 Mr. breakfast and plus TV Africa we're about to look at the first major conversation the consensus of River State APC and the choice of a Cuba candidate. Now ahead of the 2023 general elections the leadership of the all-progressive Congress has picked Lagos based businessman Tonya Cole as a standard bearer in River State while 10 governorship aspirant from the River Rhine extraction including Tonya Prince Will and Mr. Dacoco Peterson had signed a pact to support whoever emerged amongst them. There seemed to be a lot of disagreement with the emergence of Tonya Cole as the Cuba candidate for the APC. Also Magnus Abbey who is an aspirant had declared his interest to contest the governorship position on the platform of the APC also kicked against the candidacy of Tonya Cole as he described it as a process of fraud adding that the business mogul would not be accepted by the APC delegates. We do have joining us this morning to make sense of all that's happening in River State as regards the APC Okunabonkataria. Good morning Okunabonkataria it's good to have you join us this morning. Good morning nice to meet you again. Yes good to have you join us. So what do you really mean? Good morning Justin. Good morning. Thanks for joining us in the show. So let's get to the conversation. Can you quickly tell us what's happening with the River State APC as regards their choice of governorship candidates? Well in fact whatever I have to tell you is based on my perception and the background of opinion as the member of the public. Like I tell people I'm not a member of the APC I'm not a member of the APC and so my views are disinterested. Oh my god whenever I don't want to sit on the deck but you can hear me can you? Go ahead. Well we can hear you go ahead. Okay very good very good. So I'm not a member of the APC of PDP so when I leave my views on this issue they are disinterested but I have it on very good authority and I know and it's full secret like you rightly said the hopeful because I think you become an aspirant when you bite it off am I the wrong? So the guba hopefuls signed a pact that we are going to support whoever is eventually elected as the candidate of the party and that pact was signed some weeks back and the other idea that I write now is that the what they meant was that at the end of the primaries whoever emerges will be supported by every other person and not before the primaries. Now the standard barrier of the party without the guba electoral is trying to hold and the choice the process has been impugned has been questioned by his other colleagues who have been signed a pact because they are saying no that what they meant was after the primaries that not before the primaries. So they are impugning the way for you to be met they believe that it was architecture for him to admit and well I agree some persons like Honorable Chief Michael West Tire Prince Will and Co have accepted Tire Coal as the standard barrier but then few other persons have dissented because they they believe that the process wasn't credible enough that it was orchestrated and that was that dissension is the problem that the party is going to have right now. I'm talking of the camp of right under the chemical energy. Now you also have the issue of the Magnus Abbey camp. Of course you all know that the APC reverse is split into two camps. You have Magnus Abbey, you have right under the chemical energy. Now the Magnus Abbey camp is an older system that Magnus Abbey will contest and Magnus Abbey himself has said should he fail at the primaries he is going to accept anybody but no candidates are requested on the party and on the justice. So that is the partner right now it is a little bit worrisome that just there are about 10 people. You have Honorable Chief Honorable David, you have Dawaring George, you have the Coal-Coal Peter site, you have Michael West, you have Tire Prince Will, about about 10 of them are there about who signed and passed and they all belong to the right of the few candidates camp. Now that is the camp there can you state here now that that is the camp that will be recognized by the federal by the national government because they can be seen. The chairman of the APC reverse team belongs to that camp and not the Magnus Abbey structure. So that is one camp that as far as the APC reverse concern that is the APC reverse group. Now the fact is these are the persons who also signed that pass. Of the how many about 10 of them only to count the babies, Tire Prince Will and Michael West have come up to say they accept architect Tire Coal as their standard bearer. The rest are silent and to me that is so minor because it dredges up the solid experience of 2019 you know where the internal work means who stripped the APC of partaking, they are having the point of partaking in 2019 elections. And so I am a little bit worried that if out of about 10, only three persons have come out openly to say they agree then does Tire Coal, what of the other? Some might even come up to say yes when does Tire Coal in the open why they might be fifth column. I am not saying in the Netherlands central, I am not saying they are fifth