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Yeah, you know what you know what this the reason why I wanted to say this is we had a question Not just one we've had like three or four we have maps prime pro is a correctional exercise kind of based program and All the major joints are in there that you can address Except for the knees and oftentimes we get people messaging us Why aren't the knees on here my knees hurt and that's a common area that people have pain Yeah And so I wanted to explain a little bit around about knee pain and what the most common reasons are that your knees tend to bother you So the best explanation I can give is this is that the knees joint itself Although it's this way more complex in the way. I'm gonna make it sound it really only has two functions Right it flexes and extends so I can I can bend my knee and I can straighten my knee right flex and extend I can't rotate the knee joint. I can't bend it laterally. I can only You know flex my knee and extend my knee But the ankle joint and the hip joint that are attached closest to the knee. They're very dynamic, right? I can rotate my ankle to a certain degree. I can definitely bend it laterally flex it and extend it my hip joint I can rotate it bend it laterally. I can flex it. I can extend it and so when those joints lack stability They lack strength or mobility What happens is the ligaments of the knee that keep it from doing anything but flexing and extending all those ligaments that keep it from Rotating and bending laterally. They have to bear the brunt of the pressure to prevent the knee from doing these things So if your ankles and your hips are off Oftentimes over time you'll start to have knee pain and you're like well It's something that's wrong. I was trying to make up for a lot of the stress that it needs to stabilize the knee And and it a lot of times because your your ankle and your hips are so dynamic You'll get put in a lot of different angles and your knee will tend to travel You know in one direction or the other and to try and keep it stable a lot of times It just stresses it out and then the ligaments take the brunt of the force the same principles apply for the elbow too So if you're suffering from elbow pain a lot of people are always looking for like Exercises they can do or things they can do for the elbow itself, but many times that's related to the wrist or the shoulder So if you have poor mobility in your shoulder or your wrist or lack stability and control and either those joints The stress goes to the elbow. So a lot of times you're looking at the area That's bothering you thinking that there's something wrong there, but it's actually stemming from one of the other joints Yeah, I think of it this way right like if I I think of a submission It's just too cold to heal hook right so if I took your foot I strain your leg out and I go to twist your leg But your hip won't rotate for whatever reason your hip lacks mobility I start twisting the ligaments of the knee are gonna have to hold tight and if I twist hard enough I'm gonna tear your knee and so this is your last line of defense it is and so this is the problem So people will squat and lunge and deadlift and do all these different exercises And their ankles and knees aren't doing excuse me Their ankles and hips aren't doing what they're supposed to and over time You know when the knee flexes and extends the knee cap kind of tracks There's like a little groove in the in the femur and the knee cap tracks in it and things have to be in the right position Well, if it's if pressures, you know being put in one direction Things start to track wrong the joints then it starts to get undue pressure over time that builds inflammation Then you go to the doctor they image your knee and they go oh you have inflammation in your knee But they're not they never address right or oftentimes they don't address the root cause Which is it's because your ankles are tight or immobile or weak or your hips are tight or immobile and weak And so this is why Oftentimes oftentimes the solution for chronic knee pain resides there and not in the actual You know doing stuff with the knee itself type of deal, you know The low back is like this too a lot of times clients will have you know You say they have a bad back or their low back is always bother them And they think it's their low back where the issue is and a lot of times It's related to your your hips the inability to control and have stability in your hips and mobility in them Is what is causing the low back to to be stressed a lot of times too Yeah, and think about this way right like you're like oh my knees bother me when I squat So I'm gonna put knee sleeves or knee wraps, right? What those are doing is they're doing the job or they're they're it's like your ligaments except externally And now you've added more ligaments and support So now the knee doesn't hurt as much again not addressing the root issue Which is when you squat maybe your knee is trying it's pushing it, you know laterally or There's some rotate sometimes if your feet your ankles are tight and you go down to squat There's this rotational pressure that happens because because really tight ankles when you squat down They want to turn out but if your feet are grounded that rotational pressure then gets taken on by the knee like God It's weird when I squat heavy. I have this weird pain inside my knee like there's must be something wrong on my knee It's just a little tiny like degree of change if it's off track just that little bit like your analogy with the sliding glass door Yeah, like if just that little like fractional inch that it's off You know it just it ruins the whole thing like the whole thing is is You know based on the fact that it stays stable in these movements And if it's not there's lots of compensations that have to occur which stresses out You know the the entire system well It's really obvious to like when you go through maps prime pro and when and most often when someone has like a knee issue It's it's normally on one side or the other more than the other side Right, so this is where it becomes really obvious of what the issue is is when you get into and you do the 9090 test or you do the ankle mobility test in prime pro if the side that you have pain in your knee Also has issues with the in the 90 90 position and or the ankle, you know, this is where it's coming from That's and that's how you know you start you need to work on that It's like, you know, okay, I've got pain on the side when I get down in this 90 90 Oh, wow, I can't even get my knee on the ground or I can't lift my back heel up in that position Oh, there's obviously a stability issue and control a mobility issue in that hip That's where you need to start is addressing that and the same thing goes for the ankle. Yeah, it's funny I mean, I experienced this myself a couple few years ago. I was on vacation and I was working out in a hotel gym. This was in Mexico So it's real warm and kind of humid or whatever and they there were marble floors and as I was leaving the gym I fell down the stairs and my left foot I sat on it and kind of slid and I thought for sure when I got to the bottom like I tore something. Yeah. Now when I stood up, luckily I didn't tear anything But I did do a number on my left ankle and since then my left ankle has always had a little bit less mobility than my right So still to this day if I squat heavy and if there's any issues with my form I feel it in my left knee I never feel it in my left ankle But that's where it's coming from because as my left ankle is tight. That's exactly what happens as I squat I know what happens to compensate my leg wants to rotate but because my foot is so grounded I get that rotational pressure in my left knee which goes to my meniscus, right? And so then I'm squatting so I'm bending the joint with this back up the kinetic chain Yes, and I'm bending the knee while I'm with weight, but the meniscus is holding tight preventing things from twisting With enough weight and reps you're going to start to develop pain And this is the these are the causes of chronic pain, which by the way, this is different than an acute injury, right? So if you're here knee hurts because you just tore your knee Okay, that's different different But if you're like, oh my knee, you know, it always bothers me and it's been an issue I've had for a couple years And I don't know what that deal is and when I walk too much or run too much or You know, I do lots of squats. I starts to bother my knee It's coming from a a dysfunction and it's usually The joints closest to the knee like in this case in this case the the knee is surrounded by or connected to Very in content in the in the in comparison very dynamic Joints you can do a lot of things with your ankle and your hip especially your hip Your knee doesn't do those things. It just flexes and extends. So that's where, you know, a lot of the pain comes from You do all the pain that way So Since you mentioned pain There was a painful moment for me this weekend that I was like, oh no, did I make a massive parenting mistake or what? Oh dude, so I uh, I had the full day with my oldest Ethan and um, it was cool because like I don't really get a lot of alone time Like it's usually like with both boys and so I I usually have to kind of tone down the fact that he's older. He's three years older And so like we do a lot of stuff that's not too So that ever so that ever can do. Yeah, so ever could can hang with us and and do all that So he was actually doing his own thing. Yeah, so well first off we start by going paintballing, which I thought was Awesome, and it was fun and and we we got a lot of fun doing that with his cousin and my brother-in-law and Yeah, so we went we went after it and then I got home and I'm like, you know what? We don't really get to go see like more kind of mature movies and and jackass just came out And I remember they like how hilarious like the last couple were but like, you know, there's some Scenes and some skits in there that were Definitely suspect like not, you know, like they've had stuff where they've had drink semen and uh, you know So anyways, we put all of that stuff that was bad. They put in the new one and times like 10 Right. So it was like they come right out the gates to warm you up a little bit. There was so many dicks In this movie, dude that I cannot explain to my kid, you know I'm just sitting there like what have I done like the opening scene and I don't care if it's spoiled It's literally you're gonna see it. You have to see it to I don't think there's anything spoiling about jackass. You know what you're getting. Yeah, you can't spoil it Most of these like like have been reenacted skits anyways that they just put themselves in like serious harm's way Uh, so the guy chris paunius, I think he starts off. He painted his is dick green, right? And he's like underneath this platform where basically they turned it into like a godzilla And so they're like puppeteering his dick and like Everybody's like running away It's stuff and like, you know buildings are smashing. So they did this whole thing where it was like, so that's the opener, right? And I'm like, oh my god, like you see everything And uh, he's definitely circumcised, you know, congratulations. Um, and You know, and then it gets into like all this other crazy stuff, dude I can't believe that uh johnny noxville is still alive, dude He did the same with the bull It hit him so hard like he landed broke his arm and then was like out blacked out and like I thought he died So what's your guys's theory on these guys still doing this? Like, uh, do they need the money? Do you like they've already they've already made a ton of money right doing this stuff? Yeah, yeah, well first, I mean they're known for this like I think this is like their identity at this I know but these guys are in their I mean they're late 40s now Late 40s and they're not like normal healthy Late 40s none of them look good. They've they've pushed the limit forever and have some I know part of their Didn't one of them die didn't one of them take his life right in the group, right? He like smashed his lambo or whatever and I know I know they've all kind of gone through their their addiction for a while So they've all had kind of issues like that So do you have any do you have any idea on the backstory on them? Like are they like was this like a money grab because they maybe some of them might be hurt and financially Or just like a reunion or we're gonna do this one last time You got johnny noxville who's kind of was in the acting realm like was in a few movies that were You know hit or miss and then you had like so stevo Is like becoming a stand-up comedian and does tours and stuff and I think he's like somewhat successful with that I've seen him on billboards. Yeah, so he does. I think he does a vagus a lot but um I don't really know a lot about the rest of the guys other than i'm sure that This was like one of those the producer of the other movies was like come on guys and was like probably like Hounding them about this and like throwing cash at him and it was probably just like a total cash Well, I I think it'd be tough when that's your identity, right? That's what you're known for And then you get older and you start to feel irrelevant and you like you want to bring it back So you want to feel relevant against you? Yeah, so you staple your dick to a two by four or something? Oh my god Hey, it's no different worse stuff than that. It's no different than when a boxer Is in his you know, he's done and he gets back in the ring or a fighter think about it stevo put a clean bee on his dick and then like all of the bees Swarmed around and he had this like swarms hanging