 Okay, thanks. We're back on streaming live on YouTube and continuing our morning, the morning committee meeting of the house appropriations committee. So, we've had the language walkthrough we've also gone through where we left off in in March with our base budget and as well as where we are with CRF funding. So, for the committee, what I would like to do toward the end. Let's let me go in order here one of the first things that we need to do. If you would go through all of your budgets, not all of them are scheduled some of them have no change or very minimal change. And so if you see some small changes like I'm not going to call VHCB and unless we want to know the status of their their CRF funding but I would ask Dave. The administration had made it very clear that they asked about the 3% and VHC be agreed but that should be a conversation that you should also have with VHC be and if you feel that if we need to bring that budget back in. It's the same with the Arts Council, the Human Rights Commission, several of those budgets that may have seen 3% reduction if you could just check in with them. Many of them received CRF funding and so we're able to continue operations with help of the CRF funds to backfill or to pay for expenses that that COVID delayed or interrupted. So if everyone would check those budgets and if you feel you can come in and explain and we can move on with that budget that that's the direction we should go if there is some more hardship and things that they wish to bring before the committee be sure to tell Teresa so we can get them scheduled. Linda. I just want to let you know that the new director of the Ramon Symphony Orchestra started today. So, so already contacted her, and we're going to chat this afternoon so hopefully, I'll just be able to, she does she knows nothing about the budget process so I will be discussing that with her at center and seeing what she's received, because all along in touch with the president of the board of directors so anyway I just wanted you to know that we have a new director, her name is Elise Brunel. Oh, well welcome and we look forward to meeting her and what a challenge stepping into that position in the middle of this pandemic where she can for conferences and have rehearsals imagine having zoom rehearsals again. I can't even imagine. So if you could know today's Monday if you could check in and tell Teresa by Wednesday if we need to have any other budgets in that would be great because we're moving pretty quickly on Thursday and Friday. We have the public hearings, but I would like to see through the language and closing out as many sections of the language as we can, and identifying which is what's left open and exactly what the issues are with those pieces that are left open. And so if you would walk through your sections of the language. See, clarification. Seek out any clarification that would be great I need to mute Bob. Bob are you. So who do we need to mute. Okay, you. Sorry, guys, I'm sorry, I thought it was muted. I'd like to start walking through the language and then also the web report and whatever decisions that we have made, if there's no disruption from coven. It's really important that we stick with those decisions unless there is a valid reason to open those budgets back up otherwise we will never get done. One time money if individuals come up with areas where one time money was not addressed, either through CRF money that was able to cover CRF expenses. If there's a list list of those that are on the table for discussion. We need to bring those forth that to the committee as well. And I think that's all so we're going to start shelving these budgets as quickly as we can if you have an open questions work with your committee of jurisdiction they're coming back tomorrow. As quickly as you can, and I'm trying to think if there's any other pieces as far as CRF funding committees of jurisdiction are just coming back tomorrow. And so give me a couple of days to work out a schedule and a format of how we're going to address CRF funding. Understanding what dollars have gone out what issues there are. If there's dollars that need to be re appropriated or moved around, and, and then what our plan is for the remaining CRF dollars. Any questions, thoughts, anything you'd like to share with committee members. Any surprises in your budgets. I wish the ups and downs had been, it would have been much more difficult I know the language was is just so clear to work with that. It gives us more time for the ups and downs I guess Marty. I just want to share a very general comment that I suspect it won't be popular but my gut feeling is that we are not cutting enough in this current version of the budget. I'm very, we have $100 million cushion that we brought over from last year which of course is helping us tremendously to not have to make you know any what appear to be any big cuts so far this year. But I'm worried that we will not have a cushion to carry over to FY 22, and that will make FY 22 that much more difficult to vote. According to the forecast, the income will not be down as much, but nevertheless, we don't have $100 million cushion carrying over I think we'll have to make more difficult decisions in the 22 budget and if we can start some of those changes or modifications in this budget, I think it would be for far more helpful. And certainly if we have some extra CRF money. I think we need to be very careful to direct it to areas that, although it has to be spent by December can help move us more into the future. I think we need to be considering that and looking at each of our departments as as tightly as we can, because if we could save a little bit this year, it will help us a lot next year. A general comment that I think we need to keep in mind. Okay, and I appreciate those concerns as you know fiscal year 22 is going to be really difficult. It would be a little easier if the federal government had acted and we, and we knew, you know, what