 Alright, thanks for staying with us now. According to LASEPA, the decision to seal some of these businesses, such as Alaya Food, catering services and Bukahot of Lucky Phase 1, was made because of their persistent disregard for environmental pollution, some religious centers like Ansaruddin and Restoration Center Global Church in Bagada were also sealed due to concerns regarding noise pollution and environmental disruption. LASEPA also reported that parts of Alaba International Market were found to have flouted several key waste management guidelines, such as indiscriminate waste disposal, absence of designated waste point, lack of waste receptacles for proper containment as well as an unsatisfactory state of drainage system despite repeated notices, urgent compliance to the regulations. Now, environmental hygiene regulations play a very vital role in protecting public health and the environment. By setting standards for the quality of air, water, land, and by regulating the discharge of pollutants, environmental hygiene regulations can help to prevent disease. Reduce environmental degradation and improve the overall quality of life. So today we are asking, how will LASEPA's rampant sealings impact hygiene in Lagos? Please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to the read, 1-803-4663. So I was just going to take the story I had said I wanted to take because there's another ceiling. This was just a mention though. This is the place I think it's at, at Macaulay, Yaba. So this one is in line with what we have talked about demolishing structures, right? This one, they were remodeling the space and they did not go to get a permit for that remodeling. So imagine if you had like a one-story or a, what's it called, a bungalow and you raise it up to a one-story or two-story building. So which is good because this is what we're talking about, laws, right? And saying that why don't you even just let them, instead of building, you know, but this one, they've even finished building it, they've gone to seal it. I was just going to say that, okay, so when the LASEPA started working, because this new administration of LASEPA, they're obviously working. There were a lot of, of course, you know, I always come with all those conspiracy theories, but it seemed like the businesses were targeting certain kinds of people, right? But the, the, the reasons for this sealing of all of these places, right, they're quite valid. Talk about waste management, talk about noise pollution, talk about what's it called, poor drainage is, you know, so, I mean, they are quite cogent, some of those reasons, right? So I looked at it and I said, okay, let me go back again. There's a lot, but I think they even forgot to mention the- A lot of them had- This was the Ladiko, she was also shut down. A lot of those businesses. Oh, it was shut down. How far was it shut down? Yeah, but yeah, a lot of them, a lot of them. So I'm now wondering in my head, D, that outside of all of these things, right, if we truly want to check some of these violations, is there any particular structure that will survive, especially in the major market? Would there be anyone, an exception, a genocide? Because there was a time, you know, when they sealed that third Milan that I had to go through Yaba, there was a time I don't know what happened. Maybe it was because the traffic was so bad, Google was trying to take me through. Oh, mother, they passed inside Balogunji. Over, I had never seen that. If you see the kind of heap of rubble, there's a part in Balogunji called Gota or something. So what I'm saying is, if La Seppa is really ready for this, it means that they will be ready to seal everywhere. Because there are no current standard markets, apart from the newly built Yaba ultra market, and the one that was called, Aladdin Runabout wasn't the one. Aladdin Market. Aladdin Market, that has standardized. I feel that markets seem to be like violating some of these things that they have pointed at the reasons for sealing up these places. What do you think? Okay, so I agree with your point, that's where you're coming from, you know, that in order to enforce the law, there must first be a structure on ground. But while there may not be, why we may not be operating at a 100% capacity of structure in terms of, okay, these are the structures on ground and all that, there are, within the ambit of their operation, they know that there are laws. And I can say that for Lagos, I don't know about other states, but I can say that for Lagos, they have associations, that's market women, market men associations and all that. And they have these laws, because sometimes you can hear them. I'll give you an example. In a quarry, there are certain, they know the days they do sanitation. They know these things. But you see, our people are such that we are so used to the law not working, we're so used to nobody enforcing the law, that it becomes a big issue when somebody decides to enforce the law. I'll give you an example. When they were building Yabba, you know before of course, before it became an ultra-modern market, there was still a market there, there were buildings and all that. Now I remember that Governor Fashola was trying to get people off the rails because people used to die on that rail. But guess what? When the Kai or the Task Force, when they used to beat them up and say, please, they want to die. Now he felt as the governor of the state, he was his responsibility to save God, the lives and properties of people. And he tried, but mm-mm. So every time they keep coming there, people will still, like once the Task Force has gone, you see them, they will come back. So we keep doing these things because we feel, hey, the same way you see people selling on the road, it becomes a major problem for cars to drive through, or even pedestrians to even walk through normal roads just because somebody is standing on the road and selling and thinking it is their rights. So I think, I mean, I've heard the arguments where people are trying to politicize this and like you rightly said, think they're targeting a specific kind of people but I don't agree with that because when they locked a, when