off getting stung like a hundred times on a sack I was like Like I can't even imagine I mean, so I I mean did you did you get up and leave at any point where you're like I was just like we're doing this. I was like this and I was I was looking over at uh, ethan and he's just like like Oh my god traumatized. Yeah. Yeah, I probably try so I mean, so I've made some I made similar mistakes when we used that Because my oldest son you you're excited to do things with them. Yeah, so you kind of do them a little too early I kind of jumped you talked about that about some of the yeah, do I traumatize them? I'm like we got to watch this and it terrified him and then he was scared to watch tv for like a year So when you look up how much how much they made off those movies. I'm curious like How how much money do you because obviously okay when you when they first came up? Um, I mean, I love well worth it. Right like you're you can't you you come from from not very much, right? And then make potentially millions of dollars by doing they start off making those skaters. Yeah, they did the films doing crazy Yeah, like same stuff. I'm Margera. Yeah, it started. Yeah It started with a couple of them and some other guys doing some of the underground videos Which I'd seen those before and then it turned into like the but I mean Uh To get the fame and to get the money I could see like you probably ask a lot of people Hey, if I paid you five million dollars, would you do all this crazy shit? They say yes But if you already had the money wow, wow the first one brought in 117 million dollars Second one 102. I mean and I'm sure that the budget wasn't massive. Yeah, you know for these And and that's not including how much they made with the show that was on mtv These are the movies. Yeah, because the show on mtv crushed. Oh, yeah When that thing came out I wonder how much because that's how much they made in the box office So they didn't make that so curious to what took home Yeah, I'm curious to what each each one of them were kind of getting paid like Johnny Knoxville How much money he he's probably making the most right? Yeah, he's the face of it So he probably made the most dude, but give the guy credit like he did the craziest stunts out of all of them Man, he was shot out of the cannon. I mean he did the bull thing he did um What was the other one he did the one where like Basically, you know how you get like a big guy that it's like a blob He like drops down and he was sitting in this Furniture store Is the old dress was an old man. Yeah. Yeah, and like this guy Falls off the ladder like he's fixing something and then boom He hits him and it goes all the way through the roof and everybody that was working there were like, oh my god What happened? He went right through the roof, dude I think it's one of those things where you see this a lot sometimes with athletes where they have like their golden years And it's hard to let go of because that becomes See, I think so I think it's more like this, right? Well, we're totally speculating and no one knows for sure I think it's more like you may so his net worth is 75 million, right? So he's you know made tens of millions of dollars and I'm sure there was like a A huge like, you know hockey stick like thing, right? He wasn't making any money Then all of a sudden the first one second one third So and then you get four or five lambo's two or three houses like you gotta pay Yeah property taxes and luxury tax and all that stuff starts coming Yeah, and then you're like, oh, shit, you know 10 years down the road 15 years down the road You're going like, oh, wow I love this lifestyle that I have and I am definitely burning a hole pretty fast and you gotta wonder like Okay, I mean, maybe they have I have no idea what their investments look like But I would think it's more like that. It's like, oh, shit. Let's let's do another grab while we still can Yeah, and you know, I mean they gotta be in like their fifties like, you know, johnny Knoxville and steve Oh, I know they're 71. Is that what you just said, Doug? Yeah. Oh, so yeah, he's 50 Yeah, he's 50 years old doing doing that kind of shit. Yeah, and you're not you're not a normal 50 year old Yeah, you don't you don't you're like a 70 year old at that point They're like breaking their necks and like they're in there like on the stretcher just like Bro, I roll an ankle now. It's like a month recovery My back is out the next day playing basketball the next day You don't see what they're like nowadays as you roll an ankle of like sit on the toilet too long Like what happened to my leg? I don't know what to say I think it's both. I think it's part of what you said adam But I think the other part is That becomes a part of your journey. So I mean and then you're you're rich and you're sitting there and you're like Like what now what like what do I do? And then that's when you got all I see but I feel like if you got I mean, I feel like if you've got money coming in and and you're it's you're able to do all those crazy things Then you're not letting that get to you. Maybe it's a combination of both, right? So you're the money's going really fast and then in addition that that's your whole idea You can't go do something else really well, right? So you're not getting you're not getting paid They and I wonder how many of them actually went out and tried to do other stuff to see if they could actually make a They stayed in entertainment a lot of them tried entertainment Which I think the smartest thing to do is when you make that money is to learn how to invest it Stop trying to make that that lightning happen twice bro. There's just okay. So this one guy though I like really felt bad for him. I feel like he got psychologically traumatized He was like like strapped into this chair and they put honey all over him And I think it's probably even in the preview with like Salmon on him and he thought like he was going to get stung by bees and so he's freaking out He's like, oh, no, no, we're not using bees and then they locked the doors and then all of a sudden they let a bear Fucking bear is eating off of him And like scratching him and like shoving his head down his crotch eating stuff and he's like, I'm gonna eat my dad And he risked to do something like that Dude, I don't care if the bear is tamed or or what dude? There's food all over who not like he might just take a huge bite Yeah, exactly. Oh my and then right before you do that The trainer came in took him out and then and then the guys like shaking and like stop thought like more stuff was gonna happen Oh, boy. Oh my god. What hey, you know, it reminds me of this. It's like so crazy It reminds me of this. It's like we all know people like this, right? And I've even I even struggle with this you work out for years and years and years As you get older you get in your 40s and your 50s It's hard not to compare yourself to Your self when you're in your 20s or 30s or other 20 and 30 year olds When the reality and when you do that you get into trouble when I'm I've done this already where I'm working out And I'm like, oh, I feel strong and I remember what I did when I was 32 And I'm like, can I beat that again? And it's like what you have to do is compare yourself to The really it's the context, right? If you're 50 and you're fit you compare yourself to other 50 year olds You're way better off than them, but don't compare yourself to it It makes me wonder what's going to happen to like because really this whole like uh influencer market is Relatively new, right? It's maybe what 10 years. It's kind of been around so Makes me really wonder like what that's going to look like You know 20 years down the road when a lot of these like really popular kids on Instagram that got famous because of the way they look or the crazy shit they did and then it's like Had all this money and had all this attention and kind of fame and then the I wonder if we're going to see if it's going to be even worse than like what you see with like so like traditional celebrities If the crash is going to become more of them Faster and harder. I think then what you see I think of the rise is faster, right? Exactly. I think that's the factor right like as quickly as you make your way to fame and fortune Like the fall usually happens even faster if you're valued for your beauty Wow, you better not identify with that because you're going to be screwed. Well, I mean it's even worse like you these like The social media influencers and people that are that are you know, quote-unquote famous on instagram it's like It's accepted that you all photoshop and use editing and things like that. So it's like talk about totally distorting It's one thing to be like famous and on camera and known for being this, you know, beautiful star or whatever like that But it's still pretty much you like these people are distorting the way They look to present themselves a certain way. I mean come on This is why I was at I was at the mall the other day with the kids and there was a billboard It was like a like a makeup store or whatever and there was a billboard with share How old is share? She's got to be 70s 80 maybe taking the anti-aging and she's and there's like a picture of her And Jessica's like, oh my god, whatever. I'm like, I bet if we saw her in person We would think she was like a walking like plastic corpse. Yeah 75 75. You know what it is now in her defense She's looked pretty good for a long time. My dog. She's kept her. She's kept herself a good job. I think it's the plot Yeah, it's probably catching up with it. What it is is that, you know, she was known for her beauty You identify with that. You don't want to age. You can't accept it. I mean, would you still hit it or no? What? Would you want to say it? No, I mean, I'd still go with Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda is like 80 and she still looks Hell I would have you seen Jane Fonda. Yeah Jane Fonda was But Jane Fonda was She's totally got that you like hair like that. That's a great gg that's a gg gilf. That's a great gilf You know what though Fonda that's so much that one Fonda's a fitness fanatic though. She's always stayed strong. I think she's into fitness too. No Yeah, you know, maybe yeah, I think she's always been into fitness, too. I don't know. That's too big of an age gap for me I don't know That's a little too much. Not too much. The granny. Well, Doug, you would, right? It's only a couple years older than me. I'm staying out of this conversation and the current political climate. Doug likes it. That's Doug's wheelhouse. No, dude. You know, that's a very popular... I didn't know this. It's a very popular pornography category for a lot of men is granny. They call it granny porn. Women in that... Really? Yes. It makes me so curious. Is it just because they're bored? The fact that gets recommended in yours is weird to me. I get the step sister one all the time. That's all I get. Everybody wants to beg their step sister. No. You know what it is? It's their taboo fantasy. The granny one, there was this... I don't remember who wrote it. These scientists were writing about pornography searches and categories and why they exist and what makes them popular. And they said that one of the reasons why the granny porn one tends to be popular is a lot of boys grow up in these boarding schools and they get punished by these older women. And you know the spanking thing? Yeah. It's because oftentimes they would get spanked by a ruler. Is it what... Do you know the psychology behind that? Is that because you're growing up at an age when you're masturbating like crazy and you get imprim... Exactly. You get beat and then you find yourself masturbating 20 minutes later in the bathroom or some shit. They call it imprim... Justin's right. It's like you're sexually developing and then during that time you're your teacher who's 50 or whatever. Also yelling at you. Yeah or whatever. It's like really into car exhausts. What? What did you say? What? I just forgot to throw that out there. Car exhaust. You stick your dick into a tailpipe? What'd you do? Yeah, I was in the old car. What? What? He's joking. He's joking. He did it eight years ago. I mean I do like the smell of exhausts so don't get me wrong. Yeah, it's like it's only certain cars. Yeah, it's the all of them. As long as it's got flow masters. Rev it up. No, stop. Wow. All right, let's talk about some bad news. Why? We're having fun. I know. Did you guys hear the statistic about gyms? I did. It was in my notes to talk about it today, dude. So US 30% they say have been shut down permanently. Done. Done. Never coming back. In Europe they're saying 50%. Of gyms. Right. Permanently closed. Which, okay, there's a couple things here. One. It's a tragedy. One, it makes me very sad and upset because I don't think all those gyms would have been safe. I think the pandemic, some of them would have been shut down anyway, but definitely not 30%. That's a lot of that was caused by forced shutdowns or whatever. So that's number one and that's very sad to me because what it does, it just gives a greater market share to big corporations and stuff like that. Two, it's a bit of an opportunity for the existing gyms. Because you have 30% of your competitors gone. So I wonder what the existing gyms, now that people are going back to working out, you remember we speculated on this. I wonder if they're seeing a bigger surge. Yeah, I was talking to Adam not that long ago, like maybe just a couple weeks ago. From UFC gyms. Yeah. And they say they're doing really well. Nothing out of the crazy ordinary though. So there's not like what you would think, right? You would think 30 to 50% of these gyms done and then you would think that there would be a huge, especially