 Okay, we'll just continue with the discussion sessions. So see basically what we would say that you see we have covered, let's say, if we go back to day one. So we started with equivalent force couple system. So then we actually did the 2D equilibrium for frames and machines, then 3D equilibrium. Then we did the truss, then friction, virtual work, energy methods, and structural dynamics. So as we have seen that intension was to really deliver some concepts, mostly we tried to give, you know, solve a lot of problems in this workshop, but idea was to deliver the concepts. And basically what we really tried to do is, you know, draw all the free body diagrams. That is what we started with, that free body diagram will be the fundamentals of everything. So we started with that and we have seen that once we have a clear free body diagram, then we can solve it using simply force balance and moments balance. And there were a bit deviations when it come to, let's say, virtual work and energy methods because those are also, you know, solution approach that we have followed to solve equilibrium problems. Now we think that, yes, it was a bit exhaustive because that is what we do in IIT to all our first year students. It's a regular exercise process that we basically go through. And as we said that we limit our discussions mostly to statics and then touch upon dynamics because various disciplines have actually, you know, taken the dynamics whatever way they want for their students. So we have not really covered the kinematics and let's say curving linear motion, rectilinear motion, impulse momentum and so on and so forth. So we'll just quickly start off, you know, with the discussions. So if you have any suggestions, you know, how to go about this. If you have any special requirements, we can just hear from you directly and we can see if that can be incorporated during the main workshop. So anyone is, please welcome to, you know, give your comments what to do during the main workshop. Please go ahead. Yeah. Sir, I belong to Tamil Nadu there, particularly on behalf of my student I'm talking, the syllabus, if you, there are five units, out of the five units here in this, yeah, a nice presentation where I got that, two topics, if it is taught in the main workshop that will be useful for my students, the one number one moment of inertia, mass moment of inertia, because the entire third unit in our syllabus is that only. And fourth unit, sir, we are having kinetics of particles that also not covered here in this forum. If these two topics are incorporated that, because it is two modules there in our syllabus, if it is included, definitely we are more helped by you and our students will be getting benefit out of this. Mostly you are saying the moment of inertia, I said centroid moment of inertia, mass moment of inertia and kinematics of particles and we are having one more topic also, dynamics of particles, right, okay. But these two are incorporated means that is good for us, sir, thank you. Good afternoon to all the dignitaries on the dais and off the dais. Myself, Timurali Krishna, working as associate professor in Geetanjali engineering college in Ellur, belongs to Jain to you, Anantapur. What I am going to suggest is, in our curriculum also, we are having the same syllabus suggested by, just my, follow it, this person. Sir, we are having mass moment of inertia, centroid and the moment of inertia of plane bodies, plane geometry figures followed by, we are having the kinematics, kinetics and also vibration concepts, sir. So if you incorporate those concepts in the main, vibration is done, we are having the centroid moment of inertia and kinematics. That simple pendulum, torsion pendulum, torsion pendulum, so those concepts, sir. Our students are feeling some difficulty in the basics of, even in kinematics and kinetics also, we are having basics, sir, very, very basic things, sir. That is connected bodies, so the equations for analysis of connected bodies and simple applications of projectiles especially, projectiles and followed by vibrations also, sir. Simple pendulum, torsion pendulum. So those basics we are having, sir. So if you provide, if you include that basics also, it is helpful to our students. Sir, you are in just, sorry, you are in mechanical, right? No, sir, civil engineering, sir. Civil engineering, sir. Yes, sir. Okay, a moment of inertia, we can. Okay, point taken, yeah. Point taken, yeah. Sorry. Anyone? Yes, anyone else has any observation, comments, suggestions, please. I would like to hear from you. Myself, Siddharam Appaiti from Kaila Engineering College, Karnataka. Sir, first of all, I am very much thankful to you, both of you, in which we are also teaching, but we are not going to that kind of depth. First I have to accept it as a teacher, so for that I am very much thankful to both of you, sir. Thanks. So you went really, some of the fundamentals, especially in the friction. So the slipping, where the number of slips and all, they are supposed to take place. So that, usually it has been nicely explained by Professor Inamdar. And also the Banerjee sir has explained, very fundamentals of today's vibrations. Many of the students are, we people are not knowing, so that has been explained. But apart from that, so my suggestion to this workshop is regarding, so here we have gathered across the country, but almost all I think the syllabus is same, except one or two chapters here and there. But at what depth we are supposed to teach to our students, because you people are looking at the IIT level, here the stuff is different, and the students are also having a different caliber. But we have to look at the common or average and below average students, how to go ahead and what depth we have to stop and all those things. Basically what we are interested is the students should love the subject. If