 Okay, let's kick up the session of the decoupled layout builder in core no Come in every Welcome to this Board public board meeting and and general at chat with you And we want to actually use the opportunity to listen to your questions and what do you want to hear about what the Drupal Association is doing and There is this thing that we have to do or we don't have to do but there is official part as a board That we have to go through by taking off the last minutes Which is everything is published on Drupal.org so you can read up on all the things that we are doing But most important there are certain things that we have to go through so we are gonna do that really quickly The board did meet in Paris common See familiar color There It's the Red Army Yeah, there's enough space so So in a in a board meeting we try to then make decisions of and checking off Things that we have agreed on and said that we want to move forward So our last board meeting that was in Pittsburgh We also had a really good attendance And back then we actually decided on three new strategic initiatives for the Drupal Association Which Tim is gonna tell us all about quickly. He's gonna give us an update. Maybe we can go through the agenda So we are gonna we're doing the welcoming. That's the welcoming and we're gonna briefly allow everyone to maybe say their names if this is Think it is no this this is the board. It's fine. Tiffany sit down there That's gonna be the welcome then we are gonna do the short update of what the Drupal Association is doing and we are of course like Writing a lot of blog posts and we are trying to be as public about what we are doing. We are doing our best But I think we can always do more and therefore your feedback is welcome When we are going to approve the last two meeting minutes That's gonna be very quick, but we need to have an approval because this is official board meeting then We had a we are having some people leaving the board including myself because our terms are due And then we have new people coming to the board and we need to maybe if we agree Because disagree We both had a common community elected board member being elected now recently. I hope you all voted I hope you're all a member of the Drupal Association And then we also had some nominations from the board and we are gonna go through this slate Then we are gonna end the meeting and start the Q&A and we are gonna try to do This in maybe 15 minutes maximum and then actually hear from you what your questions are So to kick it off. Let's hear briefly from who you are where you're from. I will start back day from Iceland I'm current board chair Tim Doyle from the US. I'm the CEO of the Drupal Association Hello, Rosalina now working in the European Commission. I'm from Spain, but I'm living in Brazil Hi, I'm Nikhil Deshpande. I'm from Atlanta, Georgia Hi, my name is Nick Fienhoff. I'm from Belgium 30 minutes away with the car not very far and I work for a good lab Hi, Lin Kaposi from Boston, Massachusetts I'm Mike Herschel from Gainesville, Florida in the US probably about a couple hours away by car I'm Tiffany Ferris. I'm from Chicago. I am with Palantir Nikki Flores, I'm here from Lansing, Michigan in the United States. I work with Lullabot I'm Dries originally from Belgium now live in Boston I'm just lean on you. I'm Ryan Zorama from Greenville, South Carolina. That's in the Bleary Ridge Mountains And I'm the CEO of Centaro the company behind Drupal Commerce Owen Lansbury from Australia work with previous NICs and Treasurer of the Drupal Association Board Well, and then we need something we need to have the time. What time is it Tim? Okay, 419 the meeting is set. I Called the meeting to order Start Okay, do you want to sit down? Yeah, please Thank you. So we have the the first topic is A DA Drupal Association update. I'm happy some chairs right here behind me if you okay I'm happy to provide a Five-minute, maybe six-minute update on everything that the Drupal Association has been doing not everything But let's start with the new strategic plan It was back in June of this year that the board approved a new strategic plan During Drupalcon Pittsburgh in North America. It's a three-year plan It has three objectives The objectives are innovation marketing and fundraising for innovation The objective is that Drupal becomes the most innovative the most impactful web platform in the world by promoting the open web For marketing the objective is that the Drupal brand is recognized globally as a platform of choice For ambitious end users in government business and beyond and in fundraising The objective is that the Drupal Association takes a leadership role in raising funds for community initiatives So I'd like to go through each one and give you an update on what we've done since so this plan was approved in June It's on our website. You can read the full plan if you go what we've been doing since June In in terms of innovation we've had two things going on first pitch Berg You might have heard about it. It was a contest that was part of the trees came up for for Drupalcon pitch Pittsburgh Thus we call it pitch Berg Where community members could submit videos of proposals for innovations to the to Drupal for review by a panel of judges This was the goal is to spur people thinking and getting excited about innovation So we were able to raise $98,000 from partners that included aquia 1x internet Palantir digital polygon Zucha skilled and image X There were 29 submissions seven were funded