 So let me go ahead and just start the recording. Good. And so this morning's webinar is really meant to give you an overview of the upcoming meeting. It will be a relatively short presentation, about 20, 25 minutes or so. And we'll have plenty of time for any questions and answers that come up. We also have plans to ask you a little bit about your expectations and so on. So hopefully it will be a nice interactive session as well. Let me hand over and introduce my colleague Nicole. Nicole Wu, who will be running us through today's presentation. Nicole, over to you. Hi, everyone. This is Nicole. And thank you so much for taking the time to join us for today's webinar. So first off, I want to say that today's webinar is just an info session to get you familiar with the concept of scaling and also the tool that we'll be using for the in-person workshop. So basically the workshop will be three days, in sometime in February or early March this year. So we are currently trying to fix the date. And hopefully we will send our doodle today and to try to find a date for us to meet physically. And the first two days will be for the scaling scan assessment, which is a collective assessment done by all of us, hopefully. And the next one day will be the scaling, where before the scaling team to reflect and summary from the scaling scan assessment and funding. So the goal of the scaling workshop is to assess the interventions towards achieving a sustainable system change in the Tanzania Dairy Value Chain, including develop realistic scaling ambitions and also identify the key challenges and potential solutions to deal with the challenges and also to identify potential partners. This will be a foundation for developing the scaling strategy for Tanzania Dairy Value Chain. So for the webinar today, as Ido and I briefly mentioned just now, I will introduce a few for the concept of scaling and also the CRP approach that we'll be using to assess the potential scalability of the innovations. So we want you to understand multiple dimensions of scaling and also the significant role of non-technical factors with the scaling method in the project planning. And also I want you guys to be familiar with the scaling scan tool that we'll be using during the in-person workshop and to understand where we are. So now I want to ask you to, it will be really helpful if you can briefly introduce yourself, like your name, organization, or company role and any previous work related to scaling and a little bit about your expectation on the scaling things. OK, thank you, Nicole. Maybe to help facilitate it, let me facilitate that because I see the list of participants and I suggest we do it in alphabetical order. So the first one would be Pascal, who's showing up as 50750. Pascal, whenever you're ready, please unmute yourself and quickly introduce yourself. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. Yes, I'm Pascal Tequi. I work for SNV and the dairy project that is supporting women and the youth to create employment and improve income. The project is implemented in two districts of Kilmangaro region, Hahi and Siha districts. Thank you very much. Thank you. I suppose the next person is the person who has admin as their name. Please go ahead, admin, whoever you are. OK, I'm not sure who admin is, so let us maybe park that and you can flag your hand and come back to us later. I think the next person on the list would be a Jeremiah. OK, thank you. The next person we have on the list is Alice Nehu. Alice. Good morning, everyone. This is Alice Nehu. I'm working with the CRP Livestock in the Program Management Unit. OK, thank you. And the next person on the list is Amos. Amos, please go ahead. I send out the invitations to you and I look forward to hearing this presentation and any feedback. OK, thank you. Next on the list is Edwin. Edwin, please go ahead. Yeah, good morning. My name is Edwin Cangever. I'm a digital extension and scaling specialist with impactor scale. And I think my expectation around this work is to see what role some of the digital work that we do can play in scaling research outputs or achieving the scaling objectives. Thank you. OK, thanks, Edwin. The next person on the list is Ernest. Ernest, please go ahead and mute yourself. Yes, hi, everyone. Hi. Yeah, so my name is Ernest and I'm from Maglipo Focus. We are actually a network organization. There's an Arusha and we are, let's say, focusing this year around two areas, one of them being dairy. We have quite a lot of experience on dairy. We have been engaged, of course, by eerie for a number of events. And now we're expecting to be more proactive to see how best we can spread knowledge, our knowledge, especially Dutch knowledge, to different key stakeholders in the sector. And probably our main interest is to see that there is an increase in consumption of milk, processed milk in Tanzania. Sorry, I just joined a little bit late. No, no, that's a great introduction. Thank you very much, Ernest. Yeah. Thanks very much. And let us continue with the next person on our list of introductions, which is Florence Mutua. Florence, please unmute yourself. Hello, good morning. My name is Florence Mutua. I work with eerie based at the Darisaram office. I don't know much about scaling, and that's why I've joined this meeting to get to learn more. Thank you. Good. Thank