 Góvnó Káberi Úsuf rejects appeal courts explanation of typo error in certified true copy as Yoruba community orges, orbers, others to intervene in Karno political unrest. I am Borla Oba, and this is Plus Politics. The Karno state government has rejected the appeal courts explanation that the error in the certified true copy CTC of its judgment on the state's governorship election was a typographical forpor. The court initially declared APCs Nasiru Gawuna as the winner, but the certified true copy CTC of the judgment surfaced on Wednesday indicating that the court had affirmed Yusuf's victory. Contrary to the verdict it had earlier given on Friday and indeed parts of that same verdict indicated that it affirmed its position earlier given on Friday. I don't know the dairy, the Karno state commissioner for justice criticized the courts explanation. Meanwhile Yoruba community members in Karno state have urged all national Yoruba leaders and intellectuals to engage with President Borla Tinumbu on a political solution to the state's political impasse. Taofiq allow Shebikon, the group secretary general, made the request during a press conference in Karno. He called on all Yoruba owners and leaders of thought to wade into the Karno situation without further delay by engaging President Borla met Tinumbu for a possible political settlement of the Karno legislature. He noted that the Yoruba community is worried that the unfolding political situation will have adverse effects on the community in the state. Take a listen. It is clear to all that the NMPP won the state. We are very worried that the unfolding political situation will have adverse effects on the Yoruba state in Karno. Karno is a very volatile state politically and this is the reason why all men and women of good way should be concerned about the situation in Karno and rally around towards a collective initiative to save the state from any calamity which will affect us and our livelihood. In this regard, we are using this platform to call on all Yoruba owners and leaders of thought to wade into the Karno situation without further delay by engaging President Borla met Tinubu for a possible political settlement of the Karno logjam. It is clear to all This issue is an Executive Director Center for Awareness on Justice and Accountability Kajar Kabiru Saeed Udakata and the lawyer Abdul Karim Mordi are both based in Karno. Gentlemen, welcome to PlusPolitics. Thank you very much for having us. Let me start with you Kabiru. I wonder what the supplication of the Yoruba group would amount to given the fact that this is a course that is already on the machinery of the judicial system. Would you want to help us here? How would you respond to that? I think we need to appreciate the fact that there are also key stakeholders and they have every right to contribute to anything that will ensure justice to anybody involved in the matter and they did what they did because they believe if the right thing is not done it will affect everybody including their members in the state. So what they did is not in any way against the fact that the issue is still passing through a judicial process but they know that if justice is not done definitely most innocent people are going to be affected. So if I understand their message this is exactly the direction of their message and I think they did the right thing as key stakeholders. Abdukarim Anybody who is familiar with the history of Karno knows that for almost 300 years now be it a succession to the army or indeed the governorship of Karno partisanship can be very volatile and violent in Karno. To anybody who is looking at it from outside the realm of the law maybe this shout is necessary. I know you are a lawyer you may want to help us from the two sides the legal view of it and the appeal of the Yoruba group. We may have to go back to Kabir whilst Abdukarim is trying to tidy the workings of his device. Kabir how would you respond to the fact that there is a history of rabbit and violent partisanship in Karno even predating the modern system of government that produces governor even in the area of the army or ship. So this situation has to be well managed I guess how would you respond to that? You are right to say that that history is there and that will not be unconnected with the orientation of the Karno people Karno people are civilized Karno people know their rights Karno people can go a different direction from the direction even other parts of the country can take So that history you are talking about is because of these factors I mentioned So in Karno we speak with one voice So anything that will come to you know jeopardize that effort the average Karno person will not take it lightly So that history is still intact and that Karno person you used to know has not changed You know people can change but the orientation is still there with the people of Karno state they don't take enforcement you cannot impose something on them you can't come and impose something on them the Karno people know their rights they know their economic rights they know their social rights and also they know their political rights So if they express their interest and if you attempt to temper with that arrangement so they will not take it lightly and this is exactly what is trying to happen in Karno state This is a person that contested an election in 2019 This man won his election in 2019 he defeated the then incumbent governor of the states but it was manipulated to introduce something strange at that time that is the inconclusion of the election The election was declared inconclusive and on the day of the rerun the elections were brought into Karno and the intimidated voters and at the end the then governor was declared winner of the election The man went to court in 2019 When he went to court in 2019 he passed through the three studies of the tribunal, the court of appeal and the supreme court he did not get what he expected to get he did not do anything he