 to give a talk to the students to share their knowledge. See, because our students, our friends, they always talk to us about how our faculty, especially in FKI, the students, they do not know or they do not, they say that they don't have less connection with the industry. So this is why Hafiz and PMFKI, Hafiz from MPB and PMFKI, host this event, right? So today, Mr. Daniel Wong, we talk about internships. All the students, especially from FKI, will undergo at the end of this before graduating. Last semester, they will attend the internships. So Mr. Wong here, will talk about how, about internships. So I won't spoil the details because he will talk about it and share with us. So yeah, so without further ado, Mr. Daniel, if you're ready when you are. I am born ready. So let me share my screen. So everyone see my share screen? Okay, so good. Yes. All right. So let's start, shall we? So first and foremost, thank you for having me. And my mission today is to share the experience of how local interns approach my company and why I think they can do better. So I get these internship applications emails pretty often and I think there's a much better approach. So in this sharing session, I like to focus on sharing the techniques and also some proven methods for you guys to get a better outcome when applying for internships. So as a business owner myself, right? I experience this a lot. So the upcoming methods are my personal suggestions. So some background about myself and my team. My name is Daniel and I started a digital marketing agency and I've been running this business for five years. So we help businesses to get found on Google, mainly search engine optimization. That is what we call the SEO. So if you look at the screen, right? So this one is what we call the Google Ads. This is the SEO part and this is the local SEO. So what we do is we help the businesses get found when people search for the company name or the services name. Okay, K food. How do I get involved in digital marketing? It's all about the food. So I started doing this full-time, 10 years ago, blog about KK food. And then the website get a lot of visitors, it went viral. And then people started asking me, hey, since you are from KK, we want to go to Kundasang, we want to go to this place, that place. They asked me to like recommend them where to go, where to play, sort those itineraries for them. So what I did was I passed the context to my friends who runs a local travel agency. And then by the end of the month, right, that friend, he gave me a check. It's a commission. So I was like, eh, how come I get money? Yeah, you send me recommendation. So this is your commission. So I asked him, can I repeat this? Can I do this? Can I send more people to you? And then that is how it started. So what I did was I built more websites and I brought customers to different kinds of industries. Like for example, car rentals, climb Mount Kinabalu, hotel bookings, spa reservation. So every time I refer people to them, right, by the end of the month, I will get some sort of like a commission. So I do this slowly, slowly over the years it became my full-time income. So people started looking for me. So that's how I got started in this industry. So these are the businesses that I've worked with, UT, Medicinal Asthma, Zaya. So these are some of the names that probably you guys heard before. And between my digital marketing career, right, past 10 years, I think this one is 2012, 11, 2000. When I come back from my studies, right, I opened up a cafe business and I also opened up a bakery and also a travel agency. So this one, ZENQ is more notable ones. So during the peak time, there are 12 outlets in East Malaysia. So in terms of NGO and charity, I was a president of Rotary Club of Likas Bay during 2015, also a founding member of BNI Borneo Eagles, a business networking group. In 2019, I received an honor from Sabah State for the contributions and achievements. So that pretty much sums up my past 36 years in a few slides. Well, awesome. Thank you. Thanks for clipping. I saw that. Okay. The Musang King principle. I'll show you guys a way to stand out from all of your competitors and by using the Musang King principle. So this is the 2021 internship guide which was created within this week. How to get an internship in 2021, five steps method. So step number one, don't become a banana. So I will explain what is banana. Step two, apply smart method in laser focusing what you want to achieve. Any pending, okay? So step number three, use your network and your assisting resources. And number four, applying the right mindset. And number five, preparing for the interview. So if the time allows, I will go continue with the bonus slide. So step number one, don't become a banana. Okay. Don't become a banana, become a Musang King. So if you guys don't know what Musang King is, a durian, the most premium durian currently in the market. So what's the difference between a banana and a Musang King durian? So a banana, a banana, if your Westerners call it, is non-seasonal, okay? So it's found anyway, everywhere. You can find it in the supermarket. So they are some sort of like a commodities. So I'm not saying about the Chinese that doesn't speak Mandarin, not that kind of banana. So in other hand, Musang King is highly selected, premium and