 It's the breakfast in plus severe Africa. It's time where we look at the pages of our dailies. We call it off the press Okinawa, Incotiria joins the conversation as a public affairs analyst as always on Mondays He joins via phone. It's good to have you join us this morning All right, happy belated independence day celebration All right, then let's start off with the leadership newspaper this morning And looking at it you have very interesting headlines on the leadership The board caption says as Buhari's administration winds down in 11 months Nigeria Steel grapples with terrorism kidnappings and killings Underneath 913 killed 265 abducted in 421 attacks last month These according to a report now 30 wedding guests kidnapped in Sokoto 11 killed in Benway You also have another rider saying southwest governors Revisit state pleas to strengthen amoteco We have done a lot to tackle challenges. This is according to You know the defense ministry However, we'll move away from that akt 2022 IGP deploys DIG for aig's and for helicopters Now the question has always been why do we constantly? Militarize our elections Don't pay lip service to credible election pdp replies president mohamad abuari after that speech New health insurance expert fault 300 narrow monthly per enrollee Niger's democracy is growing The vice president yamio seabadger was quoted on that And syrup acts flag bearers to publish asset reject vote buying because you know you have the consequence for Buying and selling off votes at the end Bakery To noble candidates this own viral manifesto I mean these are some of the headlines on the leadership newspaper this morning Away from the leadership newspaper. We quickly take a look at the daily independent None on the daily independence nigerian air stakeholders query identity of 95 investors and directors That's quite interesting deployment of utas condition for suspending strikes This is what ass is saying. So ass is saying hey, it's not about x y z But we're talking about the mode of payment, which is utas Well, let's see how all of that pans out. That's the boat captioned this morning Bandits abduct 50 wedding guests along so koto zamfra highway This is according to a report We averted catastrophic accident or incident in abuja canoe last week military chief is saying Over massacre poor turnouts greets churches as st. Francis catholic church remains short Would you expect Sarah key OB Some will you who's a dimmer x Nigerians? x Nigerians To keep faith in democracy and country I will carry pdp stakeholders along in choosing my running mate a tikku is quoted on that You also have politicians mooring muslims limp tickets Inviting cures can once This is time to strengthen democracy Social cohesion the vice president is also quoted to say that I remain AFN national president pending an appeal Is also reporting on that one, but we'll move away from the daily independent Let's quickly take a look at the punch Now on the punch apc may unveil to noobs running mate wednesday party focuses on north east Party warned over muslim muslim tickets majority leader says no costs for lamb Vice president should come from the north east Governors focusing on the zone You also have apc may concede the senate president to the southeast speaker to the northwest Federal government borrowings from cbn heat 19 trillion narrow inflation may worsen Oh You also have democracy day governors demand credible elections opc Don cries feeding bottle federalism Federalism, uh, that's what you find the riders are not quite uh clever We'll just move on to other headlines on the punch just before we move away from the punch newspaper Kaduna rivers 30 orders attract zero foreign investment in first quarter I'm sure you want to find out why that is federal government was wrong to shut Nigerian borders deputy president Freight forwarders is quoted on that federal government meets asu today Sanu on friday and asu is saying the only reason the strike will be suspended if The government agrees to the payment system, which is called the utas the government has said I mean its fraudulent system on the other hand I know kasing the air system is also fraudulent, but whose report do we believe away from that Contributary pension gains 640 billion naira in four months heats Of 14 trillion naira and federal government invest 379.6 billion in 23 state erosion control Blackout worsens as greed collapses the fifth time in 2022 You have more interesting headlines, but for the want of time We just move away from the punch and let's quickly take a look at the nation newspaper this morning on the nation Southwest governors draw battle plan against terrorists And our church killings ignite action Three days morning for our victims or car the riders influx to be curtailed That's what you find Another one says supreme court just has deployed poor service conditions gunmen kill 11 in benway community 50 abducted in so koto and democracy day you find we have made progress says federal government fourth anniversary marked in abuja and states To noble campaign organization this owns fake manifesto Umai on the fire for attacking ohanese president Obiazor And you also find states to share world banks 750 million naira facility And we constantly the question has been pulled. Why do we what we always about sharing? What are we bringing to the table? Well, that's the much we can take this morning on the papers. Let's head over to Open up on kataria who joins us via phone this morning to share his thoughts on the headlines open up on kataria It's good to have you join us once again My pleasure Um, let's start off with the papers now I'd like to leave it open to you which of the headlines and trust you as I went through the pages of national dailies Well, they're all interesting. So we can start with any one of the choice So go ahead Let me see the paper please on the screen Okay, so let's start off with the leadership now and now that you've handed the ball back to me As buhari's administration winds down in 11 months