 Okay, we're good ready. Yeah, ready. I'm Scott Rouse. I'm a body language expert and analyst and I train law enforcement in the military and interrogation and body language I created the number one online body language course body language tactics comm with Greg Hartley Mark I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language to help people all over the world to stand out Win trust gain credibility every time they communicate including some of the leaders of the G7 chase I'm Chase Hughes as the number one best-selling author in persuasion and behavior profiling I bring my 20 year military career and Harvard education and neuroscience to transform companies and people's ability To understand and leverage the most important thing in success or failure, which is human outcomes Greg Greg Hartley. I'm a former Army interrogator interrogation instructor resistance interrogation instructor written 10 books on body language and behavior Put together the number one body language online course body language tactics comm with Scott Rouse And I spend most of my time on Wall Street and corporate America All right. Yeah, of course by the way Thanks, man. I went through that Thank you Well today we're going to talk about Sir hand sir hand. He's the guy that killed Robert Kennedy So this is gonna be fairly interesting because one of us chase has a little Experience in the background on this guy in depth. So it should be really interesting and Greg you found the video you want to talk about it? Yeah, so Scott, let's not say out loud that he killed him. Maybe he didn't that's become the thing You know, that's okay, Rob is whether he actually killed him or he didn't but this video was from the 1980s He'd been in prison already for 20 plus years 1968 or is it's yeah 68 or 69. He shot Robert F. Kennedy whether he killed him or somebody else killed him Don't care. We're here to talk about what we see in the body language And this he had been in prison long enough that you can see some change to his behavior We'll go down a quick couple of things. I'll mention up front. Yes. He is Palestinian His family is from Palestine Israel, whichever part of it you want to call it but traditionally Palestine He was born there. He lived here most of his life. His father was back in Palestine He is an Orthodox Christian, I believe so there's a bunch of facts for you You know, people jump to conclusions about lots of things culture plays a part We'll see some of that and I'll mention a couple of things when he's his Arabic takes over as English in the way he communicates But I think it's a great opportunity to look at one of the most Iconic cases Still in existence. He's up for parole and has been recommended for parole just recently He moved here when he was 12 and kept his Palestinian citizenship Which is important for What we're gonna be talking about when he's talking about some stuff. We're gonna see in a minute Chase has all the background on this the rest was don't have as much as he's got So he'll probably lean into this a little bit heavier than we will So I can't wait All right, you ready? Yeah, let's do it One speech that sets you off doesn't doesn't deserve a terrible fate like that. No, I I agree and I sincerely regret My my actions for that. I was young. I was you know immature. I was wild I I really didn't have the the ability to sit back and reflect on it as just the one speech one perhaps one pandering speech to a You know a potential block of voters whom he was appealing to And now of course, I realized that and I wish that I could reverse all my actions concerning Robert Kennedy All right, Greg. What do you got? Sure? I'm Having spent a lot of my time with Arabs and knowing the culture I'm almost surprised he didn't touch his chest as he's being very placid even he's talking to the guy and he goes down A list of things he's smiling and making eye contact, you know eye contact is a very cultural thing in Americans We think we make eye contact and we do this constantly We make about 50% eye contact in the Middle East eye contact is more prevalent You look at someone when you're not thinking and they are very High eye contact his blink rate goes up and he does kind of a nervous smile again part of a cultural thing for him And we say it doesn't matter when he came to the US if your culture is surrounding you And you're in an Arab culture you around people who are speaking Arabic your first language patterns your brain your behaviors and those Kinds of things when he's shaking his head. No, that's just negativity about his past He's not we always say you somebody out there is going to say always lying because he's shaking He didn't know when he's telling you a story. No, that's negativity about his past You'll see his eyes drift down to his right as he goes into emotional accessing look this guy spent 20 years of his life at this point for something he did in his youth and Regardless how you feel about that. He's going to have feelings about that and that's what he's showing That light talking you'll hear me often talk about front of mouth speak Well, if you're in Levant dialect or Syrian dialect, whatever you want to call it of Arabic It's a lot of it is spoken in the front of the mouth So it's not abnormal for him to talk this way and I see him The only thing I see is when he says at no you see concern in his brow He does a deep swallow watch the vein in his neck pulse as he's feeling stressed from this conversation That's what I see here chase. What do you got? Yeah, I think one of the things we're seeing here is he's putting on a face literally here and this smile is a mask that he has progressively started wearing more and more and This interview took place before a parole board hearing took place and His demeanor about this regret is truthful and the recall is absolutely there and when he mentions a A lot of these things that he's mentioning here are things that sound like they're written down and He's Had to make this story up about being upset because his story has Dramatically changed over the years. He started out saying he didn't remember anything about being upset And you can go back watch videos of his parole board hearings in these times and the parole officers or the parole board members Are yelling at him that he should remember he should remember so he gets denied parole every time he doesn't remember the story That's the story of his life. He's he's been on parole for 16 times now And this is this is the time now that we're making this video as of yet. He's still incarcerated But one part that drops his entire mask and you can watch this again here when you when the video comes back up is Wishing he could take all of his actions back You can see the entire face shift at the moment before this video ends So when it comes back on the moment before the video ends you to watch that the entire face shifts the mask actually does come off Scott, what do you got? All right, so I'm gonna go what we're looking at Expression-wise that's where I want to go down on this because I'm not I don't know the background of them. I'm not me with the Where he's from in the history of me anything like that, so I'm just gonna literally tell you what it looks like to me From and we'll start expressions and those types of things in the way he's talking blah, blah, blah I think he's he's trying to give the impression that he's glad to be there so I agree with you that that smile something he's put on it's a mask and But he needs to give his story needs to tell his story So he still has that need because he's been sitting in there. That's all he thinks about is what he's what's happened Obviously, he's nervous because he's got a lot riding on this So we're seeing a lot of things that tell us that His expression of a smile is a lot of people will confuse that with a do shame smile a true smile But it's just again the perfect thing like you hear the psychopath You know when the mask drops this happens, so that's what we'll term this as as his smiling mask His vernacular is real as I didn't know he'd been there since he was 12 But I can tell his cat reads all the time man because when he talks like that guy we talked to in Where were we in Greensboro Chase? He's he's coming out with these senses that are that are just set up structurally that are just perfect His diction is perfect and he's probably pretty smart by now He may not have been back back when whatever that was that happened happened But I think he's pretty smart because of the words he uses and the structure of his senses Showed that he's smart And and that that structure doesn't change throughout the whole interview that this and the structuring of a sentence We'll go into that detail if you want to but the way he presents all this doesn't change at all And he's pretty much set in the expressions. We're gonna see we see almost everything that we're gonna see in this first one Throughout the video not much of that changes at all. I'm not seeing deception cues the head check know like Greg said it is trying to get away from the Expressing the negativity of it, but the same time he does it so often it's part of his baseline So we're gonna see that the whole time as well. So it's gonna be hard to nail down something He's not really asking anything during this about being Honest or not being honest. So we we're not really seeing much there, but we see this throughout the whole the entire Set of these videos. He's pretty much the same the whole there's a couple of changes in there Which we'll talk about but he's pretty much the same throughout the whole thing mark. What do you got? Yeah, so so I agree the the smile there for me is an entertaining smile It's put on there on purpose in order to well So the Latin for for entertainers from entretenir to meet means to hold together It's there to kind of keep us engaged all the time And so when things go differently for him, we see it just collapse and drop really really quickly and we're gonna see that I think throughout On the word young, I think I see disgust and and potentially an edge of contempt To this idea of I was young so that kind of interests me there's some anger for me the top lip Titans on His his speech so when he's talking about Kennedy's Speech so there's a sense of Remembering that anger to what Kennedy said but this idea of he I think he's There may be an element of yeah of true disgust around what he did at that time Now I could now of course. I realize that and we see