thing. It's not until you start studying like conspiracies always lead to spirituality. And this thing is like if they're lying to us about this, what else they're lying to us about? And it always gets to this is a war, a spiritual war. That's nothing to do with money. They got all the money. They have all the power. They want deep population. They want less of us because they've made deals with, in my humble opinion, deep down back, I don't knock it, our cons fall in the angel. I think they're all the same thing. It just depends who you're talking to, my humble opinion. And, you know, are we is this a realm that this this the one created for us to come down and learn karma or is this the the demiurge wanted to be God and created a false reality. And these are cons are the people that keep it running and we're we're batteries. I don't know, man. I really don't know. I love I just love the discussion. Well, I want to I want to rerun the tape there for a minute because, like, one of the things I think is interesting about what you're talking about. And I think this is like with the with the addiction thing that in a way that, see, I think the addiction thing gets distorted in the sense that it makes it's bullshit. We all relate to it. We relate to it so much more than we admit. And here's the point that I think it's like anyone. I can't I can't put Haagen-Dazs in the freezer, right? Because then I cannot walk past the freezer and get getting that pint, you know, finished off. Now, that's like a minor thing. Who cares? But it's like the same thing. It's like, you know, I told you a minute ago that my wife's a forensic psychologist and she's worked in prisons and she's worked with people life without parole and serial killers and stuff like that. So, OK, so what do you what do you think that's about? You know, the worst of the worst, you know, like really, really bad serial killers. She goes, well, you know, I had to push her and she goes, I think it's about control, you know, I think it's about control. And I thought, wow, isn't that? And then I thought, you know, if you read some of the stories about the worst of the worst of these folks and even the ones who come into, you know, demonic possession or feel like they had that kind of spirit there, it's the same thing. It's like these little decisions that they make. It's these combination, the accumulation of all these little decisions we make. I think it's so much more relatable. I think the AA thing that you're talking about is so much more relatable in terms of how we construct all this crazy stuff with that voice again that's in our head and how we listen to it and take control of it. And when we get in good spirit with other people and they're cool and we hang out and it just doesn't it just soften up the voice? Isn't it? You know, even when you just have a good conversation like we're having and you say, wow, I can really relate to Sam. He really is the good, authentic person that I thought he was. Even just saying that because I know it's true to me. It warms my heart. It makes me feel that, you know, my voice is not as crazy. It doesn't have to be as crazy as I think it is. And I don't need it and I can get past it. And then I can because because I think a lot of the things that we see of the worst of the worst, the Schwabian kind of craziness and all the rest of it is just people that have gone too far with some very basic stuff that we're all dealing with. And if they're making deals with the devil, I think we can all relate how you could get there, how any of us could get there just with a series of decisions of, you know, deciding not to get on that yoga mat, you know, because, oh, I don't need it. You know, I think it's interesting, dude. I think it's really interesting. You know, I've really stopped watching murder entertainment. I just I think it's it's so weird that I live in a world where jokes hurt people's feelings, but yet these same people will run home to watch the first 48 or the I.D. channel or this this show that's pretty popular on, you know, Netflix called I am a killer or even soft white underbelly. Like that guy does an amazing job of interviewing these people. I just it's just the trauma that people go through in their early life. You know, it's just hurt people hurt people. And it's just like, at what point do we go meant? I mean, like, yeah, they did something nasty and there's a price to pay with that. But do we also have an understanding that they came into this world a loving, beautiful thing and trauma happened? And like it was what I was going to say to you earlier, because you were bringing up that people are on their path and, you know, man, my parents were perfect. But man, I'm so blessed to have them as parents. My dad, as much as trauma, he would tell me how much trauma he went through as a kid. I talked about this on the last episode. It makes me understand him a lot more and have some compassion for him. Because he did burn everything down. And now I understand why his grandma was hitting him when he was a kid. Your grandma is supposed to be nothing but pure love. Your grandma is whacking you and punching your head and you're 70 still talking about it. You know, I mean, like, you know, the last episode when we brought up what happened to Ted Kaczynski at six months old, he was strapped down for seven days and nobody