We had money to fund seven one has already been completed and About $13,000 has been issued have been issued. So I think we're on track for a successful initiative This was a test case to see how Innovation could be or could not be Driven by raising money from partners to fund ideas from the community The second is our Drupal certified partner program. It was it's been mentioned a couple of times during the Drupalcon We will be enhancing that program To make it sure it's a hundred percent focused on makers the companies that are makers in the Drupal community And then promoting their work and promoting getting more makers into the certified partner program We believe if we have more makers, we will naturally have more innovation. So our goal is Rolling out a new or an enhanced Drupal certified partner program in 24 with a focus on makers In terms of marketing if you're at the tree snow, you've heard some of this So I won't spend too much time the Drupal Association under the auspices of our Marketing working group of which Lynn and Nikhil are members and Suzanne Durgachev with evolving web has been participating Has been working with an outside consultant to develop a marketing strategy For Drupal as a product so not the Drupal is not marketing Drupal Association not marketing services Looking at Drupal as a product like a go-to-market plan And from that we'll develop the strategy and we'll have a number of initiatives that come out So that should be hopefully done by December the board if they approve it will start those activities in In the new year 24 We also if you heard we're attending web summit 2023 in Lisbon We are a plat and we meaning the Drupal Association with four partners are a platinum sponsor of any of a of a booth at Web Summit if you're not familiar with Web Summit, it's a very large Tech conference that's not in the community. It's outside the community And that's intentional because our goal is to begin marketing to those who are not believers How do we get to the not believers into the Drupal community and we want to do that by going to? Tech conferences that folks are going to so when they walk down the exhibit hall and they see adobe They see whatever they're all going to see Drupal and the marketing again will be on Drupal the product not on any of the partners The partners we have in that 1x internet aquea phase 2 and ffw are the seed partners on that if this model works We want to continue this as a model of getting partners together market Drupal at Non-Drupal conferences We're very excited about that Third objective fundraising We have a focus on philanthropy And I don't know where I get that picture, but it says philanthropy in so I thought well that's where we want to stay Let's stay at the philanthropy in That's the only picture I could come up with that It's in the Drupal village Perfect. Thank you, Tim So on philanthropy We have a number of things going on I'm excited to to let you know that we've already been successful in receiving a $300,000 grant from a from a film from a Tech fund on that We have hired Julia Cranstor who's our Full-time philanthropic expert on staff at the DA and will be leading our efforts and being in the philanthropy So that's one thing we've already done since June Second is looking at how we can increase Revenues from programming that we can then plow back into the community. So how do we increase revenues at Drupal cons? Drupal steward program Drupal certified partners in order to Invest that money back into the marketing innovation initiative that we talked about That's so that's kind of everything that we've been doing since June This is our strategic plans on our website Our goal is to update the progress towards our goals every three months And so you can go there and find that out Last thing I'll say before we end One of my goals. I've been here about a year next week will be my one-year anniversary of one-year-old So thank you But I do want to say the first five months Four or five months. I had a lot of calls with CEOs across, you know, our members the US Europe extra after four or five months bodies that start doing something don't just start talking but But I heard what I heard in that was from the European community from the CEOs Something that I intentionally spent the last 12 months trying to begin to make inroads And that's that the DA is to us focused and we need to be more global So so I do I do want to go over some things that we've been doing over the last 12 months to address that And I will take any feedback folks have I have a large team of staff here explicitly for the purpose of understanding what's going on here and how can we better serve but in the last 12 months We've hired on the DA staff to staff from Spain We have to pitch work winners. We talked about pitch work are in from Europe Frank Frantz come and factorial or both pitch work winners We're holding web summit the tech the technology conference. We decided to go first was a European Tech conference And that was intentional We have received a grant as I said from a European Tech Fund. That's where it came from We you will hopefully In a few minutes more than half of our board members will be from overseas outside the US We are actively engaged in the Cyber Resiliency Act, which is a EU Regulation European Union regulation that is we've worked with typo 3 and wordpress and Droomla Matias. Oh, yeah, thank you. Matias is here from typo 3 yep, if There's information on our website, but we've been active