 public comment Okay, so you must be calm Pull the seat up Yeah, we're ready Even from calm Oh, man. I'm sorry. I have to look at here. So anybody there for public comment, okay Can you hear me? Can you hear me? We can hear you. Okay? Okay, good Okay, so everybody read the letter from column. Okay Yeah, so I'm just here to advocate a person for you know To thank the select board first and foremost for the improvements that were done a few years back on Brown Hill Road That section of road is holding up really nicely. And I just worry about Future degradation from erosion from the top portion of the road Our neighbors are currently in the process of removing a bank and trees to help widen the road I'm gonna allow some sunshine through so that should help out with mitigating some of the Potential thought and mud season that we face this year where the road became impassable So I would love, you know, if it's possible in future years to see some improvements to the road specifically drainage and Potentially some culverts that are beginning to fail Just here to advocate for that. I know that the town's funds are limited But hopefully in improving the property values up there. We can increase some tax revenue for the town There are a few people who are Improving their home sites currently and hoping to build here in the near future. So more traffic on that road is Gonna lead to it, you know deteriorating faster. Mm-hmm. Okay Today And That's amazing, thank you Sasha every little bit else So we're just you know a young family in Vermont. It's very happy to be here and planning to stay here raise our kids and That it is so we'd love for it to be a safe place and have them prevent there ever be an emergency to be able to have access for for trucks and crews that would have to be there Okay Sure You Is that a group B class for a room? Or is it a group A? Do we know that? Yeah, you know, we really need to pull that that whole That may have to be done Well, it's in my group B is what it currently is turning out It says these roads are determined to be not Greedable by town equipment. That's why I was wondering And if they're doing work up there, yeah, you gotta sort of redact that or do something right? I Think we have to really look at that especially since we're taking a look at Legal trials and everything. I think it's a good good time Yeah The whole road is class 4 there were substantial improvements done back in 2019 some grant funds And that portion of the road is in excellent condition The road hasn't been looked at for reclassification since 2013 and it has done through a name change since then Some of the old documentation would be Jacob's road, right? Okay Certainly, yeah, it's like things are gonna be improving for us. That's great We're greatly appreciate it and let us know what we can do to help. Okay, great Appreciate it I Alright, thanks Okay, so Stephanie's to be re-appointed for tree For a fire warden Okay Any discussion on it, okay all in favor of Keeping Stefan as far as far would say hi Thank you, Stefan not a problem. I look forward to continuing on what I've been doing. Okay, great And then the LCT brought some to new insurances to Sharon's attention this is a life insurance and Since you're the guru with that stuff It's 150 something per person for ten thousand dollars a year Pick up the first part for an order Say Shawn wanted to get 50,000 edition. Mm-hmm. It would open up of option Okay, and then there's also doing pet owners and checks Okay, now this is through National services, so that has nothing to do with the LCT or anything. No, but they're it's going through the Seven McKenzie Yes Right and then this would be under the town entity and It would be an option So this would be a voluntary Okay, I feel more comfortable having a full word That's increasing benefits To do this to like we get dog insurance or something As it's like well, no, it's really for the employer. Yeah Sandbid Okay, so Yeah, it's for the only winter sand from Barron's gravel pit in Bolton To our sample contracts for four thousand dollars of three-quarter inch winter sand at five seventy-five I Make the motion that we Go with the Is that typically what it was in So we uh, it's up a little bit from last year, but it's still a very reasonable number considering Inflation and everything right okay Okay Fronting the town As a vision, right We're just right they still do the, they'll still do what, the insurance and stuff like this, so I'll have to do that. They were going to, they were going to come in after the, an hour after the library closed it or something. This is in July, I'm not sure. Yeah. I thought I saw it. Yeah. But they would, you know, coordinate with the library hours. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah. I think that's the problem. So all the, oh, so it discounted me. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll hold that we provide, as it was done, youth environmental program discount and rent in the town hall. So we would do it like at the residence rate or something, you know? Yeah. This is not what we usually do. Second. Discussion? One favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Okay. So we go there. Drag and purchase. Three year long. Five year long. Three year fixed rate is 3.35. Five year is 3.85. What was that one? What was that one again? It should be the five year. Five. All right. Now we have this, another one here. Front page. Okay. So it's like the three year is 2.69. And the five year is 2.99. Okay. So this is the ones that I had read. So these are from community. And those are the better ones. Yeah. When do we have to do this? I think as soon as we can. I was trying to get it. Okay. Get it delivered this week. Okay. Wow. I think we can decide on something. Yeah. And. And what do you think about the term? I think we talked about three years. Hopefully the track is going to last longer than three years. Right. Step on. We'll go longer than three years. Oh yeah. Sure will. Okay. I don't know. I know that. It was a little bit different. The warranty. Just because it's a commercial account. So I'm not sure what the warranty is. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So make that motion that we go with the community. Bank for financing the tractor a three year term at 2.69%. Second. Second. And any more discussion. All in favor of that. Say aye. Aye. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So make that motion that we go with the community bank. For financing the. Tractor. Three year. Term at 2.69%. Second. Okay. That's it. Okay. Callie. You have something. Not much I think. And looking at kind of all of the issues that are coming off class four roads. Maybe we need to have something in zoning that really clearly lays out what the town does what the town doesn't do. For people coming in and buying them and. Right. And also the trails that they understand. Really. We. Don't have that. Right now we just have we have the. You know the. The policy class for policy. There is a policy in zoning that describes them going in front of the PRP though. If their property does not a button class one two or three. So in that section I think I believe just offering rate 4.1. Right. But. Talking to the DRV last week. They have not seen. Too many. Of these. People getting. Permits for being off those classifications of roads. So it's also important probably for the select board to follow up with the zoning. In the DRV to find out how can they're not doing their due diligence. Possibly. And. Seeing how come the DRV is not seeing more of these individuals because as statute states. And also as zoning states that they need to go in front of the DRV. So I mean the processes are in place. It may be clarified a little better because. It doesn't say the access there just that their land has to a button. A class one two or three. You know they're accessing it from a class four or legal trail. Access. Well that's a reply for a curb cut. Driver cut. Well you can get a curb cut on a legal trail class four. So that should be part in that part of the flag. Because I also think they're a lot of. If you're getting a curb cut on a class four road or a trail. Well then you have to do boat, boat, boat, boat. And there are also a lot of camps. That are not supposed to be full time residences. Being utilized as. Well again zoning states that you can't have a camp. You can't stay in it more than a hundred and eighty days. In a year. But there's no like. Sort of penalty. If you do. That is. Not going to stop somebody from going longer or living there full time. And that also gets in a different tax rate. So if you live. That's true. This is Denise McCarty. I'm attending as part of the public. And I did submit public comment to the select board. And at the zoning. So the April 18th select board meeting. I submitted. I submitted. Verbal comment. And written comment. And I submitted. Written and verbal comment. To the zoning committee meeting. That occurred after the select board meeting, I think it was April 20th around. Legal trails because my house. I was in the city. In 1996. And so. The idea that was just mentioned about having zoning. And having specific. Zoning. Or some kind of ordinance around. Class four. And legal trail maintenance. And that was specifically in my public comments. On April 18th and April 20th. Because I don't have any legal authority to tell my neighbors who destroy the road. That they have to fix it. Or that they're damaging it or they should put gravel. And repair it. And so, you know, I can be the nicest neighbor and ask politely, but I can't enforce it. And so, you know, when. My neighbor destroyed the legal trail and neither of us could get to our houses. And I'm the only full-time resident off of the legal trail. And I had to walk to my car walk from the turnaround to my house for four weeks straight. Like, um, you know, I don't have any authority. Over the road that leads to my house. So that's all I was going to mention. Okay. And certainly you did make some very good points and suggestions. And I think we're still going to be reviewing. Do you have anything to add about this? Well, we, uh, Denise did. Talk to the zoning committee. I actually had to live on this off the same road. It borders my property, even though I don't use it. To get to my house. And, um, I think the zoning. I'm sorry. The planning commission is willing to. Uh, To consider. Amendments. Uh, as you may know, we are in a process to develop a large number of amendments for. Hopefully for approval at the next town meeting. And I think. Ideally we would be able to add something in that. Time frame. I was going to talk to Tom to see if that's actually what you guys prefer that we do. Uh, Clear. You know, if that's what you'd like, we will proceed that way. Okay. Yeah. I'll work on the select board and. The plan. It's also not encouraged to. Reclassify. These, uh, These roadways legal trails. It's very much encouraged not to because of. We just barely had a tree removed on more town. That was quite sketchy today. That's been there for almost a week and a half, two weeks. So it makes it, uh, More of a burden. On taxpayers. And, uh, You know, it's. It's