waited for another four years in 2023 he contested I'll get back to you Let me speak to Abdukarim now Abdukarim Can you hear me? We can hear you now You are a liar Would you want to summarily take us to how far we have what it has taken to bring us to this point of very controversial circumstances You want to give us a summary of it? You know at the initial stage there was a petition against his excellency Abdukarim The unprogressive congress was out its candidates challenged the victory of his excellency and Karno said that is the election 2023 They went to court They challenged about 83 polling units where the third malpractices and other corrupt practices occurred in Karno state In that circumstances during the trials they were only able to bring 32 witnesses in court 30 witnesses are the witnesses that have spoken directly from the polling units trying to confirm about voting and so on and so forth Two witnesses that is the total number the total PBC collected in those 30 polling units was 22,000 was just 22,000 What is the difference between his excellency Abdukarim and all progressive candidates or its candidates was 128,000 plus That is assuming without considering that those witnesses has proved those allegations contained in the petition based on those polling units that is assuming without considering that those witnesses has contained in the petition based on those polling units they have not reached or they have not been able to reach the gap that existed between Abdukarim FEC and its candidates which is 1,128,000 as against 22,000 The tribunal in its own judgment in its own judgment when it was liberal in the judgment they said now that they relied on the evidence of a so-called witnesses who happens to be an expert witnesses that 165,616,000 votes should be deducted from the votes of His Excellency Abdukarim It is worthy and important to note that in none of the pleadings of the petitioners where they pleaded those votes they alleged to have been illegal they have not equally pleaded the various polling units where those invalid votes was discovered they have not equally pleaded where those the votes where those illegal ballots was equally discovered Baista We can't retry the case on a brief TV show like this At this point we know that the court of first instance the tribunal ruled in favour of the petitioner we know we know that at the official official reading of the judgment of the appeal at the court of appeal the court of second instance similarly ruled in favour of the defendant because the appeal from the first instance was from the original defendant now the only thing that is talking this controversy now is the fact that the certified two copy of the judgment has duplicitous passages or paragraphs on the one instance two paragraphs on the particular page 69 two paragraphs speak to the fact that the governor's position is intact three paragraphs speak to the pronouncement that the governor has lost his appeal so in cases like this what should be the records of the parties okay we go on a we go on a short short break now and when we back we take it down from where we where we've left it welcome back to be honest with you for a number of years it's been a while I've seen a scammer or a jacker trying to wrestle the system from the engineers but we back Kabil are you there I'm here Kabil we are in a situation now in Kano that is a bit tense and we really want all residents of Kano to be a bit sober careful and know the violence ultimately could be very costly how would you respond to that you're very right to say that the situation in Kano is tense but I would have wanted you to say what caused the situation and I know you know the answer everybody knows the answer you see justice must not only be done but it must also be seen to be done and in a situation where in justice you are bound to see a situation like the one you are seeing in Kano talking of modern million voters that voted for a person and their family members and also people who did not even vote for him but they know the truth of what happened and they are asking for justice for the person it's not about the situation of Kano at the moment it's about what caused the situation and who has the solution to the situation you understand in 2019 like I said earlier Abba Kabyryus contested an election the people of Kano state gave him more than a million votes he defeated the then governor of Kano state Ablai Umarganduje but the election was declared as inconclusive on the day of the Kabyryu we have to be very careful the last elections as the 2019 elections was contested and was litigated to the supreme court and the winner was declared we cannot be contesting an election that has been settled indeed the detainee are the last let me go to Abdukarim Abdukarim you lawyers and the judiciary have put us in this mess now so how do we get out of the mess especially given the fact that we don't want to toy we don't want to play around with the emotions and the mood of the Kano citizenry these are people who don't take we don't take things lying down like that how do we resolve this Abdukarim Abdukarim can you hear me oh the gremlin is out today really out okay Kabyryu I wanted to conclude a thought I tried to set a background of what happened in 2019 but let me talk of what happened in 2023 and what gave bet to the current situation the man won his election you know and the defeated candidate, the candidate of the apc came out to congratulate him and said he is not going to contest that victory you understand his party went to court and the first judgment of the tribunal was delivered in favor of the apc but for the people of the states that judgment has a sentiment in it because in the judgment the name of the candidate of the apc was mentioned as the petitioner in that case and he was not a petitioner Abdukarim and his party filed an appeal to the court of appeal at the court of appeal you understand he the judgment was delivered also in favor