touched him or helped him because he had all these weird itching, scratching things going on. He was never the same after that. And then everywhere he goes, there's just more trauma till now he's in maximum security and solitary confinement, and which maybe seems what his skill set now is made for because of all the trauma he went through. And so it's just it's it's an interesting thing. And like my next door neighbor is growing up. I couldn't love people more. They drink they drink every night of their life. And they're just and if you saw him, you wouldn't believe it. You're like, you guys party that much? God bless you. I can't do it. I just I want to set the high score every night. I want to I want to be a rock star shit face drunk high to just laying into my vices, you know, trying to see here's my here's my skeptical thing is I don't I don't trust it because it's not in my experience to know to think that you can you can get high and still function at the highest level. It just doesn't seem to work. I don't know anyone it works for. I've never seen my life. I've just never seen anyone who's getting high. And now with weed, it's so and it's tough because it's in my family. You know, it's not like I'm not like my family was perfect. But you're getting high all the time. Bro, you're just the light cannot come through. It's just you're blocking the light. It's like it just doesn't work any other way. I get it, man. I guess they're just some people that they're why. And but again, you don't know what they would do if they weren't drinking or doing drugs at all, you don't know if they're amazing. Now, what would they be doing? What could they create with no drugs, no alcohol? So my whole thing is this, you know, this new weed is like not your grandpa's weed. It is Frankenstein weed and is causing people to have like almost in some weird way, almost like these. These psychological cracks kind of like what we've seen in crystal meth forever. And you've got to really ask yourself if something's everywhere all the time. Why is that? And I also get into what, what. Is there's there's something of something being legal and something being morally right, and sometimes they're not the same thing. And there's something should be like pornography, right? I've had a problem with porn. I've been blessed. I've gone sometime now without watching it. But in my addiction, I was setting high scores in that stuff, right? Now, I think porn should be legal, because if you take that away, you're just going to send this thing underground. And it's going to get more dangerous for these people. You're not going to stop it the minute somebody invented a camera. There was some chick doing weird stuff in front of it. It's just the way it is. OK, but morally. I don't know, man. It's a weird industry where soon someone quits, you never hear from them again. They don't want to be asked about it. They don't like to do it. They regret doing it. They talk about it all the time. No, I regret. I wish I hadn't done it. That's how we get asked. It's you can do it. You can do it. But vibrationally, what are you getting into? And no, go on. Sorry. No, no, I agree. And I do bring it back to the voice thing. And maybe this is too abstract and maybe people don't get it. But like to me, like when I first started skeptical, one of the things that I found really, really interesting, you know, back to like one of the first things we connected on is this idea that conspiracy leads to spirituality and spirituality leads to conspiracy. So I was interested in, you know, why it seemed to me that from kind of my understanding of spirituality and non-duality was that, you know, there's a voice inside your head, you go talk to the Buddhist, you go talk to, you know, the non dual, the yogis, all those people. It's the voice inside your head and you're going to try and quiet that voice. You know, you're going to try and put it to rest a little bit so you can find peace, you know, and then I turned to science and science was saying, oh, bro, there ain't no voice, there's no voice, there's no voice. Your brain is just generating all that. There's nothing there to stop or to manipulate or to manage or anything like that. And it's again, it's like, why are they saying that when everybody knows they got a voice inside their head, you know? And by the way, just bounce around on stuff because we're just talking about stuff. You know, that's what kind of turned me onto yoga is I've told the story a million times, but I was like 30 years old and did my first yoga class on TV, you know, like you're saying on the YouTube. This is back on TV, the woman on PBS. And at the end she goes, OK, do Shavasana and now rest for a minute and, you know, do yeah, do Shavasana at the end, you know, and let your mind not talk anymore. And I swear to God, Sam, for like a half a second, my mind shut down and I was like, it was a changing moment for my life because up until that point, I didn't think I was in there if the voice wasn't in there. If the voice wasn't in there, I didn't think there was anything else, you know? So to understand that distinction, which I understand now, which is that voice is saying all sorts of crazy stuff about how I need weed or how I need coke or, you know, one more drink or just whatever the hell it is, you know, at the point. It all to me, once you really