right now. Well, it's probably back to normal from like because it was such low, low numbers. My theory is that a good portion of that 30%, let's, and I'm again, just we're speculating 25% maybe were not operating very well as it was. And that was just like the straw that broke the camel's back. Sure. That would be my guess. I mean, at least half. Yeah. At least half of they were kind of sitting on that line. Yeah. Right. And they couldn't survive a month. And we know how many trainers and people try and start up that business and then. It's a hard business to make money. It is. And so, and then what percentage of those people just happening to start at a bad time. So maybe you could have been or would have been a good business operator, but you like literally the lockdowns happen three months into you opening your gym. Like I don't care how good of an operator you are. Good luck if you just started your business and then you're being told you got to shut your doors down. I would imagine there's a good percentage that were just poorly run. This was what exposed them that another percentage that we're just getting started. So that of course that crippled them. They couldn't even get no momentum. That would be my guess. Otherwise we should see this create like you should hear record numbers from Planet Fitness record numbers from USC lifetime. Well, think of it this way if these bigger gym companies like Planet Fitness and you will see though Planet Fitness is going to come out with their earnings. I think it's after first quarter, right? But if they're doing good, let's say they're not doing like breaking records, but they're doing good. I would like to see what percentage of people are actually still going to gyms and working out. I bet you haven't reached what it used to be. I believe there's still a lot of people. So I would like to see if you remember that was our debate. Yeah. Before this all went down. I debated that it would go back to people going back to gyms. I don't think it's fully done that. That's my opinion. I think we're still in the middle. I mean, of course it hasn't. I mean, I'm an example of that. I'm the one who was saying that it was going to go back to gyms. I haven't been back to a gym. I've been training in my garage or here at the studio. So I definitely think we still have time for it to happen, to go back that way. So yeah, I don't know. I don't know how many people have made the change to at home training and are never going back. Boy, dude, I just feel like all of the information we've been trying to provide over the years about the benefits of exercise and dialing in your nutrition, it's like we're starting all the way over from scratch because of this. It's like we just decided to throw all that out. And oh yeah, wait a minute. Wasn't there benefits to exercise and nutrition? And we're going all the way back and it's going to have to build up from scratch. I mean, the truth that what's always been like this, though, right? Like all the things that are a lot of the health issues that we deal with in America right now, a good percentage of them could have been handled by, preventative by... A good most of them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's, I mean, COVID just really highlighted that. Maybe it made people that maybe were less aware or more aware, but we've been, this has been our battle for 20 years. You know what the problem is? I'll tell you right now, 100% what the problem was. It was that the fitness industry doesn't have a very powerful lobby. It's a fact. If they had a good lobby, they weren't represented well at all. No, they don't have a lobby. Look, in California, gyms were shut down. Hollywood was allowed to operate. Hollywood has lots of power. Liquor stores. Liquor stores were still open. Yeah, I mean, there were small businesses. Strip clubs. There were small restaurants. This is true now. Yeah, let's keep going. In LA, there were literally small restaurants shut down, forced to shut down in their parking lots, movie sets set up with lots of people working. Because why the Hollywood and that industry has a large lobby? So what happens is the lobbyists go to Congress or go to the representatives and say, hey, you got to keep us up, whatever. And then they make special arrangements. Gyms don't have that. Gyms are like shut them down. And we're not going to play any political. We're not going to pay any political price, you know, for showing them now. I'll tell you what, I don't know how I would. Because I owned a gym, right? Before Mind Pump, that's what I did. I don't know how I, man, I would have been bad. Online coaching. Online coaching. Yeah, well that and I would have been, I would have had to speak easy. I would have been really pissed off. You forced me to shut down? Like, are you kidding me? But the move was to go, the move would be to go online coaching. We were saying that before any of this stuff. Yeah. Well, we already like moved in that. Yeah. I mean, half of why we're here doing what we're doing is he kind of saw the writing on the wall that everything was moving in this direction. And we had been telling our audience well before COVID came around that you should be building somewhat of an online presence. Even if you are an in-person trainer, you have your own gym, brick and mortar, you should build an online present to compliment that because that's the future of how things are going. Yeah. The fastest growing segment of the personal trainer, I guess you could put up Market, is online coaching. By far. Oh, yeah. Jason's getting flooded right now. Yeah. I was talking to him. Must be, yeah. Oh, yeah. I see a bunch of new faces every time I'm on those calls. Yeah. Right now NCI's doing 50% off their enrollment, by the way. They are. Yeah. So I talked to him and he's like, oh, we're exploding and we're not trying to slow down. We're going to certify and get as many coaches out there, good coaches as possible. So they're still doing the 50% off enrollment or whatever. Yeah, you and I have a call tonight with them, don't we? We do. But it's blowing up because it's the pandemic really put more, it was already growing, by the way. Before the pandemic, it was the fastest growing segment of personal training because you could reach more people. It's the capital required to start and the liabilities way smaller. I just had a conversation with my cousin who, she's a trainer. She's, you know, training lots of clients, sent me a text about opening her own place. And I said, you sure you want to do that? There's a lot of capital. It costs you a lot of money to start it. Then you're on the hook for huge liability. And then if you want to scale, you got to repeat that again. If you do it online, I mean, it's still a business. You don't have to build it, but your capital is low. You don't have any liability. And then scalability is infinite. Scalability is great, but also there is a cap to it. So like there was another reserve was like, well, isn't the market like flooded now? There can't be enough. No. There cannot be enough, especially with all these closed gyms, like we need as many people out there in force as possible to help, you know, get people back on track. In my opinion, there's always going to be room for good coaches and good trainers. Yep. I mean, sure, it's flooded with a bunch of shit butts. I mean, if you're going to... You'll stand out like... Yeah, no. I love that word. And I think that, and I do think that the, the old 80, 20 rule rule will remain true. You know, 80% of the people will only make 20% of the money, 20% of the people will make 80% of the money. But that percentage grow, that total pie is going to grow. That's right. So 20% is going to represent a lot more. That's right. And so, I mean, and we're seeing that. And I, you know, I do think what you said was true. You called not that long ago about the, you know, because the CDC starting to come out and kind of recant some of the things we're saying. And now we're changing the direction of how important it is to be health and to not be obese with COVID. A lot of fear motivated. Yeah. So, I mean, now you're going to get a wave of people that may not have been gym goers before, but now feel like, oh my God, because the CDC says it and that we're pushing people in this direction. So, I mean, that's going to bring a whole new wave of people into the space. I think. Totally, totally. All right. So I had this good conversation with my wife yesterday. So remember how I told you guys, I went out and finally invested in a really nice mattress for the first time in my life. Yeah. So we slept on it last night. It was freaking amazing. But we were talking about, you know, the mattress market and how you have these mattresses that are like, and there's no affiliation to any of these companies, but you have mattresses that are like, oh, it's all organic or no synthetic this or whatever. Right. And so she's like, why did we choose like a regular really nice bed versus like something like that? And I said, if you actually look, and this is actually a good conversation, if you look at all the factors that affect your health and I look at like organic materials versus maybe inorganic materials and I consider, okay, the inorganic materials may put off a little bit of this chemical or whatever. The toxic chemical residue. Yeah. And it's almost negligible, but it's more than like, let's say a bed that's totally organic. Does that offset the incredible sleep I'm going to get with a way more, because this is a, they're engineered. This is an engineer. Well, not only that, but I would also make the case or argument that the stuff that you're washing your sheets in has a more of an impact. It does. On the mattress. It does. So. It does. You know what I'm saying? So if you go out and go get yourself a, you know, organic avocado bed or something, but then you're, then you're washing with fucking tide. Like, you know what I'm saying? My bed's made of natural rocks. And this is a good conversation because you see a lot of people do this with nutrition. They're like, you know, everything's organic, everything's non-GMO, but you're eating way too much and a lot of its garbage. Yeah. You know, calories at the top, right? If your calories are too high, it could be all the organic, whatever you want. And you're going to have problems. So let's focus on that first. And let's look at your proteins and fats. And then let's look at carbohydrates. And then we could start to go down the checklist. And when it comes to sleep, your quality of sleep has such a massive impact on your health that, okay, fine, you get, you know, 0.1% less chemicals from your organic bed or whatever. But if your sleep is worse, then it doesn't matter because the sleep actually makes a bigger impact. As long as it's not lined with asbestos. You know. Good. Did they have any of those fats left? I don't know. They probably did in the 70s. Yeah. But yeah, it's all part of that. Like it's all, so, you know, I have the sleep routine now, so I do the Felix Gray glasses before I go to bed. And I make sure to, you know, I don't eat within a certain period of time or whatever. This was the last missing piece. Now I got the super nice mattress and I was like, oh my God, this is incredible. I know, I feel like an old guy, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can't eat that. There's a time for bed. So this weekend we went out, we went to dinner on Friday and I saw Jason ahead of time, I met up with him before you got there. And I was like, hey, you gotta ask. He actually, I don't think he asked you, because I was like, guess that sal about his bed. I said, he came up to me. I said the other day, he was so proud of himself because he spent, you know, a couple bucks on a bed for the first time. I was like, don't ruin his day and tell him it's not that expensive because those things get really expensive. He's a cat lack of bed. Yeah. I asked him how do you feel? And he says, oh my God, it was life changing. But now you get it, bro. I know for what you get, especially with something like that, man. I'll tell you what though, I was really disappointed in the chef experience we had. Yeah. So the explains. There was a date thing for cooking. It was dumb. It was cool to see everybody. That's about it. So we went, I wasn't invited. So we, yeah. I didn't organize it. I appreciate that, guys. We thought about inviting him. Yeah. So, John and Jen, who are friends of Katrina and I, they put together this dinner night and they, Jason and his wife came, Sal and Jessica and me and Katrina. And you're in this like, we were really excited about it. Like it sounded really cool, right? Everybody goes to this like little private chef area and there's like 16 total people. It's at the Sir Latab. Yeah. Places. You don't. Well, so everybody was like pretty excited to go do it. And I, if I wasn't with the group, I would have left. That's how like disappointed I was. I was disappointed in the food. I was really disappointed in the chef. Like terrible personality. Like Jason made the night. Like, you know, Jay, right? Like, he's great. Right. He can carry a room and is hilarious. And he was cooking right next to the chef. So he was fucking with him the whole time. Like that's how Jason is. Like he knows the guy is going to be like a sourpuss. He's like entertaining. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just going to have fun with this guy. So he was like poking out on the whole time and making jokes and goofing off. I mean, he made the night entertaining and worth being there, but the whole experience and I've had multiple people tell me like, oh my God, you're going to love it. So amazing. It was terrible. No, it wasn't that great. I would not do it. Literally they get, we were supposed to, the first dish was scallops with this like cream sauce or whatever. And I swear to God, we got like four scallops each. And that was it. Yeah. And then we go to make the risotto. And then we're going to make the risotto. And it's literally a pound of rice. And we're like the ratio here is off. Yes. I can see why, oh bro, what a hustle. I mean, you got 16 people. With 16 people there, I bet we had two pounds of scallops. Maybe. Yeah. Total. Yeah. Total for like 16 people. And then I don't know, probably a 20 pound bag of risotto. I mean, literally it was like, that's all what we threw away a pan like this deep of risotto afterwards, because that's all it pretty much was. And then you had a dessert that was a really good dessert, this pear dessert. But I mean, it maybe cost them their, maybe cost them 200 bucks worth of food, maybe. And they're charging 89 ahead to be in there. Plus we were with it, we were in a room because we had, it was a class, right? So it was us. And then there was other people in there. And the other people were boring as hell too. They didn't say a damn word. Everybody just following the instruction, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, listen, are you guys all here to be chefs? We're all here to have a good time and enjoy like, why are you guys sitting here acting like you're taking notes and like, let's enjoy it. No. Come on nerds. I would have said it. No, no. It was definitely one of those things that I'm sure that none of us, I mean, I want to do the one online where you can do it at your house, right? You, I've seen people do that where you do like a virtual chef at your house. Oh yeah. And we couldn't drink. Well, yeah, they, they advertised it. No, yeah. They advertise it as scallops, rigatoni and. No, no, risotto. Risotto, sorry. Scallops, risotto, chocolate, supposed to be chocolate cake, by the way, chocolate cake and wine. So we thought, we all get there. Nobody drinks. Everybody gets like, oh, and then when we find out it's going to be dry as fuck. I was like, that's okay. Wait till the wine comes. We're just going to get fucked up and just have a good time with all of our friends. And like everyone's like, no, no, no, you can't drink the wine because we don't have a liquor license, but we're using the wine to cook with. Yeah. The wine, you tricked us. The wine is so you can cook with it. It's not, you don't get to do, there's no alcohol, only water. I was so pissed. So it reminded me. So when I was 17, I'll never forget this. I think I've told this story, well, not this part of the story, but the, I told you guys that I got my, I got pulled, I had four tickets in a year. And so the third ticket, I went to go fight in court so I wouldn't lose my license. I also did the traffic school. Yeah. So when I, when I went to the traffic school, it was the first time I've ever been in traffic school. I'm only 17 years old and my buddy and I both were going together and he hits me up. He's like, bro, check this out. I found this place. It's pizza, comedy and traffic school. Yeah. Like what? Like seriously, this is awesome. Done. And I paid like an extra 30 bucks than like the normal price for traffic school. What have that? Cause it was going to be pizza, comedy and fun. And we get there was a little Caesar's bro. It was, well, yeah, they serve pizza at lunch, but the whole pizza, comedy and it was a joke. It's not like really anything. They just all name them different things. And there was no comedy. It was the teacher making. Oh yeah. And I remember asking, where's the comedy? And he made like some bullshit knock, knock joke. It was the guy was, yeah, it was awful. Eight hours of sitting in there. So pissed. I thought hustled like that when we went to this thing. That's how I saw the advertisement. Ridiculous. You can only cook with the wine. I'm like, oh my God, this is ridiculous. Anyway. All right. We got to talk about the, all the controversy that's going on right now with Joe Rogan. Oh man. Oh boy. It's getting heated. Now, I don't know if we said this on the show. We might have, but when I, I know we said this off air, but we distinctly had a, a discussion where we were talking about Rogan and how, oh, he's going to start getting targeted politically because he doesn't fit in a box. Right. He's got a huge reach. Which is dangerous to establish media. Yes. And now, and that's exactly now what's happening. What you, if you watch what's happening, there's, there's definitely the Twitter mob cancel culture thing that happens, but this is not that. This is a, a coordinated political attack to, and here's the, what do you guys, by the way, I want to ask you guys, what do you think the goal is? Do you guys think the goal is to get him canceled? The bare minimum discredit the stuff that he's putting out? That's what they're trying to do. Yeah, it's, yeah, they want to, I mean, it's, it's a power grab. It's to show, it's to flex and show that ultimately, you know, we have the last say. I don't think it's to cancel them. If that happened, that's cool, but I don't think that's the goal because in fact, Rumble just came out and offered him a hundred million for four years. Now that's going viral. And I'm like, I mean, I don't know, does that even warn a conversation? That ain't happening. That can't happen. That'll happen if, you know, Spotify kicks them off. So that's the only way. He's open. Spotify so far supporting him. Yeah. Spotify's already came out. The CEO did a statement yesterday. So the CEO came out. By the way, it's not stopping. We'll see how they, we'll see how they handle the pressure because this is not, this is not stopping. So now what's interesting to me, here's what I always, when it comes out of money. Okay. And here's what's interesting. Since Spotify has signed Joe, they went from 60 to 60 billion down to 30 billion. Yeah. When they, that Neil Young debacle happened, they lost $4 billion. Wow. That's impossible. Isn't that crazy? I know there's a few artists. It wasn't just Neil Young that, that dropped off. So it was like some kind of snowball. Hold on. Is this 4 billion in market share? So I don't know how. I think that's what it is. I don't know, but they went from 60 billion. In terms of shareholders. Down to 30 billion. Just the stock price. And then they lost 4 billion after the. Oh, it's, it's their stock price. Yeah. Their stock price now is at a 171, which is kind of a low. Just giving example back in November, it got as high as 300. Yeah. So I think it's. My bad. No. So, so he's, I don't think it's to cancel them. I think they know they can't necessarily cancel them because he has such a massive following. They're going to try though. Well, isn't it strange like they bought Gimlet media and somebody else for like way more money than they acquired Joe for like it. Well, Gimlet media has got a bunch of things underneath. Right. Yeah. So like they bought networks, but there was a couple other like shows that they didn't want to cancel them. They didn't want to get them canceled. The goal is to delegitimize them completely. No. If they can, because he has, his platform has so much power. I mean, isn't the same is, I mean, you're saying that, but isn't the same strategy. I think that's a strategy different because they know that he's not going to get canceled. How was the strategy different? What would you do differently if you were trying to cancel them? What would you, what would you be trying to do differently? Yeah. So you're saying you're making a statement that they were trying to cancel. My point, my point is I don't think it would be anything different. My point is I think that they're sitting back and they're saying, we need to, we can't cancel them. He's too big. He's got too big of an audience. If we get him kicked off Spotify, someone else is going to pick him up. I think that the whole plan was we need to delegitimize him as much as possible. He's going to keep attacking his character, like from every angle. Yes. To the point where he's like Alex Jones. Now, if you are, if you ever go on Joe Rogan, you're a fraud, it's your theory that it's never going to stop. It's just going to keep happening. Because once they go through, like after they, they make him look sexist, racist, you know, homophobic, conspiracy guy, transphobic. I mean, once they go down the gauntlet of things and put together all these clips and cherry-picked stuff to make him seem even worse, what happens after that? Well, he doesn't get to cancel. Now, right? So they started out with COVID misinformation. That was the big one that didn't really stick. And then it moved on to like sexism. And now it's moved to racism. It first started happening when he moved to Texas, started talking about why he moved to Texas, why California is whatever. He started to not sound like they wanted him to. COVID, the COVID stuff really pushed their buttons. And again, they're trying to delegitimize him. And here's what will happen. All, by the way, some of these, these organizations, or some of the organization behind what's happening has been linked to a Democratic super PAC. I think that these midterms are coming up. This is the pressure. This is where they're going to be all over him. When midterms are over, they're going to leave him alone until it's ready to do it again. He poses a threat and they want to delegitimize him so he no longer poses a threat. So you think it's 100% politically motivated? 100%. Nobody gives a shit that he said the N word a bunch of times on his podcast, on old shows. I'm sure you do. If you're, you know, if you're a Twitter... I've said a few of my friends, but yeah. No, no, no. What I mean is... Well, Twitter mob guys, no, what I mean is the people who put that together don't give a shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't care. That's just their, that's just their, their favorite card to pull. This is a very powerful political. They've weaponized... You've seen that happen to other people, like celebrities as examples of, you know, taking things out of context. Nobody is slicing it all together. Nobody's safe. Everything is recorded. Everything you say, everything you do, context changes, what's acceptable one minute, changes to what's acceptable another time. And it's, nobody's safe. The rock, you know, Dwayne Johnson came out and said, defended him, but then he apologized, which now he's a target for other people. Okay, so... And they found videos of him doing shit. My question is this then too. Do you think so, like we've seen this from, you know, the left's perspective, but from the right perspective, do you see, you know, the right coming in hard now with like going after the mud slinging, the dirt, and like splicing clips together to throw... They're just as guilty. We just saw a clip on the CNN and like all this, they came out with their, their hosts, you know, in sexual misconduct. Yeah. The right did it with Chamoff. That's right. That's exactly what I was trying to get to. Yeah, they did it too. They took the statement out of context and, you know... It's just, like, it's going to get insane, this, this cancel, cancel, like mud slinging. Nobody's safe. It's going to self-destruct. Yeah, that's right. I think it's going to blow up in all their face. I think it's going to come to a point where people don't care anymore. It's like going to become white noise, dude. It's like, you're calling racist, you're calling that out so much, both left and right. And everybody's pointing fingers. Nobody is safe. If you're older than 35 years old, you're fucked. Yeah. And if you've been in media, right? So if you've been on any social platform or on television or people have been paying attention to you for any longer than the last five years or more and you're older than 35, you're fucked. Yeah. You for sure have said something that's inappropriate or text something that isn't right. Maybe after enough, you know, maybe after enough of these people that we hold up on pedestal, maybe after enough of them fall from grace, maybe then will everybody be like, well, fuck Jesus, that's my favorite guy, that's my favorite girl, and now they're racist, now they're sexist. What makes my scene cuts of Biden saying worse? Oh, in Congress. I can't believe he gets a pass, dude. Well, it's selective outrage, bro. But that's the thing. It's like, you got to look at it like the hypocrisy of it all. Of course, it's politics is not logic. You can manipulate people to feel a particular way for a period of time, because the goal is to delegitimize the strategy. Yeah, but here's the thing, though, he's not really getting away with it either, because the fact that you know about it is because people on the right have been pushing that agenda. Right. So it's, I mean, so you can make the same case that Trump got away with it too, but then the people on the left were picking apart all this stuff. So both sides are doing this. You're right. Here's the goal. Okay, here's the idea. It's just ramping up. You know how they have, when they have an election, there's always, what's known as the October, is it the October surprise? I think it's the October surprise. Yeah, bless you, you told me. Yeah, and it's always like something that they'll drop in October, because they know it sticks long enough till the election happens, because here's what happens. Shit blows over. So they'll do something to hammer a politician, but if they do it too early, it loses its power and you see this bounce up. So they're going to hammer Rogan and they're going to keep hammering him until the midterms happen. After that, he's going to be, unless he makes a lot of noise, they're not going to worry too much about him. Now, the interesting thing is, they