Reporters saying that niger is still grappling with terrorism kidnappings and killings Do you agree with this a session? I mean that that's very fragable. In other words, I think you can't control that fact On daily basis we have kidnappings killings of terrorism All over the country. I mean it is being contemporized by The media as well because you don't have a choice. You have to immediately flood the society So when these things happen, you just have to report that No doubt The government has been overwhelmed by these terrorists who on daily basis daily basis wreak havoc on Nigeria and Nigeria As a big barbecue of Nigeria, you know We just had of your war We also had of what happened yesterday on democracy day And all we get from the federal government is just Rhapsody You know every day they come on air. They make promises. They tell you the federal government is done his best On top of the situation. I'm sure But it's like messy somebody coming to tell you that messy you're a man I mean But how will somebody come to tell you messy that you're a man How you begin to you want to examine the person's head on daily basis you tell us they're on top of the situation Yeah, the situation is faster So I don't know how you're on top of such a situation So my dear messy and dear Nigeria, I can tell you That when it comes to economy when it comes to security The federal government has performed that dismally In fact, the federal government has failed to work me when it comes to the economy and when it comes to security Nigeria's are the messy Some governors have even climbed out saying that these terrorists are taking over half of their their space They're inside of local governments They've hoisted their plans and so on some even take what we call babies are captive from the villagers As you tell you on top of the situation they are now in pain is that Certain persons who I can refer to as an a blast like Gumi Uncle will make his laboratory statements with impunity will dare the federal government Look at what he said about The killings, you know without a change of culture trying to justify the killing I mean how how else What else do you need to prove that these are needless And they are benefited tremendously from from the the killings and the the Uh, uh, keep nothing from terrorism being under this country and you have the federal government is just silent But if any south panel, especially the vote from the south She makes such a comment The leader in that territory or arrest such a person So my guess is why I can tell you that The leader keep is absolutely correct The federal government has failed hopefully in addressing the security situation and the economic situation in the country But but let's also look at this now and if you look at the security situation It seemed to be a global concern. I mean, it's not just peculiar to Niger You you have even developed claims where you have proper structures and you want to say that the government is on top of the situation Grappling with a lot for instance The united states been on top of the news of recent times with the recent shootings in different parts And so Don't you think that, you know, it's it's just a universal issue and not necessarily You know a Nigerian problem He let us not try to balance the facts or uh, while that employer was to refer to us in criminology Techniques of neutralization that would be absolutely Excuse me. No, you're absolutely wrong the civilized crimes The perpetrators are arrested And there is cheap response There is no such thing as a known gunman You don't hear that the civilized crimes But that's what you hear. That's the man for right now a known gunman Every time a known gunman And in civilized crimes the perpetrators are arrested how many of them are arrested here So you cannot make comparisons of course, there is no country in this world That is the world of crime The more civilized you are The more criminal activities You're bound to experience No doubt about that. I mean, it's you know, a crime goes with civilization That's the all I do But the stuff taken by the government is what makes the difference So you cannot compare the civilized countries to Nigeria Where everything you hear is you have some of the situation where nothing is done In civilized crimes, you cannot Both money And release the black money To service chiefs and that Some folks will come and let you say There is nothing to show for it that Nothing was brought to the money release And you have to find those service-saving service chiefs And find that out It's not happening in any civilized crime That is encouraging Criminality itself So you vote money, maybe a trillion dollars A trillion to buy Equipment to fight the crime And the equipment are not boxed And those who are to have been punished Are getting made ambassadors You can't have that The situation is this thing You can't hear of a non-government in civilized crimes You can't hear that And once this thing happens The government reacts promptly They arrest perpetrators That is what happens As it happened in Nigeria Not at all So please there is no comparison whatsoever Okay, but you know I mean from what you're saying is that The approach is different So you have crime And the issue of, you know Security as a major concern in different climes But at the end of the day It's the approach But we also have, just as you have police structure You also have police You have everything that it takes Just as you would have in this crime So the problem or the question would be Why are we not having the desired result? Why are we not making the arrest? And why are we not... There is some level of complicity I love it You know it was the Nigerian military Head of State Listen now I don't want to use the word of black memory Well know what? Listen now Who said for crime This crime for crime The last 448 hours Then the government is involved That is a military head of state Who said that? And that is a fact So you're saying that the government So are you saying that