confront the voice and realize how ridiculous it is, it's also telling you what is the voice tell you? Everybody knows does the voice does the voice inside your head? Does it regularly tell you what a really deep, soulful and genuinely beautiful person you are? Or does it tell you what a fuck up you are and how many mistakes you've made and how you didn't even call your frickin' daughter today and what are you? And, you know, which which voice is in your head? I mean, I tell you, you know, I think we all know the voice that's usually there. Yeah, it's crazy. I never really thought about it like that. This kind of inner voice that is like, you know, it's my favorite line from Waiting for Guthman. And it's like she goes, I've learned to not trust my instincts. Like, and I was like, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life, especially when you're talking about improv, but just talking in general. It's like, I'm not going to trust my instinct, which is that little voice that will tell you and like, I guess, ma'am, for me, that voice, I've learned to rewire it. So it's saying different things. And I've really learned that because I come from very paranoid people, which is my father used to give me crime boss advice on how to deal with people. And I would look back and I'd be like, oh, my God, what was that advice? Man, it was because his dad told him that. And this is so, you know, I've had this conversation again on the last episode about stopping the generational trauma of like, I'm not going to instill my daughters that this person's jealous of you because of how great you are. It's an awful way to go through life. I've learned in life, probably most people don't realize what they're doing. If they do give you some shit, it's probably a drive by shooting. They're not meaning to hit you. They're just pulling the trigger and whoever they hit, they hit. So I have and that is like why I do a gratitude list every day. I try to do a daily one in a life when the life is so long that I sometimes I'll do it at night, but it really is about, hey, man, you have it pretty fucking good. Here's nine things that you should be freaking proud of and how great this is. And that if it doesn't go your way, this is stuff I've really had to train myself, Alex, to get into, which is if it did work out the way you want to, there's a bigger plan down the line and to open your mind to that. And that things that you wish you could have gotten back in the day, maybe wasn't the right thing for you to have at that moment. That's how I operate. I think the gratitude thing, I mean, like I do all this stuff. I have a list of questions, the kind of the same thing, you know, that every day they pop up in my thing, you know, ask myself questions. I go out and do breathing exercises. I go to the beach, do yoga. I break my life down and around all these little things that I build into my life to keep me from being depressed and angry. And not that it works 100 percent, but it's like, gosh, I don't know. That's the other thing I guess about when we're talking about the addiction thing, it's like, bro, we're all working the program. I mean, whether you're addicted or not, we're all working the program. If you're not working the program, that's what I'm saying. Like I don't totally trust people who aren't sober because it's like, how are you not working the program? That's the only way I get through life is working my program. You know, what do you think about that? I think it's interesting. I also know that just there's just some people that can just do it. And I like I would love to be one of them. I'm just not them. I don't know why, but they can. I don't know, man. I understand what you're saying. They're like, because when sobriety comes this like this incredible amount of looking inside yourself and personal inventory that I don't think a lot of people do. But some maybe they do it in their life in a way that isn't as structured and as obvious as we do it because we realize that if we don't do this, we're going to let the darkness back out. Everybody's interesting, dude. It's like Rogan is a great example of a guy who's batting average in life. It's so fucking high. And you're like, how does this guy connect all the time? He's always like getting on base or hitting a home run. And when he doesn't, it's even that's more successful. Now there's who knows what his kermitic journey is. It's interesting, though. I think about it all the time because again, my next door neighbors, they're the nicest people ever. They would run through a brick wall for you and they just love to go hard in the pain and it's like, God bless you because that's not me. Because when it starts off with a drink and a toke, a weed goes into coke and then speed and then I'm trying to set high scores on Pornhub again. And none of that means anything to me anymore. It's wasted energy. Well, you know, the one other thing I like about what you said is some people do exhibit a grace and ability to handle life in a way that is just remarkable, and it does seem, you know, like you said, a karmic path. I mean, it does seem like there's something about that. And I think you're right about people like you and I and, you know, have a certain background or a certain, you know, we all have trauma. Everyone has trauma. That's a given. But we just have a certain recipe that