 All right. How's everyone doing? Are you ready for another great day of Ubukong? Yeah Welcome to the Ubuntu leadership panel. This is going to be a great hour Where you're gonna get some questions in and we're gonna we're gonna grill these wonderful people on what's going on in Ubuntu, right? So before we get started, I'm gonna introduce everybody. We've got a nice mixture of members of canonical as well as leaders in the Ubuntu community So first of all, I'd like to invite up to the stage I'm sorry to interrupt a small piece of housekeeping. Oh housekeeping before before we do the big thing and have the good time here with this You may have noticed that Dell is raffling off a beautiful XPS today So you have your raffle tickets. Do you not? The XPS will be raffled off here at the end of the session. Is that correct? I believe so. Yeah, okay Also, Nathan Haynes. We talked about his book earlier. It's a new book It's a great book on migrating to Ubuntu from other platforms That he has several copies is going to be raffling off and those will be raffled off in the session following when we schedule the un-session Conferences so with that, you know, Jonah Bacon and we'll let him introduce the panel. All right Let's do this. So first of all, I'd like to welcome to the stage Jose Ray who is a leader in the Ubuntu community Yeah, give him a big round of applause It's over there. Next up You all know him Nathan Haynes another great leader in the Ubuntu community We've also got Elizabeth K. Joseph who has been around Ubuntu for a long time in systems and automation engineer at HP and prize Some are familiar with this man the founder and leader of Canonical Mark Shuffleworth All right Next up Ollie Reeves an Ubuntu engineering leader at Canonical David Ponella the Ubuntu community team leader at Canonical who are missing Who are missing have we got everyone? We don't want him. Do we want him Daniel hold back from the community council? All right, we have a full compliment, right? I'm not missing anything. This is a big panel. We're missing anyone Okay. All right, so this is going to be we've got an hour panels at conferences usually suck Because you don't get a lot of discussion and people go on for a while So my goal here I've taken this goal as a moderator very seriously And my goal here is to make sure that we got plenty of discussion here and that we have people answering efficiently So panelists, I'm going to cut you off if you ramble on too long. So please keep it swift I've also been around Ubu Khan talking to various Ubuntu community members And I've been asking what you want to hear from the panel like what's on your mind? What's interesting to you? So we're going to do that We're going to also have some meet some be your questions part way through and then at the end We're going to have a quick fire round where we can just blast through some quick questions Okay Yeah. All right. So why don't we start here? We talk about Ubuntu and we've got this incredible convergent vision. We've got this incredible cloud vision orchestration vision But what does success look like? Why don't we start with mark? What to you to success in both the convergence side and the cloud side look to you? So those are two areas where I think there are waves of innovation still to be done And what I care about is that we make a community that brings that is open to people who have vision and Time and attention and skills and who want to essentially make the foundation layers for that for that innovation, right? Sometimes that's endpoints people actually want to do the thing that you know They want everyone to use directly sometimes it's enablement It's essentially making a platform that takes care of everything else so that the innovation can happen Does that answer the question? Yeah, it does Olly you you manage a big chunk of engineering like as from an engineering perspective What do you think of in terms of success? success for convergence is I think if the large user base of Ubuntu is going to use a System that's powered by mirror and running unity 8 on top of it and can use all those features that they're predominantly right now rolling out through the phone All right, and for our members of the community teams What do you all think I mean as members of who don't have to be paid to work on Ubuntu who do this voluntarily? What do you think of success? I can probably speak for all of us that success on the Convergence side will be when I don't have to bring my laptop to scale. I can just bring my phone and For me on the cloud side is when everything is in place so that if I'm making a snap I can work on it in the audience during a boring spit on my phone And then test on my laptop and deploy the cloud on the same device that that's that's Convergence success for me and cloud success for me Anyone else want to weigh in David I think as well in terms of community success is One we get the tribe and community of Developers of contributors who are passionate about the work that they're doing that they are as excited as we all are work every day on Ubuntu About the work that that we're doing and that they want to be part of it And that they want to really feel that they are making the project successful Yeah, there's one other thing that I want to weigh in on the convergence front Is that I think a lot of people haven't yet understood is that in the process of making the new Personal computing platform what we're one of the things we're really cleaning up is the is the security story, right? The way applications are delivered the way the way the relationship is between you your data and the Application vendor effectively is profoundly changing in that in the process So I can't wait to move my laptop to the new Framing of the new essentially snappy framing of a personal computer Simply because it'll give me a much more trustworthy platform, right? I have software in a box every piece of software in its And that will be guaranteed by the system in the way that in in a way that today's Ubuntu desktop just can't do right Today's Ubuntu desktop is from the same sort of era as Windows or every other sort of traditional operating system