sought after by many people. So what we want to become, we want to become the king of fruits, the durian, the Musang King. Okay, so why most internship applications don't get read? This is based on my observation, okay? So a lot of the applicants, they follow the same SOP. They're filling the same application template and the only difference between those applicants are the designs and the color. So within those details, right? They are like, I'm hardworking, I'm willing to learn. So those kinds of things, everything's the same for us. The first few ones we say, oh, this one is very good, but once you get a lot of those numbers, right? Everything becomes repetitive. So nothing stands out. So what they do, right? Mostly for the interns, right? They call us, so this is the SOP. They call us, they ask. Hello, is this Mr. Daniel from Bingo Digital Marketing? Do you have internship spot available? I say no, then they say, ah, okay, thanks. So if I say yes, then they will say, I'll send you my resume, okay, thanks, bye. So the problem is, after they send the email, right, they do not follow up. So I have to let you know that business owners are busy. So what you need to do is follow up with them and show them that you are keen. So what can you do differently from the rest? Number one, put an upfront effort, which I will mention this in following slides, follow up frequently and provide value from the beginning. So this is a good example. And then secondly, the winning applicants also do this. They apply the winner mindset. What is the winner mindset? They build relationships upfront. And then, or they connect through someone that the company can transform. So we are using the relationship factor here. So I'll show you how to use this method. So let's start. Step number two, apply the smart method. So smart is an acronym for specific, measurable, attainable, relevant, and time-oriented, a useful method in setting goals and achieving it. So I want to know, right, within all the audience, moderator, how many people has heard of this before? Can you just like put up your hands or do some like emoticons? So there I want to know, I want to know how many people have heard of this before? Yeah, for those who have heard, please put a thumbs up. And for those who haven't, please put a thumbs down. Just click and then, like for me, I have never heard, so I put a thumbs down. Okay. A lot of people putting thumbs down, thumbs down, thumbs down. Ah, okay, all right. Yeah. So generally they haven't heard of it before. Okay, good. So it looks like the only a minority, Langsung Theda Orang knows about this. So never mind, I'll explain to you. Let's go through this. Inilacara cara entang jari smart. Okay. So S stands for specific. So what for, how do I start this? So specific means what will my goals achieve? So you have to ask yourself these questions. What is the precise outcome that I'm looking for? And what do I want to learn? I'll give you guys one example. So I want to look for a location to work from within a 5 km from my house. So this one is very specific. You already know what you want. So what is measurable? Measurable is how will I know when I've completed the goal? What does success looks like? So example for you guys, I want to work with a small company, maybe a company size less than 10 people. So this one is measurable because there's a number there. Attainable. Do I have assisting connections or unique abilities that could help me land a position? Are there any resources that I can use? So example for this is my uncle has a friend who is working in the digital marketing industry and I can start from there. R stands for relevant. Why am I doing this? How does this internship improve my future? Example, I think digital marketing is a trend in the future. It already is. So there is absolutely a demand for this. Last one, time-oriented. So what is the deadline for this goal? Will I know in few weeks that I'm on the right track? Example, in a week's time, I will get contact number for at least five companies. And in one month's time, I will secure three interviews. So you go through this exercise and you will have a better understanding of what you're looking for. Copy-paste the message to your network. Okay, so here's an example of the message that we've generated. So before applying the smart method, generally, typically people will have answers like this. A, I'm looking for an internship that's challenging and rewarding. So it's very vague, like no direction. It could be anything. After applying the smart method, which is a better method, it will turn out something like this. I am looking to intern with digital marketing agency which has less than 10 people in a company to help my career in becoming a social media manager. I will start by reaching out to five of the best companies within the Jalan-Sulaman area. Can you see the difference between the bad and the good example? So after you generate this message, right, you copy and then you'll spread it to your network. So far so good, ladies and gentlemen, am I going too fast? No, it's okay, give a thumbs up. All right. So I continue, huh? Yeah. Step three, use your network. So my best recommendations would be to start from the friends and family first. So who are your friends and family? It could be your parents' friends. Could