requires us to find a way through that I can relate to and maybe that's why I can, you know, I can relate to a lot of things you're saying and can relate to you personally is because I do feel like you're you're working the program. And I feel like I'm always working the program. You know, I'm always working the program. I listen, man. So you know that I'm like I'm really into like the game of life. You know, pop culture is demonized. So much stuff that I think is super important. One of them is oh, he plays the game well. And then, oh, well, that means he's like some phony kind of dude. And I go, oh, man, for me, the ability to play the game like. Me and you podcast right now, I feel like I talked a little too much and I would like to have heard you too much more, maybe in the comments section. I'd be like, Sam, let's talk, you dumbass. I'll be like, you know what? I didn't play the game of this right. I should have gave Alex a little more time to talk because I don't get to talk to him as much as I would like. And he's got some wonderful things to say. That's the game of life. When I was very young, a comic named Jimmy Schuber pulled me aside. And this kind of early where it starts my journey to understand that my wiring isn't serving me anymore. And he pulls me aside and goes, dude, you're super funny, dude. I've seen funny, you got it. But man, you got the worst attitude ever. You think people owe you something and you think you've accomplished something. And it sounds really mean, but it was 100 percent correct. I was just not playing the game of life very well because I was playing it the way I was taught. And that's not how it goes. And I'm so thankful for Jimmy Schuber for talking and telling me that and being nice enough to give me hard advice and to chill out and just enjoy the journey. And I wish I could pull some of these young cats in Hollywood aside and just go, I've seen people do what you do. It doesn't work. You don't understand the game. You're trying to change this game. You don't change the game. You have to change yourself and beat the game. And by beating the game in a way, you inspire people to change the way they play the game. And that's how you do it. And you just can't do with some of these young kids because they got a lot of idealistic views of life, but they won't listen to other people because culture is like old people don't know shit. And I do think that's done on purpose. And this is part of this whole thing about the rewriting of history. Right. They just don't want you and your grandparents or you and your grandkids to have the same information. So there's a disconnect and it's done on purpose. But the game of life is everything. And I like I just used to want to go to war with people. Now it's just like, you know, that's their journey, bro. I'm out of it. Maybe you don't do it the way I want it or I think it should be done. But God bless you. I wish you luck on that. And I'm going to try to do the best I can. You know, that's tough because you touch on a couple of things that, you know, back to, you know, the kind of parenting stuff and that kind of thing. And the one thing that that, you know, as I get older, I can kind of relate to is remember the old people, you know, back east. When you that just seemed to have wisdom, you know. And when I think of the wisdom that some of those people had, a lot of times it was they knew when to shut the fuck up. You know, they just knew when to shut the fuck up. So you'd be off doing something, saying something, you're a young buck, you know, and they just sit there and they just smile and they just kind of like you're doing something, you know, life will be your teaching, it will be your teacher. You know, I don't have to do it. And that's how I kind of feel with my kids right now. And, you know, my oldest, I told him that, you know, because he was his younger brother was this and that. And I was like, hey, life's going to take care of life's the teacher. You know, I really don't have to do. I don't have to do all the lessons. You know, what do you think of that? I think it's interesting. You know, I do really do believe that unless a major trauma happens, your children are on their path. And like, it's kind of like with a ship where you can kind of like kind of push it just a little bit like the ship fair enough. Just maybe as a parent, you're like, boop. And it's like starts to turn that way a little bit more. And that's your job, man. They're coming in this world and they have a path and they want to learn. And your job is to keep them out of horrific trauma that could throw them off the train tracks and onto another track. And I, you know, like the women in my life. All love to watch YouTube's and enjoying groups about parenting and all the women I know that have kids, all the women I know. And I go, man, I think you just know it. You just know it like there's little things you could use some advice on on how to do this, like how to burp. Nobody teaches you how to that how important burping is to newborns. Like, and you're just going to be sitting here trying to hear a burp. And you're like, was that a burp? Do I keep just going smacking this kid on the back? And it's like, you got to be patient, man. You got to be patient. And but I do think children are on their path, man. And look at me, dude. I mean, like my parents, they