all the software sees everything right and That doesn't work in a world where we are very aggressively moving software on and off of our devices from all sorts of different places Where we have no real trust relationship with those ISVs, right? We only really trust the ISV for the data. We're feeding that application But we actually give that ISV access to all the data on our laptops So a lot of people might think you know do I really want a phone running Ubuntu? I've got a perfectly good phone as it is that's not the issue The issue is can we make a much better much safer much more productive desktop environment? Yes, we can and the work that we've done In unity 8 and in the conversion story is all of the foundations lining up for that So Daniel you've been you've been with Ubuntu now for pretty much since the beginning and I Think many of us would agree that the community over the course of those 10 years has changed it's adjusted Some critics would say the community is smaller these days in some areas and larger in other areas How have you how do you feel in your community position that the community is adjusted and shaped and changed over time? It has changed indeed especially in the development area it always was quite exclusive because We needed to trust you There were a lot of rules to be followed and I think this is getting much much easier nowadays Just yesterday I was talking to somebody and we snapped up their project in two minutes Which is which is great and that's going to be available over all form factors Like the store is making it much much much much easier to get your get your software included So I think we're taking taking the right steps And Liz you've also played a key leadership role in the Ubuntu community How do you feel like things have changed or evolved in your eyes? I mean it's definitely been a huge change Different different roles first of all in development has changed a lot as he said but also things like translations those used to be done Pretty much on the operating system itself But now if you look at the translations mailing list there are always calls going out for you know translate this thing on the phone Or translate this other app over here So it's a much more diverse team And I think it's drawing in different types of people than the ones who were just translating applications in the operating system directly There are also our parts that are kind of stalling So we have initiatives to do certain things and then maybe documentation is languishing a bit So there's a bit of work to be done as well to sort of revive some of the projects that went dormant for some reason And we have sort of a duty I think to make sure that they're getting attention and Getting the volunteers they need because we've simplified development a lot But there are other ways we can simplify documentation and other places in the project Great and Jose you you've helped newcomers come to Ubuntu quite a lot over the years How would you say the newcomer experiences because back in the early days of Ubuntu? I'll give you is a lot more complicated to get involved but these days we've got a lot of initiatives in place How would you describe that? Yeah, so I believe one or two years ago we launched community.org Ubuntu.com Which is a place where you can find all the information you need to start contributing to Ubuntu And this is something that's really helped us get new people into the community Especially because you can find everything you need to get involved with team Right ahead in just one page and the fact that you can just join an IRC channel or subscribe to mailing list and send yourself an email It's it's pretty encouraging for others to contribute because it's it's completely open So anyone can just go ahead and submit a patch if they find something they need to fix They just go ahead and submit a patch for that specific thing. They want to fix or in now We've got we've got Google code in we are just finishing Google code in its finishes. It's finishing next week And we've got a lot of high school students that are getting involved with the Ubuntu community By participating with short tasks and they are finding out that it's quite easy to Contribute with translated translations not actually translation, but the commutation Simply fixing simple things in the code and all these things and I think that's also a great new door to contributors It's being it's becoming way easier to contribute to Ubuntu in these in these days Thank you. Yeah. Oh go ahead Also mentioned if you if you go to community.ubuntu.com and find it if you find any problems with it find it lacking in any way It's all of us who maintain that site We're just humans who already know how to do all of this stuff So we'd really appreciate new eyes looking at that website and giving us feedback as to what we can improve and what we Need to be adding to that site Great now I want to throw this open to the whole panel if for one reason to awkward have an awkward moment where Someone wants to potentially answer first. What would you all say? has been the biggest accomplishment in the last 12 months and the biggest mistake and It has to be both. You can't just pick the accomplishment people In the interest of honesty, transparency, frankness, we're not gonna judge you all Yeah The rise of the ubukons in our community because I think been the most exciting thing for me There's been an ubukon. There's there was one here last year. There's this ubukon summit now There was an ubukon. I think in Germany, right? There was one in Florida. There was one that I went to in Lima with Jose These are until this one. They were completely community-run events really and they've been a huge huge Change in our community. That's been really good. It's been really fun being able to visit different ones and see fellow community members This past year I was on the community council and we dealt with some problems Slowly, I think we had some issues in the Kabuntu community and it took us a long time to turn around answers to the community It was because it was a hard problem that we were dealing with with them But we should have been quicker