I make it difficult by taking some difficult examples, so definitely they will feel it that when it is a tough subject or something like that. So please look into that one and give us suggestions during your main workshop. So at what level and how much level we have to teach, that is one suggestion. Of course CGMI is another, which important chapter is there, that is required for the civil engineering throughout there, even at the higher semester and all. So please look into these two aspects. Okay, thanks. So point very taken, two observations I want to make, that since this was a coordinator's workshop and all the teachers were experienced, that was one of the prime reasons we decided that we will take the course to as high level as possible. That was the first reason. Because what we had also realized is that if you want to teach quantity X to students, then it's a good idea if you know at least like two X. Then for example we can give some perspective to the students. So what we can do is when we deliver the lectures in December or November, December during the end of those months, what we will do is that the level of the problems done, we will take down a bit. Okay, but what we can do is that we can do that in more details than that was done in the workshop. Okay, we'll do any problem we take. The level will not be as much for most of the problems, but we'll do them in much greater details and that's what our plan was all along. Because we go at a higher level at a much faster pace and then afterwards when it comes to the main workshop, we just decide that we'll go one level lower and do things much more exhaustively, point well taken. And second point, okay, so pardon me if I say something presumptuous, but you made a point that the end goal of any course is that the student should enjoy the course. But one thing we have also realized is that that goal is truly served when the professor also enjoys the course. Okay, so if professor doesn't enjoy the course, there is no way the students will enjoy. So we are just trying to put some fun in the course that there is some challenge because what happens is that if the professor feels that they know everything about a topic, then there is no thrill, there is no learning. So the entire idea was that we seek out newer and newer problems, more and more difficult problems. So we challenge ourselves and enthuse ourselves, get ourselves more enthusiastic about the course and in the meanwhile, when we teach that course so enthusiastically very likely, the students will also really like it. Okay, so that was the entire goal in teaching this Coordinated Workshop. But your point is well taken that depending on the requirements of your college or most of the colleges around the country, what we can do is, yeah. So for example, a couple of topics about the moment of inertia of planar bodies, okay, kinematics, impulse momentum, little bit of torsional vibration, okay. I think that's not difficult to incorporate, okay. So but we have to cut some topics from whatever we did here today and we can incorporate them. Okay. It's not an issue, okay. We will look into it and try our best to take your suggestions into account. Sir, one more point is, in the analysis of this, we're having actually three methods, sir, method of joints, method of sections. The third method is the method of tension coefficients, method of tension coefficients. It is somewhat related to vector approach, sir, considering the coordinates of each joint, considering the coordinates with respect to one support. By taking the coordinates of each joint, we can prepare the coefficients called the tension coefficients. So by using those tension coefficients also, we can calculate the forces in the different members in the frame. Okay. So the terminology that you're using, using tension coefficients, okay. I'm not aware of the terminology because it is not used in most standard texts, for example, or in any standard practice it is not used, okay. But we will have a look at that. But what I'm just trying to say is that if there are some highly specialist topics, that will be difficult to incorporate. But the more broader topics, as mentioned, okay, that we will definitely try to take into account. One more is in friction, we're having the friction developed in screw jacks also, sir. Oh, screw jacks also? Simple screw jacks and differential screw jacks also, sir. Okay, so screw jacks is not an issue. Bearrings, you do? Bearrings? Sir? Journal bearrings? No, bearings is not there, sir. Not there. So how many universities do pulley friction or belt friction? Belt friction is there. And screw jacks? Yes, sir. How do we have screw jacks, belt friction? Belt friction we discussed, right? Belt friction was covered in detail. Okay, so we can discuss the screw jacks. It's not an issue. We can solve two, three problems, discuss the basic concepts. Not an issue at all. See, rising off load by using screw jack. Rising the steps, locking, lowering, okay, we can definitely incorporate that. Not an issue. So idea again in the main workshop would be, you know, to limit ourselves to a certain number of problems. Yes, sir. We are going to be very slow pace. It is not as fast as we have done here because it is actually being delivered to the students. So we have to make sure that we kind of, you know, do problems but that will not be more problems we are not going to solve. We are only going to solve, let's say, two to three problems and we are going to discuss those problems in details, okay? So that all the concepts are actually delivered to the students. And we are going to incorporate, I think, as you are suggesting, some of the topics will be definitely incorporated, okay? We are just noting it down and we'll incorporate it, okay? Excuse me, sir. Let me introduce myself first. I am Krishnamurthy from K.S.R. College