the government is responsible for the insecurity That we're experiencing right now That the government has Merci We thought that the publications Merci, I've said this a billion times now I've said the government is complicit I've said it a billion times How else? You give money to somebody You send an IG to Bruno A former IG to Bruno He disobeyed you That is the surface insubordination You go to Bruno Few months after or few weeks after And only to be told that the IG The last 29 years What did you say? You said forward You go back and interrogate The IG said that is time No punishment for him How else can it be complicit Look at what Google is doing You're silent Look at what happened to the former service team The NSC came on air You said the service team Did not use the money of voters To provide the access Of service safety You made them ambassadors How else can it be complicit We thought it was complicit The government is complicit Thank you Well let's move away from that So we can also share your thoughts on other issues I mean still looking at the leadership newspaper You have Serap asking flag bearers To publish assets And reject vote buying Now what difference will this make As we inch close To our 2023 elections Whether the published Your asset or not Does it stop Serap is asking flag bearers To publish their asset More like asset declaration And also Asking that they reject Vote buying I don't know how these things can be But I'm saying that What difference does this make If they declared your asset Does it change anything If they declared your asset It is a way of giving To a very larger size A barometer To know For example what you declared And by the time it is published What you also going to declare Serap is only retreating it It's only accentrating it It's a law Once you You have an appointment That you are elected into office You declare your asset That's why you have the 50B and the 50C So it's already a law Now the old essence Is to check fraud You know some people going to office And enrich themselves At the expense of the state So If you declare your asset So you have just two hours But at the end of that Ten or more or four years When Your first term Will come To an end And you now have five or six hours Of course They will have to interrogate So know how you got the extra one or two hours When they look at The petitions of your office And there's a remuneration And what have you So the old essence is to check fraud But we all know That Nigerians and politicians Know how to circumvent this process They will get it from what means By company By the houses and the names of their Friends, families, family members And what have you But that is left for the security agencies The anti-drug agencies And what are jobs Just as they did with the Anti-drug And so on Who have been admitted today And I can assure you That that matter Will be consigned into oblivion What they are just doing Is employing what you call the failure policy With the passage of time It will be consigned into oblivion And that is the end of that So That is actually not new You have it in the city And you have the city to try to find that So there is really nothing new There is only talk of the both buying Politicians Will always want to buy votes And Nigerians are so hungry In continuous They need money to survive You can tell the Nigerians Not to accept money And vote is consigned And the first question we are going to ask Is How do I pay my child's cookies How do I pay my rent How do I eat for that day Because these are the issues So While we are again Good buying Or both selling But the issue is You must get an environment That will also stop After the current And the Nigerians Will not be able To fit themselves If not for the two square meals At least be able To address the basic needs That is when you Can make sense to any Nigerian When you say don't sell your vote Or don't buy your vote But when you say a man who cannot be And somebody gives him 5000 Naira Not everybody can resist That temptation Is difficult to resist that temptation We will have to be honest to ourselves He wants to live for The office We are not talking about luxury We are talking about basic things now He wants to go to work in the morning Even if he doesn't go to work He doesn't have the money to go to work He is trying to work To go to school To give his life power That's what he wants That's what he wants That's what I want to do But last I... We seem to be having a Hall back from you So I'd like that you probably Ton of the volume Of your TV set If that's on because we're having a feedback Right now And that would actually help us have a smooth conversation But let's just stay quickly with the leadership Newspaper now Okay so I think this is better Let's just look at one on the leadership before we turn our attention to the punch. Now, on the leadership, the AKT elections very close. We're looking at June, the 18th, and we're hearing that the deployment of, you know, DIG, you have the AIGs and four helicopters, and we're just talking about high presence of security personnel for that elections. Now, two school of thoughts, others are saying we cannot constantly militarize our elections. That has always been the pattern. But on the other hand, you can also not take out the fact that security is a major concern. So where do we go from here? What are your thoughts? Well, for now, I think it's necessary because when you consider the political tension and also consider the security situation in the country, I think we need that number of policemen during the AKT election, not the AKT, only elections for now in this country. Because you have the terrorists who might want to strike. You also have hoodlums who might want to disrupt the process. The whole issue of security has really nothing to do with safeguarding the process, so to speak. In other words, to present imagine of ballot boxes as well. I mean, we've passed last week now. Even if it's not the ballot box, it won't take it anywhere. I