there's many papers written on. Saying that it's, uh, Not encouraged to upgrade. These, uh, Legal trails or class four roads, Which would be a classification of. Three. Most likely, which means the town has to maintain it. Right. And also then there's also like up on Cobb Hill. Um, or legal trail one. That's a class two wetland. And the zone, The select board. I hope. They take that into consideration because any upgrades to that. Legal trail way. Could possibly potentially. Be devastating to the wildlife around and also to the wetland itself. And we have to meet regulations on our current. Classifications of roads. One, two and three. We don't get state funding. Correct. So it's good. I'm just saying is we put ourselves in a situation. Creating more class three roads where people can build off and do Things such as that. I mean, it's quite risky to be living off these class four Roads. And legal trails. For all the public of more town. And it shouldn't be allowed. And current zoning says that. Without going in front of the DRV and it's not happening. It's just, uh, I don't want to see our taxpayers. Paid more and more and more. When some of our roadways needs some care as it is our regular class roadways. That's, thank you. Well, we certainly. Start always been in. The situation of not upgrading. Roads. For any time in the past, you know, I mean, uh, the last one, I think that we had any serious talk about was. More town heights. And, uh, because it was an association, it was, um, basically, if they wanted to. Pay for upgrading and so on, but, you know, bottom line is. It's a lot different these days to, to, um, Upgrade to a class three. I mean, there's a lot of things you have to have in a class. The road. None of our class three roads have. All right. Yeah. So, you know, so all the existing classroom roads are. Grandfather, but, um, the requirements. For class three. Mission has a culvert and road evaluation, you know, that they have to do every three years. And that would be part of that, you know, clean streams, you know, streams and rivers. Compact that more town is already committed to. And asked to follow those rules and that gets expensive too. Yeah. You know, it all adds up to these price tags. And even if we had a bunch of houses out these class four roads, it may or may not make up for the difference. For the upkeep of just that one road. We're talking millions of dollars a mile. So, you know, it's not cheap. So I just hope that's in consideration. And, uh, I would just push up the select board and, uh, further look into how zoning a lot of these houses are that are being created. Just happened since we've had zoning on this issue. You know, 2018. So the gentleman was just here. This house was built in 2018. Right. And that's a big house out there. And it's treacherous to get up there. I drove up there today and it was all I could do to get there. I mean, when people, you know, someone buys a house on a class four that they know, do they know that it's like a seasonal road or that it's not, that it's not out of town? Well, that's my thing is I don't, I think there are people who build on these roads and they know there are people who know, like the upkeep, what needs to be done. And they do it. And then I think there are people who have heard things or see different things and then have this expectation or don't know or don't fully understand it or say the emergency vehicle is the big thing. You can't get an emergency vehicle. They're going to get an emergency vehicle there. Trust me. I know I've had someone die on the class four road. Like they're going to get an emergency vehicle there. They got it there. They're going to get it there. That's a thing, but just like being really clear about what the expectations are, what the town is going to do and what the homeowner is going to do. Exactly. And just being really clear. The other thing I've noticed, sorry, that was great points with emergency vehicles. I mean, emergency vehicles came to find my house and I live on the main class four road. So then the next, just to finish with that. Then the next thing I want is a trail. I mean, that's like, if you choose, I mean, a trail is like totally with the town. There's no upkeep at all. It's not even a town highway. Right. It's a trail. And instead of that from the state, right? Well, it's the state and it's like one. Yeah. But it goes back. Yeah. It's on record with the state. Yeah. I mean, it goes back to early 1900s or something. No, it goes back for the 80s. Act 178 goes back into the 80s, about 84. 84. 84 is when all this became statute and became, like, select board's responsibility. Like Cawville, where that became a legal trail in 1987. That was a class four road before. Yeah. I know that people that bought the land off of the class four road before my driveway, just saw that the legal trail was well maintained, which was because of me. And that I maintained it because I was the only one living there full time. But it was my understanding that they purchased land thinking that the town. Maintained it. And I think that's how it was presented. During the sale process was, oh, this is maintained by the town. Little did they know because they didn't talk to me until after the sale was done, that it's me. Maintaining it with my. Equipment. And it's not the town doing it. So. It's, it's just the, a communication piece. I think that during the sale process of land off of the legal trail. It's. It's being presented. Not in a very truthful way that the town's going to maintain it and they don't. And that's, I think some people that that's