of Technology, Tiruchangode, situated in Tamil Nadu, west part of Tamil Nadu. I would like to mention one point. That is so far we have lengthy discussions related to engineering mechanics, but there is no demonstrations. Like a friction concept, if you take friction concept to friction, it's independent of area of contact. It's supposed to be demonstrated, how to demonstrate. These kind of things will be incorporated in our workshop. Then the teaching community will benefit better. Demonstration, how to calculate coefficient of friction, how to express that friction is independent of area of contact, independent of mass, these kind of laws, including laws. Very fundamental we are teaching since we are teaching for the first year students. Some of the demonstrations may be included in our lecture. Okay, so for example, we can incorporate some video demonstration. If you go on YouTube, for example, there are many videos which will demonstrate that. What I personally feel is that the logistics of these things, it becomes very difficult to take some students to the lab, you to the lab or bring some equipment from there and do it. It's not particularly difficult also. We can have a video demonstration. I am not asking you to do such kind of difficult demonstrations. Very simple demonstrations like small, small demonstrations like friction is independent of area of contact and then angle of repose, how to demonstrate angle of repose. Things can be demonstrated, not all. Something may be demonstrated only in the laboratory. But many things, some fundamentals wherein we can demonstrate. Okay, point taken. Listen, I am Waghish. I am very happy that my alma mater is taking such a noble work to help the nation. My solution is the institute can go through the syllabus of all the universities, form a common syllabus and then deliver the lectures. Instead of sticking to one university or IIT syllabus or something like that, you can take the syllabus of all the universities which are present in the country and make a common syllabus and then deliver your goods. We already got inputs from all the representatives of India. So I think we already know what we need to do. Thank you, sir. Thanks. Hello, sir. Yeah. My name is Arun. I am from Srinagarana Gurugulam College of Engineering, Kerala. This is specifically to the coordinator's workshop. What I personally, it's not a personal field because I have been discussing with other faculties also. I feel that all the faculty fraternity would have been able to extract more from this workshop provided the things, the problems that were being discussed in the class were at least given a day prior to us. So that we would at least, at least few of us would have prepared those who feel themselves, those who are weak in some areas. They would have at least had some background work done so that everybody would have got equally benefited. So I don't know whether the same could be applied to the main workshop also. So please. So main workshops, you already have this Moodle login, right? You are given with a login. So all the problems, lecture notes, problems and solutions will be there. So you can again re-exercise those. But as we said that we have to now kind of reorganise the syllabus. So we are trying to kind of take out some of the problems. Let's say we'll take out some of the problems. That time will be kind of taken care of or other topics. So we'll try to reorganise the syllabus a little bit with some adjustment will be there. And also another suggestion, the point, the entire point of the coordinator workshop is that now you are going to be the main person at your university. So for example that now we are all doing this together. So it is not that we are the only ones who should do things. That when you go, if you feel that something is more important that you can do that work yourself because all the notes, everything that we discussed will be up in Moodle. So you can take those notes. Then you can think that these are the concepts I think my students should brush upon. And then you can also help us indirectly by doing that. But this point is well taken that in the future, as in when we do this workshop again, those slides we can provide a few days in advance so that interested students or interested coordinators can have a look at them and may benefit more from that. Thank you. Okay, thanks. So I am from West Bengal and in my state in engineering mechanics we have strength of materials. And in strength of materials we have mechanical, different mechanical properties. How they are relating, these are included in our syllabus. And one thing I like to say that what professors just said that the books, I mean the syllabus should be uniform throughout this India. And one thing I want to say that some of the books have problems different types of things that which is difficult for the students to realize. Some of the books do not have. We should discard all this. What should we say about those books? So what are the books we should follow the students and if you arrange some lectures for the students uniformly, I mean throughout this India then the whole nation will be beneficial. That's my suggestion. And I am really thankful to IIT Bombay and to you sir. Thank you. Okay, so just one thing I can say is for a very unique case where in engineering mechanics they also do solid mechanics, at least in India but abroad it is not uncommon. That for example they don't in many colleges or in many universities for example if you look at open courseware of MIT under engineering mechanics, engineering mechanics for them essentially means solid mechanics. But the point is that this is the first time I heard that some college within India that also does solid mechanics or strength of material within engineering mechanics. So it may be very difficult to incorporate that into