 Coach, can you update us here as we're starting phase three of the off-season program for y'all? Just kind of where we're at. Yeah. So we already have one OTA, and we're just trying to take advantage of the opportunity to get out here and continue to work on things we want to improve on and communication when we continue, whether it's offensively or defensive or special teams, things that we've added in the off-season. So there's a lot of things we want to work on. Keep it in perspective. It's a build-up phase. There's things that don't simulate real football. Certainly on the line of the screen, we try to be smart about some things we want to work on on the perimeter. We still want to be very smart. We're not going to be out there playing a bunch of bump and run and grabbing and stuff like that. So it's all about perspective, and there's a lot of things we'll ask the quarterbacks to do. So we're trying to push the ball on new things that we're trying to take advantage of that. A lot of individual development out there as well. How are you attendance-wise? I counted 48 from the videos. I know it's voluntary, but how are you attending attendance-wise? Good. I guess we'll find out in a little bit. Every day is different, right? It's voluntary. It's off-season. And different guys and different veterans have different things, and that's real. I've never sat there, and we don't guilt trip anybody. You're going to make the team by how you perform in August, and there's a life that happens outside this building. Guys that maybe they're having their first child, or something comes up and a family issue, and that's the off-season. I mean, that's their life outside this building. I mean, we got the right guys here. In a health-wise, as far as the guys that were on IR last year, are they back, or are some of them back in trying to get them, I guess, Taekwondo and Kyle, or the two big ones, the other three kind of were back, and I guess Huntley's not expected. Without everybody, whether it's player one or player 90, their safety, where they're at, the most important thing is getting our team ready to play September 10th. So it depends on the different return to play. You guys are missing a teammate, right, Austin? He's on a return to play on IR. I didn't put a timeline on him, because that certain players that may have had that injury, they've come back in a week, so I don't know. So everybody's different. What's good to know the update? I'm glad you're giving the injury report. Oh, is he able to practice what's he able to do during OTAs this seminar? Just like the rest of our guys. Everybody's just working on different things and different return to play. Trying to get the best shape possible, so we're ready to go September 10th. We try to get creative with certain guys that are different points in their career. No different, but if we feel pretty good about where everybody's at, that's not practice. It's an organized team activity, and there's a practice that would be different. You'd actually be competing on the lines of scrimmages, saying they're working on. You're not going to see us run the football right now. We haven't run the football here in the spring. It's not what we're trying to do here. But there are certain things we work on that you'll see out there. And there may be some things going on up front that aren't necessarily to the speed on the perimeter. But it's all part of a plan as we build up. Get ready for camping, and obviously the regular season. What, if anything specifically, are you looking for Desmond to do hand themselves through this part of the process? All of our quarterbacks in any player is, can we continue to improve? Can we give like a rating, a practice rating, or feel good about a bunch of check downs? Like, no. But in all seriousness, Josh, no, I know, I'm being facetious here about the hype that it's kind of a boring time of year in the calendar, and there's a lot of hype and a lot of runaway narratives. Absolutely. Yeah, same thing is, can you continue to improve in the way that, if so, if we ask them, pre-snap, post-snap, a lot of scrimmage, certain looks, are we working to the right spot? Those things, all that stuff matters. Those are things you can control, and you're trying to simulate. That's just another step to build up, and ultimately in the camp, to get ready to play. But any player here, it's all about the improvement. And that's the same thing for Taylor, or Logan, or Austin, or any quarterback, or receiver. So there's no, after day one, there's no magical update that I think we're ready to go play week one, whether that be if I had a 18-year veteran or a guy going in the second year. Is this also a good time for him to maybe build relationships with guys since they want to get into it? Yeah, I think that matters, Jeff. It does. I think even the communication of the defensive line, too. Right, those are guys that we got out every year. I mean, it's just the way the league is now. Now, we've been through a lot of transitions with our circumstances. But I think year after year, as you're seeing it around the league, you may have a big rookie class. There's guys, it's a way to set up. A lot of guys that are not going to play same team for 10 years is the way it is. And so I think every year, you want to build that