things sort of festered and that was that was a bad time I don't know how we can do it better, but we haven't you know fresh blood on the community council I'm hoping That things will change I want to weigh on on what what Liz talked about there So I think there's three kinds of leadership like this is a leadership leadership panel is indeed and I and I love The idea that in a bunch who were giving people the opportunity to find leadership within themselves You know to learn how to lead and to try to lead it's it's challenging anyway Just so I think there's three kinds of leadership. There's there's stepping into sort of fairly well-defined territory and Creating energy so for example Translations most the mechanisms for translations are there and and and often what makes a huge difference is somebody essentially Coming in and bringing energy and saying look here's an area where we can motivate a bunch of people crack on the The path is well trodden It just requires motivation and leadership to get people there and it's amazing You can actually see sort of waves as people come in and and and bring passion to an area like that That's one kind of leadership. It's really important and it's a fairly easy thing for people to step into because always non-controversial, right? There's another kind of leadership, which is where you want to do something new and so we saw a great example of this was it wouldn't you mate? initiative great leadership right small group strong leadership passionate about a sort of clearly articulated idea able to to muster Participation and contribution and everybody else essentially rallies around that to enable it right to help square away all the points of Between what those guys want from Ubuntu and what everybody else needs from Ubuntu, right? And then there's the third kind of leadership, which is you know, it requires much more kind of wisdom, which is conflict resolution and and real governance leadership, right? In open source. There's this misunderstanding about the relationship in governance and leadership and so we see projects huge projects which are massively overwhelmingly governed but have no leadership whatsoever, right and Without naming names they become dysfunctional right because you have all this energy going in but no real ability to kind of Make decisions What Liz is talking about was a case where we had a real need at a very senior level in the project that couldn't really come from canonical for For the ability to make real decisions about human aspects about what's right and what's wrong and and and the ability to essentially Exercise judgment and that was incredibly difficult. It is an incredibly difficult thing to do, but we have to do it. So I Was very very proud that although it took time the community council that we had at the time eventually said, you know what? We're gonna act and we're gonna take steps that may be seem to be unpopular But essentially they're about Defending a way of working together inside this project. We're not gonna let a strong forceful personality kind of derail things Just because they're strong and forceful right and that required real courage or required real strength Actually Liz I think the challenge when you have something like the community council which is elected and which naturally has turnover is that you Have to keep reminding yourself to find that strength every time, you know The new guys who come in Haven't seen what you've seen which is that actually a reluctance to act under circumstances like that isn't helpful Right. It is decisiveness and the willingness to essentially make unpopular decisions That's called for and we have to keep reminding ourselves that that's needed someone like Linus in Linux Obviously doesn't have to be reminded about that. It's clearly got the hang of it and And I think that's a great thing, right? That's the thing that that the large and more distributed projects often struggle with and I hope that our new CC You know, we'll we'll build on what we've done in the past All right. I would pick up again the subject of all book on this as something that I think everyone who's here on the table and Indians as well are very very passionate about but I'm gonna pick up one particular example and it was the organization of this particular book on so we got together Few of us here on this table as well at past CLS the community leadership summit a few months ago and We had this discussion about well, we had several discussions about leadership But in particular we had some discussions on The fact that we as a community do you want to community hadn't really been getting together in the event for for quite a while Which in some cases it didn't help with some predictions that they were in some sensitive discussions I'm particularly proud For having been part of those discussions and for having worked with with all of these guys But one thing that that I've really enjoyed with working, but even with Nathan Lace Richard asking this one in the organization of the of you will come to some it was the fact that We canonical as a company Participate it is and we work together with volunteers to organize this event you will connect scale has been invented been running for seven eight years now and We wanted to make sure as in canonical the committee team, but it was not something that we just barging And and try to make it our event This was about creating synergies about working together to to make it much bigger and I think Every one of us has learned quite a lot about about this. There's something that that we all play to to build on unsubstitute overcons around the world And also, I think this has highlighted as well the leadership in particular from Nathan and and Richard in being the main organizers of The conference. I was having this conversation with Nathan a few days ago where he was saying yeah, I We've been organizing on for a while, but we could have never imagined that they would evolve to that to this event where Some people while I know this I'm not at the same scale I've been told many times this week that has this UDS field from the past Won't to develop our summits, of course, I'll