the main workshop but the point about the textbooks. So many students or many coordinators asked me that what are the best textbooks and so on. I gave them a few lists but the reason that for example I am not saying that you should use this textbook because I can say that there are good problems in this textbook, good problems in the other textbook. In some places theory is good. In some places for example the theory that we teach or for example there are various concepts that we had discussed which is not there in any textbook. This is for example what we had thought about, what we had learnt. So that's why it is very difficult to say that this is a textbook, all the knowledge is inside and you will learn from here. So the idea of this workshop what I felt is that all of us will learn to think by ourselves, decide that what is the best way to think about problems, what is the reasonable way to convey depending on the caliber of the students and then take our own call that what should be incorporated, what should not be incorporated, how should things be dealt with and so on. But about having a uniform syllabus to the country that is definitely beyond our purview. We cannot do anything about that, there are various policy makers at various levels. I can suggest to the university. Okay, I can suggest of course. No. Okay. Ultimately some of these are policy decisions. I can suggest many things to my kid also, but she also doesn't listen. So if I can't convince my own kid, I can say yes. I am Abhudesh Sharma from MITS Gawali here. Sir, as we know that all the different universities is having the different syllabus. As far as our university concern, we are having sharing force and banding chapter. That is in strength of material. For example, typically those topics are in strength of material. So, okay. But they are also there, they are also there is in mechanics textbooks. See, the bottom line is this. Okay, let me emphasize this way. So if everyone says that, okay, our university is this topic, our university is this topic, we should cover this, we should cover that. So that's, I don't think is the idea of this workshop. The idea is that we learn how to think. We learn how to do things. And then all the various specifics. Okay, you are well versed now. Okay, you are already an expert, you came here and you learned some things. Okay, the way we do it. So then you can incorporate everything and then you can teach accordingly. So what I would like to say is that even though I appreciate the point that everyone is making, I don't think that we can just go and decide, okay, that this topic I should teach, this topic also I should teach, everything that we should teach. I don't think that is the point. The point is that all of us get enthused about the topic. Okay, we learn various things. Some things may not be covered. But I don't think, for example, that we need to go into every micro detail. Okay, we just teach a broad overview. Okay, there are some things, for example, dynamics, kinematics. Okay, I agree that that should be taught. Why? Because those are basics. But all the various specific problems. Okay, pardon me if I'm saying this, but I think the idea of this workshop in my opinion is not to go into every small problem, but give a very broad overview because you will also have your own classes, right at the end of it. Like this, one more topic. Yes? Leptic machine. What machine? Leptic machine. It's also... We did wage work problem, right? One of the wage problems we did, for example. We did not explicitly mention that. But... Wage was there. Wage was there, right? We solved one problem at least. Okay, and for example, I can give one problem at homework and you could also solve, for example. So your point is well taken. We'll try to incorporate as much as you can. But any small specific detail, I think it will be very difficult to cover. We can, for example, give a broad overview. Okay. See, especially in this course, objective is to really deliver the concept of forces to the students. So don't deviate from that. One of the main objectives are really to deliver the concept of forces, how the free-body diagram will be taken into account. And also we go with the, you know, work energy methods and those principles to tackle some of the problems. So we cannot really go to strength of materials at this point, and we have a dedicated course, solid mechanics in the second year, that takes care of all. But remember this engineering mechanics knowledge again will be required there. Because the first you think of force, then only you get into stress. Okay, so. And then also won't be enough time for example. Enough time will be not there. To cover everything, but we'll try to incorporate your suggestions as well as we can. Sir, good afternoon. All from that side. Yes, sir. I'm DS Lal from R.C. Patel Institute of Technology at North Maharashtra University, Maharashtra, Dulya. I want to know that what you are planning for the experimentations. Because you have mentioned in the planning that you have mailed earlier. What are the experiments we have to perform? Or are you planning for the generalization of experiments? We did not mention I think experiments. No, no. We did not mention. So I want to know from you that whether you are planning something or not. It's too lesser time. There is too much to cover. And also incorporate experiments. Okay. I think it will be difficult. We will try to see. Okay. But I don't promise. I can't promise right now. But through videos, students can learn also through videos. That is one thing. Okay. So there are a lot of free materials available on the web. You see that NPTEL course also there. You can see a lot of lectures and demonstrations there also. We'll try to get at least a collection of videos at the very least. Okay. So we'll keep that in mind. We are noting down that some demonstration problem through videos if we can do it. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. Yes. Yeah. Hello. I'm Dr. Rajan Murgis from KME Engineering College. Okay. Center of Kerala. You can sit down please. Yeah. You don't need to stand up. It's only fact that different universities are following different syllabi. And it will be in human task to cover all the portions that are dealt with the various syllabi of different universities. So up to us, the learner coordinators to rise up and cope up, say, for the center of gravity, I think we can do it. That's one of the points I was trying to make. Okay. Instead of arguing for common syllabus for the whole India, I don't know how that will be possible. There's one point. The second point was you have dealt with some topics which are of concern of mechanical industry. For example, belt friction, vibration. I suggest that if you add a faculty from the mechanical department, that you add a flower to this cake. You have done a very good job. I take this opportunity to congratulate the organizers for doing an excellent work. Thank you very much. Good afternoon, sir. I'm Ashish from KIT, Gazebath. Please sit down, please. Actually, it is just my suggestion to you, and I think you'll take care of it. While solving numerical problems, it will be good if you, before coming on to the solution directly on the PowerPoint or something like that, it will be good if you just spare some time for us to solve, for students to solve during the main workshop, and then give a brief, you know, pre-body diagrams of it, then give some time like that. We try to do that in the tutorial, for example. So we can have an extensive tutorial. It's not a problem. We are actually planning to have an extensive and an exhaustive tutorial at the end of every class, where whatever you are saying will be followed, and that's what precisely we do at IIT also. Lectures we discussed without too much contribution from the students, but in the tutorials, exactly we do it the way you suggested. We ask them that this is the problem, this is the idea, now you solve, and then we help them in between. So overall, you know, students will get more or less half an hour per problem to solve and discuss the issues, whatever they are. Sir, good afternoon, sir. This is Victor Babu from Swanketh, Vijaya Prasad Engineering College, Yuseya Kapanna. First of all, I would like to thank you very much for giving this type of opportunity for us. So one thing I require is you have injected a lot of knowledge in our minds within a short period. So we need to extract all these files when we went to our college. So because we must be in a position to manage more than 50 participants in the main workshop. So please give us best suggestions to manage how to extract our knowledge whichever the topics we have discussed. Okay, so I thought that's what we did, but but what we can do is that all the slides, they will be provided to you. And for example what I can do is that after we go back, we can give a list of books for example that you can have a look at. Some of them, many of the books have Indian editions so they are not very expensive. Some of the books are western edition and they can be prohibitively expensive, but two or three books are available. They are Indian edition. Second, book reference was given that we gave the three books actually and all has Indian editions so they are not expensive. Meriam and Craig, B.R. and Johnston and Sames. If you go to the introductory slides, already they are in the module, just look at the book links as well as some useful web links where you can yourself register and kind of go through the course. And there is one thing which I want to suggest that there is no substitute for sitting down and thinking yourself. Okay, whatever you do there is no substitute for that. You have to sit down, spend hours together to understand just one problem in all possible details what can be done. And that any suggestion will ultimately boil down to that. We have just shown you that this is the way in which you would like to think. But the ultimate thinking to convince yourself it has to be done from your side only. And we had spent hours together trying to figure things out, not that for example I am perfect or anything but better than what I was before and that is the best we can hope for. So idea is that you just get down just figure out by yourself. If you can't figure out, read some book and just not ask your colleague. There are so many avenues. But ultimately you have to get down and think yourself and then convince yourself that this is the way I want to solve this problem this is the way I understand, this is the way I want to convey this to the students. And I think this is the best and keep an open mind and improve if you see something better. Thank you very much. Sir, good afternoon sir. My name is Sachin Chathuja, I am from API IT Pani Pat sir. Sir, I just want to say that if you add some references to the problems, the books and whatever the sources you are using so that sometimes it happens that the student or the person is not able to solve at the moment that you are offering. Maybe 30 minutes are not sufficient for a person. So if you add some reference then it will be easy for him to refer the solution or the book. Yes, some problems are designed by us. So that is let's say if it's like that but some problems are directly taken from these three books we named. I think we can do that. We can do that. This is the book we are referring to. But some problems, yes, we have made ourselves. That is okay but those are taken from the books, they can be there, the references can be added. Not a problem. But I think it is a valid point. We will add those references. This problem is taken from what book? Good afternoon sir. Good afternoon. Myself, Julius