be your parents' friends' friends or your friends' friends uncle, okay? So it could be anyone. Try to spread out as far as possible. And then you copy the message you generated previously, right? You paste it out, you send it to them. Let them know exactly what you're looking for. And of course, besides the friends and family, there are some like public job boards, Facebook groups, forums, you can do the same thing. You go there, apply a new account and then say, I'm looking for this, this, this, this. So you put in the goals that we generate previously. It's very simple. Copy, paste the message, send to those people, personally or through groups, but personally are the best. Don't over complicate it. That's it. Because you are like spreading and then you are looking, looking everywhere. Then you move to step four, apply the Musang King mindset and take massive action. Who have you tried to reach out to? So if you ask the banana, banana, the banana mindset, the banana, I would say, I try sending out 10 emails to all companies. I found in Google, but I don't know anyone else. I'm just a student. How can they expect? I know these people. So this is a banana mindset. Okay, I should stop that. The Musang King, okay. So if you ask the Musang King, who have you reached out to? Musang King got a very good answer, not the best answer, but a good answer. So he says, first I applied smart method and I know exactly what I'm looking for. I posted the message in my social media, like Facebook and Instagram. I even recorded a TikTok video because I already have a following day. I share the same video in my WhatsApp contact too. I also mentioned what I'm looking for when I was talking to my parents, my parents' friends, my parents' friends, friends. And one of them knew a director at the company I want to work for. So we are having a coffee tomorrow, okay? Since you are spreading out to a lot of places, right? Here's a good tip. You create an Excel sheet and then you'll keep it organized. How many people you approach and then what sort of response that you get? Why is this important? Because this is a sheet for you to follow up. So here's another bonus method that I like to share with you guys, which I think will be highly effective if used correctly, which is by reaching out to your Assisting Alumni Network, GDMS Alumni, okay? So let's view this in, okay. So this is the sample email template. Okay. So how do I start with this? So here's template analysis. I started reading my own writings. Sorry. Okay. So you write to the alumni, Nulina, okay? For example, and then from Hafiz, okay? Your president. You write down the subject, your EMS grade from which faculty and then we love to check, chat about your work at Google. So hi, Nulina. My name is Hafiz. I go to school at UMS, which faculty and came across your name on our alumni site. So the bold text are the explanation of why you need to write like that. This one I will not go through with you guys because it's pretty self-explanatory. So you just follow the format, change a bit here, change a bit there, and then ta-da, you have an email already, okay? So yeah. So if you want to access the template, right? There you go. I give you 30 seconds. You can either copy this link or you can take your phone and scan the QR code. 30 seconds, okay? So I, minimum I have to look. All good, everyone? Okay, I see a lot of thumbs up. When you're done, send me a thumbs up and I see a lot of reaction, then I will move forward, huh? Thanks, Abigail. A lot of thumbs up. Okay. Also the link in the chat. So just, you guys can just click on it and give it later. That's fantastic. Well done, thank you. So let's recap, huh? Ladies and gentlemen, before the final step, let's recap what we've learned so far. Step one, why? Most internships, applications don't get rid. Step two, applying the smart method. Step three, use your network. And step four, becoming the Musang King, okay? You have to use the right mindset. And the final step, step number five, prepare for the interview. So what have you prepared for the interview? The banana is here again. The banana I would say, I spent one hour browsing the websites, Google the news about them and also their latest postings on social media. And that's it. That's what the banana do and only did, only do. What about the Musang King? You asked him the questions, hey, have you prepared for the interview? The Musang King will say, oh, I already met with three people on the team before the interview. So I know exactly what the challenges were. I will try my best to achieve A, B, C. So you list down now, what the company is facing right now, the challenges. It doesn't necessarily have to be like a very important ones, even the small ones also can. So, okay, we continue. So during the internship there and soft part of the assisting problem. Here's a tip, another tip for you guys. Before the interview, right? Prepare one to five pages of action item list that you can help with the company. So you write down the current challenges, you agak-gak lah, because the challenges is not necessarily 100%, right? Then, list down the actions that you can do for the company. Pass the notes to the company interviewer during the interview session lah, okay? So you say, wow, sounds pretty hard, right? Too much work so far. I'm just looking for an internship, that's good. If you put in the effort, you are way ahead of everyone else. So I really believe, right? In doubling the effort to get 10 times the return. So, okay, since we still have time, here's a quick bonus and also to summarize my sharing for today lah. Always remember this, okay? Ladies and gentlemen, the question is always, is what does the company wants, okay? So the answer is, the best internship is knowing that you will add value to the company. So this one is very important. So I have to use my own profile pictures. And then I also have to repeat this one more time for you guys. The best internship is knowing that you will add value to the company. I don't know what you're saying. Okay, that's pretty much it from my presentation. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Daniel for the sharing. Thank you very much. Clap, clap. Okay. So, yeah, so thank you to the participants. Thank you, Mr. Daniel, for the participants for joining, it's already 50. So we started at about 20. Or 20 plus lah. 20 plus lah. So yeah, in less than 30 minutes, you guys got all this knowledge. So yeah, so for those who joined today, you are already way ahead of the people that didn't join, right? All right. So before we go into the Q&A, I would like to, what lah? Talk a little bit lah. And then ask questions and then, by the way, go to the participants. Right, so at the start kan for bingo digital, you said that your company create websites. So are you guys like coders, like programmers or? We are more likely like a marketer instead of coders because right now kan, you build websites, you don't require any codes anymore. It's more drag and drop and then making the website looks good and then also user friendly when you browse the website because if you don't design it accordingly, right? What we call the UIUX user interface and user experience, you will find it very difficult to use the website. Let's see. And then after we build the website, right, we make sure that people know what the message is about and then they pick up the phone and contact our client. So we are generating business lah, directly for the client lah. So you don't need to know coding to make websites. Sikit sikit mesti maulah. Oh yeah lah. But like, you don't need to build website using peer coding so that can't because... No, we don't have to use HTML here. Yeah. Okay. Just spread it straight forward right now. Then for, no, for all the points kan, smarts, smarts, as a student I can relate a lot lah because the, especially the good and bad templates, I think almost all the students will use, you know, like how to write the best email and then just copy paste that. The wordings kan, you said only the designs are different. Yeah. So I can relate to that because I also use like search for, and then the bombastic words to impress the... Last time siap pun be gitu, so it's okay. Yeah. So but you said that, you know, to be a Musang king, you have to take the extra effort rather than just writing yang, yang writing yang berbunga-bunga, all that. For network kan, because I was part of the, I am part of the Perston Musang FKI, I would like to give my, to let the participants know that don't underestimate the power of one connection. You know that because, just previously the president of FKI, yeah, I think in 2019, he and his team tried to start reaching out to companies, and he tried to email a lot of companies and at the end only got one, one. And because of that company, it's a company is called Pundan Digital of Ramutan Fund Academy. Because of them, that one connection, and then they also introduced us to more connections of other industry. And then two years later, 2021, we have this talk, industrial talk. That one connection builds up more connection coming in and then until now. Yeah, right. So, yeah, so even if you have one connection, you know, please build at least one connection. Yeah, at least one if you don't have, even though you're a student, right? So, yeah, so let's go to Q and A. So, all right, so the first one, do you look at CGPA if an intern apply for internships? Not really, it doesn't matter. What I look for is the attitude. Attitude. Yes, attitude. During the interview. Even before the interview, so like for example, they call us and then they ask a few questions and then they have to like keep on following up and say, hey, have you looked at my resume and then what do you think? Is there any things that I can help you with? So, those kind of like attitude, but they are willing to learn, like willing to help the company to solve some issues, right? That one's pulling best. Like for example, do you need someone to write some articles for your website's blog? Or do you need some design? Or do you need some people to shoot some videos like that? Mm-mm. So, CGPA is just a site, site to jala. Yeah. Oh, you don't look at all. You don't look at all. Yeah. What we do is, okay, show me what you did last time. Like for example, if they say they want to do some graphic design work for us, then we say, show us your portfolio and then who you work with or if you don't have past experience, show me your previous work. That's it. And then also during the communication, we will see the frequency ngam kati dalah. Because some of them, if you talk to them, you ask them like a few