the expression collapse at that point And he can't entertain us any more and and hold our attention. I wish I could reverse all my actions Concerning Robert Kennedy and he hits that hard and we see a bitter taste in his mouth as well So so I'm seeing some some strong possibilities that there may be an edge of I don't know whether remorse but but Distaste and disgust around what he did it in the past here Yeah, and and a put on smile in order to entertain us. I think chase it that might be around Practicing for the parole board and and and practicing for here's my chance to get out to the public that that I'm remorseful And I'm a I'm a good guy in the end. That's all I got on that one Well, I would leave you with one other thing if you grow up in a place where there's conflict where there's conflict You're going to learn to put the right face on the right thing if all of us have been to war You know that everybody is always friendly because they think they need to be and if you're in occupied or what whatever You want to call his situation? He would learn that early in his life, right? Really a point. Yeah cool One speech that sets you off doesn't doesn't deserve a terrible fate like that. No, I I agree and I sincerely regret My my actions for that. I was young. I was you know immature. I was wild I I I really didn't have the the ability to sit back and reflect on it as just the one speech one perhaps one pandering speech to a You know a potential block of voters whom he was appealing to and now of course I realized that and I wish that I could reverse all my actions concerning Robert Kennedy. We good then. Yeah you But why did Robert Kennedy the the friend of the downtrodden? Become the focus of this hatred Because to me he was my hero. He was my champion He was the protector and the defender of the downtrodden and the disadvantaged and I felt that I was one and To have him say that he was going to send 50 phantom jets to Israel To deliver nothing but death and destruction on my countryman that seemed as story were a betrayal So and it was sad for me to to accept and it was hard for me to accept and just didn't and then my all my hopes Were focused on Robert Kennedy. I was his supporter That was the quality that Robert Kennedy stood for was hope There was that lots of hope it at the same time saying you know and this is the part that really really sort of angers me All right chase. What do you got? So it's clear we can absolutely see him smiling through some emotional pain here and When he's saying I felt that I was the one who was downtrodden I felt like one of those people you see some glabella flexion which Greg could probably demonstrate Which indicates disagreement or anger and there's a micro expression of disgust at Death and destruction and when he says the word countryman keep in mind that his original Palestinian citizen is still intact. So he kept his citizenship and never became a US citizen even though he'd lived here Almost his whole life Move here when he was 12 and I can't say what I'm really seeing here without going into probably some three-hour monologue about What transpired in this case because I'm tempted to every time you watch one of these videos I want to shoot off on the LAPD medical examiner or you know some of the evidence is in the case But I'll leave it at that Greg Yeah, so a couple of things number one He almost goes to full-blown Arab culture eye contact almost at one point Which is riveting when he's talking to you and telling you something But 20 years in a prison will fix that for you because the last thing you were doing prison He used to go and do I lock with another prisoner because that's confrontation, especially in American culture He's not a giant guy. There's probably some pretty giant guys in the prison He's in I'm sure that plays some into his eye contact But if you'll watch he does some emotional eye accessing I think you're starting to see him well up with how he felt at that time now whether he killed Kennedy or Somebody else did not important in this discussion, but you see him starting to well up his breathing Increases fairly rapidly He shifts to telling he does emotional accessing breaks away looks back at him starts to talk his breathing comes up He shifts to telling his cadence increases and his tone starts to go down and chase I think it's a little more than even a micro expression I think his nose is pretty pronounced in that arch in his brow gets pretty damn pronounced And he shakes is she's shaking his head and condemning and then there's contempt is that left side of his face Rises a little he does riveted eye contact with a break as he's sending his message and I think you can't I See a feeling of betrayal here everything. He's talking about here's this hero and then suddenly all this negativity comes out When you worship somebody and they let you down. This is what you get. That's what I see Mark, what do you got? Yeah, absolutely. I see anger before he talks about betrayal That may speak to something of a possible Motive we absolutely get the that entertaining smile drop away on I was one of the downtrodden and we get anger discussed contempt so again There's there's some real potential emotional reasoning for for this now It interests me that downtrodden is a metaphor that he mirrors from David Frost David Frost set who's the interviewer here sets up the metaphor of the downtrodden He mirrors that I'm always very careful if I if I Hear people especially if they're incarcerated mirroring other people's metaphors It triggers me that I they may not be able to make up their own metaphors that can in some cases speak to a certain Personality type so I'm gonna keep that in my mind as as I go along Also, he has already elevated a figure to Heroic messianic status and he's already said that they they They betrayed him and there was a loss of hope and he gives anger on that now. Also. There's that there's some certain psychological types Who will elevate figures and then those figures will be demoted and there's huge amounts of uncontrollable? Anger that will happen around around that so again that that signals to me Maybe we want it we want to watch out to see how you know, is that happening a little bit more does he mirror? More metaphors as well So a few little indicators there that might help us look at personality type Here and if you want to look out for those personality types Just run a Google of what I've described you there and you know, you'll find some kind of DSM Description heading up for you around that Scott. What do you got on this one? All right. Yeah, you guys are nailed all this stuff the expressions we're seeing are anger disgust concern sadness We're seeing all this stuff and his cadence speed speeds up that starts getting Quicker at this point the way he talks is is the length of his of one sense become shorter because he's getting faster as That is he's retelling his story That's for the billionth time the same thing up for the billion time. That's when this starts happening I think he's just so used to saying everything he just starts getting quicker as he goes along now You guys are right when you when he says When he talks about Bobby Kennedy, that's where we're seeing the disgust and I think this is the And when he says this double standard I think this is what the source of his anger is or was on that I still think he feels that because he feels betrayed and everything we're seeing body language wise the deep breaths and The as he's recalling the information This I think this is a reason he's so mad because he feels betrayed Because he bought the story that he was being told by by the politician I think he's really mad because he because he says again and again that They're getting ready to go bomb His people in other words. It was really it's really uh, that's I think that's what the If I was gonna say that he had done something and they had done this I would say that's why because through anger and that would be what I'd point to but there are two parts of This and second part will be coming up in just a couple minutes All right be good. Hey when we go back and watch the first video you go back and watch the first video and look at his Smile there and look at his smile here. His smile here looks like my ex-mother-in-law smiling at me It's steely and hard. It's not a smile. It's it's creepy-looking. Go look But why did Robert Kennedy that the friend of the downtrodden? Become the focus of this patriot because to me he was my hero. He was my champion He was the protector and the defender of the downtrodden and the disadvantaged and I felt that I was one and To have him say that he was going to send 50 phantom jets to Israel To deliver nothing but death and destruction on my countrymen that seemed as story were a betrayal So and it was sad for me to to accept and it was hard for me to accept and just didn't and then my all my hopes Were focused on Robert Kennedy. I was his supporter That was the quality that Robert Kennedy stood for was hope There was that loss of hope it had at the same time said you know, and this is the part that really really sort of angers me That was the quality that Robert Kennedy stood for was hope There was that loss of hope it at the same time say, you know, and this is the part They're really they really sort of angers me that this this double standard of of the politicians and particularly Bobby Kennedy. On the one hand, during the 60s, during the campaign, he was all in favor of stopping the war in Vietnam and he wants to bring our boys home. And in the next breath, he wants to send more bombs and more phantom jets to Israel to kill human beings but Palestinians in this instance. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so double standard, discussed an anger on double standard, Bobby Kennedy, we see quite a pronounced nostril flare on that for anger. So in the images that we're already getting, it feels like it's setting up quite a good motive, essentially, you know, regardless of whether you think he shot somebody or didn't shoot somebody, it seems like there's a strong emotional motive potentially there, hard K on kill. So that's really a motive as well. He tries, I think, to put back on that, what I will call an entertaining smile and entertaining for potentially a number of reasons why that might be being put on and it drops on Palestinians in this instant. So again, something very important, obviously about Palestinians, double standards from his hero, discussed an anger to Bobby Kennedy. You know, in those last two videos, we're getting quite a good motive, emotional motive building up here. Chase, what do you got on this one? Yeah, I think this is mostly truthful, what we're seeing here. And when I say that, I mean, he believes what he's saying. And his eye contact is a little interesting here. The closer he gets to the end, the more eye contact he's making here. And the eye contact on his key points is outside of his baseline, which is interesting. And keep in mind, he's been up for parole 16 times or I'm not sure how many in this video, I think it was over a dozen here. And the parole board is definitively telling him, unless you remember exactly what happened and why you did this, you're not ever gonna get parole. And I think it's very, very strange in this video. The word and the idea of countrymen is now gone. It's out of the window completely and it's now humans. Even says in this instance, the words in this instance or just in this instance, it was Palestinians. As if it were of no consequence whatsoever, like Palestinians no longer matter, 29 seconds later, it's no longer countrymen, it's just humans. That's a big deal when we're talking about motive, that the story changes that much. Scott, what do you got? All right, so I'll Tarantino this one. Cause I'll go back to number two here in a second as a comparison. Okay, we're seeing an interesting blend of micro expressions and expressions here. We're seeing a disgust and happiness blend. We're seeing shame and sadness, anger, regret and sadness blend, which is odd when you see that, but it's regret and sadness at the same time. And then personal lips, which equals, that's when we know that equals or suggests, denotes, disagreement. And then that fake smile. So when we go back to number two and comparison of the two, and the first two seconds is when we see or the first 10 seconds is when we see all those micro expressions I was just talking about. First two seconds. And the second one, we see all those again as well, not all in micro expressions, but we see them in there as well. So I don't think this is set up, I don't think he's trying to do that every time, but we are going over the same information as you were in the second one basically, just a little bit more in depth. So I think again, we're seeing anger here from that going to bomb people. And I think that was his reason for being so angry. And especially when he said he was sending the Phantom Jets to Israel. That's where most of it lies. And then his mask or his show faces when I started labeling it as that, is an expression of, that's when he's talking about his purpose, I think. And that not the anger part, but the part where he's smiling to a big, that's when he's almost trying to sneak in his purpose for doing that if he was gonna be the one to do it. But that's where his anger's hiding right in there. And that's why we see that interesting blend of all those little micro expressions in there from both videos. And it goes back to his show face again. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so a couple of things. Culture is important. We can never forget that. And in Middle Eastern culture, you're more liable to be polite because politics are a big topic of discussion. If you ever go to the Middle East and you wanna go talk politics, you go drink tea, all the men are sitting around and it's politics, politics, politics. And it can get heated, but not angry. So in my exposure now, I've not lived my whole life in the Middle East, but in my exposure, most of those guys, and they would be very polite until they were escalated. And this feels a lot like that polite up to escalation thing to me. I've seen many times. His cadence changes, watch his neck, watch the pulse in his neck. You can see that vein rising and I'm not gonna call out which one it is my anatomy is failing, I forget which one it is. His eyes are moist, very moist suddenly. Before you didn't see tears, the kind of forming that kind of tear, there's contempt and sarcasm in his smile. His smile is now suddenly very steely, not like it was in the beginning. And his eyes are cast down right and then he comes back to look at you. Regardless of whether we think he actually pulled the trigger that killed Robert F. Kennedy, he was in the room with Robert F. Kennedy with a gun, how he got there. That's a whole nother story and he'll tell us that story. But it pretty much you can realize that going there with a gun is probably a bad idea. Today, you wouldn't get anywhere near somebody as important as Robert F. Kennedy. But in those days, it was a little easier to get close to people even though his brother had been killing out that long before. So I think it's important to pay attention to the culture, it's important to pay attention Chase to his point. He's been in prison for this long. He makes eye contact because that's part of the culture. He breaks eye contact because it's something he's learned. But I think we can see that he's feeling contempt. He's feeling anger. He's feeling frustration. Even if there were another shooter, which I don't know, that doesn't mean he was not angry enough to go there and do this, whatever caused it. That's it. That's all I got. That was the quality that Robert Kennedy stood for, was hope. There was that loss of hope at the same time, Sam. You know, and this is the part that really sort of angers me that this double standard of the politicians particularly Bobby Kennedy. On the one hand, during the 60s, during the campaign, he was all in favor of stopping the war in Vietnam and he wants to bring our boys home. And in the next breath, he wants to send more bombs and more phantom jets to Israel to kill human beings. But Palestinians in this instance. All right, cool. Go. The months before the assassination, Sir Han kept a diary. In it, he wrote over and over again, RFK must die. I don't even refer to them as diaries, really. They were just scribblings, more than detailed entries in a diary. You said RFK must die by June the 5th, things like that. But I mean, throughout that period, were your feelings just getting stronger and stronger than it was? They must have been, obviously, but I can't say that there was any deliberateness to the killing. I mean, not all my feelings were drumming towards that goal of assassinating Bobby Kennedy. No, but it was just in general. And it wasn't just typical of me as an Arab. I think that a whole Arab community in this country felt downcast and crestfallen by the defeat of the, by their defeat in the Middle East. Chase, what do you got? I said it all before we started, but you got mad that we hadn't started yet. So here's what I got. During the reporter's questioning about the diaries, Sir Han's blink rate is upward of 70. I think it's an 81. It slows down, look at my notes. I think it's an 81. I can't read, but it slows down as it begins to answer here. And just keep in mind for you, if you're ever talking to a person, blink rate increases with stress and decreases with focus. And that focus could be I'm focused on a threat or I'm focused on something that's very interesting to me. That's like a good movie. But a lot of what we're seeing here is indicative of a memorized statement, which also does not make it deceptive. He's been rehearsing this stuff for a very long time for parole boards and that does not make it deceptive. But I find it interesting that he's unable to explain his feelings whatsoever, but he's more able to answer questions about those feelings. And even just saying, well, it must have been or and there's some uncertainty about motive here. There's micro expressions here of anger, disgust, they're flashing on the face right during the discussion of the feelings at the time leading up to the assassination of RFK. And keep in mind, there's a whole lot of data here that we're not gonna get into whether or not he did it or not, but he is conflicted in the stories that he's been telling have changed and evolved over the years to this new narrative that is what the parole board has been asking him to say for decades, several decades. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so it gets quite, so there's a real change for me in this moment and it's kind of hard now for me to track what's happening here because in watching him and listening to him and mirroring what's going on, I kind of lose my train of thought. It becomes a little bit chaotic. So I'm just kind of throw ideas at you because that's all I can do with this. It's hinted there of some kind of what I might term as psychotic writing going on and that he has no memory of it. So I might call that automatic psychotic writing. I just wanna throw that idea out there. He doesn't remember doing what could easily be termed as writing that's coming out of psychosis. There's hints of paranoid schizophrenia there, essentially the idea of double standard betrayal, distrust, hatred, okay? But dependence on a savior figure. That hints to me around borderline personality disorder, okay? Now, this is not a diagnosis by any means, but there are elements in there that are pointing to psychosis, schizophrenia and borderline could be, and they meld and merge in all kinds of ways and they're on a spectrum and you know that. But those elements can precipitate into what we call predatory violence. I planned acts of violence against the perpetrator of the betrayal. Now, I've thrown a lot of ideas out there because he gets very chaotic for me around this but there is a massive shift between who we had before and who we have now who cannot remember what looks like a psychotic event. What looks like, I don't know whether it is or not but it points towards that. Greg, what do you have on this one? Yeah, so I'm gonna say this and we'll just have to take it out and up but his ass is in a sling is what this is. He's doing a duplicitous story to cover up some information is what I see. I mean just, yes, I wrote that down but he minimizes like very quickly. Oh, it was more like a doodle pad. It wasn't really a journal. Who cares? If you're writing down Bobby Kennedy must die. Try that tomorrow and let somebody find it on your desktop about a president or presidential candidate and see where it takes you. So he has to come up with it. I'm not sure I remember but he also has to be helpful. The reason the stress rate goes up in my opinion is because I'm about to go before the parole board and Frost is asking me, hey, do you remember planning to kill Bobby Kennedy? Well, what am I supposed to say? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I wrote that down. I was preparing. So I think you put him in a position where he has to say something. But mantras matter. If you write something enough, if you write something over and over and over and over and roll it over and over and over in your head, it becomes part of your operating system. It just does. We all know that. I mean, if you chase you and I were indoctrinated by the military, that works. We know it works. Now, you know hypnosis stuff on all that. I know nothing about hypnosis, but I know mantras work. I know when people repeat things to themselves, they impact them. And you can't delete them. Like, if you're watching this right now, finish the sentence, marry, marry, quite. Yeah, exactly. And even if you try to delete it, no matter how hard you try it, it's there forever. Well, it's worse than that. You can repeat jingles from cereal and soap from your childhood. I'm 60 almost, and I can repeat jingles of soap, things I didn't even care about because in your head it's stuck there and it's routine. So he minimizes. He has that nervous smile. His mouth is suddenly dry. This is an indicator that he's on the ropes or something. He shows disgust. His blink rate goes up. And then he goes to the blame sharing of all Palestinians felt this way. Yeah, but all of them didn't go shoot Bobby Kennedy. So there is the problem. Do you really want to share that with your countrymen with Palestinian Americans? But he doesn't do that. He does a lip compression. And that's when you can see that he's feeling stress around this whole thing. And he uses a large word crossfallen, but he's well read. You can't miss that. And when you learn English as a second language, you're more likely to have more flowery vocabulary. I've often been told when I would go to the Middle East where people are speaking street language, and you come in and you sound like something really proper. They just look at you like, where'd you learn that word? Because it's so odd. So I think you see a lot of that in this guy. I think he has a duplicitous story. He's hiding some facts. And whether or not somebody encouraged him to do it, that's another story. Here's what I see. Scott, what do you got? All right, great. This is, I like this one the most, because for me, I've seen a lot of things that we don't see very often. One of them being the part where he says, I can't say there's any deliberateness to the killing. We see what's called an emotional emblem. And the emotional emblem is being used as a conversational punctuator. And the emotional emblem he's using is discussed, but he's not really feeling discussed. He's showing us, like again, I've talked about it before, when you say all the food there was horrible. You make the disgust face, but you don't feel disgusted right now because you're not dealing with the food. So he's showing his disgust for it and punctuating that with that expression. In other words, with that emblem of, the emblem of disgust, not necessarily having real disgust. Now out of all 100 plus shows we've had, this time we hear this guy whisper, yes, quieter than anybody else, especially when he's admitting to have done something. So that's after he says, when he says, I recall that, and he says, yes, if you'll look really closely, he says, yes, really, it's a real, real small. You can hear it really, really super quiet. Even, who's that girl that we did? And she said, yes, like that. She whispered yes to Dr. Phil. Oh yeah, that was Aaron Kappie. Aaron Kappie. That's right. My favorite was crazy, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty quiet. That was fairly quiet. This one, this is gonna be hard to top. We're looking for this one. Now, there's one part where he blows air up into his lip like this, like that. Not that big, but that's the idea. That's because, and Frost says, he's talking about throughout that period and he's ready for the question. He's like, yeah, here we go. His answer is loaded, it starts too soon. Now we're not dealing with anything as far as being deceptive or being honest here. He's just telling what he thinks, but that goes to show you what happens when someone's told a story over and over and over again. And he's tired of answering this and he's showing that slips because it doesn't make a big deal about it, but watch that upper lip. That's when we'll see that happen. He's tired of saying, telling the same story over and over and over again. The expressions we're seeing is that smile again, but it's that mask or that show face just to look pleasant as he's going through this because he knows it's key. This is important to him. He's trying to sell this to David Frost. I'll leave it there. I'll do much of those little things, but I'll leave it right there because it's gonna be boring, quick. All right, we're good. The months before the assassination, Sir Han kept a diary. In it, he wrote over and over again, RFK must die. I don't even refer to them as diaries, really. They were just scribblings more than detailed entries in a diary. You said RFK must die by June the 5th. But I mean, throughout that period, were your feelings just getting stronger and stronger or what? They must have been, obviously, but I can't say that there was any deliberateness to the killing. I mean, not all my feelings were, you know, were drumming towards that goal of assassinating Bobby Kennedy. No, but it was just in general. And it wasn't just typical of me as an Arab. I think that a whole Arab community in this country felt, you know, downcast and crestfallen by their defeat in the Middle East. Yes, ma'am. But again, this terrible punishment for one speech about Phantom Jets, I mean, haunts people, I think. It does haunt people. But suppose that you were a black or Hispanic living in America and had Robert Kennedy as your ideal champion, as your savior in America. And had you all of a sudden heard him say that he was gonna send some 50 jets to destroy all the black or Hispanic populations in this country, how would you have felt? And what would you have done if you thought that you could do something about it, you know? And that's what you thought. You could do something about it. That's exactly, well, imagine though that if you were a German or if you were a Jew in Hitler's Germany, and if you had the opportunity to assassinate Hitler, I'm sure that they would have tried to do that. What, to me, I felt that- But there's no comparison between Hitler and Robert Kennedy. I agree, I agree. But the principle, so it seems to be similar. Wow. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so once again, we get the mirroring of the metaphor. Sir David Frost puts forward it haunts people and Sir Han says, yes, I think, yes, it does haunt people. Again, that always alerts me that we may have a certain personality type that likes to mirror metaphors especially, because it's poetic and they often don't have the capacity for that poetry. And Chase, you were saying earlier that you caught him quoting which writer earlier on? What's that? You were saying, yes, he quoted Fitzgerald earlier on. Oh, yeah, sorry. Yeah, he quoted Fitzgerald. Yeah, yeah, so that's kind of interesting. He's collecting poetic ideas and then mirroring them immediately. Anger and disgust, again, just as a little aside, he evokes something we call Godwin's Law, which is the longer a conversation keeps going, the more likely somebody's gonna mention and allude to and link it to Adolf Hitler and Nazis. And so straight into Godwin's Law on film number five here. Just as a general rule, so you all know that is never a good way of winning an argument. In fact, Godwin's Law says the moment you do that, you lose the argument. So there's an element here of him liking to mirror other people's language, especially poetic and going for what we now know to be one of the most naive ways of trying to win an argument, which is to go, well, just like kind of Hitler and the Nazis, isn't it? So I'll end my piece there. Chase, what have you got on this one? I think it's pretty fascinating. There's no discussion of how he felt at all. At all. It's relating to how the reporter would feel or how most people would feel. And this smile, I think, is his way of getting along with authority. And after that many years in prison, that kind of rewrites your behavior. And his agreement with all these metaphors is still unwilling, completely unwilling to discuss his own motives openly or clearly by any measure, which I think is very interesting to me. Scott. All right, I think in this one, if you're into micro expressions like in the second video we saw two in the first, ten in the first two seconds, this is fascinating, you'll really get into this. Because what we're seeing, during this we're seeing the lowest blink rate of all the videos. He's almost staring at him the whole time. And I think it's because this is the most important and telling of all the questions, because this is why he did it, supposedly. He's saying why he supposedly did it. We see him at the top, he adjusts in his chair because he's preparing to give this answer and he knows it's important, he's gotta sell it. So we see that adjustment in there. And then after he says America, and suppose you're a black or Hispanic living in America, we see the classic anger cue there. Classic stuff in their micro expression. So that's where you're gonna see that one. Then he says, when he gets to the part where he says, when he was gonna send 50 jets, again we see that seed adjustment and that indicates he's angry as well, it indicates he's angry there. Then we see the micro expression of anger on your savior. And we just talked about him seeing major savior. And then when he said, I heard him say, we see a micro expression there as well. You have to go back through there and watch these, but that's where we're seeing those. Now, all of these things are happening, a lot of these are happening really, really fast. We're seeing 10 micro expressions of anger in less than 30 seconds, plus nine of disgust and anger. Six of anger, four of disgust, so that's 10, not nine. It's unbelievable how much is going on in this cat's mind, how much he's fighting something in there. So maybe as the discussion we were having a few minutes to go offline, maybe that's what's played into this. Maybe he's being made to say this so he can get out. Maybe he knows he has to say this because there's a little war in there going on with what he's saying and what he wants to say and what he doesn't say, but what he is saying. Sounds like that Dr. Phil thing. He knew I knew, he knew, I knew, I knew, or whatever it is. He knew I knew, I knew, he knew, I knew, and he knew, I knew, he knew, I knew. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, so what I see here is this really isn't about the jets, this is about something else. I get the same thing, the jets is a nice talk, but his discomfort and him moving and watching his respiration increase in his eyes lock, all that's agitation, those are great indicators. I interrogated people for a long time. That's a great indicator that it's time for me to drive harder and it works wonderfully. When I see that, if I were interrogating this guy, I would use something called pride and ego down right there and I would say, oh yeah, I get it, you're trying to save the world. It's a shame that you sucked at what you did and I'd go at him to push him really hard to make him respond. It's natural when a person starts to show that agitation and you poke on them, they come back at you harder, it works wonderfully. He also then adapts, touches his head, I think at one point and you see his cadence of movement start to get different. He's starting to get wooden and everything's changing. That's a great indicator that a person is starting to feel fight or flight and that you're inside where they want you to be. And he also does this tilt of the head, try to see if you tilt your head too and link up. That's instinctive for us. If you at work tomorrow, there's someone that you're linked to and you have kind of already a bond with. If you'll tilt your head, you'll notice they'll mirror you and we do it instinctively. It's in our nature to find out whether somebody's connected. The other thing is when he talks about Nazis, even he is uncertain. It's kind of the same thing, isn't it? So Mark, he knows it's the dumbest way to win an argument and he drops off. That's all I got, I'll leave the rest of it. You guys have already covered it. All right. But again, this terrible punishment for one speech about Phantom Jets, I mean, haunts people, I think. It does haunt people. But suppose that you were a black or Hispanic living in America and had Robert Kennedy as your ideal champion, as your savior in America. And had you all of a sudden heard him say that he was gonna send some 50 jets to destroy all the black or Hispanic populations in this country, how would you have felt and what would you have done if you thought that you could do something about it? And that's what you thought, you could do something about it. That's exactly, well, imagine though that if you were a German or if you were a Jew in Hitler's Germany and if you had the opportunity to assassinate Hitler, I'm sure that they would have tried to do that. What, to me, I felt that- But there's no comparison between Hitler and Robert Kennedy. I agree, I agree. But the principle, so it seems to be similar. This guy sure talks like he's smart. You said in the trial, I killed RFK with 20 years of malice or forethought. Now you obviously did not know him. What were you trying to say? I tried to really show that the Palestinian problem did not just suddenly erupt with the shooting of Bobby Kennedy, that there was a history to it that dated back to 1947, 1948, when the state of Israel was created forcibly on the Arabs and when the Palestinian Arabs were forced to evacuate and be expelled from their homes and lands to accommodate the new arrivals, the new Jewish arrivals in Palestine. I feel that having experienced what I have experienced in Palestine, atrocities, the killings, the violence, and just the uprooting of massive populations, it did have an impact on me, I suppose, more than it did on others. By saying this, I'm not trying to discount the seriousness of the killing. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, if you start in the very beginning, he's apprehensive, you see his blank rate increase before he starts to talk, and he has a sticky hand movement, almost like his hand is glued to his leg and he tries to move it and it kind of jerks as he moves. That's fight or flight. When we say it's fight or flight, when your adrenal cortex kicks in, when you have that, and when the amygdala gives you, there's a threat, your body starts dumping all these hormones in, respiration increases, your body is then trying to prepare for fight, and so you'll move more rigidly, more wooden, your elbows stay close by your sides, your pupils dilate, your blink rate may increase as your eyelids dry out and they're trying to wet the eye. I'll just leave it at that. Well, for that part, his cadence is wood and fight or flight is up. Watch his respiration. The culture part of it is starting to kick in when he says evacuate in that long vowel. A lot of people will jump and say there's a long vowel. That's Arabic. There are three vowels in Arabic and when one is written out, it's pronounced very long. So no big deal there, I don't think. He's annoyed, he's on message, and he's telling. He's a little frustrated with the interviewer and he's got some disgust and contempt when he's talking about Palestine, talking about all the things he's seen. And then finally, he's aware of how he sounds and he's trying to get his message across here. Guys, whether the big conspiracy question is whether he killed Rob Rifkin or not, the big conspiracy question isn't whether he took a firearm to the hotel and shot rounds. So this is all going to be an interesting one. We're looking at that part, not at who killed who. To quote John Cleese, let's not quibble over who killed who. And Chase, what do you got? Yeah, there's one thing that's consistent in the behavior here is that he is reluctant to say what he wants to say. You can see it in the first five seconds you can see his face kind of grimace as he's talking. And keep in mind, I'll just remind you if you don't know his childhood was fraught with severely traumatic experiences. He was exposed to combat and death and horrible things, which makes him very prone as an adult to dissociation and has a higher, what we call a dissociative capacity than most people. And came to the USA when he was 12 with all of that stuff. So we're seeing that come out here in some of his behavior. His brow narrows down when it's speaking about this experience when he was in Palestine. And I think everything he's saying here is mostly truthful. His behavior is on message and he is being truthful about these traumatic experiences. Scott? All right, his cadence and tone are fairly monotone here. And that's indicating he's told the story again just throughout the years over and over and over. He's kind of tired of telling it. I agree with you. There's a little fight going on there. Now expressions we're taking a look at again, these are great blends of expressions like a smile and concern blend. As you go through this, watch for some of these things when we replay it. Watch for these blends of two different expressions happening at the same time. And they'll, one will start and the other will come with it sometimes. And sometimes they'll both just go together at the same time. We're seeing a blend of disgust and anger in here as well. The most interesting thing to me was, and this has nothing to do with whether he did anything or not, when he's talking and he says something, did have an impact on me, I suppose. I suppose it's Southern. If you'll listen to that, it sounds like Greg's thing jumped. I can always tell when people have been over there from the deep South or from the family that is from further deeper South than Greg is living in now. Don't get much further, yeah. So, cause you revert right back to that on certain words. And on this one, he says, I suppose like an old man, like an old Southern man. So I don't know if he's been hanging out with one or what. But listen to that, because you can definitely hear him say, I suppose like that almost, and that Southern draw, it's tight and it's not as long, but it's there. So I'm just pointing that out because he's hanging out with somebody from the South. I'll leave it at that. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so again, smile falls away, the entertaining smile falls away. And I think we're getting some of the fastest blends through different facial gestures that we've probably ever seen. Just as you're saying, Scott, you've got anger and disgust and they're flowing in and out super quick, indicted eyebrows, concern, dislike, atrocities, violence, killings. There's some hard stress on those. Speaking to your point there, Chase, around trauma and part of his argument here is to go, look, I experienced this maybe somewhat more than others. And now he's pointing towards, that's probably why I did what I did. Now, there's some validity to that because high levels of trauma are gonna precipitate more possibility of borderline personality disorder and your social behavior disorders, dissociation, just as you're saying there, Chase. So there's some validity to what he might be saying there. If we were looking at what do we think his psychological motives might be and how might they precipitate into a state of mind that will organize violence right up front or could commit violence and not remember that that occurred. So I think whether he knows that or not, it's well thought out what he's saying there in terms of here's why it happened and here's why somebody like me might do something and I might not remember that that happened. There, that's what I got on that one. You said in the trial I killed RFK with 20 years of malice or forethought. Now, you obviously did not know him. What were you trying to say? I tried to really show that the Palestinian problem did not just suddenly erupt with the shooting of Bobby Kennedy, that there was a history to it that dated back to 1947, 1948 when the state of Israel was created forcibly on the Arabs and when the Palestinian Arabs were forced to evacuate and be expelled from their homes and lands to accommodate the new arrivals, the new Jewish arrivals in Palestine. I feel that having experienced what I have experienced in Palestine, atrocities, the killings, the violence and just the uprooting of massive populations did have an impact on me, I suppose, more than it did on others. By saying this, I'm not trying to discount the seriousness