J. Singh. I am a Mechanical Engineering, Sensivist Catholic College of Engineering, Kanyakumari. So I congratulate the organizing team for organizing such a nice program, IIT Bombay and the provinces also. And I have positive points and some negative points also. So we have arranged the program in a nice way and to transfer the knowledge from IIT Bombay to all over the world. So we have accommodated most of the staff from various states of India and provided all the facilities in a nice way and the hospitality is also good. But I want to suggest in a negative way, don't mistake me. I am a writer of few books like Engineering Graphics, Basic Civil and Mechanical Engineering and workshop. All the three books are in multicolor. Students in India nowadays very poor background like in education. So what you are teaching is based on IIT and IIT and most of the famous universities only the bright students only under the IITs and other top level universities. Nowadays more than 5000 engineering colleges are there in India and more than 80% of the colleges they are recruiting only very average students only. So keep in their mind the students' mindset I found some idea in myself and created the textbook in a multicolor so that the students can once they turn up the pages some curiosity will come to turn other pages and once they turn up the pages they will have some time spending on the subject and book and finally they will have the interest on the subject. So in that mindset I am planning of writing the engineering mechanics books also in the next year, within the next year and what I am suggesting is what you are teaching here is based on Baron Johnson, some Marion Johnson and the 19th Sound Edition. Why don't you prepare some material you can refer the book but why don't you prepare the material in an animated way so that instead of giving all the picture all of a sudden in the screen why don't you give the animation effort so that all the observer can understand the concept easily and transfer the knowledge to the students also. Since we are a coordinate it is not a problem so you will in the main workshop you will directing the 10,000 teachers if all the 10,000 teachers are benefited with the workshop the likes of students will be benefited if the 10,000 staff are not benefited the likes of students will be also not benefited so the idea behind the coordination with the government of India and IIT Bombay transferring the knowledge from IIT level to lower level institutions so try in that way try to have some animated and colorful effect and instead of taking the seracs from the scan from the textbook it is not visible and readable so you can have big drawings and mistake free presentation it will guide the students more effectively so thank you one more suggestion and even a good presentation it may not stress beyond one hour so you are giving all of us from 8.30 to 6 it is a worse stressful so in the future workshop please try to understand our pain also try to wind up at least before 4 o'clock everyday one more suggestion thank you so let me answer it in little bit of a humorous way so if you take all your suggestions in mind we can as well solve world hunger problem so about all the animations and everything we try our best it is one step at a time since you are the coordinators my suggestion too is that why don't we you all take one problem you work on the animation why don't you discuss it this way rather than putting all the owners on our shoulders since we are co-learners why don't we all do it together you can do that if you for example have some suggestions that you do it you don't make any mistakes why don't you correct my mistakes and tell me you do it this way rather than saying you do it you do it you help me then I take your point because we have only so much time this is only one part of our work like lot of our part also in research and many other activities so we do only so much of course everybody has to improve but the point is that since we are talking about the future of the nation we are all equal stakeholders in that so let us take equal responsibility and convey it to us we try our best what I suggest is that your points are well taken but you guys also help us then that will be great if you say that only you have to do it I don't think it works that way yeah yeah sure see from now on it's not just you okay it's not a personal observation you miss everyone here even previous works of that happened no no previous works of what happened also through other courses that participants went back they prepared the you know problems in a very nice way even send back to us and we are able to even take some problems and just present to the students see that way we also get more materials out of it it's a mutual benefit that is why you know this works of is all about that it is not that always we can do it I mean we try to do it whatever we can with the time constraints and time frame we have sure sure that will be sure it's not an issue that is one of the very good suggestions actually because presentation has to be in a very nice way but we do have a limited time to work around and as long as you know what we thought okay concepts are delivered in a genuine way it's fine but yes the presentation is also required I mean in a good manner I have one suggestions so I am Mohan from Tamil Nadu so actually you are suggested foreign author books already they told some Biran Johnson, James Merriam like that but most of the self finance college local authors so my suggestion is so foreign author is good it is all or no but we are struggling to understanding that the given figure to free body diagram so in local author they are directly given is free body diagram like force diagram like that after that we are converting people like that but here practically so ladder some friction means one