in there's grave concerns that the way it's written now is going to Negatively impact open-source software. It's treating open-source software like super well-funded proprietary software from the US or from anywhere And that's problematic more information on our website, but we've been very active on that area three of the Pittsburgh judges That that rated the pitch work were European companies we split so skilled Zucha and 1x internet So these are just the beginnings of really my efforts to try to make sure that the Drupal Association is not too US focused So I throughout this conference. I'll take any more feedback you have on what we could be doing more and with that that is the DA update and we will move To approval the meeting minutes. I want to on top of this what he said because this is a little bit of new things And we think that it's important to talk about that, but we also have an incredible staff of the DA in here Raise your hand, please the engineering team program team the event team marketing and All of you that are here You know, they are also just doing what they are doing the best and running the infrastructure making sure that we can deploy code We can do amazing events as well and all the things that you're doing So I just wanted to make sure that that's not forgotten and thank you for all of that so Let's do the approval of the meeting minutes we have sent all the meeting minutes to our board and I think that there's just we want to just do a vote Yeah, so Okay, good approved check This is all gonna be published on Trouble.org as well as with all the last board meetings that we put out I think last year after the feedback from you So thank you for that Yeah Thank you Tiffany. That's a that's a correct. It's a it's a board. There is a public entity like a public company So we are no profit. We have to apply All right, then Nikhil All right, so as as the chair of the nominating committee It's my pleasure as we'll read the last section of this this meeting As for the presentation so One thing that's important that needs to be said is that as per the bylaws established procedures, you know We will be going through this voting process the the nominees that we have Carefully considered and selected for their exceptional contributions to the Drupal community their passion for open-source software and Their dedication to the goals and mission of the Drupal Association I believe their expertise and commitment make them ideal candidates for the Drupal Association board As you can see up here There are obviously certain criterias that we we Looked at while considering these nominees and based on their additions, you know it anytime you change the board There is a change in dynamic But happy to say that with the addition of the new nominees over geographic diversity actually went up Our gender diversity is going up The agent agency representation and developer expertise has stayed as consistent as it has been and Our age diversity has gone up. Well in a way that we have more younger people So having said that Happy to happy to announce that in our class to director We are Combinating in Bray Malik majoring I'm right Embray Embrays a managing partner at Dutch digital agency react online a former chair of the Dutch Drupal Association He has been contributing to Drupal for over 16 years His contributions include being a lead organizer of Dutch Drupal Camp Drupal Jam Drupal con Europe advisory committee and a co-founder and organizer of the splash awards He has also been a speaker for Drupal at Drupal events and digital marketing events international and regional marketing And has also worked on the advisory committee for Drupal con Europe the second name which is Tiffany Ferris we all know Tiffany and we are we are happy to you know move her into her second term But the third name Lenny Moskalk Lenny is a senior project manager at Cocomor AG as well as a co-organizer of Drupal Camp cave She has worked on the advisory board for Drupal Camp Europe since 2021 Including assisting with Drupal con Lil and Drupal con Prague more recently Lenny won the woman women in Drupal 2023 Award for the scale category at Drupal con Lil Lenny has had a strong presence in the Drupal community for nearly a decade other experiences include working with timeout digital Lemberg solutions and the event organizers working group Then we have a class 3 director nomination for Piyush Padar Piyush will be serving the remainder of the one-year term vacated by Rahul Piyush is currently the VP of sales and partnerships at Accelerant Passionate about the Drupal community He co-founded Jaipur Drupal user group and is one of the co-founding board members of the Drupal Association of India He has regularly worked with both Indian and international Drupal communities in organizing many Drupal events and Being a regular track chair and speaker at Drupal cons and jury at splash awards in his podcasts Human behind digital experiences at Accelerant. He speaks to digital agency leaders Empowering some of the biggest brands with transformative technology Let's give it up for Piyush Then we are happy to nominate the actual at large director Phaeloran who has been very overwhelmingly Chosen by on the executive committee's side we are happy to have Owen Lansbury as our next chair for the DA Secretary will be me Treasure we're happy to have Tiffany Ferris walk into that role. Well, actually you are into that role Let's extend in that role Or found in director, you may have heard Dries