the exact thing is where, so like, does it need to come in and land? If the ends being sold does then not. Well, that becomes sort of another responsibility. And the other thing is our current road forming or road commission. And I think everybody needs help in this area is they need to learn how to read a, read a VTrans map. A VTrans map is the official map to use when identifying these legal trails, class board roads, class one, two and three. That is the official document. And that's the official document. Thanks to the select board signing a certificate every year by me, by February 10th. So the select board, this is your responsibility to know where all your class board legal trails are. And that's part of why you're doing some of the survey. And you don't want to end up like my parents where they live for 60 some odd years, almost for 50 some odd years. And then all of a sudden the select board says there's a legal trail goes straight across their garage that's been there since the 1800s. And then it becomes a lawsuit for 12 years that still hasn't been settled to this day. You know, but the other thing is the more important thing is that it's been brought up to is financial institutions are getting loans on these houses. And that puts them at great risk because I've been up to Denise's place. It's all I can do to get up there with my truck. If a fire truck ever makes it down there, it could get totaled. There's no place to turn around. It's very dangerous. So this is putting everybody at risk because anybody that owns property here in more town, a house and they have a fire and the fire trucks are wrecked because it went up one of these legal trails of Class 4 roads. That's an issue. And we might not even be insured as a town for that fire truck going up some of these places. So I mean, it's very risky. And that's why you see me attending these meetings quite a lot, especially revolving around legal trails in Class 4 roads. Our past zoning administrator, the day he let go, whatever happened to him, he brought this up that day. He brought it up at the meeting that this point will become to tuition. It's going to happen. So I mean, it's, we have condoning is all I want to say we have statutes that clearly state what's responsible not responsible. And I have read those and I read those on a daily basis. Every single day of the year I read those. And I just don't see how this select board in this town doesn't understand that. It's really kind of irritating to me to see it in my attitude with this town. It's been very devastating to my family and myself. And that's all I need to say. I mean, I think that's, we've hit every point. So. Thank you for your input. Well, thank you for letting me speak, John. I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. Okay, so. We've got some work to do. We've got some work to do. Okay. And then what is the whole thing with fundraisers? Because somebody on Herringbrook Road had this humongous, not humongous, but big enough party where most of a good section of Herringbrook was singling on a Sunday night. And I kind of got the feeling that people who lived neighboring to them didn't know about it. But I mean, we're talking full party. Was there over 100 people? I don't know. There might have been. I went up there actually because they, I got a report of a, a large fire with the fire danger. I went up there to investigate it. And they, the fire ended up being fine, but I would say there was probably a hundred people there. And they had a bar, which I wasn't sure about because I thought you needed a liquor or something like that. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't pay that close attention. I just know that there was official bartenders with a whole, a whole bar stack behind them. I didn't see whether money was being exchanged or not. I guess. I mean, I've thrown parties in the past with, you know, a bar or something, you know, but we're not taking any money or anything. Well, we have zoning on having a caging over a hundred people. Oh, and less. So, I mean, you got to get permit for that. Yeah. And they haven't let any of them. I don't know. But when there's, when you're sitting there for 15 minutes watching like 20 cars go up the road, you're like, what's going on? Is there any police officers called? State police, or anything? I don't think so. I don't think it got, like, out of control. It was just the, the road got past the, the access to the road. Yeah. They were, they were definitely, that was not part of our family. Yeah. So. Add that to the list. The list. Yeah. When's the next one? I know. Why weren't we invited? We already got the road. I don't think that's it. Okay. Okay. For now. Okay. Don, what are you going to do? Well, I'll just to say that, we got a crew out, came on the set. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your final time was still there, that did the rest of the jobs. That was a goodbye to those. Mm-hmm. So hopefully I don't have, you know, I won't give that a spur. I was thinking of taking a picture with someone standing next to you know. And then we can see it here from the scale, Let's see if they broke something, but No, we got. We got. The maples, we put some fertilizer on the maples, but I was going to talk to Martin this, but then maybe to come and look as well, is that we should make like a tree cell around it, because you know, where the branches are, it's usually on the roots are, right? And so what happens is that vehicles and trucks are driving, you know, if we made a little box around it, we might be able to encourage those vehicles, there's still three that are hanging in and one that's died. So that's the next step. Okay, good. Thanks for doing that. No, they look good. I don't have anything. So I wasn't sure I was talking and I think the guys and myself at the highway department, it's getting to be that time of year. We're hoping for the go ahead to switch to our four 10 hour days. And part of the reason that I personally like the 10 hour days is it gives me Fridays to work on things like the E 911 stuff and it gives me a day during the week to do that kind of work during regular business hours, if you will. And I wasn't sure where we stood with that, if we could do it or not. We usually start, don't we usually start like June 1st, right after Memorial Day? Memorial Day? Yeah. I wasn't sure. I just, I know that it's usually after mud season and we're there and I didn't know when it was. Right. Okay. Because I know it's getting, it's lighter in the morning and it's lighter later. So they've got more time to start working on some of those summer projects too. Right. Okay. That's another thing to talk about when we have the full book. Okay. Thanks, Evan. Thank you. Okay. Let's, let's take a look at the zoning administrator. Patrick is here and David and Deborah here also from the planning commission. So let's, let's hear from you folks. Sure. I can start. You can hear me? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So Patrick applied a couple of weeks ago. We had a communications issue and I finally caught up with him. I think that was last Friday or maybe last Thursday and we had a long discussion. I think he's seems pretty well qualified. I'm going to let Patrick tell you about himself. I'm not sure what, I did forward some information to Tom actually. Does that, did everybody get that on the spot? Yeah, I read it. Okay. Yeah. So I guess I think he's very well qualified. He expresses a long, an interest in doing this long term. I had a couple of concerns that I've talked to him about. One is whether it might raise conflict of interest issues with this current job, which he can tell you about and I'm hopeful we can resolve that. And that was really the main issue actually. So I think that he does need training and we'll need to pay him while he's getting training. I think we can get help from CVRPC for that. I've talked to Tom about that too, but it seems like if he's really willing to do this for the long term, we should be willing to invest in it. Provided that everybody agrees. So Introducing Patrick. Yeah, here you go. Yeah, it's nice to meet you all. Yeah, it's been a kind of tough time getting nailed down with you all. Sorry, I've been having some email issues, but yeah, basically, yeah, I work for the state. I work for the state as a regional floodplain manager, legal analyst. So I have been with them since September. I became full-time with them in the past couple weeks or so. So I guess, yeah, full-time with the state, which is great. So we're still divvying out what my exact location will be. So David kind of spoke to the conflict of interest piece there for a moment. And that's kind of where I was a little hesitant at first for being the ZA for Moortown. So if there were some, I'm in floodplain management. So if I'm doing something that's floodplain related in Moortown, I might have Washington County as kind of like my baby. So that might be one of those instances, and I talked to my boss a day about this, is like, if we have a floodplain issue, that might just be something I defer to somebody else in my agency. But that's really the only sort of like conflict of interest we both identified for this moving forward. So I work with all the different municipalities throughout Vermont. I kind of, yeah, I work with everybody and have a lot of training in different places, work for federal agencies, state agencies, nonprofits have kind of done it all. I love local state government. I love working with local municipalities. I'm interested in this because I have, I'm in law school right now as well, so I like to be busy apparently. And I want to know more about how like little small municipalities in Vermont work. And so the zoning piece of this is really important for me for my own like job growth and my own personal growth. And also just for, I just, in general, I just, I live out here, I live in Ducksbury, Waterbury. So I like to be a part of my town, part of my community. I hear everything that's going on with all your people's concerns and voices for this kind of stuff. I'm a big runner, a big biker. I use all these trails. I do all these things. And so all this stuff directly impacts me and affects me on a day-to-day basis too. So that kind of stuff is kind of what impacts me and kind of makes me really passionate about this kind of work in general. So in general, that's a little bit about me. I just, I'm here. I am happy to feel any questions you all have. I hope I'm moderately qualified. I think it's a nice thing for David to say. I don't know if I'm truly qualified, but you know, I'm here to fill the questions and I'm a big learner. I love learning new things and I like working with people. So that's kind of my thing. And so hopefully we get to have some more conversation about that moving forward. So that's me. Okay, excellent. Well, I'm not sure if we've ever had a zoning administrator who was perfectly qualified for the positions. I mean, it's a learn as you go type of thing. So for what you say, I think that we would be pretty qualified in my mind today. So I mean, do you see yourself, I mean, getting and taking the job and learning the ropes and being part of the community and all that. But I mean, do you see yourself doing it in the long run? I mean, you know, like a five-year plan? Or I mean, you know, it's just a couple of years or how do you sort of envision it? Yeah, that was one of the, yeah, I mean, Not even breaking up. Yeah, we lost your Patrick for a minute. Yeah, we're not, we're not hearing you. Yeah, I lost you as well. Okay. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can. Yeah, I'm also hearing that break up on your end too. So I can't tell what's me or you. I guess that's, it's a hard question. It's like the question of like, oh, where do you see yourself in five years? It's hard when you're like in your young 30s. But I mean, ultimately, like I live here, like this is my, this is my place. I love Vermont. I like bought a house here and like I want to be working for the state full time for a long time. I want to be like working with municipalities full time. Like, would I want to be your zoning administrator for five years? Sure. Like I want to say that. Yes, absolutely. I'm invested in my local community, like 100%. So if that's something you feel like you want to provide the training and all the everything you have to offer, like I can also offer myself to you as well. So five years is a hard, hard question, though. I will say that that's Thomas who just asked me that question. Because I just don't really know that number, but I mean, you know, I just, yeah, yeah, like all of a sudden, you know, a year goes by and now you're in the groove. But of course, no one can read the future. You know, right. Yeah, I will, I will, yeah, I will say like I working for the state I understand like the turnover of ZAs, like, I think Patrick, if you shut your video off, it's not going to take as much broadband. Like, so the switch over. Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. We can hear you now. Is this better? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. Good. I'm glad there's so many other people to help me out here. So I'll just say that, yeah, working for the state, I get it. Like, ZAs switching over is awful. Like it's just hard for work. It's hard for us to do our jobs for the state. It's hard for you all to do your stuff at the local municipal level. Like I get that 100%. So yeah, like I want to say like, yeah, I want to commit to more town. I want to commit to my local community for sure. So I'm here just start with the state. I don't plan on leaving anytime soon working for the government, you know, it's pretty good working for the government. So yeah, I'm happy to hang out as long as necessary and do the things that are necessary too, because yeah, this is my community as well. And these are my problems too. And I want to also help the community fix those problems. So whenever that entails, I'm there. I like to ask a question, the select board, which I think is for Patrick's information as well as my own. I I guess, and this is related to the other concern that I did have, which was, he's a very busy guy. He likes to keep himself really busy. He's got a full time job now with the state. And he's also working on his law degree, which is more flexible, I know. But I'm wondering whether I think we advertise the position is about 10 hours a week. But I'm wondering whether we should think of that as a steady 10 hours a week. We should think of that as some weeks more and some weeks less and whether Patrick's going to have to face situations where he's got, you know, five permit applications coming in. He's got to deal with all of them in a 30 day period and he's going to be overwhelmed or what I don't really don't know what the past experience has been. Well, one of the problems is that you may go several weeks without anything and then all of a sudden one in a given week, you might have two or three and so on. So I guess there needs to be enough flexibility so that, you know, if that happened where we're floating with a number of them, he'd be able to handle it in the time of the matter. So I guess, Patrick, question for you is, is that going to be a tough thing for you to manage and keep in mind that, you know, when somebody submits a permit that's complete, there's a fixed length of time which we have to respond. Yeah. Right. There's a 30 day window for most applications. I would say no, it's not a huge deal for me. I mean, it overlaps a lot with my current job. So I think, I think no, I wouldn't have a big issue with it at all. So I think I pretty much said it's eight to ten hours a week, but it's pretty flexible. Yeah. Does eight to ten hours seem like doable, Patrick? No, yeah. I mean, it sounds great. Like, I mean, I would say less is more, but, you know, if you have ten hours or more and you have a few projects coming up that might take a little bit more time, you know, that's okay too, not a problem. I have this uncanny liking of being busy. So it's all, it's okay for me. I like being busy. What would you think the training period would be, you know, like maybe a couple of weeks with someone sort of getting familiar with the zoning docs and, you know, maybe sit through a couple of applications or something? Or what would you envision a training to be? Yeah, I guess I would defer to you on that. I don't fully know how long it would take to understand the zoning. I mean, more town's small. I know that mostly like single family housing zoning applications, some multifamily stuff. Again, the floodplain stuff, assuming that I become the floodplain manager for Washington County would have to be deferred to somebody else. This is a conflict of interest