say it's not at the same scale, but I think It's a really good step in the in the right direction Creating these stronger bonds within the community which also make me the strongest as Fantastic, so in the spirit of the Republican debate, you're all avoiding answering my question Nathan best thing in the last 12 months worst thing in the last 12 months First I want to say I'd like to Dither for a second and say that we Richard and I did have Plans to we're giant even cons. Maybe we'll we'll gradually get there over a few years, but Thanks to the canonical community team. We were able to do this in a couple months a few months and We're really grateful. They were super helpful We worked really well together that they were a great I think that the I'd say that the rise of these I hate to say that yes The you become summits are probably the best thing to come Up in the community in the last 12 months, but I really think we are seeing this this resurgence of community-led events and as a member of the local Council the local community council that's important to me. I think I Haven't been on the council for 12 months, but I think we are seeing a sort of In the early days of the community the boom to us this big new project and we had this new direction And there was a lot of energy and fire. It's a really exciting Goal, and I think we sort of met The new two goals in large part and now we're ramping up for convergence and for the next step But I think the energy sort of waned because everything just works and so simple local teams are not as Active globally as I'd like and we're seeing people just they've been doing this for If you choose eleven and a half years old now and and people are getting tired, so we need to get more energy into some of the teams and so I I Definitely would like to see more More energy and the local teams around the world And in the US and so I will see what I can do to help encourage others I think that anyone who wants to be involved in the community can just step up and do it Find the others find the team. Let them know what you're up to. You don't need permission But I think that sense of agency sometimes Is is not well communicated, so I think that's sort of a failure On my part as part of the local council, and I'm gonna see what I can do about it this year fantastic Now it will be remiss if I didn't ask some difficult questions, and then we're gonna move on to audience questions, I think so in recent months there's been The elephant in the room has been the the this is a question to my friends in canonical The elephant in the room has been the IP policy has been some people being very critical of the policy There are some people who are very supportive of the policy. I think most people don't actually care very much but my question to canonical is What is causing some ambiguity and some discomfort in the community? What are your thoughts and how we can have best addressed that to remove that ambiguity and discomfort? There's no ambiguity whatsoever none What's so ever right? This is this is the classic teach the controversy, you know bullshit Fud-spreading mechanism that we we see in in the open-source Political field just like we see it in other political fields so, you know I'll state The exact position and then I'll also say like why It gets described as ambiguous So the exact position is that if you want to distribute a modified Ubuntu image It's an image that has That is not one of the ones that you can download from canonical comm then you need to have permission to do that Which we do on a routine basis We've done it Hundreds perhaps thousands of times for community projects for companies for clouds and so on and it comes down to the simple fact That we can't have it both ways we can't say you can do whatever you like But then we reserve the right to come tell you not to do it, right? So for example the example I gave in a session yesterday if we found an image out there that had a key log And we found this for example on on Amazon on clouds that there'd be an image which Advertises itself is very useful, right and it is very useful It's got a whole bunch of pre-installed software on it And you just have to enter some passwords and it turns out that that's a phishing scheme scan, right? Because the passwords that you use there almost certainly be passwords that you're using elsewhere so In order to preserve the right to say no that is not acceptable We have to say that and this is absolutely standard every open-source project faces this We have to say that if you want to redistribute a modified image you've got to ask for permission So there is no ambiguity that is the rule it has always been the rule It is applied absolutely fairly and openly there's no difficulty in this whatsoever the guy who makes the biggest noise about this Ask for permission to do that and he got that permission within like 12 hours And then spent months and months and months saying that that was completely unacceptable, right? That's just teach the controversy and so don't feed it Please Johnno Don't feed it right. I'm not feeding it. I'm just asking the questions of the audience No, no, no, but don't feed it. This is like saying that climate change is controversial among scientists. It's not Right every serious scientist says that that's the fact right ebb and mogul and says that what we do is right Right, so the only people who want to you to think that there's controversy here Are that's all they want you to think is that this is controversial, right? So and That's why this, you know, because it becomes a thing because there are folks who would you know who who Have their own Projects that they would like to give airtime to and they see Ubuntu as a Competition to that the guy in question works for a direct competitor, right? So just generating headlines that sell this is controversial to suppress people's natural sort of happiness with Ubuntu I just don't want to feed that anymore. I think it's nonsense Any of the comments from the panel, I will say I think it's unfair to characterize him as a competitor because I believe the person question is Maybe but I think that's a little unfair, but