of the killing. When you went to Death Row, was that a surprise or did you think, well, if this had happened in an Arab country it would have been an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and I'd be dead anyway? It's an interesting question. If I had shot Robert Kennedy in an Arab country, I seriously doubt that any Arab Jewry or Arab court would have convicted and if they did the punishment would have been nothing more than a slap on the wrist, knowing the dynamics involved that Robert Kennedy was an advocate of full support for Israel. All right, Chase, what do you got? I think he agrees with the emotional content of his message here, but I think he's reluctant to say a lot of these things. You can see this repressed anger, the suppressed grimace on his face as he's going through this. I think he does not want to say this and I don't think it's because he said it so many times. But I think he believes in the emotional content of what he's saying. He dodges the question completely and reframes it pretty damn well, I think. And a lot of this stuff that we're hearing here is rehearsed after decades. There's these micro expressions of anger and restraint and almost disgust on the nose. It's hard because there's so much blending. There's a lot of stuff going on here. There's mixed emotions. Let's just say mixed emotions. And these mixed emotions are what we very commonly see in people who are either A, saying something they don't really believe or don't agree with, or B, this is one of those videos where somebody's making a hostage video and they say, oh, I'm being treated very well and everything's perfectly nice and they're being very kind to me. And you'll see mixed double facial expressions as Scott calls blending. And I got that from Eggman, so that's not mine. Yeah, or Mark might call it a Vitamixing. Yeah. Facial expression all the time, though. Yeah. Yeah. So, Mark, what do you got? Vitamix. Yeah. There's just a complexity there for me. It's going through. So, I mean, nothing I think that we haven't seen before, but it's more of the same, a lot of complexity there. They're going through a lot of emotions, which, you know, I don't know exactly why that is, but I know something is up there, quite complex going on in his mind around this. And so it becomes disconcerting, I think, for us as an audience when that entertaining smile certainly drops and he's going through all of these very, very negative emotions very, very quickly. We get a real, you know, it's a good mask of, it's a pretty good mask of pleasure and entertainment and enjoyment and engagement. And then, dang, it's gone and within seconds you've gone through anger, disgust, disdain, concern, very, very quickly. Disconcerting for you as a viewer to see that because the brain just goes, I don't get it. And he doesn't go, oh, I don't get it. That must be good. He must be a good guy. It goes, I don't get it. That's really bad. He must be a bad guy. So we always default to the negative when it's too complex, it's too confusing for us. Interesting thing for me is how he really, you see him reset himself on that question to your earlier point, Greg, you know, that might be a moment where you go in harder on that. You know, David Frost doesn't go in any harder and Sirhan gets to reframe that question just as you said there, Chase. It feels to me the reset might be that it is an interesting question and he hasn't been asked that before. It may be something that is going, that's an interesting cultural question that Frost has come up with there that's never been posed to him. And it is quite skillful that he goes, yeah, I'll take that one over here and I will get out my ultimately political diatribe. You know, I'll go for my political thesis on this because I want the audience to know that it was, there's some justification to my actions. You know, that I'm not, I am justified in this but people can probably see that it would be justified to be angry about this and to be upset about it. Now, that's what I got on that one. Who got left? Greg, I think, yeah? Yeah, so a couple of things. Yes, he masterfully avoids the question but he also distances from the question that that's an interesting question. I've heard that, I can't tell you many times in an interrogation room when a person wants time to think. So he's trying to think of the answer and I think he's probably had elements of this answer many times. Chase, I'm with you. I think he doesn't want to say something. He don't know what it is. And the reason I think he doesn't want to say something is so in Arabic vowels are not even written in the newspaper. They're just not there. So when Arabs speak, they use consonants. That's a word that quickly. And as he's trying to get the information out and get away from it, he switches to that very short vowel to speech pattern and we don't hear that long supposed that you were talking about earlier, Scott. We don't hear any vowels that are long. His consonants are clicking right along, more like Arabic than English. So he's trying to get away from something. He's short. He's curt. His cadence has shifted. He's on message for what he wants to say and all of that body language that we're talking about, all of those changes. If you have children, you've seen this before. Children are little subjects. They're not allowed to violate your rules. You get to tell them whatever. You can make all kinds of rules for children that ordinary adults don't have to deal with. But when you're in prison, you're a little bit like a child. You're not allowed to disrespect. You're not allowed to do any of that. So if you're trying to hide emotion, that's going to go through all kinds of things. When you're annoyed, you certainly don't want to show annoyed to a guard. You know, it's the whole, when you're a little kid and your parents tell you, I don't care what you say, I can see your body language. Well, when you're in prison, you certainly don't want to be the guy who is sending all kinds of messages to prison guards either. So all that masking, I think, causes people to rifle through lots of emotions a lot more rapidly. Just my exposure in my years of working in a prison. Scott, what do you got? All right. Oddly enough, I think we're seeing the expression of confidence here at the top of that thing. And as we go through, we are seeing the blending of emotions and our expressions. But there's not much different here. You guys have covered everything in part where he says, knowing what Robert Kennedy, that Robert Kennedy was an advocate in full support of Israel, we're back to the same expression of anger and contempt at that point. So outside of that, I mean, I'm not going to go over what you guys have gone over so far. When you went to Death Row, was that a surprise or did you think, well, if this had happened in an Arab country, it would have been an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and I'd be dead anyway? It's an interesting question. If I had shot Robert Kennedy in an Arab country, I seriously doubt that any Arab Jewry or Arab court would have convicted. And if they did, the punishment would have been nothing more than a slap on the wrist, knowing the dynamics involved that Robert Kennedy was an advocate of full support for Israel. You ready? Yeah. What happened on that terrible day? Well, after I finished my activities at the firing range, I started heading home. And on the way home, I stopped by a restaurant, Bob's Big Boy, and had dinner and socialized for a while, leaving the restaurant. I picked up, I bought a copy of the newspaper, the LA Times, and started leafing through the pages to reach the sports section. And while doing so, I noticed an advertisement announcing a parade that was planned to be held that evening, and it was to celebrate the Israeli victory of a year before. And it was to be sort of an anniversary parade for the Jewish community in LA, I take it. And that sort of incensed me. And I said, well, I have nothing else to do tonight. I'm going to go down there and see what those people are up to. All right. Greg, what do you got? He shifts in his chair right off. We don't even see him. He's shifting in his chair. He's uncomfortable. He uses some prison words, activities. You know, he says I did activities at the shooting range. You might look for a reason, but when you're in prison for 20 years, you do activities in the yard. You do activities wherever. That's just prison language. So you just don't think much of it. But his respiration is up. He does nervous laughter. He makes, he's starting to tell the story of this target of opportunity. He's agitated. There's something going on that his cadence, how he talks, is different than it has been to now. And he's looking down to the right, which we usually associate with some kind of emotional thing when he's talking about the story. It's not, I don't know whether the agitation is because of what he's talking about or because of where he's gotten to to now, because he's kind of gotten on the grid a couple of times. So who knows, can't tell exactly why, but he's certainly annoyed with this whole conversation. And he shifts one more time in the chair at the end. That's what I see. Scott, what do you got? All right. He's still telling the story he's told before, but we do see some interesting things here. And the second time he does that seat adjustment is when he says, I know it's an advertisement that he adjusted his seat because this is where he's getting p-o'd. This is where he's getting mad. You can see the anger building up in him. We see that nostril flare and a couple of micro expressions of anger and some more flair of the nostrils. I think he's getting mad here. I think this is what sort of became the trigger. If he hadn't been, if it was him, this would be one of the triggers when he said, or the beginning of it, where he says, I decided to go down there and see what they're up to. You can see it building in him. You can see him holding back that anger as he goes through this. I don't know, fellas. I mean, he's looking pretty mad during all this. And the expressions we're seeing are micro expressions of anger. His blink rate's really low. Everything's leading up to this boiling point, it looks like. So it starts off again. A lot of these start off where he's fine, everything's good, very quickly moves into, do you see the emotions rising in him and all the classic signs of him. That's why I think he could push his buttons