assistance or what the plan was going to be that would at least identify areas that were going to be more difficult for us in areas that would be covered but we, we can't, you know, we can't count on that funding, and it's pretty likely it won't happen until after we're done with the budget cycle so you know planning for that, that money is is is creating a challenge where as it would have been a large help. Any other thoughts. I think, I think, I'll put on the table that I'm, you know, I mean I come from the, the transportation committee and it's one of my, you know, we only because I'm more not that I'm concerned about the $6 million move from the general fund to the general fund at a time when, you know, Marty makes a really good point that we're, we're not going to be flush, not now or in 22. And so how we use those funds is going to be critical for helping Vermonters. And I know they care about the lawn mowing, but in the big picture I do have, I do have concerns with with that use. So, you know, I just wanted to put that out there that that's, that's, we didn't talk about that today, or not that we had it on our agenda but you know with Matt or the administration or in our updating of, of where we are with the budget. So with transportation and I meant to bring it up to Matt and then I forgot at the end maybe Adam you're on you could chime in the transportation language was that is at the end. Was there, is there a T bill that you're is this is a T bill within the budget, Adam or is there a separate T bill that is that will be presented. Adam are you there. Adam is calling me I think he. I'm guessing that Adam may have may not be here either. So maybe that's a question who's got what's Bob who has transportation so he's not here to ask. And he's just trying to jump back on. I'm going to try his link again I thought was here but he's not. And so, the transportation committee is going to look at the language at the end of the bill and provide a recommendation. And the $6 million, you know, we have to talk about setting a precedent, you know we just cleaned up the ed fund and kept the ed fund and general fund separately. If you remember when representative piece Lee was here, there was always concern about rating the transportation fund and we have separated that back out so that, you know that blend of fund is not happening and so, you know, do we want to set the precedent of start moving general fund to T funds or, or using T funds in the future for general funds or education funds and. And so we need to think about that carefully. What the governor is recommend to use that $6 million for. You know, that's 6 million. Those identified areas don't have to be the identified areas there can be project delays, there can be other ways to find the $6 million within the T fund and so conversations with the trans transportation committee. And it's not just the 6 million but somewhere else there's a line item of a little over a million for it at work at DMV. Pay attention to their proposing for it out of GF that right 1.2 is that usually paid for Mary with that typically be paid for who has DMV Diane or Bob. I did Kenny but I don't know if that was a capital bill thing but I think you're right. Yeah it projects. Those typically paid for from fees or T bill money and deal with typically from within their own funds. I mean, all they do is pass their profits if you will through to transportation, but not until after they've taken out their funds to do business now I've, I've seen them ask for money before and I think we've given them money before on major big projects, but. So you're going to do a deeper dig on that 1.2 million for the it project at DMV and how those should be funded. Any big concerns. BCF has a lot of moving pieces and Kimberly I think you have those pretty much under control it. I mean at least you know what your, your feed what feedback looking for that from the committee of jurisdiction. Yeah, I mean I think there's some things that were more controversial in the past, so to speak, that like the housing the emergency housing which is now I think moving forward in a more integrated way is kind of a silver lining of what we're doing with CRF funds being used for services in terms of setting the table. So that kind of coming together, I think is potentially a very positive story. I think there's a lot of pressure and others to that to that extent as we prepare for the public hearings this week. Some people have asked me about how what are they supposed to speak on or what are we looking at and, and correct me if I'm wrong but because we're looking at the whole budget the whole year. Everything we had before those public hearings all that documentation of what we heard is still on the table. I don't think they have to repeat themselves we have that unless unless some of those were were were were addressed with CRF money. Some of those some of the holes may have been addressed, you know, filling them in with expenses that were covered related. I would, and I would agree with you on that but like I think Kimberly had brought up it doesn't go beyond December so like the budget is different than, you know, you got money for PPE but that doesn't mean your base budgets. It's going to be right. Yeah. Thanks Chip. Chip, make sure you found out from the Department of Education or the Agency of Education. The COVID related expenses to open up schools. There was $50 million but that went for summer meals and it went to HVAC systems and we know the HVAC systems are going to be hugely expensive we have one in Daniel. So when you're thinking statewide the $50 million is going very fast when you when you think of what we identified already, but as schools open up and they need safe places for kids and transporting kids. Will you see if they have a new updated dollar what what our public schools need to be prepared for opening. I will. And my money that there's been a couple requests Kimberly you had a request that's still on