of the apc but for every lawyer, thank god we are having a lawyer in this conversation for every reasonable lawyer after a judgment if you ask him the next thing he will tell you is let us wait and see the content of the judgment the written judgment because it is what he will use you know as a guide to head to the next court if you are not satisfied with the judgment but god in his messy god in his wisdom in that documented written judgment the victory was given to the candidate of NNPP Aladji Abba Kabyriusou so the people of the state now had their hope revived because they were not happy with the judgment delivered at the court of appeal so what the situation is telling the world is the people of Kano state are saying we are not going to allow anybody to take away our mandate we are not allowed we are not going to allow anybody to take our mandate and what we hear from them they said they are in need for anything Abba Kabyriusou you need to unmute your device Kabyru the point is that Abba Kabyriusou now the case has been appealed and is going to the supreme court and the lawyer to the governor Aladji Abba Kabyriusou I read somewhere today where he was saying that the so called amendment that the that the registrar of the court of appeal purportedly mouth that amendment do not stand in law because the jurisdiction of the appeal court court of appeal has inspired and that they will go to the supreme court with that CTC what would that amount to Abba Kabyriusou you are a lawyer would that not be very funny at the level of the supreme court you know as I told you the jurisdiction of the tribunal has already been ousted because 60 days within weeks to entertain and deliver the judgment has already inspired by what abba means the court of appeal has no any power whatsoever to make even if it is a clerical error and in this circumstances the judgment sought to be edited or sought to be corrected is not even clerical error it is trying to amend an order a final order of the court because anything taught in that order is like it is completely giving a different meaning to the order granted by the court of appeal itself so I believe based on section 285 of the constitution the court of appeal has no power whatsoever to make any amendment whatsoever because it has become pangchiswapisha it is only the supreme court now that has jurisdiction to make such amendment or otherwise and even before the supreme court we really have to make a serious argument but the confusing situation now abdu kareem is that when this CTC gets to the supreme court the CTC itself is going to lead to a fundamental confusion at the level of the supreme court because this is a document that is speaking to two inconsistent languages at the same time how would the supreme court deal with this this is sad but it's funny this is to even show to an ordinary common man that this judgment the judgment of the court of appeal especially in respect of the order granted in people of the respondent is faulty completely it is faulty it cannot stand there is no any order load that supports the judgment of the court of appeal in relation to the order granted in people of FEC it is too glaring it is too glaring there is no basis the decision is faulty and we are challenging part of that decision where it says APC is now declared abdu kareem I am not a lawyer you are the lawyer here but from the journalistic end of the divide one of the reasons of the two main reasons of the court of appeal or the reason why the court of appeal claimed in the reading of the judgment before the CTC came out that they were affirming the decision of the tribunal was because one that the governor as at the time he was nominated as the candidate of this party was not a bona fide of the NMPP that's number one number two is the second one that you tried to explain away that's the invalidation of modern war and 60 something not properly registered ballots now the situation is such that the court of appeal however has given a very controversial CTC and the two parties are claiming victory when they get to the supreme court now how would the supreme court undo this you are a lawyer help us well you know we already have grounds of appeal you understand we already have grounds of appeal which the party that is NMPP lodged an appeal before the court of appeal challenging part of the decision of the court of appeal if that succeeded automatically the judgment of the court of appeal irrespective of the version we appeal against it will be set aside the two version relied often when they were reading the judgment everybody knows that section 177 of the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria it only relation or it only prohibit the issue of independent candidates and it has been decided implement Torah of supreme court cases peter will be against atiku abubakar against recently decided by the supreme court and the court of appeal itself and the court of appeal itself so by this this judgment cannot stand the court of appeal is the court of appeal the court of appeal is appropriating appropriating it is pre-election matter now it is only in this case of kanu that it says it is a secondary election issue which is not at all it is not at all then the invalidation of those invalid box they relied on section 71 of the electoral act that section talks about the statement of result not ballot papers not ballot papers the relevant section under under electoral act is section 73 sub 2 okay abdu kareem i know you are a lawyer you can go on and on on this but unfortunately i know abdu kareem we really have to wrap it up at this juncture i am very very grateful for the two of you abdu kareem abdu kareem and qibiu you have been wonderful wonderful contributors that allows Banua Thala will let the peace hold in kanu that we will not have instance of violence lives will not be lost and peace of keru will be the peace of nig discard Thank you very much. Thank you gentlemen. We really appreciate you.