thing, but I mean, a couple of weeks seems fine. If I have, as David mentioned, like a place to come down there, like see people kind of be in person, that'd be nice. Like I think there's an office he mentioned or something. That kind of stuff helps with training a lot. So I can ask somebody immediately and not have to send an email and wait like two days, you know? So, right. So a couple of weeks would be great and that could be pretty flexible with that too. So, Tom and I talked about this some and we, as you know, Claire Rock of CVRPC is working as their acting commissioner right now. And I think that he could start with studying the zoning regulations, the current regs. I don't think that's a particular full week, but just to study them. But I think he's really going to have to cut his teeth on actual applications and, you know, maybe initially working with Claire, where she's in charge and then having him drop it off to him with her being available to back him up. We proceed like that. There's going to be some learning here. That would be definitely very good. Yeah. So we work with the RPCs pretty closely. So I don't know Claire specifically, but our RPCs are like our best friend, honestly, with the state. They do a lot of great work with you all throughout the state. So I would definitely hook up with her and, yeah, just kind of get the crash course through her and kind of see how she runs through applications day to day. That would be really helpful for me. And also, just I'll probably work with her in other capacities throughout my other job. So that sounds like a good plan for me at least. Okay. Patrick, since you're here, a quick question. Are you replacing Jerome Gord for Supreme Management? Am I what? I'm sorry. Are you replacing Jerome Gord for the State of Vermont for the government? I don't think we're going to see this. I am not. I'm not. Okay. Thanks, Patrick. Yeah. Patrick, would you be available to come back to like our next meeting when we have a full board here? Absolutely. Okay. Is that every month or every week, every two weeks? I'll be in two weeks. I talked to Tom about trying to get through the hiring process so we could start at the beginning of June. May 16th is our next meeting. What did you say, David? Sure. Tom and I talked about the hiring process and my goal was to try to get through it so he could start on June 1st if we're going to hire him. That seems possible if you meet with him in two weeks and make a decision. It seems to work from my perspective. I don't know that works for you still, Patrick. No, that works for me. I'm happy to meet also in person too. I mean, I'm up in Duxbury right now, so I'm only like five minutes away so I can come to the town office. That's fine. Okay. Sounds like a plan. All right. Thank you very much, Patrick. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me here. I'm just going to meet you all. Yeah. Okay. Sit here. See you all later. Okay. Thanks, David. Debra, did you have anything else to add? I did not. Thankfully, David asked the only question and expressed the only concern that I had. Okay. Very good. All right. Thank you. Thank you, David, and thank you, Patrick, and thank you, select board. Good night. Okay. Good night. Good night. Okay. So, interest rates being talked about, and then we have the minutes, 418. I make a motion that we approve the select board minutes of 418-2022. That's second. New discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. Okay. There you go for the minutes. And so, we're up to new business, small business? We only got one of the old business, I think, on 80 Step One. I'm just still here with us. How did we, we still got the tanker truck on the radar? We do. So, I have reached out to a couple of the manufacturers to kind of just start working on what their projections are for money and such. And I'm working on a RFP, if you will, on what I'm looking for in a truck. So, it's going to be apples to apples when I get some budgetary numbers to bring to you guys for November election, hopefully. And I'm actually meeting with one of the manufacturers at a neighboring fire station to check out a truck they got that's similar to what I'm looking for and work through it with them. Great. Okay. Good. Thank you. Thank you. You have taken it. Anything else? Anything else on the list? Where are we at with potentially surveying the couple trends that we are looking at for this year? I talked to Steve Frazier with Vermont Survey. There are two survey, there's one survey that's been recorded and then there's one that's not recorded. I'm working with him to find out if we can touch on get that one recorded because I guess it helps with figuring out where the trail leads. It's a little bit preface. Which trail is that? That's the one that... Up here, eight? The one that raised eight. You can do it here. Yeah. Because I think also if we're putting stone and things into that trail, we need to know where it is and it needs to be passable because I've heard multiple times that there are some blocks up there that you cannot get through. So again, all this stuff is in there. This is on a trail or on a fast forward? That's a trail. That's a trail. That's a trail number eight, I believe it is. Yeah. But again, all this is in statute. We're supposed to keep it so that you can go through it? I've heard multiple times that there are cement blocks up there. All this cement? From totally different people. Yeah. Oh, I didn't say if you say that. That doesn't seem like someone could do that. No, they can't do that. And that's a glad there's slick words involved