questions, they answer you, yes, no, yes, no, then that one is very difficult to communicate. I see. Okay. So moving on, we have another one. Okay, so hi, I would like to know how to apply internship without recommendation letter, means the person is self-applying. It says that I'm quite curious, how do we exactly use a smart method for internship? Is it when applying internship or when we prepare to send the application information to the employer? So this one, the smart, right? So there are a few questions there. So I'll say it one by one. The smart method is a method for you to align your goals so you know what you're looking for. Okay, so the smart method is after you apply it, you will get a message and then the message can't you spread around, you let people know what you're looking for. So that's it. The interviewer may not know about the smart thing. The smart thing is... It's only for yourself. The smart method is only for yourself. So you know what you're looking for. Is a smart method like invented by you or... Tidak, tidak, tidak. If you Google smart method, it will be like everywhere. A lot of case studies, how to use it. And then you can use it on various occasions. Various scenarios. So this one for the internship, I just apply it here and then to show you guys how it's working. So... As a framework. Yeah, as a framework. So you ask me another questions about the recommendation letter, right? Yeah, yeah. Can you be more specific about the recommendation letter? So let me ask you guys a question first. So before, like for example, Osana, you go and apply for an internship. Yeah. And then, do you require to get a recommendation before you apply the internship? Did I apply up again? Recommendation. Because the people approached me, they were like direct, since they said I was recommended by shapa, shapa, shapa, to your company. Oh, so I wasn't aware of that. For faculty, we have. Oh, I see, I see. For lecturers, yeah. Oh, so for us, it doesn't matter. For private, private sector, it doesn't matter. As long as you say you want to, like, approach me and then approach me through social media, ask me a few questions. And then we, we chat a bit, and then you can ask the questions. Hey, are you looking for interns? Okay. So yeah, so next. So hi, Mr. Daniel, this is from Gina. Thank you for the very refreshing talk since you talked about the interns that you like in terms of attitude. I want to ask what kind of attitude that you don't want in an intern. I guess the big nose time in the intern. The big nose, I need to know. I've already done my research. So the first one is the intern gun. They take the internship too casually. They might jump back to Roma. So that one we don't like. Also, we don't like those interns that avoid tasks. You pass this task to them. They say, yeah, sir, I don't know how to do this. I, yeah, sir, I don't like to do that. So those one, those attitude we don't like. So even though the task, sometimes a very simple or very challenging task, it doesn't matter as long as you're able to show us that you have the attitude to say, oh, sir, I do not know how to do this, but I will look it up on Google and then I get back to you if I have any questions. So those are the positive attitude we're looking for. And another, maybe the last one, not asking for feedback. So they complete the task, they damn, damn, they sit there. They're not asking for feedback until the end of the day. And then until next day, we ask them, hey, how's the task? Then they're only enough. Here's the task. So that one we also don't have. Not practice, la. OK. So before we go to. I have answered Gina's questions. Gina? OK, la. If she's still up. Yes, yes, thank you. OK, so before we go to moving on to the next one, by Pazira, I would like to ask, no, it's a bit a, probably a sensitive topic. So, so intense, you know, like intense, like, what do you think about paid and unpaid intense? Because I paid and unpaid intense. OK, so talk about money, then become sensitive, la. So for us, I'm not representing the entire company. So I'm talking about myself thoughts, la. Since the intern, they are approaching us and then they wanted to fulfill the semester. Punya, I don't know, credit card. Fulfill the obligations, la. So they approach us and then they expect us to teach them something, but then. So if the interns, they come here, and they say, Mr. Daniel, I like to get paid. So for us directly, it's like. You come here, I have to teach you things, use my own time to teach you things. And then the task that you produce, not necessary, up to standard. And then I have to pay you some money in order for you to learn things. So for us, it's like, hey, how come we are taking even more responsibility? Why we want to burden ourselves? So that one is our thoughts, la. My thoughts, la, on behalf of my company, la. So I'm not too sure about the government side or other sectors. Maybe they have the quota for interns because they wanted to prepare for the future hiring process. But for us, since my team is only like six to seven people, so we are very like, we're looking after the cash flow, and then we make sure that everyone that joins our team can, they are contributing. So even if the interns join us, we also like, OK, join us. They are a located task for you. And then you have to complete