 So that kind of gets into this last point, where we're all going to pretend that we're Reggie, or any major, major upper echelon PR person at Nintendo. And we're going to come up with how each of us would pitch ourselves or pitch the switch to a major third party company of our choosing for a game that they have in development for beyond this year, give them a pitch to bring it to switch. Because as we know, this year we know, we pretty much can close the book on what third party games are getting this year. And this is your one for the switch. So let's start with Eric. What company are you targeting? I know what you're thinking. Just do it. Yeah, in Madden. Okay. Go on after Madden. Yeah. All right. So now you're in the boardroom with them, and you know that they already are kind of jaded against you. Yeah. They've had bad success on Nintendo. No. How are you going to, maybe through their own fault, but whatever. Right. Even more reasons to pitch them. Exactly. Sell it. Yeah. Sell it to me. I'm EA. Sell me. Sell me on Switch for next year. Right. If you guys were to bring an actual full, normal, created game of Madden. To the Nintendo Switch. I mean, if you take a look at some of our other games, we got games that are all pacing the sales of the console itself, which we are working on bringing up our console production. But Mr. Nintendo, I can't bring a full version of our game. Your console is not powerful enough. Counter punch. Well, that's what would come up. They'd mentioned it's not part. We can't give you a non-parody version. Look at what we're doing with FIFA. That's probably the best we can do. Look at Breath of the Wild. That's way more intricate than any of your games. Breath of the Wild is a single player game. You're talking about a multi-player game here. So it's Splatoon 2? I feel you're way more prepared than we are for this. Yeah. Yeah. I made up this topic. No, I'm just saying, these are the arguments that EA is going to have against. Look at arms. Okay, sorry Nintendo, you finish your statement. I mean, we are working on our console to get their production ramped up to meet demand. You give us a good game? We can promise you, they'll sell. So Mr. Nintendo, we think there's some potential. Because FIFA 17, 18, whatever it is this year is coming out. 19? I don't even know what they call it. FIFA 18. No, it is FIFA 18. Okay. So FIFA 18 is coming out. So let's hit pause because I don't agree with you that a market is there. I'm kind of on the side that you brought up. Look, we have a game that's also on the console. You have a Nintendo game also on the console. We haven't seen any major third party successes on your system yet. There was no major third party successes that were multi-platform games on the Wii U. So we're not ready to fully commit like this. So let's just wait till FIFA, see how FIFA does. If I can help Eric out a little bit here. I have one point that might be. Sure. Cut, right? Yeah, go for it. The switch is bringing back a lot of last Nintendo gamers. And what that means is gamers that have been with Nintendo for a long time and have gone away. Now that means they're adult gamers and most adult gamers out there are looking to play more adult style games. They don't necessarily want to play Mario. Sure, a lot of people will. And that'll be probably a major attracting point of the console. But what about the folks that, yeah, they want Mario, but now they also want something more adult. They don't want the cutesy stuff anymore. They want to play sports when they're watching the game. They want to after the game, you know, set up a tournament with their friends and beat them on Madden on their switch, wherever they are. Maybe even during the party or during the commercials. And I think that's a fantastic new opportunity that's presented itself now with the switch that wasn't there with our previous generations. I also want to point out too that we basically have free advertisement because you look at soccer players, they're playing the switch. You got football players playing the switch. They're posting videos from their locker rooms and stuff and planes and travels. We're using pictures of NFL locker rooms with the switch. Okay, so maybe not NFL. I know FIFA's for sure. I know soccer for sure. And we have FIFA coming to switch. And I'm sure if you have men coming to switch, you're going to have NFL players. I don't know. NFL players play men. Yeah, but you got to remember Xbox is a partnership with the NFL for advertising. Whenever you hear about video games in Madden with the NFL, it's always with the next box. That's because you don't put anything else out. PlayStation 4 is the most high-selling platform. Why don't we hear about that? I don't know that's your fault. It's not my fault. I don't control Xbox's partnership with the NFL. We don't have a partnership with Xbox like that. No, but you have a partnership with the NFL too. You remember what system that Russell Wilson bought this entire offensive line? Xbox ones. See, if you're going to argue for an NFL game, you should do your history. Plus, I happen to know how to know you religiously followed the NFL. And Russell Wilson played for Wisconsin, right? Aren't you a Wisconsin fan? I'm done. I am done. No, what I'm saying, Mr. Nintendo and Mr. Nintendo number two over here is you brought up some good points. It's bringing back gamers that might want to play this stuff, but I don't see it in the sales data yet. So I'm not hearing an argument for taking the risk. Why shouldn't I just wait and see how FIFA does? Because you didn't make a proper FIFA port. Well, to be fair, I got my dev units late and we would not have the time to get our engines to run on the system in the first place to get a game out this year. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that it can be the only means of measuring whether it's feasible. Well, I mean, there's other third-party games coming, isn't there? The only thing that you should rely on. Necessarily third-party sports games that are, you know, correct. I mean, I hate bringing this up because they're a direct competitor. NBA 2K18 is coming out. I mean, we can even see how that does. There is that. But there is no other NFL game possible because you have the naming and all the other rights for it. To be fair, if we never release an NFL property on Switch, they can release their own NFL property on Switch. Any platform that Madden is not on, they're allowed to have their own NFL brandy game. All right, 2K. Here we go. Oh, you want 2K? Okay. No, no, no, no. Madden's coming. Madden's coming. Don't go to 2K. Yeah, right. We don't need NFL 2K185 coming back. Yeah. Because they're going to release that at 20 bucks on Switch and we're screwed. Everyone's buying a Switch. Yeah. So there's your argument. There's the argument. We've got to go pay money to 2K. Well, thank you for giving me my ammunition. No, you can bring back NFL Blitz. Yes. And no consoles exclusively. Yes. I like it. Yeah, own NFL Blitz? I don't remember who owns NFL Blitz. No, it was Midway. Midway. It was. I don't know who owns it now. Oh, okay. Oh, then NFL Blitz rip off. They did. Is that NFL Street or something? Yeah. I thought they made one at one point. And it ended up not being very good. All right. Argument heard. And here's the thing. I'm not being mistreated. That's all. No, to help you out. I like, obviously, we both want Madden to come really hardcore. Yeah. I think that there's some things that want to brought up that I feel like EA should consider. And that's the fact that the Switch is selling out. And by the end of 2018, we could be talking about a 25 million install base. We could be talking about in less than two years having half of the install base that the PlayStation 4 has. Like, that's a crazy number of people for you to, for a year to be like, hey, we don't want Madden being served to those people. And the way you said it, too, though, is that I really didn't realize and didn't recognize that if they don't have an NFL thing, they can go to 2K and go, hey, look at your other sports games you're selling. Yeah. Bring us a thing. We don't have an NFL licensed game. Yeah. I think the fear there would always be if 2K ended up doing that, I think the moment a 2K partnership is announced for it is the moment that EA says, ah, no, no, no, no. Because they don't want 2K coming back at all with an NFL licensed game. But the only problem is they can come back with the absolute wrappiest version of their life. Of course they can. We'll give you a wee Madden again. Yeah. But no, I think that Madden is actually possible next year. Only because I do think that, because EA stated in the past that Frostbite can run on Switch. That's kind of the biggest point. You didn't know that, but that you could bring up is that EA has already publicly stated that that engine Madden runs on can run on Switch. Whether it can run completely, I don't know if they said it could run. Interesting. You know what else runs on Frostbite? Star Wars Battlefront. Nice. Yeah. So it's a very interesting prospect. And I do think it sucks. Because at this point, what EA does on Nintendo platforms is like beating a drum. They're going to release FIFA. It's not going to sell as well as they hope, and they're going to use it as they're going to have to release games. Or it's going to sell better, and then they have a reason to bring the full version over next year. They have a reason to finish porting Frostbite over. Because I think right now, EA is afraid of commitment to Nintendo because they've been burned. And I argue, obviously, that part of the burn is their own fault. Are we giving you the... You always got to say part because Nintendo has burned all the third parties. Oh, right. Yeah. So they have a lot of logical reason to be like, why would we put 100% effort into something that's not going to sell anyways? That's always a valid argument until Nintendo does it otherwise. And they've failed to prove otherwise for a few generations now. So, beyond their handhelds. But again, the handhelds usually don't get full versions of Madden anyway. All right, 5G. Why don't you give a crack at it? Well, I didn't have much cooked up here, so I'm just going to kind of shoot from the hip. Oh, that's what I did. That's what I'm doing too, for mine. Just wait until you get to me. I mean, we're kind of shooting for the obvious ones here, but I think that's the point that we need to be targeting the big folks. So I'm thinking we got to target Call of Duty. So Call of Duty, not very successful on the Vita because it was a crappy