mean, it will amount to nothing. So it's all about the maintenance of law and order at the various polling units. So I think it is extremely necessary for now when you consider the volatiles, the only combustible political situation, especially with the reign of terrorism in this country, you need these people around there. Because these terrorists might want to make a statement. They might also want to contract the process. So you need these security at this point in time. With the passage of time, I think when the situations are, both of these situations have been contained, probably we are going to review the number. But I don't think we will ever, ever, in the next 10 years, we will see security at most during elections. Probably the numbers will be used. But for now, it is important. It's a period that you have done. All right, so quickly on the punch, the banner caption talks about the APC and its plan to unveil its running mate on Wednesday and the focus is going to be on the North East. And that's it. But you also have some quotas that are saying, I mean, some persons are saying, where is fairness and where is equity? If we're looking at the gentleman's agreement, even though it's not constitutionally recognized, how come the party is not even considering zoning or having the vice president slot coming from the South East, especially, you know, with all of the concerns? Yes, I agree to a very light answer. But let us also not forget that what is put amount now for the political party is winning the election. So when you talk of choosing a candidate, you must take that into consideration. That is number one. Number two, you have two major blocs. There's not 100,000. You are in southern precedent, because that's our candidate, and the person of Timibu, although I'm a vastness presidency for so many reasons, specifically on her grounds, because we are going to have the rehash of the Yeragura or, God forbid, Buari scenario, and it's going to take a toll on Nigeria. But I will say that is that Nigerians are going to decide. Now, you have to be able from the South. Definitely, it is only wise and a freedom that you take somebody from the North. If the APC is considered as not a candidate, I don't think it should be falsehood. Here are the sentiments of South East. And the issue of trying to placate the Igbo's, the South Easterners, who believes that they have been marginalized or discriminated against, that you have the PDP. The choice is theirs. If either you vote for the APC, or you vote for the PDP, or you vote for Neko Pati, but for the APC, if we have to be honest with ourselves, if presidential candidate is from the South, then the presidential candidate must come from the North. I think it's only fair. And I don't think anybody should select the APC for that reason. You cannot take from the South, because whether you like it or not, if you do this of the South here, the South is also of the South. So you have a presidential candidate that is only made from the South. But that's not fair, that's not fair. If you want to come from the South, I want to come from the North. But also, as logical as that sounds with all of the arrangement, because I mean, there's no words written. I mean, in the constitution of all of that logic and plan. That's why I said, it's only the end. We're talking of expedient enough. Yeah, and it's also backed by logic. Okay. Because it's over $2,000. Well, I mean, who's saying? I mean, this is not. Open up on Qatariya. Open up on Qatariya. I mean, let's also look at this, if we're talking about logic. So these things are not rocket science. It's not fixed. They're no, they're no exactly. So the point is, so what is wrong if you have, you know, a Southwestern candidate and a South Eastern candidate, if it's not cast and stone, if it's logic? I mean, who says that can not happen? Yeah, nothing, nothing. If you listen to me, I said it is a expedient, but what you consider is how to win the election. You need to vote from the North. If you take the South, if they're not allowed to feel excluded, and then I deny you that votes. You see, that's why I said, if we're not talking of what is right and what is wrong, we're talking of what is expedient. So you need to vote from the North. And if you exclude them, of course, if they're not allowed to vote, they're not allowed to give the vote, but they're not equal. We're not allowed to. And we're not going to take a running away from the South. So you have to advise them. You take all these things and not buy them. These things are going to decide, they take to you your choice of a running mate. Okay, like- You know, it's not that scary. I mean, I mean, open up on Katerra. You have made a very, you have made your points a very strong point that you have reason or made right there. But let's also look at it now differently, but the same issue on the Daily Independent. It talks about, you know, the consent of having a Muslim-Muslim ticket. And that's what it is, because if you look at the not, I mean, how much of, you know, a Christian candidate are you going to get from there? We cannot take these things out because all of these factors always influence the electoral process, whether or not we like it or not. Religion has always been top on the notch and you can't take out, you know, you know, zoning as well. I mean, the zone, different zones. But here you have also raising concern about a Muslim-Muslim ticket saying, hey, this is going to be chaotic and that's not what we want for our country. Now, also bearing in mind that in 2015, apparently, maybe we probably would have had the former governor of Lagos State running as vice president with President Muhammad Bari at the time, but it wasn't going to work because it was going to be a Muslim-Muslim ticket. I also remember that, you know, in 1993, as long as we're celebrating, you know, the democracy day, the Biola ticket was a Muslim-Muslim ticket and it felt like Nigerians accepted that. So I'm just wondering how this thing's going to play out. Eventually, if you have a political party tilting towards a Muslim-Muslim ticket, what do you think the outcome will become or will be? Merci. Yes, please. 