this by the end of your internship. So that is our approach. OK. So your company doesn't pay, la. Instead, you company teach the value that the company giving to the interns is the skills, la, that they will get. Yes, correct. Unless there are some exception, unless that interns, right, they really perform very well and then exceeded our expectation and then the task that they're doing really well and then we are willing to like, OK, we pay you a project by project basis. Since you are doing really high standard work already, so we don't have to like, get them what to do this, what to do next, like that. So there's always exception. Always exception. There's always possibility, la. Yes, correct. Money sensitive topic, kan? Yes, correct. OK, so thank you for that, Mr. Daniel. So yeah, for next one from Fazira. So I think asking, I think asking frequently about our internship application will annoy the company. It's just my guess, though. Considering this, what will be the adequate amount of time to ask like in a week or a month period? Or we just go for it? I think, yeah. Just go for it. I think the person that is asking, she wants to know whether, if asking, you know, always asking the... You've been to or from what, to Mashallah? Yeah. So what do you think? Will they, will you feel annoyed? Like, you have to engage it in not an aggressive way. Like, for example, you, after you send the resume, right, you have to like leave a text message or give the owner or the company a simple call. Hey, I just sent you an email. Please check. Do you mind if I get back to you in a few days time? If they say, OK, no problem, then you just follow up. So that is actually what we do to our clients as well, because some of the clients, right, they engage us and they ask for our quotation. We give them the quotation. They not necessarily have the time to like look at it. So we approach them again a few days later and then we ask for permission. Hey, do you mind me following up? If they say, oh, no problem, then we keep on following up until we get the answers. Either it's a yes or no. So some of our clients, we follow up until one year, two years. Keep on following up. So if you have, you don't have to be aggressive. So not every time also like annoying punyaba. So we also like as a business owner, right? We also like people to like follow up with us some time. So maybe what the follow up maybe once a week. Is it OK, right? Once a week? Normally we once a week, yes. If the problem is when the company doesn't reply. That's a big problem. Assuming that one. Yeah. So normally we just give them a phone call if the company wants to send an email. Have a look at it. If they say no, then OK. Call again and one to two days time. Yeah, for those who have introverts or social anxiety, this will be hard. To directly call. This is very challenging. Yes, correct. Correct. Yeah. But the best way I think is not through email. Like for example, if interns approach me, I prefer them to like engage me unofficially like sending DMs through like Instagram, Facebook. Social media. Saying hi, social media. And then just say hi. I notice your work. And then sometimes again, not necessarily talk about like internship. You can ask about what I do. What sort of tasks are available? And then talk, talk, talk, talk. And then say, oh, if we are the right frequency, then you can ask the questions. Hey, actually, I'm looking for interns. Are you available? So you don't have to treat the companies like monster. They are real people also. Just that sometimes they are very busy. Then you have to put the effort to like follow up. If the people already know who are you, like for example, your uncle's friend, then they will not, they will like notice you, but I'll say, oh, Austin is my friend's son, for example. Then if he engage me, then I will take some time to reply him. Like because there's already some connection there. That's the connection. So the relationship matters, especially in KK, such a small place. Yeah. All right. So a lot of quite a lot of question. OK, let me read one here. So from Nur-Azila. So hello, Mr. Daniel. Thank you for the active talk so far. So what type of value that most companies seek from an intern? Value, what's the value? Yeah, I mean, so what do you want as a business owners? Not sure, but just answer based on your understanding. OK. Try to repeat the questions again. I see if I can answer it from a different perspective. So hello, Mr. Daniel. Thank you for the. OK, so what types of value that most companies seek from an intern? OK, so what we want from an intern? Yeah, yeah. So what we want is number one. Able or the ability to solve problems. Even if it's a very small problem, like the trash. Tongsampar per no. Pandai pandai lah. OK, even if it's a very small task, OK, you saw. Maybe the files are a bit messy. Tolong sort out a bit. So be proactive. We are not asking you to come here to become like a kakak to clean up the office or anything like that. But if you can apply the mindset, get the positive mindset to be proactive. And that one, we are very, very happy. So this person is very active, proactive. And then also another thing. Ask questions that make sense. Some of them just ask questions for the creation sector. So we already know the answer. They already know the answer. But they