and One thing that we are changing here is we are introducing an immediate past chair Which is going to be in non-voting position, which Bhatti has very, you know Kindly agreed to Help us in the transition. So this does does not give you know a cut in the Transition between two chairs. So Haven't said that. I don't know what the what the practices for the Yep, just so just maybe you all just don't know that that we are, you know Maybe you're gonna talk about that briefly too, but we are having two people or three going out from the board It's because of the bylaws. You can only be three years and you can do two terms in six years and so on and and also what you What he was represent like talking about class 2 and class 3 that was the the formal nomination process from the nomination committee and for face position that was you that selected Faye and And she's of course a big Representative of the of the community and has a very good voice and I'm very happy to see you on board because I think you're gonna be a Very good addition to this group. So I'm very happy to have you And welcome. Oh, no, we don't need to vote because we need to rectify this even though this the community selected You we still as a board because it's bylaws. We still need to do the voting now Okay, so so we do need a motion. Yeah, we need a motion from the board So Ryan has made a motion. Do we have a second my cursor Mike? I'm letting I'm honoring. I'm honoring Ryan and Mike I'm letting Mike's made a second all in favor say a or raise your hand Any opposed say nay or don't raise your hand Okay, unanimous. It's approved Welcome new board members And before we end we're about to end the meeting and then go into Q&A so before we do I do want to say a heartfelt thank you to Ryan and Mike for your I won't say because you're gonna stay on we're not letting you go so but Ryan I really my I've only been here a year, but I really appreciated your reasoned voice and willingness to speak up and and Communicate with people, you know now not only a respectful way But a way that move the conversation along you're a very strong voice for For your issues on the board and I really respected that super respectful Mike you were always willing to pitch in and help out and speak up and I you know I That is super important and you brought the perspective that wasn't widely shared on the board And you're willing to even when you maybe fell alone willing to speak that up and say it was I if I kind of courage and just Dedication to the mission. I really appreciate so thank you both for your time Also, I want to say thank you Ryan. Thank you Mike. I want to say a quick Thank you to baddie as well even though she's gonna continue to help us in a non-board position I Want to thank baddie. I will highlight three things There's a lot to like about baddie And I have to limit myself to three things, but one is her go-getterness. I love that about you You jumped in you went above and beyond. I don't even know how many days weeks months You dedicated to the Drupal Association. I've been on weekly calls with you I know you've been on weekly calls with other people I mean it just so many hours. I suspect all the people in the red t-shirts are here to make sure they get one of their leaders back Because she's been missing in action. I'm sure partially at least Given that she has you know generously provided us so much of her time to help us Let's see what's something else to highlight Actually one of the things that I like a lot about what buddy has done It's like sort of she has connected us in really good ways like I don't know It's a special skill of you. I think but you have a way of bringing us all together And aligning us behind the same goals that I've never seen before. So thank you for that. Mm-hmm It's true, right? She has a way of look there's never been this many people even Had a public board meeting and I And I suspect baddie has a big part to play in that so you have a way of bringing everybody in the community Not just a board together and that's been real really helpful in creating the strategic plan and all of these things And then maybe last one at least is your endless Optimism you're like an optimistic leader, which is great to work with like there is not a lot of doom You know and gloom it's always positive and That's great. So thank you baddie Just to be clear, I'm not going anywhere. So If you think you can celebrate there, that's not the case No, I think yeah, I thank you so much. Thank you trees and thank you to all of you You know, you're all amazing and and of course you are the one that make a triple project Awesome and continue doing that and continue coming to us and tell us about what we should do better And how we should do things differently because It's so easy to make these changes if if the if we are all behind it. So thank you I think I'm gonna yes, no more applause is we are gonna make the official closing, right? Yeah, we need a motion to close What What time is it then all right? We are done No 442 we're done with a public board meeting Yeah, I am extremely proud because I think we In my first public board meetings that we came to I think we were like five that came, you know, and really People were that not so interested in or they were that but they were vocal about what we were doing But you know, we want to go now into the Q&A section because we want to hear from you What questions do you have? Do you have a question? So I'm just gonna put out the mic And allow