communication that matters. So that is something that you can't take advantage of this time of year. It helps in any industry. Get to know your teammates, your co-workers, the communication you may have on the back end. That helps at every level, the defense, offense, special teams, punt team. Those are things that absolutely we're looking to enhance. I'm curious, with him, unlike Latimer, with him knowing he's just going to start him out, does he carry himself any differently because he's seen any difference? Is it from the first? I think anybody, the more experienced you get, the more reps you have. I mean, certainly his mindset is different. When you're out there, you're taking the first reps. And guys know that you're anticipated to be the day one starter. And so those are important. The reps he gets with Drake, certainly all those guys. Yeah, that helps. Definitely your mindset changes, whether I want to pretend like it doesn't or not. Yes, it does. Well, we've heard from defensive players who are in the off-season and the availabilities. A lot of guys have mentioned Kaleas' leadership, his presence, his experience. What do you hope he brings off the field, especially at this time of year? Well, it's better. I think we've got a good mix of guys that are veterans, whether it's Kaleas or Bud, certainly a great ease of veteran that got great leadership habits. But it's not just about, OK, this guy, and I think this is what makes Kaleas unique. Sometimes you bring in the wrong guy, he may have a perceived or a perception right out there that he's this great leader and then the guy, his habits aren't very good or he's not really authentic. You better bring the right veterans in here. And Kaleas certainly fits that mold. And it's real, we're glad he's here. And the same thing about Bud Dupri. Very happy Bud. He's going to do his own way and the way his habits, those are things that whether I'm preaching or Ryan's preaching or Hux or Lanier, it is powerful too when those guys and they've done it, they can pass that down and their knowledge and their habits. And so we're excited. David Anyamata, another guy that's a veteran, brings a presence into that room. That's what I'm excited about. When you say a guy like Matthew Garchon, young guy who's being asked to do something relatively new, when it comes to what you're looking for in him, when you look at his development, what are active steps in his development that you can actively see right now, even though you're not going 110%, you don't have to. I think a lot of it is a mental, I mean, there's a lot of individual work. Again, the way that we operate, the train's moving. So we have our own individual development plans for every player in our program, but you got to understand that he's a rookie. But if you want to get ready to play on Sunday against the guys that actually line up and play, you got to be able to keep up. And so a lot of times that pace, guys think they're in great shape and then they all of a sudden they get around Chris and Jake and they realize that there's another notch and that's for him and Gwen the same thing. And, you know, there's a lot thrown at him and then the mentally, you know, it's a completely new offense. Whether you've played, you don't move positions off his line, it's all going to be new to him. So you go back to the communication that Jeff asked, a lot of them made these blocks and maybe a little technique thing you're trying to add here or there that may be a little bit different. It's what you're calling that. It's like learning a new language. Those combination, hey, I've worked with the tackle guard combination on the backside. What are we calling it? There's a new language that has to be learned. That's one thing that does help going back to Desmond, the consistency of not having to learn a new language in the spring where you're not just trying to memorize the play. There's other things going on, our formation. You've made a bunch of signings since we last got to talk here at rookie minicamp. Is there anything you can say about just that group as a whole as to why you wanted to bring some of these players in, whether it's for special teams or fill certain roles or whatnot? Yeah, we think a guy has a chance to help us one. Whatever role is like, again, I don't know why people devalue anybody that's up now that you're allowed to put 49 players up if you want to go higher out. They need to have a job, they're gonna help us win. So if a guy comes in here and they come from everywhere, you see that story year after year. Guys that make camps, rookie trial guys, the guys that even have rookies. I mean, the most famous play, I think I'm Malcolm Butler, guys with a Tennessee. Got a chance to enhance the roster and there's nothing that's gonna be given and you gotta be earned. And if you're gonna continue to do that and we're in a great organization, it allows us to bring a lot of people in to try out. And doesn't mean it ever gets any easier when you've gotta make those moves. You wish you could have 150 players, you can't. So that part's not lost to me either, but yeah, that competition and guys that deserve an opportunity to go on to camp and see if they can earn a roster spot and ultimately if they're up part of the 48 or 49, where we decide to do, they're here to