That aside, I think Generally from the community perspective, it's not clear how to ask for that permission Honestly, I don't know how So I think maybe if that was made more clear it would help dispel some of this In the controversial IP policy and question it says please email this email address and if you do that you can answer, right? so the other the reason ambiguity came into the Frame is that in many cases there are good reasons why you don't provide You don't say this is exactly When you what you can do right because you then essentially Have to anticipate all of the things that people might do and a good example of this is the FSF themselves Who will not answer the simple question? When does the GPL apply? Right, and there's a very good reason why they won't do that. They would much rather essentially leave it up to you to figure out Whether what you have done means that the GPL applies to the work that you're creating that's standard policy at the FSF effectively And so for exactly the same reason we don't we won't answer the question When will we not grant a license right because then we would have had to anticipate all of the cases where? That somebody might do something that we would regret having blanket granted that right we do do some of those things For example, we say when work goes through the archive you can do a remix and so that has two effects It encourages people to collaborate At the core right to actually do what make does and what others do come join the ability to community and work in the archive It also then allows us to have visibility on all the code that's been changed because those remixes are built out of the archive We see all the source code. We see the build process. We see the image build process We can then make that we can very easily say that's a remix go for it, right? So there we have mechanisms which are reasonable mechanisms to give people the ability to do what they want to do It's only I think a toxic Angle to sort of say that the other mechanisms that we have somehow aren't suitable Okay, any of the comments All right, why don't we move on some audience questions? So does anyone have any questions about any topic? You can cover whatever you want That if you yell your question out, and I'll repeat it for the cameras Okay, the question is do you have any plans to sell canonical? You can make them check out the cash and all All right next question Over here you can just shout it out Could you say that a little louder, please? So the question is is there a good place to find documentation or guidance on how to host a local event? We link to a lot of local documentation best practices how to set up events And there's also links to to the mailing list so you can get in touch with from other local teams That's usually the easiest way to go about it. Just ask people who have experienced Questions over here. This is for the kabuntu project. So the question is what are Tools and methodologies and guidance for for kabuntu to produce great kabuntu releases and workflow. I think one thing that That's really really good from the from the team is that it's team that traditionally has been really really collaborative with With you want to team with with upstream and this is something that Perhaps in the last few months with all discussions that have been hoping have any Set them a bit apart when world recommend is to continue talking to leaders in the Ubuntu community that can can give advice on how to best how to best work together Essentially, I mean in terms of getting new contributors. There's there's practices that that apply throughout Regardless of of the project. I mean one of the the I think one of the Pieces of advice that I would that I would keep is to make sure that that the team communicates. Well, what they're doing There's something that really really encourages new contributors and also users to see what progress has been happening and getting them excited about about the project Having conversations with with the different Councils in a one-two as well to ask for to ask for advice as well is something that Always works But in essence in summary perhaps Going to those leaders in the community and getting advice. I would say Also, we've sort of floated I work on Zubuntu and we've sort of floated the idea of having a cross-flavor mailing list or IRC channel where we can all get together and share best practices We do it sort of ad hoc right now. We all hang out in the release channel and we all Sit in different areas where we sort of pitch in on things But there hasn't really been a collective push in the community to get us all together at the same table And I think now that we have so many flavors It may be time that our ad hoc approach maybe isn't working quite as well anymore and we all need to get together somewhere So we should we should chat later So a follow-up question that a few people in the community Were interested in was with all the talk about snappy and the opportunities that snappy brings to distributions What do we think that snappy could bring to distributions such as Kubuntu or Zubuntu to make it easier to build the derivative in that way So I'll speak to that we in the design of snappy. We've consciously Factored that in so that it'd be possible to make a snappy application that for example is a Kubuntu snappy application snaps can essentially Say that they they're going to depend on the system to provide specific and we call them skills kind of capabilities and so you could have snap that says I need Kubuntu right or I need KDE effectively and then that would expect that there's a set of system services that are being provided Which that snap will depend on so it's a much more lightweight way of specifying dependencies and saying I depend on this package to be installed It's just saying I don't know how that I don't care how that services provided I just need that to be there. So we've done that deliberately. So that's snappy as a mechanism is useful for For the other distros and I think that's going to be super useful because I'm guessing that the vast majority of work that goes into producing Something like Kubuntu in is it