version. Now, one thing I think would be very interesting and would fit very well is because Nintendo is very much a multiplayer platform. It's one of the few platforms left out there that focuses on playing with friends in the same room. A lot of today is one player online. You can only play with your friends if they're in another room with another Xbox hooked up to the internet. If you can just split off a controller and have a match of like zombies or something called Duty, it'd be an amazing opportunity. And again, capturing that older audience with a shooter that's not squids flowing around neon colored ink. I think there's a nice audience there that we as Nintendo don't want to cater to in our own parties. We don't want to create blood and gore and that kind of stuff. But we're not opposed to appealing to our older audience. I hear you. I hear you. And I got to say, Call of Duty did decent sales on Wii back in the day. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, you brought up something that scares me, though. As a developer. You mentioned something about, you know, really cool to sit down with a friend and split off the Joy-Cons. How the heck am I doing dual stick controls on a single Joy-Con? Great. And so what I think is always a key is because the Nintendo platform is portable, it's not able to scale up to the same graphical abilities. We know this. It's a limitation, but at the same time it has that advantage of the portability. So I think in addition to just saying, hey, this game's portable, we should cook up something special about Call of Duty on Switch that you can only have on the Switch. So maybe it's specific modes or something like that, a new type of gameplay mode that Call of Duty's never had before. So what you're saying is for me to bring Call of Duty, like the current version for whatever year, to the Switch, I have to especially cater to the Switch. That sounds like a lot of research and R&D and extra money invested into something I don't have to do on any other platform. For something I don't know if it's going to sell. I would say, hey, Nintendo will help you. I don't know if they would, but I'm just saying, wouldn't that be a nice gesture? Hey guys, you should bring stuff here to help you. Okay, you throw money on the table. I have no further argument. Money won't make everything work. Money makes the world go around. Yeah, no, that's cool. I mean, I honestly think that there's an audience for Call of Duty. The thing is Call of Duty came for two straight years on Wii U. And Wii U failed sales-wise. But it obviously sold well enough with Black Ops to have, you know, the next Call of Duty come out ghost or whatever it was, which wasn't even a good Call of Duty game. So I think, the thing is, Switch is more popular than that, so there's no reason to be like, hey, let's just get the platform that's even more popular. So I feel like Call of Duty, and the weird thing is, and this is something we don't know the exact details of, but it was said very openly that Activision was part of the Nintendo Switch development before the system came out. They were either part of the feedback, they were just part of it in some way, whether it was direct feedback, like Capcom got to give or whatever, they were part of it. So that means that Activision has to have plans for the system beyond Skylanders. Like, they're all like, oh yeah, we need all this so we can run Skylanders. No, I think they even just discontinued Skylanders. Like, they're done with it for now. So it's like, okay, so that couldn't have been why you were in on it. Nintendo didn't want you internet to talk about that game. They wanted you internet seed ring your big games. You know, because you're Activision Blizzard, you have a lot of huge IP. So yeah, well, I feel like of all the conversations we've had so far with EA and Activision, that Activision is probably the most likely to at least give it a shot. Right, that's just because EA is a pain in the ass. Well, EA is a pain in the ass, and just because there seems to have been better treatment from Activision in the past, with Wii U and... where they actually tried with Call of Duty. Oh yeah, like, yeah, the visuals were really dumbed down on Wii, but they mastered those controls. It was amazing. It was almost as good as mouse and keyboard. It was crazy how good the controls were on Wii. So, I was always torn on which one to go after, because again, I'm shooting from the hip with this topic as well. My prepared responses with EA were because I've covered this whole EA finasco for like last year. I didn't have a lot to say about Activision because everything seems to be positive coming from Activision beyond the fact they don't really have a game coming to it this year. The... I thought of an argument for Beyond Good and Evil 2 with Ubisoft. And, you know, I feel like that argument's almost too easy to make. Just because Ubisoft and Nintendo always work closely together and there's still the rumors floating out there that Nintendo helped fund the project in the first place. So, just to ensure they have it on their platform, you know, originally the rumors would say they would have it exclusive, but just to ensure that Nintendo would be in on it and the fact that even though the beta site for it or whatever