help us win. Whether they're undrafted, eighth round players, try out what's called ninth round players, it doesn't matter, they can help us win, that's what we're looking for. Going back to the new group of veterans that are here, just as a whole, what impact do you feel like they've already made here? It's early, I mean, it just, again, it goes back to the right players, the professionalism, the way they approach their job and their different points of the career and their training methods and the way we do business here, but there's also other things they can bring to them about what's important. When you're 21, you probably think you only need a couple of hours of sleep, you can eat whatever you want, you're laughing, delight, because you know that's true. Well, suddenly you get to 30, like dang. So as you get older and certainly you feel it at every different benchmark, but those things pass down, right? It's important to get to sleep, it's important to create great habits now, recovery, nutrition, and they're living proof of it and they can tell stories of great players that couldn't sustain it for, maybe they didn't have the right habits, I don't know, but that wisdom can be passed down if you've got the right guys and we feel like we do. I don't know if I've asked you this before, but with Jerry Gray and his experience in the league and what he's been able to do throughout his career, how do you kind of see that even really early on in these first few days really impacting some of these guys in the secondary? Yeah, it's got a wealth of knowledge. Certainly Jerry has a player, having played different spots, different schemes. And some guys at any level, sometimes they just try to relate too much about, oh, this is how I did it. It's not one size fits all and the great coaches have been around and they've been around some great coaches that were great players in this league. And I think of Mike Munchek who's got a gold jacket and I'm Boston Canton and he met him on one of the best problem solvers ever thing because he knew what he needed, but the next guy needed either. And so Jerry's got that unique ability, the teaching and he's got a lot of perspective, he's been a lot of different schemes. And so we're just trying to problem solve it. And so whether that's behind the scenes and we're talking or Ryan and him are talking, we're gonna make it our own. And that's when you hire the right people, smart people that got passionate for this job and are great teachers and that want to work. It's how we've evolved, things that maybe we did in Tennessee that we've certainly not going to the year three guys when you have the right staff members. So Jerry, yeah, I mean, Jerry's obviously means a lot to me personally, things he's taught me along the way and then where he's at now, he's a very in a different spot and he's never stopped learning. And so it's refreshing when you get to work with people like that. Having a competitive camp when it comes to that time, what do you kind of look for now to make sure that maybe foundation is laid for that to happen in a couple of months? Yeah, it's perspective. Again, there's 32 different flavors for us. We try to keep the perspective. Like we're in an individual development phase and it goes back to that as we're trying to build up and I look at it more to build up. Here's what the rules are. It's like everything when these rules get passed, like you can give your opinion, and ultimately those are the rules. And so you try to know the rules as best as possible and try to find the right coach the right way. So same thing, these are the OTAs. Like this isn't round pads, we're not tackling, we're not, you know, there's not contact up front. And so we know that. So how do we take best take advantage of that? So that's what year after year, you're always looking to improve the program. And so those things right now, we can get those things out of communication, the habits, the way we work, all those things. So when you go in a training camp, like a mental part, we've had an off season of that. And as we're pushing to the physical part, which will be in the training phase, which is training camp. So there's a lot that we can accomplish if we have the right mindset when we come out every day. And so far we have, well, there's been in phase one, the phase two, you know, the short sample size we have already in OTAs. Yeah, Coach, I'm high as Jesse Bates is, when you're talking about the veterans, how's he moving about and fitting in? Great, you know, Jesse, he'll be one guy, I'm sure, you know, he'll probably eliminate one of your hot takes, but he's at home waiting a birth of a child. So, and that's important. That's more important than anything we're doing right now. And so I'm glad Jesse's back home, but Jesse's been in here every day. So I hate to eliminate that hot take for you, but he's been awesome. And we're happy to have Jesse and Jesse is, he's kind of that mid-tier veteran, no different than Chris Lindstrom. Any thoughts on the passing of Jim Brown? He's a great player, a legend in this league. He had an impact in a lot of different ways, you know, it's sad, but he had an enormous impact in the game of football and the game we'll cross to, but in a lot of other things that are bigger than football and in life.