keep on asking the same questions. So you got to know that out. So yeah, I hope I have answered your questions. If not, you try to ask me again. OK, so let's go. OK, Gina again. This is a good question. Just to follow up on the question from the moderator just now. Is there a chance for interns talking about the company to get a job offer after they have completed the internship? Oh, yes, definitely. That's what you're planning to do, right? We always expect the interns to like continue to stay because we already teach them what to do. We already guided them, right? If the frequency is right, we really hope that you can stay. And then we, most of us expect you to stay. Or really, I think just like come and go. If come and go gone, then for us, it's like really wasting time. If we see that you fit the culture well, the entire team like works along very well, can't we even like say, hey, you don't don't do the interns, we straight away give you money, you straight away become like full-time here. Even if you are studying, you can do this work from home. We also, OK, for my industry. OK, because you really train the interns about your company. We already trained them. They know what we want. They know our SOP. Safe time training, but hiring a new, fresh, new. I see, yes, yes, yes. So as an intern, I'll share you some more tips. When you are intern, you're working for some company. Here are a few tips. So first day, you arrive there. I know this one for the introvert, Susani, introduce yourself to everyone. Don't sit at the corner and then pretend that you are busy because you are not. You go in, some one, some one, talk to people during lunchtime car, after work car, you go there and talk to each other. Hi, my name is. And I'm new intern here. Is there anything that I can help you with? You just provide some favor for them. Let them know that I'm here to help. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. OK, and then secondly, you go there, you watch and learn. Do not stay at your laptop. Do your own things. You go there, sit beside people, watch and learn, ask questions. And then try to report your daily progress to someone. If you don't have anyone to look, if there's no one to look after you, right, you record the daily progress yourself, like what I've achieved today, what I've done today, what I've learned today, you just write it down on the notebook. It will be like hugely beneficial for you and the company. So by the end of the internship, you got a list of things that you learn and then you can show it to your teacher or show it to the owner. Say, hey, the business owners, here are the things that are achieved during my stay here. These are the values that are provided to your company. Would you like to like continue the internship or the continue full-time hire or something like that? So yeah, without your daily progress. OK, that is a good tip, because I guess if you're an intern, if you are busy and not talk to everyone and expect people to approach you, I think that's anything you should be the other way around. You should be the one who talk to everyone. Yes, correct. OK, so for your mind is thinking, so that right now you're already forgot what to ask me next. Yeah, true. OK, so next. Hi, from your opinion, Daniel, how to apply internship for students that still haven't come to the real internship? Would you suggest some criteria on self-applying? Self-apply, no problem. OK, self-apply, OK. Just say, this is not my internship session, but I'd like to have some real-world work experience. Start from there. So, during this same break, you can just even without the recommendation or official letter just come. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we are not expecting any recommendations from the schools at all. To be honest, we are like, we even wanted more to see those applicants who do the self-initiative to say, hey, the school, the things that they teach in school, it's like no use, no longer useful for me, so I like to go and work and then work for someone else, someone to mentor me. And then I like to have a real work-life experience for that one gun. If we see that you took the initiative, that one, that attitude, very good. So, as long as you are able to show the attitude that I'm willing to learn. So, first year, second year or third year, you don't have to wait until fourth year for internship again. During the semester break, because the next semester break is about 10 weeks break, 10 weeks. So, if the company is already open and COVID hopefully goes down, the case goes down, then businesses are open, I think you can try to apply. Yes, definitely, because no harm. You can start applying now, no harm. If people reject you, it's okay, totally okay. Don't steal, steal, cry. Because rejection is very normal. Okay, so I think me or the other students, I think we feel rejection like this. Don't be, don't be. So, this one, during your time at your MSGUN, that's the best time for you to get this type of rejection. Take it all in, it's okay. So, the more rejection you get, it's the better, because you know that the next one is coming closer to you. Okay. Alright, so Fazira, one more question, Mr. Daniel. Is this talk considered a connection? Yes, consider a connection, yes. DM me lah, Instagram, Facebook. I just mentioned you attended