pretty easily. Yeah. Yeah. I think the emotions are real. I think he believes what he is saying, wherever that's coming from. But a lot of the language here, I'm just going to focus on language and not the nonverbals, is very sterile and clinical. I just finished my activities at the range and then went and socialized with some friends. And while doing so, there was a parade that was planned to be held. This is clinical language. And this is book language. So on one hand, this is a memorized statement that he may have made up or rehearsed many, many times. On the other people in prison he made a lot of books, a ton of books. I worked at a maximum security for quite some time, a military maximum security area. And there's a lot of books, mostly Louis Lemour for some reason. There's a bunch of Louis Lemour books in there. They're going to fall in love at least. Yeah. Well, he's all western, western. But there's a perfect, micro expression of anger. Like Scott was saying, one of those ones you could frame shot that, whatever the name of that is, and save that for a training. That's like a training level, perfect illustration of anger. Right when he's saying I'm going to see what those people are up to at the end here. That's all I got. Mark? Yeah. So let me pick up in just one moment on that clinical language, because it's very interesting for me. In this language, I'm going to go to David Frost, where you'll see that the camera picks up a couple of self soothing gestures from him. So even the filmmakers here want you to know that this is a little unnerving for David Frost right now. Whatever this character is coming up with, they want you to know that David Frost needs to soothe himself around this. And I think that's because they want to highlight the clinical nature of this language. And I'm going to evoke Godwin's law right now to say what we're potentially being shown here is the banality of evil, which was ascribed to Adolf Ekman. And Ekman came up with something that he called, I can't remember the exact German for it, but it basically meant bureau speak, clinical language that you could use before and leading up to killing en masse, so that people felt kind of okay about it. It's okay, it's just what we do. And I think we're getting this kind of clinical language in the lead up to this murder, potentially. And it's disconcerting for us to hear somebody go and then I went for a burger and then there was a parade going on. I thought I'd head over there and see what it was like. It's just plain odd, isn't it? Just plain odd. But I want you to notice in just one moment the filmmakers are going to start playing with us a little bit more and kind of up the stakes on us on how weird this one is. But anyway, so David is finding it very, very odd at the moment what's going on here. Yeah, that's what I got for you. What happened on that terrible day? Well, after I finished my activities at the firing range, I started heading home and on the way home, I stopped by a restaurant, Bob's Big Boy, and had dinner and socialized for a while, leaving the restaurant. I picked up, I bought a copy of the newspaper, the LA Times, and started leafing through the pages to reach the sports section. And while doing so, I noticed an advertisement announcing a parade that was planned to be held that evening and it was to celebrate the Israeli victory of a year before. And it was to be sort of an anniversary parade for the Jewish community in LA, I take it. And that sort of incensed me. And I said, well, I have nothing else to do tonight. I'm going to go down there and see what those people are up to. At the time of the shooting, I was not really in full control of my senses, Mr. Frost, because I don't feel that a rational, calm, cool and a person who has his wits about him and is aware of his environment would actually pull a gun and aim it at another human being and shoot at him with the foreknowledge that after you finish shooting that that person is going to be dead. All right, I go first on this one. Get it out of the way. They're adding this unneeded, creepy vibe music to it. I mean, Chase did a whole thing on when we did, back when we did what was it, the Tiger King, how they add creepy music stuff to make it and you give it that, you know, it tells you what to think in other words or how to feel about what's happening. And that's what they're doing here. So I just think it's unneeded. And during this, he's defining the reason he needs to be paroled as it goes through this. And if what he was describing is true, I think it was at a rage when he did this and he supposedly did the shooting. And I can see it ramping up to that. I think we all see it ramping up to that and they're telling us that as well with the music. So that makes me, when they try to push you down that mouse path like that, that makes me go back against it and go, eh, because a few minutes ago I thought, well, maybe you guys are into something a little bit to the, you know, to the left there. But I think, I don't know, when they start that stuff, they're wanting us to think something specific. So I don't like that, that bugs me to death. Greg, what do you got? Yeah, he's got this working nervous smile. The sad truth is if they didn't have this Castlevania soundtrack crap going in the background, this is a normal guy. This is a guy saying, look, if I did that, I was not in my right mind. I'm not rational. And if you look, he's got normal body language. Eye contact is pretty normal. He's got a nervous smile, but that's constant normal eye contact for the culture he grew up in, that kind of thing. And I think you would see a different person if they didn't play the soundtrack to Castlevania behind you. So I want to see this more, and we will see it come back to this. There's no more pretense. It's just a nervous smile, a lot of eye contact, trying to be a rational actor is all I see. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so the music they're using is, I think, specifically to remind us of the Twilight Zone. And so I want you to think about that idea of the Twilight Zone, that moment between when the sun is up and darkness falls. They're using a structure, a cadence structure by cadence now. I mean the intervals between notes. They're using an interval structure of a 12-tone interval structure, which is first the music of the German expressionist, Schoenberg, a little bit of kind of Stravinsky-esque nature at the end to give Slavic drama to it at the end there. This, for me, evokes the idea of the early German expressionist films like Nosferatu, which includes a Sonambulist, a sleepwalker. So they're evoking the idea of somebody being dissociative. They're not in their right mind. They have gone between the state of awake and the state of asleep, and they're somewhere in between in a sleepwalk state. It's the idea, I think, that they're trying to get across. Which I think is interesting, and I'll leave it at that. Chase, what have you got for us? Even more interesting, and I'm not even going to say it here on this video, pull up your shazam for that song, and take a look at where that came from. Where did it come from? Tell me. It took me a few different times. What is it? It came from the original movie with Frank Sinatra called the Manchurian Candidate. Oh. Yeah, they did it intentionally. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I knew it was going somewhere weird, man. Yeah, it took me a while. Okay. So, he's, obviously, he's smiling during all the parts he wants to have some kind of agreement or when he's likely to bring up something that's disagreeable. And he's specifically using some of these phrases in full control of my senses. I was not in full control of my senses. And he's saying a rational, calm, cool person, and he's removing himself with this distance language who has his wits about him and is aware of his environment. And then he's like, I don't know if that person would take a gun, aim it at another human being and shoot at him. He uses the phrase shoot at him, not shoot him, which is very interesting here. And I do not think that severity softening by any measure with the foreknowledge, this is continuing his words, with the foreknowledge that after you finish shooting that person is going to be dead. This is extremely dissociative language. This is the definition of what dissociative language sounds like. And this music, whole, another level. Greg? I just... We'll go again, that's what we're doing. Did I? I don't remember. I don't think you did. All right. Yeah, this is 10, right? Yeah. It's been a long few days. Let me hit this. So yeah, he looks... So give it to me again. Okay, hold on. And... That's all I've got. Oh no, I did do this. I did do this. Yeah, you're talking like him now. I don't know whether I did it or didn't do it. It's too late at night, guys. Come on, guys. She's got up at like four this morning and headed out back home. I get it. We got finished. Jeez, man. Sorry. Okay, yeah, we're moving on. She was... Do 10 and do we need to do 11? At the time of the shooting, I was not really in full control of my senses, Mr. Frost. Because I don't feel that a rational, calm, cool and a person who has his wits about him and is aware of his environment would actually pull a gun and aim it at another human being and shoot at him with the foreknowledge that after you finish shooting that that person is going to be dead. I'm told that he was scheduled to traverse a route that was totally different from the one that he actually took. And had he saved for the stroke of luck or fate, had he taken the original route which he was intended for him to take, he might have been saved and he might have been, you know, become President of the United States. I was never part of any conspiracy. For me, to enter into a plot with another person to kill a third is totally out of the question. If you knew enough about human nature as I have experienced in prisons where two people had gone into a conspiracy and one of them ends up on death row and the other one ends up a state witness. Looking at it in retrospect, I wish that there was a conspiracy because had there been one, he would have aborted as soon as it was, you know, begun and Robert Kennedy would still be alive. Okay, Chase, what do you got? So when he started to use his language, I'm told that I think he's insinuating or suggesting that he wasn't or couldn't have been lying in wait. And it's important to know that he's using language