the table because we're starting. Right. Because you'll hear much about this week in the media this year marks the 100th anniversary of the women's right to vote the 19th amendment. And there was a very extraordinary effort that had gone into putting together this alliance of all sorts of folks and it was done by the non partisan League of Women voters and they have delayed but are still requesting $20,000 in one time funding to go forward with parade and any festival and some other events that would take place in 2021. And so that is something that I would like to advocate for. And again, I think you'll, you'll learn a lot more about it this week because it'll be in the news. You'll bring us that information and chip you're following up on a computer breach at legal aid will bring more information to the table. Was that yours or Peters. No. Sorry, I was, I took myself off mute just to be able to say goodbye I've got a designated agency in like 30 seconds so I will see everyone next time we get together. And I think we're we're finished we just got, we have a lot of independence with our budgets. Dave. Katie. Yes, I did raise my hand I'm sorry. I get confused sometime. Am I unmuted. Yes, I hear you. Are we doing a separate. Are we doing a separate CRF bill. I'm not sure at this point Dave it looks like we're going to put out one large bill and whether the T bill you know all the transportation might blend in with it the CRF might blend in it. There may be an earlier CRF bill for things to be expedited to have to get out right away. And that it's looking like we may be doing one large bill. Which just fine. I just wanted to share for what it's worth. The, what I call the base budget, the governor's recommend. I didn't see anything in there that gave me great pause. I'm always concerned with things. But, but in the CRF section, the 133 million that I call is more commerce related or economic development. I have a number of different questions concerns in that area that that I need to, I will need some convincing on if I may word it that way. We just haven't got to that yet. I imagine we'll, we'll have somebody come in and with the committee of commerce and at the same time, somebody will walk us through that. Correct. So I just, I just wanted to, I just wanted to share with you. That's an area where I may have more, more questions. It will be a very similar process to what we did in June with CRF where the policy committees will be working on the policy and we will then go to those committees. And so some of you may be in and out of committees as as you're in the committee of jurisdiction to either work on the budget or to work on CRF. And so these are just recommendations from the administration and the legislature will will work off those recommendations and and find their own priorities. And so we'll really have three pieces working at once we'll have our typical budget pieces that we're working on, will be working on CRF adjustments and the remaining CRF dollars that must be appropriated so they're, they have to be spent by, you know, and, and really spend by December 30. And then there will be a small transportation bill that usually travels alone that will probably drop back into the budget. So there'll be those, those three pieces that should converge in the end and be one that looks like at this time it will be one bill. So you'll have one if I may just one more quick follow up if I make it. Are you imagining when we report the big bill. We'll do it the way we traditionally do and we'll, we'll do our sections or you imagining a different, a different truncated process. So really imagining a bill where we do all the CRF, all the budget and all the transportation pieces we would be there for hours. So I need to think about, I need to think about that because we need to get the information out and we haven't reported out a full bill we reported out a quarter year bill. So we need to, we need to think about how we do that because so much of it is boilerplate. And how do we get out the pertinent information, but have the whole budget, you know, available in time to everyone. So I don't, I think it's going to be more of a more pertinent information at this point on zoom it could be a four five hour presentation, if we did all three components together. Okay. You know, I don't know how many you know who would follow it the whole time but you know, we'll work on that presentation. So it's meaningful. Okay, I like your, your definition of our presentation. Okay, any other final thoughts will be in tomorrow morning at at nine o'clock. No, at 830 and we start tomorrow morning with agriculture. And, and then we will move on at 130 with a CCD. And Teresa, I don't know if Mike Marcot has finally gotten those emails or where they're going. Yeah, I sent him a new one this morning and he actually found the old one. Okay, oh good. And he sent it on to his committee to make sure they all saw. And then we do have VHCB coming in tomorrow. They, they have a lot of project updates to share with us and Dave we can discuss the 3% tomorrow while they're in committee. I'm meeting with Ted this afternoon. So, a Ted Brady. Yeah, so I'll get a forward. Yep. Okay, I think that's it the Joint Fiscal Committees meeting this afternoon so you I don't know if anyone wants to join in and pay and watch to see which CRF funds are granted they will be the emergency ones that that really can't wait for the legislative process. And other than that, things that need to come before the legislature, we will make sure that opportunity happens so that all voices get to weigh in. What time are they meeting? One o'clock. One o'clock. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I do enjoy watching only because like there's that whole other process for the CRF funds that tracking that committee's work is so helpful when it comes back to us. All right, thank you. I think that we, I think our, we're done. See you later. We're going off live now. Thank you.