they shut down mile 12, I listened to the person in charge who was speaking on channels and he said something, he said, you know what, people would always talk, that's the truth. And he said they're not just closing indiscriminately, they're setting conditions. They were notices giving to their authorities. Now it is now the responsibilities of their authorities, did they pass down those notices or they did not? I'm sure they did, but you know, like you rightly said in the beginning that they always think that they can always get away with things, that's why they let it slide. I want to bring you back to, you know, the structure, right? Because you see, it's easier said than done, right? Because if we look really with our microscopic eyes, we have never had a proper structure when it comes to marketplace in Syria, right? Our markets have always been known for some of this kind of chaos because they believe that it is in the chaos that the price would be, you have a good price point, you know? So if you look at all the structures within market structures, it's always been like that. So when you say Thursdays are for sanitation, right? I get it, because most times you just, they don't open their businesses until 10am in the morning. Well guess what, they don't use it for nothing. Do you get what I'm saying? Because even when they pack those debts, like okay, I've swept my own site, where do you get to it? But you know the crazy thing, they have beans. Sometimes I see, you... I said the gigantic beans, where do you see? But guess what? This is where I'm going with this conversation because you see, it's not sealing these properties that will solve the problem. It's the fact that you must understand and make people examples. Do you get what I'm saying? You must make people examples and there should not be any exception. That fairness must be cut across. Don't seal up one store and leave the other. Because if you say what affects what, when we talk about noise pollution for instance, this is like where they go, they say noise pollution. Even right next to, I mean on that entire admiralty, there are different kinds of spots at night. Do you understand? So why are those other ones still open? Do you get what I'm saying? So if you're talking about... So if you're talking about some of these things, my point is make it that when they come, it is slippery, nobody can catch you. You know why? Because even you said, you use your eyes to see that there is no discrimination here. So that's a routine mask. For instance, that they shut down. That's not the only mask that makes noise. Because I mean, it's just that God has delivered us from living in certain kinds of areas. But there are some areas that you go to till tomorrow. Do you understand? You will hear so many loud noises. You get what I'm saying? Same with churches. I mean, there was a church right before my, what's it called? My very first house in Magodofes too. That church where they started trying, you understand? But I'm saying to you that it is back to back. It's not something that it can, it can, what's it called? You can do just this one and say, okay, this other person, because it's everywhere. If you want to really look at those churches, it's everywhere. Is it the one that is holding a megaphone on the road? Arrest them. Do you understand? This noise. You go to bus stops. You see those people trying to sell me. There's one, one, one, one concoction that can solve 10 billion diseases. You see them with the loudspeaker. But they're not calling passengers. It's a megaphone. So when you talk about noise pollution, what might mean noise pollution to you might not be noise pollution to me. Do you understand? But I'm saying to you that if you really want to solve this problem and be seen to be fair, let it go across. You get. So now, mile 12, I don't know if it's reopened now, but mile 12 has always been known for dirt. Like literally, I've not entered a market in years. I entered it. So I used to enter, but at some point I said, see the one thing, I hate in my life. In case you did not know it now, I do not go to markets because I just have a phobia for market. So if there's anything I can get in the supermarket, if you want me to really, really do that thing for you, go and buy it, bring it. I do not like market because it just gives me some kind of, I don't know, one kind of feeling. Why do I need to wear boots to entire market? That's right. Why do I need to wear boots? So if you talk about the Alaba Internet, I've never been there. Yeah. But I hear that, you know, that place also like is chaotic. Then the one that sells, you know, there's Alaba and they want to sell. Alabarago. They want to sell their spare parts. Which one is it? Alaba is the one that. The trade fair. The trade fair is Alaba. There's Alaba International, there's Alabarago, where they sell cut to an old. Look at Kaira Market. Look at Kaira, they didn't want to do a documentary. In God of Heaven. At some point I told the cameraman, please, if you are not turning back me, I'm going back to the car, or if you will finish, come and meet me. You know, is it the Kaira Market? Or, I mean, literally. Even Oigomaru. Market is synonymous, synonymous to dirt in this country. So you see, for us to solve this problem, it has to be a complete 360 mind reorientation and shift. Okay, so do you think that if there were structures like proper markets, do you think that we would be able to rise above this issue of dirt, you know. Yes. Waste disposal. Yes, and I will answer you. Let's take a break because I would like to open up our phone lines. I will answer you. 100% yes. Thanks for staying with us. And if you just tune in that ladies night out as you already know D&I. We're trying to talk. Touch this. Rampant ceiling. That is happening. And what the impact on hygiene will be in Lagos. Now, please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or answer up to the rate 1803-4663. You can also send us, or sorry, call 07025-007749. That's the number to call. Remember to turn off the volume or whatever device it is that you're watching us from. So I will send to you that yes, it was possible. You asked the