involves packaging in devs? You know many applications now the core libraries you probably want to keep packaging as devs because they're useful for other people But the end nodes the applications probably a hell of a lot easier to snap Daniel's example there was a guy here at the conference had a thing that he'd written took two minutes to make a snap of it We've just essentially tried to get rid of all the bureaucracy and policy The exchange for that of course is that the snap lives within its own confined world, right? And but that's fine for for an app so So if that trade works for you, then I think you'll be able to energize people to kind of do that work There's also a nice feature of the star that you can have multiple release channels So you could theoretically have something which Does automatic builds uploads them to the store and people who are subscribed to the to the edge channel? They get them instantly so let me let me riff a little on what Daniel's saying there so two two key ideas the first is that It's going to be a lot easier with snappy to bring new versions of applications to old versions of the distro In a world where everything is a dead we have this tremendous interlock problem We're a new version of an app that depends on a new version of a library We can't bring in because that would mean an upgrade of the old version of the library We don't know who's depending on that and blah right so in the snappy world by drawing that hard line We lose one nice thing which is you know a guarantee of a fix to a library fixes everything that depends on the library But we gain the ability very easily to bring a new version of Lieber office bring a new version of Firefox bring A new version of the browser or the big KDE applications right which are big complex applications So they'll become fatter as as binaries, but they'll also become more agile So my my expectation and it's just a guess is that what you'll see is that a community like yours? Might well shift towards saying look We're just going to provide snaps of the newer KDE apps on the older LTS releases So that way there's a there's a call that is the LTS that gets maintained And then the apps are moving faster, which is nice for developers nice for users as well Right right and so that then the other half of that Daniel is referring to is that if I've installed a name like Lieber office Right a snap of that name actually within that name instead of having different PPA versions I can actually have channels of that version So you can be pushing out for the same release like 1604 you can be pushing out the stable version of a KDE app And the offer version of the next version of that KDE app in the same channel So that people can test it out and switch between those very very easily without upgrading the whole the whole desktop So we've really thought a lot about trying to decouple Parts of the community to enable them to go faster. It'll be different. It'll be new some people will be upset It'll be controversial. There'll be headlines But I think it'll be better Yep Very cool, Ryan. Did you have a question? Right, so remember the phone is not yet on snappies the snappies kind of sorry mark Did everyone hear the question? So just so everyone heard the question was around Around a background service in in a bunty phone and how that could work. Sorry go ahead so the original iterations work was a thing called click and Click they were starting to get to the point We were you know We were still using the dead framework that we wanted to start to box these applications in so the Emphasis was really on the confinement story that work has evolved and evolved again So we're now coming up to about you can call it snappy 3.0 is what will go into 1604 and that has explicit support for services. So in a snap you can have multiple apps so for example if you have a GUI application and a background service those are two separate apps in the snap and One of them can be described as a service so that it will be started on boot For example, you can essentially describe The characteristics of that and we will map that either to upstart or system D or whatever is essentially starting and stopping services on the system So that's explicitly supported in snappy bear in mind on the phone We also have an issue about battery life in a way that we don't really have on servers or connected devices So on the phone the decision was taken to essentially Not have stuff running in the background because we couldn't predict the impact that would have on performance of battery life With the phone moving to snappy. We'll have to figure out how to square that circle But we have we've also gained a lot of primitives for example in Lex D Which we'll use in snappy We've gained the ability to make a little container for example and bound the memory and GPU CPU time allocated to it So that's the way we might have a service that can be put in the background and know that it's gonna It's going to be well behaved effectively Does So the question is is there gonna be a command line app for snap for installing snaps and and there is there a Is there a way to deploy dockerized applications via snappy? And so yes, and yes There will be a snappy command on your normal Ubuntu Debian based server desktop You'll just say snappy install X and X is a name like what I was describing earlier now Of course if X requires capabilities or skills from the platform that that you don't have So you won't be able to install a phone application on a Wi-Fi base station, right? But assuming that there's a fit there, then you'll get that you'll get that thing And then second your second question is about docker. Yes. In fact docker Is available on snappy systems? And so you can you can you can say I've got a snap I need docker on the system and and then you can spin up the docker containers So you could do for example kubernetes or something like that as a snap if you wanted to yeah All right, so we're gonna move on to a quick quick fire section here I've got a few questions here I'm gonna ask each of the panelists to provide a really quick single sentence response And we'll see how many weeks we can