column, I am saying and we are just giving an analysis of the situation as politicians they think they are the fifth column. If the process they believe, if the site has been stopped lost, they believe that the process is not transparent enough. What makes you think that they might not become fifth columnists? We all know that for example Magnus Abbey was a member of the APC, really took the APC to court with his own intention although the special visit was that they really carried it out transparent. But his own intention was if I am not going to get it, then I will also ensure that we are going to be able to get it. So open up on Tire, you are saying that- Because it is a personal thing, I am not in the interest of the party. So how are we sure that these other ones are also not going to play the role that Magnus Abbey played into it, it might be. All right, open up on Tire, let's come back a bit. I cannot speak, one minute. I cannot tell you, I cannot ascertain the apocryphalness or veracity of that. Who has come up to say, really, really, really, he is going to contest. He was also one of the secretaries, we also signed that part. So I am also scared that these issues are not resolved in the party. What happened in 2019, we might have a rehash of what happened in 2019. Open up on Tire, let's come to this. Open up on Tire, let's start with the issue of the- I am quitting. Let's come back to this. I mean, we are trying to understand what is really happening with the River State APC as regards the issue of consensus and the candidate that has emerged. Now, if you look at the electoral act, of course, the 2022 bill that has been put in place, it talks about consensus candidate. It says the political party that adopts a consensus candidate shall secure the written consent of all clad aspirant for the position indicating the avalon tree withdrawal from the race and the endorsement of a consensus candidate. Also, for the states that in that paragraph B, that where a political party is unable to secure a written consent of all clad aspirant for the purpose of a consensus candidate, it shall revert to the choice of direct or indirect primaries for the nomination of candidates for the aforementioned or, you know, aforesaid elective position. Justin, a sentence. Do you think that, you know, the candidacy of Tony Cole meets the requirement of the law? Well, if you talk of speaking, speaking legally, the truth about it is that, just like you rightly said, as you rightly quoted, you know, not that you're going to have primaries, whether it's going to be direct or indirect. Even in consensus, because they must all appear that ready and openly declare their support for the consensus candidate. Any day short of that is illegal, I will nullify the primaries. So, you're not definitely going to have primaries. For example, Magnus Abbey has existed and he started campaigning for his governorship ambition. So, definitely you're going to have primaries. Even if, for instance, it is the consensus candidate for the faction, the right of the people who are in this faction, I don't think we want to call it a faction because it has been recognized by the, for example. So, even if the right call is not recognized, or it has been accepted by the consensus candidate, and Magnus Abbey decide, you're definitely going to have the primaries. That is what. Now, even if Magnus Abbey eventually agrees, even if he acquires it, it's okay, I say, you're still going to have the primaries. It is, and it's very of the primaries that they will now make public, make known, openly declare their support for the consensus candidate. So, if you have a primaries, that's when you're going to have primaries. Now, if, for example, the life of Odukaye too, with also dissenting a lot of them, a lot of them are upset with the way they're called in marriage. So, even Odukaye, unless it's been placated before the primaries, the day of the primaries, Odukaye will even come out to confess. And so, you're not going to rise now to speak. You're not going to talk about the consensus candidate, because you see how dissenting So, you can't even talk about the consensus candidate. Definitely the ATC, the legal thing, will have primaries for the people that are primaries. That is not the problem. That is the problem. Now, I won't tell this. Now, you look at the circumstances, you know. Like I said, I am a little bit worried, because I don't want the reaction of what happened in 20, in 2019. I don't want the reaction of that. That's why I said, I may, because in that problem, ATC stands at the risk of God being on the ballot again in 2023. Now, people think it's the past year fair. It's going to be on the past year fair, because they're one party vote. And that one party system, of course, you know, it becomes draconian. And that's why I'm joining all the student parties to see their thoughts, try to compromise, and ensure that at least, people will have choices to make. Because you have a pittity. It is not even a killer to be a pittity alone. And I speak right now, we have an entire language in the pittity. What is happening in the pittity? In fact, in the pittity, it