that site you can go sign up to, only had Xbox One, PC, and PlayStation 4 listed, they were quick to note that that has nothing to do with the platforms they're going to release it on. So that just means whatever that program is might be specific to those platforms, but they have gone out of their way and it's not coming to Switch. So I feel like there's a lot of hints saying that they're trying to get this thing out of Switch anyways. For whatever the reason may be, whether it was paid for or whether Mario and Rabbids is kind of like the testing ground to see if it's worth it, you know, whatever the case may be. Yeah. So instead of going for that one, I'm going to go for one that because it's been delayed, I feel like Nintendo needs to target it hard. Super hard. I'm going to go into Rockstar and I'm going to talk to them about bringing Grand Theft Auto 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2 over. Yep. Hello. So, hey Rockstar, how you doing today? So you traditionally don't know these games on Nintendo platforms. It's cool. We understand the type of games you make you wouldn't think of as a game on Nintendo platform. There's violence, lots of blood, lots of serious adult topics. But you've already made a lot of money on Grand Theft Auto 5. It's on every platform out there but Nintendo Switch. It is still as of today among the top 10 sellers per month. So my proposal to you because the Switch is selling like hotcakes and because I can guarantee you we will probably have a 20 million install base bare minimum by the end of our second fiscal year that you should test the waters in Port Grand Theft Auto 5 over to Nintendo Switch for release next year. And I know it's late to the party. I understand that. But we think there's a big market to have this game in a portable form. And I think you're going to see this year with Skyrim that despite that being an older game as well that it being available in a conveniently portable form while also being able to play on your TV is going to be attractive enough to sell millions of units. So I'm hoping we can prove to you with that game that it's worth the risk. But it's not really a risk for you, is it? Because you've already made all this money on Grand Theft Auto 5 in the first place. And we have Nvidia technology that makes it easy to port games from PC. So if you already have a PC version even if you have to run it on low settings it will run on Switch. I guarantee it. You properly optimize it, you're going to run and the thing is you only have to run it at 720p. You don't have to worry about higher assets. And don't worry if the game's over you know over 60 gigabytes or whatever the case may be we'll make sure you have the carts so you can have a physical version and a digital version. Now the reason I bring this up is because not only do I think this is a smart idea for Grand Theft Auto I think it's a no brainer to at least test the waters. I think you're going to see with the results of that that you should seriously consider Red Dead Retemption 2. Now hold on I know what you're saying you're targeting 4K with it. You delayed it because of the Xbox One X and the PlayStation 4 Pro and you want to maximize the use of those specs. I understand that but again think of the arguments I just made for Grand Theft Auto 5 rinse and repeat for Red Dead Redemption 2 and if Grand Theft Auto 5 does the numbers we think it can do we think it could be a multi-million unit seller that means that there's an audience for Red Dead Redemption 2 without even having the original Red Dead on the system because guess what we're thinking Grand Theft Auto 5 is going to do that without having 1, 2, 3 or 4. So if Grand Theft Auto 5 pulls that off and pulls in this audience that would like to play these games but do not have the time to sit in front of their TV to do it anymore so they don't currently purchase them but they grew up with Grand Theft Auto 4 they grew up with Red Dead, they grew up with LA Noire they grew up with these games but now they don't have time to sit in front of a TV you have a system that's got 20 million plus install base at that point you know that it's probably going to hit 30 or 40 million within the next few years at least that's the way our projection here's all our numbers we'll give you to back up the data I can't you know I'd love to say that we caught up to demand by them but here's the thing that we haven't caught up to demand by them isn't that a good thing that we can't make enough units because people just want this thing that bad now imagine Grand Theft Auto 5 Imagine Red Dead Redemption 2 I know it's not going to look as visually impressive I understand it might not run at 60fps if you're targeting that I understand that we cannot meet the tech level that we would like but we all like to make money right it's about the money and I'm not going to sit here today and throw money on the table to you because I think our device and the sales that you're seeing on it speak to itself and I know Nintendo games only we haven't had a major third party game yet Skyrim's coming and I'm telling you you're going to see that thing move 2 to 3 million units in the next year or two and if that's not enough to convince you then I don't know what to say you're going to move 2 or 3 million