you, Florence. And the next person on our list is Henry Kiara. Henry. Good morning. My name is Henry Kiara. I work in eerie based in Nairobi. I lead the animal health component. And we've made some efforts at scaling technology, particularly one vaccine. And I'm hoping we'll learn more. We are not very successful previously, so I'm hoping new innovation might better prepare this time around. Thank you. Good. Thank you for that, Henry. Well noted. The next person on the list is appearing as Ima. Maybe it's short for Immaculate. Please unmute yourself and introduce yourself. Good morning, everyone. My name is Immaculate Omondi. So you're right. Ima is the short for Immaculate. I'm an agricultural economist. I'm supporting Eury's Masiwa's ID project. So thanks. Sure. Thanks, Immaculate, for the introduction. Our next participant has listed or is listed as iPhone. And so if you know who you are, iPhone, please unmute and introduce yourself. Hello, everyone. Hello. Yes. Yes, my name is Miriam Koni. I work for Solidarity Dad. I'm a country manager based in Arusha. Wonderful. Something on your work related to scaling or your expectations? Expectation about the program or about the call. OK, maybe not. So let us continue. The next person on the list is Jane Poole. Jane. Hi, I'm Jane Poole. I work with Alice supporting the Livestock CRP country project, including Tanzania on design and monitoring and evaluation. So I'm interested to see what sort of learning and contributions the scaling, assessing scaling can contribute to that. Sure. Thank you for that, Jane. Next on the list is LR Corrigila. Please unmute yourself. OK, LR, you may be having difficulties to unmute. So let's come back to you a little bit later to see if you are able to join and introduce. And let's move to the next person on the list, which is Steve Kay. Steve. Good morning, everyone. My name is Steve. I work for Dalberg as a partner and a co-director for our Tanzanian office. For those who probably don't know Dalberg, we are a global management consult thing from. And we also implement quite a number of projects. From a Tanzanian perspective, we're doing quite a lot of work with the Ministry of Livestock and Fisheries, supporting the private sector desk and looking at a probably long-term engagement with them. We've also done a bit of work around the dairy sector and recently completed a study with the Ministry of Livestock and Fisheries, with the dairy board and the National Bureau of Statistics. My interest from this call is basically also to learn about scaling and just to understand what this dimensional scaling looks like, because there could be multiple dimensions of scaling. But we'd love to understand scaling from this viewpoint on that. Great. Thank you, Steve. Lovely to have you on with us. Let us move to the next person on our list. We're coming towards the tail end here. So just another minute or two. Todd Gray, Todd, please unmute yourself. Good morning. Yeah, my name is Todd Crane. I'm a researcher at ILRI, particularly interested in the kind of mechanisms of inclusivity and access in scaling processes. Great. Thanks, Todd. The next person is Walter M. Walter. Please unmute yourselves. The floor is yours. OK, so we may be having some difficulties for Walter to connect. The last person on the list doesn't seem to have their audio connected, so I hope they can hear us. But we will not be able to hear them, so I will not pass the floor to them. Let me try once more to see if LR Corilla is able to introduce themselves now. OK, if not, then let us now begin. I think we have a sense of more or less who's on the call and we have a nice mix of core team members, as well as people who are interested in understanding a bit more about scaling, which is great, which is exactly what we're for. And with that, let me hand it over back to Nicole to continue with the presentation. Yes, Walter, did you want to introduce yourself quickly? Please go ahead if so. Yes, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Yes, I'm Walter Mangesho, working for Tanzania Lifetalk Research Institute, which is really best in Danga Center. Basically, I'm very much involved in faster and forwarder's activities and in the Lifetalk program activities, which are a daily case of activity. I've been involved in various projects, like American Indian Tanzania project that ended up like six years ago, and also the moment project. I'm very much interested in this sort of scaling and the dimension of scale, but what is it and how can it be? Good, so hopefully this will be a useful overview for you. Thank you very much, Walter, for that quick introduction. And with that, Nicole, back over to you. OK, thank you, everyone, for the introduction. And for the people who joined us later, I just want to mention again today's webinar, we just want to introduce the concept of scaling and also introduce a little bit more about the scaling scan tool that we will be using for the in-person workshop probably happen later this month in the US. OK, so to come up with a systematic way, evaluating our current technological innovation in the ERY and the CRP's contact, we did a literature review on the existing framework and tools approach to see what kind of current evaluation approach they're using to see the scalability of the innovation. And we also did interviews with the tool