always were supportive, even when it looked like I was going to pump gas. And when I said I wanted to be a comic, they were like, fuck, yeah, anything at this point, go. And they always have been support. They never, even when they didn't understand it, my father would could not understand the model of entertainment. And but he was always supportive of it. And he would come watch me perform and, you know, I I've looked back at some of the ways I've talked about my father and I really regret it because I know that he went through trauma and I should show him some love as a victim and understand that, you know, if he couldn't be an example, he was a wonderful warning and my father and I and like that's why I ran to alcoholics anonymous. That's why I ran to recovery because I was doing the exact same thing. I was with everybody. I thought I was jealous of me because I was so great. I thought they were thinking about me all the time. Well, the greatest moments ever. It was in recovery when it finally dawned on me that nobody's thinking about me and not in a bad way. Nobody's thinking of me. It's such a blessing. I am free and the killer's in the house, man. The killer's in the house. When you realize the killer's in the house, right? Man, you can deal with that a lot quicker. And it's a blessing. Yes. I live it, bro. Where did you find where did you find that? Where did you find the wisdom? Who who did you look to? Looking back was wise. Anybody? Well, when I was growing up, there was a teacher named Dr. Vorce who was just the first person to ever give me and I realized it. I was like, wow, this guy just lets me go. I was a squared peg in a round hole. And I just never fit in school. Never. My brother was very, very good at school, very good at everything. Was very good. I was not. And when I say they thought I was going to pump gas, I'm not even kidding. That was the expectations of me. And then I went to college and I was just my father, man. I was just always in survival mode. I had no clue how to deal with women. I had no clue how to deal with anything. And it wasn't till I really I went out on the road with Vince Vaughn one time. I bombed so hard I never saw him again. And I had to get right. And I just went on this journey and then I got a TV show because things were going great and I started popping these pain killers because I was doing stunts and then that it was off the coke. And then this chick one wanted me to do speed with her because I had a sex addiction. I was like, OK, I did. And then I off on that for a long time. And then these two baby girls came into my life and I had to survive because this pandemic had just hit and I was just doing these spiritual shows on Tim Full Hat and nobody wanted to listen to them. I would get these these things do we don't want to hear about this stuff. We want to hear about the deep state and all that. And I'm like, man, but these things are like giving me hope. So they're like, hey, man, Rockford's like, do something. OK, I'm going to do a spiritual show that we're in a pandemic. We're in a lockdown. I need to fucking I need to make money. These guys are going to throw me some cash. I'm going to do it. And I just been on this journey and I've learned so much from people like Hugh and and Bert's driver, Von Galt. These are like people who made like, you know, Amy Belair, Matt Belair. Like these are people who have like made incredible like impact on my view of the world and really change me from this kind of like Scorch the Earth, Kaiser Sose guy to like, you know, man, let's just chill by the side of the river and way to our enemies. Bodies float by and that's kind of where I am right now. Let's just chill and then my babies came and I hit a rock bottom because I was a tweaker and I had kids and I was like, I never want to be that person, so I stopped and like. But all you know, here I am and every day I only got 24 hours, man. But I don't like the thought of embarrassing those children just makes me so sad. So I'm like, I'm not going to do it. I'm going to embarrass them in so many other wonderful ways. You know, like I don't need to fuck on them. And that's kind of where it is. So zero is really open my mind. And what's really crazy is like now I start bringing some people that I mean on zero on the tin full hat and those numbers get huge numbers because they've gotten to the point where it's like conspiracy leads to spirituality and that's the blessing. Yeah. And I'm like, I say the other way around too, you know. It just keeps going in a loop, right? It just keeps going. It's kind of interesting the other way around. Then I'll let you get on with your life. But, you know, if you just go look at at the spirituality, you know, you go look at Christianity. Well, there's conspiracy all over the place. One hundred percent. So so it's like that's what most people, a lot of people are wrapping themselves around that and saying, that's my spirituality. You know, don't that don't don't mess with my religious beliefs, you know. And from if you come at that from a conspiratorial standpoint, you really gain some insights that are valuable. You go, really, what about this? What about this? Have you considered this? What about the Pope? What about, you know, all that stuff? So it goes the other way too, right? Because you've covered a lot. One hundred percent. I mean, the