question that if we had an ultra modern market, right? Is it possible for us to not start? Yeah. It's very possible. But two things. First of all, right? We need to restructure because we have malls. There was a time in our lives in this country that we never knew what shopping malls were. Now you see actual people like literally everybody goes to supermarkets to go to shopping malls to go and shop, right? So Balogo Market for instance has a lot of there's a lot of restructuring that has to happen in that market. Balogo Market is supposed to be the Sam's Club or they call the what's the other one in the US or Costco, right? That is supposed to be like the idea because the idea is that you're going there to go and buy a book and you are now taking those books. So if a government were really serious about solving some of this hygiene problem, right? It is now trying to restructure the markets in a way that we start to you know like force people to say this is the path we are going so you better follow it well. Which is what they did with the what's it called the Yaba Ultra Modern Market, right? Have you been inside the market recently? Wait, no, I didn't come. I didn't come. I knew you were coming there. I have been this person ahead of you. I didn't know you were coming there. But you see now it goes back to what I said that is beyond the structure because no matter how modernized the structure is it is still the same human being and it's still the same their own way of life. But they want to bring it to that structure. It's not going to work. Which is what is happening even with the Ultra Modern Market that they built in Yaba. Yes, there is a structure that is no longer whatever but you can still see that it's still the same mindset. Nigerians are already used to that thing. We are used to chaos. We are used to chaos. We are. It will take a lot for us to be able to retrace our steps back. Now, even for the sake of hygiene you know that this is not only if you go to Karnas state I don't know any other state market that I've entered. I've gone to other states but I don't think I've entered their market. Their markets, yeah. In Karnas state where I grew up there's a market my mother used to buy all her foodstuffs and all of that called Kakuri market and I think the station market. If you see where northerners and this I must give it to them if you see where northerners are selling fruits they wash their work yeah, yeah, true. Literally. So there's a there's a so that's what I'm saying to you that there's so many things playing out here. There is a mindset reorientation that needs to happen. So it is beyond just sealing of these places. You know why? If they comply and they probably go and meet all the start what's it called statutory conditions for them to be reopened it doesn't guarantee that they sustain it all that you are trying to achieve what happened. It doesn't guarantee that you know the pollution or whatever you're trying to avoid it will come back. So I believe that yes, sealing might happen just to put some level of scare but it's beyond the sealing. We need to find a way to start to change the mindset of people. The most of this market that you go to right they believe that until the thing is from the debt if there are some places where they sell tomato the broken one is cheaper. Yeah they'll tell you that this one is cheaper than the ones that are fresh and whatever they'll tell you those ones are more expensive all those things are mindset. Do you understand? So food and safety right especially for the ones that are dealing with food we need to have a food and safety what's it called? Department I don't know how they are going to do it they have you understand that goes to check because even this thing is not unique to Nigeria no it's not have you been to have you not seen some videos of McDonald's where they have big rice inside there and all of that so kitchen especially people that cook if you go to the what happens behind you will not want to eat that food true true so it's not unique to a particular people it is just the mindset I was in America in Las Vegas that kitchen I was almost having a heart attack of course we see some things on what's it called this food show I said is it possible in America the America where they talk everywhere and you know it also comes down to you cannot you cannot give what you don't have true if you don't have the knowledge and understanding of what an action can result to you probably may not even do better if the average grass root woman who who sells her products in the market does not even understand that just from not handling tomato well you could be selling a whole you know basket of poison to an innocent family she may not even know because she will tell you this is where I also eat from so you'll find out you'll find out that they have recurring sickness but nobody is probably teaching them so I think that in order like you said it has to be a multi-pronged solution you know structure but there must be education education enlightenment continuous one continuous one so you do that through their association or their leadership structure where you tell them listen you must do this for us to be able to get this okay what are the challenges okay why is it difficult for you to dispose your waste because some of them will tell you oh before I walk from there to there some again I mean you're talking about structures how many of these women or men can actually afford a structure if you put a structure in place so let me even explain something to you what you just said about the tomato analogy you see in other same communities when a produce is leaving the farmland the way they say when they carry they carry it with prestige do you get what I'm saying they put them in crates so if it is the tomato if it is the cabbage your cucumbers they put them in crates neatly please they put them in trailer please and basket because when something has already been malhandled poor do you get what I'm saying we need to start to pay attention literally we don't treat ourselves as kings and queens we treat ourselves like nobody we treat ourselves like poppers even poppers in some places