with that because you're not allowed to block a trail so you're not allowed to slick words approval. So we've got the survey team working on that. Good. So we're just going to do that one, and then actually if we do another trail, it's that hour, do you know what I mean? You could get upwards of 30 grand to do one legal trail, I'm telling you. So what we put in the budget, it wasn't going to touch it. So we're kind of doing it in those tests. Yeah, because we only put five grand in budget. When I talked to him over the phone, he laughed and he said you can't not do a legal trail for $5,000, no way. Yeah, transit. Any other bold business or new business? Well, before we leave that, so is that what's going to end up happening? Well, first of all, to some day to actually get into the phones of the legal trail thing and survey, we're going to, as a town, we're going to have to put more money in the budget to actually to accomplish it. Yeah, we've got a lot of stuff at the trails and class forward. Yeah, I don't know why. I understand. There's a lot. Right. I am a little confused, though, because I don't think we came into a decision that we're defeated when you're going to do trail eight. I thought that was still a discussion to be had. As far as I know, that was that was the number one. And then number two was because you still need to get a quote for that, right? So you have a quote for that during that trail then? I mean like a quote for how much it would cost because the last meaning, you said you're getting a quote. So you get that quote. We go from rates. Yeah, I mean you just Break up the rates. That's the only one that you could get anybody to respond to the RFP. Well, there wasn't that when I talked to Steve himself directly, there wasn't a direct measure of the overview of what the select order one is. So he just gave them the ribs. And so there wasn't sort of what the select word was asking for within these legal trails. So, I mean, I just don't want to keep going down this road. We have all confused with this legal trail stuff. I mean, if you're going to do a legal trail, state you're going to do one. I mean, just for future reference. And get a, I don't know what the abbreviation you said it is, RFP. Response for proposal. Yeah, response for proposal. Get a written request for proposal. Proposed not to say, oh, what's your rate for an hour of the rate? Because when I talked to Steve directly about another legal trail issue, there's no way he would even touch it. He didn't look at it for $5,000. And then the other thing is, is Steve properly insured because the last time the town did this would rob towns and he did not have insurance period. For legal trail 17. So is he properly insured? And I want to know that. You know, I wonder if we need a lesson. Since this is going to be like, I mean, when I look at this map, it's quite a lot of trails, right? Yes. I mean, is this something like that we put out there, you know, on our, you know, on the question of proposal, it's multiple firms that, for, you know, all the trails and then we just get some big number and then we'll have to just sort of pick away at, you know, to say, okay, well, can you do these five, you know, just budget and it'll be a 10-year operation every year, you know, because it'll probably be some, you know, it'll be a big number. Well, I don't think anybody would do that because bottom line is you say, okay, we'll do this one in five years. Well, no, I don't think so. Well, I don't think so. Yeah. You know, let's keep in mind the last time they did this, it took 12 years. So, I mean, that also ties up a server for quite some time. Yeah. To be part of the processes to be able to, you know, be able to do these issues. And when talking to Steve, he has no experience in legal trails. You know, so, I mean, and the one on Cobb Hill, there's a surveyor that did a survey up there calling a class four brother and other surveys prior to this all say legal trip. And he had no experience with legal trails either. So, you know what other towns are doing? A lot of other towns gave up for legal trails back in 2015 and 2010. That was part of the processes. They gave them up, they just gave them to the land owners. Yeah, that's what happens, yep. But this is an issue that will be probably not going for quite some time. You know, this is going to be a difficult situation, I think, for a lot of people. It's somehow an easy to get resolved, and it may take a bunch of years. Yeah. And I'm here for a little very long, so. I don't know. Oh. We'll try. All right. So, I guess we finalize that around this week. So, I thought great boys are working on the legal course. That's good. May I ask a question? What trail? Is it that you've approved to improve? No, not to improve. It's just to survey. Basically, we need to know exactly where the trail goes, or is. Okay. I mean, that's one of the problems with the legal trails. It's, you know, over the years, their location has changed. It's, it's a real issue. Basically, complain that people are using their car. And so this. So the first step is to define where the trail is. I see. I think it goes from this class three road. To the legal trail. To the one we're talking about. Yes. It would be Ward, Brooke. Yeah. So it would be. I think it goes. If I remember from the mapping that I looked at it. A month ago now. It would go directly from Ward, Brooke and start legal trail is Kelly and it's what I just, I saw on our mapping. A few years old now. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Okay. Any other business. Okay. Move it. Second. Okay. Okay.