you to ask a question if you want to is anybody that wants to start Everyone is super happy the question can also go to trees about, you know, so we can just start here Just a quick about the marketing. I think it's great the marketing initiative but It's at the web summit seem the very corporate event to be to be targeting and I think that's important, but I think We need to be targeting Expanding the community so the sort of things I would love to see targeted are things like maker fairs Comic-cons things that young people go to And you're looking looking to get new people into the community new people Contributing to projects So I'd love to hear if you have any thoughts on that sort of angle for it I'll jump in So thank you. Thank you for your comments about that One of the reasons to choose the web summit is because it is an enterprise kind of corporate audience And that's intentional right because we want to make sure that we as much as possible We're opening up the door for Drupal to those people that are making those digital decisions So that's one audience or that's one group So happy that we're doing that on the other side. I don't know. We haven't really talked about comic-con and not sure My son just went to the New York one the other day So we'll see what he can tell me about kind of who's going and what's going on But I do think one of the things we talked about the other day Which is on the radar is what are we doing to build the university community so that we can get the kids at Least of the college, you know the young people through college and get them exposure to Drupal I'm not sure we'll go any lower than college But certainly, you know, we'll take kind of ideas around that so and maybe yeah, maybe to add to that So we are also working towards making the onboarding journey for a contributor on Drupal dot org to be better and easier There's all these tools and like we work up with get up Of course of all these things that we can automate. So for example, if you're registered to Drupal dot org, you know Then you're like well cool But there should be something that is welcoming you and you know get you through the first contribution or show you where the Easy novice issues are and so on so I think there's many things that the marketing plan and the innovation plan is gonna include So maybe to add a little bit to that so indeed like we could go to all these fairs But if we cannot keep them after their first contribution or even if they cannot get to the first contribution It's actually not a very good investment So we have to go on two fronts. So one is to do that marketing but two is also to keep whoever joins and Associations work on these baselines on to understand. What's the ratio today of who stays and we don't really know Today, but we need to know and then we need to work to improve that ratio so that's Maybe not super helpful to that question, but I think it's gonna go in the plan Any more questions or some more? It's more it's more It's a story because I'm very very supportive of the the decision you made about like focusing on the builders I'm one of these let's say Let's say in the habitant of the village that went away came back I went to very very a lot of technology. So I love them all not only Drupal, but I went to Laval I went to different existing things and I have a wife and that Few years ago maybe two years ago asked me to make a website. So I say yeah, let's do it in in Drupal So I do a little website for her in Drupal and after two months. There was like a core upgrade and my host provider says We just close your your your website because it's insecure and I was oh god I should have spent time on the website of my wife, but I didn't want I just want a website and then it will work for at least few months few years until I need to go there because I'm no is Secure is not maybe up-to-date, but it's secure So I'm I take all the file because it's three-year-old Hosting I take all the file FTP I change of our grade everything and then I re-put everything on the website two months later Co-upgrade and the website is closed because there is a security upgrade My wife say I don't want to use Drupal and it was super sad because it was my fault But I I think there is something lesson here where we can Not talking about big company but also little users that would like to have like this kind of easy solution for builders and have something that they can use for at least few years without like being concerned too much about security and This kind of stuff I Agree I'm a I'm a big proponent of smaller sites like I've run several smaller sites on Drupal and right now every single one of them I have to do the composer upgrade manually That's all like if you're not aware of it. There is the automatic updates initiative that Will that will be in core that along with like project browser Like I said automatic updates recipes are a whole bunch of things that smaller sites need a lot of a lot of people say well Drupal is not for smaller sites even some of us and I'm like that's BS Drupal can work great for smaller sites But right now the the command line process is kind of a pain in the butt, you know But once we can get beyond that it's gonna be wonderful Trisha you want to add something to it? Yeah, I mean I think Mike said it Well like if you look at the strategic initiatives that we have right now Like the ones you just mentioned they're very much focused on sort of the ambitious side builder and Like think about automatic