will not eat what it is that we're eating I always say that they will not even give it to the animals if people go have the opportunity to go to markets to see where their food actually comes from you will not have to eat honestly honestly so that's what I'm saying that have separate sealing of places it's a fantastic thing but I'm saying that the the approach should not just stop at sealing you know one day road safety stopped us on the road and the guy said that was it maybe sea caution I can't remember what it was that was missing amongst all the things they asked us so I asked him a question I said sir what was the use of this sea caution he said okay that accident what are you most most interested in is it educating us so that we understand the consequences of some of these things enforcing the law or enforcing the law and just you're just concerned about your fine he kept mute because you see he he immediately understood where I was going I said I don't have a problem paying your fine and I will pay your fine but I'm trying to explain to you a road safety officer needs to educate you first and tell me oh madam if you don't have your fire extinguishers you don't have your sea caution if anything goes wrong you cannot because you will not be able to park and give what's it called notice to someone coming there there's a broken down vehicle here very true do you understand so it's the same thing approach will separate sealing it it is what's it called consequences right but what about why we don't ask why in this country we just do things because there is a why this is happening right before the lady feels the need to sell in a clean environment how did the goods get to her in the first place do you understand did the goods come to her clean was it neatly presented to her we don't take hygiene and this is beyond just these places go to public toilets go to even office tell them you want to use the restroom do you understand what I'm saying so it is hygiene problem is a is a is an it has to be in built it has to be it's inside our blood the problem is is rooted so for us to solve it sealing these places is just like peeling I know it comes back to the fact that we do not have the maintenance culture absolutely I see the possibility of okay you erect all these beautiful edifices and structures and provide all these places and then in two years it's run down absolutely they don't care nobody cares so again I mean people need to be educated on the why so they understand that there are consequences for actions and they need to speak to them it's very important so so beyond just sealing I want to see LaSepa's framework I want to see LaSepa's framework I want to see what their their structure would be in terms of educating they need to use a lot of media it has to be a public advocacy yes you must use use celebrities use different people do you know what I'm saying because it's a real problem that public health public health is a real problem that they're trying to solve but you see your approach to solving public health should not just stop just throw in the hammer say oh yeah bam seal seal no it should go beyond that because guess what a lot of us rely on this public food the story MJ took last week of a life frog this frog was not dead yeah a life frog so in that life frog that you have seen one life frog inside is such a water it's like a thousand liters of water what are we talking about eggs the eggs that would be in other bags because those eggs now they're not visible to the eye actually the frog is big you can see what about the eggs what about tadpoles you see so do you know what I'm saying so what Sepa is doing is fantastic right and I must commend them I'm just only asking that beyond just sealing these places right if you truly want to solve a problem right there is a there's an approach that can even take the solution higher and not higher this has to even be a national campaign it can't just because I mean it can't be it can't just be legal state it has to be a national campaign it's everywhere so you know why this is close to home for me my mom ran a restaurant for over 20 years right and I've said this thing several times first of all my mom cannot serve a customer a food that she cannot eat so it means that for them to have for you to for her to serve you that food it must have been prepared first of all under the right conditions secondly there is a particular temperature that all the food must be served she took her time for some clients in fact it is whilst you are there that she's making maybe if it is Swallow or whatever she prefers to make it live all the time and when I'm talking about restaurant I'm not talking about a small space we used to cater to what's it called all the entire staff of NMPC when it's lunch break the place is in my house but in all of those things so that's where I picked on some of these things when it's going back quickly sort it out don't wait I say this thing going back and watching and watching and watching till it gets back to me which is what we're seeing right because some of these places that La Sefa is sealing not with today their own pollution start not with today the noise start not with today the dirty start you understand and so if we truly must solve the problem line by line each market if they take on maybe my 12 now line by line and this is not the one you can see because how can they name a place Gota and trust me G they've taken me to that Gota I held my nose the money and the kind of billions that come out of that Gota you're joking you know so that's what I'm saying to you that how do you even build structures how do you even sell see that's what's in G we have somehow wired dirtiness and wealth it's only when the thing is dirty that's where money I don't know how to explain I mean I remember that when we took this conversation you know we had spoken about somebody somewhere being and complacent and being a partner you know in promoting corruption you know especially at the helms of government and it's so true because I know that for some of these structures that are built they are like illegal structures you know that they probably won't say that is