units and you continue to release games on those platforms you're a multi-platform company it's time to support every major platform do you want to leave hundreds of millions of dollars on the table just because you're unwilling to downgrade your visual quality to be in affordable form that no one's even going to notice because they're looking at it on a 720p 5 inch screen no and I don't want to hear that Omphal World can't be done shh come on Mike you're shooting from the hip that sounds pretty prepared that was not prepared at all that was I think this is why it sounds prepared here's a little fact I'm going to let people in on I would say probably 80 to 90% of the videos I make on Nintendo Prime are all shot from the hip I don't have a script I don't think about what I'm going to say before I say it it's just raw and I realized over time I'm really good at that and that's kind of why I get away with it I also know that it means I mumble and I repeat points at times and I understand that it's an issue I'm trying to work on and it wouldn't exist if I just wrote it all down and you understand that faster I had to get you back somehow but that's the thing I had no idea what I was going to say there before I said it oh my god this makes so much sense bring it up bring it up bring it up drop the mic I'm really good at that I didn't even come up with this topic until two minutes before we started recording so no I just feel like beyond the rockstar thing just an all seriousness about third party support I don't know that Nintendo necessarily needs it to be successful this time because as the David Gibson point before if this ends up being their all in one platform then all of Nintendo's games are coming to it and if you combine their 3ds output with their Wii U output together like I'm sorry they can supply games every single month no problem but it's that if what we think is true that we're bringing back lapsed gamers that we're bringing back people that don't have time to sit in front of their TVs anymore if all of this is true all these things we think about switch is true then it just makes sense to me that third parties eventually just can't keep ignoring that audience I mean look at the best selling games Breath of the Wild are you telling me that ARMS appeals to children I know it looks silly but have you played ARMS that doesn't feel like it I mean I understand with the motion controls you can get some kids into it it's some pretty serious competition out there you can get wrecked online it probably appeals to kids that doesn't mean the kids are good at it it's not like Mario Kart like I can't go to the jib you're pretty good at Mario Kart you only need to hit like three buttons one control stick three buttons you got it you might not have drifting down perfectly or the jump there's a few fine tune things but you'll figure that out ARMS has a lot of intricacies to it that matters Splatoon 2 even there's a lot of intricacies in Splatoon Splatoon appeals to children but from every child I've met that has actually played Splatoon which is like six of them some have said they just like playing a single player because when they go online they just get destroyed and that's because the online is full of a bunch of older people that know what they're doing because it's again there's a lot of skill at this there's a reason Nintendo is pushing these games as esports because that's the kind of people that they want these games to appeal to are the more serious competitive players which is weird since for all these years they've tried to push Smash Bros away from that community I know they've embraced it lately with Smash 4 but it almost felt like it was reluctantly embraced it's like okay people keep playing Melee well let's push Smash 4 so people buy our new game let's buy into esports even though we won't actually this is the one thing that Nintendo needs to do for me to understand that Nintendo is serious with esports by the way totally off topic they need to fund a prize in a tournament they've run all these tournaments or you win a belt or you win a copy of the game well how about a tournament where you have a million dollar grand prize Nintendo can afford that come on I mean other companies do that like if they want people to be serious then Nintendo you need a pony up to be serious with esports unless the csgo tournament have you heard that the people from last year have yet to be paid valve has so much money actually and there's a lot of other people who have actually participated in tournaments and they've still yet to be paid to not just last years I think was a winner and rugger up the thing is what I don't understand and obviously I don't know the intricacies about how this is supposed to be funded like I know there's some of the csgo stuff that's fan funded for prizes the thing is is like one if it was fan funded then the money should be there two even if the money is not there say valve blew it on something okay valve on steam let's be real they are a billion dollar company they could pay off the prizes I know the game duo doesn't like to make games anymore just like to send them piles of cash these days but I mean we're never getting love for dead 3 or half life 3 or anything with a 3 portal 3 it's not happening they don't make games