get through all right We'll start at we'll start with Jose at the end first question is name someone who inspires you in the work that you do Liz Liz has been mentoring me since I got into the community great Nathan um Well John I'll actually because he's always so enthusiastic I knew early on at my first scale scale success that when we were at the booths afraid We've never done before he's like this is great. Good job. Keep the good work, and I've been doing that for eight years now Thank you Liz I'll say it's Richard Gaskin. He's not on the stage You're awesome Mark There's a guy called mohundas K. Gundy, and I thought he was pretty awesome Holly It's the teams and people I work with that inspire me to come to work every day David all right I'll pick someone from the Wuntu community with someone who's relative for but Not one of the all suspects from the Wuntu community That's one of the corrupt developers necklace Ramanan who's got so much positive energy so much Passion that's been incredible working with him. Good choice Daniel Great now we're gonna start at this end so poor Jose doesn't have to think in his feet within seconds Second question. What is the most successful and enjoyable thing that you've experienced in this ubercon so far? To look into into the faces of everyone I met in the bar and we're chatting. It was just like meeting family again David for me it was it was good to see the People talking positively about about about who can and seeing the attendant on the on the first sessions How people were excited about this and in particular seeing Nathan's session doing right being really really well attended Yeah Ali For me, I love seeing new leaders, right? And there are quite a few folks here who I think I'd never met before never seen in action. They're amazing people they are bringing Integrity and passion and professionalism to to the things they care about in Ubuntu and and Many cases those are things that I don't I didn't know about so it's great for me to see the project getting stronger Because there are people bringing things to it that I couldn't even imagine list So sort of similar to what Daniel said I'm getting to see people I'm not really a very social person generally, but I've really enjoyed the social events that we've had Getting to see people people I haven't seen in years and getting to meet new people in the community It's really energizing and as you mentioned during your talk yesterday You know that there is a way the community used to be and when you're talking about all our memories and putting up the pictures Never go away Probably getting up here on stage to give the big kickoff and introduce smoke shuttle worth because Richard and I had to talk Very vaguely about what we were going to do and who says what part and we came up here in ad-libbed And we spent all these months working on the on on this event and getting up here and just kicking it off And then stepping back and watching all the wonderful presenters just work their magic which led of course then to the party last night where I had to do was See how much to the one I could drink in the time I wanted so challenge accepted Jose Definitely seeing error all the effort put into the conference come to action Finally all the months that Richard and Nathan and part of the community team has been spending in the last couple months Trying to get this done to make a great conference finally Coming to life It's just amazing and the number of people that's here just for the conference. It's just outstanding All right next question if you could have an unlimited set of engineering resources or people at your disposal What would you be your pet feature you'd love to see in Ubuntu? What's the top of your wish list? You've been to edge All the things I hoped would make it into 1604, but we'll have to wait for Jose did you want to I have no idea we'll come back to you at the end. All right Oli Do all my work on my phone David so do make sandwich The dream is real Daniel, I think for me it would be more of a social thing I think it would be great if we had resources to help teams with Handover with with leadership issues like helping out there Okay, any thoughts Jose for an unlimited number of resources. I would say just fix all the bugs We have a large part He also means it into an inch All right Final question in the quick fire Daniel What is one of your favorite memories as part of the Ubuntu project so far? I know this is a tough one What I really enjoyed was the the party we had in Prague It was just amazing All stars play James West me and I were playing some music there. We had somebody VJ. It was just it was just incredible to the vibe there David For me, it must have been the first UBS in Barcelona We had joined canonical just a couple of months before and This guy over there essentially told me to prepare the translations track. No pressure Welcome to canonical Haven't had made before like either from canonical canonical employees Volunteer community members and seeing all of these rock stars in action Ollie so I'm with Ubuntu with canonical for like five years now and The most memorable thing is still like my first two months because it was like just a month drinking off the fire hose And then like meeting everybody that I just saw an IRC Or talked to an IRC and that was still like a memory I go back to quite frequently Mark Favorite memory there's a few So the very first time I hosted What was then called the SSDS the super secret Debian startup in my house in London It was the first time I met all of these amazing DD's and So everybody arrived in London and they all came to the house and You know it was about 20 people all sitting around the lounge and I went out for I Don't know get some snacks or something And when I came back into the house, I kind of came through and it was this eerie silence So I knew that there were 20 people in my lounge, but I couldn't hear anything Right. I thought what are 20 people doing silently in my house and it turned out they were all on IRC When we had our developer summit in Copenhagen, I had just spent two weeks in Ghana deploying Ubuntu desktops So I was in Ghana, which