might just have, and I don't know, we'll see what they pull up, because they can be very cunning and dirty, but they might just have bit off more than they can chew, because there's a lot of people supporting Rogan. A lot of people. Oh yeah. And it might just backfire to the point where it makes him more interesting. It makes him stronger. Because was it Dave Portnoy, the barstool? Yeah. So he was tracing back to see who was mainly responsible for cutting up these videos and kind of pushing that out there. And I think he's confident he found the three guys who came after him too. Yeah. He traced it back to the same people that were basically coming after him. It sounds like it's a group of people that are doing it. Speaking of dirty stuff, did you guys see what GoFundMe did with all the money raised? So explain what happened. They got up to a ridiculous amount of money. I'm going to make me angry. I heard it was like 12. They got a ton of money. GoFundMe froze it and then wouldn't give them money. And initially said we can't verify it's going to right people. So we're going to give it to other charities, which everybody's like excuse me. What? And then they said never mind we're going to refund people. Like you want to talk about some insanity there. Like prime, that's like prime meat for conspiracy theorists. Oh. It's terrible. You can't, yeah, you can't reallocate some of these money that they spent, you know, to go to a very specific place. Now who was it supposed to go to? Well, I mean, yeah, but that's so vague, bro. Well, I mean, that would, that would make their point fair. No, I think that's not the point. Okay. The point is that they, they did not do this. Okay. When the BLM thing was happening, nobody knew what the hell's going on. Nobody knew. And we know now a lot of money went to a lot of bad places. But BLM has a, a actual organization that you can. They have an organization also. The truckers do. Yes, they do. Okay. So was it connected to that GoFundMe? Yeah. And they now are like, we're refunding people. It's very interesting and strange. And I know, I mean, the conspiracy is like that they're, because they're anti-mandate because politically, this does not look very good for, you know, Justin Trudeau and some of their leaders. It's like one of the largest protests we've ever seen before. Hiding the whole time, not even like addressing what was happening in this country. Yeah, huge, but that's crazy. I can't believe that they did that. I hope they have a really good reason because that's crazy. Are you guys familiar with, since we're talking about crazy shit? Have you guys, are you guys familiar with what it's called an NFT rug pull? What? Yeah. Yeah. You know me going down like the NFT right at home. What? Ever since I started talking about NFTs and there's, I don't know if you guys have experienced this because I know you don't talk about as much as I do or post about it, but it's like my new favorite thing to like fucking piss off, like a community of people that like, if you're like part of that community, yeah. Yeah. I saw like Jimmy what's in Fallon and like Paris Hilton showing their like ape. Yeah. And I was just like, Oh God, you know, like, like that's total. I'm like, I'm out. I'm not even interested in the NFT thing. So I was listening to this interview. Remember that guy? I think, I want to say Jake Tran, I think is his name. I introduce you guys. He did an interview on this kid that was breaking down these NFT rug pulls. And he says, if you're good, you can do two of these a month. Or these people, they'll buy like an NFT that's well known and really expensive. So they're, they're investing like a quarter million sometimes or a hundred thousand dollars on like this, this image. So people know like, oh shit, this person has got clout or they got money. And they, and because all this NFT stuff is on blockchain and you can use it as an image, it protects the people. And that's, and they're all, everyone's okay with that because that's one of the best parts about it is that you don't know who everyone is. Well, the problem with that are happening where these people will buy like an expensive NFT. They'll put that as their profile, they'll build Twitter, they'll build a Discord, they'll build all stuff like that. They'll, they'll copy like a trending, like let's say board eight, board eight yacht club or whatever board yacht, I don't know if I'm saying that right. You guys know what I mean, right? That like their whole like blueprint on how they're making money. And they'll basically copy and paste like a similar like, you know, formula of what we're going to do, what we're going to give our people, hype up the Discord, and then release a bunch of this shit. And they make fucking 10, 15 million real quick. And then boop, just delete to disappear. It's like, and then fire up another one fucking two weeks later. It's like, it's like a stock pumping dump. Yes. It's like a pumping dump. Yes. And it's getting real popular for people to do this. It's not regulated. It's like in the, in the trading world, we had to know that was coming in the trading world. This is old school. You would buy shitty, worthless stock. And then you would pump it up to a bunch of people drive the shares up and then sell your, your bit, make your money. Now the, now the thing that's crazy though and where it's different than pump a dump, it's a lot easier to get track the people that are involved that we're doing that where this is all protected on the blockchain. So these people go in, create this whole thing on the blockchain and they walk away with all this money. Ain't nobody do nothing about it. Wow. Yeah. Did you hear North Korea is, has these hackers or whatever that apparently have hacked and stole a bunch of crypto money to fund their like nuclear program. Have you heard of this? No. Yeah. Apparently they're, I got to read it. So they can hack now and well bro, they've proven that already. Yeah. It's not the, it's not the blockchain. It's like the wallets and stuff. That's the thing that Snowden said. That was why he, he came out and made that statement about why he's like worried about the wallets are as safe as the actual cryptocurrency that it doesn't make any sense. Right here. This is, this is a UN report. Missile program funded through stolen crypto. North Korean cyber attacks have stolen millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency to fund the country's missile programs. So to, you know, people who say you can't steal it. The weak link is not the blockchain, but rather the way people store their crypto and stuff. And apparently this is from the UN. North Korean hackers did this to fund their missiles. So, I know this whole thing is interesting. It's getting crazy. I'm wondering where it's going to be in just like five years from now. Like is it going to, I mean are we going to see this massive correction in a lot of this stuff? We're already seeing a correction. Crypto's already gone down quite a bit, but I think you're going to see a, I think you're going to, there's value to it, but it's so bubbly and frothy and, and full of, it'll, it'll be just be, like, the technology is brilliant. I mean, I don't know where you guys are. Like if, so I pay attention to all this, like the way it's going to be for cars, a lot. I mean, how it, that's going to be a very tickets to a show. Yeah. I mean, it's a great way to protect yourself when you buy something of a great value. You now have, like somebody else try and steal it, resell it or, or fix it or work on it. Like that'll come up right away. That's not, it's somebody else's. It'll be easy to trace and track. So there's tremendous value in this technology. It ain't going away. I 100% stand by it, but boys are going to be a lot of scams on the way. There's a lot of shenanigans right now to weave through. Yeah. The dot com bus was like that, right? It's like, oh my God, there's a lot of excitement and again, that frothiness around it that any dot com, anything was valued so much and then you had a crash, which washed out a ton of these companies. So I think it'll be, it'll be something similar in my opinion. Hey real quick, look, if you like soda, but hate the sugar and the calories, go try ollie pop. Now ollie pop, nothing artificial. So everything in there is real. It's very low calorie. I believe like 30 calories per can, but they're actually good for your gut health. These are actually sodas designed to feed good bacteria and reduce inflammation in the gut. They're very gut friendly, very, very low in calorie, all natural. I love them and they have flavors that are like the sodas you drank when you were a kid. So if you're interested, head over to mindpumppartners.com, click on ollie pop and then the code for the discount is mind pump. Go check them out. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Kara from Colorado. Kara, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, guys. Before I get going, I just wanted to say, so I was a trainer from 2012 to 2015 and I love the industry. I did something to shows at the time and I just didn't see an out. So I kind of stopped everything, qualified for nationals in Bikini and stopped from there. Did my own thing for five years or so. 2020 said enough is enough. I went back to my coaching business and in November I started training again, probably because of you guys, I found your podcast maybe in April and I just want to thank you for giving language to all the bullshit in the fitness industry. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I just really resonate to what you all say more than anyone else and I'm just so appreciative. So I just want to say thank you so much for everything that you do. Thank you for those words. Thanks. Cool. So yeah, my question that I asked was, I heard you, Sal, talk about Prisitan pretty early on, an earlier episode and I was just wondering, so I got some Choline and it's really been helping with my brain fog as I'm coming off of having COVID. So I'm wondering if there's a way to go about looking up new tropics and I don't really know much about new tropics drugs but I like supplements. I like playing around with supplements and I'm just interested in holistic health and yeah. Cool. No, it's good question. So Prisitan is a drug from the racetem categories of drugs. So it's actually a synthetic product. It's a prescription in some countries but here in the U.S. it's like a gray market so it's not really regulated. You could buy it over the counter and it's loosely, I guess, categorized as a new tropic. So in some studies it's been shown to improve things like verbal fluency in people who have noticed declining verbal fluency or memory recall in people who have early stages of maybe dementia and stuff like that. So a lot of people have messed around with these substances to see if it's done anything for them. I'm one of those people. I've messed around I make no, it's not a mystery that I like to mess around with compounds and supplements and stuff to kind of see what happens. Now here's a deal with Prisitan. It's my personal experience and then also the experience I've had having other people try it. For me it's got a bit of a racy feel. I notice maybe an improvement in some things but I also notice that I crash when it kind of wears off and don't feel so good. So this is why I've never really used and I've tried lots of the Erasitam molecules. There's an Erasitam there's lots of different, you know, Oxa Erasitam I believe is another one. There's lots of different types and they're all supposed to be a little different. I wasn't really a huge fan. I gave some to Adam, Justin and Doug for fun just to see what happened and they all had headaches and didn't feel good from them at all. Choline is a natural compound. Probably should be labeled essential. It's not currently labeled essential but I think it probably should be. You find it in certain foods like egg yolks and if it's low supplementing with it can help with, you know, kind of cognitive performance. So choline's pretty good. Caffeine can help some people if they're fatigued but I will say this when it comes to substances and supplements to help with I guess mental acuity or to help with brain fog they pale in comparison to and I know them sound like a broken record they pale in comparison to things like diet, exercise, stress management and sleep. They really don't they're really poor substitutes like if you have poor sleep caffeine can help but it doesn't do at all what good sleep would do for all of those things and so, you know, keep that in mind but as far as the instantem drugs are concerned I'm not I'm not really a big fan that's why I talked about them once and then I really haven't really brought them up except for maybe to talk about kind of that gray market part of the supplement industry that I think is interesting but I don't think that they're they're really great for, you know, what people say therefore. So what do you think because I I didn't have a good experience with these at all what are some recommendations though that you would give for like natural because they're natural lines main. Yeah, what are some natural substances that she could take instead of that if you want to you know, the thing with the the word neutropic if you look up what it's supposed to mean it literally means a substance that upon taking will improve cognitive performance. Now, technically like I mentioned caffeine is not a neutropic. However, what's interesting in that category is if you're fatigued your mental performance will drop. Taking caffeine does improve mental performance in that particular context. So that's why I like to put that there. Some people would put drugs like Adderall or Ritalin in