that might be suggestive of that without saying any of it overtly and he's saying nothing about his own innocence at all. So this behavior, wishing that RFK took another route is enthusiastic and remorseful at the same time. There's genuine head movement and recall, it's different than the rest of his behavior throughout the rest of the video. And there's a genuine desire for approval here in saying that he might have been saved. I believe it anyway. I'm the first one going. I don't know if you guys are going to disagree with me. But there's grief and shame at the same time when he mentions the word president. His head goes down. He has a chin boss tightening up, tiny little micro movement of the chin boss. But I think it's interesting that he very vehemently emphasizes that he himself was not part of any conspiracy. He uses the word I very boldly and strongly compared to every other part of his speech ever. And he excludes himself from other, what he calls persons that may have been involved in this thing. And I think that's an interesting statement that should be maybe an orange flag. We'll call it an orange flag. Scott. Okay. I'm spent, man. Let's go on. Let's go on to Mark. What do you got? Yeah, Roger that chase. So the stress on I was never a part of any conspiracy. I would dig deeper into that. That interests me. Greg, maybe there's something cultural there. I'm not sure, but it certainly triggers something in me. There's a big head movement for if but a turn of fate. So he's there's this idea of a couple of different timelines going on here. Again, signals some kind of, you know, disassociative state. Potentially there's a huge narrative here of of a champion of all mankind. A world savior. It could have been saved themselves. That's a big story like that is a massive idea. That's a massive idea that I don't think I've even come across before if but for a turn of fate. If not for the fates, the savior could have been saved. That's a massive story. And so, and so, you know, to kind of tie this together and insert at this late state of night in a slight sonambulistic state to myself. What are we dealing with here? We do have some indicators of the huge loss of a huge savior for somebody. If not for the fates could have been saved and and the the horror of of that and the anger around it and not being able to control the anger. You've got extreme anger, paranoia, disassociative states, a sense of abandonment. It does fit very strongly a specific personality type, which can plan violent action or can get triggered very quickly into violent action. So I just want to put that there because there's all kinds of great evidence and great theories out there, but I will put that down there. Also, I just want to flag up that when huge stories like this happen, when you have somebody of huge status who has a crime committed on them in quite innocuous ways, our brain can't take it. It doesn't understand it. It's the killing of a king by a complete surf by accident. So I just happened to be there, bang, dead. And if that's true, if that actually happened, it would be so hard for our mind to be able to deal with that. So we're always going to want to construct whether true or false, we are going to want to construct a better reason why this happened because it is unreasonable to the brain that this should ever happen. I don't know whether he did it or not. I think he's certainly there with a gun. I think he's certainly fired some shots. It's going to be, it's a tough story for us to take and he's created a massive story here. Chase, what do you got on this one? You've been, haven't you? Mark? What do you got? I'll go. I'll go. I'll just buy into it. Greg, what do you got? So Mark, I'm going to sound a little bit like you at this point. Arabic culture is tightly tied to many, many, many centuries of legends and that kind of thing. So a lot of the stuff they talk about when they talk about fate, there's a great story of a guy named Hatim Tahi who was the most generous guy on earth. And there's a word they use in there where they say which means the sword has already fallen. Nothing you can do about things that changed. So there's that part of a culture that will matter in a spoken language that has generations and generations of storytelling. I think there's a certain element of that in what he's saying. However, I do see he goes down right for some emotion. He gets a little agitated and then he says, I was never. Baseline means something always, always, always. His baseline changes dramatically for one moment and that's his forehead is up and held up high as he's asking for approval. Does that mean he knows someone else was involved? Don't know. But what he is in effect saying probably is, I don't know, but it's not me. And you can see it. He goes back to that baseline without the creepy music and it looks like a person saying what he believes. So in this case, I would poke really hard. Mark, you were looking at what he says and the words, I was never. I'm looking at his forehead up at the same time. I'm thinking, yeah, I'd spend a little time on that one and try to figure out what he's trying to tell us there. What do we know from there? Don't know. But that's certainly a pretty powerful request for approval at a time that we're not accustomed to. Scott, what do you got? Everything. That's good. I'm done, man. I'm told that he was scheduled to traverse a route that was totally different from the one that he actually took. And had he saved for the stroke of luck or fate, you know, had he taken the original route which he was intended for him to take, he might have been saved and he might have been, you know, become president of the United States. I was never part of any conspiracy. For me to enter into a plot with another person to kill a third is totally out of the question. If you knew enough about human nature, as I have experienced in prisons where two people had gone into a conspiracy and one of them ends up on their throat, another one ends up a state witness. I'm looking at it in retrospect. I wish that there was a conspiracy because had there been one, had I aborted as soon as it was begun and Robert Kennedy would still be alive. Let's pass it around the room. All right, let's throw it around the room and everybody very quickly, very quickly. Let's just say what we think about what's going on. We'll start with Mark, go to Chase and then Greg and then I'll wrap it up. All right, Mark, what do you got? Yeah, there is, regardless of what actually happened here, I would say there is absolutely an effective disorder of some sort here. There is a psychosis of some sort going on here, in my mind for sure. Chase, what do you got? It's hard for me to comment on the behaviors here. I've been obsessed with this every day of my entire life for 15 years and I've met with the attorneys. I'm involved in some regard in the case, but I think that this is what we're seeing as a person saying things reluctantly and some things are being held back. The behaviors don't match up all the time and there's genuine anger there and it's hard for us to, I'll speak for myself. It's hard for me to know whether that anger is from the subject matter or from the having to speak about this in many of these instances. At the end of the day, you could wrap this thing up in a polka dot bag and just call it a day. Greg? Yeah, so what I see in these videos, forget all the conspiracy theories, all that stuff for a minute. I see we're talking about a guy who took a firearm to a hotel where a guy was killed. Whether he killed him or not, don't care. If a guy with a horn's grown out of his head killed, don't care, not part of my analysis here. What I see is progressive levels of frustration, aggravation and some annoyance and hiding body language and having a duplicitous story as he walks through. Till he gets to the end, then he starts to talk. He tells us something that looks true but he does something odd. Did he kill the guy? Don't know. You guys who know all the ballistics, yeah, figure that out. But what I see here is a guy with progressive levels of irritation. It sure sounds like he was irritated about something. That's what made him go to the hotel with the gun. That's that. Scott, what do you got? I think he nailed it on that. From the very first video, as we go through, we see the anger getting growing and growing and growing. Although it's small, I'm with Chase on that as well, is it because of what's happened or what's going to happen or is he mad and that was used against him? I have no idea whatsoever. But the body language in here says that his anger is there and it's right under everything going on. If this is the outside, this is the inside, and here's the anger and boy, it's big. Pound it on that, trying to get out. He's doing a great job, I think, holding it in. But of course, we know how to look for those type of things and point them out. But I think that's what we're seeing. We're seeing a lot of anger in there. This guy is frustrated and he's angry for what reason I have no idea. But that's what we're seeing in there as far as what I can see. So, all right. Well, anybody got anything else they want to add to this? Yeah, subscribe. Subscribe, like, you know. 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Oh, they're great. So we're going to what now? Five? Or six? No, six. No, it's five. No, five. We just did. We just watch it or we do. I completely lost what the hell I was going to say. That's cool. All right, we'll start over again, ready? I'm going to know this. Sorry, I said to make sure I was right on that. Mark, did you recognize F Scott Fitzgerald and that? No, I didn't. Where was that? All of my feelings are drumming towards the killing. He reads a lot clearly as well. You can't miss using words like Crestfall. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hang on. Which one are we on? Nine? This is nine. We're on eight. No, we're on eight. We're on eight. We're on eight. Okay, sorry. No, no. It's eight. All right, Greg, what do you got? Yeah. Hold on one second. Okay. Shit. Okay. I'm burnt too. Oh, yeah, I'm still chewing ice cube. That's too bad. This is nine fellas. No. It's eight. It's eight. It's eight. It's eight. Okay. Let's do that. Okay. Yeah, that's what I got. Scott, what do you got? I agree with all you guys. And I'm not going to go over what you've already got over. That sounds most heavy. I'm not going to go over what you've already got. That's funny.