for markets they will say it's for something else so they don't really look at these critical factors of okay drainage of waste proper waste disposal because you're not even fortright about the kind of structure you want to build there absolutely so it's the same case for churches and for because now you find churches renting residential apartments and converting them exactly thank you I mean you get what I'm saying thank you these are the issues you see that it's beyond just saying you're sealing the place you understand for this thing to work everybody must come together on the table and say guy do your job you are the one in charge of environmental planning please plan your environment anything that is not properly in place take them out you call the people in what's he called permit anything that is not properly properly placed sees the license to operate I mean role model the school my children went to the primary school that is owned by Daystar if you go into that school you know because they are very close to Lausa my pastor he doesn't like Kuala every single thing in terms of regulations and whatever they make sure that they put it because first of all they will not give bribe so you will see that he's working is if you know that Como these people they know they collect bribe you will do the right thing you will do the right thing but this one for Daystar is the other way around because they cannot give bribe you get what I'm saying they will make sure that because if you cannot give bribe they will frustrate you they will make sure that every single thing you tick off the box so they too they have put every single thing in place so imagine if we flip that coin we are not taking bribe if your structure does not meet this thing you are going to go down exactly everybody will comply everybody will comply he meant to that let's take some comments yeah so well the government have all these agencies didn't we have sanitation inspectors in this same Nigeria back in the day one day when same agency wakes up you would hear they sealed up one fast food outlet outlet this is Nigeria knee or molly knee or molly thank you so much ok I think this is still from knee or molly he says good evening ladies Lassepur's rampant ceilings won't impact hygiene it's just another IGR drive like all other agencies of government all of a sudden waking up to their responsibilities truth is same government agencies abdicated their responsibilities or prefer to selectively discharge it on the market we don't have standard market even at that the market should be cleaned up daily this idea of Thursdays alone as sanitation is absorbed until the government is ready to do the right thing there is no end in sight to the abnormality is the Nigeria absolutely you know some people inside the market they believe they are both widows because they are friends of their lodger of course they are in the cost of the cost do you understand what I'm saying to you well funny enough I don't get why they don't see so let me explain to you the biggest dumpster you know the biggest dumpster now is where is that located it's very close to a lobster in fact at some point the role model is very close there daystar is zero you can smell that from the express is it the express in the children's classroom the smell I just wonder how these people are coping so one day you know there's a mechanic village right at that they call it the 7 o'clock mechanic village I saw one woman just comfortably making the food people are eating how you guys coping they are like literally how you coping because I couldn't even I was feeling like I was going to faint because of the smell yeah do you understand that's what I'm trying to explain to you that we are so used to these things that it's not when you are talking about it's strange to them it's strange actually it's strange so when you as Lassepa want to solve this problem in your time do you understand what we need to start to do now is actively intentionality we must use intentionality to say you know what every single week you understand there has to be one campaign going on every on a weekly basis a campaign going on we are coming to your place make sure this is in place make sure that is in place you know even for malls I mean I had a store in the mall people started I said why they say because customers would not say no that's why it's a shopping mall people were walking people should walk in you know guess what because this is the mindset if I don't display it outside nobody will see my goods so a lot of even this market people that you are talking about they just believe that they have to go and put it outside they have to be on the road they have to be on the road and they don't understand that the only reason why they have to be on the road is because these places are chaotic that people would rather not coming it's as simple as that so make the environment such that it is attractive it is clean enough that people want to coming on that note I'm looking forward to sitting down with someone from yeah because we need to understand exactly because I'm sure that there are things that they are acting on exactly so it would be nice to understand what the structure the trajectory you understand because these things it's in phases and you must understand that one whatever can solve the problem it can my shawarma place say yeah find another spot there's just something about that shawarma maybe it's because from it made not be made not be made not be have you seen some videos on Instagram in Indian people cooking washing their hands please don't talk about that one when you are they learn where India is there we are out of time but many people before we go I show you follow us across all social media handles that way so Africa you can interact with us further drop of comments and most important to follow all our engagement on social media like share and invite your bottom it says a healthy ecology is the basis for a healthy economy this is very true so watch out and we are hoping that the path succeeds because we really want a more hygienic legal yeah yeah yeah better cleaner 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