person standing on the ladder so they are given 3D pictures the practical application they are given so we are struggling what is my point of view means so how to convert that practical figure to free body diagram so that is you have to communicate so both authors we try to do that for example I had shown in few of the slides for example that how to convert a real life problem into a caricature so that it can be used for finding problems even for example there are few problems I believe I discussed this approach but your point is well taken that we can emphasize it even more it is a well proper point and well taken care because ultimately it is always other way around that you actually try to design a real world problem and you know make a caricature of the real world problem to simplified model and that was the first day of the discussions good afternoon everybody myself Govind Mali from Vidyalankara Institute of Technology Mumbai we learn lot many things over here already many suggestions many discussion is already there related to the syllabus and all those things mine is little bit different I learnt lot many things over here especially energy already many times we have calculated that one learnt from different books but now I experienced it from you people lot many energy yes tons of energy we have experienced it now now as per the law of energy energy cannot be destroyed either created but it can be transferred in another form so indirectly you transferred some energy to us I hope it was more light than heat although we had lot of heat also yes now actually one more important thing I would like to suggest actually this is not suggestion this is a request sir okay I heard somewhere that teaching is a fine art of imparting knowledge without possessing it okay I would like to know your source but still who told that actually that is a yes it is a very important part of a teaching so I would like to suggest or request so concentrate on that art that is methodology of a teaching technique of a teaching various tricks then the solving the questions then the speaking the just those things are important for us so in next session you may add these things that is the different tricks different ways of teaching methodologies and all those things okay not a problem thank you sir because already a lot much discussion is there related to the syllabus I am not going to add so many points in that one because that is not possible to sort out different universities are there different rules are there different pressures are there from different directions we can't make system in equilibrium sir I am Algubosh and I am from Techno India Calcutta so the question is the observations which are already discussed I am not going to that but I will say something which is partnering to me the other coordinates should not feel that it is our view so I am teaching this subject for around 10 years and while coming here this is my ex-college I am an ex-student of this college I have done MTech from this college so I thought that okay let me go and have the course I can just be a little bit what you say nostalgic so after completing the course I found that it really added a lot of value to me it is really and yesterday also I was talking to one of my colleagues there in Calcutta I told that when I came here the expectation was not very much I am telling you very frankly but after the finishing the course I have seen that I have learnt a lot of things and which has added value to my that I will transmit down the line so I am very much thankful to you both of you thanks a lot good afternoon I think we will have one last question because we are almost one here last last question sir so I am professor Chaudhary V. from Pune Maharashtra so in dynamics if possible add some topics like rectangular motion, projectile motion and curvilinear motion don't worry we are going to add those kinematics at least some part of that it is not everything at least some basics will definitely add no problem, no question about that excuse me sir so more or less we are thinking to add this moment of inertia that is one part centroid calculations the second one would be kinematics of particles so that is what we are going to add and screws add these three would be okay so some of the materials in the sense that we are not really going to go through rigorous amount of problems as we have done here so we are going to make maybe 2-3 problems per topics but students will be given let's say half an hour times to solve this so half an hour time will be given per problems and it will be discussed during the main workshop in details and it will be as he said it is going to be animations and all that every one of us you are going to help us so when you are going to go back if you can convert those problems in a good way we will be very happy to take those everyone of us will be having some points to give us feedback tell us your feedback there is I think this link will be there from now on the feedback form is there that is right now feedback but what is happening you are going to kind of interactive from now you can actually send us feedback also that is not an issue the last one so the textbooks what has been we are PPS I am not asking any question or like that the textbook what referred by the professor Biran Johnson is one of the best book and for the 8th edition you will get the exercise solution everything available in the net if you have any doubt you can refer those solutions Biran Johnson for 8th edition for all the exercise problem all the solutions available in the internet 8th also is on you can get the exercise solutions from the website directly download those solutions from the website you may have to request the publisher I think you may do that and then get it so we can get the full exercise solutions so we can refer close this right now