is in Western Africa, and then I flew home to San Francisco for two days to swap out my suitcases And then I flew to Copenhagen which is closer to Africa than home It was really crazy, and I did a lightning talk During the UDS and then afterwards for the entire UDS people were coming up and talking to me about deployments They've done in Africa outreach. They've been doing in their organizations Recycling programs that they've been working with because I talked a lot about that in my talk So it was like an entire week of like all this stuff coming together I was jet lagged and tired, but I was so excited because we were so many people I didn't even know we're working on similar things that I was Nathan My favorite memory keeps getting renewed. It was the realization that the Ubuntu community is a The entire project is a meritocracy. It's a duocracy. So when I first ship at scale, John was there to encourage us when I wanted to complain about some branding issues Mark had some time for me yesterday When I wanted to talk in the community Q&A that every Tuesday on hangouts on YouTube I Was I was invited in and jumped in and they weren't humoring me I was welcome there as well every single person I've ever met in the community Who's a leader and famous is just a great guy happy to see me happy to accept the hard work I do and and help out when I need it and I see that as well here in at scale and do we con where people want to join in and I can Honestly say to them You know here's where you start join this channel and you are more than welcome and want to help you and I Think that from the top for mark all the way down to every last person. That's what makes it been too special Jose I Always remember UDSR and everything that went around it. It was just so fun in and it was a great experience All right, so just wrapping up. This has been the Ubuntu Leadership panel and I think it would be remiss if we didn't finish off with some final words from Arguably the top of the tree of the Ubuntu world. So Mark Final thoughts maybe the bottom of the world So I thought I'd talk a little bit about age and gracefully and Because we as a project are now headed for 12 years old, right and we as a bunch of people are substantially older Nature had partially balding in mind for me as you can see I've gone with yippie-ki-yay motherfucker bald instead The truth is you can't avoid Time and you can't avoid change, right? And so I enjoy reminiscing But we're not gonna have wild parties and Copenhagen again, you know, it would be weird to a certain extent, right? We were founded at a time when there was only one platform and nobody had any choice in their use of that platform That is just not an issue anymore, right? And so to a certain extent it's really dangerous I think to sort of wish for things to be where they were because the issues have changed we have changed, right? Here's what I think won't change that smart amazing people Are going to want to strike out into the unknown and they're gonna they're going to want Free software as the foundation for doing that. That was true for me in 2004 That's why I started Ubuntu, right? It was it was the thing that I could do without me having to figure out which of those smart people I should send money to I could essentially Gather a bunch of other passionate people and enable all of those small people to just do what they do and they could do that Equally whether they came from Ghana. Thank you for doing that or whether they came from from Southern California, right? So to me that's never gonna change and there is always the opportunity for us to essentially be that foundational story for innovation if we want puppy energy, which is lovely. I love that energy, right that kind of Stop at nothing get it done Kill, you know kill the bad guy win the world get the girl whatever your analogy is if we want that energy Then we also have to keep looking at the next wave of what's interesting and difficult and challenging, right? AI in your basement or Convergence devices or anything that someone in this community might see as the next thing And we really have to work hard to open up the possibility for that and here's the challenge, right? People will assume Things about us which makes it harder for us to do new things, right? So Because we are when we when we started we said hey all of Linux on one CD and that was a kind of laughable idea Right, it was a crazy idea in a world where every distro was trying to compete to have 14 CDs 15 CDs, right? We went with one CD, right? That was a crazy idea, but it worked right and Now the challenge is we are at much at risk of making our own lives difficult for for taking that next Controversial step, right if we came up now with the equivalent of Let's do it all on one CD Half of the criticism of that idea would be internal would be us Unsure about whether we can do that, right? I think how kind of challenging that is that's middle-aged, right? You've got things that you already care about But the world is changing and you have to figure out what crazy ideas or the right wants to bet on for the next time So, you know, I can't promise that I can always spot the right crazy idea But I will promise that I'm not afraid of those and we shouldn't be afraid of those And I've got the back of any leader at Ubuntu who wants to go out and do things differently Because I have absolutely no doubt that we have a really profound role to play as kind of the the most accessible most open most committed Quality enterprise quality platform for innovation on free software out there I'm committed that we essentially be that foundational layer for that next up So sorry, that was a bit of a ramble But first those memories are super important that energy is super important, but let's not get stuck there, right? Let's always be willing to go out and be a little controversial and try new things They won't always work, right? The edge was a spectacular miss But only because the time wasn't right, right? The idea I don't think anybody would say now was was was crazy Wonderful. Here's to the future of Ubuntu. Thank you panelists and thank you for bringing your questions