developers and also scaling professionals to see their insights. So in the end, we developed a synopsis document, which is to be published in the next month, hopefully, and to show our review and evaluation of all the tools. So here is the diagram to briefly show the process that the CRP and ERY will take to do the scaling assessment. We already conducted several runs of the kickoff meetings here. As our next step is the in-person workshop to use the scaling scan and the ASAT, which means agricultural scalability assessment tool to define a scaling pathway. So we will have an initial scaling report after the workshop that summarizes all the fundings and insights shared at the workshop. And we are going to do some data validation and follow up, and potentially, we're going to do another deep dive for detailed analysis using another tool called Scaling Readiness. And if there are other suitable tools, we also open the flexibility to that. And in the end, we were developed a scaling plan to ensure our research outputs are translated into the outcomes and reach the impact scale with appropriate partners and also to make sure the research investments result in impact with improved efficiency and effectiveness in the longer term. So the scaling plan will include a clear scaling pathway for the specific and selected innovations. And also, we will have the strategic action for the next steps. In the workshop, we reform the foundation and your inputs are really valuable for us to understand the current practice and the environment. So before we actually looking at the innovation package, we should understand the concept of what is scaling. There are different definitions for scaling. It is like something happens just after piloting. And according to the summit, which is also one of the developer of the Scaling Scan tool, they have three relevant concepts, respectively. The scaling out means reaching more people with the innovations through model application and extension. This also includes the concept here, like higher adoption rates and reach more people. And typically, we are aiming at 100,000 people. And then we'll call it in the scaling stage. And it also have the concept of scaling map, which refers to transforming institutional conditions, including policies, strategic partnerships for effective efficient scaling outs. This is like a more internal process to make sure the environment is conducive for the scaling. The other concept is scaling deep, which means to changing minds, values, and cultural practices by a series of awareness-raising activities and capacity building to make people accept the new innovation from a deep side. It also means the long-lasting impact with system changes. So I know most of you guys probably participated in the Agra Business Forum last year in October. So we already have something to scale. The first thing from the Tanzanian team solution is called the integrated package for piloting. And this approach included two types of packages. The first one is the enabling package and the Agra Business working in the down-revalue chain. And this is going to enable them to grow and build the capacity to deliver their businesses and create a market system. The second type is core delivery packages aimed at the group of smallholder direct producers but also for the individual producers to focus on their livelihood. You can see the table on the right. This is a sample of one of the enabling package that you can see from the table that even if for a sample packages there include a lot of things. And for scaling, each package will involve a core innovation and several complementary ones. They are all important to trigger the success for scaling. Here I have a question. What is the most important and most prospective core innovation in the Tanzania down-revalue chain to you? And if anyone comes up with ideas, please unmute yourself and just go ahead. So again, just to repeat, this is a part where we'd like to get some quick feedback from people who are involved as to what you feel are the important perspectives and innovations for very value chain innovations in Tanzania just so that we can have a little bit of feedback from the participants at this point. Feel free to unmute yourself and go ahead. Proposing, suggesting one innovation that I think should be a priority. That is feeding innovations to increase productivity. Saying this because many animals, many cows do not seem to be fed so they can exploit their full genetic potential. So how do we ensure that many farmers are able to access the right feeding innovations so that they can fully exploit the genetic potential of the graded crossbred or great animals that they own? Let me comment. My feeling is the approach we are proposing for the delivery of these technologies through entrepreneurs and ensuring you're combining both technical innovation with enabling environment. I think it's quite unique in that in the past we have either constituted too much on technical innovation and you see where it's published mechanisms like coming systems. But I think this approach to try and support entrepreneurs to deliver technologies I think is quite unique and I'm really looking forward to see how that pans out. Because then you are sure of sustainability because it's a business approach and hopefully they will see the benefit and continue