might be more centric. Because recently, the government of the state, case of weakness, interdicted, want them standing, especially the commissioners and special advisors, that should any of them be involved in who succeeds in, that such a person will be thrown out. It's everywhere. It's in the social media. You want that. And definitely people like what comes. So the something, it's a normal thing. That's why when you are pushing to compromise. Now, it takes the wisdom of the leadership to tactfully address this issue. Otherwise, it's not as spectacular as the pittity. Pittity is because right now you already have a family. And that's why you think that it will result in pittity. You also have the same problem. Really, pittity. And the most prominent and popular political problem. All right. Let's talk about all of these issues that you have mentioned. Rightly said, from the foregoing days, there seems to be the issue of an imposition of interest and candidate at the ABC level in reverse. They then also, you talked about the issue of two different factions and two different camps. You talked about the Roti Memeci camp and of course, Senator Magnus camp. With all of this internal wrangling, with all of this and politicking and of course, the people not really having their say or the right to discuss who they actually want to govern them. Don't you think you'd actually bring about maybe the demise of the party as it were in reverse state? You know, I expressed it here, not the mind. At that very top of the mind, you're going to be extreme. You're not especially fear of it not being on the ballot. Well, that could be a break of thought for the mind program. But I haven't said that. Like you know, I also said the national recognition. I don't want to call it a faction. Should I say you have ATC and dissidents went through that way. Because the national recognition is a big debate as the chairman of ATC in reverse state. You know, so let's say ATC and dissidents, you know. But I haven't said that. The fact is, I'm not even going to talk about imposition. When you say imposition, you know, it's like, that's not really candid. When the selection issue was taking place, the nearest hour wasn't there. Now you have the ATC leaders who were there. And it was put to both of all those candidates. Who do you think will be acceptable to reverse people? Who do you think reverse people will want? And the majority, out of how many, say you've got 10 votes. Next to him was our judge who got 3 votes. I mean, there can't be so much. And so many issues we are taking on that bite. Next, given the overheated policy, given the rambling in the party, who do you think we are going to choose that will be acceptable to all? Very cold is not a politician. Very cold is a businessman like you rightly described. And so the thinking was that this one probably has not offended anybody. And so the chances of being accepted by all are quite high. That is number one. And number two, this man we strongly believe, yes, in 2019, a contest that even though ATC was not on the parlor, we strongly believe it's somebody that whose loyalty is not, it can never be endowed. In other words, his loyalty to reverse people have not been a politician. Definitely he will be very objective in whatever he does. So let's take turn cold. If we take any other candidate, I'm not saying this is a candidate. I'm not impugning or impugning the credibility of the other candidates, please. But if we take this candidate, they all wear it like cockles. No cockles. No earthy. Cliff and so forth. To be a governor for all. Both party members and non-party members. Number three, if we take turn your cold, giving a choice in the business industry is going to attract a lot of investment to the state. It's not a question of being cocooned. You know? Like you have the, you have an audio colleague trying to direct him and guide him on what to do. No. They come as somebody that is disinterested, somebody that is open, somebody that is in pressure. So maybe some of the considerations for the choice of turning cold as the candidate. Because these other politicians that take it or leave it, they have great, every politician would then have a say would definitely have this. It's good. Would definitely have this. And if that happens, some people expect to hear that they might be left out. What is this all about the trend? So why not to take somebody that will be neutral? Somebody that will be like a unifying force. I'm not justifying it. I'm saying the reason that they advance me. Somebody that will be like a unifying force. Because for every politician, for example, I give you my very simple example. A is contested. B is contested. C is contested. A, B are politicians. Now whether I like it or not, A, B has this group. A has this group. B has this group. C is not a politician. C might be neutral. Somebody that will accommodate both somebody from A, B, and any other person. These are some of the considerations that we are taking on that, issues that are taken on that by men for the choice of turning cold. Because I interrogated the forces. Now the problem is, most of them