his talk, Mr. Daniel's talk, and then you liked the talk, or you agree or disagree some of his points, and then, from there you guys can connect. Yeah, yeah, so I'm very approachable. You just ask me any questions that you don't have to mention that you are from UMS, engage my talk, anything you just mentioned. Can you tell what you're up to, what you're doing? Okay. So, Fazira, this talk is a connection, so this way Hafiz organizes the program into the industry tech talk. So, all the speakers, previous speakers can, you guys can also approach them. I think they're friendly if they're open, like Mr. Daniel here. Yes, even I also want to engage with them. See? Because I don't know any of them, so yeah, I like to make the connection. See through you or through Hafiz. Okay. All right, so any more questions? Okay, one more for me. Can you share with us experience of your best and all worst interns? The best interns? Yeah, some of the, so you can model. Okay, so the best interns, let me think, let me think. The best interns would be, okay, I found a good example. So, I think her name is Samantha. So, when she joined us, right? She immediately like say, okay, this is, these are the skill sets that I have. So, she came from my parents, friends introduction, okay, and they are their daughter. So, they came in and say, I'm good at what sort of skills like Photoshop, illustrations, and then they show us their previous works. So, we know what her skill set was. And then she immediately asked for like, okay, is there anything that I can help you with? So, by that time, she's only like 19, preparing for overseas studies. So, since we know there's the skill, ABCD, right? Then we immediately say, oh, here are the tasks. Yeah, you can go and give it a try. So, immediately she get to work. So, along the way, she found some questions, but she did not immediately bring it to us because those are the questions guns. You can find the answers on Google or YouTube. So, she seek solutions from online sources. And then, this is the best part. She brought the problems to us and say, okay, I'm facing a problem here. I got stuck in this part, this part, this part. And then I already found a solution on Google and then there are five solutions there. So, which is the best solution for this problem? So, that's the attitude that we want because she is not bringing us problems. She is bringing us solutions. She is bringing the value to the company. So, she is not wasting our time sitting there to teach her step by step. She is more like, hey, I've done all the research. You just point me the right directions and then continue. She just continue to do. So, unfortunately, she only stay with us for three months before she went to overseas studies. So, that's the best case scenario. But the worst? Yeah, the worst. The worst one came in. Okay, first came in late and then did not explain why. Damn damn sit at the corner, turn on the laptop, pretend that he's very busy and not taking any initiative to ask us questions or... Yeah, so, she just waited us to give him tasks. And then once he's completed with the tasks, they are damn damn we have to follow up. Hey, how's the task? Then only he report. If not, the entire day he pretends busy to be in front of computer. You see him like scrolling, doing things. In the end, they're about to be busy. Just pretending to be busy. So, that's the worst case scenario. Okay. All right. So, questions stop closing already. So, it's almost 11.30. So, I guess I can wrap it up. Can finish it. All right. So, if no more, then I'd like to thank Mr. Daniel again for sharing his knowledge, sharing his views, spending time, busy time, especially on a weekend, we can supposed to be resting day. But he's here, willing to share his knowledge, connect with the students. So, again, big thank you without you and without all the participants here, this program do not work out. So, yeah, so thank you very much. Thanks for having me. I'll be very happy to share. I hope you guys learn from this sharing. Although it's a very short one. A short but very meaningful one. Okay. So, for this connection, I'd like to thank Mr. Hafiz and the board. It's a great help. It's always not great feeling when you manage to help someone. Okay. Hafiz, I'm not sure where. Somewhere in the crowd. Okay. So, yeah, so the feedback form. Okay. So feedback form is in the chat. So please fill in before you, after the end of the session. So, lastly, before we end, so we're going to have the same one like last week and previous talk, we're going to have a group photo. So, I hope that more people will join us in this photo taking session. So, for those who are brave, those who want to get out of the shell, this is the first step to be different from the other. Yeah. I just wear a mask. Okay. Because we want to post on the Facebook, but for shell medium. So, all right, not only three. Okay. So, we're going to count until 10. We're going to count until 10. And then we're going to take a picture. Okay. So, please open your mic for those who are who wants to be brave. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, nine and a half. Okay. Let's take a picture. It's better than last week. I'll take it. Okay. So, who's Gina? I think it's Pecan. Keep it coming, guys. One, two, three. Okay. Have a nice weekend, everyone.