along as the project has come to an end. So, Steve here, I can probably add to what the two speakers have mentioned. I think from my perspective and again on the call, I would think about the breeds that we have at least if you think about Tanzania, how do we make our breeds more productive? So definitely the feed story but equally how do we go through a breed transition that actually makes sense particularly to rural communities and we can access services to this community. And I think it's a bit of a comprehensive story there. So it's not just artificial insemination but it's also vet services and the likes and how we get those to local communities. But I do like the idea around how we create private sector-led models that do that. And then the other part for me is the market. So the consumer market for dairy, how do we actually build that? Because as we increase productivity from cows and build up a strong market, that's able to consume enough of dairy produce locally at the right price. Hello. Please go ahead, Julien. I tried to type in a comment. I don't know if it got through. If it got through, it should be fine with me. I was looking at using livestock performance data to influence decisions on breed improvement. Basically it's the data capture platform and tools that we're using to identify the most productive breeds within the system and then the farmers adopting the breeds. Thank you, Julien. Anyone else before we move on? This is not an exhaustive list, but please go ahead. Who is speaking? Is it Walter? Yes, I just want to comment on the previous speaker who was, I think it was Amos, who was talking about the fielding innovation. I was also thinking of the fees and forages that you can take the approach of innovation platform that is seemed to work very positively in terms of improving, feeling availability to livestock keepers as well as improving the daily productivity. So I think that is the most post-public coin or version in the Tadaniya Valu Chain. It will involve all other daily Valu Chain actors. Can I come in with a comment? Yes, please go ahead. Quickly, maybe introduce yourself. Yeah, this is Lusato Kurigira from Tokwaini University of Wabi Pasha, Tanzania. And I think the issue of productivity is a much dimension one. And one of the elements that is really holding back productivity on many smallholder farms is the issue of breeding and reproduction. There are often too many unproductive animals in the dairy head. The carving intervals tend to be too long. So you find a few milking animals supporting the rest of the head and that pushes down for stability quite a lot. So I think there's a lot that we can do in improving productivity by targeting, breeding and then with the reproduction efficiency. Right, thank you for that. I suggest we stop here for now. I think we've gotten quite a number of views and it helps us shape the discussion and understand where we're coming from. Of course, in the meeting, we would want to dig much deeper into this with you and have a group consensus and arrive at how we can prioritize and what we should look at from the scaling perspectives. But for now, let us move on and let me hand it back to Nicole. Nicole, over to you. Okay, thank you for all the contributions. So from what I just heard, the answers cover a lot of different topics like animal health, genetics, market and community linkages, use of data and also productivity. But from the in-person workshop, we are expecting to use the scaling scan tool to review and identify the most ready core technology along with the package. So if we're going to prioritize for only one or two most prospective technologists, the scaling scan tool is here for our review. So as a tool for assessing the potential scalability, it has three steps. The first step is to construct the scaling ambition and describes what you want to scale for whom, where and for how many people, like the size of the target population and who are going to lead the efforts, when it will happen and why we're doing this. And also include the responsibility check and system check to ensure the scaling ambition that we come up with will achieve the system change and also to be responsible both socially and environmentally. The second step is to check the 10 scaling ingredients. As you can see the picture on the right, it covers 10 different ingredients that are the most important factors to contribute to our success for scaling, including the technology, awareness of demand and you can see other factors here. We will do a group assessment with these 40 questions, four for each and the result will be showing graphs. After we did this assessment, we're going to identify the key strength and challenges for the proposed scaling strategy. So here is a sample for the questions. This is for the second ingredients and you can see the four questions here. We're going to do the score for each of them ranging from one to five. So one means that you are not certain about if this exists and five means you're very confident about we already achieved this. So for the four scores we have here, we will get an average and this will be the final score in this section. So in the end, we want to get the outputs include a smart scaling ambition and critical factors. Here are the example like the things we want to have for the scaling ambition in the end. And