believe, like I said, that he only was architecture. Okay, Stricted, before that process, and that is where the problem is, is I think, oh, the minister himself has talked to certain persons to say, this is my choice and I want him to remain. And those persons there they'll be defeated. Okay, and open about, open about the commentary. These are just conjectures. These are conjectures. What kind of commentary? The minister will want to talk to how many of them, the panel of judges, so to speak, how many of them open about the commentary were almost out of time. Well, let's just quickly see. If you're not listening, one minute, sorry. If you're not listening to the other aspirants, then it's a little bit questioning. Because if I tell you something, in politics, one word you're there, it will lead you. It's only until after me then. Open about the commentary. We're almost out of time. That's why a lot of them are discontent. Yeah. So we're almost out of time. This is not just the last. Then whatever it is, if you can actually just get a word in the address, open about the commentary. Open about the commentary. Let's get straight to this one before we call it a wrap. We're out of time and we just have one question to go now. But let's just look at it in this slide. So just like you have mentioned, we remember that Tonya Cole was the party's candidate in 2019. And at the time, you had the APC being excluded from the ballot box, following the litigation that was put up against him at the time. And so you had the lights of Senator Magnus Abe, like you have mentioned, and you also had the minister, of course, Rotemia Meiji, who was also part of the litigation. Not also forgetting to mention that in 2019, Tonya Cole also mentioned the fact that you had the minister lure him to be part of the race. And now the reporter also saying that the minister has a hand in him emerging as a consensus candidate. What could be the interest now if he led a litigation against him in 2019? No, sorry. I didn't hear you agree. So I probably just do a recap of all of that. So I'm saying that if you follow the cost of event from 2019, when Tonya Cole was a candidate and of course, the APC was not represented at the ballot that were excluded, following the litigations that you had at the time. And so you had people who led the litigations. You're having the likes of Senator Magnus Abe and of course, the minister Rotemia Meiji who was also part of it. And you also have the fact that Tonya Cole himself also mentioned that in 2019, he got into the race because you had the minister luring him in his words, to be part of the race. Now in 2022, you also have some quotas who were dissatisfied what's going on saying that the minister has a hand in him becoming the consensus candidate. So the question here is what is really the interest now? If you were part of a team that had that court litigation against them, so what changed in 2022? You know, like I just said, I said the dissension is occasioned by the belief that the whole process of orchestration. You know, I said that. And that's why a lot of them like Ujjipra, you flag a map, believe that no, it wasn't the credible process talking of the choice of Tonya Cole, you know. But no doubt about that. I mean, it's human filter to so think. I mean, it's natural to so think because this is the same that you brought out in 2019. And all of a sudden, we all agree that the consensus candidate will emerge after the primaries. Whoever emerges will have to agree. So how come it's preceded the primaries? So these are all the tiers and these are all the world. And this is a type of dissension. But I haven't said this. My advice, advice, I think, S, not the C, advice has been S, you know. My advice is this. In 2019, you lost out. Now, if you continue on that trajectory, definitely you're going to lose out in 2023. Who's interested today? Is this in the interest of the party? You're going to lose out. The party is also going to lose out. Whatever it is, that's why I say it is incumbent back now on the leadership of the party, especially the minister, to invite all their great parties to a round table and resolve these issues. Because what I see is what happened in 2019 might have happened again in 2023. Now, if you want to step back up, then you must have, you must judge, count population. You must sit down to discuss. Please, whatever it is, let us settle this issue. Otherwise, the party also stands at risk of not being on the ballot in 2023. But now, this other issue of the position is a matter of context. Thank you so much, Opunabeo. All right, we've been looking at the APC in reverse state and the choice of candidates here and of course, all that is going on now. We had to go back to what happened in 2019 and try to, you know, find a way forward as we get into the polls in 2023. Thank you so much once again, Opunabeo Nkotaria. Thank you. All right, it's still the breakfast on Place TV Africa. We'll take a very short break. We'll come back and talk about the impact of malaria in Nigeria, the workforce, the country's economy and the talk of vaccines offer how we've done in a moment. To join us again.