updates project browser. These are not things Honestly that enterprises needs right they have their ways of doing updates and all of these things They work with agencies to figure out which modules to install so a lot of the things that we're doing are specifically targeting sort of you know Smaller users if you will or you know less sophisticated organizations and that is intentional And the way I think about it is like I do think Drupal is the best solution for larger organizations or organizations But I also think about it as a funnel like we need to get people into the project because a lot of us started with smaller websites, right and then eventually Moved on to build bigger and more complex websites or we we learn about Drupal through smaller projects And then we brought it into a larger organizations And that's kind of like a funnel or mark or pipeline if you want to use kind of more business language And so a lot of these a lot of these initiatives will help. I Think the smaller users, but then also hopefully bring more people into Drupal more broadly. So You know, I think we agree with you and we're trying to do something about it I will also say like We made the decision to build Drupal on top of third-party components including symphony and a lot of the upgrades and the cadence of security updates are The result of using third-party components So like the reason we do these is because Things like Seeker editor or symphony components. They are end-of-life and when they go end-of-life We, you know need to obviously encourage our users to upgrade So my name is Sulama from West Africa in Burkina Faso So my English not very good because I'm come from a country where we speak especially French and When I'm looking around me and I look at the color of my skin I'm somewhere afraid it's not a question, but a recommendation or I'm trying to say that there is a continent Calling Africa and I don't see anything here about this continent and we have more than 3,000 person who are involved in Drupal Promotion and we are doing many things there, but no representation on the web and in the Drupal Association there is about Five years. I'm coming to all Drupal Con to see which I can reach To say them. Hey, look, please. We are here Africa But it's not yet the moment perhaps for us. Maybe I cannot integrate the Drupal ball This is not my finality, but my question is there is a plane is there a plane for Africa? Because the continent is very young and there are many people who can do something to promote Drupal there That's a great question. And thank you for asking this question because this is exactly what we want to hear We want to we want to be you know, and I think that we should get you involved and And not just that but make sure that you know I think that this is a definitely a priority for the board and it has been since I've started But I think that we can do much better And we should look at it and and try to do better. I think does anyone want to add to this Is there a plan I Am not aware of any plans specifically for Africa That being said like I'm rolling off the board, but Get in touch with baddie get in touch with anyone else here Everyone is fairly open and positive for this But what we would need is probably like what are the concrete steps that that would be most beneficial to the African community Like is there one thing that we can do that will just make make you all just get huge If you have like any type of ideas like that is is really helpful for us because as you can see We are not from Africa. So we do not we do not have your perspective I just want to add something from a learning that I have at kid lab And hopefully I can maybe transfer some of that to the Drupal ecosystem if you will I'm working together with the chaos community and also the all in open source comm is a website That they're working on badging system on how diverse your project is in both inclusivity language He she they them those those work, but also towards Regents and lots of different factors, but they're trying to figure out how to automate a little bit of that assessment And to then to give you that diamond badge of at least your projects Has some of the qualities like the qualitative ways of understanding That there's diversity in the project. It doesn't solve all the world's problems, of course And I fully fully agree with you That we should do a lot more Maybe even go beyond In the way that's possible, but that could be a start and maybe also for Drupal adork and I'm brainstorming here So there's no promises or there's nothing that I can actually decide on my own But maybe to collaborate with that initiative And allow these badges maybe on the modules or on core on other things and the Drupal Association did organize today Round table for local associations to come together because your question was is there a plan for Africa? I can say again. Is there a plan for Europe? Is there a plan for the US? Are we having as a Drupal Association a lot of Interaction with the local associations the answer is it's too little So we we did organize a local association board today And we are we are trying to figure out how we can actually get the local associations to work More stronger together with us. We had in the room strong new a strong local association that have staff members They have like a full board. They are running 500 people events and then we have people from Turkey, Turkey How do you say it in English? Turkey And a brand new community that came