1993 is a different scenario together. OK. One, Nigerians were in a hurry to get out of the matrices room. So anything, democracy was acceptable. Really? What is what? Because a lot of people infuse the transition process of Babangida who kept shifting the date. There's a hardback. There's a hardback. I think it's on your end. Because everything is needed here. I can hear you clearly. Just go ahead. Nigeria, good. It's better now. It's better now. Yeah. So I think we can shift in the dates. They will join us. They'll shift in the dates. You understand? I'll say a lot of people doubted the transition process. And so we work on anything that was going to alter in democracy. That is different. Number two, the popularity of Biola has is difficult for any Nigerian people to have such a population and acceptability. The focus was on Biola itself, not even on Kennedy. Well, I haven't said that. We have been so far away right now in this country that it will be full-hearted to ignore the sensitive nature of religion in our politics. The Muslim-Muslim candidates definitely will sell doom for any party, just as a Christian Christian candidate will sell doom for any party. Because you know there is a cold war whether we accept it or not between the Muslims and the Christians. There is a cold war in this country whether we agree on national telling or not. Muslims watch Christianity, John Day's eyes. The Christians also watch Muslim-Muslim's eyes. And that is why Khan is making that statement that it will not accept the Muslim-Muslim candidate. We cannot pretend that this is a good thing. They break it. And then the problem is going to happen because the secular is a Muslim from the south. I'll leave you talking about Christian from the north. That Christian from the north will not be accepted by non-Muslims just the way a Muslim from the north will be accepted. So how many votes will the Christians bring to the table? So there is a conundrum. It's in a fish. I'm talking about two people right now. As people have a better chance if they move them from the north. They can take any South American from the south. South American for them to not be Christians. So I think it's definitely not going to have that problem. The problem I think is going to have that is we will bring more votes and value to his election. That's the problem. That's why there are a couple of quora and weekend. But in the case of Tunibu, most Muslim-Muslims who are prominent and can have value to his election are Muslim. And if you get the Muslim-Muslim of God, that's a problem in me. It's going to be catastrophic politically. I can't tell you that. Because most Christians will not even vote for him. I can't tell you that. From the south, most of them. If I cost him that election, then from the north, how many Christians are Muslim or Christian that will vote for him? So they're not going to vote for him. That's what they will do. So he's in a fish. Right now, I pray, God will grant him the grace to scale through this order. So are you saying that Nigerians will choose competence over religion? Or, you know, they would choose religion over competence? Let us not deceive ourselves with the issue of competence. You have competence to put in every zone. You have them. You have competence. If you don't give up on the Southeast, don't give up on people who are over that are not giving up on the South-South. You have them also in the North. You have competence to put all over. Now, from before, you will choose. And when you're choosing, you consider certain things. Competence, that's why there's somebody that will add value. I don't summarize it. Somebody that will bring books, number one. Somebody that is intelligent and competent, that you might seek. The number one man to succeed. These are all the valuable things you have to consider. So when people say competence, it is all inclusive. And you have them in every zone. You have them in every state. You have them in every state. Also, just as you were actually putting out your thoughts and the analogy you made reference to the fact that in 1993, the difference is that Nigerians were in a hurry to just get out of the military era. Yeah, they were hungry for it. But are you sure that was the case? Or it was a case of acceptance? It was a case where, for the very first time, Nigerians would put down their religious sentiment and decide to embrace competence and capacity. Yes, that is. You know, I told you, if you listen carefully, Maki, I said it's the fundamental of issues. Not just one, I said it. I said competence, acceptability, which is legitimacy, popularity and so on. Yeah, they were all considered and brought together. And after that time, Nigerians were helping for civilian rule or democratic rule. That is the case. And two, the first ones, you are not as accentuated as they are right now. We didn't have terrorism at that point. You were at the head of Nigerian committee suicide and so on. So the situation is like this thing. Now, Nigerians are being sensitized to be a quality of their efficiency of loneliness. That is the problem we have in this country. And when you are in politics, this is also considered. Why do you have people shouting in the town of the north, in the town of the east, in the town of the west, in the town of the south? In 1992, we didn't have that. So the situation is different. You know, Kataria, many thanks for being part of the breakfast this morning. We are out of time and we would definitely love to show you thoughts and more interesting headlines as we proceed in the course of the week. Thank you so much for being part of the show this morning. Do have a fantastic evening. All right, then. That's the size of the press this morning. I hope you had a great time. Let's take a break and tell you what happened today in history. We'll be right back with the breakfast.