that category. However, there's interesting studies that show that they don't really improve cognitive performance. They just they just make people more interested in the boring smarter when they take them. Now, exogenous ketones would that be a classification of neutropic because I know it does help like my clarity in terms of my sharpness of a memory recall. You know, it's weird about that. So going into ketosis for some people makes a big difference. I would imagine it's probably people who either A have issues with blood sugar or insulin. Alzheimer's is like type 3 diabetes. Some people will call it or I mean lots of food intolerances. And so you feel less inflamed, less bloated, a little bit sharper from doing so. You can experiment with that, Kara. You can go on a ketogenic diet. Just make sure you get adequate sodium. I want to say that a lot of people go ketogenic feel like garbage and think they they call it the keto flu. Oh my God, I feel typically it's when you go on a ketogenic diet, you drop carbohydrates. You're going to lose a lot of water and when you lose a lot of water, you need a lot more sodium. And so, we work with a company called LMNT. It's a great product if you want to drink something that tastes good with salt. Otherwise, salt the shit out of your food, add a little salt to your water. That usually makes up the difference. But also, you go in ketogenic diet, you can expect some performance drops and strength. So it's a bit of a trade-off. You're not going to be as strong, not have much stamina and endurance, but you may feel sharper doing something like that. Fasting can do that really quick. Like if you did more, what is it in the Organifi pure that makes me feel that way? So products like that are more like, you're looking at, I'm glad you said that because I was going to go then, I totally forgot, there are compounds that help with brain health. So like, Lion's Mane, for example, is one of those things. So if you took Lion's Mane, you might not, you're probably not going to notice anything until you take it for two or three weeks, right? And then what they'll show is it's improving brain health a little bit over time. Things that help with your gut. So that's why when you take it over time, you start to kind of notice like, oh, I feel, I feel kind of good. What I like about it is more, it's more natural ingredients in terms of like what they use. So for me, like it didn't have that. I don't know if it's because of the artificial blend that you get from the race attempts, but that's what really gave me a headache. Yeah. So I don't know, I don't get a headache from this. And it does over time. It really does help with your memory. You recall. It does. It's just one of those, you know what it is if you take something, this is a general rule. If you take something that you feel right away, you can almost always bet that you're going to get this adaptation response in the body and the brain where it starts to down regulate receptors and change its own production of certain chemicals. And so then over time it stops to be as effective. And then when you go off of them, there's this kind of rebound effect where you feel, you know, kind of crappy for a week or two. And it just, again, it doesn't, it doesn't substitute lifestyle by any stretch of imagination. Now for someone with COVID brain fog, this one's a really interesting one. I personally, now I'm not going to recommend this. I'm not a doctor. But what I would do care if I was you is I would see if going on a ketogenic diet for a week or two makes a big difference. I have a hunch that the anti-inflammatory effects of the ketogenic diet would have a positive effect on somebody like you. But you have to experiment with it and see, you know, how you feel about it. I hope that helps you out really. There's really nothing out there that's going to make a huge difference aside from your, you know, things that might help improve brain health in conjunction with, you know, good diet, exercise and sleep. Care, have you tried the Organified Period? I haven't, no. Give that a try. I mean, Justin and I both love that. Yeah. And I had a bad experience with the race and sleep, by the way. Sleep is pretty good. Yeah. I've been, I've been really toned in since I like quit my day job and just working for myself. So it's been awesome. How? Just, just off of COVID, I just noticed like brain fog and like a significant increase with the choline. So I was just wondering from there, I'm like, oh, this stuff is great. How long, how long ago did you get over COVID? Maybe like two weeks ago. Okay. You know, here's some good news. That brain fog typically lasts maybe a month or two at the most. I know Adam felt fatigued for like what, it was like six weeks or so after? Yeah. I'd say about six weeks. And then it kind of got better after that. My wife, the same thing. So, you know, there's very, very small percentage of people from what I've read where it lasts really long. It's usually from what I've read and people I know, it's like a month or two afterwards, at most. Cool. That makes a lot of sense. Okay. Does that help? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's interesting. Percitane, percitane sounds like cratum in a way. It's not at all. Cratum is a, I love cratum. It's nothing like that for sure. No. But hold on. Cratum, you will have, cratum does have addictive properties and you will have withdrawal if you take it regularly and then go off. Cratum, that feeling that you would get from cratum is the same thing that you get from like an opiate, right? So it pairs with the opiate receptor. You get that feeling of like so it's less to do with like the mental clarity and more of that. Like mood. Yeah. Yeah. It always puts me in a good mood. Yeah. But I, when I, when I talk to people about cratum and I'm afraid, I'm not afraid. I'm very cautious. Talk about it on the show because of the withdrawal. People can. Oh, it's very, it's very addictive. Well, you know, I found myself, you know, starting off with like six of those 500 milligram pills and then quickly to eight and quickly to 10 then 12. So you quickly move up with it. I also have shared in the past about, you know, I battled with opiate addiction in the past. So it's something that is, I'm very aware of. It's like the lesser of an evil, right? Yeah. Way, way, the withdrawal is bad, but nothing like an opiate. Right. Right. But I could get there though. I know people that keep scaling up before you know it, you're taking 30 or 40 of those things and then good luck, you know, so. Definitely. I had to give it up. I was like, nah, this isn't working at your life. I understand the feelings. It's a good time, but you got to be careful. Exactly. Yeah. Cool. Awesome. Thanks for calling in. Thank you so much. Yeah. I, boy, identify a little bit with what she's saying. You know, you look for things to that you either can change your state of mind or help with certain, you know, challenges you have. And in some ways, it can become a little valuable. But like, when it comes to like improving your mental clarity, like, man, if I get a good night of sleep, there isn't a thing that I've ever tried or stacked that I've ever tried that even comes close to just being hands down. Yeah. Nothing comes close to something like that. I think that and actually just being fast at going to stuff like that. I always feel that one. That's the one. So I hate working out fasted, but I love the podcast or do something where I need to be sharp. I'd notice a huge difference when I'm just not fed. It's wild. Yeah. I know when I'm, I want to be sharp all fast. Yeah. Because it does make a difference for me. But working out performance wise, that totally different. Our next caller is Chris from Minnesota. Chris, what's happening? How can we help you? How's it going guys? Good. All right. First off, I have to do the obligatory thank you for the content you produce. I really like that you guys make the health and fitness space entertaining to listen to on a daily basis. Thank you. Awesome. My question is about routine and consistency. I'm getting back into lifting and fitness after about a year long break and I'm starting into maps anabolic. I've learned that I'm a very routine driven person. And when I struggle to maintain consistency, it's usually because my weekly routine gets thrown off for one reason or another. So the actual question I have is what other hacks and daily routines have you guys found to help yourselves or past clients make health and fitness a part of their daily life? Oh, Chris, did you listen to I did an we did an episode or was it I don't know if it was Q and air or an episode that we did and I talked about the weekend hack. Did you hear me talk about that yet? Was that with Jason Phillips? Oh, it might have been with Jason. Was it recent? Yeah, I think so. It was a recent episode. It might have been with Jason. But I basically what I was talking about was making your like win the weekend and then the week sends the follow, right? So in the past, you know, I used to train really hard and consistent Monday through Friday. I was the most dialed on my diet, didn't miss my routine because my whole whole routine was there. I'd work schedule where I got to work at the same time and left for the same time and because I had scheduled clients all day long, I had to be very regiment about what time I ate. And so it was really easy for me to stay tight Monday through Friday and then Saturday or Sunday would be tired and then maybe I'll watch a little football on Sundays. Hey, if I'm going to enjoy off the diet and maybe that's when I'll have my pizza. You know, so what I found was many of these weekends, I would easily have one or two days that actually would kind of cancel all the good work that I did in the previous week because I was moving so little, sometimes not training and then also if I were to over consume it would be on those days. And so I had switched this mindset up about, I don't know, seven years ago or so maybe longer where I said, okay, I'm not going to put a lot of pressure on myself throughout the week. I know I'm going to have some days off or I miss workouts or maybe I, you know, eat off the meal plan but I'm going to win Saturday and Sunday. Saturday and Sunday, that's going to become my day where I'm more tight around the diet and then if I want to cut loose during the week, I will. And what I found was it sets the tone for the week and because it's the flexibility to go off the plan or stop or take a day off, I wanted to stay consistent and just, you know, winning the weekends was a huge hack for me. So I don't know if that's something that you've implemented or tried but anybody that I've taught that to sees a big difference in their consistency. Chris, I'm going to comment a little bit on your question because I don't think people realize just how important this question that you're asking is of all of the, for the average person, of all the factors that they need to consider when it comes to their workout routine, the most important factor is how can I organize things or do things in a way that will lead to consistency because a bad workout, I mean, of course, if it doesn't hurt, you know, that stuff, but a workout that's not that effective done consistently is more effective than a super effective workout that's done consistently. It's the most important thing for the average person. If I had to look at everything I'd say just be consistent and look at kind of everything else. It's like the biggest rock, okay? Here's the single, the single most effective thing I've ever seen help someone with consistency and this is only if this particular thing works for the person but if it does, it works better than anything else and I'll give you a little bit of a background. You know, when I managed gyms and I managed and worked in gyms for a very long time, when you do that for a while, you notice trends in your facility. So, you know, crowds of people coming in at different times, you start to notice trends, when it's busy, when it's not busy, certain months are busier than other months, who's more consistent versus who's less consistent and there is no group more consistent in the gym than the morning group, okay? The 6 a.m., the 5, 6 and 7 a.m. crew, whatever you want to label them, is by far the most consistent member base that you'll find in your gym. The evening people, super transient, you'll have a small group that always show up at night but it's like, the most transient is after work, by far. The middle of the day, you know, maybe not as transient but not nearly as consistent. It's the early morning crew that you go to the gym. When I would go in at 6, 7 a.m., it was always the same people and it was like that for years. It was the same people all the time, by far. Now, this is for me too. Now, I don't like working out first thing in the morning. If I'm comparing it to other times in terms of performance and strength and endurance and all that stuff. But the reason why I work out in the morning is there's no better thing I've ever done for consistency. If I start my day with my workout, I'm gonna work out. If I end my day with my workout or interrupt my day with my workout, all kinds of stuff can get in the way. Even if you're fanatical, it just becomes a big pain in the butt. Work goes a little longer than you thought. Uh-oh, this popped up. Gotta pick up the kids. I'm tired. Whatever. But if it's the first thing I do when I wake up, it's the first thing that I do and I'm the most consistent ever when I do that. So if it works for you because this doesn't work for everybody, but if it works for you, start your day with your workouts and if that's what you always do, like I said, there's nothing