anymore they're not a game making company anymore they are a platform company which is fine even though they don't really make the improvements to steam that need to happen I know off topic but it kind of frustrates me now I love steam but we're starting to see better ways to do things and steam is kind of behind but they still own so much of the market that this better way to do things might never become mainstream and it kind of upsets me like there's abilities now to like trade digital games and other players the steam doesn't really let you do that just as an example or like the fact that their gate is way too open with indie titles way too open I mean it is crazy it's so hard to find good indie games and I know there's arguments out there that oh well the good games rise to the top and you know I'm like you know how much crap you have to wade through before you find to get that good game it is steam can do a lot better it is relevant if that rainway app comes out it is relevant for rainway app that's what you're going to have to deal with or you know I know obviously EA with Origin I think it's Origin's actually gotten a lot better since launch but again Origin reminds me of what I'm worried about with the Nintendo Switch Online app Origin's first impression was terrible so the reputation of it today is terrible even though today Origin is actually not that bad in fact they do some things better than steam and your computer doesn't recognize that it's a virus anymore and it doesn't eat up all these resources like they fixed all the stuff that was basically wrong with it and it doesn't matter that it's good now because it's forever going to have that reputation that it sucks just like it doesn't matter that steam is slowly becoming kind of crappy but it doesn't matter because of the initial impressions steam revived PC gaming which is probably a little bit of a blessing that they didn't try to put voice chat out on Switch at launch because overall the launch of the Switch was super successful it was a great first impression oh but it's missing all these features yeah but they said they'll come later yeah didn't know what there was no what was the right play yeah it's coming later because it's going to suck yeah right we don't want bad press at launch because we're missing features that's okay you don't want to those are smaller in place those are smaller in place I'm like yeah but it's on Wii U I can just play it there yeah but better for anybody that's on Switch come on that everyone seemed to be having at the launch was you know the Switch is missing a lot of stuff but I don't care I'm just having fun Sniproclips is great Armor Man's not that bad they're all tiny little red flags but you come up with the something but it's going to be crappy that is one of the most gigantic red flags and boom my issues overall I know some people who feel like I don't like Switch I love Switch my issues are more so I feel like there's something brewing in the background that's wrong not just because Nintendo tends to screw things up they don't always they didn't really screw things up with DS to be fair you know with Wii after a few years they just kind of I know some of the market was moving on but there was things they could have done I feel like to reinvigorate that market and not just let it pass by them to 360 in PlayStation 3 but I think that beyond some of those mistakes and some of the droughts and everything that Nintendo there's something weird going on with Switch and I I was going to do a separate video on this eventually where we don't know about that they're not even acknowledging or even talking about like Virtual Console huge deal a lot of people care about it a lot of people that are stuck with Nintendo these years care about it and if it's not going to be there just say it's not going to be there if it is going to be there and say it's going to be there and we're just going to launch it until 2018 or if it is going to be there but you know that it's going to have severe backlash just don't talk about it that's the only reason not to talk about it because people aren't going to like it you think it will make you more money long call despite the backlash maybe it's a subscription service but it's ridiculously priced and the games are laggy yeah well I'm just saying something about what they're doing with it probably isn't going to sound good and I know the opposite is well they don't want they'll look at Breath of the Wild they just don't want to say anything until it's absolutely ready they also announced Breath of the Wild in 2014 yeah I mean they did say something before Breath of the Wild was ready to be honest so it's kind of like it's okay to like even if they didn't show Breath of the Wild we knew it existed, they said it existed they didn't say no we're not making a game for Wii U no they always said they were making a Zelda game for Wii U so just saying that you're working on virtual console for Switch is enough but they're not talking about it they just keep saying we're not talking about virtual console right now which of course could mean the bad news is we're not going to have virtual console but just say that, get it out now while everything is so positive don't wait until all the negative stuff hits and then have more negative