there and said like hey, we are new we want to start doing it Yeah, you two are here. I saw you and and we want to start doing something and get help So I think that that's something that we could do in the in the Drupal community That we're a Drupal Association where we can actually Figure out a way how we can facilitate and help each other because the power of the 15 people who are working at the Drupal Association We can only do so much that these 15 people can do but we need to enable somehow a good network And I think that was a good conversation that we had today with the local association community If I could get your contact will add you to the local association that were the group. Yes. Yes, totally more questions Thank you So yesterday in the keynote I was mentioned almost offhand that people might feel uncomfortable with the idea of the Drupal Association doing more marketing And I think I wonder if some of that conflict Maybe that people are feeling is because we see Marketing in the rest of the corporate world and how it maybe conflicts with the open web values that the Drupal Association Has said is that our core and so I'm curious if there's been any Discussions or thoughts from the board is if there is a place for Drupal to Offer a different perspective a different template on how to approach marketing specifically I'll say digital marketing because I think a lot of that doesn't apply to going to conferences and these other Areas that you're working on or whether you actually think that that's like too much for the Drupal Association to take on and Really we kind of just have to accept that the world of marketing is what it is And maybe it's a five or ten year problem for us to think about how we You know put a more open and you know privacy respecting and all of those other aspects of the open web flavor into our marketing Want me to start and then you can you can add on so I think whatever plan we come up with for marketing We will have kind of the Drupal values around it that certainly would be the goal So I'm not exactly sure what you mean when you say the corporate marketing But I will tell you that that is a lens that we will look at to make sure Nikhil jump in here, too That that's a lens that we will look at to make sure we have the right Drupal values if you will around it Does that make sense? Yeah, sure so the So so for that conference The the booth design that you shared that we don't we don't have it here But it had like a whole bunch of really like kind of open webby type type of slogans on there like your data You know a bunch of things like that, which I'm not I don't remember exactly what they were But I was like yeah open web so That doesn't quite answer your questions, but it can be done Both Nikhil and Lynn are extremely extremely intelligent with us And I think it's important like some of the low-hanging fruit because we really haven't done a concerted effort is not around that digital marketing space It's around brand awareness like that's literally where we're starting with us is just increasing Drupal's brand awareness because there are some Like in other places in open source There are some things that are easier done together and if we're constantly reintroducing Drupal either to our devs or to companies like just making sure that they're Understanding what modern Drupal is as opposed to like the legacy Drupal and that they have a good opinions about the actual product Like so I think that's important to keep in mind We're not going down the the route of really starting to do funnel conversions or any of that kind of stuff Anytime soon. Maybe you're talking about lead generation. Is that like sort of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no no no plan for that We're gonna make it impossible to delete your Drupal dot org account We you can never leave one more question. Here we go, right? From our newest board member So this question is actually on behalf of the diversity and inclusion Community it's something that we've been talking about and I have tried to Google it, but it gets buried in all of the modules, so I'm wondering is The Drupal Association does a really great job at collecting all kinds of information on the forms You know when we sign up for events like this It asks all kinds of questions about, you know, ethnicity and and and gender identity It's fantastic and the diversity and inclusion community has had some conversations about hey Can we can we get some of that data? So my question is is that data public or could it be? Right I will continue to follow up as best I can yeah, that's that's great So my understanding is it's not public today The information we collect on D.org is not public today Also, I would point out that I believe that information is voluntary people are not required to fill it out Obviously out of respect. So yes, we have the data. I'm not sure how expansive it is And I would presume at least legally it would be okay to an anonymous way May expose some of that data And so we can talk about that and that's a great question at a European conference because we are all about data privacy and we don't Exactly, so it's a great question. Thank you for that input and I think it is it's we need to stop because the The room is gonna be taken over with another session. I think yeah And we have a break but feel free to come to us Any time if you have any questions on Drupal Slack? We are there Join us anytime and thank you for coming in this really warm meeting room