I've ever seen to improve consistency, no single thing I've ever done to improve consistency better than that. Yeah, I just wanted to add, I guess, too, in terms of like things that I try to figure out initially with clients. Like what's gonna benefit them the most in terms of them coming back, having consistency, but also what's gonna move the needle a bit more that's really not invasive. So like if I'm looking at it in terms of lifestyle, like Adam's talking about winning the weekend, I'm looking at certain things that will improve their posture, improve their mood, improve their energy, all these things that we can ritualize. So one thing I had clients do was something they'd normally do, like take a shower in the morning, they do a wall press in the shower or they do it after they're done. They do something very simple that like covers a lot of the bases of the upper body and it sets your shoulders right, sets your necks, that's everything in the upper body, right, posturally. And then the other one was like a 90-90, maybe I'd have them do before they sit down to relax. They'd do that first thing and watch TV or do something like that. And then, you know, if they're eating, if try to walk after they eat their meals. Something like that where it's like it's very actionable and it's something that they can keep doing that doesn't really require a lot of effort or thought, which then builds momentum and builds going into then meeting and seeing me for the workouts. Chris, I have another hack that's more recent for me now, right? So I used to be an all-or-nothing type of guy when it comes to workout and diet. And either I'm dialed in and consistent and crushing the gym or I'm super inconsistent and something that's changed in the last probably five or six years that I'm really good about doing now that I would have never done in my 20s, which is be okay sometimes with maybe that this workout today is just squats or just Turkish get-ups. And because sometimes I'll be sitting at home and it'll be like the weekend and I know I told myself I'm going to get a lift in and I'm just like, man, I am not feeling like a 50-minute hard training session in the gym. And so I'll play this game where I'm like talking myself out of it and then I end up not doing it. Whereas now I kind of give myself this flexibility that, you know, you get 50 minutes and let's just go get four sets of squats out of them. I can go get four sets of squats. That doesn't take very much time. And what I find, one, doing something like squatting, deadlifting, Turkish get-ups, overhead pressing, there's such big, good, gross motor movements that they have so much carryover and so much benefit just from doing them that it's okay sometimes for me just to have a workout where that's all I do. But what actually ends up happening more often than not is I go in with that attitude that I've accepted that maybe I'll just do four sets of squats and once I get it going, I feel good and then I end up wanting to finish the workout. But a lot of it is the mental game of accepting that, hey, you know what, I don't have to do a full 50 minute workout. Maybe I'll just go in and do four sets of this movement that I know so valuable and allowing myself that freedom to be able to just do that sometimes. And again, what I find is I end up doing more or finishing the workout and even if I didn't, I still got a great four or five sets of squats, which like I said has tremendous benefit to it. Chris, do you have perhaps prime by any chance? I do. Yeah. That's been a real help. Awesome. Because the stuff that Justin was talking about obviously is in the compass test. So I just want to make sure you had that. So you knew how to do the wall press and what he was referring to. So I hope that all helped you out. Yeah, it does. You know, I really, the morning thing you mentioned is probably the biggest thing and probably also helps in developing a sleeper team too, which is something I struggle with as well. So there's probably more benefits than being consistent at the gym. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for calling in. I really appreciate it, guys. Yeah, no problem. Thanks, Chris. You know, I remember, you know, I remember managing like when I first, I don't want to say, I was even before I became a manager. This was when I was like, you know, a weekend manager or whatever. And I would go in hella early because I, you know, I was super competitive. I didn't have kids and I wasn't married with my parents at my parents house. So I could just go be there as long as I want. And I would show up at 5am, I would do it. And I remember, like I remember, it took like a, maybe a couple months and I remember thinking it's the same 30 people every time I come in at 5am, every time I come in at 6am and the rest of the time in the gym, it was always like, you'd see your regulars, but it was always like this changing crowd, right? Cause you know, we were in big box gyms and that's when I, and I remember thinking to myself like, who the hell wants to work out at 5am or 6am? This is ridiculous. And then of course, as you get older, you kind of interrupt it that way. It just makes perfect sense and it just, the only problem is the challenges is the whole, okay, I gotta wake up early. I gotta do that and then I gotta go to bed on time. Never felt as strong that early in the morning. Yeah, totally. So yeah, you have to kind of work your way through that, but I agree. It is probably the best strategy in terms of being able to repeat that because nothing's gonna like come in the way of your workouts typically. Yeah. Of all the factors that you have to consider, and they're all important. What kind of work out I do, intensity, sets, wraps, exercise. That's all very important. We spend a lot of time talking about that, but if people just figured out the consistency piece for themselves, they would be 80% of the way there, you know? Yeah, I think, I mean, there's no doubt that the 5am crew is always the most consistent in every gym, but a lot, a lot for me has been having empathy and I have to get this routine. Much of my drive in the gym was, you know, all about this look that I was always trying to achieve. It just wasn't worth it if you weren't all... That's right, right. And so I had this pressure of like, if I'm not making gains in, you know, muscle size or reducing body fat, I'm losing or I'm not progressing. I'm not moving in the right direction. And so, I had a lot of that attitude when I looked at my lifestyle and as I've gotten older, I realized like, the real reason why I'm doing this is to be able to move and play with my son, to be healthy and to be, you know, mobile and like, when you think of those goals, if your goal is, you know, longevity and overall health and mobility, it doesn't always have to be this 50 minute, you know, sweating, killing yourself routine. Sometimes it could be doing prime movement. It's like, just saying like, you know what, I really need to address my posture. I haven't done any of that. So just sitting there doing the wall test for 15 to 20 minutes. Like, if your routine doesn't look like this, you know, structured 50 minute, yeah, sometimes maybe it's just a good walk for an hour. Maybe like, there's been times like that on the weekend where I just, man, I need to go lift weights, but you know what, even though I'm not in it to go lift weights right now, I can throw on a jacket and go outside and go for a nice walk for an hour and go for a hike. You know, the irony of that is, Adam, is that you're without and I know you know this, but for someone listening, the side effect of that is you end up doing better anyway because you're just consistent, right? So because you're not all or nothing and you're doing something, the side effect of that is what you would want from being all in all the time, you know? So that's the irony of the whole thing. Our next caller is Gabby from California. Gabby, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi, I have been having an issue with my knee. I got maps Prime and Prime Pro, but it, I mean, I work long hours. I'm a bartender, so I'm standing a lot, but I've tried, you know, like 90-90, I've tried stretching. It seems to hurt a little bit more when I'm trying to come out of a stretch. So I don't know if it's helping or it's hurting. So I'm a little bit lost because I can't really, I mean, I can squat, but not that heavy or if I go heavy, it hurts. And then if I don't squat, I just, I don't know, it kind of sucks. Okay. So try this. This is like a miracle cure. Take Icy Hot, Ben Gay, and Tiger Balm. Whatever you're going to say. I'm joking. Totally joking. Okay. So I know you wrote your question up here and you had asked why Maps Prime and Prime Pro don't have a knee section. So let me address that first, Gabby, and then I'm going to ask you a few more questions. Is that okay? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. So the reason why we don't have specific knee mobility sometimes is because knee pain issues tend to come from almost always the ankles or the hips. Okay. So and the reason being is if you look at the knee joint, it only moves kind of in two directions. It flexes and extends. It doesn't rotate and it doesn't bend laterally. It only flexes and extends. The ankle and the hip are, they move all over the place. They move laterally. They rotate. They twist. They have lots of movement in comparison to the knee. And so what happens is if the ankle or the hip lacks strength and stability, then the ligaments of the knee tend to create that stability. And then over time you can create problems or even in the short time you can get yourself an injury. Which is also why she's probably feeling pain when she gets in and out of the 90-90. Yeah. So here's a tip with the 90-90 by the way. Whenever you're in a position where you're externally or internally rotating your legs both, right? One leg is externally rotated. That's the front leg and then one is internally rotated. That's the back leg. Make sure you flex your ankle. Bring your toes towards your shin because what that'll do is that it'll bolster the knee joint a little bit because what it sounds like is it sounds like you've got a little bit of inflammation and pain and some of the ligaments that prevent the rotating of the knee and because you're rotating the hip and those are tight or lack stability the knee is doing is trying to stabilize with the ligament. So does that make sense to bring your toes towards your shin and flex that while you're in position? Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. I would also have her foam roll before she gets in the 90-90. That'll help. She might be so tight that when she's getting in that, that's why I feel she probably feels pain in the toe. Yeah, especially I'm trying to see of like how it's tracking. You know, if you're really like tight along your IT band and like along the side like Adam said that would help to kind of, you know, help put you in a better position. Also too, if you have another way to kind of regress, you know, some of the intensity there within the 90-90 position you elevate, you know, your leg a bit or you have, you know, your hand is able to kind of you know, start from a higher position which makes it more easy to get into that position. Yeah, and also don't forget ankle mobility. So like if my knees bother me I used to think it was my hips all the time and I'd work on hip stuff and it would help a little bit but not a ton and then I learned later it was all in my ankles. So working on my ankle mobility and even, you know, supplementing a little bit with my ankle mobility made a huge difference. Well, one test of that that Dr. Brinkstone with us quite a bit is if you squat, if you squat with your heels elevated and you don't feel pain and it feels pretty natural and easy, you know, that's something that a lot of times will you need to look at your ankle mobility and, you know, address that specifically. There's a YouTube video that I did. I believe it's fixed knee pain, Doug. Yes, it is. Is that what it is? Yeah, so we brought it up on a show before and again, we'll put it in the show notes. Okay. So check that video again because I believe I address the foam rolling. I believe I address the ankle mobility all in there. So that's something that you can do before you get in. But that's the reason why there's nothing in Prime or Prime Pro related to knees because it's going to be ankle or hip always. So that's kind of the area. All the exercises and work in those programs that's centered around the ankles and the hips is basically where you need to be. If it's really uncomfortable to get in the 90-90, there's a good chance, I don't know for sure, but there's a good chance that it's related to your IT and then in that video I just referenced, it shows you how to foam roll the IT. That'll give you a little bit of relief before you go into the 90-90 and then that should help you out. So that's something that you want to practice religiously. This is such a visual thing, too, us trying to figure this out and cue and coach. One thing, so do you notice at all if your knees travel outward or inward when you squat down? So I normally, I feel like I have, it's more comfortable for me to have a little bit of a wider stance and have my feet pointed out a little bit. And then I know your knees are not supposed to cave in, obviously. I work on like pushing them out. This is more actually rotates more comfortable. Yeah. So and it's always been that way. And I have been squatting for like, I don't know, maybe like two years before I had any issues. Okay. I'm pretty heavy. And then I think it was when I started like running and squatting. Maybe, I don't know, I think one day, I remember one day specifically I had ran like two miles and then that same day happened to me like day and I just like went really IT. Yeah. 100% IT. For sure. After getting tight like that from the squats and then going out running like that, I guarantee that have you ever foam rolled your IT before? I have. So the thing is it's mostly like the inner side of my knee. Like it hurts more the closer I bring like if I sit crisscross or like if I go from pigeon to active pigeon, I can feel like a sharp. Yeah. This is your meniscus is trying to prevent your knee from twisting. That's what that's what that is. So if you look at your knee joint, there's, there's ligaments that prevent it from sliding forward, sliding back, bending laterally. And then you have the meniscus that prevents it from twisting. And so the reason why you're having pain when you're in pigeon or in 90 90 is because your hips are rotating. So your, there's a little bit of lack of stability there. And so your meniscus is holding tight and you're probably giving yourself a little bit of inflammation with that. Here's something so the flexing of the foot will make a big difference by the way. It might not fix it completely, but it'll help you do some of these positions. So you got to bring the toes back and when you do that what you're doing is you're activating the tibialis and that provides a little bit of stability in the knee or at least it prevents the meniscus and it's a little bit of a stretch. The other piece of advice I'd have for you Gabby is for while you're working on this I would do mostly unilateral exercises for your lower body. So I would avoid squats, front squats, those types of exercise and I would do I'd also take it easy on the running too. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. Take it easy on the right and I would do unilateral stuff. Lunges, Bulgarian split stance squats, single leg toe touches just until things start to feel better I'll go lighter and go slower to get a little bit better before you progress back to your bilateral movements like squats. Okay. All right. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Thank you guys. Hope that helps. Thanks for calling in. Thanks Gabby. Thank you. Yeah, it's the whole knee issue is interesting because you know what one of the challenges is you'll say to somebody well it's usually the ankle or the hip right and they'll be like but I got imaging done and I have patella or have inflammation yeah there's definitely the compensations happening ligament wise but that's not ideal. No and it's in the you know that rotating aspect like for example in jiu-jitsu there's a submission called a heel hook and it's literally you're twisting the leg while keeping their hips stationary and people think it's a it's a foot lock but it's not it's tearing your knee totally apart and that's what's happening the ankle moves but the knee doesn't and then you get the problem. Yeah it's got to get better alignment and then you know everything sort of we got to strengthen the supporting cast so that way like it keeps it stabilized yeah this will bother me too same thing yeah if it's and it's my ankles if my ankles are really tight and I squat heavy that's exactly what I'll feel I'll feel on the inner outer part of my knee I just want to highlight too this is another reason why we tend to hammer the whole running thing so much too because this is super common it's super common that's gasoline on a problem yeah and then if she's getting real tight from her squats and she's already got the condition or issue going on or the lack of ankle mobility and stability and hip mobility and stability and then you go for a run on top of that it's just like you're never going to get ahead of this because you're constantly going to be battling this so you know regressing a little bit doesn't mean you can't go do cardio you know hiking up a hill would be really good you know elliptical there's other things that we can do instead of that but this is why running can just be so in the main reason isn't necessarily because running's bad it's because nobody treats running and then she goes and does it a lot and nobody treats it like practice like you know she's probably focused on her technique and form when she squats but then when you run what do you do you run to fatigue and that's when things really start to hurt our next caller is Ashlyn from Minnesota Ashlyn how can we help you hi so recently I had third weight training again after a really long hiatus so I was approaching it as a beginner I had been consistent for about three to three months until I got COVID so since I've been out from training for about three to four weeks and I've been wanting to get back to it but I've been dealing with this lingering fatigue and exhaustion from the COVID that I haven't experienced in a long time since having adrenal fatigue so anyway my question is what do you guys think is the best healthiest safest way to get back into weight training with this fatigue and exhaustion yeah good question so there's a horse do you warmer I'm just kidding don't cancel us Spotify no okay so no I'm just kidding no okay so here's the deal Doug or they're cringing I know he's already freaking out alright I'm gonna give you the like the answer from my expertise and then I'm gonna give you the non-expertise answer just based off of stuff that I've read okay so here's this is like this is for sure the good advice for sure good advice is give it some time go very slowly and train according I've talked to lots of people that feel like you do after recovering from illness and it seems like some people it takes one to two months before they start to start to feel like themselves and you know Adam was somebody the same thing had about a month and a half or two months where he kind of felt crappy and then slowly it came back so that's the that's the for sure like piece of advice okay here's some speculation based off of what I've read take it with a grain of salt I'm not a doctor but I've read a lot about NAC supplementation to help with recovery from COVID there's been some studies show there's a strong connection correlation to low glutathione levels and severe you know symptoms of COVID and long COVID so you can find liposomal glutathione we work with a company called Live On they produce it it's really good it's one of the best ones I've found and then NAC you can find online Amazon doesn't sell anymore because I think the FDA is trying to re-regulate it and you know although it's been available for 20 years weird why all of a sudden they want to do that but anyway that's a side note those two things right there try supplementing with them and see if that helps with your recovery but again that's the part take with a grain of salt the most important part is just give yourself time everybody I've talked to that's been in the situation it took them about a month to two months and then they started to feel like themselves as far as programming and stuff do you have map starter I don't I've been using a mixture of don't hate me fitness influencer programs that I felt like took the best from each one and kind of made my own so I don't have a map one yet we're going to send you map starter yeah oh thank you we don't want you Bambi's butt building yeah we don't want you doing that is that what you're doing map starter will be absolutely perfect trust the process to anytime I put Katrina back on starter after she's been off for a while she's always antsy to get back after like listen follow the programming I promise that you'll continue to see great results it'll get you ready for something a little more intense so I would I would follow starter after you go through starter then I would consider going to anabolic so follow follow starter to T we're going to send that over to you for free that's what I do and then so I just walked you know so I would go I would go for walks and because I even noticed like if I had my chest like it was just it was harder for me to breathe and it took me a good solid almost two months and all I would do is I would I would go or I'd be like riding the bike around the block with max and you know something that I could do for a half hour an hour no problem I could only do for about 10 or 15 minutes and so I would just do that I would kind of I would kind of push to that limit and then I would back off and then relax and I noticed I'd be really tired after that so definitely just take it slow and do walks and starter for now listen to your body I mean you really got to pay attention to those signals and like take take it easy and really take that tempo and that pace down substantially so you can you know use this time to work on the quality of your form and the mechanics of the movements and you know even just kind of sit in it for a while and rebuild that tension and just just kind of pace it out at a very slow pace and you're going to build that momentum and get back when your body's adequately ready yeah Ashley one more piece of advice okay yeah so are you a trainer or a coach are you a trainer or coach do you coach anybody or train anyone I'm a yoga teacher but not a fitness trainer okay so okay awesome so this is going to be great okay so I have a little bit of knowledge of yoga I've taken yoga maybe I don't know he bought the pants maybe 30 times okay now on the weekends no I'll joking aside imagine this right you're a yoga instructor you know what you're doing imagine if you had someone like me who came to you and said hey listen I'm doing my own yoga routine I took like 15 classes or I watched 15 videos on Instagram and I put together what I think to be the best routine for myself like how would you how would you feel about that or what would you think about that you're like stop it yeah so what you're doing is number one you're picking routines from a pool of idiots okay so fitness influencers are are literally fitness morons so they're I'm not exaggerating themselves they're dumb and what you're doing is you're not only picking from a pool of idiots but then you're taking that and mixing it based off of your you're limited experience so no offense to you I get it but you don't know what you don't know and so what you've probably done is you're probably taking terrible routines and just making another terrible one so follow map starter as it's laid out trust the process just like you would want when you're students to trust your process and then see how see what happens okay and should I take the program at the pace that it's say take it out or should I just take it slow and listen to my body oh well always listen to your body always but it's de-factored that in yeah that's factored into it that's why it's called map starters the thought process is somebody who's been away from lifting for a while or somebody who just came out of having a child like it's definitely a good place for you to start right now and just follow it as instructed unless it's too if it is too much back off but I think you'll be fine yeah awesome that's great thank you so much you guys I really appreciate this no problem thank you all right I tell you what man I really appreciate the social media fitness influencers because it's it's like bringing us customers boy do they give us like they give us a great part of the market any time we get something like that it always just reminds me of how much more work I've been listening to us for I don't know obviously long enough to know she knows how to you know sit in a question and get on here but then doesn't have any of the programs and is randomly pulling from influencers it's like how many of how many of our audience is still or how many people in our audience are still doing things like that so right yeah the problem is that they they value exercise is just movement well I'm just moving when Craig and I were hanging out and he referred to exercise programming is ice cream flavors I almost fucking you know threw my head through the wall after he said that are you fucking kidding me this is part of the problem this is part of the problem is that people really think it's just ice cream flavors and it's like oh you like Rocky Road have Rocky Road oh you like Menchip have Menchip it's like there's a lot of science that goes into good programming just like programming it's more like programming for a fucking computer program your computer on you throw a couple wrong ones and zeros and it doesn't do anything or it crashes the whole very effective way to get to your desired outcome and it's just like there's a science behind it and I guess that's why we get irritated because you know immediately whether or not they're using any science in their programming yeah well and it's also there's also a major difference between programming for results and just general exercise okay so I'll give you that you just want to randomly move and just burn calories and that's your desired outcome but most people calling in or most people listening to the show have specific goals I want to lose X amount of body fat I want to build so much muscle I want to run faster jump higher live longer yeah so you're consistent that's great now let's look and see what's the best way right you know to be consistent it reminds me of like when I you know I have friends who you know someone who's pointing a gun at you oh my god dude this is going to perfectly like happen exactly how the person's coming at you they're like dude they're going to get someone killed if somebody follows this stupid advice it's hilarious look if you like our content you got to go to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides we have guides that can help you with almost any fitness or health goal you can also find all of us on Instagram so Justin is