there are definitely things we try to avoid like in our previous practice, there are people mentioning about really, really specific and small numbers like nine farmers or 10 kilograms. That's the things we definitely want to avoid because that's not the scaling in the concept that we introduced before. And based on the 40 questions here, we will have Excel sheets. If you enter the data, it will automatically generate a graph. You can see from the graph, we can easily identify the most, the biggest of three challenges are the finance, value chain and public sector governance. But the tool itself doesn't come up with any solutions. So we're going to come up with the solutions and matching the resources and partnerships by ourselves. After the workshop, we were such a summary scaling scan reports and me as a scaling coordinator, I will be doing the follow up with the workshop participants. Hopefully most of you guys will be there in other key stakeholders. We'll do the data validation and after we prioritize technology and innovation package, we're also going to collect information like the current business case and market linkages. And we're also going to do the stakeholder network and market analysis. So for the next step, we have the plan to do a deep life scaling readiness assessment as I introduced in the process diagram if the resource is permitting. And we're going to prepare a scaling plan in the end for the direct activity in Tanzania. So from today's webinar, I just want to get you guys prepared for the assessment and think about the enabling environment for successful scaling. And thank you all ahead and looking forward to meet all of you guys in Tanzania. Santiasana. Thank you very much, Nicole. And so this concludes the short presentation part, but the floor is open for any questions, both of clarifications, as well as other questions about the scaling process and anything related. So feel free to unmute yourself and jump in if you have any questions or comments. Just a general comment. First of all, thanks a lot, Nicole, for that very clear presentation. To everyone who is participating here, a number of you were involved in the workshop that we had in Moshi that Nicole referred to. The hope is that we use the next workshop to which we will invite all of you who are participating in this webinar and the hope is that we can build on what we did during the workshop then so that as we intervene in various ways with our partners, you know, SNB, Solidaridad, other partners, we may work with various service providers, we may do so with the end in mind. And the end in mind is basically to scale out the various technologies and innovations that we will be piloting with agripreneurs and hoping that the agripreneurs deliver these profitably to farmers to increase their incomes and productivity. Thank you. Amos, thank you for that comment. I am, we, during that workshop you referred to, we, at some point, we were to start spouting for what the potential partners as agripreneurs are. I don't know where we are on that and whether they will be an opportunity to see the landscape, whether they really are there or are we starting from scratch or because I think that creates the code to any sort of effort of getting some of the technologies. Well, I think the primary partners are those who we have been interacting with, including in the workshops to prepare the intervention that we are thinking about. To mention a few, I think, and we've had recent interactions with them and they are in this webinar that is Solidaridad SNV, but there are several others and we hoping as a next step, we're going to have some scoping to identify various service providers, actors and the networks in which they are involved so that we can work with those who are most able to help us to scale out the interventions that we will be testing and promoting. Okay, thank you very much. May I take the silence to be that there are not many questions pending, but let me explicitly ask if there are any further questions that anyone wishes to ask at this stage. Not a question, but to correct a statement mentioned by Nicole that the workshop we are expecting to invite participants in this webinar too. We'll not be held in doubt. We are hoping we will hold it in the same venue where we held it last time in Moshi. Thank you very much. That's an important clarification. Thank you for that, Nemos. And indeed, we will follow up today with a short doodle for options for dates. The next few weeks to meet. So if everyone could take the time today, when you get that to take two minutes and quickly indicate your availability, that would be greatly appreciated as it would help us with the planning. And we would also share the recording of this as well as the slides that were presented today with everyone. So you can have a chance to go through it and digest it more and come more ready for the workshop that we'll be holding in Moshi. So if there are no further questions or comments from everyone, please join me in thanking Nicole and thanks to all of you for having taken the time this morning to join us. And that would be all from my side. Thank you. Good. So thanks very much, everyone and a good rest of the day to you all. And please look out for an email from Amos or ourselves for the date coming to your inbox soon. Thank you very much again.