most safest place to be is, I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm open minded to it. And I feel like when you entrench yourself in any ideology, you are setting yourself up to be let down. And if you you think all these psyops and all this conspiracy is happening to this, why couldn't it be happening to this? And why can't you be part of this this long con going on? That's been done on humanity. And but, you know, people like Jesus and Buddha and all these people, I'm open minded to everything they did. Do I need to go one hundred percent? The story that we're told is one hundred percent no. But I don't know, man. It just like you listen to this kind of I'm really in the Christ consciousness. I think Jesus or whatever his name was, reached the level of that. But maybe who knows? I'm just open minded to it. And I'm open minded to it all. And I can't tell you what it's like good luck, man. It's like there's so much deceit for decades, centuries, millennium. They've been lying to us. So, you know, all you can do is what feels right. And that's what I do. What what feels good and what feels good to me is law of attraction, Marvel abundance, OK, and I believe that I believe that there's one sin. And that sin is did you bring pain and suffering to others? And if you did, you pay a price. If you didn't, I think the universe is yours. You know, it's all about that life review that we're going to face, you know, that the NDE or is the near death experience come back and they say, and you know, the most beautiful thing that they say, Sam, that I remember is, yeah, baby, you are facing that life review. You are going to be judged for everything you had, every thought you had and how it affected every person. Oh, yeah. Here's but here's the trick. The judge is going to be you. You're the judge. Your soul is the judge into this. Now that switches the whole thing. I mean, oh, it's not some guy up on the clouds saying good or bad. It's me. I'm responsible for every thought I have in every yelling at my daughter when she's leaving to go see her boyfriend. You know, I'm responsible for all that. You know, that's a different that rings true to me at a level all the way down. It's like, oh, I've been hearing that, man. That you're going to be like, I don't want to do this anymore. And I want to get to a higher level. It's interesting, man. It's one of my favorite conversations I have. What is it? How long are we into the Vedic's? Right? Are we in the Sumerians? Like all this stuff, it's so interesting to me. Alex, I'm kept it too long. I could talk to you forever, Alex. I got to get you back on Tim Full Hat. There's other discussions I'd like to have with you. I'm really into what really happened. I know you were talking about the West Memphis three before, but you brought up something earlier today you didn't think was true. I mean, I'm into all that stuff. We need to get more, have some more discussions. I'll set it up and get you on the show. I'd love to talk to you one more time. Tell them where they can find you, because I know you're putting out this on your, your stuff too. So wherever you want to go. Skeptico, you'll find it. Alex, it's Skeptico. You'll find it. And we've got some cool stuff that, you know, we can talk about. I'd love to have you on there sometime. I know because I know you're I know you're always you're always busy. But I'd love to have you on there to talk about some of the stuff that we've talked about in kind of a more structured way, you know, kind of pull you in because I think that, you know, it's really cool. The people that really dug into as many of these areas as you have, there's a lot of knowledge to be mined out of there. And one of the things that kind of frustrates me is so this need to produce all this content, which we all have, but there's like 50 year shows that I would go back and go, hey, Sam, let's go back. And what about this and how did you want me to do that? Go back and review old episodes, which I'm not. Yes. Yes. Maybe I'll do that. Maybe I'll people request episodes for me to rewatch on StreamYard. I'm in now. Any time that's what we're going to do. We're going to have you on and I'm going to pick like 10, 10 of your favorite episodes and we're going to talk about. All right, let's do it, dude. Well, Alex, you know, I look for I met you one time. You saw me live. I don't even know how it went that day, but I do have a general general love for you. And I appreciate it. And I every time we talk, I just feel like a better person after. So thank you for coming on, dude. And you're great. And your and your stand up is so fricking first rate I would pay. I love Joe Rogan. Greatest of all time as a podcaster. Greatest of all time. MMA announcer. I wouldn't pay to see a show. I'd pay to see you anytime. Let me know when you're in San Diego. I love Rogan and I'm like, dude, I just there's some guys out there like Joey Diaz. And like there's some young kids coming up to that. Great. But I love you, brother. And I look forward to if I'm ever down in San Diego, gigging. I'd love to meet up for dinner. Yeah, great. We'll do it. We'll do it. All right, brother. Love you. I got your email. Send you this. We'll talk. Guys, I hope you enjoyed this. Zero's just getting started. I want to make this a giant thing. And we love you very much. Take care. Have a great week. Bye.